Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 615: Campbell's Cup of Phone

Episode Date: February 7, 2022

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no welcome at. This is episode 615 of Cognitive Dissonance. And Cecil, Russia has not yet invaded Ukraine. Please fucking hold though. Yeah, no, I mean, what I'm hoping is that there's some weird viral video

that gets posted. Jesus Christ. That's like a fake, with like fake blood and actors pretending that there was some sort of drone strike. Fucking hell, man. The smartest thing you could do is release that to the public,

which is what happened today. The Pentagon released this comment that basically said, Russia is planning on creating a fake video that makes it look like all this stuff is happening. Best thing to do is get out in front of that. Because if you don't, then you're constantly being like, no, it's fake. Yeah. Well, it's so funny because there's a Times article that I read this morning that was really, this is a new strategy. So what Biden's administration is doing is they are leaking, well, not leaking, they are divulging what would otherwise be classified material saying, hey, here's what Russia is going to do next. Yeah. And then that constantly puts Russia on their back foot. They can't do the next thing.

Yeah. constantly puts Russia on their back foot. They can't do the next thing. So as soon as they're finding something out, the UK is leaking stuff. So they said, hey, look, Russia plans to invade the Ukraine and install a puppet president. And here's who they're thinking about. So they're constantly sort of like finding this intelligence out. And the strategy is to then divulge to the world that intelligence. And it's a really interesting tactic. And there's some analysts who are saying, well, that's just backing Putin into a corner. That's all you're doing is you're just, you're constantly, but I don't see that at all.

You're calling that shit out to take that card out of his hand. I think it's a great, it's a great strategy. It's a great strategy. You know, like what we've been doing for the past several years. I mean, I have no idea what was happening under Trump because everything was so tight-lipped, so you a great strategy. You know, like what we've been doing for the past several years, I mean, I have no idea what was happening under Trump because

everything was so tight-lipped, so you don't know. But we felt like we were buffoons on the world stage with all the stuff that was happening with Russia. I mean, they were utilizing Facebook to manipulate things and, you know, they were using troll farms to manipulate things. I mean, these are all

proven things. Now, what isn't proven is how well they work, right? That's not a thing that we can measure. But you know, all these people that go on and the TV and like Glenn Greenwald, who call it like a Russia hoax or whatever. It's like, it's not a Russia. I mean, these are all proven things that happen. There's a propaganda war. It's just not like whether or not it's super effective. That can be debated. Right. But whether or not it happened can't.

But it's funny because if you're watching Tucker Carlson right now, the guy comes off right now like a fucking paid Russian stooge. Paid Russian stooge? Yeah, absolutely. He totally comes off that way. And I don't think that he is a paid Russian stooge, but I think he's an unpaid Russian stooge. I think the propaganda worked on him.

Yeah, or he is so anti-Biden that he'll literally side with anyone else. Yeah, that's true too. He's anti-Democrats so hard that it doesn't matter who the other side is. It's like, if there's a leopard on the other side, he's like, yeah, I'm with the leopard. Like I'm 100% leopard based now I'm a hundred percent leopard base now.

And he'll do, and that's what he'd do. He wouldn't do it. So I, you know, it's, it's, we're in a weird position because, you know, for, for years, we've been losing this battle. Oh my God. And I wonder if this might be the way that, you know, you got to get people in front of that stuff. And if the way they say you get in front of it is to leak this stuff.

And the plan was, I mean, I want to elaborate on this plan because they had a plan to put a bunch of fake blood and fake and use real corpses. Like, so they were going to use real corpses, fake blood and real actors to pretend that they were mourning over people

who were killed. They were going to use, and they were, and the plan was to divulge this as if Ukraine had attacked Russian speakers behind Ukrainian border. They would then have this on the video that would be like, oh, look, they're killing these Russian speakers, which would then give them the reason, the sort of reason to invade, to be like, we've got to protect our people. And so that's what the whole plan was.

And they basically just divulge it. Now, whether or not that's true, they just divulge it. And who knows? You know what I mean? Like, I don't, I don't, I mean, who knows how many back switches this is, right? And that's absolutely the case. What we know with certainty, though, is that Russia for years, years, has been waging a very aggressive propaganda war. And this strikes me, and again, that's all it is, but it strikes me as entirely possible and entirely plausible. Sure. Right? And whether or not that propaganda has worked,

I will say that the effect that that propaganda would have achieved has been achieved. Yeah. You know, whether we did it to ourselves or they did it to us or we were all complicit in this shit together. But I love that the antidote to this is transparency. Yeah. Yeah. The antidote to this is just to call it out. Be, just point this is transparency. Yeah. Yeah. The antidote to, um, to this is just to call it out. Be just point right at it and say true things out loud. Yeah. You know, I, I worry so much.

Like when Trump was president, he fucking capitulated to Putin all the time. Constantly was sucking that guy's dick. And he was the least transparent president I think we've ever had. Biden, like him or love him, or love him or hate him, at least the transparency is there with this element. And I think it's strategically valuable.

You know, all they really have to do, and this is a really funny thing to say out loud, but it's so true. All they have to do is hold off on an invasion until spring. Yeah, because then the mud. Yeah, then there's too much mud. It cracks me up that in 2022, they're still

foiled by mud. They need hover tanks, Tom. Right, do we? That's the key. Foiled by mud. Don't tease me. I'm not. I'm stating facts. I'm not concerned with facts. Not if they interfere I'm not. I'm stating facts. I'm not concerned with facts. Not if they interfere with my beliefs. I give you prejudice in a nutshell.

Oh, stop talking to yourself and ring the bell. I'm going up to change. I doubt it, Mama. I'd say you will come down again without having changed at all. In stories from Huffington Post, Joe Rogan shares incorrect coronavirus story just 24 hours after apology. This is what he shared. Rogan had tweeted this article from Disclosed.TV, Justin, Japan's co-op partnership with Kida Sawa University and Tokyo Medical University says ivermectin is effective against Omicron in phase three trial. And Joe Rogan put, well, looky here.

A few hours later, there was a correction from that thing that said it wasn't. You know, basically like, no. And then he deleted the tweet. And he didn't, and he didn't say anything. He just deleted it. There's no accountability for him. He just deletes it.

He's like, oh, I don't want to look bad. Yeah. If anybody was wondering if there's any intellectual integrity to Joe Rogan, there's just not. There's not. There's just not. There's no attempt to vet information. There's no attempt to say, hey, a correction came out and actually the correction is really important. And there's a difference between something that the way things are phrased, it's effective in a phase three trial. Wow, phase three trial sounds like it's being

tested on people, but what we're talking about is whether or not ivermectin, the actual study is really talking about whether or not ivermectin has an antiviral effect in it, like a test tube. We're not talking about whether or not it works for people. Phase three trial does sound like it's people. It does sound like a test tube. Like we're not talking about whether or not it works. Phase 3 trial does sound like it's people. It does sound like it's people.

So it's all disingenuous bullshit. And the desire for ivermectin to work for these guys is overshadowing whether or not it does work. And the thing is, everybody wants it

to work. I want it to work i want i want it to work too so i want to be like like abundantly clear it would be great the more tools in our fucking anti-covid toolbox the better hydroxychloroquine right whatever i don't care what it is that works if it works that's amazing we should have as many things that work as possible because i don't want to get COVID and not have medicine that works. I want to open it up like, like, you know, when you were a kid and you go fishing with some old guy

and you'd open up this box and there'd be like 7,000 lures in there. That's what I want. I want the doctor to open up and be like, here is my medicine chest full of COVID drugs. Yes. And I can choose one of these 100 million drugs that I could give you.

But instead, it's like, what these people do is they're, this is confirmation bias. Exactly, confirmation bias. Joe Rogan found this story because it confirms all his biases about ivermectin. He has been shown to be a buffoon by a bunch of people. They're like, no, ivermectin, that study, there's only like one study and that was pulled back and all this. And they keep showing him evidence

after evidence, after evidence. And all Joe wants to do is find the one thing that makes him not look as bad. And so he did. So he found something that he was like, yeah, you know, somebody sent him that or somebody tagged him in that to be like, no, Joe, you're a real smart guy, Joe. You were right

all along. And then he fucking retweeted it. And then somebody else was like, hey, man, that's not what you think it is. And he's like, oh, shit, I better delete it. Delete. And I think another thing that feeds into this not only is confirmation bias feed into this, there's also this fucking thing that happens with social media

and being people who who sometimes do share news stories on our feeds the problem is the speed of the whole thing yeah right so we have we have turned what used to be you know before social media was a 24-hour news day on fox news and msnbc or whatever right there was a 24-hour news thing, news cycle, where you could probably turn the news on for half an hour, and then you're done. You don't have to watch it again. They're repeating a lot of stories, etc., etc.

But that was fast. That was fast on its own. Yeah, that was problematic. But the people who were speeding up that process were journalists. They would get things wrong, but not as bad as you and I might get things wrong. the people who were speeding up that process were journalists. Yep. You know? So they would get things wrong,

but not as bad as you and I might get things wrong. Because we don't have any of the things that one, protect anybody out there from the things that we say. We don't have any repercussions for the things that we do. And so when we share something, there's no bad that can happen. The worst thing that happens is I look kind of stupid.

I could just delete it like Joe Rogan did. And the speed of it is making it inaccurate, but then there's no repercussions if it is inaccurate. Yeah, there's no... The thing is, if you're inaccurate on social media, there's no memory at all for it at all. So there's no repercussions. There's no stake in whether or not you're right or wrong.

It literally doesn't matter, except for that it matters so much. It matters not to you, but it matters because it clouds these issues. It confuses them. This thing matters. Like this Joe Rogan thing about ivermectin matters because it's changing what should be a scientific question

into a political question. It's turning, like there is an answer which is either true or false, right? Ivermectin either is effective against COVID or it is not effective against COVID. But now you have camps that have set up on both sides and they are heels dug in. It does work.

It doesn't work. And then when you ask them why I believe and they give you all the... None of that is how science works. None of that is how you determine whether things are true or not. But we're galvanized. We're constantly fucking galvanized. That's a problem. Like, we're emotionally

reactive. I'm sure that Joe tweeted this because he was emotional about it. He was excited. He was pleased because he'd been made fun of and now he gets to be vindicated. And that's a really human thing to feel. Absolutely. And I fucking get it. Like when I'm humiliated, if I get to be vindicated later, like that's a good feeling. And I sympathize with that feeling and I'm right there with them. The problem is that that should never have been how

these things get decided. It should never have been how these things get disseminated. But we're treating factual questions like a poll will answer whether or not they're true. Like, oh, vote for whether or not ivermectin works. Fuck you, that's what. Fuck you. We don't vote for whether or not ivermectin works. I don't care how many fucking thumbs up or likey hearts you get on something like that. It doesn't change. It's the fucking mask thing, man. Either from day one, there was only one thing,

either masks did work or they didn't work. For a while, it was an unsettled question. Then the question became settled. But like the reality had never changed. The reality was always that they, from day one, they did work. We just didn't know it.

You know? So like the, the truth of the physical reality we live in is not, it's not changing, but we're confusing whether or not things are real with whether or not we like them. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's a problem. It's a hundred percent the problem. And, and you know, no Twitter poll is going to make a decision on whether or not something's real. Right.

Right? That's just, all it is is just an unfiltered bias. Yeah. And so you're like, cool, that's just a bunch of people

who like Joe Rogan and don't want him to be wrong. Yeah, and the thing is, like, I don't want him to be wrong either. I want him to be right. I don't want Joe Rogan to be wrong about this.

Right. Because I have some sort of deep-seated hatred for Joe Rogan. I want Joe Rogan to be right about it so that there's another tool. Right? You said it earlier. Yes. I don't, whether he's right or wrong doesn't affect me. What the problem is, is him being wrong, he's wrong to 10 million people.

Yes. Well, and the problem is that Joe Rogan says things and people decide that they believe those things, but Joe Rogan doesn't know how to understand right and wrong for scientific questions. He doesn't respect that process. And he doesn't know enough to ask the right questions. And it makes me fucking crazy. And he doesn't know enough to ask the right questions. And it makes me fucking crazy. And when Kermit the Frog, Kermit the Frog, sang,

it's not easy being green. You remember that one? I want you to know that he was wrong. He was wrong. It is easy. It's not only easy, it's lucrative, and it's right to be green, even though he's also unnecessarily rude to Miss Piggy, I thought,

Kermit the Frog. This story comes from The Guardian. Fuck me. Word salad of nonsense. Scientists denounce Jordan Peterson's comments on climate models. So recently, Kermit the Frog gave an interview.

Hey-ho! Climate models here! Casting aspersions and doubts on climate models with such zingers like hey, you know, can't predict... You know, you can't predict the weather,

so you can't predict climate models. And just stay in your fucking lane. Yeah. Jordan Peterson, you want to write a book about how it's important that people fucking make their bed and clean their room? Hey, man, you're a psychologist. You have every right of expertise to write that book. He legitimately does.

He owns that expertise to write that book. He legitimately does. Like he owns that expertise to write that book. But when you want to fucking opine on climate modeling, you have the same fucking expertise on that as I do about whether or not, like what's the optimum depth for fucking rebar

in building a fucking bridge. Fucking A, man. I don't know. Sure, absolutely. You don't either. One of the people in this article say, anyone who has taken an introductory course

to climate or atmospheric science would spot this problem. Errors in a weather forecast indeed accumulate such that after a couple weeks, the forecast is useless. Peterson's argument is saying that we can't predict whether a pot of water on a flame will boil

because we can't decide in advance what variables to put on our model and can't predict each bubble and quote yes that's exactly it right like like these people these people know what they're doing and they understand climate way more than you and you sitting around with your buddy on a show that reaches 11 million people 10 million people every time it plays now that's his numbers. I don't know how the, even if it's a million, like, let's just say like, call it a million that listen to it at least like 40 minutes of it. Let's say those people get to sit there and listen to Jordan

Peterson who doesn't know fuck all about this, but has a real stance on it. Right. He's coming into it again. We're talking about bias. He's coming into it with a deep bias against this because for him, it's money. Jordan Peterson was a nobody before. Jordan Peterson was a nobody right in a bunch of garbage. And what happened was, is Jordan Peterson latched on to right-wing ideals. And when Jordan Peterson latched on to right-wing ideals,

he also did another really important thing. He made a Patreon account. Yeah. And he made a lot of goddamn money because people wanted to pay somebody

who they thought was articulate, who they thought was smart, who was going to say the things that were in the echo chamber that they were in. Well, yeah.

And, you know, Jordan Peterson is, it's kind of funny because in this interview, he's doing the same shit Rogan does. He's a just asking questions guy. So he shows up to just ask questions about climate change and to have these like, well, you know, if it doesn't work like this, how can it work like that?

And it's just like, well, you don't, you're starting from the wrong starting point. You don't understand the base science that you're criticizing, but he sounds rational. The problem with these guys, the problem with a lot of these guys is because they don't respect the starting point and the foundational knowledge that you have to come to a subject with, they sound really fucking rational to some people.

Wow, you know, it does make sense. Well, you know, they do get the weather wrong. You know, if they get the weather wrong, how can they get something bigger than the weather wrong? And it's like, well, actually sometimes predicting macro events is easier than predicting micro events. I can predict, to your point before, but like, you can predict whether or not it's going to rain,

and that's usually right, but you can't predict how the raindrops on your windshield are going to travel down the side of your windshield. Yeah, yeah. And exactly what that path will take. You know, predicting macro events in short term can be easier. Predicting macro events in the long term can be more accurate because you're also not predicting like on this day at four o'clock in this fucking zip code, this tiny thing is going to happen. The more he's got it all backwards. The more specificity you require, the more difficult translating information often is.

And what climate scientists are saying is not something that is hyper specific. They're saying it's getting worse. It's going to keep getting worse. Nothing is going to stop it from getting worse. We already know it's getting worse. Right. Nothing is going to stop it from getting worse. Right. We already know it's getting worse. We already know that, like, like when fucking icebergs

are breaking off of Antarctica or whatever. Right. Floating in the middle of fucking like the ocean just being like, peace! And then they disappear.

You know it's getting worse. It's not like we don't know it's getting worse. You can see it. You go, go, go swimming in a coral reef and be like,

what happened? Man, when I was a coral reef and be like, what happened, man? When I was a kid, white, right. Everything was Jacques Cousteau fucking multicolor. Now you go, it's like,

I thought these were going to be more colorful than gray and white. Sorry. They're all bleached out. Yeah. Yeah. It's also like predicting climate change. What they're saying is basically got three options, right?

Climate change has three base options. It will get hotter. It will get colder. It will stay the same. If you're predicting the weather, you're saying, hey, I'm going to predict what temperature it's going to be at what time, the precipitation, you're predicting more variables. There's a bunch of stuff. All you're predicting with climate change is it's going to get hotter. It's been getting hotter for 100 years. Why wouldn't it be getting hotter tomorrow too? Or next month or next year? And then it's easy to tell what getting hotter does to the rest of the world. Right. Like that's easy

to see. And we see it happening throughout the entire world. Well, yeah. It's like what causes hurricanes? Well, warm weather, warm water. Oh, if the water warms up, we'll probably have more hurricanes. Story it fucking does. I want to read this quote.

Quote, people are entitled to their opinions, but science and climate modeling isn't about opinion. If you are not well-informed about how something is done, then it's not right to make comments about it on a large platform, end quote. And I think, Tom, we should talk for a second about the size of this platform, because I think this is a really important thing that people seem to miss. Yeah. So I looked it up the other day. Joe Rogan is 11 million listeners. Fox News is 2.4 million viewers. There's this bullshit, and it is bullshit, and we need to put it to bed. There is this bullshit idea that there is a thing called

mainstream media, and that's bad. We don't like mainstream media. Oh, the lame stream. Fuck you. Joe Rogan is more mainstream than Fox. And Fox is the most watched TV news, period. Yeah. That's it. It's Fox. Yeah. He is four and change times, 400 and change times. He is crazy more people.

He reaches crazy more people than Fox News. 11 million people to 2.4 million people. He's got a $100 million corporate sponsor, but he's somehow independent. How the fuck are you independent when you have a $100 million corporate sponsor? You're someone's bitch. Just like if the criticism, and it's legit, if the criticism is that all media has to answer at the end of the day to the advertisers and the revenue that the advertisers bring in, right?

Or the owners, like in the case of the Washington Post. Right. Right? Where people criticize- Rightfully criticize the Washington Post who would never print anything bad about Jeff Bezos ever. Right, right. They can't.

Everything is just, everything is glowing about Jeff Bezos. Absolutely. Because fucking Amazon owns their shit. Amazon owns it. Yep. So that's a legitimate criticism of media is to look and say, who holds the purse strings?

Sure. Well, fucking somebody's holding Joe Rogan's purse strings and they're huge, heavy purse strings. Yeah. And he's, how is he not mainstream? He reaches 11 million motherfucking people. Show me the network news guy

that gets a hundred million dollar contract. Right. Show me that guy. Yeah. Because I don't think there is one. I can't think of one. I can't think of somebody so popular that they're right.

You know, maybe somebody's breaking a couple million. You know, maybe some really like maybe Bill O'Reilly in his heyday or maybe Rush Limbaugh was breaking a couple million when they, you know, when Rush was still alive. But man, a hundred million dollars they, you know, when Rush was still alive. But man, $100 million? $100 million. Are you kidding me?

Like that's a lottery winning, man. Yep. That's so much money that it's, that's more than fucking like really high level athletes making like the sports arena. And the sports is- It's bonkers money. Unbelievable money. Yeah.

It's fucking bonkers money. And, you know, we were talking earlier, and I think this is an It's bonkers money. Unbelievable money. Yeah. It's fucking bonkers money. And, you know, we were talking earlier, and I think this is an important point to bring up. You know, all the things that protect us from media, you know, all the ways in which we have to point out that media is doing the wrong thing and all the sort of safeguards we have, he doesn't have any of those.

None. He's just a guy asking, just a dude. He's literally us. He's a guy with a microphone. Yep. That's it. That's the only, the only thing that is,

that is in his, that is an inhibition to him at all is that he had to buy his own equipment. Yep. Yeah. And when you have real actual fucking journalism, right, you have real actual journalists

who are going to do that work. And those people can get fired if they do a bad job because they have bosses that they report to because, and they want to, there are prizes, big ones called like the Pulitzer that a lot of these guys would love to win. And they did a crazy thing called going to fucking school to learn how to do that job. All of that is gone. All of that, all those safeguards, the desire for a paper, for example, to remain credible and as a result to print retractions when they make mistakes

and to be, to hold sometimes their own stories feet to the fire when those mistakes are made. You've seen this. You've seen it. Quality journalism has oftentimes said, we done fucked. We're the ones. We fucked up.

Science does this, right? Who finds out a scientific study is bad? Other scientists do it. It's always others. So it's other journalists. But this idea that you're going to get better information from people who are uneducated in the process of delivering journalism to you. Uneducated in the process of asking good questions. Uneducated in the process of demanding

quality answers. Uneducated in any of the ethics around journalism. They're going to give you a better answer. They don't have any of the fucking resources to spend going out and doing anything. They Google shit. It's fucking Alex Jones with his fucking internet printouts all over his desk. It's literally, listen to his show. Hey, Jamie, Google that. Right. It's

literally, it's a fucking- 12 second fact check. Anybody can do this. Anybody can do what he's doing, right? Anybody can do it. And there's no pressure from anybody else. There's nobody there that would be like, you really fucked this up. You got to leave. That's the end of this. This show is canceled. Whatever. Because all that shit is built for entertainment, man. It's built for the lols. There's no safeguards, though, with Rogan. And Rogan has, he has more,

he has more viewership and less things holding him back. And I think that it's a real dangerous cocktail. It's really dangerous. And he has has every day, you know, he came out this week, earlier this week,

we did it for the first story we did, made mention of it, but he came out and said, I'm going to try to be better. And then 24 hours later, wasn't better. He's not going to be better. There's no pressure for him to be better. Yeah. You know, I thought about this the other day.

It's kind of the daily show problem. The daily show is an entertainment show, right? They're a comedy show, but they were a comedy show that mixed comedy with news stories, with kind of this like comedic analysis. And after a while, what happened with the daily show is people were getting pulled and they were saying, where do you get your news? And people were saying the daily show. A lot of people were getting their news from the daily show. saying The Daily Show. A lot of people are getting their news from The Daily Show. That's a fucking problem. That's not a good news source. Joe Rogan would tell you he's an entertainment show. He's not a journalist. He will tell you, I am a guy. I'm just here to have entertaining conversations with guests. That's fine. Except for that, if you ask people, where do you get your information

from? We covered this last week. People cite the Joe Rogan show as a place that they get information about their world. So he might say, hey man, it's just entertainment. But if people see it as more than entertainment, if they see it as a legitimate way to understand their world, there's a conflict there. It's the daily show problem. It's a bad way to get information. You should always get your information from information sites, not from social media, from those information sites. You should make an effort to go to those information sites. And then if you want to hear commentary about your news, hear commentary about your news. That's cool. That's totally fine. But be informed. Be informed first and then get your commentary about your news.

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energy units It's a current. It's just a current. Okay, great. So we found a stingray. What about water? Jesus Christ sister comes from wber W bi are the human remains locator forensic Forensic investigators develop tools they say can find bodies. Yeah. Well, hey, man. That sounds amazing, Tom. Yeah.

Well, yeah. Forensic investigators also use bite marks and other bullshit. So, like, why not this? Why not this, right? Why not? Yeah. So, I'm just going to read some of this, guys. Tell me if you hear any red flags.

If you do, we'll plant them in the ground by the bodies. That's where the bodies are. A nice Tennessee inventor said his new device may help forensic investigators do the hardest part of their jobs, finding more bones. Caliente. He said that the device, it's just two blue pills. He said that the device can find boners. Yeah, this thing is just sticking right up out of the ground. The rest of it's buried, but this one piece is just sticking right up.

It's like a mushroom. Just look for the mushroom. He said that the device could find bones buried in unmarked graves, even if those remains are centuries old. I laughed when I read that because I thought like, yeah, man, the ones that are buried by the marked graves are already pretty fucking easy to find. We know. Hey, here's one.

Hey, somebody put a big thing in front of this one. This job's so easy. Oh my God. You know what it says? It tells me when it was put in the crown. That's amazing. This new device is outstanding. Some guy's holding a fucking tomb to his head

like fucking car actions. He's got it spun around so he's trying to guess. And they're like, no, higher. Higher. Warmer. Warmer.

Warmer. Is it a boy? It's a man. It's a man. Let me see what I'm getting. Born 18 something, 19 something. 19?

100 years? Art Bohannon, forensic investigator who created the device, gave it a simple name. The Human Remains Locator. That's a good name, though. God, it's good. You want to make sure it's descriptive in the title when you put your U.S. patent out.

What would be a better name for it? It needs something like ShamWow has a good name. Yeah, right. You know? It needs to be like CorpseWow. CorpseWow. You know? Yeah. It needs to be like, CorpseWow! CorpseWow! You pick it up and you wring out a corpse. It sucks it up right out of the ground.

You just wring it out. How fucking baller would this infomercial be? You got to get that screamy guy that like bit the prostitute or whatever. Yeah. I was like... You remember that horrible guy? You're going to love my nuts.

Yeah, he was a Slap Chop guy too. Slap Chop? Yeah. He was the Sham Wild guy. There's another guy who screams at you. He's like, where he's like telling you about the boat that he cut in half.

Yes. Oh, you could do this, like the old Ronco ones where somebody's like walking around, like just digging in random spots. There's like all these like spots and he's like, there's got to be a better way.

And then this guy just, he rolls this fucking magic eight ball over the grace and he's like, just set it and forget it. He showed it off on one of Knoxville's oldest cemeteries combing through the brush

to find bones deep beneath his feet. He's in a cemetery. He's demonstrating it at a cemetery. That's like, isn't it like fishing in a stocked lake? Right? Holy shit. I bet he'll find bones.

I went hunting down at the stockyard. It's like, I couldn't miss. Couldn't miss. This place is full of them. I was shooting off the hip. The device uses, and I love this word,

technology, similar to how dowsing rods are meant to work, responding with swinging oscillations whenever it is pointed in the direction

of an unmarked grave. There's nothing over here between them, but when you move it back over here, it's an instant response as Bo Hannibal combing through the cemetery.

I'm getting a correlation between these stones sticking up out of the ground. What a fucking asshole. This is amazing, guys. He also said a second orb-like tool that hangs from a fishing line can help him determine

whether remains are male or female. It's a fucking magic eight ball. Oh, please say it goes pink or blue. Oh, that'd be amazing. This is a crazy gender reveal. Or it starts a forest fire. Like, every time he finds out it's a girl,

he just burns half the coast. I want, what I want is a fucking corpse locator that whenever it finds one, it says, I'll look not so good. I want the one that says, you'll get lucky. If the orb moves clockwise, the remains are female.

If it moves counterclockwise, they're male, he said. The size of the circular movement helps determine the age of the remains. Also, it'll move counterclockwise if you're in Australia. age of remains. Also, it'll move counterclockwise if you're in Australia. Critics dismiss dowsing and related

practices as quackery. They can mislead the public and build false hopes for families trying to lead loved ones. Because there's nothing to it. There never has been. And it's so cruel. And it's the cruelest. It's one of the cruelest scams out there. You know, we talk about like Sylvia Brown and people like that who made all of their money off of bilking.

Like people that are just in absolute pain and in living a nonstop tragedy. Right. Their life is a non-stop tragedy because someone died close to them or someone went missing close to them and they will just lie like Sylvia Brown

would just lie straight to him. This guy isn't doing anything. He's swinging a fucking pendulum. He's not doing anything. He's literally making it up as he goes along and he's going to lie

to somebody. At least this guy though, like you could dig a little and be like, hey man, I didn't find anything. Yeah, I know. It might be one of those things where he's like, yeah, but he's going to lie to somebody. At least this guy, though, like, you could dig a little and be like, hey, man, I didn't find anything. Yeah, I know. It might be one of those things where he's like, yeah, but he's under there. He's there.

Oh, I just keep digging. You just got to keep going. You just got to. When you hit the center of the earth, turn left. What is this, Minecraft? Find a diamond in there or something? Holy shit, he's in the fucking ender shit or whatever is down there. I fucking forgot.

I don't know what it's called. There's like a secret world or like an underworld or some shit. I don't know anything. I don't know. It looks so bad. It looks like such a bad video game.

I'm too stupid to play Minecraft. I'm genuinely not smart enough to play Minecraft. I remember when my son got Minecraft when he was six or seven, somewhere around there. And I remember taking a look at it. I'm like, well, what's the point of it? And he's like,

there's no point to it. And I'm like, why would I do it? He's like, you could do anything you want. I'm like, I can do anything I want in the real world. Yeah, I could already do that now. I understand a video game because it's like, it has a purpose. And generally, the purpose is the same thing. You got to get the key

and kill the guy. And it might not be in that order. Sure. But it's typically one of those. But Minecraft is like, well, you just wander around and then you dig sometimes.

And it's like, fucking, what? I own a shovel. I'm a grown-ass man. Yeah, there's a type of genre, though, that was... The sandbox, right?

Yeah, the sandbox genre that came out because of that. It's like, you know, like, yeah. And you just wander and explore and all that. You know, there are loosely based stories on those. Like, for instance, like Subnautica is a sandbox game,

but there is a story that you could follow if you wanted to. You could follow that story or you could just play in the sandbox. And those are your options, right? The same thing for like Astroneer and other stuff. There are all these games out there where there is a loose story that you could follow if you want, or you could just build a fun base, you know, like, and so that's fun for some people. And it's like Legos, right? It's like Legos, but it's like, you know, you know, and I'm not shitting on it. I'm shitting on me. I'm not smart enough. It's just not your thing. Because like,

I, I'm like, I don't know what to do. Yeah. And like, do whatever you want, but, but I don't know. You tell me what to do. I, there are some parts of my life where I'll just raise my hand and say, I'm fucking stupid. And I like to be told what to do. Like I go to the gym. I want someone to tell me what to do. If I go to the gym by myself, I look around perplexed. I dick around for 45 minutes, accomplish virtually nothing and go home. yeah it's pointless it's absolutely pointless if i go to the gym and there's a trainer i'm like yeah dude i'm fucking i'm your guy yeah video game is the same thing it's like follow me to the next level like yeah follow you like i got it bro fucking it's like what do we do now just play and i'm just like no my brain shuts off and i get a little panicky yeah no yeah yeah i can't there's a sandbox so this guy is gonna wave a fucking pendulum over see if

there's a body in right yeah this this would be like the dowsing thing if you're looking for water it is dowsing those dowsing guys with water they get the benefit of the doubt because if you just keep digging you often find water. It's just kind of under us. But like you were saying before, this guy, is his backyard where he tested this just full of bodies?

Did he buy like a weird serial killer house? He went to the cemetery to do it. When he was like, presumably Cecil, testing his prototype. Well, he had to kill somebody first, Tom, and then you got to put him in the ground. Well, I've got to make sure it time. And then you got to put them in the ground. That's all.

Well, I got to make sure it works. And you know, it's funny. Cause this guy in this article at the end is like, yeah, well, you know, it's hard to get a us patent for things that don't work.

And I'm just like, they fucking patented that fucking ghost box. That thing that like patents are, it's bullshit. It can be bullshit. And you can still get a patent for it. Yeah.

That's not the fucking... They don't... You don't show up to the patent office and demonstrate like it's fucking Shark Tank. You know? That's not how that fucking works.

You have to fucking mark Cuban like deciding whether or not to give you a fucking patent or not. Get the fuck out of here. This guy should go on Shark Tank. Oh my God. Because then they'd have to blindfold them. They'd have to have a. Oh my God. Cause then, cause then they'd have to,

they'd have to blindfold them. They'd have to have a body. They'd have to blindfold them. Then they have to have a bunch of bodies in a, in a, like a glass case that he'd have to see.

That'd be so much fun. Do you think he can find a live body that's buried? Like what if you like, he's not got a time limit too. Right. Like that movie where the guy's stuck in the thing.

Or like, what if like David Blaine is doing like some trick and you're like, you accidentally dig him up early or some shit and he's all mad about it. He's super mad, but he's David Blaine, so he's not really mad. He's just sort of like,

he's just sort of a little peeved and you can't really tell. Okay, guys, we were going to move on from this story. We were just going to walk away from this story without doing our due diligence as journalists. Hey, man, we're just asking questions. We're just asking questions, so we're going to walk away from the story without doing our due diligence as journalists. Outrageous. Hey, man, we're just asking questions.

We're just asking questions. So we're going to play this because this is so amazing. We didn't realize there was a video. I feel like Alexander Graham Bell when he had two tin cans and a string. We proved it works. Alexander Graham Bell didn't use a,

he didn't invent the tin can string phone. He did though. He did though. He did though with two Campbell's and then there was, so it was Alexander Graham Bell and then it was Edison and they were in their separate tree houses, Tom.

And they called each other. You should feel stupid. You should feel stupid. I thought that was Campbell's. Here we go. Campbell's cup of phone. Mom, could you eat your soup faster? I'm waiting for a call.

My girlfriend's supposed to call me, Mom. I'll call you after dinner when the soup cans are ready. Soup cans? I feel like Alexander Graham. You guys, also you have to see this. This video is amazing. This guy looks exactly how he sounds too.

Like he looks like you're, he looks, he kind of looks like my grandpa. And like, I loved my grandpa. My grandpa never said a true thing in his entire life. My grandpa was the biggest storyteller on this motherfucker on the planet. On the planet. There's a great Twilight Zone

where this like storyteller just tells stories all the time. On the planet. There's a great Twilight Zone where this like storyteller just tells stories all the time. Everybody asks him stuff and he'll just tell like the most outrageous story to them. How he's, they'll say, oh, you hear about this new weather thing?

He's like, well, I used to be a weatherman at this college. And he's like talking. And then he gets picked up by aliens who are going to, who think he's the smartest guy in the world because he's been talking

and they've been monitoring conversations and he's clearly like the smartest guy in the world because he's been talking and they've been monitoring conversations and he's clearly like the smartest guy in the world. Right. And then he's basically like, I'm a giant liar. And then they set him down and leave embarrassed. I only realized as an adult that I don't know anything about my grandfather

because like none of his stories. Because he lied the whole time. He just made up all these stories. Oh, it's amazing. And you're like, some of them may be true. Sure, yeah. But then like,

they can't all be true. Yeah, yeah. So you're like, I don't really know anything about that guy. I know what he told me and that might not be real. God, this thing looks hilarious.

It looks like somebody took, put a spring on a funnel that you put oil into your car. Yes. And it's just got random wires and alligator clips and shit sticking off of it. It looks ridiculous. It's like an orgone generator.

Oh, God. Orgone generator. That's my thing. Got it. If I could quit my job and be an orgone salesman. Oh. The money you can make from sticking wires in a bar of soap. Soap.

One East Tennessee inventor says a new device promises to revolutionize This is the dumbest looking thing you ever saw, guys. It's serious. Okay, so it is literally

two springy dowsing rods. They look like car antennas from like a 1987 fucking limo. They look like, yeah, one of those old limos that had like a cell phone back in the day.

Like with the little curly curly antenna. It's two of them and they're driven into like a wooden handle and they're kind of ones at an angle and one straight ahead. And this thing really just, all it does is it moves because someone is holding it. Yes. Right.

So just like a Ouija board would move if somebody's holding and touching the planchette. I think that's what they call it. Yep. It's not Kate planchette. I think that's what they call it. Yep. It's not Kate planchette. But this thing, you could recreate this thing with two wiggly dildos. You totally could.

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Why did they give this guy news time? Why is this guy on the news? I have no idea. He's just like a fucking random dude walking through the woods with fucking two springy things,

He's also an old guy walking through the woods so they have footage now of him taking these very tentative old man stuff. Very tentative stuff. Through the woods? You don't want to slip and break your hip.

Experts say their new devices can find bones buried in unmarked graves that are in some cases... Okay. So this guy is, he's standing over, literally standing over a grave. Here, guys, I don't need a fucking

he's got a string, like a string and a glass ball that he's spinning around. I don't need a fucking, he's got a string, like a string and a glass ball that he's spinning around. I don't need that at all. I will tell you, there's a body there. I don't need anybody else. There's a gravestone, man. It's also like his little orb on a string.

It looks like a cheap science fair project. It looks like this is his like, his like grandson's model of Saturn. And he just like took it off of the fucking diorama. Okay. That's all that it looks like. One of these ladies is his wife, right?

That's standing there. Do you think she really believes it or she's just there to support him? Man, she's just, he's like fucking whatever. He's tinkering in the garage. It makes him happy.

It makes him happy. We don't, we don't, he stays out of my begonias you know spinning his little thing around this is centuries old tennis reporter cole sullivan shows us those new devices in action and one of knoxville's oldest cemeteries here's one renown are you fucking kidding me tom, okay. He's in the middle of a cemetery. Also, he's walking through a field in the middle of the cemetery. There's graves over here on the left of him.

You can see them. But he says, here's one. Unless the next thing is that they dig up a body. I don't know if there's one there or not. See, so watch this. Here's one. Wait, maybe I lied about that. Who knows, right? You don't fucking know. Nobody's bringing an excavator in. Right. Hey, maybe I lied about that. Who knows, right?

You don't fucking know. Nobody's bringing an excavator in. Right. Hey, everybody listening, look down. There's one. Hey, Alexa, there's one. Music expert Art Bohannon looks for unmarked graves. There's one right there too.

He uses a homemade device with dowsing rod technology and a simple name, the Human Remains Locator. See, this does have nothing over here between them. Okay. Well, when you move it back over here, it's instant response. Okay. He's clearly wiggling it, too. Now he's got a different tool. How many human?

The first tool he had was like a ball on a string. It was like a glass ball on a string that he'd spin in sideways. Now he's got another tool, and it looks like a fork that's been split up a bunch of times. And so it's like a, it's like a spike that has several spikes that sort of come off of it. Have you ever gone to the camping store and gotten one of those things that lets you roast like six marshmallows at once? Yeah, it kind of looks like that. This looks like a six marshmallow roaster. Now it's spinning, but again, we can't see his grip on it. You can't see how he's holding it. All you can see is the bottom of it. They're like selectively, this news organization is selectively showing bad shots.

Yes, right. Also, like anything on a swivel will swivel. Yeah. That's why they're swivels. He says a second tool hanging from a fishing line can determine whether a body is male or female. Strong male, wasn't it? It turns clockwise for a man, counterclockwise for a woman. The size of the circle determines the size of the cock.

It's Irish. It's barely moving at all. Look at this thing. Got a long black cock right there. Determines the age. You didn't make it work. I didn't make it work. It's picking up the energyines the age. You didn't make it work. I didn't make it work. It's picking up

the energy from the ground. He's using antenna to determine or find or locate that electric field that's associated with bone.

What the fuck are you talking about? What electric field associated with bone? Why don't we harness this electric field? Why don't we just have like little fucking

air generators everywhere over fucking dead bodies? Literally everything dies and turns to bones. Every fucking living thing dies into every vertebrate, at least.

Yeah. Dies and turns. Why don't we just use all these things? You would get fucking electric. Remember those pictures where like, have you ever seen those pictures

in the history books of like huge fucking pyramids of fucking buffalo bones? Yeah. Dude, that shit would be like fucking shooting lightning out of it. It'd be like a Tesla core. Right. It'd be like shooting out of it.

Your hair would stand out if you were a hundred feet from it. When I was in the Czech Republic, Sarah and I went to a place called Kutna Hora. We went to the Kostas Ossuary, I think it's called. And it's a fucking bone church. I would have walked in and my hair would have been sticking straight on in. Holy shit. My fucking watch doesn't work in here. Get the fuck out of here.

Get out of here, fucking electric field bone bullshit. Here's the thing, man. That's a testable claim. Right. Show me your research. That's a testable claim. See, go to the fucking store. Buy a fucking 1999 multimeter.

Yeah. You know? And just press it on bones. Yeah, see what happens. Nothing's going to happen. See what happens. Forensic anthropologist Arpad Voss

has his own patented device which tracks residents' frequency waves, in this case, from a piece of bone. You know, you're out doing a search, nothing's happening,

nothing's happening, nothing's happening. All of a sudden, it begins oscillating. He says the quantum oscillator works over. Okay. The quantum oscillator, Cecil. Here's what we're viewing.

This guy has this dumb little thing that we explained earlier with the two springy things. And he's clearly depressing something right now that is making it spin back and forth. Right? So, like, what he's got is the top piece is now, as he says, oscillating. So the top spring is sort of swinging

back and forth when he pointed it at the bone. But he's clearly got his hands on this thing in some way that probably

depresses something that allows it to swing back and forth. Yeah, the bottom one is fixed. The top one is on a fucking swivel. Also,

if you just want that to swivel, you could just position your wrist and it a fucking swivel. Also, if you just want that to swivel, you could just position your wrist and it'll just swivel. It's so unstable. Things work. They move. Great distances.

Best I've done is about 75 miles. And can track specific... How on earth? How the fuck does that even work? 75 miles. So what does that even mean? That means that between you and this thing, there were no other intervening dead bodies.

Yeah. So there's not another, I, okay. I don't think that there's any place unless deeply rural America where within 75 miles, there's not a graveyard. There's not a graveyard.

Yeah. Are you fucking kidding me? And that's the, and that's the thing is like, okay, they're literally letting this person talk on television. It's not a graveyard. Yeah. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, and that's the thing. It's like, okay. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. They're literally letting this person talk on television. Right.

Is there going to be a single person who's going to say anything bad about this? No. Specific people using samples of their DNA. All the doubters out there, they can doubt all they want. I mean, if, you know, go get a patent. See how hard that is. That's excellent. Bohannon plans to file for one soon.

Just mark it. Potentially adding future tools to the toolbox to find bodies from the past. Reporting from Knoxville, I'm Cole Sullivan. Both inventors say they hope their devices can revolutionize forensics. For now, they're still working to fine-tune them. To fine-tune them, to make them work at all. Are you fucking serious? That aired on a fucking, on television.

That fucking aired on television and there was not a single person in there that came in and was like, that's all bullshit. Literally can't happen. That's literally lying. They're lying to you. There is no mechanism by which this could possibly work. It's unbelievable that that got play on.

I mean, I'm blown away. I wish it was unbelievable. I believe this so much. I believe it so much Cecil, because the news, the news is like, yeah,

whatever. It's cool. Like it's fights. It's fun. It's quirky. Like we'll just put it up there and there's no ability. We're not going to test and see if it's, if it's real or not real.

They just need to fill six minutes of time. That's what they did. That's it, man. That is terrifying. There are people that because this is on the news that's why they'll believe it. They'll believe it. Just like that guy saying, look man, it's hard to get a patent so it wouldn't be true if I didn't get a patent. There's going to be people like, look, if it weren't true it wouldn't be on the news.

You know what's crazy is all the shows on the Travel Channel and Discovery America that are ghost shows, they're presented as if they're documentaries. They're presented in a way to make you think

that they're real. Yeah. And, you know, this just lends credence to garbage like that. Yep. Absolutely. That is appalling

that they would put something like that on the news. Yep. You know, what sucks, Tom, is like we spent this time earlier in the episode talking about how there's no repercussions for Joe Rogan, right?

Yep. But this is appalling that this is on a news site, a TV news, I mean, this is a TV news station. Yeah. This was somebody's local nightly news. This was just a two and a half minute clip from somebody's local nightly news. This was just a two and a half minute clip from somebody's local nightly news. And it's complete bullshit.

The problem though, Cecil, is that the story as a story isn't bullshit. It is a story about bullshit presented as truth. And that's some shit to wade through, man. That's some real shit to wade through. If you're a journalist, you wouldn't get in trouble for telling this story because you didn't say anything that wasn't... Yeah. No, you're just telling what they're saying.

Yeah. Yeah. So he said, I didn't say it was true. He said he invented it. He said this is how it works. Yeah. The thing is that we have to have a responsibility to be skeptical for this shit. Don't we have some...

Why is there not somebody saying, look, this is not how fucking science works. Here's a fucking scientician. You know? What the fuck? I can't believe you can air something like this and get away with it as if it's news. Yeah, I... You asked me just a second ago, like, can we do something about this?

I don't think there's any reporting body. I don't know that there is. Maybe there is. Listeners, if you know if there is, let us know. Is there anybody that you can go to when this shit happens? Because I don't know that there is, man. I don't know that there is either. But there should be.

Part of me thinks that there should be. If you're putting blatantly false things out there, there should be somebody there to say, holy shit, you can't do that. Right. You know? It would be great

to have a news story about this news story. Right. Right? Look at this fucking W-Burr. Yeah. Look how fucking irresponsible their fucking journalism is.

Absolutely. Dowsing is bullshit, but even the bigger story here is you didn't do dick all to vet this as a real thing. To talk about it at all. You didn't put, and you know, the worst part is

is you gave these guys their entire time to talk and treated it like it was 100% true without any other side. Right. We talk about the news very often doing a really bad thing where they do these two sides thing where there's two sides on everything

and it always feels like they're equal. In this case, they didn't even do their due diligence to even give you a counterforce. Right, and they chose the bullshit side. Yeah, they chose the bullshit side. They chose the side that is just obviously and demonstrably untrue. Yeah. That defies

every known law of physics. God, it's unbelievable. Fuck. I've got to come clean. I had no idea I would get this far, but the fact of the matter is, I should not be president. Okay? I will f*** this country up beyond repair. I am a sick, angry little man. Please, if you care at all about the future of our country, vote for her.

Okay? She's the one who at least has some experience. She's not as bad as you think. I promise. And unlike me, she's actually capable of running this country. My opponent is a liar and he cannot be trusted. No! Oh my God, she is such a turd sandwich. Man, so this has just been all over the news this week. There's a bunch of stories about it.

So more shit keeps blowing up. Trump in a fucking interview again says the quiet part out loud. Yeah, so Trump admits that he wanted Pence to steal the election. What he said, he said Mike Pence had the authority to, in his words, overturn the election. Overturn the election. And he failed to do it. There's an acknowledgment in those words that what he wasn't trying to do was make sure that the election was accurate failed to do it there there's an acknowledgement in those words that what he wasn't trying to do was make sure that the election was accurate right right what he's been selling to

everybody is that there was a fraud that the result of the election was not accurate right right but that's bullshit because all the stuff that's coming out now shows very much that this was never and everybody knew this, but it's like, you need the evidence to know it, but you need the evidence. And he's fucking saying it out loud. Now he's saying, look, look, Pence could have just unilaterally and he couldn't have, but Trump's a fucking idiot and doesn't understand what shit works. Trump, Pence could have just unilaterally like chosen to overthrow or overturn the election. And he didn't do it. And you're like, dude, overturning elections is a coup. Yeah.

Yeah, man. And we wound up very close to losing in so many different ways. One of the ways that they talked about this was, this week I listened to the Daily when they talked about this big bombshell that dropped about Trump because the New York Times broke a story. And the story essentially goes like this.

A colonel that was sort of vaguely related to Flynn in some way had this idea that China stole our election through these voting machines. And so he convinced that Sidney Powell and Flynn to take this to the president. And the president immediately glabbed on it because what he wanted was something

that could confirm his biases, right? Any flimsy excuse. Any way he could confirm that he was actually the winner. And so he glabbed on to this. He reached out to Bill Barr immediately. Is there any way we can have the Justice Department seize these voting machines? And Bill Barr said, no, we can't do. We're not going to do that. They reached out to the Barr immediately. Is there any way we can have the Justice Department seize these voting machines? And Bill Barr said, no, we can't do that.

We're not going to do that. They reached out to the Department of Homeland Security. No, we're not going to do that. They reached out to the Pentagon. No, we're not going to send soldiers in to do that. He tried three different places to do it. The way they got it in front of him too, and this story is so crazy,

if you listen to the Daily, the way they get it in front of him is Flynn goes on Newsmax to talk about it because he knows that Trump is Flynn goes on Newsmax to talk about it because he knows that Trump is going to watch Newsmax. That's how, that's a fucking, that's fucking Dr. Strangelove crazy, Tom. It is. That is Dr. Strangelove crazy. And it happened less than a year ago. Yeah. And no, more than a year ago, but still, you know what I mean? Yeah. Then that's the exact way to put it. It is. Flynn can't even go to him directly.

He has to send this fucking message using this puppet news organization. He knows that it's going to wield more weight with Trump if he sees it on the TV versus looking the person in the face. That's terrifying. Fucking hell, man. That is terrifying.

The other thing that's crazy, and I can't believe I'm going to say this out loud, but one of the lines that stood between us and madness at one point was Rudy Giuliani. Rudy Giuliani. Can you believe this shit? Yeah, Rudy Giuliani actually said no to part of this. Yeah, Rudy Giuliani was in a room. Just let this wash over you guys.

Was in a room being the voice of reason at one point during this madness. During the same time period, guys, where fucking shoe polish was dripping into his eyes and he was having his four seasons total meltdown. Still the best thing ever. Fucking hell. That Rudy Giuliani, that guy at one point was in a room

where everyone was crazier than him. Where he was the voice of reason. Right room where everyone was crazier than him. Where he was the voice of reason. Where he was the conscience of America. Yes. Holy fuck. That's fucking terrifying. But, you know, here's the thing.

Trump has, Trump wanted this so bad. He wanted to do this so bad. And he wanted to change things so bad so that he could stay president. He did not want to leave office. He was very adamant that he didn't want to leave office and he tried everything he could to. I hope that there's somebody who turns this over at this point to a criminal investigation. God, I hope so. Because that's what the outcome can be from this January 6th thing is that if they can hand this over to the Justice Department, there could be something that could happen.

There could be something that can happen. But we're at this point now where we're over a year out after. They started this six months ago or something like that. And we're just starting to get past some of the court cases. Something's got to happen soon

because at 2022, at the end of this, the i mean we're talking nine months from now if if the democrats lose the house they're going to disband the committee they will disband this committee immediately so they don't they are they are that is anti-american because this is a committee that is looking into fraud real fraud yes in our voting real fraud in our voting. Real fraud by the president committed by the highest authority in the land. Yep.

For his own personal gain. Personal gain. I mean, imagine, imagine a democracy, any democracy in the world where the military

seized the voting machines at the request of the person in power. Holy fuck. Yeah. Say it out loud. That's some shit. That's some shit. That's some shit that happens in like fucking third world banana republic bullshit countries

that don't have real democracy. I'm very worried about 2024's election. Fuck. Because these people are just, they've been being tuned up for a couple of years. I know, man. I know. I mean, I would not be surprised if there's going to be shootings at couple of years. I know, man. I know. I mean, I would not be surprised if there's going to be shootings

at some of these. I wouldn't be surprised if there was going to be... I don't think you're wrong, man. I think these people have been poisoning the well so much over this bullshit over the last year

that there are people out there where there's a story this week, we're not going to get to it, but there's a story in Michigan where two people that are literally running for two of the highest offices in the land tell people who are in their little tiny,

I mean, it's the tiniest little room too. It is no shit, like 20 people in this room, but they're being televised and they tell people two things. One, if you suspect anything wrong going on, unplug the voting machine. And the other guy says, come locked and loaded. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, he says. And the other guy says, come locked and loaded. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he says like, the one guy's like, you know, the time for pussy footing around is over basically. Bring a gun. This is Michigan. I mean, holy shit. Gubernatorial candidate. Right.

Michigan and like secretary of state candidate. I mean, Michigan, this same state where fucking like homebred terrorists hatched a plot to kidnap the fucking governor. Yeah. Because they were so tuned up about this shit. And this is happening all over the country. These people will not denounce it. These high up Republicans will not denounce it.

They have made this bed. And this could be a genuine tragedy for democracy in our country because you have millions of people in this country so tuned up over this perceived slight. Well, and fucking Trump keeps pouring gas on the fire. Yeah. The only thing that is going to help is this just needs to play out, be done, and die out.

People need to go fucking wake up and go back to work and just live their lives and have things kind of return to some semblance of normalcy. But part of the problem is that nothing about life feels normal still. Everything still feels weird and uncertain. And you've still got these fucking fire-breathing assholes just constantly just fucking huffing and puffing and making the conflagration worse and worse and worse.

I don't know that this goes away. I don't know that it has the time. Fuck you. Suffer in silence. You're a fucking piece of shit. You're no good. And you're a worthless fucking person to humanity. You contribute nothing.

Go back to your fucking rock that you live under and never fucking come out again, you worthless piece of shit. Holy shit. The story's from the Washington Post. Michigan GOP governor candidate said rape victims shouldn't have abortions and guys i wish you could see this because the woman who is in this video next to him she looks so fucking appalled like she at one point she like

closes her eyes when he's talking like i fucking cannot believe i'm here all right so let me play this i'm just gonna play this audio and then get it. There's a lot of situations out there when you talk about rape and everything else. And hey, maybe they deserve an abortion. We're always going to fight for life. And I have a great personal story of one of my mentors. And he was going through life and he was adopted. So he started to look up his birth family to figure out who they were. And he figured out that his mom was gang raped in a subway train station

by five guys. And it kind of like tore out his heart when he found that out. But then he started to really appreciate and understand what his birth mother went through, that she had the courage to deliver him. And since then, since he was delivered, he has helped thousands of people be better versions of themselves. And so what we must start to focus on is not only to defend the DNA when it's created. But however, how about we start inspiring women in the culture to let them understand and know how heroic they are and how unbelievable that they are, that God put them in this moment and they don't know that little baby inside them may be the next president, may be the next person that changes humanity, may get us out of the situation, maybe in the future. We don't know that. That is what we must do is start to create that culture.

And there's already a culture for that. Catholic Charities is a great one that they help these moms go through and deliver and give these kids up for adoption. I have lots of friends who have adopted kids because they can't have children naturally. And so we must always, always protect that DNA and allow it to have a voice. You know, what if it was going to be Hitler though? You know, like, I mean, I think it cuts both ways homeboy. You know what I mean? Like your fucking stupid argument of ripping autonomy from women cuts both fucking ways. First off,

fucking some dude gets to tell all the women in his state that they can't fucking get an abortion because they've fucking been gang raped or whatever. You know, like that's an inspiring story to this guy. That's somehow inspiring. But then specifically it cuts both ways. You know, like if it could be the next hitler so

maybe we maybe we played our cards right yeah well it's it's like holy shit first of all bro uh i don't give a shit if that person was going to be the next president i don't care who the next president if that means that some woman has to be further fucking victimized and traumatized fuck it well you know what we'll elect someone else turns out there's going to be further fucking victimized and traumatized. Fuck it. Well, you know what? We'll elect someone else. Turns out there's going to be somebody else. It's not like we weren't going to elect somebody because the fucking, well, we were going to elect this baby,

but it never got born. You fucking asshole. You stupid fucking asshole. You know how many women I want to traumatize? Zero women. Zero women. Because I'm not a monster. Zero women.

That's a crazy thing to say you tom and then just to like just to be like yeah i have this story yeah man really tragic and maybe it happened and maybe it didn't happen i know right right but also like no one heard of this guy yeah i thought about that as soon as i heard that i'm like i never heard about your friend i've never fucking heard about him the thing is like your friend didn't inspire thousands of people fucking nobody knows that guy nobody knows him it's not worth fucking victimizing and traumatizing a woman so that like because most people turn into nobody right i'll raise my hand most of us are fucking nobody there's like a handful of people in all of history who fucking rise up out of the great teaming seething masses

and become the big somebodies right there's all but the rest of us we're fucking schmucks and we don't need to be here at all what's going to happen is is a hundred years down the road there's gonna be some asshole swinging a pendulum over my grave right to tell me if there's bones right look man i don't matter i don't matter. I don't matter. None of it. Like almost nobody you've ever met fucking matters at all. If I was never born, the world would look exactly the same. Very, very similar.

Nothing would change. Nothing. There's a butterfly effect, but there's no Cecil effect. Right, right. It's like, what are you talking about? Yeah, and you're absolutely right. Like you're absolutely right. You're basically saying,

I don't care what this does to you. Right. I don't care what this does to you. You should fucking love this. Right. You should love what's happening to you. Yep. You're the fucking miracle of creation, and I want you to fucking wallow in it.

That's what he's saying. And also he's suggesting that there is some compensatory price which makes that woman's trauma worth it. Worth it. I'll give up. Look,

maybe it was Van Gogh. I'll fucking sell. I'll burn every Van Gogh on a pyre if it means one woman isn't traumatized and has to fucking give birth to a great baby

she doesn't want to give birth to. And you know, like, and they always talk about it as if it's a full-fledged adult. Yes. They know, like, like, and, and they always talk about it as if it's a full fledged adult. They're just like, yeah, no.

And it went to college and it could have been the president. His name was Charlie, you know? And you're just like, yeah, man, it's like fucking seven cells. And she took a fucking,

she didn't even get a procedure because she got raped and she went somewhere and said, I got raped in the city. Here, take this thing and then she didn't have a baby and nobody knew whether she was fucking pregnant or not. But when your fucking draconian

shitty laws come into place and like, nope, stick a fucking ultrasound up there and name it fucking Bill because you got to read it a bedtime story before we take it out of you. Yep.

Man, this fucking shit is so unbelievably awful. It is so awful. And it's 100% of the time, it's dudes telling women what they got to do. It's always dudes. It's always dudes. It's always fucking rarely women. I know there are some. But it's so rare, man.

When it comes to politicians, yeah, there's some. But it's mostly just guys being like, I don't like it. Right. Yeah. Yes, it's dudes, man. Yeah, there's some, but it's mostly just guys being like, I don't like it. Right, yeah. Well, you know what? You're not getting raped by five dudes on the subway, motherfucker. No kidding.

You know what? Your chances of getting pregnant, pretty much fucking zero. So like, that's some shit. You don't, I think about that shit all the time. It's like, if I don't have to fucking do it,

I don't get to fucking talk about it. Yeah. Like, and that's true for like big things and little things. Right. So like I have a very low likelihood of being raped and impregnated. Yeah. Right.

Pretty much that's not happening. So like, I don't get to, that's not, I don't have it. I don't get to have an opinion. My opinion is, well,

what do you think you might, it could happen to you. Yeah. Literally can't happen to me. Like my job is to shut the fuck up and listen yeah why i don't understand how that's a hard concept shut the fuck up and listen you have no skin in that game man yeah no skin in that game it's a real easy concept and and the problem is is that he's just he wants to he wants to show you how pro-life he is because he knows that tunes up the voters. Yes, that's all it is.

Because he has created a fantasy in which a fucking fetus gets fucking shot out like a t-shirt gun and goes to college while it's in the air and then lands in the White House. It shows up in the air. It's like sculpting shit. Exactly. Like fucking Banksy-ing some stuff on the way down. It paints like seven van goes right goes to college writes the quintessential

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