Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 638: Enjoy Your Medium Well Steak

Episode Date: July 18, 2022

Show Notes

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And there is no welcome mat. This is episode 638 of Cognitive Distance. Cecil. Tom, I wanted to start the episode today talking about a story we did last week. And when we did the story last week, we talked about a 10-year-old girl who was raped.

And that 10-year-old girl had to travel out of state from Ohio to Indiana to get an abortion. Right. The story was in The Guardian. It was in The Independent. It was in like five or six

different places. Right. What happened immediately afterwards was the right-wing media immediately said the story's fake. They talked to the A.G. in Ohio and that A.G. had said, I haven't heard of any kind of arrests. This is a fake story. Tucker Carlson on his show came out and called it a fake story. I'm paraphrasing, but I think he pretty much called it a lie or a fake story. He said it was as much, I mean, and I don't think, I think I might be using softer language than he used. Oh shit. So I mean, I watched the short clip. Softer than lie? And I think he said it was a fake story. Wow. I'm pretty sure he said it was a fake story. So on our, on this, on the comment thread on YouTube, sometimes I go check it out because the best part is they just filter out those bad comments the best. Sometimes bad comments the best.

Sometimes bad comments get through. And so a couple people had questioned whether or not this story was true. And there's, I think, a good faith and a bad faith way to do that. The good faith way, I think, would be to ask, how well is this story sourced? And when you do read the story,

it reminds me of when we had a conversation a while back about Rolling Stone. And they had said that there was a couple of people that were shot that couldn't get into the emergency room because there was too many COVID cases in Oklahoma. Well, they only talked to one guy and no one else could corroborate that information. And so the story that came out was initially a story

and you're like, oh, that's a story. And then it came out as a headline and then it was nothing. It was gone. It was essentially nothing. And they had to retract pretty much the whole thing. They basically said, yeah, we couldn't, we couldn't really, only one person had said this. And so really there's a way to reach out to us and say, hey, you know, there might only been one source on that. And I think that's valid criticism on how to, how to look at a story, right? Because there's only one source and it's the woman who gave the abortion, right? There's no police report. There's no other things. And admittedly, you're trying to keep this a little secret because it's a child and you don't want to like blow up the thing. The guardian can't interview a fifth grader. You can't interview a kid. I get it. I get it. I understand that. But I think that's the only good faith way to approach that. The bad faith way to approach it is to immediately say the story's fake. When are you going to offer a retraction? And one thing we do on this show very often is you and I will talk about a story, but only talk about it in the sense of why does this matter in policy reasons,

right? Why do we talk about a story? We don't talk about the very nuts and bolts all the time about a specific case. What happens is you and I will have a conversation about, well, you know, look at what this does for other places. For instance, in that story, they talked to a Dakota governor and we were like, oh, yeah, fucking Dakota governor. Wouldn't they would have a real, real moral quandary if this were to happen in their state? Because they pretty much said all fucking rapes are beautiful you know so so there's so there's really genuine no i'm not even kidding like that's not like that's not even like that shouldn't be controversial that's pretty much what she said so like the idea that that that we don't like we're talking about something completely different we're talking about the case but then we're talking about it in broad strokes

yeah and one of the reasons you want to come on our page and you want to tell us it's fake is so that you can throw out the entire conversation. So you could say, it's a fake story. You're not worth listening to. You're not worth listening to because you just lied to me and nothing you say matters.

And it's like, hey man, even if it came out that it wasn't true, you still have that North Dakota woman or that South Dakota woman saying, that governor saying, she would have to have the baby in our state. So that, and that's, that's an important, it's really important. So we are not when, when just so people understand, you should not look to us for the news. So don't look to us for the news. So don't look to us for the news. The Guardian is not a junk news site, right?

So I think that when we offer commentary on the news, we do it in good faith. We try to find good, high-quality sources. If those sources turn out to be wrong, then we will come back as soon as we're— We always do. But understand that correction isn't to me because I am not the reporter, right? But then the second question you should be asking is, what about the commentary? And you're exactly right. The commentary here is about the horror of not allowing abortion in a state, in an entire state. in a state, in an entire state, if that story were not true,

you then have to ask yourself, oh, I guess that doesn't, do you not believe that children get raped? Right. Right. Yeah. Because children get raped. Children fucking get raped and they become pregnant as a result of that rape. That is a true fact that happens. So even if this story were not true, this story is simply an illustrative example that happened to be fortuitously timed. And that's why I chose it in our show notes in order for us to make, to your point, the larger point of the danger and the horror of outlawing abortion. You gain nothing in terms of invalidating the commentary if this one illustrative example isn't true because it's not unique. Right. Exactly. An illustrative example, if you can throw it away because it's it's unique, then you can throw away the commentary attached to it and you should. But if you're going to be intellectually honest with yourself, you should say, is this illustrative of a larger, broader social issue? If I were to say, Cecil, if we were to have a conversation about police violence, right? And I were to grab a

story about police violence, and I were to throw it up on the big screen, and we were to talk about it. We were to have a commentary that really is using this as an example in order to provide a meta commentary about the state of policing in America. Right. And then that story turned out to be untrue. It literally would not matter to the meta commentary. Understand that there's a difference between the meta commentary and then the specific uniqueness of a commentary. If you can't parse those out, fucking shame on you for being an intellectual weakling.

Yeah. That's easy shit. It's easy. You dumb motherfuckers. And I gotta say, it's fucking easy. And the reason why you want to push back on this story

and you don't want it to be true. Because you're motivated for it not to be true. And here's what I want to say. There's two stories that came out this week. One is the guy who did it confessed. He's a 27 year old dude. He, he raped a 10 year old at the time he raped a nine year old and she had the baby or she had the abortion when she was 10. So he raped a nine year old. Okay. And then, and they took DNA samples, DNA samples. So we'll

find out it's DNA, but, but also the, but also the victim also said it was him. Now we know that there is a 10-year-old girl who was pregnant. All you need is a 10-year-old pregnant girl to know there was a rape. Right? Yeah, no. Because there's no... You can't turn up pregnant at 10 and not have been raped.

That's 100% true. The other thing is that the AG of... I think it's the AG of Indiana is now going after this doctor. How fucking insane is this? And that's the other thing too, is like, look, I know the right doesn't want this to be true for so many reasons. You want it to be true because what you want to do is you want to demonize abortion. You want to say every woman out there is having a late-term abortion, and they're doing it because they're just bored for a weekend, and it's like going to get a pedicure or something.

You have some weird fucking narrative in your head that you've got to try to fit, and that's fine, right? You're completely fucking crazy. You're a complete crazy person. But this, this is fucking, this is disgusting. Him coming after this person. You got to call this story. This is exactly, this is exactly the Republican AG says he'll investigate Indiana doctor who provided care to 10 year old rape victim. Let me read right from this story. There's a quote from this story that I want to

read because I have so many problems with everything about this quote. So many problems. Here's what the attorney general said. He says, we're gathering the evidence as we speak, and we're going to fight this to the end, including looking at her licensure if she failed to report. And in Indiana, it's a crime to intentionally not report. This is a child and there's a strong public interest in understanding if someone under the age of 16 or under the age of 18 or really any woman is having abortion in our state. Or really any woman is having an abortion in our state. We have a strong public interest to find out if there was an abortion. No, you don't, Indiana.

First of all, Indiana, you haven't passed your fucking anti-abortion law. I know. You haven't passed that law. They will, but they haven't yet. Think about what's being said. We talked about this last time, but I just think this is so important and never let go of, never let it go. The state has an important state interest

in violating your privacy. That is what they're saying. They are saying that the state has a compelling state interest in destroying your right to privacy. How the fuck can anybody be okay with that? We have it without a right to privacy. We have no liberty.

We do not have liberty when the state can say, hey, you know what? Even though this isn't illegal in our state, the state has a, a right to know if somebody was fucking pregnant. And look at what they're going to do. They're going to try to go after her license

for providing relief for a 10-year-old girl who got raped in another state because she couldn't get relief there. Dude, what, in what world is somebody living

where they think that a 10-year-old, a 10-year-old in Illinois, do you know how old you have to be to babysit or to be left alone? If I were to go grocery shopping and want to leave— I would say like 14. 14, which means a 10-year-old girl in Ohio and soon Indiana would be required to have a baby she was not allowed to legally babysit. Jesus Christ. In what world is a fifth grader, a fourth or fifth grader,

intellectually, emotionally, psychologically, or physically equipped to have a baby? No, not at all. To care for a baby? Not at all. There's no world. And the thing is, the state is not going to say, oh, we're going to force you to do this, but here's a bunch of resources.

No, because they don't give you any. There's zero resources. Is a 10 year old girl able to uh get wick yeah probably if somebody helps her yeah right yeah or get fucked like this is a fucking fifth grader yeah there's a whole show cole are you smarter than a fifth grader yeah right yeah because we understand the fifth grade is so young. It's so fucking young. That's a little kid, man. That's a fucking little, little kid. When I, like, my stepdaughter just graduated,

just left fifth grade and graduated fifth grade. She just finished her fifth grade year. Man, she's a little kid. Yeah. Like, if she scrapes her knee too hard, she still cries. Sure. Like, she's a little girl, man. She's a little kid.

Her body is not, her body, like she gets her period. So like her body, I guess, could become pregnant. Sure. But like, would her body be well-equipped to carry a pregnancy, to deliver a pregnancy? She's little, man. She's like a little kid. And let's stop talking about, I mean, for a second,

I know it's a horror, right? It's a child. But for a second, just think about any person who's forced to have a child. Nobody. Yes, nobody. Right? Anyone. Anyone.

And then the idea that you're forcing them to have a child that is the product of rape. Right. And forcing them to go through nine months of remembering that, having the child, going through the pain, the you know the rehab of getting your body back together after a pregnancy and there's no guarantee it'll be an easy pregnancy or smooth safe because our country doesn't have you know there's there's it's not a great track record when it comes to pregnancy we don't have a great mortality rate and pregnancy is fucking dangerous and pregnancy man even when pregnancy isn't dangerous pregnancy can be miserable yeah like dr just gone she was saying with like an abortion is way safer way safer than You can fucking die, man. Even when pregnancy isn't dangerous, pregnancy can be miserable. Yeah. Dr. Tiskan, she was saying,

like an abortion is way safer. Way safer than a pregnancy. And you're talking about somebody who is a child. And so it's all just compounding how terrible it is. But I definitely wanted to talk about, specifically talk about that sort of comment. I want to encourage people to tell us when we didn't source something correctly so that we can then talk about it and then come back the next week and be like, no, it wasn't a fake story.

It wasn't real or whatever. I'm happy to do that. We've done it hundreds of times on this show. I don't know, hundreds, maybe dozens of times on this show. And so I'm happy to talk about moments like that because that's also very interesting to us, right? When things like that happen, that's very interesting to us. But to come here with bad faith or to come here with motivated reasoning to try to point out that the story's wrong because it makes you feel better about this decision that came out

that's taking rights away from women, you're a bad person. Yeah. It was a trick question. The tool most important to humanity's survival wasn't any of the nine in the box. Go on. The most important tool is respect.

Ha! Gay! So this story comes from the Daily Beast, and I had to grab this story. There's so much delicious shit in this. Allegations of manosphere pastors gay past royal macho men. What the hell?

Cecil, this article made me discover that there's a manosphere. And that's all I want to talk about. I hadn't heard about this manosphere. I guess. I feel like I've been missing out, Tom. It's the manosphere hands of fate. Sometimes those hands get a little handsy, Tom. Turns out.

If you're a flat earther, is it a mano flat? I don't know. I don't believe in spheres. So, you guys might remember Jesse Peterson. Jesse Peterson

is a horrible, we've had him on the, we've covered him on the show and then he just became so repetitive. He just kept saying the same fucking macho man misogynist stuff that it actually became tiresome to bother it was racist too yeah he's super crazy it was like he would say things like he would just talk bad about black people and he would think what is wrong with you and he was just he was

just kind of a psycho yeah he's a total fucking lunatic. But I guess he's a darling of the right-wing manosphere. Sure. So there's this, and I'm just discovering all this, that there is a right-wing, hyper-masculinized, toxic manosphere of fucking idiots who jerk themselves off over like how fucking tough they are or whatever. Sure, yeah, yeah, whatever. Fucking, you know, lions, not sheep and all that fucking nonsense, right? It's like a big VAT attack,

toxic masculinity. Right. And it's all the weakest shit you've ever heard. Weakest masculinity you've ever seen in your life. Seriously, it is the fucking weakest shit

I've ever, it's just, there's nothing actually powerful about it. It's cringy and embarrassing. It is so cringy, man. And it's so, it's so like, it has no self-confidence. That's exactly it.

And that's the problem. It's this masculinity that has no self-confidence. Yeah. And there is something about, there's something about that, that just feels so weak. And like I say, so cringy and so just embarrassing that every time I hear about it, I always think how, like, if you are a person who follows this and if you're a person who eats this up, I, I, I can't think that you, I just feel like, are you attracted to this because you, it's like projection. You know what I mean? Yes. I literally just had the same word in my head is that whenever I hear this sort of nonsense, there is never any self-reflection. Self-reflection is

absolutely not. It is always this externally focused projection bullshit that all these people seem like crazy obsessed with. They're crazy obsessed with the activity and actions of others. Like what other people are doing? What is everybody around me doing? What's happening with somebody else? What is somebody, is somebody else not the right kind of man or that's the right kind of woman or fucking.

And it's like, why do you fucking care? Yeah. These are not relationships you were in. You are not that man. You don't have to be that person. Like you get to be whatever version of man you want to be. And literally nobody else cares because the only people that give a shit what kind of man I am are the people that are in my life. Yeah. That's it.

Yeah. Nobody else is affected by what kind of man I am. The difference is, the difference, and I think about this very often, they are anti-LGBT too, right right so they'll be anti-lgbt every time every time right very anti-lgbt here is what the problem is is that they have to follow a strict set of rules in their private life so they want to make sure you have to follow the exact same set of rules in your life do you think it's because they resent those rules? I think it's because they are trapped in a place where they have to follow it. So they want to make sure everybody else does too. In some ways, I think it's because they're very ashamed of maybe liking some of those things. That happens very often. We find out. And in this particular story, there's many allegations that Jesse Lee Peterson might be part of that community and just denying it.

There's a possibility that that's the case. At least there's been several, many, many allegations. Not just like one person said something. And really, this is a church fight. This is a fight between people that are in a church. I don't care. Somebody's trying to take him down. It could be a smear campaign. I don't know. I don't care. It literally doesn't matter. I don't care. Somebody's trying to take him down. It could be a smear campaign.

I don't know. I don't care. It literally doesn't matter. I don't care if he's LGBT at all. It doesn't matter to me at all. The only thing that matters is that he puts it down and attacks it and thinks it's less than. Yeah.

And that's the only reason. But I think these people very much are stuck because their religion's very, very strict. Yeah. Their ideals are very, very strict. And when they see someone breaking those ideals, they have to stop them from breaking those ideals because they can't have fun.

No one else can too. Man, so I totally agree that that's where, you know, it's funny because when you said like, they have to live by these certain rules, I thought, well, I live by a set of rules. But then I thought, and I wrote like, the rules I write and that's the difference, right? It's a different set. You decide your own rules. So I think about what my values are and I think about this in very explicit terms. And then I,

so I think about what my values are and then I create a set of rules around my behavior and my actions and even my thoughts that align themselves with the values that I have in order for me to wake up in the morning and feel like I've done a good job being a good man, right? And the difference is like, I don't resent those rules because I can change them if they don't serve me or if I find out that they are dysfunctional in some way. And they're rules I got to write, but you're right, man. These rules are externally imposed on these macho man, religious bigots. And they resent them because I think very often is the case. It may not be the case with Jesse Lee Peterson, right? But we've seen a million times this exact same story play out where the the most virulently anti whatever hyper

masculine whatever turns out to really be desperate to live a different life very desperate to be a different man very often they fall to the demons oh right yes you know right i says come to the demons for a little while i'll tell you what tom as Tom, as a, as a guy who's, who's, who's a hundred percent straight and sis, I've never succumbed to the demons. You know what I mean? Talk about it. Because, because I don't have any of those urges. It's not that I'm putting down those. I'm just like, have whatever urge you want. Like, like as long as nobody's hurt, like have the urge. I'm not putting it down, but I'm saying, like, I've never had those urges. Right. So, there's no temptation you're fighting. I don't know what you're talking about. But that is always the conversation. It's so funny how revealing that language is.

That language is intensely revealing. And they're talking about, like, succumbing to temptation. It's like, well, all right, man, but like you're talking about you. Yeah, but like- Like it's a- Like temptation is an individual thing. Right. If you put a glass of eggnog on the table,

I would not- I was undrunk. Right. There's no part of me- No one in the room drinks that drink. It's literally, I don't even see it as a food. Yeah. Like I have no idea that that's a consumable thing.

But there's five other people on the table and they would be rock, paper, scissors to see who gets to drink. Andrew Torres would fucking guzzle that shit and fucking luxuriate it. Except for Andrew, but I don't know anybody else. He's the only person I know that drinks that nonsense. I know that people send us messages and say

but I think they're liars. Nobody likes Andrew Torres is the only bad person that likes it. Admittedly, nobody likes it. That is the only bad person that likes it. Yeah. Admittedly, nobody likes it. But like, that's exactly it.

Like it, that is not a temptation for me, but I get that it's a temptation for other people. I can, but they always talk about it in those terms. Oh, the, the tempting homosexuality.

It's like, it's only tempting if you're homosexual. It's only tempting if you, if you lean that way, man. Right. Which is fucking fine. If you lean that way man right like which is fucking fine if you lean that way just fucking be that guy just do it it says a lot about you what you think

right tempting this shit is so fucking funny i love that it's boiling up he got kicked out of their manosphere well he got kicked out dude and this reminds me of all the other church fights we see where this you know this could be about money. It might be that there's nothing in his past at all. Now, there's, like I say, multiple people that have said this, but it might be nothing. It could literally be nothing. And to add to that, there's no evidence. There's no text messages.

There's no text messages. And I want to be true about that. There's no evidence, right? So it might be bullshit. It might be bullshit. And what I love, though, is that this is a church fight. This is a fight between two people, I think that are trying to fight over money. And they're trying to fight over influence, over a specific group of people, and they're going to fight about it. And that happens in

all different kinds of subcultures. And's happening here in this group and who knows if it's real or not. But what's crazy is if it is real, think of how long that guy has been doing this and how quiet he's been able to keep it. I know. You know? And vociferously fighting against what he is for so long. Right.

That's really... And the only reason this matters is because he is influential. I didn't know he was influential. This article was really revealing because I guess he was a prominent big deal figure within this subset of a subset of a niche of a fucking small pond. But the thing is, do you remember the guy we had on our show, David Pakman? Do you remember him? Yeah, I remember David Pakman.

David Pakman had a conversation with him. They had like a kind of debate. I mean, it really wasn't, I mean, it wasn't much of a debate because this guy's a genuine clown. So he's not anybody who I think is even close to the level of smart that David is, but like he's just,

he's one of those guys that other people know about. Right. And I think right wing watch made famous and people watch right wing watch that are on the right because they want to find these very vocal, sort of these people that are like strike points that like have this this very um loaded language that really speaks to the sort of the the sort of deep

down gears of what it means to be that you know know? And I think that they, that they seek this stuff out. So they'll seek out this right wing watch stuff and they'll be like, oh yeah, that guy who's saying that we should lie because it's in our best interest. I want to follow him. And then they'll just follow him. And this is, this guy is, you know, one of those guys. And I will say too, just to, just to call the elephant in the room, the right also has a handful of carefully selected people of color. Oh, absolutely. No, this guy is a hundred percent that. That they have, they monetize certain people of color and they do the same thing for women as well. And they- Yes, absolutely.

And they hold those people up as exemplars. Yes. And that way they get to sort of hide their racism and their misogyny behind this sort of veil that only they believe, right? Because what they have is the sort of pseudo-intellectual version of, I have a black friend. Sure. As if that somehow shields the rest of your racist activity. Wasn't Herschel Walker who was dogging on black men being absent fathers? Absolutely. Jesse Peterson does this constantly.

But Herschel Walker was. Yeah. Like, so like, that's what he did. Yeah. That's part of how he rose to prominence. And so that's like his thing. Right. And so, and it's one of those things that if you are an insider in that group,

you can say these things and not be a white nationalist. Right, yeah, absolutely. And so they can rally around that and say, no, look, look at who we found. Right. We found a guy who's willing to say all the things the white nationalists are saying.

He just happens to be black. We found a guy who will take our paychecks and be our fucking shield. Like, there is a certain element that there's like, these are the kind of like race beards. You know, like, you there's like, these are kind of like race beards. You know? Like a gay person has a beard.

It's like your racial beard. It's like somebody that you're holding up to sort of hide the reality of your fucking white nationalist racist bullshit. It's all just bullshit, but they find somebody who can tout it. There's a part of this article I have to read just because it's fucking funny.

Peterson's ideas about gender can be eccentric, even by the standards of his compatriots, with Peterson claiming that a woman who orgasms during sex is somehow becoming a man, a practice he frowns upon. This is one of those self-owning moments where... This is one of those self-owning moments where this is like fucking Ben Shapiro talking about how like a wet pussy is a disease. He's talking about, man, my fucking wife's pussy is so dry. Like so dry. Guys, when you're shitting for six straight hours at a time, do your legs sometimes fall asleep when you're shitting for six? Like when somebody says that, you're just like, what is happening in your life? Why are you, what is going on?

I love a guy who calls himself out as being bad in bed. Yeah. Right. And he's like, he's blaming. Well, look, I haven't been with one of these. I haven't been one of these women with orgasms. I don't like these manly women with orgasms. I mean, not that I ever assumed he would be good in bed.

Yeah. But I mean, to call yourself out. Holy shit, dumbass. Holy. And then obviously the manosphere people gobble it up because they're just like, I'm also a selfish lover. I'm also a bad in bed. Wait, hold on a second. You're saying that women can orgasm

but what why would i bother with that what gross that's amazing man what are you gonna treat them like people next amazing that's fucking amazing it's such a crazy line where you just think yikes yeah fucking yikes this yikes. I feel super sorry for everyone you've ever touched. Yes. Seriously, I read this and I thought of when Jordan Peterson relayed the dream about his grandmother's pubic hair or whatever.

Dude, keep that to yourself. What are you saying that for? Keep that to yourself. You could not get that out with enhanced interrogation. You could not get that out. Thank you. If this was what I thought, you couldn't get this out. Thank you. Fucking Jesse the Body Bantura with a fucking rag and a bucket of water couldn't get this out of me. Are you kidding me?

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to ruin. Get out! Get out of my house! This story comes from the Star Tribune. The battle for reproductive rights moves to the front register. Unsurprising. This is, this is the most, yes, of course, this is beginning to happen story. A woman at Walgreens went into the Walgreens to buy condoms and the jackass behind the register was like, yeah, I can't sell those to you because of my religious bullshit. And she had to wait and

call over a manager. And my favorite part of the story is like, she had to have a manager called over to ring this shit up. Walgreens supported this guy's decision, by the way, guys. And it's important because it's, yeah. Is it, is it monstrous and stupid and misogynist that some motherfucker would look at a woman and say, because of my stupid fucking beliefs, I don't want you to have contraception? Yes, 100%. But this is problematic because Walgreens is a pharmacy. Yes. And Walgreens stood behind this guy's decision. And there are going to be family owned pharmacies. There are going to be

people in small towns who can't just drive to the next, you know, CVS a half a mile down the road. Right. You know, we are giving people the option now to turn people away, not just for abortion, but for contraception. Yeah. And, and I always say like, you might find something morally objectionable, then just don't do the job. Just do a different job. Yeah. You, here's the thing, man. It's not a job that, that required a ton of schooling. It's not a job that you're sunk cost fallacy where you're so deep into it. You're a cashier. I mean, like, like there's another job out there for you where you don't have to be put on the spot

and do something that you think is morally reprehensible. That's cool. You don't have to do it. You literally don't have to do it ever again. Don't do it. The worst part about this is the calling out in front of everybody. Yeah, the shaming.

And it's the shaming. That's what it's for. It's for shaming. I want to shame you in front of everybody. Yeah. The shaming. And it's the shaming. That's what it's for. It's for shaming. I want to shame you in front of everybody. I want everybody to know that my principles are making it so I won't sell this to you. And now I can't even just like let my boss come in and ring this up. No, no, no. Yeah. I've got to get completely wrung out of this register because I don't even want to look at it. I don't even want to be associated with it. I need you to completely, so I need to inconvenience not just you, but everybody who's waiting in line behind you, everybody up here, you're stacking up and that's okay

because you know what? I want to shame you, not just in front of me. I want to shame you in front of this whole store. I want an audience when I shame you. And that's, so if it takes a little time and I get a bigger audience, oh fucking well, hey, you know what Walgreens, I'm never ever using your store again. How's that? I am a hundred percent going to call my doctor if ever I have anything. Cause the shop that I use is Walgreens. I will never use it again. I'll never enter that store again. I'm going to call my doctor and I'll be like, you know what? Send my shit to CVS. And when I hear CVS does this, then I'll be like, send it to the local pharmacy. I'll call, I'll be like, you know what? Send my shit to CVS. And when I hear CVS does this, then I'll be like, send it to the local pharmacy. I'll call, I'll fucking physically call

every pharmacy to figure out who's letting jackasses at their register decide their policy. Yep. Seriously, it's that big a deal because Walgreens, when Walgreens representatives heard about this, they're like, yeah,

we stand behind the rights of our employees not to perform transactions they're comfortable with. That's not okay. Your store sells medical supplies. Every single one of those is a right-wing talking point. There's not a single person on the left that's like, I object to you selling that. What are you going to say? What do you object to them selling? I can't think of anything. I can't think of a single thing. It's only fucking contraception. It's only the day after pill. It's only shit that they want to be fucking judgy about. Fuck you.

Yeah, this is- Small fucking government, fuck you. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Fuck you. Fuck Walgreens, man. Fuck that. Dude, I'm right there with you.

Fuck that. I heard the same thing and I was like, yeah, all right. Well, I'm a CVS man. That's it. Fuck amen. Because if you're not, if you're not going to call out your own employees and be like, you know what? Yes. And they, and they said, yeah, we moved him to, so he doesn't have to do that anymore. It's like, well, I don't fucking care. He should have never been doing it in the first place. That should be on your fucking application. Are you willing to give out condoms? No, then get the fuck out of here or stock shelves or something else. But we're not going to put you on a register

because now you're going to be shaming our customers. Yeah, I'm sorry, but like if you show up to work and you don't do your job, you should be fucking fired. That's how jobs work. Right. And I mean, this is actually a fairly big deal. What if that person had been the pharmacist? Yeah. No, it's 100% true. What if that person had been the

only pharmacist on duty because it's a small fucking store in a rural part of America. And they said, you know what? I'm not going to fill your prescription for a methapristol or however you fucking say it. Or for plan B or for some other, and it doesn't even have to be that. Like it could be any medication, guys. It could be any medication. You were saying when we were on the live stream, you had said that some ulcer control medicines were also used for dual purpose to abort, right?

So they were used as a way to either abort or— That's what it started off as. That's what it started as. A stomach ulcer medication. A stomach ulcer medication. So let's say I have stomach ulcers, and I happen to be a woman. Right. And I walk in.

Yep. And they say, no, man, can't give that to you. I don't believe in it. Be like, you don't believe in my stomach ulcer? Yeah. I mean, there are also a bunch of states. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. Because there are a bunch of states that are also talking about passing laws or have passed laws that make it illegal for doctors to prescribe medicines which might result in a miscarriage.

So think about this. Let's say you're visibly pregnant and you have cancer and you need to go get chemo pills or other medicines that are 100% going to end in a miscarriage. But it's either that or you're going to die. These laws require you to be in imminent danger. Are we saying that now it's okay for a pharmacist to say, I'm not going to give you your fucking chemotherapy pills or other medications because I can see you're visibly fucking pregnant?

They fucking dispense the medicine. It's 100% one more reason to take away autonomy from women. That's all it is. It's just one more reason that we get to take autonomy from you. We not only did it once. We're going to do it again, and we're going to do it again, and we're going to do it again. And I don't care that you have cancer. Maybe you won't die before you have the baby.

That's not, whatever. You don't get to make these choices you you can't make your own choice we won't let you do yep that is the if you want to look back at the history of misogyny in america remember that as racist and we are so racist as racist a country as we are the 14th amendment gave black men the right to vote it did not give black people the right to vote yeah women of any color didn't get the right to vote until the 19th fucking amendment yeah that's it yeah like we we are we still have not passed the equal rights amendment the equal Amendment, which would federally guarantee equal pay, has still not passed. It is not an amendment to the Constitution. We are a deeply

misogynist nation. The anti-abortion, anti-contraception, I don't know for certain if this pharmacist would have denied selling those condoms to a guy, right? I don't know that for certain. Maybe, maybe, maybe, who knows? But what I know for certain is the condoms matter because they protect against disease, but they matter because they protect against pregnancy and I can't get pregnant. Yep. I can't get pregnant. That's the end of that story. I can't get pregnant. That's the end of that story. So the war on women continues, and this is a major loss.

And companies like Walgreens that stand behind their employees, misogyny, and not selling contraception is only rooted in misogyny. It's rooted in stay fucking pregnant. Sure, yeah. Why don't I want you to get contraception? Because I'd rather you were pregnant. So you're not vying for my job. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Yep. I'm a doctor, Larry. Well, he's a pharmacist. Yes. And I'm a doctor. He's a pharmacist. Doctor. Pharmacist. Doctor. Pharmacist. Fine. This story comes from Politico. Biden administration of pharmacies refusing to fill contraception and abortion pill prescriptions could break federal law. So this is part of an executive order that Biden signed, pressured pretty hard by Democrats to sign this executive order. Whether or not this actually does anything or has any effect will remain to be seen. But what this

does is it sets up a legal fight between the Department of Justice and federal officials and these states. Because these pills, these medicines, these are regulated by the FDA. Yeah. And if they are FDA approved and your doctor prescribes them and then the state says you can't have them, we now have a federal versus state showdown. Right, yeah.

Which will certainly make its way up the chain to the courts. And then they'll choose. Where it will lose the states. Yeah. Because that's what's going to happen. 100%. But you got to have the fight. You've got to fight. You've got to have the fight. Never let it go. You've got to have the states. Because that's what's going to happen. 100%. But you've got to have the fight.

You've got to fight. You've got to have the fight. Never let it go. You've got to have the fight. And we wind up with this sort of... There's ways to stall, right? And I think that's what they're trying to do in any way that they can.

Yeah. Because they're just trying to stall and trying to keep rights as long as they possibly can in some of these places. They're trying to do it in multiple different states. There's already some they possibly can in some of these places. They're trying to do it in multiple different states. There's already some fights going on in some of these states back and forth where one judge says yes, one judge says no, one judge says yes,

one judge says no. So they're already trying to just do their best to keep as much rights as possible. But it's going to be an uphill battle until something happens on a federal level that can, you know, maybe legalize abortion. But, you know, we are in a position right now where that does not look possible with the current climate that we have. It's just not possible. So there's already anti-choicers in the House. There's not enough to stop it, but there's plenty of Democrat anti-choicers that would fight against it. And there's enough in the Senate. That is a dead deal. That is a dead deal.

And it's a dead deal anyway because of the filibuster period, but it's a dead deal even if you could get rid of the filibuster, it's probably a dead deal anyway. You still probably wouldn't even have the votes even if you did have people on board with the filibuster. You just don't,

you just have such a razor thin margin for the tiniest things. It's just impossible. It is. So you're in a bad way right now, but you gotta keep trying to fight. And I think that's what they're just doing is just trying to do what they can.

And I think you've gotta keep creating, to your point, the fight is important because you've gotta keep creating bottlenecks and roadblocks and legal challenges and barriers. Every day that somebody is fighting for women's rights, somebody is able to get medical care that they need. One more person.

So it might be a stalling tactic, but let's fucking stall. Stall as you can. If there's fucking hordes at the gate and I know they are eventually going to overwhelm me, I don't open the gate and say, well, fuck it. Let's die Tuesday instead of Friday.

I'll die Friday, thank you. Like stall, like everything you can, because there's some 10 year old girl in Ohio that needs a fucking abortion. And then there's people all across the state that need help right now and they need to get it as soon as they can. And if you put a kibosh on it and you just give up,

then they don't get any of the help. And there might be a variety of unique legal challenges. One of the things that's interesting is that, you know, a law has, in order for something, and I don't, I'm not a fucking law talking guy, but it seems to me that in order for something to be, go up to the Supreme Court, they have to make a ruling. And that ruling is based on the constitutionality, of course, right? That's the Supreme Court's job. So sometimes the courts are reluctant to make certain decisions because they necessarily lead to other decisions. And so there may be unique legal challenges here where they might say, hey, look, the states have no right to regulate this kind of federal activity.

And the Supreme Court might say, shit, we don't want to open that up because it opens up this other bigger can of worms. That's always a problem, right? Yeah. Because it could lead to something else. Right. So that sort of domino, legal sort of domino effect. I don't think any of those people are that smart. Dude, I don't know, man.

I don't think they're that smart. They feel strategic. Do they? Yeah. The Supreme Court feels to me really strategic. They do. Okay. They feel evil, but like they do feel fairly strategic. When I look at certain justices, I think they're not smart enough. Like when I think, look at Brett Kavanaugh, I don't think he's strategic. I think he's voting with his, when I look at Amy Coney Barrett, I think she's just voting for, I do too. So those two, but it might be that there's more strategy. Somebody else is probably driving the strategy. Right. But I don't think that either of those, when I look at either of those, I think they're there. They look like the id of the Supreme court. Yeah. I think that's true.

I do. I think that that I actually, I feel the same read. I do. I think that I actually feel the same read that you feel. I think that those guys are just shills. They're just fucking legal hack political shill motherfuckers who, by the way, can't eat at Morton's. Yeah, good. Can we talk about that Morton's thing? Fuck Morton's. Fuck Morton's too.

I'll never go to Morton's. I went years ago. It was very, very boring. Fuck Morton's. So if you guys didn a Morton's. I went years ago. It was very, very boring. Fuck Morton's. So if you guys didn't follow this, like Brett Kavanaugh went to Morton's Steakhouse and protesters found out he was at the steakhouse. They showed up outside the steakhouse.

Outside the steakhouse. Right. Where they have a right to protest. Outside the steakhouse. Yep. And they protest. Nobody came in and spit on his food. Nobody flipped his table over.

Right. Nobody lit the building on fire. They literally just stood outside and they protested. Yep. But they made him feel the big feels, which,

like good. He got the big frown that he had when he was like, like shake crying when they were talking about his beer or whatever. Just fucking Tobin and Squee

were there at his table and they weren't able to save him. They weren't able to eat the au jus or something, whatever. And so, but Morton's... He had to leave out the back. He did.

He had to escape out the back without dessert. His cheesecake, his mile-high cheesecake he couldn't eat or whatever. And Morton's came out and said, everybody has the right to enjoy a nice dinner in privacy. No, they don't. And this shouldn't have happened. And I was like, fuck you. What are you talking about? No, they don't. What do you mean? We don't have

a right to privacy, asshole. You know what? They took it away. You literally took that away. That's why the protesters are here. Took it away. They took it away already. So fuck you. Like, like live with what you did. Yes. You know, you, you, you're the one who's saying there's no privacy. Well, then fucking live with that. Oh, what are you? You don't like it when somebody fucking interrupts your dinner? Too fucking bad. You don't like when people interfere with the function of your life that should be your own personal fucking business? Yeah, it's your own decision. Oh.

Oh, I'm messing with your decision on where you want to eat? Sorry. Is your decision some kind of holy thing? Fuck you. Fuck you. Never enjoy a good meal again. Fuck you. I genuinely.

Make his life miserable. Don't check him out when they come in. When he comes into your place, don't check him out. Yeah. Yeah. Every day when in a fucking Walgreens, do it somewhere else. Right. When is there ever like one of these moments where like somebody actually like does it

for like principles of how bad a person is? I know, man. It's always like, oh, my religion. I'd be like, no, you're an asshole. That's why I'm not checking you out. That's it. It doesn't have anything to do with me. It has everything to do with you.

Fuck you. Fuck you personally. Fuck you. Just 100%, man, we should tweet out everywhere these people are at. Everywhere. There's a Twitter account

that popped up that said, we will send you, if you find them, we will send you like a $100 Visa gift card. Good. Tell us where they're at.

If it's confirmed, you get a $100 Visa gift card. Fucking A. Put bounties on it. Any one of these six. Because guess what they're doing in Texas. Thank you. Yes. Right?

Yep. That's what they're doing in Texas. When someone makes a decision, a decision to do something, they immediately have some fucking ass, some random asshole could be like, I'm going to sue Uber driver. I'm going to sue the guy over here. I'm going to sue this person, that person,

this person. They could sue a bunch of people with bounties. Well, Hey, if somebody happens to fucking have a bounty, Hey, court said that was fine. Look,

dickheads, there's no right to eat at Morton's anywhere written in the fucking constitution. I'm sorry. Nothing in there. I don't, you shouldn't be able to drive anywhere for groceries, take a vacation, check into a hotel,

go to a fucking dinner. You should not be able to leave your house. If Brett Kavanaugh's behind you in traffic, you should get out of your car and sit on the fucking hood. Fucking A dude. You should get out of your car and sit on the hood. We, all six of those motherfuckers.

And I genuinely, truly, if you ever see them anywhere, tweet it out. Immediately tweet it out. Everybody should blast where these fuckers are at every moment of the day.

They should be able to do nothing privately. Until they change their mind on privacy. Once you change your mind on privacy, I'm willing to respect you. I'll respect you. But it turns out that you took so much privacy away

from over 50% of the people in this country. So why should I care? Why should I? Convince me to care by changing your decision. Let's pass a fucking amendment that says we have a fucking right to privacy. And that's the thing is like, watch what happens though.

Someone's going to pass a law that's going to make it so that you can't like talk about these people or protest these people or go to their houses or whatever, like they were doing. They're going to make a law to protect these, these guys. They're going to do some kind of law or something. And if it shows up in front of them, they're already motivated to vote for it. How can they even be unbiased about that if it shows up in front of them i know but you know the one good thing about something like the internet is it can be pretty fucking hard to figure out who's tweeting some stuff out yeah we're like a fucking bot account a vpn yeah it's like yeah fuck you that's who yeah Fuck you. Yeah, man. I completely agree.

Fuck those people. Fuck those people. Until they instill back into our government right to privacy, they shouldn't get it. That's it. Why should you have a right I don't have? I agree.

Fucking equal shit for everybody. Sorry, man. You're not going to be able to enjoy your fucking medium well steak. Oh, well. All six of them eat it with ketchup. You know 100% they overcooked it at Morton's. You know they overcooked it.

You know they came out. And they used some garbage-y seasoned salt. They overcooked and it was fucking full of weird, like it tastes like somebody smoked in the room or something. It's going to have that flavor where you're like, wow, that fucking acrid what is that lemon pepper on there what did you do send it back This is just delightful. This is from the God blog at dot uh conservatives rage after once again discovering rage against the machine is against them jesus christ i mean come on man rage against

the machine is a ban from the 90s that during the clinton administration they were up in arms, not because they were right wing, but because they were further left than the Clintons. Way left than the Clintons. Yeah. Like, read a lyric. Yeah. Read a one lyric. Yeah. The fucking, like, I fucking forgot his name, but the fucking lead singer is a fuck, he's got a fucking poli-sci degree from Harvard.

Yeah. singer is a fuck he's got a fucking poli-sci degree from harvard yeah um actually tom morello has the bachelor's in social studies and you know focus on poli-sci that he's the guitarist of rage against the machine zach de la rocha has a um phd in anthropology so that's just you know okay like these are not non-political. Read a lyric once. What? Read it one time. Read it one time. Watch the videos.

Do you remember the fucking videos? Like, Rage Against the Machine videos are super fucking political. Listen, buy the CD with the burning monk on it. What do you think that's about? What? Well, they just like burning people. Burning man, Tom. Burn it down. We like burning people. Yeah. Burning man, Tom. Burn it down.

We like burning man. Burn it all down, man. Man, it's cool. No, the fucking, it's so funny to watch these people. In the 90s, it was late, no, it was 2000s.

So Bush is in at that point. They kicked him off the stage at Saturday Night Live because they came out with an upside down American flag behind him. Yeah, I remember this. Yeah. They had an upside down and they started playing and then they saw the with an upside down American flag behind them. Yeah, I remember this. Yeah.

An upside down. They started playing and then they saw the American flag and they're like, nope. And they just fucking close. They're like, nope. Nope.

Close up shop. Nope. That's how I remember it. I don't remember if it's possible. Maybe it's possible I'm misremembering it. It was years ago, but I just remember

I think I remember the same thing. There was something about an upside down flag that them getting taken off of a show, as I recall. So maybe I'm wrong on the show. Maybe I think I remember the same thing there was something about on a side down flag that them getting taken off of a show as I recall so maybe I'm wrong on the show maybe I'm wrong

on the whatever but I vaguely remember it but you know like this is a group of people that were like really really really really really really really far left

farther left farther left way farther left than fucking than the Bush era right way farther left than the Bush era and that farther left than the Bush era.

And that's when they dropped a bunch of stuff. So I don't know how you listened to them during that era, like back in the day and not realize. I have no fucking idea. What do you think? Tell me what you think the machine is. I really just do me a favor. Just tell me what do you think the machine is?

Because it's got to be the most delightful answer to that question for people who are upset. Can you imagine what they're figuring out the machine is? For the first time? This would be like the left trying to co-opt Kid Rock. Right. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

Or Ted Nugent. Yes. Right. We just think, yeah, Ted Nugent. He's always been a lefty, right? Yeah. Ted Nugent. Yes. Right. We just think, yeah, Ted Nugent. He's always been a lefty, right? Yeah. Ted Nugent. Ted Nugent's a lefty.

Fuck that dude. He's on our side. He's a trap dodger. He's got to be a lefty, right? I thought he was dating AOC. Didn't he piss in his own mouth to avoid the draft or something? Didn't he like shoot it up in the air like a fountain and like, ah, just gobbled it down? What the?

This is. That guy's farther left than everybody. Are you kidding me? It's Ted Nugent. It's fucking, it's old progressive Ted. I literally, what is,

I can't think of a single song Ted Nugent sings. No, I don't either. Hot blooded maybe? Is that his song? I, I don't know any Ted Nugent.

I'm sure we know a Ted Nugent song. Look up a Ted Nugent song. It's like, there's some of the fever or something. There's like a hot song in there as I recall.

Like a hot sauce song? Like a hot sauce song about something Ted Nugent. What I need is like, all right, top 10 classic Ted Nugent songs. Motor City,

Madhouse, never heard it. Stormtrooper, never heard it. Fred Bear, never heard it. Great White Buffalo, never heard of it.

Free For All, I think I have heard. Journey to the Center of the Mind, never heard it. white buffalo never heard of it free for all i think i have heard uh journey to the center of the mind never heard it while wall wango tango i know wang dang sweet poo tang no i don't know that one stranglehold cat scratch fever i knew there was a fever okay a fever for the flavor of a cat scratch fever. I had that song mixed up with the made up song from Almost Famous. Did you see that movie Almost Famous? Yeah, it was decades ago. I don't remember it. I like that movie.

It's a cool soundtrack too. Almost Famous, there's a made up band and they have a made up fever song. And I had that mixed up with this fever song. Cat scratch fever. God damn. Anyway, so that's the with this fever song. Cat scratch fever. God damn. Anyway, so that's the only Ted Nugent song I have. What a fucking tool. It's clearly, he's clearly a lefty.

Clearly a lefty. Oh, it's very, yeah. Just like rage is a fucking right wing. Yeah, the old, old right wing rage against the machine. Next year, it's CPAC. You expect to have rage against the machine. Open up. I love for Trump. How fucking but butt hurt they are to find this out it's so good and i've seen like tweets i'm sure you've seen them too where people

are like oh now we're getting political rage and just like what literally every song now we're good it's now it's just now who do you think the bulls are that are on the parade? What is happening? How do people listen to music? What forces do you think they were talking about? Some of them are in forces. Do you remember that? Are the same that burn

crosses? Do you remember that line? Yeah, but I thought that was about like stormtroopers and like there's a Jedi reference. Actually, I thought it was a reference to church. You know, there's incense, there's a cross. Holy shit. Yeah, holy shit

is it church? So it's got the whole thing. I swear to God, I'll pistol whip the next guy that says shenanigans. Hey, Farva, what's the name of that restaurant you like with all the goofy shit on the walls and the mozzarella sticks? You mean shenanigans? No. So I love this story so much.

The story comes from the Washington Post. Pregnant woman given HOV ticket argues fetus as passenger. Post row. You know, the thing is, is this person's not an activist, right? They didn't do this specifically as an activist to try to start shit. They did it because they were running late. Right.

So, and they even come out and admit it. But even if it has unintended consequences of making people think about this in a different way, that's how it should be thought about. I think that this needs to be thought about in those ways, in those corner case ways

that push people and make people uncomfortable. 100%. Make people uncomfortable with them controlling you with your body. Make them feel uncomfortable about it and hurt them. Hurt them in the pocketbook is what I say. Yep, that's it. And this is taking money out of the,

it's taking money away from the state, which the state doesn't like. You could do this when it comes to insurance and other things where you're suddenly, you're suddenly making these weird gray areas where you're saying, no, man, you're saying it's a person. Well, if it's a person, then I had this miscarriage. Where's my life insurance or something. You know what I mean? Like I'm saying that I don't think that that's possible, but you know what I mean is what I'm, I'm building off that. It's like we were talking about earlier, which is, you know, if legally one thing is true, other things necessarily follow in many cases. It ties up. Right.

So if we are saying that a fetus is a fully legal human being, then all kinds of interesting shit must therefore also be true, right? So, like, should people have a, should they get a child tax credit? Yeah. Before the child is born? Yeah, absolutely. They should. Should, as soon as you're pregnant, should you get a social security number? Absolutely. You know, right now the way it works is the, on the, on when the moment a child is born, that is the date. And for that year, you get a child tax credit for the full year. So it's not like prorated. So if you have a kid on December 31st. And you had a kid in December. I did. Yeah. I did. Yeah. So you get a child tax credit for the whole year. Right. So, and if you ever get pregnant and it miscarries, you should still get the child tax credit. Yeah. Because if you have

a child and it dies that same year, you get the tax credit. This is big dollars, guys. This adds up to billions and billions of dollars the federal government is going to have to fucking deal with. You got to do shit like that. I think also if it's legally a person, we've got to start making a case like, look, pregnant, child support begins immediately. Yeah. Let's put some of the financial burden on the backs of somebody other than women. Pregnancy isn't cheap. Right. Pregnancy is expensive. Yeah. And if you're not there, yeah. I was one person supposed to, how's one person supposed to do all that work leading up to it and then not have the child. Yeah, absolutely. Like, like you, you should be, if you, if you leave before then now you're on the hook. I think, I think it's

legitimately like if somebody is pregnant and you're not going to stick around and she can't get an abortion, you need to be financially on the hook. If that thing, if that fetus is legally a person, all kinds of shit necessarily has to follow. Yeah. And I think we need to push that envelope to your point in ways that cost money to people that don't want to spend it. If it costs money, people are going to change their mind. You inconvenience business in this

country, things get changed, man. Things get changed. And so that's what I think you do. And you inconvenience big businesses with big lobbies, like insurance lobbies and shit. Sure. Yep. That'll be rough for them. Yes, it will. So I think that this is one of those stories. It's one of those stories that's kind of funny. And I don't think this person meant for it to be like that, but it's such a great, it's such a great, uh, observation. And I'll be perfectly frank. Even if I wasn't somebody who was pro choice, I would still think that a pregnant lady should probably use the HOV lane. Get the HOV

lane. I love that she's been pregnant. This is her fourth. This is her fourth. And she's driven in the HOV lane every time. I think it's great because, you know, being pregnant is super uncomfortable and there's things pressing on inside your body in ways that most people don't have to deal with. So what if she has to pee? Right.

You know, shouldn't she be in the HOV lane or whatever? So she's less likely to be inconvenienced. I just, even if I'm not pro-choice, I still think maybe we should just open an HOV. Get the fucking HOV line. It's fine. But if it makes a point and they say that's a person now and then they cut back,

then I'm willing to say no HOV line. I just love this. Yeah. I just absolutely adore this. So we want to thank our patrons. Of course, we want to thank our patrons. Of course, we want to thank all our patrons. We want to thank our newest patrons, Joe, Ira, Christine, Kaylee, Mike, LB Shreve, Bajunk,

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Avogadro, the mole. That's a good one. I like that one. Dave, Joe, Ira, and Christie and the people who up their pledges, Kevin,

Dan OG, and Navy Dave. We appreciate all you patrons. We want to let you know, Tom and I have on the calendar, next weekend, we're probably going to be reading and talking about the first seven chapters of the book,

Rise of the Warrior Cop by Radley Belko. We will be talking about it on a patron-only episode. So if you're not a patron, you want to hear that episode, you need to become a patron. We are going to be talking about it as the book club.

It's going to be opening up. We are hoping it's probably going to drop the last week of July. Keep your eye out for our patrons. So Tom, we got a little bit of email, but we want to play a voicemail first. This is from Jackie. Hey guys, big fan of the podcast.

I was just listening to your most recent episode in the section where you are talking about the documentary after Tiller. And you mentioned there are only four providers in the country that will do those third trimester abortions. That really shocked me. in the country that will do those third trimester abortions. That really shocked me. In my head, I had always thought that the third trimester abortions were an induced birth because you have to give birth at that point. And I got to Googling and I couldn't really find anything with that number. So I was just hoping you could send me your source just so that when I'm making that claim, I have something to back it up other than, oh, I heard it on a podcast. Again, really love the show. You guys are doing fantastic. I look forward to it every week. Thanks. All right. So I guess I'm going to offer

something that you heard about it from my heard about it, right? Which is I would encourage you to watch the documentary After Tiller. It's available, I think, on Prime or Netflix. I don't remember which one I watched it on. But you are right. They do have to actually go through a labor process. According to the documentary After Tiller, the abortion is performed. So essentially, the fetus is euthanized, and then the labor is induced, and then the woman has to go through a labor process to deliver the fetus. So that's how they do the third trimester abortion. in the opposite direction, which is where they go through a labor process and actually give birth or at the penultimate moment prior to delivery, then there's a euthanization process.

But that's not the case, actually. They inject the fetus, euthanize the fetus, and then they induce labor after that, and then they go through this process. But if you watch the movie after Tiller, they interview all four of them at length. That's what the documentary is about. After I watched it,

I did Google to find out if maybe there were more because that documentary was from 2015, which is admittedly seven years ago. And I was not able to find it through my Googling, which I spent maybe 10 minutes on. I don't want to pretend I spent hours. But at least in a fairly cursory search, I did not see any other third trimester abortion providers. So if after Tiller is still accurate from 2015, there are four providers of third trimester abortions.

And I would suspect, too, that in the credits of that, you could probably find, or actually if you find a website that's based on it, you may be able to find some of their sources as well. So, uh, so I would, I would maybe start there and take a look. Uh, but it's a popular documentary. It's a great documentary. Here's the thing. If it was something that wasn't, that was, that was easily disputed, someone would have disputed it by now. Yeah. Yeah. I, and I, I just encourage disputed it by now. Yeah, yeah. And I just encourage you to watch the documentary. It's worth your time. It really is well done.

Got several messages about my cat passing away. My cat died. It didn't pass away. We killed it, although it was going to die later than the day. We had it euthanized, but it was going to die later in the day. And a bunch of people sent me messages saying,

you know, you just reached out and telling me how sorry they were. Thank you so much for the messages. It was very difficult on my family. Young cats, so it was tough, way tough. We've had some young cats go and it's always tougher when the older ones go, you kind of expect it, right? When at 13, 14, you expect it. But when they're young, you don't expect it. And so it was a very difficult time and I appreciate everybody who reached out to me. Thank you so much. Got an excellent image.

This is of Rudy Giuliani. We're going to post on this week's show notes. You're not going to want to miss this. Thank you, Seth, for sending it in. We got a message. This is from Bafa Matt's best buddy besides Basil Bub. That's great.

They said, quick book club question. Is Ian involved in scheduling it? Just wondering if I should really look forward to it this year. Yikes. Ouch. Fucking yikes. Ouch.

Careful. Ian controls the back end of a lot of things. Baphomet. Ouch. Basil Bubb. You better watch out there. We got a message from Phoenix. And Phoenix says,

one of you guys said something to the effect of there isn't a far left or that the Overton window has been moved so that people like you are far left. Respectively, that's not accurate. And they send a message about people who are farther left than us. They send a podcast that shows that people are farther left than us. Well, I never said that there wasn't anybody farther left than us. I just said that the Overton window shifted so that it appears as if we are far leftist, but there are people that are way farther left than Tom and I. Massively so.

Way farther left than Tom and I. Massively so. And so I want to make sure that that's understood. There are way more people in the country that are farther left than us. It just turns out that when people envision what the far left is nowadays, they don't even think about those people. They think about real simple things. That's how the Overton window works, right? Is that it starts making things that are almost centrist seem like they're far leftist ideals. Absolutely. Yeah. We've gotten to the point where Absolutely. Yeah, we've gotten to the point where centrist ideas, European centrist ideas are considered far left ideas in America because things have shifted so far.

Universal healthcare is a perfect example of this. Right, exactly. To say that that's a far leftist ideal is a silly thing. It's not. Almost every country in the world has universal healthcare. We're the only ones that don't do it. And to say that that's like a dangerous leftist ideology means that the Overton window has shifted far enough

so that enough people in the country think it's that's true, even if it's not. So that's what that is. Maybe you don't understand the Overton window or maybe you didn't hear me correctly, but I never said that no one is farther left than us. Got a message about the oak curls that we use. We, on the stream,

if you guys don't watch the stream every week on the stream, we, we, most weeks we, we take a look at some whiskey. And recently we started bottling, uh, uh, mash bill whiskeys that are of very expensive whiskeys. That turns out that these are the cheaper versions of those whiskeys that are not bought, that are not barreled as long. And we've been putting these charred oak curls in them and putting them in mason jars and then saving them for weeks. And then they taste very different after we've inserted these curls,

these oak curls into them. Tom, someone is asking what the curls are. Yeah, so you can get these. I ordered them from Amazon because I was lazy. You can get them at like craft brew supply stores. They're actually probably cheaper if I remember. I used to buy them at craft supply stores. They're about $10.

They're barrel aged in a bottle. Oak infusion spirals is what they're called. So, but barrel aged in a bottle is the brand. So this week on our live stream, we watched over two hours worth of footage on the January 6th hearing, so you can check that out. It's on the live stream that we did this last week. If you're missing

these, we're getting, you know, a lot of people in chat are having conversations. They're enjoying us watching these. If you haven't watched these yet, go check them out. They're really fun and we do talk over them a little, but we don't talk over them throughout the whole thing. We let a lot of it play.

We'll pause it occasionally and have a little conversation and sometimes get very angry about it. But if you get a chance and you're interested in watching these particular hearings, you can catch them. We are recording and we are actually running a live stream an hour earlier than we normally would. We started at eight instead of nine.

And any week that there is one of these hearings, chances are we will be starting an hour earlier so we can watch part of the hearing or most of the hearing. Next week there's one, so we'll probably start at 8 o'clock again. Alright, well that is going to wrap it up for this week. We're going to leave you like we always do with the Skeptic's Creed. The skeptics creed. Credulity is not a virtue. It's fortune cookie cutter, mommy issue, hypno-Babylon bullshit.

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