Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 648: Nuclear Flash Mob

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

Show Notes

This episode of Cognitive Dissonance is brought to you by our patrons. You fucking rock. Be advised that this show is not for children, the faint of heart, or the easily offended. The explicit tag is there for a reason. recording live from glory hole studios in chicago and beyond This is Cognitive Dissonance. Every episode we blast anyone who gets in our way. We bring critical thinking, skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big, or makes us mad. It's skeptical, it's political, and there is no welcome mat. This is episode 648 or thereabouts.

Ian will pop in and tell you. Yeah, he'll let you know. If I screw that up, Ian will pop in and tell you. Maybe he'll just throw a new ad in at the beginning too. See, so I'm working from home, as you know. So nine days out of 10, I work from home exclusively. And the whole day, you know, every once in a while, I got to go in for meetings and stuff.

And so you see all these horror stories of these sort of like zoom faux pas that happen sure yeah people with their dick out right just like yeah you know being like a fucking journalist who jerks off on camera what have you like all that horror story shit and just like random embarrassing i'm not a cat i don't think it's that bad if you if you mute like i don't think it's that bad if you mute. Like, I don't think it's that bad. If you just make them watch? You got to mute. It's like a silent flasher.

You just don't hear that sort of... Anyway, you're saying. So, and I've always looked, I've looked down my nose at those people for the longest time, like since day one. Uh-oh. Nay, shall I look down through my nose again. What happened?

So this morning I've got an 8 a.m. call, right? And it's a call with a couple of people at my level, then a bunch of managers that are under my level, but still important people in our company, and not a few of them, like a dozen, give or take, right? And it's a fairly important call. And I've got some things to contribute at the front end of the call. So I need to make sure that I was on and I was awake.

And so I'm there. You know, I'm up at 6 a.m. I got the kids off to school, but I'm in my bathrobe. Because like, I don't need to get dressed. I am not going to be on camera. I don't need to be on camera for this call. That's, this is so, so I've got, and most of this call, I'm not going to be a contributor. So most of this call, I need to shut the fuck up and listen and just kind of back off, right?

Yeah, yeah. All right. So I've got the agenda. And when I'm on the phone, I pace. I wander around the house. Sometimes, like, if I'm on mute, I'll listen and do dishes. I just, I can't sit still. I'm not a sit-still guy.

So I'm bouncing around my house and I'm getting Haley a drink. So I'm in and I hear my, one of the people that works for me, thankfully, and we've got a very good relationship. And she says, oh, Tom, are you packing or something? I see boxes. And I looked down.

I thought I had hit mute. What I did instead is I hit the camera on button. Oh no. Somehow. Oh no. I can't imagine how I looked down. I thought I had hit mute. What I did instead is I hit the camera on button. Oh, no. Somehow. Oh, no. I can't imagine how I did this. I'm wondering if, like, I did it by accident with a finger touch or whatever. You know that some people can unmute and untake your camera off if they're in control of the meeting, too.

I actually didn't know they could turn your camera on. They might be able to turn your camera on. I know they can unmute you. I know they can unmute you on—we use Teams. We don't use Zoom. We use Teams. Then I don camera on. I know they can unmute you. I know they can unmute you on, we use Teams. We don't use Zoom. We use Teams. Then I don't know. I don't know.

So evidently, like I'm walking around, the camera's waving through my house, looking at the ceiling, looking, because I'm not, I'm just wandering around. So there's me in my bathrobe. There's my ceiling. There's a cat. There's like my, for like maybe 30 seconds or so. Oh, wow. You know? And then, and then thankfully, Mary calls it out with a cat. There's like my, for like maybe 30 seconds or so. Oh, wow. You know?

And then thankfully, Mary calls it out with a joke. You know, she calls me out and makes a joke. And I look down and I'm like, oh, whoop. Sorry about that, guys. And I turn it off. And I'm a little embarrassed, but on this call, it's mostly people a level under me. Right? So I'm like, and I didn't like show my dick or anything.

So I was like, well, that sucked. I shouldn't have done that. I owe Mary an apology because I was distracting her call and she was the one running the call. So I made sure I was like, okay, I'm making a mental note to apologize. So at noon today, I have a call. I have a conference call with my boss

and everybody at my level. Oh no. And so I'm sitting, and I happen to be in the office for the morning. So I'm sitting there, I've got my camera on. Call comes up. First thing my boss does, Tom, nice shirt. I looked at him.

I'm like, well, thanks. He's like, glad you're wearing one, not a bathrobe. So it made its way to him within four hours. Through the fucking grapevine. It made its way up several levels to my guy. He had a great sense of humor about it. It wasn't a problem, but I was like,

God damn it. Next time you're in the office, bring your bathrobe. Next time you're in the office, just bring your bathrobe, big fucking ugly, giant fucking dinosaur slippers. Oh my God.

And just fucking put your feet up. Super. You're not wrong. Next time I'm on my, for real, next time I'm on my, for real, next time I'm on my big manager's call, now since he made that joke, I'm going to wear regular clothes and put my bathrobe over it.

And be like, oh, sorry. Towel around your head too, Tom. Yes. Do the towel around your head. I just got out of the shower. That is amazing. You have to do it. I'm 100%.

I will do it. Not next week, but the week after. You have to do it now. Yeah, because I got the boss's boss's boss on next week's call. I'm not doing that shit. That'll be Tom doesn't work here anymore. And we need to do a lot more podcasting. It was so funny, man. Two years into this, I fucked it up. I haven't, I haven't done one yet. I haven't done one yet, but I'm waiting for it to turn myself into a cat and not be able to turn myself back.

I know. I was so embarrassed by it. I was so embarrassed. The cat would have been better. It would. I can't believe. I'm glad I didn't like take a piss or something. Oh, I know, man.

Because I've done that. I'm on a listening call. Yeah, you don't mind. Dude, I've been on my fucking exercise bike and shit on a listener, on a just listen only call. Yeah, yeah. I'd be like, on my fucking exercise bike and shit on a listener on a just listen only call. Yeah, yeah. I'd be like, yeah.

Whatever. Whatever. Yeah. Like, I can listen. I've gone on for like an outdoor bike ride. If it's a long call, it's like, shit,

I got an hour. Like, might as well. Might as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, what have we here? Are you alone? No maidens? Dear, are you alone? No maidens? L plus maidenless plus no runes plus touch grace plus ungrafted plus invaded plus parried

plus scarlet rot plus one shot plus you leveled dex. Oh I'm sorry, that's not accurate. Don't care. Didn't ask plus you leveled Dex. Oh, I'm sorry, that's not accurate. Don't care. Didn't ask, plus you're tarnished. Try getting rid of that yee-yee-ass pot on your head, and maybe you'll acquire some maidens on your spindle. Now, please, leave. Tom, I wanted to talk a little bit,

before we even get started today, I'd like to talk a little bit about some messages we got and some feedback we got based on the conversation we had last week about grace yeah and so we talked a little bit about a guy who was we had a we had a guy on a while back he was a lawmaker from one of the carolinas i think it doesn't matter which one. He was remorseful because he had voted for a specific bill that would ban abortion in some way. And then he was hearing stories about people who were having a hard time now

because the bill, this draconian bill that they had passed. Well, it turns out a couple of things. One is that guy, I guess, a week later, just abstained or something. He wound up not being as fervent as he sounded when he made his plea and his speech. And a couple people had said, I'm willing to give people grace, but they've got to, they've got to like prove to me that they've actually changed.

Not just, and I think, you know, in some ways, I think we kind of talked about that a little bit when we mentioned the KKK member. Right. And how his whole life changed. And so you can't just give somebody grace and then be like,

it's like when you have somebody in your life who may be an addict. And sometimes that, that is a similar thing where they will lie to you, and you may take them back or do something that enables them again. And then they ruin your trust yet again. It's like that, where there's a ruining of trust over and over. There's only a certain amount of grace that someone should get. In fact, they need to make sure that they show that they have changed completely. And I wanted to make sure that we mention at start the conversation by talking about that, that I think both of us understand and we didn't articulate it exactly, but I think we both agree that there needs to be

several steps ahead for someone to change their mind and then be on the right path before that grace is offered. Yeah, I think I guess I would just revise my feeling a little bit. I would offer the grace, but be happy to rescind it. I think an apology needs three pieces in order for apology to be sincere. An apology of any kind has to own your mistake, explicitly acknowledge your position in that error, and then pledge and take action to perform better. Sure, absolutely. Right? Yeah. An apology that doesn't have all three of those elements, right? It's hollow. It's hollow. Yeah. It's performative. of those elements, right? It's hollow. It's hollow. It's performative, right? So all three of those pieces are important. I think when somebody pledges to do better, I'm okay with saying, all right, like I will take you on your word. And then, you know, time has to pass to

give somebody an opportunity to do the better thing, right? They can't, in many cases, you can't be like, I will do better right this minute to demonstrate my commitment to this issue. Sure. But first opportunity, right? So first opportunity to do better, first opportunity to do it. If you don't seize that opportunity,

then you're a fucking performative liar. And you're manipulating. You're a liar. And then I would rescind that grace and put you in the fucking garbage pile. And I would put you in the garbage pile in a never to be trusted again place. Yeah. Right. Because I know that that apology wasn't well meant. You'd have to do so much work to get out of that. Right. It would be, it'd be, it's a mountain to climb. It's way too much. Yeah. The other thing too is there were some people who

sent us messages and basically said, look, I'm not going to give anybody grace. I don't want to do that and I'm not going to do that ever. Sure. And that's perfectly fine. Understand that's perfectly fine.

If you don't want to do that and you don't want to give anybody grace, that's fine. But understand something. I used to be pro-life. I used to be conservative. I used to believe these things. So you've given me grace, right?

You just didn't know. You just didn't know you gave it to me. But you gave me grace because I used to think these things. I don't think these things anymore, but I used to think these. And there's a lot of people in the world that can be just like me, that used to think something

and now do not think that anymore. And if you were to say you're're bad forever, and I hate you forever, then you're throwing away someone who could be a very powerful ally for you. I don't like that at all. I don't think that we should discard allies just because they weren't born our allies. That's because everybody was wrong. I mean, everybody has been wrong about something important.

Sure, you've been wrong about something, yeah. I guarantee I've been wrong about important shit. Everybody has been wrong. Sometimes you're wrong because you just literally had never encountered a situation or an issue before. Sure, sure.

And so your lack of knowledge about a subject led you to engage with it wrongly. There's a lot of reasons we may be wrong about something. I can't tell anybody. This isn't a proscriptive show. No. But, like, I can't enforce your giving of grace. But I would say that if you ask Tom, which is what this show does, like, I'm not in favor of discarding our allies.

I don't want to discard allies because they're imperfect. I don't want to discard allies because they came to the party later than you came to the party. That's bullshit. And I think we see a lot of that like, oh, now you figured it out. Yeah, great. Yes, that's the wrong attitude. No, now you figure it. That's a bullshit attitude. Hey, you figured it out. Wonderful. We're glad to have you. Be welcoming. bullshit attitude hey you figured it out wonderful we're glad to have you be welcoming yeah that's how you keep an ally that's how we swell our numbers on the right side of history yeah you can't swell your numbers on the right side of history by being an asshole to somebody because they change their mind to align with the right views yeah how does that work yeah i think i think that i i think there are people very upset right now about some

things that are happening and they have every right to be very upset about those things. 100%. They have every right to be just absolutely incensed by the way their rights are being constantly stripped away and the way they're being made to be second-class citizens. Yes. They have every right to be upset. 100%. I get that. But you have to understand,

if somebody comes to your side and they mean it, and they show that they mean it over time, we shouldn't, I don't feel like it's a smart thing to get rid of those people or to never give them an opportunity. I have a great example. I have a great corollary or analogy, I think.

I think most listeners to this show, most, right, would say that they are fans of rehabilitative justice. Sure. And I think that most people who believe in rehabilitative justice believe in rehabilitative justice because we recognize the plasticity of our ideas, the plasticity of our intellectual, the plasticity of our intellectual, personal, and emotional growth, and that people are not something to throw away,

but are something to reform. And also, you have to understand the situation people are in. Because your context matters. That's how, you know, when you talk about somebody who maybe gets on the wrong side of the law, their context could have mattered. Absolutely. The same thing happens with ideas. People get the wrong ideas because of the context they're in. And then they leave that context and they don't have those ideas anymore. They're exposed to other things.

Thank you. And, you know, one thing that I want to emphasize about that is that your context is a, in many circumstances, context is a form of privilege, right? In the sense that you don't choose the sort of soup you swim in, right? You didn't like choose to be born in Massachusetts, for example, and somebody didn't choose to be born in Alabama. But we are going to implicitly internalize in many cases, all kinds of messaging based on when we lived, like the year we were born, the media that is surrounding us, the family members that have

surrounded us during our formative years. None of those things are things that we chose. And in many, but not all, in many circumstances, this sort of like privilege of a certain kind of thinking grows out of a set of surroundings, which are privileged surroundings. Again, not all. So like, please don't send me a message. That wasn't my experience. That's not my point. But, you know, bear in mind that to your point, we don't get to choose most of how, most of the messages that we internalize. Most of the messages we're exposed to. So I don't want to shit on somebody who woke up at birth, lived in a conservative community, implicitly was taught conservative ideas by all the people that raised them, that loved them, the media that they consumed, the moments of their lives that they went to

without stop, without hesitation. And then they think differently. They think better of those ideas. I'm not shitting on somebody for having internalized and placed value on the way that they were born and raised. That's a bad way to have allies. That's a bad way to open our arms and say, thank you for coming to the right side of history. Welcome. Yeah. We got your t-shirt. You done left fingerprints and all. You are so dumb. You are really dumb, for real. You don't have to come and confess that you did. We're looking for you. We gonna find you. I'm letting you know that so you can run and tell that, homeboy. Cecil, I know we talked a while ago.

Cecil and I talked a while ago. And Cecil said, because, guys, I draw up most of the show notes. So, like, the only real job I have is to draw up the show notes. And then Cecil will frequently say, hey, here's a story you missed, chucklehead. But a while back, Cecil said, Tom, enough with Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene. And even still, I can't help myself sometimes because it's too much. This is too much. It's too much.

So this is from Business Insider. Representative Lauren Boebert said, humanity is in its last days and Christians should rise up invoking Christian nationalist imagery. And this is just like, this is that sort of brand of white Christian, and it's white Christian nationalism. Like let's, let's also not forget that really essential, because three pieces to it. Right. Christian, nationalist, white. This isn't black Christian nationalism. No. Right. It's just not. It's, it's, it's just not. So here's what, here's what she said. I want to quote her so that we're not taking her out of context. It's time for us to position ourselves and rise up and take our place in Christ and influence this nation as we were called to do.

We need to get God back at the center of our country. We know that we are in the last of the last days, but it's not time to complain about it. It's not a time to get upset about it. It's a time to know that you were called to be a part of the last days, but it's not time to complain about it. It's not a time to get upset about it. It's a time to know that you were called to be a part of these last days. You get to have a role in ushering in the second coming of Jesus. Yeah.

How, this is dangerous. The problem with the apocalyptic folks, the sort of revelation last days people, is like, they're not looking to build a generational future. What they're saying is, I don't believe in a long-term future. Why should I solve for climate change? Why should I solve for any of the big problems that are going to be generational problems? I don't believe in the actuality of the future. No, no. That's terrifying. These people shouldn't be in charge of a fucking 7-Eleven. It's more than that too. It's, I mean, you're

absolutely right. Not looking at things in a long-term way is the worst. I mean, and it can't be more necessary than today to look at things in the long term when we look at how rapidly climate change is changing the world, right? So it's already, you already want to make sure that people are looking at things in a sustainable way over a long period of time, not in a way that's like short term. But it's even worse than that in the sense

that they need an enemy. An enemy that they're okay with dying, an enemy they're okay with killing, an enemy they're okay with killing, an enemy that is wholly evil, and they are okay with demonizing half the population of the United States by saying they don't agree with us. And it's not that they should die, right?

Because they're not saying that out loud. What they're saying is those are the evil antichrist people. And you don't have to finish that sentence because religion finishes it for you. Yep. And these are people too, just because of the biblical prophecy bullshit nonsense that they believe in. These are people that will embrace violent global conflict as a necessary precursor to their end of days theories. So I don't know. Let's imagine that we were on the cusp of a potential international war with just name from a hat, Russia. Maybe these are not people you want in a position of high fucking authority. Yeah, yeah. Maybe you want cooler heads to prevail

who believe that, you know, there will be a future and that avoiding a nuclear holocaust is actually beneficial rather than something that will simply usher in this inevitability of biblical prophecy. This new order that is, you know, you going to have another 144 of your best friends going

or whatever it is. We've been talking about this for a decade and a half. I mean, we've been talking about this forever. We were talking about this when Bush was in office. Yeah, man. You know, we were talking about this as a way to be like, you know, this is a scary time because, you know, he's this, here's this guy who believes in the end times and they are

people who are in charge of shit. Yep. And we've been talking about this for a long time. The end times is not a resume builder. It's not. Thank you. If you're a guy and you put the end times, it should be an immediate disqualification. It should. You know, there's, there's things on resumes where people see them and they immediately disqualify them It should. You know, there's things on resumes where people see them and they immediately disqualify them. You see it and they immediately say, no, that's the no pile. A black name, for instance.

No pile. Oh, shit. Black sounding name. Seriously, man. There's been people that have done this. They've got a, they put a black sounding name and then they say like Richard Jones or something.

And Richard Jones, same exact, everything else on the resume. Gets the call. Gets the call. So, you know, I joke, but I'm very serious when I say that. But, you know, there's a lot of things that, but when you're a politician and you say this stuff out loud,

it should immediately be disqualifying because you are putting your fantasy ahead of reality for not just you, but for everyone who you're a politician and you say this stuff out loud, it should immediately be disqualifying because you are putting your fantasy ahead of reality for not just you, but for everyone who you're, you know, you're making decisions for. Terrifying. Yeah. This shit is terrifying. Yeah.

She's the worst. She has been the worst for a while. And I don't even know if she believes this stuff. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because she's saying it. She knows how she can tune people up and how she can endear herself to a niche that will get her reelected. Yeah.

The thing is that even if she doesn't believe it, she's saying it because she knows that the crowd does. So she's speaking to a crowd of believers who will act on this, right? And the ways that they will act on it is they will vote other fucking lunatics who believe in this shit into other offices. It's terrifying. This crazy lady, she spoke, it's one of the stories in here,

she spoke at like some conference with a gun strapped to her thigh. It's, I mean, how performative is that? That's all, all it is, everything she does is performative. The same thing with everybody on that side who is ultra MAGA. Right.

They are doing something performative because they know that it, that will get them play on TV and the people who see it will, you know, they'll be, they will like it. They will enjoy it. I have a name for these apocalyptic performers.

What's that? The nuclear flash mob. I enjoy it. I have a name for these apocalyptic performers. What's that? The nuclear flash mob. I hate when people talk about Flora like it's so fucking great. No, Orlando is dumb. Your hair will never look cute. Your outfit will get fucked up every morning because it's cold in the morning, but then it gets hot. Or like it's too hot in the morning but then it gets hot or like it's too hot in the morning and then it gets fucking hotter just shut up don't live in florida stay away

yeah we've got to talk about this and this story is from npr you can find this story anywhere stories are and there's a bunch of stories connected to right yeah so so this story is just a jumping off point to talk about this in general. Migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard have filed a lawsuit against Governor DeSantis. So broad strokes, and this is just one of several, but Republican governors have for several weeks now been, they've been dishonest

in their dealings with migrants. Sure. And they have been coercing them through lies to get onto buses and airplanes. And then they're moving these folks with no notice at all and no resources and just sort of dropping them off in blue states. states. They're moving them from red to blue states in a stunt to sort of like overwhelm the resources of these blue states, which have more accepting immigration policies than the red states. What is particularly egregious about the DeSantis example is, of course, that Florida is not a border state. Florida doesn't, it doesn't, Florida does not have an issue where immigrants are coming over the border into Florida.

But DeSantis has very clear designs on national office. And so even though his state that he's fucking in charge of as governor has no skin in this game at all, he has personally, charge of his governor has no skin in this game at all he has personally like through his through his uh role as his governor he is personally overseen and paid for sending migrants from states not florida not florida states that are not his state, to Martha's Vineyard in an attempt to overwhelm the resources of Martha's Vineyard and like stick it in the eye of those damn liberals. Yeah, of the people who have sanctuary cities, right?

So they're saying, we're not going to enforce immigration policy here. The federal government, we're not going to give them information to help find people who are undocumented here. We won't cooperate with ICE. Yeah, we're just not going to cooperate with them. So what we'll do is we will be what we call a sanctuary city.

One thing that happens, especially with a lot of these border states, is they get federal funding to help with housing these people and to do this stuff. The places that they're sending them do not get this funding. Right. So like, we're not a border state. They sent some to Chicago.

Yes, they did. So Abbott, four weeks ago, put a bunch of undocumented people. And I think, in fact, they were asylee seekers. They put them on a bus and they sent them to Chicago. They came to Chicago and then they immediately found places for them to get the housing and the places that they need to be, shelter that they need to be. And they did the same thing in Martha's Vineyard. And what happened

was, is everybody there started saying like, oh man, you guys got owned. All the writers like, oh, you got owned. You didn't keep them on Martha's Vineyard. You didn't keep them there. And you're like, nobody's going to let them in their house. You're going to find a place for them to get the services

that they need. Right. That's not Bill's house on Martha's Vineyard. That's where they brought them was the National Guard Center so they could get some of the need

and cover some of the need that they needed to try to get them so that they're situated. You don't just be like, oh, well, then we just took them all into our houses

as like foreign exchange students or whatever. That's just stupid. Right, that's a stupid- It's a stupid thing to think, but everybody on the right seems to think that what happened was is these Republican governors are owning the libs by sending them the people and proving what hypocrites they are

because the people that are up there are like, okay, let's get you some help, but they're not helping them right there in the middle of their community. They're sending them to a place where they can get the help where those resources are available, right? Because you drop somebody off in the middle of the loop, you know, there might be some resources, but there might be more resources in other places outside Chicago, whatever. There's no resources in my subdivision. Yeah. That doesn't mean there's no resources in my city. Sure. Yeah, exactly.

It's a stupid thing. Martha's Vineyard is a fucking spit of an island that is only properly inhabited part of the year. It's a summer vacation island for rich people. Sure. That's what it's for. So, of course, they don't have this. And, of course, there are no jobs.

Although, ironically, there would have been jobs at the start of the summer season. And they, I think, very purposefully did not send people there when there actually would have been plenty of work. They put them there at the end of the season because there are still people living there and they wanted to do this show. The thing is that they're— It's performative. It's all performative. It's all performative. And they're using other human beings, just straight up fucking living, breathing, feeling, loving human beings as actual pawns in this horrible political game.

In many of these cities where these people show up, I was listening to The Daily this morning about this. In some of these cities where these people show up, there are not enough resources. Or they're just like, they open the bus door and there's nobody there to greet them because nobody was given a heads up that they were going to arrive. Sure. So they open it and these people just like wander off a fucking bus. They maybe don't speak the language. They have no idea where to go. Some of these folks, unfortunately, end up homeless because they don't know how to access the resources that are available. This is cruelty and depravity,

and it is indifferent. And it's using other human beings and absolutely turning a blind eye to the suffering of those people. Some of these people have literally walked seven countries. Hundreds of miles. Seven countries. If you're coming from Venezuela, you have crossed seven borders, seven international borders, to get from Venezuela to America.

I can't think of anybody who wants to live here that much. Yeah. I mean, and to just discard somebody like that, to literally just, this feels, you know those hospitals that when you run out of insurance, they fucking dump you on the street to die? This feels like that. Yeah.

Well, and I think that the performative cruelty that's happening is a signal to the right that I am willing to hurt the people that you don't like. Yes. And so they do it because they want to hurt those people and they want to show everyone that they're willing to hurt those people. And they're willing to stick it to the people

who want to help those people. Yeah, right. So there's a lot of things going on here. to help those people. Yeah, right. So there's a lot of things going on here. One of the best responses I heard to this was, I know this guy, he's a pro bono immigration lawyer.

Okay. So he's a guy who, when there was the crisis in Syria, he, for three years in a row, flew to Greece and spent his vacation time filling paperwork out for immigrants and representing immigrants

to try to get into Europe from Syria. So he would spend his vacation time in a tiny office in Greece just filling out, because he's a pro bono attorney. Nobody's paying him. They just flew him over there. That's the best. And we could feed you. That's the best we can do. And so he sat in a little office telling people how to get asylum and how to work in the system to get asylum. He's done it here for years. He started a, you know, a coalition here. He's a

well-known immigration pro bono attorney. And he was telling me, he said, you know what we should have done? We should have sent Governor Abbott a big thank you, like a giant thank you card. That would be amazing. That says, thank you so much, Governor, and publish it, maybe even put it in the paper. Thank you so much for thinking of these wonderful additions to our United States melting pot. These are absolutely valuable people. And for you to send them where they could get the services that they need to us up here,

because you know that we'll help them. You are a wonderful human being. Thank you so much. But make it a big performative piece to sizzle out all their performative hatred, right? You're tamp, you're licking your fingers and just dying that wick out because they want to make you mad. They want to make us upset and be like, how dare you? But instead, if you say, no, keep sending them, we'll keep, no, we got, we got space. Keep it up. Keep it up. No, you know what? Keep it up.

And the other thing too, that people, it's so funny because there's all this talk about the resource drain that these people have. These people are a resource drain. But when you think about how much money it costs them to send them up here, it was like $13,000 a person. Oh, my God. For them to come up to Martha's Vineyard. They spent just an obscene amount of money to get them up here. And so, this is your money. This didn't come out of, like DeSantis didn't float the bill for this.

He used taxpayer dollars. This is your money. And he's wasting it. Yeah. What I found, there's a couple of things that occurred to me about this too, is that one, I want to point out too, that the people in Martha's Vineyard welcomed them with open arms. They thought they were going to be like, oh God, not here in our rich community.

Instead, the people at Martha's Vineyard welcomed them. They provided them with emergency food and shelter. And I mean, they did. They were like, we're so glad you're here. These people were crying. Yeah. They were, I mean, it was, it was a outpouring of how human beings should be recognized as human and treated as human.

So I love how it, this was a horrifying political stunt using other human beings as collateral damage in an attempt for one guy to gain political notoriety. I love that that backfired to a pretty large degree. I love that they're fucking suing him. But how much of this North Southism around the color of people and the desirability of certain people. Yeah. How much of this rings so much like fucking Jim Crow shit. Sure, man. Slavery fucking shit.

Sure, man. This feels, this North-Southism feels so shitty. They essentially, what do they call them? Sundown towns? What do they call those? Yeah. Well, you better be out by sundown.

You better be out by sundown. Yeah. They essentially turned those states into sundown states by basically saying, we will ship you out of here. If you're here,

it's that cop spinning his baton. Yep. You know, it's getting pretty late. You should probably move on. It's the same thing, man. It's the same thing.

It's racist shit, babe. Oh my God, is it racist. This feels, this is so fucking gross. Like this is, this is a hearkening back to the worst part of America. Yeah.

Right? The worst, most shameful, horrifying blemish on the soul of this country to decide that certain people, certain human beings are by category less desirable and they should be shipped against their will or by deceit from one part of the world to another part of the world. To do that in 2022, it's like, we should be fucking vomiting in our mouths

at the very thought that this could happen. Yeah, for sure. The idea that this could happen in 2022, and that it will advance someone's political career, not ruin it. I know, man. That scares me. That's scary. That's a huge step back for the past couple years. It is.

Oh! You piece of shit! This story comes from the guardian it's got a beautiful picture by the way of salt lake city go see it while you can there's not gonna be much lake left utah polygamous sect accused of indoctrination rape and child marriage but but other than that it's okay i mean it's other than indoctrination, rape, and child marriage. But then there's also like, wasn't there child labor too? Child labor is part of it too.

Child labor as well. Like it's not just, they couldn't fit everything in the headline. Here's the thing. Our listeners will know this. And how many Mormons do you talk to? We'll just say it out loud. The ex-Mormon community is like pretty vocal.

This is a giant cult. Yeah, man. That Mormonism is not a legitimate religion. First of all, no religions are true, right? All religions are problematic. Mormonism is an enormous fucking cult. It is kind of the, I don't know, I don't want to say it's the worst

because we'll get email about how this other one was worse. Yeah, there's a lot of them. It's a bad one. Mormonism should not. But it's the worst because we'll get email about how this other one was worse. Yeah, there's a lot of it. It's a bad one. Mormonism should not. But it's a bad one. Yeah. We should never allow Mormonism to normalize, right? Normalizing any untrue idea is inherently problematic.

Mormonism is new enough. It doesn't have that veneer of history. It is new enough that we should still be able to throw this one away. Yeah, man. This is shit. Yeah. It doesn't have 50 to 150 generations of people that have embedded this into their culture. This is new enough, guys, that we should still be able to toss this in the dustbin of history.

It is, they're stealing your fucking money. They are intensely wealthy. They have billions and like $100 billion of some crazy shit in land holdings. They are endorsing ideas which lead to rape, child rape, child labor, slavery. I mean, this is a horrifying cult. We should not allow Mormonism,

the veneer of normalcy in a civilized society. You know, what's, what you hear is, well, this is just like a sect of Mormonism or whatever. They're like, oh, this is just like, but it's like, man, you guys all believe the same stuff, right? Like you guys all looked at the same book and you know, maybe they went two extra steps than you, but you guys all believe the same shit. You guys all believe the same crazy shit. This sect happens to be one of these sects where people can marry multiple people and they can like,

and this is like, this is one of those like really hard core, but it's a hard core, marry multiple people and they're always kids. They are. It's never like marry multiple people. It's like,

I don't fucking care how many people you marry. Marry a million people. I literally don don't care the only people you have to fight with is the insurance companies right you and the insurance companies you go duke it out as long as it's consenting adults and there's a million of you and i mean consenting right i mean consenting yeah then do what you want but when you these are all kids, they're always kids, man. Because nobody's going to marry a septuagenarian when there's like, they're like 14 and then there's like four of them. It's horrifying. And it happens so often. And what is so crazy is these parents basically give their kids away to these weird old witches. How the fuck does that even work? Do you not love your kids?

Like what is happening in your life where you're just like, nah, it's okay. She's 14. She can fuck an 80 year old. Yeah. There is no, and I want to make this because I'm right there with you in the sense that like if consenting adults, if it was legal

for like 20 consenting adults to all fucking get a giant cuddle puddle and get married to each other, Tom does not give a shit. Like, I do not give a shit. The thing is, though, that the bulk of the polygamy that is discussed is discussed in this incentivized, coercive manner. You're right. And that's where it becomes problematic, right? You're right. And that's where it becomes problematic, right? Because when you, and even if it is adults, like they are being coerced through religious indoctrination to thinking that this is an inherent good. You actually can't have, I mean, just do the math. Polygamy can't work over a long term within any kind of closed system. You can't have it. There's about half men and half women.

Yeah, you can't, yeah. You can't marry. Everybody can't take three wives. Somebody's going to end up with no wives. That's how that's got to work. The numbers don't add. I don't care, again, if other normal, non-coerced, non-religiously strong-armed people do this. But I do think that if you have a religious proscription, which requires or incentivizes this kind of behavior,

then everybody is kind of lying in the transaction. You're being coerced. You're just not honest about it. Right. Yeah. But then add in the kid stuff. You're just not honest about it. Right. Yeah. But then add in the kid stuff. Yeah. The kid stuff,

it's wrong no matter how many people are being raped, right? Yeah, I mean... If he's just like... Holy shit. If he's just like married to one guy, it still doesn't matter,

but it gets... It compounds it because these people are marrying multiple children. Yes. And then they... Like, they're like... As soon as the person that they're married to gets to be like a certain age, they're like, as soon as the person

that they're married to gets to be like a certain age, they marry another child. They just go get another one. They keep marrying children over and over. They're fucking DiCaprio-ing

this shit. It's fucking worse than that. At least he lets those ones go. Right. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah, he doesn't, he doesn't,

like, you know, they still got a little bit, they still got a little bit of swim left in them after he lets them. Like, you know, they still got a little bit of, they still got a little bit of swim left in him after he lets him go. This is like, this is like you're trapped in a relationship with somebody forever. And then they just keep going, you know,

down the road and marrying more and more people. And you're absolutely right. In a closed system, it's impossible for it to work unless there, you know, there were just more women being birthed than men. And that's just not true. But, than men, and that's just not true. But, you know, and I do agree with you. Like, I said consensual for a reason,

and I meant it. And I meant it. I do think that there are many times in your life that you think something is consensual, but you are being coerced by something in your life, be that religion. And that's a possibility. It can be religion.

But I think, you know, like outside of religion, like you said, man, do what you want, man. Whatever, dude, I don't care. Right. But it's, it's, it's the multiple people coerced by religion and then also being children. It's the worst, man. And then this is also got in it a story of rape. Yeah. Oh God. Where they're trying to impregnate this person. I mean, this is all horror. And we let this happen. And we let it happen sort of because I think we allow religion a sense of privacy it doesn't deserve.

It doesn't deserve. That's right. I also think this draws attention to, or it should draw attention to, the fact that in America, there's still many states which allow for child marriage. Yeah, man. That's fucking awful.

It's awful. It doesn't make something not rape because you fucking put a ring on it. Yeah. It doesn't make any difference if somebody who can't sign a fucking legal contract stood in front of somebody and signed a marriage certificate. Yeah, man. And now you can rape them in America. That's horrible, dude.

And the only people protecting that institution are religious people because religious people have a weird thing about raping kids yeah the catholic church they're fucking child rapists cross fucking religion they all seem to have this like structural institutional protectivism about child rape yeah man what world are you living in where you want to be like, well, let's hear them out first. How many religions follow prescriptions on how to trade your daughter away into marriage?

Like all of them. Like there's so many of them that have these prescriptions. Fuck, hell, when I was going to get married, you know, when I got married to my wife, I remember years later, I was at a family function and someone had asked someone's dad if they could have the daughter's hand in marriage.

And I remember some people being like, that's the right way to do it. And I was just like, what? What the fuck are you talking about? But you know, at a family function, there's people who believe that, and this isn't like a hyper religious family. This is just at a family function where they're just like, you would expect they would be somewhat normal, but there's people who even aren't that religious who still think that you need to somehow get a dad's permission to marry a daughter.

Oh, that's respectful. Respectful of someone's property. Respectful to who? It's not respectful of the person you're marrying. That's, I know. Like, what the fuck? Like, there's, there is no justification for that at all. No, it's a dumb, it's a ludicrous thing to do to somebody. It's not polite. Yeah.

It's disgusting. It's grotesque. It is. And the idea that someone would be like, no, you got to ask the dad's, what the fuck, was he fucking her? Like, what is happening? Like, what do I, am I horning on his

action? What is happening in your life where I've got to ask his permission? What, what, how does that work? If he's like, nah, man, I'd be just like, sorry, babe, we out. No, we out. Sorry. That's the end of our relationship. What is happening in your life where that is a normal response? It's a crazy response. It's an insane response. It's insane, man. But like, that's a normalized thing

even in our society today. Today, yeah. That's a normalized, and that's not necessarily religiously based. No. But it's still, it's deep in the patriarchy.

Right. It's deep in the patriarchy. Absolutely. And it's embedded in those sort of like, quote unquote, traditional values. And the patriarchy thing,. And it's embedded in those sort of like, quote unquote, traditional values. And the patriarchy thing, you know, when we talk a lot about,

we talked a lot about abortion and we talked a lot about how it is subjugating women and putting them back in time in the sense that it's taking their jobs away, right? We talked a lot about that. But we also, whenever we talk about abortion, you've got to talk about it in the sense that there's a group of people that want to make all the decisions for women. And that's the patriarchy, right? That's this ask dad to marry your daughter. It's the same, that same person would be pro-life against abortion.

100%. Because they want to control what happens in a woman's body over the woman. And it's about controlling, you know, it might not have anything in their front brain about them taking their job. That's an after effect. But it's the, I need to control every aspect of your life because your pretty little head can't make these decisions is what it's really doing that's the real control 100 100 yeah so don't do this at home now you have high voltage so the story comes from queertee.com marjorie taylor green just took stupid to a new low and the jokes write themselves so this is her insane hot take on, of all things, guys,

fucking electricity. Do we want to play it? Oh, God, yeah, let's play it. Let's play it. I haven't heard it. I only read it. Oh, this is, guys, this is, just fucking brace yourself.

I want everybody listening to imagine the stupidest fucking thing that you think Marjorie Taylor Greene could possibly say about electricity and just know in your heart that you will be wrong by at least one order of magnitude. Here we go, guys.

This is Marjorie Taylor Greene at the Texas Youth Summit. I saw a hilarious image of the crowd at the Texas Youth Summit because somebody took a picture and it's literally all gray heads. Is it really? It's like little old at the Texas Youth Summit this somebody took a picture and it's literally all gray heads. Is it really? And they're just like

little old at the Texas Youth Summit. That's amazing. Anyway, so here we go. Here's something interesting. So Air Canada, get this, has ordered 30 electric airplanes. Yeah, electric airplanes. How about that?

What's the deal with electric airplanes? Doesn't she set this up like she's going to do a bad stand-up? Behind her should be a brick wall right now. She's doing bad side-falls. That's amazing, yeah. Has anybody had airplane food?

Why would we call it airplane food if it doesn't have any food in it? Why would you call it airplane food if it doesn't look like an airplane? She sets this up like the cheesiest stand-up. I'll sit down and you can go, I'll push it in my mouth like you're flying the airplane into the barn. Although I will tell you, like, no hyperbole, I would spend a stupid amount of money to watch a Marjorie Taylor Greene open mic night at like,

because how? It would, like, I would have to watch a Marjorie Taylor Green open mic night at like because how it would like I would have to bring a blanket to pull over my head like watching Meet the Fockers that would be so embarrassed. But seriously like everything she does she thinks she can do no wrong and she's stupid enough to think she's funny all the time. So

this is exactly what this is. Electric airplanes. So I mean it shouldn't surprise you look who's the president of i mean justin trudeau prime minister prime minister you all right prime minister i don't know so much about that canada politics it shouldn't surprise you that i don't know what the leader is called in canada like what does just Justin Trudeau have to do with a company making a decision on sustainability?

Actually, when Southwest or United or Delta, whenever they make a decision, they have to call Biden directly. They got to text him. They got to.

You up? If you were flying with us, you would be. You'd still be waiting for your flight. If you were flying with us, you would be. You'd still be waiting for your flight. So we were joking around and we were talking,

how is there an electric airplane and what does that look like? So we were just making fun and thinking about, remember back a long time ago and you've seen- Okay, here's what I never want to think about. Yeah. Is your lack of imagination, right? Like, just because you can't imagine something happening, Right. why should anyone in the world care?

There are more things that Marjorie Taylor Greene cannot imagine than could possibly, I mean, you could fill the ocean with her lack of imagination. I would give anything to be in the room where these dumbass, not clever wannabes think they're riffing on electric fucking airplanes. That would be so good. Because it would be. It would be the best room.

Oh, my God. It would be the best room. This is the opposite of the Onion Workshop room. Right. Right. Where it's like, here's a bunch of clever like, oh, these guys are working on Conan's monologue.

This is the hell version of that. It's the exact opposite. If you were in there, you would be pushing pens into your ears so you never hear another thing for the rest of your life. You will be blissfully unaware of sound for the rest of your days because they will be blissfully unaware of sound for the rest

of your days because they spoke one sentence. Yes. You would cringe yourself to death. I would cringe myself to death. You would seize. You would cringe so hard that you would like you'd like become a black hole. I would suck into myself until

I was a fucking singularity. Pop. And it's over. Has she not seen an electric car? I would suck into myself until I was a fucking singularity. You would pop. And it's over. Oh my. I mean, has she not seen an electric car? It's so boring. You crazy bitch, it's like that. It's so boring.

In the air. She's like, I can't even imagine how stupid that is. And you're like, okay, well, that's because you're a really dumb person. Right. And you have no imagination. I've seen movies where people in those slave ships and they're down there and they're rowing and they're being whipped to row.

We're saying, how are they going to keep powering these electric airplanes? It's like a spin class in a tube where they've got everybody riding spin cycles and then those mean, nasty airline stewardess that force you to wear masks all the time on the planes

back when we were forced to wear masks? Are they going to be forcing you to keep spinning to keep the airplane in the air? Does she think the only way that electricity is generated is with bicycles? Yeah, and hamsters. What you need is you need an entire crew of hamsters, small cats, ferrets.

What does she think? I would love... What does she think? Just draw love, what does she think? Just draw a picture for me, Marjorie Taylor Greene, of what you think a power plant looks like inside. Do you think it's, because I want to know. One guy with really big legs. Right.

Is it an enormous hamster or just millions of hamsters? I'm thinking it's like Lance Armstrong juiced. And he's just. He's walking in with these fucking tree trunk thighs. I'm ready to punch in. All the smokestacks are just his sweat just shooting out the top of it. They're spraying him with hoses to cool him down. Oh, gosh.

He's just like. And to bring in slavery as like the opening to your punchline. Super funny though. Really clever. Topical. Really great. I mean, just...

Topical humor. Crushed it. Wow. Way to go. And then also, bring it back around to COVID too. You got to, you know, there's a call back in there, Tom,

to COVID. Remember when people were doing their job in unfortunate and terrifying and dangerous circumstances, and they were frequently assaulted to make sure that other passengers were able to breathe safely?

Let's make fun of that. Would you have fucking quit the second you dealt with a shitty employee? Somebody who's telling you a flyer, somebody who's flying, and you're just like, just put your mask on and they take their mask off and they get shitty with you

I would just be like you don't pay me enough money to deal with these people man those poor people they're saints those poor people I saw so many videos

where I was just like I just hope somebody knocks this person out I know I just hope somebody knocks this person out and they just sleep like fucking B.A. Baraka

until they go they land the plane because everybody is literally shrill and screaming and yelling and they want to get into fights and they don't want to put on their shit. And I'm just like, these poor people have the shittiest job.

They have the shittiest working conditions. They have to put themselves in harm's way for the entire pandemic to possibly get sick. And then you're the asshole who wants to possibly get sick. And then you're the asshole who wants to fight them about it. And you're just like, and she's treating them as the bad guy. Those are the bad guys. I'm like, God, these are the poor people who would, we don't pay nearly enough to deal with your shit. That's those people. And that's supposed to be funny.

Also, is it me or is it, maybe they just don't have the crowd mic, Tom, but it didn't sound like there was a lot of big gaffaws out there. This didn't sound like it landed because it's not funny. It sounds like she's very desperate to get a joke. Yeah, well, she's, everything about this, again,

it reads like an open mic. It reads like desperation. Handling her the actual, if you guys get a chance to watch the video, she's even walking like she's a handling her the actual, if you guys get a chance to watch the video, she's even walking like she's a comedian. She's got the mic held. She's kind of doing

this pace back and forth. She's got her tight five in her mind. And it's the worst. This is the best picture though of her right now. You know, the audience can't see it.

The audience is listening to the podcast. But I will say the picture, the sort of sly, this encapsulates her attitude this entire time.

Perfect. She's too dumb to know she's not funny. And I think that's the real problem. There are people out there who get up in these open mic nights

and don't realize they're not funny or entertaining. Absolutely. And they get booed off the stage. She would be booed off at any open mic night.

Unless you filled it with a bunch of people that she's hurting because then performatively everybody's going to like her. Then everybody's going to be in on it. booed off the stage, she would be booed off at any open mic night. Any open mic night. Unless, you know, you filled it with a bunch of people that she's hurting because then performatively everybody's going to like her. Then everybody's going to be in on it. Yeah, right. Because they want to victimize people.

Yeah, they like people who hurt other people. Yeah. You just want to be like, hey man, like it works like your phone. It has a battery. Yeah, man.

Like you're literally holding a wireless microphone. They're talking about these planes as if these planes are going to have an opportunity to be zero emission planes. I mean, the emissions that would have to be on the front end when they get charged. Right. But they would be able to fly no problem. I mean, I wouldn't worry about getting in one of these. Wouldn't bother me.

I wouldn't be like, oh, my God, is there somebody going to— Unless you're lighting fuel on fire, I don't believe in other energy. Like, and also... What? Might even be a little safer. Who knows? I mean, they're going to... The thing is,

these planes are going to be introduced into these workable routes where they're just going to have them, you know, and then eventually we're just never going to think about it. It's the same thing, right? Like, there's going to be

a ton of pushback against electric cars and like higher level hybrid cars for another couple decades. And there's pushback right now where people are like, batteries, what are you? These people don't know how these things work.

They don't know. There's a lot of pushback right now against this. But here's the thing. Those people are just going to be left behind because they're not going to adopt. And you can be like, okay, cool. Now you have a rolling coal truck. You can only fill it up in five places in the state.

And it's $8 a gallon to fill it up. And you're the chucklehead. And you're the only one who's driving it. And you're the only one who won't do it, whatever. And these people, they're going to just be left behind again. And that's what conservatism is though. That's the whole platform of conserv, though. That's the whole platform of conservatism. That's the idea.

So they have to embrace this as a way. They're an anchor party, and they're anchoring themselves to this particular moment. You clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not in danger, Skyler. I am the danger.

A guy opens his door and gets shot, and you think that of me? No. I am not in danger, Skyler. I am the danger. A guy opens his door and gets shot, and you think that of me? No. I am the one who knocks. So big story breaking today, yesterday? I don't know. This is the 21st, so yesterday. DOJ can continue Trump classified documents investigation breaking today? Yesterday? I don't know. Today, this is the 21st, so yesterday. Yeah.

DOJ can continue Trump classified documents investigation without special master, according to the appeals court. So, not to get too deep into the whole legal portion of the process, but they had like 11,000 pages of seized materials. That's a lot.

That's a lot. That's a lot. It's a little 11,000 pages of seized materials that's a lot that's a lot that's a lot it's about a it's a little 11 000 pages of materials that they took that uh took back i should say let me make sure i say that right that they took back after they were illegally taken because they weren't his fucking property sure that trump had stored behind like a fucking padlock and a set of crossed fingers yeah in a uh storero room in his fucking golf resort. Actually, Mar-a-Lago doesn't have golf in his club, his resort, Mar-a-Lago. I always thought Mar-a-Lago had golf. It turns out it does not have golf.

Really? I didn't know that. It's a social club. They have tennis, but no golf. Interesting. Yeah. So, and then the Trump's lawyers, they wanted a special master appointed, the special master. And they got it.

And they got it. Because they went to a judge. Yeah, this canon lady. Who wrote this crazy opinion. And you could find other podcasts or other people who talk about this stuff, but the opinion was laughable. It was.

It was a goofy opinion where she really just basically said he deserves to get one of these. So they go find a guy. And the guy they find happens to be somebody who they think is going to be very favorable to what their position is. And he's like, no, what are you talking?

No, absolutely not. And he basically like throws it out. But before he can even really do anything, the appeals court reverses this original judge's decision. Right. And so they're like, no, the DOJ, this is their stuff. Like, you can't. One of the things they said that I was reading today, one of the things that they said was

that even some of the people who have top secret clearance do not have a clearance level high enough to read and review some of the materials that were seized. Like, the material, because like like the way these clearance levels, I didn't know this, but the way these clearance levels work, I guess, is it's not like if I have clearance level top secret fucking alpha, you know, I'm making something up. It doesn't mean I can just read everything at that level. Below that level too.

What it means is I have clearance to read on a need-to-know basis. So if it's top secret level and I, and I'm top-secret level, you know, past. I have this certification. I'm using the wrong term, but you know what I fucking mean. If I'm a top-secret guy, it doesn't mean I can just go wander the stacks and read all the top-secret shit I want. I still only am allowed to read the top-secret stuff that I am given access to because I need to know if my job function.

This shit, these people who are investigating, they have very high clearance levels and they're just like, whoa, I can't actually look at this. We have to get, they got to call people in who are allowed to even look to see what we've got here. That's how sensitive this fucking material is. To see what we've got here. Yeah. That's how sensitive this fucking material is. And the defense of Trump that he has been saying since the beginning has changed and shifted constantly. Oh, yeah. One of the things I saw, and I saw this on Reddit, on one of the conservative Reddits, where they were arguing and saying that Obama did the same thing.

Obama had tons of documents. And the reason why they're saying is because this is something Trump had said. Evidently on one of his true socials, he's like, but Obama took 30,000 pages of highly classified data when he left office. He literally just lied that he said he did this. And the National Archives came out and said,

no, we didn't. Like, no, that's fact check. No, he did not do that. Nope, absolutely did not. He did not do that. That's not did not. He did not do that. That's not what happened. And the thing is, is like,

he's been changing his story. He just went on Hannity where he had said, all I have to do is think about it and it's unclassified. He could declassify things by like- By telepathy? By like bewitching,

moving his nose, I guess, or whatever. What? When you know that lady on Bewitched where she would twitch her nose and make things happen. I think that's what he would do. He would just like, and then he could make something. How does that sound? I think that's the sound she made.

I don't remember. Maybe I'm thinking of a different video. Yeah, I'm thinking of it. Yeah, definitely a different video. There's a lot of videos like that. There's a lot of videos like that. A lot of videos. A lot of videos.

And if you want to see a video like that, you can go to adamandeve.com, type in Gloria, check out. You might even get one of those videos for free. But anyway, he has this whole thing now where he's talking about how he can just make it so by thinking about it. That's insane.

I can just make it declassified. All I have to do is just, it being in my possession means it's declassified is essentially what he's saying. Is that I it declassified. All I have to do is just, it being in my possession means it's declassified is essentially what he's saying. Is that I just declassified it and that's just how it works. And that's not, and nobody, not a single person in any administration,

even his previous administration is saying that that's how it works. Nobody thinks that's how it works. These documents had no reason to be away at all. He also this week is being sued by the AG of New York for $250 million. Plus they're naming his kids. Yeah, and they're naming his kids

because he lied to get favorable loan prices and loan rates and loans on his properties that he then went and claimed were worth nothing to get major tax rebates. So he's either cheating the government or he's cheating people who are loaning him money. Whoever he's cheating, he's cheating someone. You know, nothing has ever happened to him yet, right? I know.

And every single throughout history has been like, he's accused of this stuff. He's accused of that stuff. He's accused of this stuff. And there's never a moment where you're just like, he's accused of it stuff. He's accused of that stuff. He's accused of this stuff. And there's never a moment where you're just like, he's accused of it and he's fucked. Right.

But I hope we get to one of these moments. And this one feels good because this one that has to deal with the banks and things, you're fucking with the wrong people there. You could fuck the American people over a lot, but you start fucking with the money holders in this country.

Yeah, they'll ruin it. There's some serious issue with that. And I feel like there's some legs on this because we live in a country that very much, you know, I mean, look at what happened

with the fucking, look at how crazy everybody's getting over a tiny amount of student loan forgiveness versus we forgave all the money during the housing crisis to like Wall Street. I know, right? Yeah. So like nobody even paid it. Nobody even thought about it when it happened in Wall Street. And then now it's the big deal because it's normal people.

Because it's everyday people. But genuinely, when it's corporations and big money institutions that are getting fucked, I think there's something that can happen. And this feels like something, again, I don't know because this guy is so slippery. It's crazy. It is. The thing with the documents is that even if they were all declassified, he still can't take them. It doesn't matter.

It literally doesn't. It is. The statutes that they are looking at prosecuting him on from what they've said, they don't mean you took, prosecuting him on from what they've said, they don't mean you took, they don't require that the documents be classified in order for every single thing about what he's done to be wrong, to be illegal. He just can't take that. It's not yours, stupid. Look, think about, and here's the analogy that just will immediately make sense to anybody. Think about any job you've ever had ever. it just will immediately make sense to anybody.

Think about any job you've ever had ever. When you quit that job, you can't just take with you, like you can't take your fucking laptop and be like, all right, well, I got all this company material and I'm just going to keep it now because I used to work here.

So now it's mine. It's like using your company credit card after your fight. Right. Like I have a company car. I don't actually, but like imagine if I had a company car and then don't actually, but like, imagine if I had a company car, and then I was like, all right, well, I quit.

And now I just keep the car. But this car is mine because I like it. Yeah, it's you keeping the, like, Michael Scott's Buick LeSabre. Right, yeah, LeSabre. Yeah, whatever it is. No, it's not yours. You don't get to keep it. It's the same thing.

You know, and I want to just say one more thing about this. These are the things that we caught him on. These are the same thing. You know, and I want to just say one more thing about this. These are the things that we caught him on. These are the moments that we caught him. You know for sure. You know for sure that these are the things that we caught him on, but there's so many other things that he did that were below board,

that were against the law, that were skirting the system. And this has been his entire adult life, not just his presidency. But think of all the bad things he did in his presidency if he did this. Yeah, man. He did, you guaranteed he did a million other things

that he shouldn't have done during his presidency. And we know, we've learned about some of them, but we haven't learned about all of them. But you know for sure, almost every day he was breaking some rule. It is, it would be impossible. Maybe we should do it for kicks one of these times as a fucking review,

but it would be impossible to actually go back and just list even all the crazy shit that we knew about. We should do it one time because I think there's a whole website that lists all the things that he did. All the crazy shit. All the controversies.

And there was like almost one every day of his presence. Yeah, I mean, it's nuts. The AG thing, I think that he did. All the crazy shit. All the controversies. And there was like almost one every day of his presence. Yeah, I mean, it's nuts. The AG thing, I think that's legit. I think it's legit because you can't have your cake and eat it too. And he tried to on paper. He tried to overvalue his assets, his real estate holdings, his assets,

when he was, to your point, using them to collateralize and incentivize lenders. And then he turned around sometimes within the same year and grossly undervalued that same. So it's either tax fraud. Yeah, it's one or the other. It's wire fraud. It's fraud or it's fraud.

That's it. And I don't know how you get out of that. We'll see. But again, he's pled the fifth before on this stuff. Yeah. And so, you know, and his argument is, my wealth fluctuates. And you're just

like, okay, but it can't fluctuate that much. Yeah, and that's so bullshit because, especially when it's tied to real estate, that's a tangible appraisable asset. Yeah. So we'd like to thank our patrons. Of course, we'd like to thank all our patrons. We'd like to thank our patrons of course we'd thank all our patrons like to thank our newest patron steven dodd is my new shush or dod is my new shush ashley sage cat genie in a bottle obran kenneth james D, not that Mike D,

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and he sent us an image about Indiana and it is brilliant and awesome. You'll have to check out this week's show notes for it. Indiana is the worst place on earth. Indiana is horrible. The worst place on earth. We got a message from someone who had said, hey, I just want to let you know,

I listened to your episode where you're talking about eating sushi off a naked person. And they said it's fairly common, even at swinger parties, at swinger parties and orgies. And they said they recently went to one of these and there was a person there that happened to have a

bunch of food on them. And they wound up taking salami from the Naval area because they were hungry for salami. But they said other people were taking food from other places. I don't know, man. For me, I wouldn't want to eat the food that was near somebody else's parts. But you do you, man. To each their own. You do you, man. That's all right. You're an adult. You get to make your own decisions.

That ain't for me. But you do you. There's people who want to, like, George Costanza wanted to eat a Reuben while he was having sex. And good for you if that's the case. You know what? There's never a bad time for a Reuben. There's never a bad time for a Reuben.

There's never a bad time for a Reuben. For some people. That's amazing. And you go ahead and do that for other people. It's not, and they don't want to do that. And that's what being an adult is. You get to make your own decisions yourself. And as long as everybody involved is happy, best of luck to you. But for me, I probably would not eat food off of another human. I'd have to be real hungry. The thing is like, like I'd have to be so, I'd have to be real hungry. The thing is like, like I'd have to skip lunch. I'd have to be real hungry. I would not stop laughing.

I would be the worst. I know. Cecil, I would be the worst person at an orgy or like a swingers party with like a fucking naked lady charcuterie board. Oh my God. I wouldn't stop giggling. I would be laughing. I'd be giggling.

I'm the worst. I'm such a little boy. I would never be able to get a heart. I'd be laughing so fucking hard. I'd be the worst. I'm such a little boy. I would never be able to get a heart. I'd be laughing so fucking hard. It'd be the worst. We got a message again from Seth, and he sent an image, and we're going to put it on this week's show notes,

but it's about the Little Mermaid, and my God, was there enough? Is there enough controversy over this where we could just be like, holy shit, it's a black character. Who the fuck? Why do people care so much? And then the fights

people were getting in would i unbelievable it's canon that she's a white lady like god really like well first of all like canon is a pretty big word for i watched a cartoon that's a real big fucking word for once there was a cartoon I liked. It's so cringy when people freak out about this stuff. And the same thing's been happening with Lord of the Rings too, because I guess that they're being inclusionary in some of the casting decisions they're making. Oh, so Middle Earth isn't all white people with different makeup?

And so they have a couple of people of color that are actors in it, and people are flipping their shit. And you're just like, and you're just like, dude, just calm down, man. Like elves aren't real. So a white elf or a black elf, it literally doesn't matter.

None of it's real. It's not real. Stop, calm down. Take a deep breath. Anytime you see that and you're confused, just remember a wizard did it. A wizard did it. Tom, we got a message.

This is from Adam. He says, I have to disagree in the strongest possible terms. Have you ever seen someone in a rainbow wig and thought, that motherfucker's an assassin?

No, you haven't because it's 100% effective. That's good. It's great assassin camouflage. It's very true. Assassin camouflage. We also got a message from, this is from David, and David sent a link to a carbon capture facility.

Now, this is from a link. We're not sure this interesting engineering site, but according to this article, it says a carbon removal facility can suck up 5 million metric tons of CO2 yearly. The U.S.-based facility hopes to capture CO2 roughly the equivalent of 5 million metric tons of CO2 yearly. The U.S.-based facility hopes to capture CO2 roughly the equivalent of 5 million return flights between London and New York annually.

And I think that is people, not like individuals, like 5 million people, individuals, not 5 million individual flights. Oh, I thought it would be 5 million individual flights. I think it's 5 million people. I think that's what it comes down to. Man, I hope that it's 5 million flights.

Yeah. That would be fucking awesome. But, you know. But what makes this like even economically possible is things like the Inflation Reduction Act, which creates carbon credits to allow for something like this to have a viable economic model to survive. Otherwise, we would have to do this just on goodwill and largesse. And let's be real, we just fought for two years

about whether or not we should wear a mask during a pandemic. Largesse and goodwill are not our forte. Economics have to drive everything. That does. It has to be done through corporations. Also, I want to mention a message we got from Russell

who says he's coming to Chicago. Is there any must-eat restaurants or places to go? Must places to go, Art Institute, Field Museum, the Lakefront, Grant Park, they're all awesome. Go see The Bean downtown. It's the, what is that guy's name? Amish Kapoor. Amish Kapoor, yeah.

That guy made the thing down there. Listen to the Black is Black episode of Citation Needed before you go. It's called Cloud Gate. It's a really cool little park. Yeah, it's a beautiful park. So go check that out, but then also check out the lakefront and then check out the Art Institute of Chicago.

It's an amazing art institute. It's an amazing art museum. Field Museum, awesome. I love the field. Field Museum is awesome. Also, if you're going to go out for food, Pequod's for pizza. We love Pequod's.

Pequod's is killer. Pequod's is amazing. It's going to take a while to get your pie, but it's going to be worth it. If you want to go out for awesome, awesome pub style food that's also like gastropub stuff, the Publican is one of the best places in Chicago to go. Genuinely amazing. If you're looking for the best steak in Chicago, I would go to Maple and Ash. Yeah. Get reservations soon. It's a pretty swanky joint, but the food there is outstanding. The service is outstanding. We've been there multiple times. Tom and I have been there multiple times. It's outstanding.

It's a wonderful place to go. Those would be my top picks in Chicago. If you're looking for Italian piccolosonios, out of this world, really great food. Get the wild boar. That's a wild boar pasta. Oh my God. It's just outstanding.

It's perfect. There's a bunch of places in Chicago that are great to eat. While you're in Chicago, get yourself an Italian beef sandwich. Yeah. Stay away from Al's. Any other place though

is probably going to be pretty good. Go to Greektown, get a gyro. That's fucking outstanding. Really great stuff. There's really great food in Greektown too. If you get the Italian beef and you like something a little spicy, get the Chicago style Giardiniera.

It's its own thing. If you like a hot dog, try a Chicago style hot dog. People like them. That's also a thing here. Yeah, people like them. I'm not a huge fan of it. I always get the Italian beef

over a Chicago style dog. Oh, same, yeah. But Italian beef is outstanding. Delicious sandwich. I know people are finding it now because there's a TV show called The Bear where a guy is eating an Italian beef sandwich or whatever

and people are like what the fuck is this thing so people are starting to learn about them it's an amazing sandwich probably one of the best local sandwiches ever made anywhere it's outstanding it's so goddamn good

it's really delicious food all right that's gonna wrap it up for this week. We're going to leave it like we always do with the Skeptic's Creed. Credulity is not a virtue. It's fortune cookie cutter, mommy issue, hypno-Babylon bullshit. Couched in

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