Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 608: Healthy as a Person

Episode Date: December 27, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This episode of Cognitive Dissonance is brought to you by our patrons. You fucking rock. Be advised that this show is not for children, the faint of heart, or the easily offended. The explicit tag is there for a reason. Recording live from Glory Hole Studios in Chicago, this is Cognitive Dissonance. Every episode we blast anyone who gets in our way. We bring critical thinking, skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big, or makes us mad. It's skeptical, it's political, and there is no welcome at. This is episode 608. And Cecil? Merry Christmas.
Starting point is 00:01:07 Didn't Joe Manchin give America a gift? He gave a gift. What a gift. He's a sweet dude. You gotta love a Democrat who goes on Fox fucking news to announce that he is not gonna support like a fucking social safety nut infrastructure plan.
Starting point is 00:01:23 Fuck that guy. Fuck him forever. Fuck him in a burning tar pit infrastructure plan. Fuck that guy. Fuck him forever. Fuck him in a burning tar pit. I fucking hate that guy. That guy and, you know, then there's all the wafflers that are back and forth. It's not a bipartisan bill. It's just not.
Starting point is 00:01:37 It's going to be down party lines. He's got to be the guy to sign it. It's the only thing we can pass through is budgetary stuff because they'll filibuster anything else. So you can't even bring things up in the fucking house, in the Senate. You can't even start a conversation because the filibuster will block it. So the only thing you can do is this and he refuses to do it. And you know, this is a guy who has a Maserati. He's a, he's a wealthy man. He's a wealthy guy. He doesn't have to worry about this stuff, but this stuff could really change a lot of people's lives and could open up, you know, I think a lot of people's eyes to
Starting point is 00:02:16 the fact that good, a good government's social safety net can help them. Well, and like, I've read so much analysis over the last handful of days, and I keep coming back to this important piece. A fucking majority of Democrats that is 51 that has to include the vice president to show up and do tiebreaker bullshit. That is not enough. And I know that there, I've seen it already. I know that there is all these fucking left-wing fucking naysayers who are like, oh, the Democrats see they're fucking suck and they don't give you anything. They can't get done. Look, you need 55. You need 60. We need more of them. We need more voter turnout. We need a higher percentage because 50 is not enough. You have
Starting point is 00:03:01 one fucking dipshit motherfucker in West Virginia who has mad ties to the coal industry for his own millionaire. He makes his millions in the fucking coal industry. The union of coal workers came out this week and asked him to reconsider his stance. He's not going to because he personally makes so much fucking money out of coal. That's just like fucking whatever he says is what he says, who gives a shit. But that's the fucking truth of it. We need more Democrats.
Starting point is 00:03:31 The solution is not fucking the Democrats didn't deliver. Like, if anybody fucking writes in and tells me, I'll fucking kill them outright. It's not true. 49 Democrats are on board. Even cinema's on board. That shows just an ignorance of how government works. Right. It's just a very Even cinema's on board. That shows just an ignorance of how government works. Right.
Starting point is 00:03:49 It's just a very, what it is is it's a very limited stance. And it's also, in a lot of ways, a very privileged stance because if you don't vote Democrat next time, what is it going to hurt you? Chances are it's not going to hurt you if you're bitching about it now. It can really, really hurt other people.
Starting point is 00:04:07 Like there's people out there that are vulnerable communities that can be absolutely devastated if we, you know, I mean, we're talking about some things have a time limit on it that are, you know, climate change for one, it has a time limit on it that really needs to be moved on immediately.
Starting point is 00:04:22 You know, it needed to be moved on the moment Biden took office. But what's happening is, you know, if we start, if next, you know, in 2022, you see a whole new slew of Republicans getting into the Senate and the House, that's an outright freeze that you'll never see another bill passed, anything passed. No, no, nothing will get passed. And then when 2024 rolls around, they're going to blame the Democrat because he didn't get anything done. And then they're going to refresh with a brand new,
Starting point is 00:04:54 it'll be a Republican. Yeah. And then you're going to have four more years of a horror. And now we're in, now you're, you're, you're getting close to 2030. Yeah. It's done. It's done. Your, your, your, your life is over close to 2030. Yeah, it's done.
Starting point is 00:05:06 Your life is over at this point. The thing is like, fucking this up creates generational problems. Absolutely. It doesn't create problems that get fixed in two or four years. I mean,
Starting point is 00:05:18 we have eviscerated Roe v. Wade. We eviscerated Roe v. Wade because Donald Trump. Yeah. That's the only reason. I fucking guarantee that, and nobody's ever going to sell me otherwise, that if Hillary Clinton,
Starting point is 00:05:32 however much you might have hated her, no matter what your fucking feelings on her were, even if she never got a single thing accomplished for you that you want the left to accomplish for you, she would not have installed those fucking right-wing theocrat justices. And you can guess that when, so when she was coming in,
Starting point is 00:05:55 it was gonna be, it was 100% gonna be replacing Scalia's seat, which would flip the court the other side. Right. It would have been a 5-4 Democrat side. And then Ginsburg dies. Right. And it would have been, 5-4 democrat side and then ginsburg dies right and it would have been you know and ginsburg probably would have stepped down beforehand i mean i imagine so the the you cannot pretend everything's the same every nothing every
Starting point is 00:06:15 fuck you fuck that fuck that forever joe manchin fucking is working on and maybe has torpedoed one of the most important pieces of legislation that we have even ever seen show up in our lifetime. I've never seen legislation in my lifetime even approach getting this close to the finish line, that this guy is going to single handedly torpedo it. The lesson we should take from that is we need more Democrats so that one guy can't fuck us all over because he's a bullshit Democrat. Yeah, that's the lesson. Any other lesson is the wrong message, because if we didn't have to rely on Joe Manchin, we would have this already. And then we would have permanent child tax credits. We would have things like, you know, government subsidized child care. We'd have things like government subsidized childcare.
Starting point is 00:07:06 We'd have pre-K for kids. This gives women so many more opportunities, right? This creates economic equality and opportunity for women. We would have all kinds of shit we aren't going to get. We're just not going to get. Caps on the fucking cost of insulin. We're just not going to get it because one guy, the lesson can't be the Democrats as a group are shit. Yeah. It's we need more of them so that if you've got one shitty one,
Starting point is 00:07:31 you're not fucking handcuffed by the motherfucker. Exactly. Makes me nuts, bro. Makes me nuts. Did you see this story today, Tom? The story that Candace Owens was interviewing Trump.
Starting point is 00:07:43 No. And while she was interviewing him, he came right out and said, no, you should get the vaccine. My administration was the one that put it through. We were the ones who did this and you should be the ones going out and getting the vaccine and get boosted.
Starting point is 00:07:58 And then she started to push back because she's been pretty anti-vax. And he was like, no, that's not true should, no, that's, that's not true. Like he literally like, there's a story. Let me, let me call it up. What is happening?
Starting point is 00:08:09 I don't even know what's happening anymore. It's amazing. And this is from the New York Post, right? So this is, you could tell it's a slanted joke from the right. And,
Starting point is 00:08:17 and she, he says in here, I already read a line. I had to read ahead. I came up with three. I came up. That's what he came. But he walked that back on a different show, but he did say that. He's like, I came up with three vaccines. You know what I thought? Yeah. I thought MRNA. That's what I thought. But, but
Starting point is 00:08:36 she even comes, she tries to push back too. Cause she's saying, well, more people have been vaccinated this year and we've had more deaths this year than we've ever had before. And you're like, yeah, well, you know, we also didn't get the most of the population vaccinated until, you know, we didn't start pushing up into the fifties until the middle of the year. So to say something like that is stupid, right? That's a dumb thing to say.
Starting point is 00:08:59 Also, we didn't have Delta. Right, that's another thing too, that is a huge deal and a very big deal for people who aren't vaccinated. Right. But he, he came out and said it on Bill O'Reilly too. Basically the people in hospitals are the ones, the ones that are dying, the ones that aren't vaccinated. He's been, he's been on this push. Why couldn't he have done that the whole time? Why couldn't he have done that when he was? It's insane to me that he's doing that now, but it is, but it's at least good. But what's interesting is,
Starting point is 00:09:25 is there's all these pushes now of the, of the right wing crazy train trying to make sense of the, the previous president saying these things, because to them, that's just, that's nutty. It's nutty because they are, they're all on the a hundred percent anti-vax train.
Starting point is 00:09:43 And so there's a really weird, and it's just starting to emerge, but a bunch of people came out and sort of decried what he said. So I have no idea what's going to happen now. Well, I have been wondering that, and I've been wondering about this for a while, that the MAGA movement will slip out of Trump's grasp, right?
Starting point is 00:10:01 And this is part of what's already kind of happening. The QAnon shit slipped out of Q's grasp, right? And this is part of what's already kind of happening. The QAnon shit slipped out of Q's grasp, right? So Q hasn't posted shit in a long time and it doesn't matter anymore. Once the fucking dogs of war have been set loose, like shit just goes chaotic, man. And I think that this fucking MAGA style, ultra right wing, ultra nationalist, ultra white wing politics
Starting point is 00:10:29 has taken on a, like, yeah, would they like a leader or a figurehead like Trump? Sure. But is he ultimately disposable to the cause? Of fucking course he is. Yeah, he was disposable. And what's crazy to me is like how quickly these things devolve, right? So how quickly QAnon devolves because there is nothing there to lead them that suddenly there's crazy amounts of infighting. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just see like one of the best things that ever happened was Trump being taken off Twitter.
Starting point is 00:11:06 Trump being taken off social media, you know, as bad as the January 6th thing was, that was the catalyst that removed him from all those things. Right. And so, you know, we see this conspiracy stuff pouring out now and there's no real figurehead, no one there to sort of lead them
Starting point is 00:11:23 and no one there to take their cues from. And so now it's just all these sort of desperate money grabbers and crazy people who are all trying to either cash in or just cash in on fame in some way. What I wanted to like, because the original, because the whole original movement,
Starting point is 00:11:42 whether it was Q or whether it was Trump or a combination of the two, it never had a sound foundation. No, no. And because it didn't have a sound foundation, it doesn't matter, right? So you can remove Q, you can remove Trump. The point is the energy in the system. You know what I mean? Yeah, sure. So the direction, so if the energy in the system is always sort of like, I don't know, bounded by reason, bounded by these sort of principles of non-hypocrisy, bounded by scientific realities.
Starting point is 00:12:14 Bounded by a fact, a singular fact. Then they can't slip past those edges. But the moment, and I fucking, like, I felt it. I knew the fucking world was over the minute fucking sean spicer or whoever the fuck it was was like blah blah blah alternative facts the woman who said that it was uh kelly conway said it she said you know alternative facts and he he had said they they had argued back and forth about well he's like you guys have your facts we have ours and you're just like, holy shit.
Starting point is 00:12:46 That's not what a fact is. And as soon as that energy is no longer bound by reason, then it has no, you can't constrain it anymore. But it's my hope that just like you see little hotspots of disease, it's my hope it burns itself out. Because I think if there's enough infighting and enough fighting back and forth. Well, there's a lot of that. Yeah. They won't know who to believe because now they're not believing each other. Well, that's true. It could just break in a little faction and they'll be useless, right? Because then there's going to be several that
Starting point is 00:13:18 think Trump is a plant and they won't vote for him again. And then there's going to be some that think he's the Messiah and they'll, they'll be, but they won't be, they won't be all in lockstep, which is good because if they're all little tiny groups, then they can be dismissed easier. I'm going to say something crazy and controversial. I want Trump to run in 2024. Yeah. I want that. I do. Yeah. I think he can't win. I think he cannot motivate the same base he motivated. He's a fucking loser now. Yeah. I think he can't win. I think he cannot motivate the same base he motivated. He's a fucking loser now. Yeah. He'll have four years of being a loser.
Starting point is 00:13:50 Well, I mean, 800,000 people died. Yeah. And some of those people might be, I would say a lot of them were his supporters. And then all the infighting that you were just talking about, those people are all spun off to the side. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:01 Plus he galvanizes the left against him. Yeah. I want that motherfucker to run again. I think he would lose bad. He might. And I think we need another shot at this. Yeah. We are burning up the runway, right?
Starting point is 00:14:15 The runway leads all the way up to 2022, but not really. It leads up to like, kind of kissing the fucking edge of 2022. And then election time and all. So, we really got through the summer. If we don't get our shit done through the summer, kissing the fucking edge of 2022 and then election time and all. So you got, you got, we really got through the summer.
Starting point is 00:14:27 If we don't get our shit done through the summer, it doesn't happen. Yeah. And then we're going to lose a bunch of shit in the midterms because gerrymandering and just that's the way the polls show.
Starting point is 00:14:36 If they don't, if they don't pass a voting rights bill or something through there. I know. It's all fucked. But how do you get it through? How do you even, I mean,
Starting point is 00:14:43 you can start it in the, in the house, but they won't even hear it in the senate i know well they won't yet they i don't know if there's any other they i did read something that said that they might make a rule change that would allow them to bring the voting rights bill to the senate on a on a majority vote. Wow. Just like budgetary items. Yeah, wow. So, but fuck, man. Like, I don't know if that's going to work. I don't know if like Sinema's going to back that. I don't know if Manchin
Starting point is 00:15:13 will back that filibuster change. Because those guys are traitors, man. That's why McConnell this week was like, hey, man. He called Manchin. He said, hey, like you'd make a better Republican than a Democrat. You'd be welcome over here. Yeah. And he's right, dude. He already is. He's fucking right. He said, hey, like, you'd make a better Republican than a Democrat. You'd be welcome over here. Yeah. And he's right, dude.
Starting point is 00:15:26 He already is. He's fucking right. He already is. What are you doing? They say that the Chinese were the first to experiment with electroshock to the testicles. Oh, no. Not Santa's balls. So, Cecil, I grabbed a couple of stories this week on purpose because I thought that they were QAnon-related Christmas presents,
Starting point is 00:15:54 something I was thinking of calling Quistmas presents. Quistmest? Quistmest? That's so bad. This story comes from Yahoo. Weirdly, from Yahoo Finance. Yeah. I don't know why because categorizing things is weird now far right group fantasizes that they've been attacked with anthrax
Starting point is 00:16:13 so and i'm just gonna read part of this at the very end because the end of this article is fucking solid gold my favorite book is the comment from lindell which we'll get to later. This is amazing. So there was a great big fucking idiot rally that featured all the people you would think, right? So it's like Eric Trump and Mike Lindell and Michael Flynn. Yeah. Yeah. Insane, right? These are people. These are big names.
Starting point is 00:16:39 These are big names. If you could get the pillow guy, you're crushing it. I mean, Eric Trump, whatever. Are you the pillow guy? Is he like, okay, so let's play a reverse version, Cecil, of the game. You know that game, who would you most like to have dinner with? Sure. Who would you least like to have dinner with?
Starting point is 00:16:58 The fucking MyPillow guy is up there. Yeah, he's really high up there. Really up there. Really high up there. I would rather eat dinner with a fucking cannibal. I'd rather be the dinner than hang
Starting point is 00:17:11 out with the MyPillow guy. Yeah. Yeah. I'd rather eat dinner with like one of those people that they have to lock up in solitary confinement because they bite and fight their roommate or whatever. I would rather have dinner with that person.
Starting point is 00:17:30 Like Hannibal Lecter. I would rather have dinner with Andrew Zimmern and eat what he's eating. And be forced to eat what he's eating. Just like bugs and balls. Just bugs and balls. Yeah. And the other guy there would be Anthony Bourdain rotting.
Starting point is 00:17:44 It would be even better.ain rotting at the table. It would be even better. Better dinner guests. But holy shit. So this is not like a little thing, right? This is like a big name rally. And then, you know, it turns out that in 2021, when you gather a bunch of fucking people together, and there are a bunch of fucking chanting, yelling, maskless, unvaccinated dipshits, disease spreads.
Starting point is 00:18:04 What kind of disease though tom well i fucking almost certainly goddamn covid season i think it's anthrax it's almost definitely a million percent not anthrax i don't even think they played any songs by anthrax i don't even know a song by anthrax actually i do one song there was one song that was popular but i can't remember what it was i was actually hoping you wouldn't call me out on that because i don't know a single song by anthrax there's one popular song but i can't remember what it was i just don't know time i don't know and i don't care enough to know you shouldn't know yeah all i know about anthrax the band is that they are every bit as likely to attack these fucking dipshits as anthrax the bio They're like headbanging and like smacking them down in the face with their hair.
Starting point is 00:18:46 I love the fucking sense of grandiose self-importance that is present in these numbskulls that they think like, yeah, I got attacked by a bio weapon. I'm a bio weapon target. So like your enemies are sophisticated enough to have bio weapons, but none of you died and only a few of you got sick.
Starting point is 00:19:09 And so they're unsophisticated enough to deliver those bioweapons either. And mass they're incompetent bioweapon deliverers. Like you, it's just, it's just delightfully QAnon, right? Because it's, it's so batshit.
Starting point is 00:19:23 And then they were like, yeah, I think they, they sent them out of the batshit. And then they were like, yeah, I think they sent them out of the smoke machines. It was out of the smoke machines. They put it in the
Starting point is 00:19:29 fog machine or whatever was what it came out of. But you know, it's one of those things though that we can know. Like this is a thing
Starting point is 00:19:36 you can know. Super knowable. You can know. There's spores, man. You can know whether or not there was anthrax somewhere. There's a way to
Starting point is 00:19:43 know that and there's a way to know whether or not you've been infected with anthrax. There's ways to know that. And if both of those things come back negative, you have to concede that you were wrong or you have to be part of QAnon. Those are your two options.
Starting point is 00:19:57 Because these guys all test negative for anthrax, but they are still 100% certain that they were attacked probably with anthrax. Probably with anthrax. Probably with anthrax. My favorite line is from this. I can't, I have to read it.
Starting point is 00:20:10 I know where you're going, man. It's my favorite line. It's, it's Lindell. It's at the bottom here. This is my favorite part. Lindell emphasized that he did not feel ill following the event.
Starting point is 00:20:20 He spoke on the main stage one day, quote, I don't have anything. I'm healthy as a person. And that is the most truthful thing. Mike Lindell, Lindell, whatever, Liddell, Lindell has ever said. The fuck analogy is I'm healthy as a person. I'm healthy as a person.
Starting point is 00:20:40 Either people are not you. I'm healthy as a person. either people are not you. How does that analogy even work? It's amazing. Also like what a weird thing to be like, that implies people are healthy in the middle of a global pandemic. It literally makes no sense. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:59 It's amazing. Yeah. What a bizarro thing to say. So great. But it is, but it is one of those things where there's all these people now fighting back and forth about whether or not they were infected by this stuff. And there's nobody there to sort of have a sort of a reality check because reality is fucking gone. So there's no reality check.
Starting point is 00:21:22 And so now they just get to tune each other up and tune themselves up to the point where they're just like they don't know what to do. And so now they're just making things up. I mean, they're literally just making things up. I've got to read some quotes from the event organizer who's just an event organizer, right? So there's like a guy who
Starting point is 00:21:39 plans events. He's got nothing to do with QAnon. He's just a guy who has a stage and he plans events. He would plan an to do with QAnon. He's just a guy who has a stage and he plans events. He would plan an event for like the band Anthrax or this fucking Looney Tunes QAnon thing. So this is this guy named Clark. He says, if you go to an NBA game or NFL game, there's going to be fog. People are calling me every day saying, are you part of the Illuminati? And I go, what? Clark insisted to the Daily Beast on Wednesday afternoon, there was not anthrax through the fog machines. He noted if there was anthrax, quote,
Starting point is 00:22:09 one, I think we'd all be dead, you know? I just love this guy. Before noting that the church that hosted the event uses, quote, fog for a lot of different special effects. Clark asked those pushing the anthrax rumors to show the dead bodies are physical evidence of such an attack. And he says, there's no anthrax at the event and we have sniffing dogs they bring in dogs a hired security firm to sniff and look for you know these are well-trained dogs look for
Starting point is 00:22:34 any potential bio weapons and drugs then like lindell is like ass and he gets all confused at the bottom of the article clark again gets quoted because now Clark is getting shit, right? He's this guy who organized it. And then the fucking Q people are like attacking him. He says, all I know is that we've done seven events of these so far. And at each event, people have claimed they've been attacked by a bioweapon. This is actually normal for me. He further suggested he may ban people like Clemens, who allegedly originated the anthrax claim from future events.
Starting point is 00:23:04 Quote, as a general rule, if anyone claims you're you're illuminati i don't know if you invite him back as a speaker right in addition to tying clark to alleged anthrax raining down on attendees clements claimed the reawaken america organizer might be involved in child sex trafficking a claim that echoes a core tenant of the bonkers q anon conspiracy theory. He says, quote, I'm a father of five. I'm definitely not involved in a sex cult. End quote. Unless that involves having sex with my wife. I fucking love this guy.
Starting point is 00:23:34 This guy is fucking comedy gold. What is so crazy to me is there's, he's just some dude. Yeah. Who's like, yeah, man, I need this many chairs. I need to have a PA system and there needs to be a stage. Right. And people are like, no, man, there is anthrax there. And he
Starting point is 00:23:53 says, you're crazy. There was no anthrax. And then they come. And then they even like, you're part of the Illuminati and part of his sex cult. These people are absolutely unhinged. They are. And they'll turn on anyone they turn on them they're a fucking aura boris man they're just nom nom nom eating my own tail it's crazy and this story this other story about i saw this kind of all over this is now the family says like
Starting point is 00:24:17 this is important to read the sort of the headline that the family says that this is what's happening right but it's multiple members of the family are all claiming that this woman that is part of this q anon thing that's going on in dallas is like fucking drinking bleach and other things and they go to great lengths too which i love to mention that donald trump said we should use bleach in the human body to beat covid which i absolutely love that they quote the entire piece that he, but, but these are people who, you know, there is some, some part of me that knows for sure that there are heads of QAnon that are, they don't believe it, that they, they, they are 100% grift. They're in for the grift. They don't give a shit. They don't care about any of that stuff. We know Alex Jones is like QAnon adjacent,
Starting point is 00:25:06 but not QAnon, right? He believes a lot of the same stuff, but he doesn't like QAnon because he can't control it. So he doesn't like it. Exactly right. And, but the people who can, or at least have some part of it,
Starting point is 00:25:17 I think there are some grifters in there that recognize that it's just bullshit. They don't care about it. But there are some people who really believe it. Dude, they believe so hard. They believe super hard. And this woman's like drinking like industrial cleaner and shit. This is the same like... According to your family, right?
Starting point is 00:25:31 Right. And the thing is, I believe it because this is the same like miracle mineral solution nonsense. It's industrial bleach that they gave. They were like, oh, it's a cure for autism. You remember when they were like touting this shit as a cure for autism. You remember when they were touting this shit as a cure for autism and fucking forcing kids to drink it and have enemas of it and shit?
Starting point is 00:25:49 And that's the thing about a lot of these is that you find that they do, they have to believe part of it because they wouldn't be doing it if they were just grifting. Right. You wouldn't be telling people to do this if they were just grifting. Right. You wouldn't be doing, you wouldn't be telling people to do this if they were just grifting. If it's harmful, then the grift is secondary. You really do
Starting point is 00:26:11 believe that this is doing something. Oh, absolutely. I think the people drinking bleach and saying you should all, because there's no money being made fucking selling bleach, right? They're not like, and these guys seem to be doing it themselves but the fucking q people are drinking fucking bleach and i'm just like of course you are
Starting point is 00:26:31 when i was i would when i was in seventh grade my english teacher was a guy named mr zubrow and mr zubrow would teach us different like he was like diagramming sentences and like showing you like this the subject and the predicate and, you know, different parts of speech. And he always wrote the same kinds of sentences. It would be like, this is Tom. Tom drinks bleach.
Starting point is 00:26:54 Tom drinks bleach and is now dead. And then, but it was always these funny stories about stupid fucking people drinking bleach because it was funny to a seventh grader yeah that you shouldn't drink fucking bleach right here we are in 2021 and grown-ups are like clorox me well there's so many there's so many different time there's so many different types of other things that aren't bleach but make people delay treatment so they'll they'll do things like you know what's if we're talking about alt-med there's all those people who don't drink tinctures of all
Starting point is 00:27:31 kinds of weird shit like walnut oil or whatever on that that colloidal silver oh yeah and there's turn themselves blue there's some stuff though that's just harmless right but the harm is that it takes them a long time to realize it's not working and then they just forego treatment during that time and that could be time that they could have saved themselves if they would have started real genuine medical treatment but instead they've they've gone on this you know this tour of wellness and they've fucked themselves. Do they Steve Jobs themselves? Like, yeah, you got cancer. Well, maybe I didn't eat enough vegetables. I need to eat a lemon rind or whatever.
Starting point is 00:28:10 Right. Yeah. All right. Well, now you died of cancer. Yeah. No, it's a, but it's this type of thing. This, this is, this is very common where the toxic chemicals are common, right? Those, those are common.
Starting point is 00:28:23 Different types of toxic chemicals all throughout. The colloidal silver is a perfect example. Turning yourself blue. That colloidal silver stuff, that's that silver solution that fucking, that fucking baker's selling right now. I mean, he's selling it right now. It's a useless, unless you want to be a Smurf,
Starting point is 00:28:41 there's no other use for it. None whatsoever. Unless you're cosplaying a Smurf. That's the only thing you can do. He would be be a Smurf, there's no other use for it. None whatsoever. Unless you're cosplaying a Smurf. That's the only thing you can do. He would be like Papa Smurf because his beard would still be white. He would look really fun blue. And he'd be blue. He would look fun blue.
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Starting point is 00:29:47 and was inert and useless if you were just in it for the grift. But these people aren't just in it for the grift. They really think that they're trying to protect people from 5G with radioactive shit. All right, good news is you have terrible cell phone reception.
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Starting point is 00:30:20 We can see you. Holy shit. Like these fucking people are like radium girls in themselves. No kidding. Right. You know these fucking people are like radium girls in themselves. No kidding. Right. You know, in order to like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:27 In order to avoid hilariously 5g radiation. Yeah. They are worried about 5g wavelengths doing unpleasant things. Like they are worried about invisible forces. They don't understand. And to ward them off, they are using invisible forces. They also do not understand.
Starting point is 00:30:46 We know, already know our harm. Right. We already know the other ones aren't. We know that 5G, in fact, is even better than the previous generations because it's a, I don't know if shorter or longer, I'm not sure which,
Starting point is 00:30:59 but I remember reading that it essentially, it's a faster technology, so the wavelength is different but it's not it doesn't penetrate into brick or any of the like walls and that's why it's hard to to have like for example at the at the old studio yeah we had an opportunity to go fully wireless 5g like like wireless internet but it was on the other side of the building. We couldn't get it on our side of the building because the 5G transmitter was on the, it was on the south side.
Starting point is 00:31:30 And that's the point right after. We were on the north side and we could not get it because we were on the opposite side of the building. I mean, that tells you that it's a better service than other things that can travel and go through brick and other places. They don't even recognize that.
Starting point is 00:31:46 No, they have no idea. They think 5G is, first of all, you don't even understand that 5G just means the fifth generation of a technology. They don't know what any of it is. If you ask them how a fucking cell phone works, they have no fucking idea.
Starting point is 00:32:01 But they're using fucking magic talismans made of fucking Marie Curie's fucking rotting bones or whatever. Like, the fuck is wrong with these people? It's like a radium paintbrush in there. You know, there was a time, Cecil, where it could be forgiven, right? Where, you know, there was a time where we didn't know much about radiation and how things worked.
Starting point is 00:32:24 And like, I remember reading stories about you used to be able to go to the the shoe store and get a put your biscuit under the thing and like wiggle your toes around and watch it and like put your shoe on and see how your your foot fit in the shoe and it was like really cool and all those people can absolutely be forgiven for the damage that they've done right because we didn't understand and the mechanism to understand wasn't available and the research wasn't available sure but now it is yeah it's like fucking common knowledge yeah the fuck don't get irradiated it's bad for you here's your chernobyl necklace right it's part of the elephant foot you get the wear on your neck i mean i believe that christmas it's it's it's almost proven that will uh...
Starting point is 00:33:06 christmas has uh... nuclear weapons can be a imminent threat to this country that uh... they have operated ties with terrorists and i believe that we should sacrifice thousands of american lives uh... in pursuit of this war on christmas and uh... hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money. But I'd like to get back to the operational ties between Santa Claus and Al-Qaeda.
Starting point is 00:33:30 I don't think that exists, Bob. Well, we have intelligence. We have intelligence. You have intel. And where exactly does your intel come from? Well, we have tortured an elf. I love this story. This story made me so happy to read this from WTRF.com.
Starting point is 00:33:53 I love this story. This story made me so happy to read this from WTRF.com. U.S. military has granted zero religious exemptions for COVID vaccines. And I want to read a part of it because they're really doing this, I think, right. explain a complicated process that may well be futile. They also must assess requests from those who may be using religion as an excuse to avoid a vaccine that, while credited with preventing needless deaths, has become politically charged. So many of them come in thinking, if I make the decision and if they make this case that it's a done deal, said this army chaplain with the National Guard, I don't make that decision. And so when they find out, it's kind of a game changer in the sense that they know that the process has to continue. And there's another part of it. Further down in the article, Sutter and Colonel Larry Bazar, Deputy Director of the National Guard's Joint Chaplain Office, said they tell their chaplains to be impartial as they speak with service members
Starting point is 00:34:38 and to follow the process. Meet the member where they are. Let them articulate who they are, how they believe, and how they live out that faith. We're just looking for their articulation or their deeply held beliefs. You're looking for a consistency in how they adhere to those beliefs. And I read that and I thought, that's why you have zero exemptions. Yeah. Because there's nothing in any major religion or minor religion that I've ever seen that mentions vaccines. Sure. Because they had no idea that they were a thing when all these religious texts were written. Right. And so had no idea that they were a thing when all these religious texts were written. Right.
Starting point is 00:35:07 And so there's just not a, there's not anything that they can, they can fall back on, you know, in the scripture that says, this is, this is a fucking, this is my deeply held belief.
Starting point is 00:35:18 And we saw this happen. It's interesting because there's people now using this to try to get out of service with the National Guard. But we saw that there was several people across the country that talked real big and there was a study that came out that said people talk really big,
Starting point is 00:35:33 but when the rubber hits the road and they finally get called on, they have to go get it. Then they do go get it. Something like, it was under a hundred police officers in New York or something like that out of like thousands of police officers under a hundred quit the force because of it. And you're like, okay, well under a hundred. All right. Well,
Starting point is 00:35:56 military is the same thing. It's like one and a half percent, I think is the number that they're looking at about one and a half percent of people are seeking these exemptions and they're, they're not getting them. And if they don't get them, they get kicked the fuck out. Either they get kicked out. And they lose a lot of benefits. Either they get kicked out or they get the shot. Those are your two options. If they choose totally just like, I'm not doing it, you get booted the fuck out of the military and then you lose like your GI bill and other major benefits. It's like, fuck you.
Starting point is 00:36:22 And you essentially, I mean, you essentially wasted all that time because they don't pay those people very well. Right. You know, it's not like, you know, that's a lot of money that they live off of. They don't get a lot of money when they're doing that stuff. So the benefits are why you do it. Right. And suddenly you did it for that long. You're like, well, fuck. That's a fucking evaporator. Yeah. The thing is like when you sign up for the military, you sign up to, like, you sign away your options. You sign away your choices. And, like, vaccines are a big part of that. They test vaccines for all kinds of stuff on service members. They always have. That's just part of how that game, like, you sign up to, like, do dangerous things. Yeah, You sign up to get shot at. Right. You sign up to go on like possibly get fucking IED'd.
Starting point is 00:37:07 Right. So I like, I'm absolutely just fucking baffled at how this is the line in the sand for somebody who joined. You know, here's the thing. I will charge a machine gun turret. Yeah, we're kidding, right? But I will not. I'm afraid. I got a little weird about needles.
Starting point is 00:37:24 I don't want a needle. Like really? Yeah. I will jump out of an airplane with a gun in my hand and hope for the best. Yeah. But I don't want to get a vaccine that 7 billion doses have been given out. Right. Right.
Starting point is 00:37:37 It's crazy to me that there's still this much fight in the population, too. When you see time after time after time, all the people that are not, you know, the people that aren't going to the hospital, those are the people with vaccinations. If they, if they do wind up in the hospital,
Starting point is 00:37:52 they're not the ones that are dying. Nope. And if, if that, I mean that, that data is just there and it's been talked about. It's not like it's not talked about. It's talked about all the time.
Starting point is 00:38:02 I don't know how that doesn't move people. Saturday night, regular night. You're all wrong, I am right. If she was a virgin, there wasn't a child. That kind of story is simply too wild. This story comes from Human Rights Watch. Saudi Arabia. Yemeni man
Starting point is 00:38:31 sentenced for apostasy. This is an interesting story. This guy tweeted some stuff. He thought it was an anonymous Twitter. They tracked it down and figured out it's not anonymous anymore.
Starting point is 00:38:42 He tweeted some stuff, apostate stuff stuff and originally they wanted to kill him yeah that was the original yeah they wanted decisions like we'll fucking kill him yeah and then it got knocked out of one fake fucking religious kangaroo court and into a different religious kangaroo court of nonsense and now it's only 15 fucking 15 years for tweeting something that challenges Islamic faith. Yeah. I mean, don't say anything bad about Saudi Arabia. They'll turn you into hamburger though. I don't know if you know that. Fucking hell, man. They'll fucking grind you alive or whatever they did to Jamal Khashoggi. So, I mean, this is a brutal regime and this regime
Starting point is 00:39:23 takes it out on atheists. They take it out on people who don't think like them. They take it out on women too. They take it out on all kinds of, they take it out, you know, it's a brutal regime. It's just brutal. It's just an awful, brutal regime that, you know, that we somehow are okay with.
Starting point is 00:39:37 And I don't understand why, you know, they make these, and Human Rights Watch calls them out on it. They make these bullshit overtures toward progressive, toward moving toward more progressive values. And at the same time, they pull this kind of bullshit where essentially a thought crime. And that's your personal beliefs are just your thoughts.
Starting point is 00:39:56 They don't fucking hurt anybody. 15 years for even for blasphemy. You know, 15 years for that. That's outrageous. It's insane. And I don't know, man, like. And I genuinely don't know this, but I don't suspect that the conditions in a Saudi Arabian prison are very good.
Starting point is 00:40:12 And I wonder how many people make it 15 years. There are a lot of prisons where 15 years is a death sentence. Yeah, no, it's absolutely disgusting. And they're putting this guy for doing a couple of anonymous tweets. The thing is, is like,
Starting point is 00:40:26 who the fuck listens to an anonymous Twitter account? I know! Like, somehow, that anonymous Twitter has some sort of sway on the,
Starting point is 00:40:36 like, who gives a shit? But that's enough to put somebody behind bars in their country for 15 years. The, almost kill him. I mean, let's be honest, years. Almost kill him.
Starting point is 00:40:45 I mean, let's be honest. They were going to kill him. They were going to fucking murder this man for fucking, nobody should be murdered for Twitter. You know what I mean? Like of all the things that aren't fucking worth a human life, fucking Twitter isn't worth a human life. And how fragile is your own belief?
Starting point is 00:41:00 Yes. That you're so worried about someone else not believing it. Well, this is, I was reading something interesting about like why apostasy is such a big deal in Islamic faith tradition. And I mean, some of what I read posits that it comes down to a complete control over the populace. So if their entire law and all of their organizational and fundamental structure
Starting point is 00:41:29 is based on Islamic law, and then you say, I don't believe in that. You aren't just saying, I don't believe. You're saying, I'm throwing away your entire culture. I am saying,
Starting point is 00:41:39 I'm throwing away your legal system. I'm throwing away your governmental system. If it's that intertwined with how they're going to punish you, then you then you got a point right you know what i mean you got a point because it's it's intertwined they have they have specific people that go out these witch patrols and whatever yeah you know i mean like morality cops they have they have islamic police they have people who who do like they, they charge people with this sort of thing. And then they get,
Starting point is 00:42:07 like you say, go to some rando court where they get, first get told they're going to die. Fuck. And then they go to appeals and like, nah, it's just 15 years of your life when you're 40. So 15 years.
Starting point is 00:42:18 That's the rest of it or most of it. Anyway. My dear Holmes, as the first atheist mayor, I am shutting down the church. But it's Christmas. Well, you should have thought of that to your homes. As the first atheist mayor, I am shutting down the church. But it's Christmas. Well, you should have thought of that when I campaigned as the first atheist mayor. Can we at least hear the Christmas chimes?
Starting point is 00:42:34 No. In fact, I removed the chimey thingy that makes the chimey noise. So you're screwed. Oh, and vote for me in November. This story comes from the Boston Globe, and I saw this a couple other places as well. Democrats should apply Supreme Court's abortion decision to firearms. And what it's referring to is a California initiative that would allow any Californian to sue anyone
Starting point is 00:42:55 who manufactures, distributes, or sells an assault weapon or ghost gun kit or parts and recover unlimited damages. I have complicated thoughts on this, man. I don't think it's going to work. No? No, well, because like Roe v. Wade is a decision, right? So that's like a decision by the court, but like Second Amendment's like an amendment, man.
Starting point is 00:43:19 Like I feel like you're going to run into some problems. It's going to go to the maiden thing and they're just going to be like, do you see the board? It's on the board. It's like right there on the board. It's the second one on the board. And we have already decided
Starting point is 00:43:36 that that definition of the second amendment means what we have right now. It's what we have right now. It's what we have right now, and we've already made that decision. That is clear law. Look no further than our own state when we decided to try to do some sorts of gun laws here in our state that got overturned by the Supreme Court.
Starting point is 00:44:02 The handgun ban in Chicago was lifted. It's so funny because it's still the talking point on the right, because they're so stupid, they don't even realize that they won, that it's like literally- I know. But that handgun ban, that's been lifted. So, you used to have to have a permit in Chicago
Starting point is 00:44:20 to have a handgun, a specific Chicago permit to have a handgun. And for years when I lived there, I didn't own a handgun. I was like, well, I won't own one then. Why would I do that? Because I'm not going to bother. And then when the concealed carry laws came in,
Starting point is 00:44:34 they blew that up. Essentially, you can't ask somebody to do that. And so the laws that we have are the laws that we have. And if you did do something like this, I think immediately they would just be like, especially this court would just tap the sign. Just annoyingly tap the sign. I don't think this,
Starting point is 00:44:52 I don't think anything's going to come of it either. And I think anything's going to come of it. I think you make a great point about the amendment. I didn't even think about that. But I also think that the courts are going to purposely skirt, and I don't know this, but I mean, they keep doing it.
Starting point is 00:45:05 I think they're going to purposely skirt the legality of the structural element of the law in Texas, right? So the structural element at play that California is trying to say, if you allow this, you must allow that. If the courts don't explicitly rule on that structural element around like vigilanteism. Yeah, I guess I didn't consider that. Then they won't perceive a precedential problem in having conflict there, right? I so strongly disagree with the Texas structure that creates vigilantes that I don't like using it. I mean, I understand using it to make a point, but I don't like using it on sort of my side of the issue, too. Sure. It's two wrongs making a right.
Starting point is 00:46:01 Yeah. Two wrongs making a right. Yeah, and I don't, so if the goal is to force the issue to make the Supreme Court examine the structural element of that law, then I support forcing their hand to look at the structural element. I think guns, you make a great point
Starting point is 00:46:15 that they could just dismiss this on the amendment issue and never address the structural piece. And I was trying to think of an analog. Like if you want to get the structural piece looked into, what's the analog on the right that you could bring that could be something like this? And I couldn't think of anything. I can't think of anything either. So if
Starting point is 00:46:33 somebody out there knows of something and can think of something, send it to us because I'd be interested to know what thing could you use? I don't agree with you. I agree with you in the sense that I wouldn't want to use this system anyway because I think it's giving some sort of kudos to this system where it doesn't deserve.
Starting point is 00:46:51 It's a shitty, terrible idea. It's weaponizing our civil courts to essentially ban or nearly outright ban abortion. Right. And it'll tie up courts. It sounds terrible. It sounds like a horror. But I'd be curious to know
Starting point is 00:47:12 if anybody thinks that there's a thing out there, something out there, that you could then do the exact same thing. And the way that abortion, that abortion Texas law works is that you can't sue the actual person getting the abortion. You sue the people who facilitate that abortion Texas law works is that you can't sue the actual person getting the abortion. You sue the people
Starting point is 00:47:27 who facilitate that abortion. Right. So you sue the care providers. You could even sue someone who drives them like an Uber driver to get an abortion. So anybody who helps facilitate
Starting point is 00:47:40 that abortion is fair game. The person getting it is not. So that's the thing is that we can look at what is it that you is fair game. The person getting it is not. So that's the thing is that we can look at what is it that you can look at? It's not guns. I don't feel like it's guns, but there's got to be something else that they love that you could feasibly fuck with, but I don't know. And I would like to see that. I don't know. It's got to be something that the left likes and the right hates. It's got to be a wedge issue. It's got to be something that the left likes and the right hates. It's got to be a wedge issue. It's got to be something that has that structural element
Starting point is 00:48:08 that isn't protected by an amendment. Guns and abortion are the only two though. I mean, like, and that's why they immediately went to guns. I know. Because that's the only other wedge issue. Those two major wedge issues keep much of the country voting Republican time and time and time again,
Starting point is 00:48:25 even in the face of, because they're both freedom issues. Yeah. You know, one freedom to take your rights away and one freedom to keep your rights. Well, then why send a letter? I mean, if it's really that important, you should just ask him face to face.
Starting point is 00:48:40 Oh, but that's right. No one's ever seen him. My bad. Come on, Max. Let's get out of here. This story comes from the independent Madison Cawthorn under fire after calling on fellow conservatives to drop out of college like him. Just, I mean, Cecil, I looked him up on Wikipedia. He went to school for a year.
Starting point is 00:49:04 Yeah. He went to college for a year. He went to college for one year. And I think it shows. College isn't for everybody. I'm not saying it is. But what I'm saying is we don't want to encourage people to quit hard things. We don't want to encourage people to be less educated. You don't want to encourage people to not get a fucking education in a world that increasingly requires us to be more and more educated to solve the problems that we find ourselves existentially facing. Also, the difficult part about quitting college is college is fucking expensive. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:47 And when you walk away from college and you quit college, you have a big bill you have to pay. And you were training to maybe do a job or to have some sort of skill set in that college to get a job that's enough to pay that bill off. But now you're leaving with what you essentially had coming in. Yeah, man. A degree is a zero-sum thing. Yeah. You're leaving with what you essentially had coming in. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:50:05 A degree is a zero-sum thing. Yeah. You either have it or you don't. Yeah. Nobody gives a shit if you have three years. I kind of have a degree. Like, who cares?
Starting point is 00:50:14 Right, yeah. So, like, if you, if what you did was you accumulated the debt and didn't reap the reward, like, what the fuck kind of message?
Starting point is 00:50:24 But I, this is such a crass appeal to ignorance. Yeah, 100%. This is a pandering to a certain base of people who loves the fact that they're, like, one of the most important and cherished things about some groups of people is that they are an everyman. Yeah, that they're not college educated.
Starting point is 00:50:45 Exactly. And you know, it's interesting too, because they always seem to blame college for like sort of a liberal indoctrination. Right. But I will tell you, I went to a Catholic school. So I went to a Catholic college and I went to a Catholic college
Starting point is 00:51:01 because they offered to pay for a lot of my salary. Or my salary. They offered to pay for a lot of my salary. Or my salary. They offered to pay for a lot of my education. They offered to pay for, essentially pay for me to have a price that was about as much as a public school. Right. Like a state school,
Starting point is 00:51:20 but it was 30 people classes. Right. Which is just, it's just better. How much better is that? Yeah. And it was in an area, which is just, it's just better. How much better is that? Yeah. And it was in a, it was in an area of Chicago that I liked better and it was easier to get to.
Starting point is 00:51:30 And I figured, and the people seemed like, the things that I did to read up on the college felt like the right choice. They also had a philosophy program I was interested in. So there was all these pluses. And I remember going and I had plenty of far right teachers. I had a journalist teacher, a journalism teacher,
Starting point is 00:51:52 100% hated Obama, 100% hated Obama, talked about it all the time, talked about how badly Obama was doing in the presidency constantly, like constantly in class. But what the people on the right don't understand is that no matter what I'm hearing in the classes, I'm getting a way to see the world in a more broad sense.
Starting point is 00:52:20 And that just by nature makes you more liberal. You go to a college and you start seeing things in a broad sense. And suddenly you start voting Democrat because you start seeing that, you know, people have it different than you do. It's not just all the same people in the same 10 square mile area that you grew up
Starting point is 00:52:43 and everybody's, you know, the same. Yeah. I mean, read a bunch of books. Yeah. Understand people's experiences. Understand history. And you're like, wow. You know, I mean, like I have a degree in English literature and you read a bunch of stories of how people live
Starting point is 00:52:59 and how they feel and what they think. And if that doesn't create empathy, then I don't know how you read those books. You know And if that doesn't create empathy, then I don't know how you read those books. You know, if that doesn't inspire you to understand things about the human condition, and that's every education, every education to your point. It's, I go there, especially a liberal arts education, especially a liberal arts education. You're going to meet people from all over. You go to any college of any size, you can meet people from all over the country, if not all over the world. You're going to be exposed to a host of different ideas.
Starting point is 00:53:29 That broadens. That necessarily broadens. But the Republicans are counting on a shrinking. And that's what Cawthorn wants. Guys like Cawthorn, they want to celebrate the shrinking. They want shrinkage. It's cold in the pool. He doesn't.
Starting point is 00:53:47 It's always cold in his pool. He doesn't want people to get smart enough to know that he's bullshitting them. Yeah. I think that's a real. That's a big part of it. Really the big problem. Yeah. Is that he knows that if he keeps his base unstudied.
Starting point is 00:54:00 Yeah. They're not going to notice the grift. Because he's a grifter. He's totally a grifter. Yeah. They're not going to notice the grift because he's a grifter. He's totally a grifter. Yeah. On the first day of Christmas, my true love sent to me a book. So for this week,
Starting point is 00:54:14 we read chapter 20 of Demon Haunted World, House on Fire. I thought it was going to be different. I did too. When I saw the title of it, I thought, oh God, it's going to be about global warming and it's going to be so sad
Starting point is 00:54:23 because you're looking into the future thinking, oh my God, you know, we're 20 years, 25 years past this. Right. And in 25 years, it's been worse than anybody ever thought. Instead, it was about the previous chapter. So the previous chapter that we read was about science education in the United States. And that was again produced and published by Parade Magazine. And he received his letters. And the letters, again, he read as hate mail. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:52 Some of it. I mean, some of it isn't. Some of it's supportive, but most of it isn't. Some of it is not. The kids' ones were hilarious. Oh my God. The kids' ones were funny.
Starting point is 00:55:02 I will say this though. In comparison, I'm going gonna sound so old here but in comparison to like like the way i read comments on the internet the way the comments are typed out these comments from these children in parade magazine look like civil war letters and they're like my dearest diana or, you know, I mean, seriously, in comparison to nowadays with, you know, like, like the way people comment on threads, it's, it's very different than the, you know,
Starting point is 00:55:34 they mess up a couple of things there and there they misspell it. But I mean, goodness, the spelling, I mean, spelling, spelling today, even when you have like an auto-correct or, you know, there's a squiggly line under the thing you're typing and you still don't correct it. It's impossibly bad. It's insane. But the chapter itself is basically his hate mail and some other messages. this sort of this this fire burning in children to keep them uh wanting to study science making science interesting making learning interesting and then he talks at the very last piece of this
Starting point is 00:56:13 chapter is about a couple of women who basically create a science center uh with funding in Ithaca, New York, where he lives. And he talks about their sort of ground up building of this science center that is an amazing science center. And he spends some time talking about how these types of things, these science centers where kids can actually get their hands dirty and touch things and fiddle around are really, they're integral to children loving science.
Starting point is 00:56:45 I'm curious if you felt called out as a city by that chapter, because I did. Because one of the things that he mentions is too many science museums look like an advertisement for energy industries. Yeah, right, yeah. And I laugh because up until relatively recently, and I think it's gotten better,
Starting point is 00:57:06 but man, when we were kids, the Museum of Science and Industry here in Chicago was the most like just crassly sponsored hands-on commercial to sell people the fucking joy of coal. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:57:22 100%. It was the worst. Literally a coal mine going down into was the worst. Literally a coal mine going down into the ground. Yeah. There's a coal mine you can visit in the science and industry. It is. I've been there not that long ago,
Starting point is 00:57:32 maybe five years ago, and it's so much better than it was when I was a kid, but it was a fucking horror. The last time I went, I used to go there every year to see the Christmas exhibit because they do Christmas
Starting point is 00:57:44 around the world. That's cool. And so they have a bunch of different trees that are probably not I went, I used to go there every year to see the Christmas exhibit because they do Christmas around the world. And so they have a bunch of different trees that are probably not trees that people put up, but they make a tree for every country. And so you walk around and you look at all that. And so it's a cool little thing to walk around and just see a bunch of Christmas trees. And I like Christmas. I'm a fucking avid Christmas schmuck. I love Christmas. I love all things Christmas. So for me, it was a lot of fun to do every year. And I got a chance to walk around there. After you see that exhibit, there's other things to see.
Starting point is 00:58:14 And they had a global warming exhibit the last time I was there. They had an ice sheet melting exhibit. You know what I mean? Like, so there is some- I think it's gotten way better. It's gotten better. It's gotten way better. But back when I was a kid, it was just like, hey some coal i know man it was like eat some coal dude it was
Starting point is 00:58:29 like join the navy here's a boat yeah exactly the submarine submarine yeah they had a big submarine you could go into and that was just like an advertisement for the military then they had like a bunch of coal and coal related products they were like and they had like signs bunch of coal and coal related products. They were like, and they had like signs like Exxon coal, like all over. It was like branded. It was the crassest fucking thing. And he calls that shit out. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:52 And I was glad. And even though I felt called out for my childhood in that moment in my city, like I remember, I remember as a, as a late teens, early twenties going to the museum of Science History and thinking that. Like, fuck, man, I'm in a commercial. And I've been in a commercial my whole fucking life
Starting point is 00:59:10 and I didn't know it. And there's a difference between using museums or schools to indoctrinate kids and using those museums and schools to give kids that sense of wonder and the tools to manipulate what they need to manipulate in order to feel like a part of something and like they can engage and interact.
Starting point is 00:59:32 Yeah. And those two things are light years apart. And I read that Ithaca example, and I will admit, I thought, man, that's a great fucking story. But it is a story of such a privileged neighborhood. Sure. You know, where you can go to the citizens and they can donate money of their own because they have local monies. And I thought, man, how much do we need that in the West side of Chicago and in Philly and in like, you know,
Starting point is 00:59:56 Compton and like, you know. In the rural America. Yes. Yeah, that too. Yeah. And the, yeah, I feel like every time I've ever gone to some of those things, especially in, in Chicago, they were like busted too. So like it wouldn't work. So imagine a kid, you get dragged to museum and as, as a field trip, and now you're at this place where nothing is working and you know, like, like those types of things, if it's not bright and beautiful and interesting, you're going to lose those kids. They're going to have a bad memory of that day. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:00:32 I just came back from a science museum in Boston. Boston is a science museum. And it was a cool museum. It was really neat. They have these, they have these, and he, Carl mentions this IMAX in the, specifically because IMAX was a newish technology back then. And they had this IMAX like 180 degree screen that comes around and you have to lean back and look at it. And it was underground caves and the stuff that's in those caves.
Starting point is 01:01:00 And they're basically measuring stalactites to figure out global warming and whatnot. And this woman literally dives in these caves. She's a climate scientist, but she dives in these caves, these tight ass caves with scuba gear to get underneath and into this area where she can pull pieces of stalagmites or stalactites off the top to try to take them out.
Starting point is 01:01:22 And then she analyzes them and she has to hire like professional divers, but it was a beautiful thing to watch. Like it was just gorgeous. You're immersed. You're a hundred percent immersed in this, in this like new reality. And that's just one thing that I saw.
Starting point is 01:01:37 They had multiple showings. So it's a lot of the sort of, instead of a boring film strip thing, you get a chance to really see some high production value science films. And then you get, you know, you walk around throughout the entire place and there's all these different, you know, like cutaway sections and all kinds of stuff to like look at and stuff to touch. They had an electricity, this electricity thing they had there at the science museum was really intense. There was things that you could do, like spin things to make, you know, electricity appear.
Starting point is 01:02:09 There was certain things that you could touch. You could hear electricity. If you, if you waited for something to charge and then you press it, you could hear the snap of it. And so like, there's a lot of like, you know, just like how church gets you to come back using all the five senses, they're doing multi-sensory stuff to get you to realize this is some cool learning opportunities happening here. And then they had like study rooms and all kinds. It was a really cool place in Boston. It was the only time I went. I was only there for like three hours, but it was a really cool place and something I think a lot of people could model to make that science feel more interesting to students. And there's some comments in here
Starting point is 01:02:47 where they're talking about, you can see that there's parents that were pushing back on science education, how useful science education is, pushing back. And you're hearing, even back then, you were hearing that Christian right stuff, Yep. The anti-science Christian right. Yep. And the teachers that were writing were really like bemoaning the whole issue. They're just like, God fucking, we're out here trying. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:12 But holy shit. And how, if you're a teacher trying to teach science and the community is not supportive of that effort. Yeah. Because we haven't done a good job culturally. Yeah. Of explaining that science is not, it's the same reason you teach history wrong.
Starting point is 01:03:28 Don't teach it as a series of shit to memorize. Teach it as a museum. It is an experience. It is the world around us. It is the reason this microphone works and that airplane flies and all. Like if we can't grab kids that way, then by the time they make it to that teacher,
Starting point is 01:03:45 they're lost. Their job is a thousand fold harder. Yeah. It was interesting though to see the reactions to this because the reactions are sort of, they're a mosquito in amber 25 years ago. Right. And you get a chance to see these reactions.
Starting point is 01:04:00 And it's interesting to see how closely they're still related to a lot of the same beef that many people still have, especially in the religious side with science. Yeah, it's a good point, you know, because like those kids that were like poo-pooing, wrote in, were like, that's all bullshit, doesn't matter. They're now grown up and in charge
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Starting point is 01:06:00 link there if you go to our website and check out the show notes for this particular episode. We got a little bit of email we want to cover here. We got a great image. This is from Aaron. It's about Christmas and it really is the spirit of giving.
Starting point is 01:06:15 I'm telling you. This image is fucking baller. It's fucking amazing, this image. You have to check it out on this week's show notes. We got a message. This is from Nick and Nick says, he searched for our
Starting point is 01:06:30 book. He said, oh my gosh, you guys have a book. And so he searched for it and he couldn't find it because it's not out yet. It's not out yet, guys. It's not out yet. It won't be out until January. The title is going to be The Grand Unified Theory of Bullshit, but it turns out that it's not actually printed yet. So it's not available on demand and it's not also available on Kindle. And Tom is going to read it.
Starting point is 01:06:49 I am indeed. We are going to have it on our website as a download. We're going to have people pay us for it. We were going to go through Audible, but we decided instead we were just going to sell it as an audio book version. Since we do audio all the time, we can do and master all the audio ourselves. So we're just going to sell that audio book version on our website. We're still not quite sure how that's going to work. We'll get back to you with more details when we know them.
Starting point is 01:07:12 Ian, you're editing. Yeah. You're supposed to figure that part out. You need to figure that part out. That's a little reminder. Just let us know how it's going to work because we're kind of not sure. Anyway, I got a message from Cheryl
Starting point is 01:07:24 and Cheryl said, just want to let you guys know that they stopped that. We talked a couple weeks ago about unanimous verdicts and trials. It looks like for serious crimes, they have to be unanimous now. There was two states,
Starting point is 01:07:39 but now it's since April of last year or what is now, I guess, this year, early this year. Still this year, because I'm still, this will release before New Year's. So yeah, so this year, April of 21, is when that got changed.
Starting point is 01:07:54 So it was recent, very recent when that got changed. And that's a fact check for me because I think I brought that topic up. So I was aware that a couple of states didn't require it. I was not aware of the April Supreme Court decision. They changed it. So yeah, thank you for that correction. Fucking good, by the way.
Starting point is 01:08:09 Yeah, good. Oh, good. Jesus. Jesus, could you imagine? You get like fucking some, it's like a fucking half of them or something. Right. You're just like, eh.
Starting point is 01:08:19 We got a message from Richard and he said, I know you guys are interested in maybe going to the Large Hadron Collider, but did you know that there's a couple of large, this one's a synchrotron called the Advanced Photon Source at Argonne National Laboratory here, which is by Chicago.
Starting point is 01:08:37 There's also Fermilab nearby. Either one would be a fun place to tour just to see. Did you ever go to one for school? No. I went to Fermilab at a field trip for school and I don't remember it at all. I just remember that I went actually, that's all I remember of it, but I don't even remember.
Starting point is 01:08:54 I don't even be honest. I don't even know what kind of work they do. I don't either. And that's the thing is like, I'd love to learn about what they're doing. It's probably so like, like deep physics like that is probably so far above what you could sort of just probably quickly tell someone.
Starting point is 01:09:07 Absolutely. I wonder if there's anything that they could even tell me that they're doing that would be, that I would be able to grasp. They would have to dumb it down to a point where they're just like 30,000 feet. And in their mind, they're just like, we do so much more than what I'm telling you.
Starting point is 01:09:19 Yeah, it's just, it's so much different. It's like showing up to like a, you know, a kitchen for a world famous chef. And they're just like, yeah, we make food. Yeah, we just do food here. You're right. I bet you they're probably right. We assemble ingredients and use heat to create food for a meal experience.
Starting point is 01:09:35 You're like, oh, okay. I understand that. I know food. Right. Yeah. I love physics shows like on TV, like especially astrophysics. I'll watch almost anything if it's astrophysics based. If there's anything at all about the universe,
Starting point is 01:09:49 about, and anything whatsoever about planetary planets or stars or anything, I'll watch it. I love it. I devour it. I love it. And I also like physics. I also like learning about physics. I just don't know that I like
Starting point is 01:10:03 have a very deep understanding of it at all. I might have watched a thousand hours of stuff on astrophysics. I just don't think I still have a deep understanding of it to the extent that I could understand probably what they're doing there. I know I couldn't. I took physics in college
Starting point is 01:10:20 a couple of classes. I took three physics classes in college. But there's no way I'd understand it. It's like that shit skims the top of the first level of the surface. Any undergrad class is really just an introduction to the thought of introducing things. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:10:35 Tom, we didn't talk about this on the show, but we actually got a message. I kind of wish we could have got this person. It came to us too late. There was a media contact that they sent out karen at the satanic temple this is so great the media contact and i guess they're from the satanic temple um uh which is i guess in salem and they had so at our our capital rotunda has these uh has like a display of you know like a fucking manger or whatever. And they sent their fucking goat baby manger out here.
Starting point is 01:11:07 It's so great. And it's the fucking best, man. The goat baby manger. You have to look this up. It's fucking terrifying. It's so amazing. It's the best. It's so amazing.
Starting point is 01:11:18 It is amazing. It is such a fucking slap in the face to people who want to push their religion down your throats. It's fucking beautiful, man. I really wish we could have reached out to this person before. You know what? We might actually be able to reach out to him afterwards and talk to him. I thought we still could. I think we probably can. We'll see if we can maybe make this work. But this is from like Lucian Greaves desk or whatever. But the person that they're saying, the media contact is a person
Starting point is 01:11:42 named Karen. So maybe we'll reach out to her and see if we can maybe get them on the show. Because I would love to talk about this fucking goat baby. It's my fucking, it's so num num. It's amazing. And it's right here in town. Oh, it's so amazing. It's right here in Illinois. It's in Illinois.
Starting point is 01:11:56 They did the holding of the hands. They did a circle around it. They did like a ring around the rosy of the fucking goat baby. It's so great. It's fucking outstanding. You guys, look at a picture of this fucking thing. It's fucking so creepy. And it's in our rotunda right now in Springfield.
Starting point is 01:12:10 It's like fucking Pan's Labyrinth. It is so scary looking. I love it. Oh, I love it. We got a message, a couple of messages talking about the book and they said they're going to need to pre-order a physical copy.
Starting point is 01:12:21 And yes, we were going to be doing physical copies that we were going to sign, but we're not sure how that's going to work. We'll keep you all informed. We are going to be doing physical copies that we were going to sign, but we're not sure how that's going to work. We'll keep you all informed. We are going to do some signed copies for anybody who wants them. So we'll put a pre-order up for that once the book is sort of at Amazon and it's getting ready to be published because we have to order it from them because we're not ordering sets of books and then sending them out. Amazon's going to do all that work for us. We're just going to order, we'll order several to get shipped to us and then we'll sign them and ship them to you. So, but we will do that in the future and we'll let you know what that looks like and how that's
Starting point is 01:12:54 going to work itself out. And if you don't want that, you can mail us your Kindle and I will sign it with a Sharpie, your Kindle. Absolutely. I will grind in there with a grinder so you can't read anything ever again. I got a correction last with a grinder so you can't read anything ever again. I got a correction last week. Michael sent in a message and said that Santa is not read due to Coca-Cola marketing. I had said that very quickly as an aside on our show when we were quoting the Bishop. I had said something like he's not wrong, but it looks like that he was just publicized, but he was already read. It was read for years before Coca-Cola ever.
Starting point is 01:13:27 And he was also a popular figure in many cultures before Coca-Cola ever used him in advertising. I read the Snopes that you sent along, so it looks like it basically debunks a lot of things about Santa. Yeah, the next thing you're going to tell me is that polar bears don't drink Coca-Cola. Now that's fucking blasphemy.
Starting point is 01:13:44 You should have a goat baby that drinks Coca-Cola. Now that's fucking blasphemy. That's ridiculous. You should have a goat baby. That's all I'm saying. That drinks Coca-Cola. I love it so much. So that is going to wrap it up for this week. We know you guys all, it's before Christmas for us. It's before Christmas.
Starting point is 01:13:54 So we want to wish you guys a Merry Christmas. We know it's going to be, most of you are going to be listening to this after Christmas or on Christmas if it gets mixed. I don't know if Mian's going to mix it on Christmas. So you might actually get it the day after Christmas, which would be Sunday, most patrons would, and then Monday for the wide release.
Starting point is 01:14:08 So we want to thank everybody for listening for a year and Merry Christmas to everybody. Wish everybody a Merry Christmas. And we hope you guys have a wonderful holiday. We are going to, of course, be doing our live stream. We did our live stream this week, which was the day before Christmas Eve. And we'll be doing our live stream next week,
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