Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 627: Alex Jones Bankruptcy with Knowledge Fight

Episode Date: May 2, 2022

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This episode of Cognitive Dissonance is brought to you by our patrons. You fucking rock. Be advised that this show is not for children, the faint of heart, or the easily offended. The explicit tag is there for a reason. recording live from glory old studios in chicago and beyond this This is Cognitive Dissonance. Every episode we blast anyone who gets in our way. We bring critical thinking, skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big, or makes us mad. It's skeptical. It's political. And there is no welcome mat.

This is episode 627, which I did not have to look over at our cheat sheet to figure out. And we are joined by Knowledge Fight. And we are joined by the guys from Knowledge Fight because, guys, we are one step closer to our dream. Yes. Of getting the InfoWars desk. It was so close. It was within our grasp. I thought it was because you joined us in the 600 club.

You know? I mean, it took you a little bit longer. That's all I'm saying, but you made it and that's the important part. Some people prize the amount of time you take on things. That's sometimes prized. What is it when you're not quality or quantity?

Speaking of which, I noticed you said that you're recording from Chicago and beyond is beyond. Does that mean the burbs beyond is the burbs beyond is the burbs. We had to switch during a COVID because we were recording multiple different places and so now it still stays chicago because chicago's in our hearts hey let me ask you a question you ever say to somebody after they're like oh i'm from chicago and you're like uh are you and they're like i'm from evanston i'm one of those guys have you ever done that to anyone else i'm one of those guys i i i still actually tell people i i live in chicago so i don't have to deal with the bullshit

i tell people i'm from chicago because i lived there from like first grade to fifth grade i admittedly admittedly i lived like almost half my life in the city of chicago so i get i and i and i'm probably older than both of you so i get to i get i get you got the crud I lived like almost half my life in the city of Chicago. So I get, I, and I, and I'm probably older than both of you. So I get to, I get, I get, let me ask you a question.

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no, no, no, no, no, my chair from inside the house. I shoveled off my stoop in Chicago and I dragged it out and I saved my fucking spot with dibs. Thank you very much. Fair enough. Alright, you win. And a true Chicagoan knows what the fuck I just said.

I'm an actor, Denny. Personally, I live in Gary, Indiana and tell everyone I live in Chicago. I do the reverse. Right, right, right. That's where he gets his guns. That's the way you got to go. No, yeah.

They're like fucking free with every Happy Meal in Gary, Indiana. Are you kidding me? Well, thanks for having us, guys. Thanks for coming on. Thank you guys so much. So we wanted to have you on, I think, last week would have been ideal when the news broke, but Alex Jones filing for bankruptcy.

Yeah, yeah. Pulling some sneaky moves. That guy. Well, what are you suggesting? How dare you, by the way, that this is a strategic bankruptcy to avoid any real liability? Outrageous. I have some feelings it might be.

It feels like it might be. What? To impugn his good name on this program. Sir, how dare you? Something I've never done in the past. I mean, it was weird. I haven't paid my taxes this year, but I created a different company just a few weeks ago

that has zero assets and only debts and i filed my taxes under that somehow somehow they owe me money it's crazy how that works jordan corp hyper global compu mega nets i i've been having a really difficult time even keeping up with what's going on like with his behaviors because you know you had this like the trial for the sandy hooks uh cases in texas was supposed to be starting this week um and then there was the bankruptcy and then he did a money bomb to try and raise uh two million dollars to get him off the hook for some stuff what the fuck is a money bomb why aren't we doing money bombs i was what is a money

bomb and how do we set on keep going money bomb it's like a pledge drive it was it was popularized like by the ron paul uh era like the terminology comes from like the 2008 Ron Paul primary. Ironically, Max FunCon is going on right now in case anyone That's a money bomb. That's a money bomb. Yeah. So he did one of those trying to raise $2 million and then immediately

after it on Monday of this week, he just got on his show and was like, what's coming cannot be stopped. We're all going to die. We're all dead. Everyone is meaningless. Wait, really? How much did he raise? At least a million.

Yeah. According to his website. Yeah. Okay. But watch this. We raised a million and a half. According to this podcast. But also, maybe I didn't.

I didn't. Well, you got to get a website. You got to get a website with one of those little thermometers that shows the amounts donated. There's a ticker. You can't trick the ticker. That is true. If you have the thermometer, the thermometer can't be fooled. Don't be ridiculous.

I feel stupid. I bet you do. I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed that I even brought this up. I was skeptical until I saw the ticker, to be honest. Did he have like a 24-hour telethon did did he have like guests come on 48 hours fucking yeah real oh for real he did but he's not on air the whole time he's on air for basically like his show and maybe one extra hour slap i would give any sum of money to see fucking hour 39 of Alex Jones. Episode 224, true believers. That would be so much.

Alex is just losing it. Can you imagine he's fucking exhausted? He's hopped up on whatever's keeping him fucking standing. He's just constantly doing bumps on the air. I love that you feel like we need to imagine this. This is literally something that we've done a show about yeah ironically though like I would imagine that you know we get would get slap happy

and not be able to tell the difference between fiction and reality at our 30 but because that's Alex's default state I bet when he's like really gone he is completely lucid wouldn't that be amazing he just he just like looks seriously into the camera he's like I just that be amazing? He just looks seriously into the camera and he's like, I just gotta be real

for a moment. I hurt inside all the time. And the grin just dawned on me that the movie's unreal. The wound inside me. Toss this out, alright? This is a man who claims he's a psychic, who claims he can see the future and claims that he can talk to God.

Now, we don't have any evidence of this, but maybe that's just because he hasn't been awake for 40 hours straight in our presence. Like it's always possible. It's true. Keep an open mind. Yeah. Again,

when you say that, I feel stupid. I mean, you guys seem a little bit skeptical. Frankly, I also, I also wound up reading this this week that uh marjorie taylor green is going to invite him and several other people to the to the white and to i guess congress or something to talk have a round table on twitter because now that elon bought

twitter he's gonna let all these fucking dirt bags back on and alex jones is one of them we'll see we'll see if that plays out i mean i know the prevailing theory is like people think that elon sure yeah that's what they suggest i mean who knows and he may he may i know that alex said that he applied to get back on twitter uh he put those like paperwork in or whatever but i don't know yeah is there a formal paperwork that you have to file with Twitter to get reinstated? I think there's a form at least, like an online form. Is it like oopsie doodle, I was a racist? Like how does that, like what do you fill out?

Like, all right. It's like a checkbox. I do not mean to say that. I don't hate gay people. Don't check. I totally get that. All right. I don't hate black people. Don't check. I totally get that. All right. I don't hate black people.

All right. Well, I'm not going to put a check mark on that, but I'll put a little bit of it. I'll smudge my pan around. I'm not going to say what I think about it, but I'll color that one in. Is it like getting like a Floyd card in Illinois where it's like, I promise I won't shoot anyone today. Today. With a gun or i'm not crazy right now maybe it could be like the sliding scale where like how much do you hate gay people you have to slide it and if you go to a certain level then they let you back in you know

so who knows wow that might actually be an accurate reflection of the normal human experience you know like deep down a lot of us socioculturally have been indoctrinated with a certain amount of prejudice regarding any minority group maybe what you've stumbled upon is something that we can use to learn in the future there's like you're going to fill out this form and there's this intense like self-reflection you put the form away for weeks while you're just pondering your inner nature like man i just drag go to your therapist three times a week like you got some shit you're working out to get back on twitter all of a sudden twitter's a kinder gentler place

i mean yeah again it seems funny but also maybe that's a good idea you gotta get six months of therapy signed off on you have to go on an ayahuasca retreat you have to take a driver's class why not well you are you dubious by the way that elon because elon musk has said he's come out and said like that he's a free speech absolutist those are his it's a stupid fucking thing to call yourself he's a stupid fucking man but like and he's not and he's super not where he's absolutely that is a liar's statement he is a not a free speech absolutist at all when it comes to speech that is ever remotely critical of he wants to like review all people's articles about him before they print yeah you're a free speech absolutist that's what every free speech absolutist

wants but but i i think given that public stance because what he really means is I would like the world to be full of trolls and dishonest people filling the public sphere with garbage. That's what free speech absolutist means. In the Twitter context, yes, for sure. Yeah. I want aggressive and malicious shitposting all over the place. I want everything to turn into a mean-spirited joke until reality is indistinguishable from bullying. And that is what free speech absolutism is. So do you think there's any hope that that's not going to happen?

Because you seem to be a moment dubious. How about maybe I can put it to you in the best possible way like uh as somebody who is uh also bipolar and lazy uh i could spend a lot of money instantaneously on a thing that i will instantly lose interest with that smarter people will tell me not to touch that That's kind of a little bit. I'm just telling you what will happen 100% because I know. I'm dubious even of like if things are going to happen. Like I've seen some people talking about the possibility that like,

you know, the deal still could fall through. As a lazy bipolar person who has left five different colleges. But you applied. did right you made it you made an introductory deal and then it fell through and then it fell through what are you gonna do i don't know i think it's all so like crazy and chaotic that like i don't know i it's hard to make any kind of predictions about what is gonna happen at least from my perspective i would be surprised if alex shows back up though that's my really why is it wow because you think you get him why yeah i don't i think it's better for him to not be there at this point i see what you're saying like censorship is kind of his bread and butter now even elon musk won't let me back on yeah just like somehow screw it up and don't come back and then be like,

I am so dangerous. Not even pseudo, uh, the free speech folks, tech bros, like Elon Musk, love me, but the globalists won't even let him keep me on.

That's how much that, yeah. I mean, the reptile fingers type faster to ban you. If Eli was just like no bro come back like we let you go back it's like no no no you don't want me back you don't want me back i've been banned yeah welcome i've been banned his website is banned dot video like his his whole like argument of his own credibility relies on him not being allowed places if he gets back on

twitter it has to be called reinstated dot video like that's the problem. You gotta redo the whole thing saved by musk dot video starring Kelly Slater. It's dumb. It's his

brand is is it doesn't work with this, but I don't know. We'll see. We we'll see so are we getting the desk oh god we're getting eventually god it's just it i think it just got pushed down the road road we were gonna be in austin for the trial and yes i would have gone and so you're gonna be down there yeah we were gonna go and do like reporting on the trial. We were going to do like pretend we were journalists. You guys took this idea of let's do a show on Alex Jones to a level that nobody would have thought this would. This is a level.

It's outstanding. This is a level. Yeah. This is great. We've stumbled ass backwards into a lot of it. But yeah, why not lean in? Lean in. Fuck yeah. That's awesome. Fucking right, of it but yeah it's why not lean in i mean yeah fuck yeah that's right man i think it's great yeah it's not yeah this is not a criticism this is admiration yeah man hey at the end of the day so far as our overhead stays low

considering we still record in dan's bedroom well no no that's wrong. That's wrong, but it also does appear to be quite dirty. We've upgraded from the bedroom. It's not according to me, Dan. It's according to the New York Times. The veteran of New York Times.

It's a broad consensus. That is fair. I didn't hear it earlier. Did they describe it? I didn't hear it earlier. Did they describe it as like squalid? What did they say? No, no, no. I wasn't saying that. I wasn't saying it as like your place is squalid.

I'm just saying they have a big vocabulary. How did they describe your hobo dad? I would never say. Right, right, right. No, and I understand that. But squalid is that level of adjective where you're like oh do you look uh are you like 75 years old and you're like no i'm 40 what what uh why did you say 75 so you don't get around that has an implication all its own sir yeah they used

they called it rumpled which i guess has like a certain amount of endearing quality it is like it's kind of adorable like that's fine it's rumpled no that's great yeah yeah if i was having a bad day i'd fuck a dude in a rumpled apartment that's fine that's what i rely on people having bad days if i was i love that your home is if I was having a bad day, I'd settle for this. Hey, his mattress isn't even on the floor. I'll tell you that right now. I got mugged on the L, but I'd fuck in this rumpled room right now. I'm really sorry.

I don't know if you caught that on the audio, but Jordan just under his breath said, I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to be mean. Now I feel mean. You're in a weird mood. If you're going to apologize, it's a good result. Brutal. Oh, boy. Brutal.

Let's roll back. Let's roll back. You're going to be down there. Yeah. Like you were planning. Yeah. Yeah. We were planning to actually I mean, I don't know how much Jordan would sit through necessarily, but I was going to be like in a room watching the trial the whole time and like maybe taking notes on stuff and yeah i was gonna immerse myself in it and then in the time that we were down in austin obviously like take advantage of fun local spots uh maybe make a sign uh pick it outside info wars with like i like, I want the desk.

Sell me your desk, you coward. I was even going to do a couple of stand-up shows out of fucking nowhere. Like I haven't for a long time. Like it was going to be a serious deal. Yeah, but the bankruptcy ended up postponing the trial. And so that can got kicked down the road. Which is why you did the bankruptcy in the first place. Well, we can't know for sure, but it appears that is the case. Fine, fine.

Well, in civil litigation, whenever something, an entity that is being sued goes bankrupt or declares bankruptcy, it puts a halt to the proceedings. I declare bankruptcy! That's exactly it. Well, I mean. It's a kill switch, basically. You laugh at that, but that's how the Sackler family tried to avoid having any personal responsibility for murdering millions of people, you know?

So it is kind of that. That's kind of what Alex was trying to do. The only problem is he can't declare bankruptcy on himself, or maybe he could, but he can't declare bankruptcy on himself or maybe he could but he won't yeah himself or free speech systems which is the umbrella company all the other ones because those ones actually have money it would introduce uh possible findings and some weirdness that he probably didn't want to even open up to to the light so you know you have these these other shell companies you declare bankruptcy on it's enough to get the case postponed but but

it doesn't ultimately solve the problem because no no he hasn't had the the judge has the judgment been rendered against him at this point because you can't bank up the judgment so like no no the judgment has not the internal like he's been uh found guilty by default in these cases, but he has not had an amount of damages. I see. So so the bankruptcy, I see what you mean. So the bankruptcy is just a pause button to confuse the issue for a little while. But it's a price we can hide some money, tuck it under his massively illegal. And I think that he's not going to be able to do that. I think that that would be massively illegal and i think that he's not going to be able to do that i think that that would be just found guilty of massively illegally

doing well i mean i mean put it this way the government the government for the past uh my entire life has focused as much as possible on making sure that no one will face uh any consequences no one rich will face any consequences. No one rich will face any consequences for their crimes. And even the government sent a letter to the bankruptcy court being like, listen, this is fucking nuts. You can't

allow him to do this. Come on. Even we are like, fuck off. The U.S. trustees had some comments about like, this might be an abuse of the bankruptcy system we're not sure guys but this looks a little suspicious the point the belligerent muscle man over there with the tank that he yells at people with the the point that i was getting at though with the uh the massively illegal thing is like i think it

would take it out of civil into criminal illegality right and so i don't think he wants to ever run into any issue where like he might go to prison i think as long as it's like financial consequences and stuff he can sort of put off and like try and get tangled up in right movements and motions and stuff like that he's fine with that but uh going to jail i think he is scared of how do we have any sense of how wealthy he really is massively yeah like fucking wealthy is he is he like for real i think so wealthy i think so i mean well again this is tough because i'm used to living on ramen and like, you know, the last 20 years of my life. I can actually see the remains of all your last meals on your desk right now.

Oh, Jesus. Certainly got to catch up. I have, you know, I have because I have I have a skewed sense of like what really wealthy is. But I mean, Alex has a boat. He's got multiple houses. He's doing good. That's wealthy. Yeah.

You got an extra house. You know, nobody just lands in that house and isn't wealthy. When you're like boat, I'm like, I could have like a little fishing boat or something. But no, you've got an extra house. Another old house. Right. When you're like, I could shit and not flush

and just leave the house and go shit in a fresh house. That's pretty wealthy. Pretty wealthy. That's pretty wealthy. Yeah. I mean, I think money is only really real to people like us. Like, so like pull out Elon Musk, you know, like, okay, Alex is wealthy as shit, but Elon Musk is worth 250 some odd billion dollars. Comically wealthy.

Yeah. Ridicically wealthy. Yeah, ridiculously wealthy. But at the same time, if the Tesla stock goes down by 25%, suddenly Elon Musk is only worth $200 billion. Right. That doesn't mean any fucking thing. In a month, he's going to be worth $280 billion. None of it's real.

So Alex is rich enough to the point where money is pretend and that's what's really i see that i see you know that's that that is actually a great way to think about like when when it's like when you never are concerned about what something costs before you decide you want to buy exactly money right never and also like he has a system in place where he can like pawn off these uh expenses and stuff really easily like yeah for instance he just got hit with that million dollar settlement or not settlement the sanctions in the case he had to pay all the the legal fees and stuff for these plaintiffs and then he turns around and does a money bomb and tries to raise a million dollars suspiciously about the amount he owes for

these sanctions right he can get his audience to bail him out of trouble all the time and so like there's a certain amount of like being wealthy i think that is attached to that like yeah there's that safety net and umbrella of being able to con these this wide audience i mean imagine if my bright spot one day was like hey my bright spot is i got a 300 ticket and my tar got my car got towed so i need 450 extra dollars on top of that my bright spot is I got a $300 ticket and my car got towed, so I need $450 extra on top of that. My bright spot is I need $750, and we are having a money bomb right now

for exactly $750, if anybody would like to donate. But it's not because of that. It's because that's what we need to stay on air. We need to survive, and honestly, if you don't give me the $750, probably everybody's going to die. The devil has decided that we all are going to die.

Yeah. What is crazy to me, though, is like, I imagine, so back in the day, he was on Twitter. He was on YouTube. He had lots of reach. I think it could be argued that he might have had more reach back then, I think, than he has now and he was able to just out of nowhere raise a million dollars for like i can't imagine how bad

that was back then right like back when he was like i know at his height what the well i mean i think that you have already rightly speculated that maybe he didn't raise a million dollars. But from all the available information we have, he did. But yeah, I mean, he's got a, you know, there's a lot of people who are still into him. You know, he has a radio and shortwave audience that maybe weren't watching on YouTube anyway. So, you know, maybe not affected by that. I think him being off twitter is more profitable for his reach than being on it um and i think a lot of people who watched his stuff or you know like a lot of people were hate watching it or joke watching it you know i see a lot of a lot

of the reach that he had in mainstream platforms is partially artificial i see and then now you just have people who do have accounts yeah you got people but they're posting his stuff and like alex was right about everything and like some of that stuff has a taboo nature to it and there's something sort of subversive about it and that lures people in i think even better than i mean a lot of us followed donald trump on twitter when he was on twitter i know i did and i certainly didn't believe or take anything he said as well i mean the the at the height of his popularity consider it uh this way how many people were buying his shit you know right yeah so if you're buying the product so i mean you know

maybe 0.05 percent of his audience bought his shit at the height of his popularity and now 5% of his audience buys his shit at his level of property now. It's the same number of people buying shit. Those numbers could have easily gone up with the impression of persecution and the severity of like

we need you to come and be the patriots who support the new american revolution i hate to i hate to bring in my extensive business knowledge but what's more important is conversion rate all right that's what you need to deal with it's conversion rate not total revenue where'd you learn this i don't't know. Pretend school. One of the five. One of the five? One of the five? I don't know. It's up there. That's what I had for you.

It was professor, you know. Dropped out of all these schools. As far as I know, your resume includes being on a podcast. True. Selling ear things. That's all you need. Ear things. That's what you've got. That's all of businesses. Like hearing aids.

I couldn't come up with that word. I thought it was like ear gauges. You sound like the big gauge things that they put in their ears. That's what I thought you were talking about. The ear gauge game, though, it is all about conversion.

That's also true. A lot of money in ear gauges. Can't punch a hole in that market. How long is he going to be able to put this, kick this can down the road, do you think? Do you guys have any grasp on that? I have no idea. I don't think appeals will work

because of the losing by default judgment. I don't know if he really has anything. That's a rough one. I don't know what he has to appeal because it's not like... I think what's even worse than that, not just I don't know what he has to appeal, it's not like I think what's even I think what's even worse than that. Not just I don't know what he has to appeal, but I think he might have. And his lawyers.

One of the reasons that Bill Ogden in one of the depositions was like, hey, maybe you should sue your lawyers. The plaintiff's lawyer was like, listen, he was telling Owen Troyer this. Your attorneys are so bad. maybe at the end of this you should sue your attorneys for malpractice yeah now further on but part of the reason he said that is because he was like owen if you get a lot of money from suing your attorneys for malpractice which you should do we're gonna take that money also yeah that will be an asset that is collectible that's ours too yeah but even uh uh what was where was my point going i'm not sure oh shit i was so close to having one oh yeah no something about the uh uh one thing is that it is

entirely possible that alex's lawyers forgot to file paperwork uh at a point early enough to even qualify for an appeal after the uh the judgment so it may just be complete in in uh i mean incompetence incompetence yeah i i'm not sure how much of that will come into play but even just like on the issues i'm not sure if there's much to appeal um in terms of like things that could push back the trials uh the bankruptcy is really like a panic button kind of thing it's it's sort of a measure of last resort and i don't know what other tricks there are after this um that said i'm not sure when a trial would be rescheduled to so putting a time frame on it exactly is kind of hard, but I can't imagine it being pushed back further than like,

I don't know, fall maybe. Are you going to go back down to Austin? Yeah. Hell yeah. Oh, yeah. We're going to be there. I mean, my parents. Oh, wait.

My parents might not live there by then. Shit. My parents live in Austinin now but are moving so past past this bankruptcy it seems like his next move to delay the trial is showing up and then being like smoke bomb and disappearing all right sacred pact right now if you guys go down to austin and you let us know tom and i will fly down there and take you guys out to dinner. Oh, that'd be fun. Wow. Or also another offer I'd make is we'll come on

and do a report. Yes. Yes. That would be super. It would be awesome. We go down. We'll go down and we'll buy you guys dinner and hang out with you guys for a night. And just yammer about Alex Jones. It'll be'll be a blast best case scenario we rent a moving truck we put a

fucking desk in that bitch and we drive that fucker back from texas i i don't care if alex is sitting at his desk we're gonna pick it up while he's there with him wheel his ass out to the u-haul and take him where are you taking me on? Oh God, that'd be so amazing if you could buy Alex in the settlement. You're making him do like household chores to work his... He's like in debtor's prison though. I would put him in a French maid outfit and make him mow the lawn. Amazing.

Hi, you're getting real weird. That maid outfit's going to need a really serious neck what is that a 54 inch chest what's going on over there he is fucking he's big he's enormous barreled guy he's big god i love the idea of you guys flying down to austin to meet us there for dinner when we live in the same city. Hold on real quick. Do we live in the same

city? Shots fired. I would like to point your attention to the chair that's in my spot in the city. Thank you very much. Dibs. Dibs. Yeah, this has all been like a really frustrating couple weeks being someone who follows alex for sure like this this up and down in and out like and that's not even like factoring in just the

annoyance of the like travel plans being there and then going away yeah just this this whole my cheap ass flight tickets were non-refundable. Oh! But they were cheap as hell. Did you call Spirit and yell at him? I'll bite the cost. They were cheap as shit. Yeah, it's all just crazy. You think this is all finally coming to a head, and then it's not.

I don't know. It's hard to predict. Has any of this affected his true believer? Do you think his true believer base has changed up or down? What do you think the effect of all this has been on the bullshit believers? I don't know. I can't get a sense of that. It's real hard.

I mean, I have to assume at a certain point they'll start to figure this out. I mean, it's very transparent now with the you know the money bomb and such but i need the amount of money equal to the amount of money i owe never mind the coincidence that doesn't seem weird at all globalists that coincidence may not matter to some true believers though because if the premise is already accepted that he's being jammed up by the globalists then if then that sanction that he owes that million dollars is part of an attack that the globalists are doing so he might be safe uh from that kind of criticism which is really scary i have a little bit of experience

with cults just a tiny little bit okay and i don't know any one of them where all of the cult members have been like, you know what? We figured this out. There would be. We got you. That would be awesome if there was that one moment where all at the same time, like, no. It would be great.

I would love if you can find an instance of that happening, I would be very surprised and overjoyed. But yeah, once you're in the cult man until the government arrests you or you kill everybody in the cult it's still going it's still going and the in cult explanations explain all the kind of stuff that you would think would right they'll never not question they'll never not for any reason yeah do you think that alex jen this is total, but I don't give a shit. Like, do you think that Alex Jones believed this to start with? Or was this like always bullshit trolling or a joke?

Like, I mean, I'm just curious from the genesis of InfoWars and the Alex Jones persona. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think he definitely believed a lot of it very early on i think i think there was a there's an element of cynicism to him probably like you know john ronson has talked about how when they went to bohemian grove uh he talked to alex about how like you're misinterpreting this this is you're playing with fire like you're saying

that they're doing these satanic rituals and like sacrificed a baby maybe uh you know your listeners are going to maybe believe that and that's not what we experienced near there and alex according to ronson said uh yeah but i'm not going to tell the audience that and you know so there is that element of cynicism in him but i think if you go back and you look at kind of like how trivial some of the issues he used to be championing were and like how there was a real seeming belief in like a lot of these John Birch Society-esque ideas about the government. I think a lot of that was very sincere. I think it's gotten less so, certainly. Okay, so you think he's gotten less sincere over time or yeah,

I, I think that as it became like larger and larger, he probably started to see ways that the things could be used for his advantage. And I think it sprawled a little bit. Maybe it's, maybe it's better put as like, it's one of those equilibrium things where at the beginning it was more about the cause, man.

It wasn't about the money. And then he got a lot of fucking money. It's still about the cause, man. It's still about the fucking cause. But I need that goddamn money, man. The money. I love that money. No money, no mission.

The money will further the mission of me having a second house yeah exactly right now if he doesn't get a million dollars from his audience everyone is going to die so maybe that's yeah there's there's like a video that was going around from like his early days of like him complaining about a city council person whose grass was uh too long because somebody in the patriot movement had gotten like a ticket or something like that because they had an unkept lawn and so he was going and showing a city council person who didn't mow their yard it's about fairness right there's some there's some belief there it's not okay this is not super marketable this is bizarre bizarre this is super petty but, he's got a ruler in the middle of somebody's yard with a ruler sticking another grass.

Justice is justice. As his career has gone on, I think there are these pet issues and things that he probably does care about, like owning a gun. He obviously really cares about frogs. But another thing. Sure. He obviously really cares about frogs. But another thing. Sure.

The the the ways that he covers things in order to feed into those narratives, I believe, is a little bit more disingenuous. And there is that cynicism there, like covering school shootings as false flags is I don't think that he actually believes that. But he does believe in owning a gun and he wants to cut off any argument for him not owning a gun. So that's the sincere part. And then the actual coverage of things and the conspiracies, I don't think he means. I don't think he believes that shit at all. Even though not a single school shooting has motivated one single fucking any senator or congressman to do anything at all. Not a single time. It doesn't matter. But it feels like it could if you're really

paranoid. You win real hard. You gotta be real fucking paranoid. Like when 20 kindergartners get shot and we're just like collectively like, that is the price of guns. Yeah. It doesn't matter. I'm sorry, not guns. Liberty.

The price of liberty. Hey, but I sell liberty out in guns. So I think I think one of the problems is that a lot of us don't really believe, you know, or maybe even understand when the ends justify the means is your like operating philosophy. justify the means is your like operating philosophy so with Alex all you need to understand is what he's going towards and you don't need to worry about

why he's saying anything or what he's saying what it is about is the goal I see and also when the ends justify the means and one of the means that you're willing to accept is basically augmenting reality in order to pursue your ends. Yeah.

It becomes really dangerous. And I think that's what harassing people, you know, getting people hurt, getting people doxed, getting people killed. Like all of these are the means to his end, which is making sure that he can hold guns uh no matter what happens you know yeah is there any possibility dark it's fucking dark as fuck you are a hundred percent is there any possibility do you think that the end result of this will be a judge saying you owe x amount of money and you can't have a show anymore no i can't imagine that being a possibility like how would that work in the legal system you can't have a show well they can say like you can't use the internet there are there are some there are some that's like for hackers and stuff like that right i mean has anyone ever had like the

government say you can't have a radio show well i don't know but like there there have been cases where people are not allowed to internet anymore sure sure no i've i've been reading up on a lot of these types of cases and generally i feel like the most likely results from this is the jury is going to award a damages and such that is enough to destroy his company and then on appeal of the damages the judges are going to be like that level of penalty is cruel and unusually punishment under the constitution and they'll bring it down to something that is uh i don't know i guess not cruel and unusual by whatever measure they pretend matters that's generally what I've seen in the past from when rich people get sued. I think you have an interesting question though,

but like people not being allowed to use the internet, but I do, I do really think that that has mostly that's mostly in hacking cases, right? Like when people are breaching systems and stuff and like doing internet crimes or like one of the judge cases where he and like doing internet crimes. Or like memeable judge cases where he's like, oh, right. Your judgment is two years probation

and you have to read Between Two Ferns or Where the Red Fern Grows or whatever it is, you know. Between Two Ferns. I was going for the Where the Red Fern Grows in the riff. Between Two Ferns is way better. Between Two Ferns is way better. You have to read transcripts of between two birds

never ending i would i would say and maybe i haven't thought this through fully but if the judgment were you can't have a show i think i would be opposed to that on principle really yeah i think you would yeah yeah i think that that would be opposed to that on principle. Really? Yeah. I think you would. Yeah. I think that that would be a very bizarre penalty to, like, obviously, I don't think he should have a show. Sure. I don't want a court to say that. That's, that's, that to me is a little.

That's kind of what I say whenever people don't think that the ends justify the means. Like, in this circumstance, Dan believes that the show shouldn't exist, but at the same time, doing it this way is the wrong way to do it. I just wonder if there's any other way to do it. Because if you bankrupt my company, I'll start another company.

It'll be called Snimfo Wars. That might be a different show. He's got an OnlyFans account called Snimfo Wars. And he's in the French made-up one. He is in the French made-up one. Do I get bonus points for that one? I feel like I do. Your riff gun is back. That one is back.

It's back, baby. I think that one of the things that I believe about Alex very wholeheartedly at this point is that, like, without the trappings of his current existence, I don't think he would be doing the things that he's doing so like the ability to make all the money with the supplements and the like large scale warehouse that he has of products and all these employees who cover all that kind of stuff without all the people that he has writing articles for him to misrepresent on

air like without all that infrastructure he wouldn't do a podcast. He doesn't do any work. Like, if he had to actually do this stuff himself, he would be like, no, fuck this. And if he does end up having a sufficient, like, financial penalty that would, like, make it so, let's say he doesn't have that cool desk or the cool lights behind him in the set.

Are we getting the lights now? Dan, is that on your wish list? Are you wish listing the lights? I mean, don't jinx it, but yes, I want those lights. him in the set. Are we getting the lights now, Dan? Is that on your wish list? Are you wish listing the lights? Don't jinx it, but yes, I want those lights. Dan gets the lights. Okay, they get the lights, we get the desk. It's fine, it's fine. No, we're sharing the desk.

We're splitting custody on the desk. Any bankruptcy settlement will include us doing a live episode from his studio. So just so you know. I swear to God, when they do a liquidation auction, we are fucking live streaming that shit. And there are my panel is just going to be up.

I'll never stop. I'll never stop. I don't, I will. I'll break my arms. I can put in a cast to hold it up. I do not care. Oh my God. I want to get a piece of it somehow.

Yeah. You know what? I want all of it. If I could get his correspondence, I'll go bankrupt. Getting you want Rob do? Yeah. Yes. You can. Yeah. Yes. You can have him.

Yes. No one wants him. You're going to have my business. I want to put him in a French maid outfit. Yes. Jordan. Jordan. All right, buddy.

Yeah, I feel you. Oh, yeah, we're right there. No, I love it you need to point towards the top right according to the the uh squares as shit we've got going on there's no center square though

well i mean after uh shit i can't remember shadow steven there we go god damn come on man i know it's brutal riff gun yeah i think i the point is i think that alex Oh, God damn. Come on, man. I know. It's brutal. Riff gun. Yeah, I think the point is, I think that Alex, if he were bankrupted, would not continue. I think his legacy is so

good at this point in terms of the right wing and the extremist anti-communist bullshit that if he were to get bankrupted by the quote-unquote globalists and then disappear, it's perfect. It's like the narrative arc has come to a close.

If he comes back and has like some half-ass podcast that he's doing, that's really sad. I think that, you know, like Bill Cooper had the best possible outcome that he could have had getting shot by a bunch of cops. Right. He becomes a legend by sticking to his principles essentially and then getting into an argument with somebody and uh shooting at a cop and then i mean it's

it is it is funny but at the same time that is how you want to go shot by a lot of people want how alex they want alex to go out that way too i don't have principles that are that strong that I want to get shot by the cops for him. I'll like, I will tell you right now, I'll bend every principle I have when there's a gun on me. Every one of them. Alex doesn't have those stronger principles either, but he has strong enough principles, I guess, to maybe go away. Right.

You know, like it, or at least ego and narcissism to like not appear as some kind of a, like, I hate to say this cause I appear as some kind of a, like, I hate to say this cause I do a podcast out of my, you know, rumpled room myself. But like, if he were in that position,

I think he would find that degrading. And you know, I don't think he would, he would do that. He wouldn't even be able, not even just that, but he wouldn't be able to do my job. If there was an info wars podcast,

you know, like if, if, if there was an Info Wars podcast. If he was like, listen, Owen, you've got to handle the Dan job and I'll do Jordan. He wouldn't even do that. And I'm essentially useless at the end of the day. Jordan. A

comfortable silence comes over the room guys uh if people were going to find your podcast somewhere where would they look well you could check out the info wars studio six months yes yes we've got to buy info warsarsstudio.com. Yes. Infowars.com. Knowledgefight.com is our website. That is where we live. Yeah, that's basically, it will get you wherever you need to go.

How many shows are you guys putting out? You guys put out like 17 a week or something like that? Is that how this works? Give or take. Yeah. Boy. It's between two and three a week. Wow.

Goddamn. That's dedication, man. I would say we average 2.6 episodes per week. It's like the amount of children yeah in the 50s. Every episode is like a Wednesday long. Is that

because it's the longest day of the week? It is. Yeah, I take that criticism to heart. It's not a criticism bully for you. No, I take that criticism to heart. It's not a criticism bully for you. No, I mean, it's applause. Shit. Like 15 minutes into the show every week.

I'm like, I got nothing. You know, it's crazy is it's not a criticism when you watch somebody else's show. Do it. Do you know what I'm saying? Like if you guys were like wait how many shows are we doing for per week that would be a different story i think about it radio shows do it every day every single day yeah that's true we're kind of slouching

they don't have to they don't have to move their laundry to do the show neither does dan years ago i did i did that's true that is true very gentlemen knowledge fight thank you guys for coming on we appreciate it we promise we will meet you guys in austin instead of showing you have to hold it told us there. You have to hold this to it. You have to send us a message and let us know. We'll be in Austin. We'll be in Austin and we'll buy you dinner at a very fine restaurant. Or a restaurant in Austin. And I know what you

bibliophiles are thinking. Oh, we don't need less books. We need more. The only way to stop a bad guy with a book is a good guy with a book. Well, good luck with that. Let's say somebody goes to read up a school and you think you're quick draw LeVar Burton over here, but oh, oh no, you're fiddling with the zipper on your fanny pack and you can't get your book out. Ban the books now. All right. So the story from HuffPost,

Florida atheist uses state's new book banning law to object to the Bible. And this is great. This is so good. I love this so much. So the law they're objecting to, Tom, is the one that says like, you can't talk about gender identity around kids

or LGBT stuff around kids. And it's the don't say gay bill that Disney's in a snit over and that they're fighting with disney about now and it's this law that they've put into effect to essentially make it so that little kids can't hear about stuff that they think is that they claim is going to be damaging to kids even though like little kids are surrounded in almost every movie with heterosexual sexuality. Right. It's total fucking nonsense.

They're basically, they've adopted this language. They've done it so fast. It's unbelievable how fast this has happened. They've adopted this language where they are conflating any discussion of gender identity or sexual identity with grooming and pedophilia. Yeah, with grooming. And they've been saying those languages. That language is married now.

Yep. And it's such disingenuous, dishonest nonsense. It's so stupid. Because every time we relate to each other, we are relating to each other in ways that are explicitly gendered. Right? When I meet somebody and I refer to them by any pronoun whatsoever, when I refer to anyone with any pronoun, that's an explicitly gendered moment. If I say this is my mom or my dad or I refer to the idea of two people who are married, I'm explicitly referring to a sexual dynamic, right? Yeah, sure. A sexual identity dynamic. And whatever that gender between those two doesn't matter

because you're saying like a sexual dynamic. There is some kind of sexual identity dynamic, which is established. So what this bill, to be very upfront about it, what this bill is saying is not, we don't talk about sexual identity and gender. What they're saying is we don't talk about sexual identity or gender in ways that are not 100% conformative. Yeah. Cis, hetero, whatever that is. Yeah. Because we're

all the time referring to gender. We're all the time referring to sexual relationships and sexual identity based relationships. And it's so crazy because the way they put it and they've been doing this for years and we've been talking about this for years and they've been talking about this as a way to be like hey we the when these kids hear about this stuff that is what trained like turns them into that that changes their sexuality and that's just not how sexuality works like when i knew when we talked to this before we knew we both knew as very young boys boys little boys that we were into girls like we're talking little i was five years old and i had a crush on the baby same man five years old i knew what i liked yep five years old so it wasn't and i wasn't influenced by anything

right i know there was no outside influence and my cousin grew up gay And it was the same age that I was when he finally figured out what he looked. He was in the closet for a little while, but still. Yeah, because it was the fucking 90s or whatever. But he knew. Yeah. Man, when I was a little guy, like my Uncle Ron lived with us. My Uncle Ron was gay. It didn't turn me gay.

It didn't change you gay. When I was in kindergarten or preschool i stole some of my mom's jewelry to give to a little girl that i had a crush on in like daycare or whatever i don't remember i was so young i don't even remember how old yeah right i just remember getting in trouble for stealing my mom's jewelry to give to some fucking kid but my uncle ron who was gay lives i didn't turn me gay i wasn't like man i want to suck uncle ron's dick what are you fucking kidding me and like what and what what flies in the face of that is like how many gay people out there watch you know so many different heterosexual things

bombarded with 90 heterosexual stuff and you're like okay but that doesn't change them into heterosexuals they're still gay and they grow up like how many homosexual people or or differently people have different sexual identities live in conservative households yeah where they're sure where they're whatever yeah yeah like shouldn't they never shouldn't shouldn't those households never produce gay kids shouldn't those be the protection that you want if you want to turn the society into this conservative bubble shouldn't your tiny conservative bubble protect you from that right thing that you hate so much you shouldn't have to fucking worry but instead it's not but it's nonsense what it is is a way to fucking disenfranchise to fight against and to discriminate against gay, lesbian, transgender, anybody in

that group. They want to, they want to be able to discriminate against all of them. And so they, and this is the, this is the law that allows them to do it. Well, this guy's like, you know what I'm going to do is I'm going to point out all the passages of the Bible where there's incest, where there's bestiality, when there's, when there's cannibalism, they're talking about gays or whatever. And it is amazing. There was, I saw a clip this week of a guy who was getting questions. He's running for some smaller office somewhere. And there was a dude questioning him. And he says, I just want to make sure that they can't teach any of this stuff. And I want to ban certain books, you know, from the libraries. And the questioner says, well, you know, the Bible mentions such and such. He's like,

you know, I want you to bring your attention to this thing. Do you want to ban the Bible? Right. The guy says, well, no, I think that the Bible, he's like, well, but the Bible mentions, you know what I mean? Like, and this guy's, this guy's taking it to the next level. Right. Yeah. He's saying, okay, fine. let's actually ban the bible because you know just asking them the question they can squirm out of it yep but now i gotta make you say no the bible's okay well i mean there's there are passages in the bible that are very sexually explicit yes like extremely sexually dog keys or whatever right exactly yeah so and there are there are passages that like identify, like

if you rape somebody, how much you have to pay their fucking father and stuff. Yeah. And so it's like, all right, well then fine, let's get this the fuck out of there. And there, you know, for dead certain that they're not going to let that happen. Right. This is great. I think this guy calls himself a stunt activist. I think that's the term that they use. Yeah. And I think this kind of stunt activism is just like Satanic Temple activism. Sure, yeah, yeah. It's important. It creates media attention.

It creates media buzz. The problem is that it goes to a judge in Florida. Yeah. And it's like the abortion thing in Texas. SB8 is full of really obvious, facially flawed defects, right? Yeah, the time thing. The fact that a heartbeat is not a medical thing. the fact that a heartbeat is not a medical thing, a heartbeat, right?

It's like, well, is there's no heart. Yeah. That's not even a meaningful, you wrote a thing in here without a definition. Like that's not meaningful, but you're going to, what matters is not whether or not that's true. It matters who decides what truth is.

Exactly. Yeah. Just what's why we, that's why the mass mandate got stuck, struck down. Yeah. Because someone chose to decide. Fucking Trump activist judge.

Trump activist judge, 30-some-year-old judge, who was said that she wasn't actually qualified by the American Bar Association. Bar Association, yeah. She wound up saying that a mask doesn't do anything. It doesn't clean that. And she chose to use words like sanitation and cleaning. Yep, yeah.

The way she interpreted something that had been long interpreted one way, And she chose to use words like sanitation and cleaning. Yep. Yeah. She, the way she interpreted something that had been like long interpreted one way, she's like, no, now I'm just going to decide that there's a new reading of this. And like Florida judges are going to get in front of us. And she's a Florida judge.

Right. And so like, and so like the thing is, is that you're going to run into some problems. The, the, the big issue is if it could ever get up to the Supreme court or something like that. Right. But it's like, but again, court is such full of liars. It's so stacked. You know, I mean, you know, you could easily look at that activist judge

down there in Florida and be like, that's Amy Coney Barrett. Yeah. I know. It's the same thing. It's crazy. Cause there's a case in front of the Supreme court now, which is so similar to the coach, not a coach, Dave Daubenmeier case. Yeah. Yeah. It's essentially like coach, not a coach got in trouble for praying with his, with his, and now there's, and now there's a guy praying at the 50 yard line, deeply supported by his local community in mass, but not by everybody importantly. And like the rights of the minority are absolutely going to be infringed on. And the Supreme court is very likely to rule in favor of that coach. Yeah.

And that's going to just upend the entire. And that changes precedent forever. Right. Forever. If you have judges that always look at those previous things and don't think to change it, it's forever. It's once this happens, like the separation of church and state, which has long been held in schools, public schools, it's out the fucking window.

Yeah, yeah. It's out. It is fucking garbage. It's out the window. And I do wonder if the answer to that, then, is to have atheist teachers espouse, start assigning the God delusion. Yeah. See what happens. Let's start assigning explicitly God delusion. Yeah. See what happens. Let's start assigning explicitly

atheist. The problem is, is that, you know, like you get activist teachers and you're like, yeah, but you got to have an activist salary. Right. You know what I mean? Like you got to have some sort of backing from some, you got to have a backup somewhere because you know what the, the teachers don't make a lot as it is. And now you're like putting your job on the line. And I think there's a lot of people who are just like, I just don't, I don't care that much about this to lose my whole livelihood. I gotta feed a family. I have obligations. I can't just be like,

yeah, I'm gonna just be an activist. That's not something that everybody can do. Being an activist is a fucking luxury. Yeah, it is. It really is. Being an activist is very often a luxury of resources. And the other thing too is that you are, it's very different when you're in a school district that is supporting you, right?

If you're in a school district, like you said, this coach that wants to go out and give everybody a God hug on the 50 yard line, he's surrounded by an entire community that loves him and wants to support him. So whether or not he gets, he may, he might not get fired or he'll get, you know, he'll leave

and then he'll come back as something else or whatever. There's his community is going to be around him. But if you're a solo dude, just being like, here's the God delusion, you know, enjoy unemployment. Cause they'll just, they'll just fire your ass. Yeah. This guy, and now you got to spend six, 16 years trying to get it to the Supreme court. Right. Exactly. Right. You pray on the fucking 50 yard line in, you know, some little garbage town in Texas where everybody loves you. You get fired because they had to fire you. You set up a GoFundMe page you don't want for food mortgage.

Yeah. You're fine. Same thing goes for some guy in the Bible belt who's doing an atheist thing. That's going to be a lot more. That's a harder sell. That's a much harder sell. It's a harder sell. First day? Yes. Don don't worry everything is under control

this story comes from cnn politics de santis signs bill creating new Florida election police force. And when I read this article, I thought, God, if I was ever going to be a cop, this is the cop I would want to be. Because you have nothing to do all day. Nothing to do. You're like the Maytag repair guy. Right. Yes, exactly.

You are the Maytag repair guy of cops. It's like, what are you gonna do investigate nothing literally nothing that happens and and you only have to work hard maybe like once every every two years like what are you like i'm investigating on election fraud there isn't any well your work here is done boys i do have to spend my my whole day on my feet on november 6th right i'm gonna walk around and but other than that yeah you walk around with your billy club I do have to spend my whole day on my feet on November 6th. Right. I'm going to walk around and. But other than that, yeah, you walk around with your billy club.

Right. And you tap into like a fucking booth. Nice booth here. You got a nice booth. You got a whistle while you spin it as you walk around. You go in with an axe and you're breaking open ballot boxes like you're a fucking prohibition era. Prohibition era guy. What is that guy's name?

I don't fucking know. Like the fucking guy, that main guy from the thing he was kevin costa in the movie oh i know what you're talking about i'm talking about that yeah yeah yeah my brain's old i can't remember this stuff anymore well or like elliot ness yes elliot or like your carrier nation that lady who did a citation yeah beat the shit out of shit yeah exactly, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. No. So, but this is, this is crazy. This is, this is a police force that he decided to create that is going to look into election fraud and he's super pumped about it. And this is clearly a play for Trump voters to either keep him in office down there or to continue following him onto the presidency in 2024 because he's a big name he's making all the splash moves that it would take for a guy like him to

jump onto the main stage and try to gather as many trump voters as possible and he's doing all the things that you would need to do in that position he feels like he's following the right you know he's he's like a kid who's trying to get into harvard who's volunteering at the right place you know what i mean absolutely there's like a checklist that they go through yes you know that's exactly it that's exactly it and so so i think he feels like that right now so he's making a big show of it he's making a huge he's trying to be like this is a big deal it's a big deal and he's trying to again like, this is a big deal. It's a big deal. And he's trying to, again, this is damaging because it presses a narrative that is damaging to the country. That something like this happens all the time. And it continues to reinforce misinformation that has been spread constantly since the last election, major election in the United States.

And it's very dangerous and it's very damaging to our national psyche. Yeah. And it's like, you know, there is a certain segment of the population. Well, if election fraud wasn't a big deal, why would there be a police force to investigate? Exactly. It's like, well, because, look, man, there's a space force, too. Yes. You know, get the fuck out of here.

You can create an anything force. They're not space invaders. Like the men in black are not here. We don't need to sweat. You're right, though. You're right, though, because it's just it's a tv show about something like paranormal yep and that gives it the validity it needs the same thing is same exact thing same thing is true when you got a fucking police force that's fighting against ballots yep i would it's again these are show cops yep these are fucking

if things are show like at some point these cops are gonna fucking get up on a little podium someone's gonna cup their fucking balls and check their coat and make sure they're shiny enough. Put a fucking blue wrist. These are show cops. They are. They are. They're not going to have to do anything. They got to jump over.

They'll have to jump over like a little stick that's not. Walk on a beam. But other than that, they don't have to do much else. You're going to run them on a leash. They don't have to do much else. It's a fucking show cop. I would be a show cop, though. In a second.

You don't have to kill anybody. In a second. Nobody's going to fucking give you. You don't have to do much else. It's a fucking show cop. I would be a show cop though. You don't have to kill anybody. Nobody's going to fucking give you anything. You get a pension eventually. It's the best. This is it. Retire early. You can have a real job and do this. I can do this from home. This is a job I can do from home.

I can do this from home. You could call into work. You're the only cop that gets to zoom into work. It's the best. Are you kidding me? No, this is utter bullshit. Utter bullshit. It's utter bullshit.

And DeSantis is an absolute piece of shit. And he's been a piece of shit for a long time. And his attacks on the gay community, his attacks on the trans community, his attacks on thinking people everywhere, and his attacks on democracy you know, on thinking people everywhere and his attacks on democracy are just abhorrent. His, his attacks on, on science and medicine with his grotesque mismanagement of the pandemic. Absolutely. And he, and he's eroded faith in every major institution. And he's done the things that we talked about before, where we said, you know, like he's, he's been one of these

guys that's cooking the books, hiding numbers. He's using his office to be retaliatory to big corporations. He is literally the swamp. He is the fucking swamp. Do you know what he is, man? This is an adolescent autocrat. Yep. That is what he is. He is an adolescent autocrat. It's very true, man. It's very true. We are watching an autocrat in the making. Where do you hear about election police other than the United States and other places where they have unsecure elections yeah right you're like you like the fucking i'm sure north korea has fucking election police right it's like hey i want uh i want to win again so that i could do the show thing yeah so make everybody vote for me in between starving to death and being thrown in a prison but it's it's one of those things that just, you know, these things get passed.

And to us, we see it as the absolute horror that it is. Yeah. But this is championed by the right. It's a big deal. It's championed by the right. They are fucking thrilled. They are. They can't.

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Get to the penis now! I want the penis. You can't handle the penis. Soylent Green is penis! So I thought this was a great story. This is from CNBC. Elon Musk says he wants free speech, but his track record suggests

otherwise. And we talked about this a little bit with the Knowledge Fight guys. And the thing is that Elon Musk is about to buy Twitter. The financing is all lined up. The deal is all but done. Half the money is his cash. Half the money is financed. So $44 billion.

He's already sick the public on some of their uh some of their uh executives i don't know if you saw this i did see this so people who were like opposed to this deal his deal they've they've said they've come out against it and he's already sort of sick the public and sort of called out who they are and sort of attacked them a little bit because he's a piece of shit he is a he's a genuine piece of fucking human garbage bro piece of shit he is he is an absolute piece of fucking trash i fucking hate this guy i do too and he he claims to be this champion of free speech that is that is his claim you know that you know and and to the point in this article to the point of extremity at one

point like talking about whether or not uh he would support like not allowing Russia to use Starlink, for example. I mean, Russia is engaged right now in an act of mass genocide against the Ukrainian people. And he's like, you know, I know it's unpopular, but I'm a free speech absolutist. So I'm not going to I would not support like kicking russia off of this what the fuck yeah what look at your fucking values what what world are you living in and it's liar stuff because every time he is every time speech threatens to impinge on his yes profits or his public image which are one in the, then he is not a free speech advocate. He has a free speech. I don't know, crushingator or whatever the right word is. He wants, he wants

to stop it whenever he can. And you know, like, like several people have come out and said, when I was going to write a story about him, they said, you can't write the story until you pass it in front of him first. Right. You know, these are, these are reporters that are getting told that they have to stifle their free speech around him. And he's, and he's super tender and he's super fucking fragile. And he's one of these guys that just like, like you can just tell when a bad person gets too much money and he's a bad person who got too much money, so much money. And he's got so much that he can do things like this. The worry with Elon Musk, as far as I'm concerned, is he is a young guy, this rich. Yeah.

He has decades to just grow richer and weirder and be, I mean, to be like, I don't like Twitter, so I'm going to buy it to change it. To be able to buy as one person and then turn it his intention is to buy twitter and then turn it to a private company from a public company and then you've got something that many people have argued is the new digital public square and to have that under the control of a single private citizen yeah that's deeply deeply, deeply problematic. That is horrifyingly. And he's just getting started. Yeah. This is not an old guy. This is somebody with decades to continue to amass greater and magnifying amounts of wealth to where he can buy what other, at this point,

the wealthy are not just buying companies. They're buying institutions. They're buying entire institutions of media. We've got to say that's a problem. And even if he had good intentions, I would oppose this. This is one of those things that you hope that there's some way. And although with the way government has been leaning, there's no way it's going to happen. But you hope that they break something like this up. Right. This is one of those things that you look at and say, oh, we got to break this up.

We got to do something. We got to do something to stop this. Because this is one of those moments where, I mean, there are people who have to sign off on this whole thing. So maybe there might be somebody who puts their foot in the door. They might. We're at a crazy point in history where one person can look at something that's valued at $44 billion and say, I'll buy it. Yeah. And $44 billion is so much fucking, it's so much fucking money. You can think about you,

you can only think about it in terms of like the United States. Yes. Right. Right. Where you're just like, yeah, that is, you know, this budget for the United States, like companies that are that important institutions that are that important are so large that structurally they should be out of reach for any one person. Sure. But we've fucked things up so bad that there are now a small handful of people that virtually nothing is out of reach. And that's a problem, right? It's better if something like Twitter, and I think Twitter is a fucking nightmare, but like it's better if Twitter is a publicly traded company. Because whether it goes up or down, they have to make decisions that they're liable to these shareholders.

Publicly traded companies have lots of problems, but they also do have checks and balances. Sure. When something is privately held, it's some guy's whim and wish. It won't matter if the profits of this fluctuate. Right. It won't matter because Elon Musk can lose $44 billion and not feel it.

Yeah. Right? Right. So if it tanks, if it falls apart, if it fails, it he's pretty much as rich as he was before the pandemic started. So it's not like it's a big deal for him. And so he can pretty much rule it however he wants. He's not he's not motivated by that profit motive. Right. Which is bad, but at least it's some check. Exactly.

It's not just a win. Exactly. Right? We've got people who are so wealthy that, and Jordan said something about this, but the money has become so enormous that it is meaningless. It's just meaningless money. So if you lose $40 billion, but you still have $200 billion, you literally didn't lose anything.

Yeah. There is no loss because you're at a place where nothing is out of reach at all. $200 billion is the richest person on the planet. And there's nothing, there's no place you can't go. There's nothing you can't buy.

Every single thing, every whim you want to indulge that can be indulged with money can be indulged for a tiny fraction of that. So once you reach that level, everything else is scorekeeping. That's all it is. It's not functionally valuable to you. So we'd like to thank our patrons, of course.

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if there wasn't for our patrons. So we are grateful to all of you guys deeply and forever. Thank you. We got a ton of messages, Tom, this week. So many. About Jehovah's Witness. I touched a chord with my handwritten note over here that we read on the air.

I know, man. I had never had, it never happened to me in my life. It's clearly never happened to you because you laughed about it with me. I know. But so many listeners reach out to us this week and we got maybe 50 letters this week from different sources where people said,

I got Jehovah, they sent me this. They did. So many people in our audience have been touched by people's outreach. So many, is it Jehovah or Witness? I like Jehovah. I think I like Witness better. Oh, I like Jehovah.

I like getting Jehovah. Jehovah God. Oh yeah, I got Jehovah, don't you know? Got Jehovah God. I feel like if it's in the Midwest, you get Jehovah. Yeah. I think you're probably right. Oh, yeah.

Jesus. I got Jehovah. So many of these people sent us messages saying they got these messages from these very random places. Yeah. It's so interesting. Yeah. It's so like, these people just get like fucking door knocked and Yahoo show up and give them

the old good news, man. It's never happened to me. It's never happened. Most of these are letters too. There's a lot of these that are letters. Never gotten one. Just getting a letter in the thing. Other people have been visited.

Other people approached on the street. They must have a crazy outreach ministry that just missed me for all the years of my life until now. I used to live two houses down from a Jehovah's Witness center. Did you really? Yeah, when I lived out in Morris. That's true. I remember the Jehovah's Witness.

Like their hall, their kingdom hall. Their hall or whatever, down the street. Yeah. Those all look the same. Yeah. They all look exactly the same. They're like the church of the fucking shed, man. I know, man.

They're all pole barns, dude. It's the church of the fucking single story flat roof man. They're all pole barns, dude. It's the church of the fucking single story flat roof. They're all fucking pole barns, dude. But anyway, there's a ton of people. And evidently, part of their ministry. Now, I don't know how familiar you are with them, but I did a little bit of looking into this. And they're one of those groups of people

that don't think that everybody goes to heaven and in fact think that very few people go to heaven. So I think that the reason why their outreach is so strong is because they want to try to make a good impression with jesus oh and so that's why they can be on the good list so that's why their outreach is so strong is because because their their god doesn't draft a lot of people in the first round are they one of the like 144 000 i think they are i think that number i look at that i'd be like fuck it i mean like no kidding right like okay there's seven and a half billion people i'm not winning that lottery seven and a half billion people are you shitting me no get the fuck out no

just you know what i'm just gonna i'm gonna live a life of fucking hedonism and joy because fucking 144 000 out of 7 billion. Fuck that. And that's fucking it. No way. I'm going to enjoy the fuck out of this whole thing. Are you kidding me? Run this thing into the ground. All right.

So we got a couple of voicemails we want to play. A couple of people sent short voicemails. Here we go. Here's the first one. Hey, guys. I'm leaving a message because you said to. You said keep it under 24 seconds, which if you think about it, it's quite a long time. In basketball, you can cover

quite a bit of ground in 24 seconds. I'm at 15 seconds. All right. Love you guys. Bye. I think that's so funny. That's really funny. Hey, sorry, buddy. You got a backcourt violation on that one. All right. Here we go. This is the next one. And if you want a backcourt violation, you can head over to

adamandeve.com and enter Gloria Chekhov. And if you want a backcourt violation, you can head over to adamandeve.com and enter Gloria Checkout. A completely consensual backcourt violation. Absolutely. Consensual. So this is the next one we got. Hey, Tom and Cecil. This is Nathan from Rochester, New York,

home of The Garbage Plate. Just saying I love the show. Love. Citation needed, too. You guys are awesome. Thank you so much for sending a voicemail. That's very sweet. That dude sounds New York as fuck. Now you have to tell us what the garbage

plate is. What is a garbage plate? What would we eat? I mean, other than every single plate in New York. What the fuck did we eat when we went on our hunting trip when we were down in Southern Illinois? What was it called? A horse knuckle or what was it? A moose knuckle. No, it was a horseshoe that's what it was remember that

we both ate a moose well yeah most certainly did not it's a moose whatever oh. Whatever. Oh, so good. Like, there's like, I, now we have to invent a dish called the moose snuggle and we have to make a restaurant around the moose snuggle

and it'll be the greatest thing that ever happened in the history of mankind. What should it be? All right, so it should clearly be meatballs

and it's some kind of, it's gotta be meatballs and ravioli or something. no, like, like, like one, one lasagna noodle precariously tucked between two meatballs.

With cheese. We got to make. We got to create the Chicago Moose Knuckle. Chicago Moose Knuckle. And then there'll be like wars, like the New York moose knuckle wars. You guys made the moose knuckle, but it's really a Southern. Now you eat it. So you go up to the meatballs

and you carefully pull the pasta out from between them. You got to make the left one bigger than the right one. Oh, God. As the dish gets older, they just sag down the plate. What is this? What is this the plate. What is this?

What is this clear liquid? What is that? Oh, Jesus Christ. Okay. All right. Tell us what the garbage plate is so we can figure that out too. Oh, it's standing.

So good. It's like a rack carries up the stairs or whatever. You got to knock the New York rats off your plate. Oh, Jesus. All right. It's late. It's late, Tom. It's late.

We're getting punchy, bro. You got to put pasta on it. We're getting punchy. This is from someone who didn't leave a message. They didn't leave a name, but they left, they sent us an email and they said, back in tech school,

we had a math teacher who brought in homemade brownies as a treat. And while we were digging in, she mentioned that they were extra special and they weren't, of course, pot brownies, but she said she had used truffle oil instead of regular oil and she had clearly mistaken truffle for a chocolatey truffle.

And everybody took a bite clearly mistaken truffle for a chocolatey truffle and everybody took a bite out of truffle. Oh, shit. Tastes like fucking, oh, that's so bad. So super, super bad. How do you make that mistake? How do you use,

you know, like how do you not smell that? Dirt stink oil. How do you not smell that when you do it and be like, holy shit, this smells like,

this smells so bad. What was I doing? What is wrong with you? We got a message from Trevor and Trevor like, holy shit, this smells like, this smells so bad. What was I doing? What is wrong with you? We got a message from Trevor and Trevor says, hey guys, planning a trip to Chicago. Wondering if there's any general sites for seeing or if you got a place you'd recommend. We, of course, would always recommend Pequod's Pizza. Pequod's Pizza. It's going to take a while.

Have an afternoon. It's going to be like an hour to get your pizza, but it's worth it. It's going to take a while. Have an afternoon. It's going to be like an hour to get your pizza, but it's worth it. It's a really delicious pie. Pequod's is right up in Lincoln Park. It's just sort of on the western edge of Lincoln Park. Pretty great neighborhood. It is. It's a nice neighborhood. It's beautiful. So it's a really great place. So Pequod's pretty awesome. If you're looking to see any kind of

sites, the museum campus in downtown Chicago is fucking spectacular. Man, I was going to say, I don't know about you, man, but I love, love, love, love the Field Museum. Yeah. The Field Museum is a day. Yeah.

It's a whole day. Yeah, it's expensive. It is. You got to buy every single exhibit if you want to go see them. So like different exhibits cost money. But it's worth it. So an extra 20 bucks.

But they're all good exhibits. And you know, the museum itself is a great place to be. I love it. I'm not a huge fan of the aquarium. I think it's nice, but I, you know, I like the planetarium and I think the museum campus itself is very pretty. So, and do not miss the museum of art. The art museum in downtown Chicago is fucking spectacular. I've never been to the Art Museum. That is a museum. I lived in downtown Chicago. That is a museum I would visit more than once a year, every

year. I've literally never been to the Art Museum. The Art Museum in Chicago is an excellent museum. You should check it out. It's really good. I'll tell you what to skip. Navy Pier. Yeah, Navy Pier's garbage. Skip Navy Pier. Just don't go. It's not worth doing. There's a Ferris wheel on a pier. Yeah. And there's literally nothing else to see. And there's stores you can go to anywhere else. Yeah. There's food you don't want, crowds you don't need. There's a Ferris wheel you've

already seen. It's not worth it. Navy Pier, there's no charm. There's no charm to it. Navy Pier is garbage, but Chicago itself is a great city. The parks are beautiful. The city itself has lots of little parks throughout. Even the big parks, Millennium Park. Millennium Park, Grand Park, they're both beautiful. The lakefront, gorgeous. So you can check.

And the lakefront is huge in Chicago. Unlike other places where there's a beach or whatever, the lakefront in Chicago is miles long. It's miles long. And it's a whole or whatever, the lakefront in Chicago is miles long. It's miles long. And it's a whole park directly along the lake. Rent a Divvy bike and ride up and down the lake. That's a nice way. The Botanical Garden's beautiful.

Yeah. You know what I love? I love the Chicago Cultural Center. That's free. That's free. And I love the Cultural Center. It's a beautiful building. It's gorgeous building.

Hit or miss on what's there. Yeah. You might hit an exhibit. You might not. You might run into a lecture there for free or something. There's always good stuff happening. I've seen some weird shit there. I've miss on what's there. Yeah, you might hit an exhibit. You might not. You might run into a lecture there for free or something. There's always good stuff happening. I've seen some weird shit there. I've seen some fun shit there. I've seen a lot of good stuff that I've been around

there. The Bean is fun to look at. You can flick it. Yeah, so you can just walk over there. If you want to get a Chicago Moose Snuggle, you can go to the Bean. And you know what you should do? You should go to the Bean and listen to the Blackest Black episode of Citation. Yeah, you should, because that's in Anish Kapoor.

Anish Kapoor. Yeah, but it's a great city, and it's a really accessible city. You know, you want to stay away from the far west side and the far south side. Those are the two places you probably don't want to go. The rest of it's fine. Amazing food, guys. Amazing. We got an image, and this is from Sean, and

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