Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 651 - Alex Jones Judgment with Knowledge Fight

Episode Date: October 17, 2022

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Today's show is brought to you by adamandeve.com. Go to adamandeve.com right now and you'll get 50% off just about any item. All you have to do is enter the code word GLORY, G-L-O-R-Y, at checkout. So we recorded this bit here before Tom goes, before anything. We recorded this bit here of audio last week with the Knowledge Fight guys. Now we recorded it before the big settlement hit. So we're going to start the show with the Knowledge Fight guys. Now, we recorded it before the big settlement hit. So we're going to start the show with the Knowledge Fight guys.

They're going to be, they're going to talk and imagine this all happened last week. So none of the big stuff that just came out yesterday and today, or I guess if you're listening to this on Monday, it's, you know, last Wednesday, Thursday. So that stuff hadn't come out yet. Tom and I are going to finish the show though.

At the end, after Knowledge Fight is over, we're going to come back in and we're going to record a little bit of tape talking about the big settlement that just came out yesterday when this is being recorded last Wednesday, if you're getting this Monday. Be advised that this show is not for children,

the faint of heart, or the easily offended. The explicit tag is there for a reason. recording live from glory hole studios in chicago and beyond this is cognitive dissonance every episode we blast anyone who gets in our way we bring critical thinking skepticism and irreverence to any topic that makes the news makes it big or makes us mad it's skeptical it's political and there is no welcome at this is episode number can you count six five one ian inserts dynamically the episode number here and we are joined by dan and Jordan from Knowledge Fight. Once again, gentlemen. Hello. That's us. Thanks for joining us. Hey, real quick. Thanks for having us.

Can we all just recognize how nice it is to have four white guys on a podcast for a change? It's so rare. It's just a breath of fresh air. Breath of fresh air. Usually it's three white guys. Now we have four. So fucking refreshing to really feel represented,

you know, in this space. Oh, man. Wow. I'm just going to suck it in for a minute. I feel real silly because I thought you were going to say,

hey, can we acknowledge that we left off last time on a little bit of a salty note? Not that we acknowledge that we have four white guys here. And then you started on a bit of a salty note. Oh, hey, hey. I'm 25% of those white guys.

That's true. That's true. Let's rehash. What exactly? If you have grievances, let's hear them. Go ahead. Yeah, let's have a Festivus moment. Let's air this out.

Let's air out the grievances. No grievances. No grievances. Just, you know, we did the live stream with y'all for charity. Oh, that's out. Let's air out the grievances. No grievances. No grievances. Just, you know, we did the live stream with y'all for charity. Oh, yeah. Our audience, we came in third out of three. Did you? I don't

remember. I don't remember. Yeah. I wouldn't rank anybody like that. That's odd. Oh, sure you wouldn't. I did remember it was third. I only remembered it was last. So I didn't remember. The thing is, I don't know how to not do that. I thanked remembered it was last so I didn't remember sure the thing is like I don't know how to not do that

I thanked you guys that night I can't thank you guys enough we just love you guys actually you guys are the best we had such a good turnout that night we did and without you guys we wouldn't have done

anything close to that and so we want to say that out loud it was so fun and a treat and I'm only bringing this up because I think it's very funny to make fun of us. We're coming in third.

I didn't have an issue with where we landed. I had an issue with the word firmly because that suggested that we couldn't I don't like being stuck in a place. We have no chance of coming back just firmly. Nobody puts Jordan in the corner.

Nobody will ever confuse Jordan and firm. That's fine. That's fine. Jordan himself. It's getting hot in here. Roast comedy. Comedy's coming at you. I don't know what else to do.

I'm sorry. It's just like, it's the worst parts of me. And that's most of me. I don't know what else to do. Seriously, though, when you guys were on, we did that abortion fundraiser, the abortion access fundraiser. Is that the last time we talked?

That's the last time we spoke. I think so, yeah. So right at that time, we were talking, I think you might've been on a show relatively recently before then. And we were talking about you guys maybe going to Austin, you guys being involved in the trial there.

I know there's a trial now again for Alex Jones in another state, Connecticut, I think it is. Yeah. So just went to deliberation. Yeah. Are you guys, are you guys,

uh, did you guys travel and, and, and sort of like, uh, tell us about the experience of, of the, uh,

coverage of that. Um, Jordan, do you, do you have any feelings? Uh, well, first we,

we did travel to the Austin trial, but we have not gone to the Connecticut trial for any number of reasons. It was too much the last time. Yeah, yeah. Exhausting. The trip to Austin was intense in a way that I don't know if we've ever experienced before. How so? It was like, you know, we've spent five years.

That was the first time I'd seen Alex in person personally. Dan had done the deposition. Yeah. I was in a small room with him prior to this. So I'd kind of broken the seal on Alex as a human. Like one with flesh. Dan, what does he smell like? I didn't get a whiff.

I would guess some liquor the breath cheap plastic bottle vodka i feel like it would be like yesterday's dracar noir and today's you know and he um i i during the deposition i made a very very concerted point to not talk to him and stay away. For one, I was kind of scared. I didn't know if he recognized me. And I didn't want to cause any trouble for the plaintiff's lawyers. And then this time,

when we were in Austin, we were near him and not within nose shot. But there's a couple pictures of us standing behind him while he's giving a press conference. And so we were just trying to photobomb him. That's amazing. You gotta give him a shirt. You gotta walk up

and give him a knowledge-fired shirt. My favorite is also the saddest moment. It was weird how one of my favorite moments for us and one of the saddest moments of the trial in Austin was simultaneous. After one day of the trial in Austin was simultaneous. After one day of the trial,

Alex went up to oh my god, I can't even. He went up to the parents, Scarlett, and he started talking to them. And then that led to Mark kind of getting in the way and being like, hey,

don't fucking do this shit you know that kind of thing and that was all caught on video I saw that but if you watch the video you'll see at the very top right before anything happens Dan and I walk out the door we left

we left five seconds five seconds before it happened. But that's good because I have very little control for shit like that. I would have absolutely gone apeshit. That's not okay for me. I felt like that day shit felt really weird. So I wanted to get out of that courtroom like about as quick as I could.

It turns out my instincts were correct. Was it a hard ticket? How'd you get in? Like, did you just know somebody or? Scalpers, baby. Yeah, StubHub, you could get anything. I'm a consulting expert on the Texas trial.

Technically, because I've heard some things that I maybe shouldn't. I am also a consulting expert on the trial. I thought you were and guest. I got bumped up because I'm friends with Mark. Actually, on the first day that we were there, I got to sit on the front row with the pews.

Maybe sit in the back. Jordan, sit in the back. Maybe sit in the back. There wasn't room. I'm just saying that there are three and a half white guys on this show. That's a podcast under, that is a podcast under for us. We're together now together.

It's together or nothing. That's it. Send us out of the room. 25 years. I'll let her all fucking go. A couple hours in, I did go back and sit with Jordan in the back, and then

I ditched him again. I mean, it was... I don't know if I was specifically sent back there so much as I went back there instinctively because it was our first day. And because I have so not true there wasn't room

yeah well there's that I'm trying to be nice I instinctively recognized that there were no seats up front I could have gone I could have gone to like the third row I could have gone like a little bit further back but I went all the way to the back you know that

kind of thing and And it was smart because it was my first day and I don't know if you saw the pictures at all, but sweaty. I had sweat through my shirt entirely like that sounds horrible all the way to the bottom of the shirt. It became a little bit of a meme. Yeah. Jordan's

armpit. People were making fun of me. It was great. It was great. It turns out the THC is illegal in Austin even in Austin what? right? yeah that's nonsense I don't know what you're saying it turns out this is a problem you can solve

in about three hours three hours it was about how long it took it was very simple I sent out a tweet of me with sweaty pits going like, Hey man, this is what happens when THC is how you deal with anxiety.

And then you just lose it within seconds. I've bombarded with like, I know a guy, you know, like fine. I get that. But you understand I'm going to court during the day. I'm not going to talk to an,

I know a guy. Like two days in Jordan was thinking about starting a small business. Reselling all the land. That was an untapped market down here in Austin. Oh man, I also got hit by a truck on the first day.

It was an exciting trip to Austin. Wait a minute, you got hit by a truck? You were in a car. I was in a truck. You were in a car. I was in a car. I was in a Lyft. I was in a Lyft. And we had a plan to record. So we had a soundboard and we were going to do the whole thing.

And that all fell apart. So on the first day, I'm taking Lyfts all around Austin to anywhere I could buy a soundboard while Dan tries to figure out what we've already got. And as I get into the soundboard or as I get into the lift to go to a guitar center or whatever, instantly in the parking lot of a Home Depot, I get

smashed by a fucking truck. Jesus Christ, man. Right in the side. And luckily, I was on the other side and I smashed my head against the passenger side door. It was fucked up, right? And then I left. And then you had to get another Lyft. And pretended that it never happened.

Because the Lyft driver was like, hey, you know, if you're in an accident in a Lyft, like there's a whole legal thing and you have to do interviews. And I was like, I'm gone. I wasn't here. Don't look at the electronic trail that I've left before I was in the bar.

Never there. Never there. What an experience. That guy stole my phone. My God. Now, when you guys were down there, you're seeing people, specifically people that have,

you know, been wronged by Alex. And this is something that you guys talk about on your show where, you know, for years you guys have been talking about the people who have been wronged by Alex. Was there anything that was said on those stands that was surprising to you? Or did you kind of already know everything that was happening? There's some details about how things went down um that were surprising certainly the individual experiences like in that case it was neil heslin and scarlett lewis who were the plaintiffs and their stories about like their actual like their lives you know a lot

of that isn't stuff that necessarily um comes out lot. That was challenging and tough to listen to just because of how much sympathy you feel. For sure. There are things about how Alex behaved that even were kind of like, you don't know this stuff publicly. A lot of the stuff that's in emails and the

extent to which he and people at Infowars had every reason to be aware of what Wolfgang Halbig was doing and how he was harassing the family members. That wasn't stuff that necessarily was widespread before. It sucks. It sucks.

It's awful. Yeah. And then there's stuff that you just realize how long this has been fucking going on. Whenever they started describing Jesse Lewis's funeral as a war hero, you know what I'm saying?

I didn't remember that. I'm sure at the time, whenever the... Obama was there, it was a whole thing. I'm sure at the time, whenever the, I mean, Obama was there, like, it was a whole thing. I'm sure at the time, I processed that and I was like, that is deserving.

And then to go back and see that story told on the stand as something that somebody was maligning and trying to destroy was so fucking, to be in the room for that

makes you lose your fucking mind. Yeah. The poise and strength that they had to be able to do that was amazing. Obviously, this isn't about us, but being there was also emotionally draining as

observers. I'm sure. No disrespect to any of them, any of the family members or anything but I'm not sure I would want to go and be in the courtroom again I don't know if I can handle that if you have empathy

as a person I don't think they would find it disrespectful for you to say that it's draining simply because that means that you are feeling what you should feel it should be draining thank you for rationalizing for me, Jordan. You're welcome. Listen, we're nothing if not partners, my friend.

I'll be sure you get in the front row next time. Six rows back. We're partners, but I'll be six rows back. To be fair, Jordan, sitting in the back was kind of a blessing because you got to tangle with Alex's security. That's right. Wait, what?

Did you fist fight Alex's security? Hold on. Before we continue, I need you to describe Alex's security. You need to describe them to me. Which one of the 30 dudes? 30 dudes? Maybe not 30, but like 10 probably. Please tell me they drove

there in a tank. They had to sell the tank. They wouldn't do a great job Defending Thermopylae But there's enough to do a good damage They could do some work There's the main guy He's a guy named Tim Inlow He's like the sort of head of Alex's crew

And I know him because I've seen him before And so like I could pick him out and then all the rest of them were kind of like nondescript dudes who except for one guy who is about four foot eight well very descriptive and he fucking does the back flips and stuff he's there

they keep him in the back it's like everything goes south things go pear shaped for them that's when four when 8 comes out. Hey, hey, sure. Come on out, Slim. You don't want any part of this. Things are always pear-shaped with Alex.

Roast! There was also a security guard with a mustache that I swear was fake. I could not... That's amazing. He had sunglasses on and just looked like he was trying to be like the Beastie Boys. He's in disguise.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Oh no, he looks like he was hiding from a charge he got from another bodyguarding gig. Yeah, yeah. Now Dan, you know how you can tell if he's got the mustache and the glasses. Did the eyes have springs that sort of bounce down? Because that's definitely a disguise when they're

No. No, but Alex's lawyer did have ping pong balls with eyeballs on them. On this Connecticut case, Norm did fall asleep for a short period of time. His lawyer did, yeah. He fell asleep for a little bit of time.

Can you blame him? He's going to be like, well, wait a minute. If I stay awake, things will go well. You know? I don't blame him? It's not like he's going to be like, well, wait a minute. If I stay awake, things will go well. You know? I don't blame him because he's a shithead. And, you know, what are you going to do? He doesn't care. Yeah, he's a psycho.

He's like straight up listening to him talk during this trial. You know, like in the Austin trial, the defense lawyer was a man named Ray Nall, who was like a professional former prosecutor. Like this was a real ass lawyer. Right. And so he was trying to tiptoe around like, what I'm really doing is making people relive the worst thing that's ever

happened to any human being ever. You know, he was trying to do that. Norm is like, Hey, your, your kid was murdered. Fuck you. Like that might as well have been what he went out to do that. Norm is like, hey, your kid was murdered. Fuck you.

Like, that might as well have been what he went out there and said. His opening statement was like, now I would like to say that we think they're exaggerating their pain. Totally, totally. Like, whoa, whoa, asshole. That feels like not a winning strategy. All right, here's how you appeal to the hearts and minds of an audience. We're going to mock the grieving of... What the fuck?

But isn't Raynaud the one that let Alex's entire phone record leak? He's the one. He's the competent. In these two examples, though, you've got Raynaud, who you described in relatively competent terms. And that guy is like,

here's my entire cell phone. We all can make mistakes. That's a mistake, man. That's a huge... I would say it's... As much as it's his mistake, and he's going to own it because he fucking deserves to, the real mistake is

that there have been 15 lawyers on the case. True. So he got within what he was hired like three weeks before the case. So the whole thing is him trying to catch up on literally five years of work. And then

he fucks up. Yeah. And it's like that makes sense. And just to clarify, because I would be remiss if I didn't. It's not his whole phone. It's only, it's only like a period of time in his phone. Oh, I think a lot of people sensationalize that a little bit.

I thought it was his whole phone. Yeah, that's what we had heard too. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, it's his phone records for a period of time.

It's like, like a six month window or something like that. And you don't even really know if they're complete phone records. Cause he might have deleted some shit along the way. Yeah. Does it include January 6th? I'm only,

I'm not sure what all is in there, but I'm only saying this to push back on the, like, the idea that, you see this in news stories that like,

people are afraid of what's in there and like, we have, like, they've got everything. And like, I think that you set yourself up

for disappointment when, when you, when you think that that's what's going to eventually come out. When you guys were down there, you guys got some knowledge about you too. You guys got some media attention, even I dare say even bigger potentially than cognitive dissonance podcast. You were on,

we were in the background of a local access news. No, you guys were, weren't you guys on CNN? Yeah, you guys got... We were on a cancelled show. We got Brian Stelter cancelled. But when they

asked you to come on, what did they tell you to say? Because we know CNN is fake news. So what did they say to you to tell you what to say? They said, please say Hillary is awesome. Pizza gate is fake. Pizza gate is fake.

Did they give you the keys to the weather machine or does that come later? I don't know. You get the weather gun or whatever. When you get the hurricane machine. No comment.

It did have the appeal of who's the guy who was on like, who's ruined every show immediately after the star left? Jordan. I'm kidding. The first thing that came to mind was Joe Rogan and Doug Stanhope taking over the man show. There we go.

But then I remembered the man show wasn't good to begin with. Right, right, right. Nobody cares about that show but the man show. Who was it who took over on Happy Days? What was his name? What? Scott Baio? Scott Baio, that's right. Going on CNN at the time

felt like being Scott Baio on any TV show. Because you know it's going to be cancelled in a week later. You're answering questions while you're jumping sharks through the sky. It was legit insane. I know we didn't have anything to do with it, but it was the next

week after we were on that he got canceled. It was very funny. It felt bad. That's still a higher level of acclaim than Cecil and I have had. I gotta ask, what is that like? What was it like? Does it suck? It was weird.

We went to a studio in downtown and they put makeup on and then I'm sweating because I'm a sweaty dude. And then I'm aware that I have makeup on and if I sweat too much, it's going to ruin the makeup. Which makes him sweat. So you're trying to will the sweat back into

your pores? Yes. Doing this. Yeah. There was a makeup person there who would occasionally like poke his... Like,

all right, we're going to get that sweat off your forehead. It's like, oh man. And then we were sitting there and it's a black wall that we're looking at.

Yeah. There's nothing on the wall and you just have an earpiece that Brian Stelter is talking in and it's not good audio. So I couldn't tell one of the questions that he asked when we were talking. And I can't see his reactions.

There's no monitor. There's nothing. That's crazy. This is better. It felt really weird. Yes, this is better. I felt like weird. This is better. I felt like when I was watching you, it felt like there was a delay because a couple

times you guys kept going afterwards and now it makes sense that you couldn't see his reaction. So you're just like, well, he didn't say anything. So I guess I just keep talking then. Yeah. Yeah. Couldn't see shit. Some people have said like you. They need an in. Yeah. It doesn't matter what was asked.

Just answer a question. People will say that. And I kind of understand what they mean. Yeah. You could just say, blah, whatever. Yeah. But it wasn't pleasant. I didn't find it pleasant.

I did see a couple of his facial reactions afterwards. Like whenever we could see what the video was. And there were a couple of times he made a face and I was like, I guess he wasn't expecting us to say stuff like this. He had a scrunched up face whenever we... No, I remember specifically we were like...

He was trying to get us to talk about Alex Jones. What's the funniest thing about the trial? Yes! He was trying to get us to be funny people. And we're both like, I'm really happy that we're centering Neil and Scarlett and Jesse Lewis in this conversation on TV and he made these faces like, oh, I guess

that's what we're doing here. Fine. I wanted to talk about Alex Jones being a dick. I think there's a little bit of that vibe, but I do want to say that the pre-interview people that I talked to, I made it very clear that we didn't want to make a joke of

this stuff. And they were totally on the same page. They were super nice. They really wanted us to do what we did. It was just Stelter made some faces. And then he got fired. And then he got fucking fired. Probably because he made those fucking faces. Definitely not some sort of HBO Warner deal or something.

I think it was because you wore the Chicago Teachers Union shirt on that's fucking killer. I love it. That's awesome. Yeah, that was that was fun to the larger point. I would rather come on and talk with you guys. So you guys beat

CNN. Oh, yeah. Thank goodness. Is that a high bar or a low bar? I can't. Our tech guys. I don't know. I'll tell you, if you look at their ratings, you might have better download numbers. So I'll say that to you. You're beating CNN Plus.

Yes. Wait. They went out of business. That's what I was going to say. My grandma's beating CNN Plus and she's dead. I wanted to ask you guys a question. I've never asked this and I find this very interesting.

We've talked to you guys multiple times and I never asked you guys if you have ever heard from anyone who either found out about you because they were like pro Alex or they used to be pro Alex and they sent you guys a message afterwards. Have you guys converted anybody from Alex Jones to not Alex Jones? Has that ever happened?

Cause cause we get messages on occasion where people are like, I found you guys as I was leaving religion and it really made me, you know, think a lot. And a couple of people have said that they listened to us while they were religious and we made them not religious. So I'm just curious if there's any deconversion that happened on your part. Yeah, definitely.

I mean, there's, there are messages that we get from time to time like that. I, I, it's not intentional. Like I think it's a great side thing that can happen, but yeah, I don't know it's we I get more like

my dad loves this stuff and I was around it and you guys have helped us understand each other better or people who grew up in these communities and like like this helps them put in perspective what they... I couldn't put

words to what I felt is more what I get from a lot of messages than like, oh, I used to be this person and now I'm a different person. It's more like when I stopped being the person that was a part of that group, when I realized that I was

no longer a part of that group, you were there that I was no longer a part of that group, you were there. And then because of that, I found a group. That's, to me, what more we get. Yeah, there are sometimes... There are cases of people who have been like, I believed this stuff and you

guys helped show that it was dumb. But it's not super common. Yeah, It's a small amount, I'm sure. I think if we had more penetration into the InfoWars listeners, then that might happen more. But

Alex won't mention us on air. There's never any talk of us. And we don't really engage with social media all that much. So we're not poking people to come find us and challenge themselves. Yeah, it is funny. It's

been glaring for a while that Alex refuses to even mention we exist. But then we were on TV on his most hated show. Stelter! We know you saw it. We know you saw it.

And his lawyer brought us up in a bankruptcy hearing. Yeah, absolutely. As knowledge first. Yeah. He said that people have created a cottage industry around Alex Jones. Wow.

You're a cottage industry? Wow. Yeah. You know what? I wouldn't describe it cottage industry. Wow. Yeah. You know what? I wouldn't describe it as industry. Next cottage I buy. I'm calling you guys. That's it. This is artisanal

podcast. It's a small cottage. I would call it an apartment industry. I was talking to a guy I know the other day and he said something about Alex Jones. I thought about you guys. He said,

Was he in a hot tub and a globalist? Hot tub, yes. Globalist. It's to be said. But we're talking. He said, I was like, that's some Alex Jones bullshit. He's like, the problem with Alex Jones is he's right about

just enough stuff that, like, the crazy stuff seems believable. And I was like, what the fuck is he right about? What in the world is he ever... And so I wanted to ask you guys, because I don't watch Alex Jones like, literally ever as a rule. Like, I've

never, and I will admit, I've seen clips. Not one time in my life have I watched InfoWorks. Like, literally ever as a rule. Like, I've never, and I will admit, I've seen clips. You're missing out. Not one time in my life have I watched Infowars. Fair enough. Is he right about anything? Jordan, you've been abused for six years by me. What do you think?

No. I didn't think so. No, no, no. And here's more important. This is what's more important. Even if you think he is right about something, or even if he is demonstrably somebody who said that a series of events could happen, and then those series of events kind of happened in a similar way to what he might have described it being,

that's more like the quote-unquote truth that he's got just enough of. It's bullshit and on a daily basis. And that's the problem. That's the like the quote unquote truth that he's got just enough of. It's bullshit. And on a daily basis. And that's the problem. That's the fucking problem. That's the fucking problem. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, shit.

Let him go. Let him go. No, this is what's going on with your friend, with you. I've never watched the show. I've only watched clips. So you think, oh, man, he was right about something. Instead of seeing that every single day he's made a different prediction about some other bullshit that never happened and he just got fucking lucky

this time like it's not hard or if you want to say that oh an economic depression is around the corner regulate fucking any financial situation and it won't happen we don't but we don't so it will it's going to That's not a prediction. Yeah, he's right about some of that stuff. The economy will falter eventually. If you want to make that... There will be a brand bust. Or

there are some criticisms that he has that are right, but they're better articulated by other people. And his points are meaningless. What is that? What is, give me a criticism.

You think that is, I'm curious about that. Well, uh, the corporate elites hold too much sway in society. Sure. You know, like he touches on that,

but the way he touches on it and everything that surrounds that criticism is total bullshit. Right. If that's it, if that's the only thing that you're sort of attaching to, you could be like, yeah, he's right about that. Not realizing that

there's tons of other people who have much more robust critiques of this and actual solutions. Yeah. They don't think the devil is behind it. And not just that, but when he says, oh, the corporate elites have too much power, he doesn't leave in the part where he also believes

that it's just the wrong elites that have too much power. He would be happy if the right people had the exact same amount of power that they could abuse in a different way. Yeah, absolutely. Well, his big enemy is globalists and globalism. During Trump's administration, he's like, I'd be totally fine with a one-world government

if it was like Trump. Yeah, exactly. Fuck you, man. What's the point? What's the point of anything? Do you think it's a big problem? Something you said, Jordan, just grabbed me. Do you think it's a huge problem? With his listeners, do you think they're all listening for their pet issue? They hear it.

And then they stop listening and sort of like circumscribing the context of their pet issues. So like, if I think corporations are a great evil, I'm going to hear that part. I'm going to ignore the part that's like, and it's because, you know,

fucking jibber jabbing the devil and all this. Like, I'm just going to hear the part that, that like I click with, I'm just going to hear the part that I click with. I'm just going to hear the part I connect with. And I can throw because he throws so much spaghetti against the wall. Right. I know this question was for Jordan, but I have an answer after you're

done. I will defer to my partner. You know what? I insist. For the initial cross-examination. We will do this in row order. Yeah, you go to the sixth row and then we'll call it.

Starting from the back. Starting from the back. If I was going to say how they interact with it or how they interface with it, I would say that it starts very much like what you've described is like seeing these clips

and then somebody gives you the clip that makes you feel like this guy is right about something right so then you get caught up into it and you have it on as a background noise or something like that and your ears perk up every now and again until as time goes on eventually you're like well if

I trust this man to say that this is wrong then I have to also trust him when he says it's demons. You know, like sooner or later, you get to the point where you're in or you're out. Is it demons or is it not? You know, are you willing to jump over that line or not? And that's, I think, what happens more than like,

oh, I'm listening for certain things so much as it is. Like you just get on that roller coaster and there you go. And I would say for my response... In a better response... Okay, front row. Forcing me to go first. Front row now. Wow.

I think the question's a little shoddy in that I don't think it's an intellectual process for the listeners. I think your question's fair, but I just don't think that the answer I'm right here Dan these are my feelings your question was fine your question is firmly in third place so far

I think that instead of like you have a pet issue that you get hooked in on I think it's emotional I think it's more of an emotional thing that he satisfies. He makes you feel things. Like, you know, the yelling and the...

Because you haven't watched a full show or any of... I mean, this comes across in clips, though, too. He's trying to elicit emotions from people. Fear. Scarcity. Threat. These kinds of things. I think that people... It appeals to them. people, fear, scarcity, threat, these kinds of things. I think that people, it appeals

to them and will latch on emotionally and then somehow convince themselves that the intellectual stuff is there too. I think that's more what happens to these poor people. Well, yeah. I mean, there is that addiction to fear where you go

like, I'm afraid of this, so I need to be aware of what it is I should be afraid of. So then I have control over my fears, you know. Unfortunately, you just have control over your fears about weather weapons. You know, it's not the same. No comment. You know, we just saw a video. We watched it a couple weeks ago. There's a guy on a station that Ian introduced us to called Channel 5, and he did an interview with Alex Jones. I see you're nodding your head, Dan, so I suspect you've seen this. It was like a 10-minute, 12-minute video maybe, I'm guessing, and he has a conversation with Alex Jones.

Alex Jones is sitting across from him, and Alex Jones is saying, I killed all those kids at Sandy Hook and he's doing all this like really dramatic stuff. He also, in that video, there's a plea to his audience to buy his stuff

because he is going to be broke. And there's a big stack of his books behind it. Is he, are you keeping up with his stuff that he's doing now? And is he, is it like a fire sale? Is he trying to get as much money as he can? And doesn't that money just go to somebody else if that gets into his possession?

Yeah, sort of. I mean, what he's doing is he's shifted now to like, hey, I'm scamming you, but it's for fun. Hey, I'm scamming you, but it's for fun. He started doing things like, I have a giant markup on my book, but it's a fundraiser like PBS does. He's rationalizing ridiculous markups for the audience to pay $100 for a $20 book. But you're getting a piece of...

It's a war bond for the InfoWar. Oh my God. That kind of like, it's a war bond for the info war. Oh my God. That's amazing. This marketer, that's the marketing genius right there. But the strategy is because he's in bankruptcy court. He's trying to prove to the bankruptcy court that the business is solvent and that the business is profitable. So he can get on some kind of a payment plan. So all of these debts and everything that he can't discharge through bankruptcy,

he'll just pay off for a long period of time and be able to stay on air. Meanwhile, he'll probably... I mean, look, I don't know this for sure, but I would assume start making money from another company that isn't in bankruptcy. And work a scam that way. assume, start making money from another company that isn't in bankruptcy and work a scam that way. So right now, he's trying to do this fire sale kind of thing

in order to trick the bankruptcy court into thinking the business is better off than it is. Yeah. That's kind of my belief. Yeah. The money isn't going to go to somebody else if it's in the Seychelles. Right. Yeah. All right.

So he, obviously default and then, you know, went to judge. They figured at 45 million, give or take, right, in Texas.

Probably, I mean, it's going to be millions in Connecticut. I mean, because that was also default. So they're really just arm wrestling about dollars.

And it'll be much more because the way that law is written up in, because it's very unfriendly in Connecticut. And there's 15 plaintiffs too. That's another big factor. There's so many plaintiffs. So do you think, gentlemen, and this is probably the most important question on my list. This is the most important question. I can tell.

Oh, no. I know where you're going. How close to the desk are we? I knew this was going to come up. I have such bad news. No, I want that desk. The desk has already been claimed. Yeah. No, my heart.

Plaintiff's attorney, Bill Ogden, has laid a stake on this desk. And he says... We did see it. I'm on your side. If you want to go up against Bill, you fucking do it. You do it as much as you want. you want to go up against Bill, you fucking do it. You do it as much as you want.

Feel free to go up against Bill. The last snowfall, I brushed that desk off and I put a chair on it and I called it. That's my desk. That's how this works. Would somebody else claim the desk?

The lawyer in the Texas case. One of the lawyers. Plaintiff's attorneys, yeah. I'll fight him in a celebrity boxing match and see if I can win the desk back for us. We'll see what happens. I don't know. I don't think you're a slouch or anything, but Bill,

I'd be worried. He fought Alex Jones and won $45 million. How about that? He punched $45 million right on Alex Jones like fucking rings from Sarn. Don't do this. If he gets a hold of this clip, it's going to be trouble. He's going to have a big ego.

He's tall. And I got to say, if you watch some of the depositions that he's done, I would be scared to fight him. There is a menacingness to Bill. He's a very nice guy and I like him. He also

he's famous for eating gummy to Bill. He's a very nice guy and I like him. But he also... He's famous for eating gummy bears or gummy worms as an intimidation tactic in a deposition group. If I have to, I will hire Alex Jones' 4'5 bodyguard to fight him. We're not getting

the desk. So sad. Such a sad moment. Hear me out on this. It's such a sad moment. Such a sad moment. What? Well, hear me out on this. All right. It just establishes a new path for us to get the desk. Okay.

Okay. All right. That's fine. Now we have to create like an Ocean's Eleven style heist to steal it from Bill. Yes. Yes. We're not going to be able to fight him for it. We're not going to get it from Infowars, but we still could find a way to... We could still go.

I could blackmail him, but we have seen him without a shirt on. So, there's something there. You have? Remember when we did the interview with them after the trial? He was in bed.

Oh, my God. He was in bed with the computer on his... He was in bed with like seven women at the same time. I got a fucking info. There's an info desk in the background with a woman on it. It was ridiculous.

It was so funny. He just did not give a shit. I'll give it to him for that. I know that you want the desk. I want the desk. I think we should each have half of the desk. I want the desk. I think we should each have half of the desk. No. We should got to share it.

It's like custody. It's like custody. Solomon-esque. It's like custody. It's got to get shipped weekly back and forth. It's weekly custody. Like custody. We'll have to pay for shipping.

For Stanley. Yeah. That's what we're dealing with. Every week. You get it the next week. We get it the following week. That's how it should work. I think it's got to be as awkward as possible.

That's how it should be. Here's what we do. We shift our recording schedules so we can always record on Alex's desk. You guys have it when you record. We'll get a studio in a neutral third space. Alternating days.

That sounds perfect. We'll get all pissy about it. I thought you were going to clean it this time. Catch a boil. Now that we're working in the studio, I think I like you guys. I think we should give you guys a show. They called it rumpled. No ketchup today,

but there is some sesame butter. What is sesame butter? Isn't that tahini? I don't know. Some listener sent it to me. I don't know what it is. He just wanted it on the desk so he could talk about it later.

No, I left it on the desk because I want Jordan to take it with him and he doesn't get the hint. Haven't gotten the hint yet. I have another question about the trial. When he was being,

he was getting, he was on trial down at in austin maybe it was might have been in connecticut i don't remember if it was you tom or someone else who had said that he would leave and then go talk about it on his show and like demean the judge yes while he was away did you guys catch any of those shows? Yeah, that was in Texas. Okay, that was in Texas that he did this. Yeah, because he was running back to the studio. It was very weird. No, he'd get there at like 9,

stay there until 11 or 12, which is like, I think he's staying there a little bit longer so he has to do less time on his show. He's got an excuse to be lazier. I mean, it does feel like that. And then he shit talks the trial. Yeah, he was like calling the judge a demon

and like she's involved with pedophiles. And he said that Neil Haslund, one of the plaintiffs was slow. Yep. And like on the spectrum. And he was like calling the jury a bunch of idiots, basically. And then

bananas enough, they tried to spin it in court as him being like, no, no, no. See, he was complimenting them because in his description of Neil being slow, he was like, but I know people in my family who have that kind of thing

and I love them so I love this guy and you're like no that doesn't save you I have a black friend yeah right totally he can't stop himself he's just he's like he's so fucking did he get reprimanded for that

yeah I don't know if it had any concrete like effect but yeah he was he got a nice scolding he's been reprimanded a thousand times i think i think he doesn't feel like the reprimand does much anymore there was a picture of like the judge with flames and stuff and yeah well there's another one too with just like a picture of her and like it's like is this a picture of uh the judge on fire and he's like oh there's a picture of her and like, is this a picture of the judge on fire? And he's like, no, it's a picture of justice on fire. Yeah. All right, man.

Yep. All right. Wow. There's no repercussions for people like this. What the fuck happened? We're in the process of repercussions and that's how dumb it is. It's been five years and they expected everybody to quit. That's how bad repercussions

are in this country. They were like, well, maybe if we just string this out long enough, they'll be like, I'll take 10 million just to go away. Alex has talked about that being kind of his legal strategy in the past. Trump's legal strategy too. Deny, deny, delay until they agree to a settlement

just because they've run out of money. Yeah, all of that stuff. Interestingly though, just last week or at the end of September, Alex got on his show in the middle of this trial and said that Sandy Hook he thinks was probably fake again.

A synthetic event. In the middle of this? Like a week and a half ago. So short. He's so short. He said that he thought it was real or whatever. Going through this trial has made him realize that

people's instincts were right all along. This is deep state. And it's a synthetic event. Synthetic as hell. He can't stop. He literally can't. And I was going to ask you, you said that already now twice, and I want to circle back to that. I've watched some of this trial,

and I got the same feeling that he literally is out of control. I don't know that he, I get a sense that he is not strategically doing this, that he is completely out of his own control. I know that's just like bullshit armchair nonsense, but let's all play with it. Because it feels like

he's completely incapable of self-control at this point. This is working against his best interests. That gets back to your earlier question about that initial experience of being in the trial. When I first saw Alex come in

and start talking and all of that shit, it's like, you know, I've talked about this man as some villain or something of power for years. And then you watch him walk in and you're like, this is a sad, pathetic child who cannot control his outbursts. But he's also surrounded by a million, multi-million dollar business and a bunch of enablers who need him. The most enablers, yeah.

To have some strategy because, like, left to his own devices, he wouldn't be. Yeah. Like, he would be a where-are-they-now story. Is he Conspiracy Kanye?

No. You know what I mean? Kanye ironically wore a White Lives Matter shirt. I think Alex would 100% be like, White Lives Matter slash none of the other ones. And Jordan, you tell me that Kanye actually has a lot of good music in the past.

Whereas I don't know if Alex has created anything. The past. The past. It's been a while. And that last album he put out was garbage. Kanye's got some bangers, though, for sure. He's got some good stuff. But not anything sure. He's got some good stuff, but not anything. He's our generation's Michael Jackson.

He's one of the greatest artists ever to live. I think in terms of Alex being able to control himself, another factor you need to consider is he is a fucking huge drunk. We talk about this a bit over the course of our show. He's just smashed sometimes and like yeah yeah it's it's kind of funny sometimes but it's also kind of

sad sometimes to the point where listeners got annoyed with me because I kept saying people need to get him help yeah they were like stop caring so much about yeah yeah you were like he needs to get into some programs or something. I mean, at the end of the day, we're people. He's

a human. For a stretch of time, I was talking on the show quite a bit about, if anybody cares about him, stop him from himself. And the listeners got pretty annoyed by that. Just the other day, in the Daily Dot, I think

someone released a surveillance video of Alex just drinking bottles at work. It's the kind of thing that's like, yeah, we always knew that this was what was going on, but seeing a video was a little bit fucked up. God, you know what I want. That's part of the inability to control himself.

He's debaucherous to an extent. Or hedonistic. I don't know what the right word to be. To clarify, that's what I meant by my conspiracy Kanye

is that Kanye's not well and he's surrounded by people who capitalize on his unwellness and he's got an industry of money behind him

just like Alex does and he's got all these sycophants whose livelihood depend on the continuation of this unwell narrative. That's kind of what I meant by conspiracy Kanye. Yeah, I haven't studied Kanye enough to know if it's like a firm comparison.

But I think that Alex was just as bad before he was out of control, you know, like earlier in his career. Yeah, the things he was putting out to the world still sucks. He didn't release college graduation. He never had a good time. I'm not making that comparison for sure. He didn't do college graduation or whatever the album is. He did Jade Helm.

He did the Boston Garden. I forgot about Jade Helm. Holy shit, that's a blast from the past. Instead of Ten Full Hats, we need Jade Helms, I think. We do need Jade Helms. Jade Helms. Holy shit. That's a blast from the past. Instead of tinfoil hats, we need Jade Helms, I think. We do need Jade Helms. We need to get actual Jade Helms. We should wear Jade Helms on this show. That's expensive.

I see it is. It's a little pricey, but I have all this money that I was going to fucking spend on a desk that I'm not going to fucking use. I've been saving for a fucking InfoWars desk. Ridiculous. Wait, wait, wait. You thought we were going to fucking use. I've been saving for a fucking InfoWars desk. Wait, wait, wait. You thought we were going to pay money for that desk? You know, it is interesting that you say that he has handlers though,

because in that Channel 5 thing that we watched, there is a moment he is saying all this like hyperbole about how he killed those kids and he's the one who's killed all these kids. And he says it multiple times. I killed those kids. I killed that. I'm the one who killed them. And then he walks away and there's someone who they're disguising their voice and they're saying, hey man, you should knock that shit off. And he's like, no, I fucking killed the kids. He's like, I get it. It's you're supposed

to be funny, but please stop. And then a few minutes later, he essentially recants what he said because he was, cause he has somebody behind him. It was just like, that's going to get you in trouble. Please don't do that. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if they're full on

handlers or anything, but yeah, there are people who have more sense. Yeah. I would say people who have an ability to see context. And not just that, but I am,

first of all, I think that interview is a terrible idea and was a great advertisement for Alex. I think it's not as bad as some of the other ones. It is not as bad as some of the other ones, but I just think the existence of it is, is what it is just because, I mean,

like it's not just that he has handlers. It's that he has a mountain of people willing to excuse his behavior for whatever. Like one thing that people just, it wasn't played in the trial, but I feel like it should have been, is the clip of his interview with Alex Moyer after the...

Glenn Greenwald. Glenn Greenwald after the documentary, where he's like, I kind of said some of that Sandy Hook stuff while I was drunk. And it's like, that's fucking what? No. Get him out of here. He was saying like, you're telling me, what did I say? I don't know.

I had like a bottle of vodka. This is not an excuse. This makes us worse. It's infinitely worse. And you have people like fucking Glenn Greenwald just sitting there staring at him going like, yeah, that is funny that you were shit-faced when you did the thing you're going to pay hundreds of millions of dollars for.

And that led to the traumatization of these grieving people. When you abused the bereaved, it's alright because you were drunk. It's essentially talk radio drunk driving. It's almost...

It's like if Rush Limbaugh did a bunch of pills or something and went on the air. And then ruined discourse in America. It's like drugs are, you know. Oh my God. Amazing. Great. Amazing.

Guys, so people are going to find your, I know that we say this every time and I know you guys have a smart answer for it, but I'm going to say it anyway. If people were going to find your show, where would they look?

We have a smart answer. Do we have a smart answer? You guys do. What was our a smart answer? You guys do. What was our last smart answer? I used to talk about the internet sometimes and you're just like, I don't know. Oh, it's there.

Don't set us up for a bit. Let the magic happen. This is fucking natural. We're not professional people. You know how scared that makes me? This isn't a fucking late night show. I heard you had a car incident the other day. Can you tell me that story?

Is this Stellar's show? Is this Stellar's fucking show? At least you can hear us. What the fuck? You're going to be canceled real quick. You've got to wait until your show. Because of something you said. God damn it.

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so all right good day oh yeah So... Alright. Good day. Oh yeah. Well, don't you think we should maybe ask for more than a million dollars? A million dollars isn't exactly a lot of money these days. VirtuCon alone makes over nine billion billion a year. Really?

Mm-hmm. That's a lot. Okay, then. We hold the world ransom for... $100 billion. So, Cecil, big deal, big deal, big deal update. This is-

Tom, this couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Oh my God. These numbers. Oh my God. So this story comes from everywhere the news is. I threw the New York Times in the notes because that's just what I read every morning. Alex Jones, I love it so much.

$965 million is what his damages are in the Connecticut case. Here's... How many tanks do you have to sell to get to $900 million? We're going to need to sell a lot of Boomer Pills. I need a... You know what would be so kind of amazing, though? Is if all his dimwit fans GoFundMe'd up $900 million so that all those people are whole again.

All those people would be whole again, though. So here's the upside downside to that, right? The upside of that is, one, the settlement is so large, obviously there's no way that Alex Jones is ever going to pay $965 million to these families. So they will never see most of this money, no matter how any of this shakes out. No matter what happens, none of it.

They'll never see most of this money. They also will not see most of this money. Now, I mean, I'm sure there's going to be a lot of legal analysis. You can probably tune into Knowledge Fight, Opening Arguments, a lot of other shows that are sort of in our ecosystem that'll break this down legally and much more than I can,

but I know a little bit about judgments. And so when you get a judgment placed against you, it essentially leans you and it leans all of your property. It leans all of your assets. And those leans remain in effect for years and years and years. And so the families won't just get a big check for $150 million for this one and $200 million for this one.

It's not how it's going to work. There's just, you can't squeeze blood from his stones. You can only extract what the man has, right? Or what his free speech systems network, whatever, has. Some estimates are that he's worth $270 million, which is about a quarter of his total. Sure. Because he also has a tack on.

He owes $45 million from the Texas judgment. Yeah. And then he's got another one coming up. And there's another one that's going to be bad, too. Yeah, yeah. So he's already well over a billion dollars, which- It's a lot.

Fucker isn't worth a billion dollars. No. Yeah. So he's not going to come up with a billion dollars. Neither is Trump. But anyway, go ahead. Continue. You're just right.

Yeah, exactly, right? He's overestimated his value, right? Just like a lot of men. He's overestimated his value. It's a little a lot of men. He's overestimated his value. It's a little longer. No, it's not. No, it's not. No, it's not.

This is a solid set. I am a solid $200 million guy. Solid two mil. That's me. This is a solid... I have a nice car. Have you seen it? It's outside.

I have a fucking tank and a nice desk. Yeah. So he's in some serious shit. He's in some serious shit. But it would be, so let's say that they raised through GoFundMes and, you know,

buying boner pills and supplements of whatever. Let's say they paid out all $960 million. Here's the three things I think would happen. The families would get all that money, which would be great

because most of them have pledged to use that money for like not personal use also. A lot of them have pledged to use that money for like, not personal use also. A lot of them have pledged that if they receive, whatever they receive, they're going to put into trusts and funds

and fundraisers and charities. So, but what they do with it is theirs, right? There's no amount of money that can ever make this right. Tell you what, man, like when you have to

bury your kid in secret because of the shit that they're doing. No amount of money. No amount of money. You're right. Literally infinite money and you'd be like,

that's not enough. You're right. No amount of money. Also, a bunch of dumb fucking people would go broke. Then they'd lose of money. No amount of money. You're right. Literally infinite money and you'd be like, that's not enough. You're right. No, I'm not. Also, a bunch of dumb fucking people would go broke. Then they'd lose their money. I love that idea.

And I love that idea too. I love the idea that all these idiots are shelling out their fucking Bitcoins or whatever. Making it rain on fucking Alex Jones. And then even if he raised

all that money, he'd still be at fucking zero. Yeah, exactly. He'd still be at zero. So none of that would be profit. The downside of that is he'd continue be at fucking zero. Yeah, exactly. He'd still be at zero. So none of that would be profit. The downside of that is he'd continue to be. He'd continue to do the same things he's doing. And that is a huge downside.

I would love to see these families whole, but I think the reason why these judgments get made, and this is something we talked about a while back, which is stop him from doing the things he's been doing. This is a way to say, you cannot lie about people like this so maliciously. We are going to take away your ability to continue doing it, right?

I mean, essentially that's what you're doing. You're taking away his ability. Here's the thing. Alex Jones learned nothing, okay? And I want to play this for people so that they can see it. You know, Alex learned nothing. Alex learned zero from this.

And here's why. Now, the people who are watching this can see what's going to happen. But the people who are listening, you can hear some sounds, but I will try to tell you exactly. I'll try to narrate what is exactly happening. All right, to set the scene, Alex Jones is taking up a quarter of the screen on the,

what, our right side and he is, he is essentially watching a monitor which is above his head. So he's watching, he's looking up.

And he's got a fucking smile. I just want to say. He's smirking. He's smirking. He's smirking in a way that like if you, if you've ever seen Alex Jones and you've wanted to punch

the shit out, you want to punch him so bad right now. You want to punch him here. He's a smirking little shit. What a shit. And he's sitting in a room, in his room, watching this verdict come down live. All these people are currently in the courtroom.

So he's not there. His lawyer's there. He's not there. And then behind all the lawyers are all the people who are going to be awarded this money. And so that's the scene. And this is the sound. As to damages in this case, we award damages to each plaintiff

against Alex Jones and Free Speech Systems LLC as follows. He's smiling. So now he just- He's grinning. He just turned to the camera and he did like a cherubim sort of smile. That's sort of what I'm getting.

This sort of like, you know, that. He's got a Cheshire cat smile. Exactly. And he's kind of looking off to the side and so he's got this big,

goofy fucking smile on his face. Roman number one, compensatory damages, instructions, filling both numbers for each plaintiff. He's got his,

he's got his hand raised now and he looks like he's going to do like a fist pump when it gets, when the, when the when the judgment comes down. Then go to section two. Please enter your damage.

Damages assessments for each plaintiff on the lines below. To plaintiff Robbie Parker. A, defamation slash slander damages past and future, $60 million. Yeah! Okay. Yeah, he's pretending he's happy about this. And he just did the sort of like, like fist bump or fist pump in the air

and he said, yeah, when that came through. Yeah. Emotional distress damages past and future $60 million. So now he's making fun of the person. So what just happened was, is the guy who just got the damages leaned forward, clearly having an emotional moment right now.

And he put his hand, sort of steepled his hands in front of his mouth. Alex Jones immediately imitated him and did like a mocking version of what this man is doing right now. Total, fair, just, and reasonable damages to plaintiff Robert Parker and against Alex Jones

and FreeSkew Systems and Line A and Line B. Total $120 million. Yeah! Now he's double fist pumping. David Wheeler. A. Defamation slash standard damages past and future

like a third. B. Emotional distress damages. He claps like one of those cymbal monkeys. He does. He claps fingertip to fingertip. He claps like a... You know,

when I was a kid, I had two older brothers. Yeah. And I used to do things to annoy them. I used to do things specifically to annoy them, right? So, like, if they would mess up, I would clap. You know what I mean? Right, yeah, right.

It's just like when the- When the crowd goes wild. I remember you used to do that. I used to do that to my brothers all the time. And they would get so mad and they'd get so upset because you're a little shitty kid and you're trolling your brothers. Right.

This guy is 40, he's almost 50 years old, I think. Yeah, he's 46, right? Almost 50 years old. Yeah. This guy's a 50-year-old man almost and he is fucking,

he's a little kid. Yep. He's a bully who now got caught doing what he's doing, right? He's a bully, right? So he's a bully. He got caught bullying people and now he's doing, right? He's a bully, right? So he's a bully. He got caught bullying people

and now he's leaning into it. He's leaning into like, oh yeah, I'm happy I got this. Yeah, I'll do it again. I'm happy. You're a fucking liar. These people hopefully just ruined your life. And I hope it cannot happen to a worse person

than Alex Jones. A hundred percent. Because like throughout the whole course of this, what he has failed every time to see, even when he supposedly quote unquote apologized and all that stuff, what he failed to see was anything past Alex Jones. Yeah.

Alex Jones can't see. He's a narcissist, man. Like for regular people, you just have to imagine like, what if the most important person in your life was murdered? Yeah. And how would you feel? You don't have to be a kid. Yeah. Just like, what if the thing and the person that you loved most in the entire world, one day you just, you dropped them off at work or you dropped them off at school or they went out for a run and they were fucking murdered. And then

after that happened, your life was absolutely made worse and traumatized you were trolled you were publicly mocked you were doxxed i mean he doesn't at all attempt to put himself in the position of the aggrieved of the bereaved not at all can't understand at all because everything for alex jones is about alex jones every question you ask alex Jones about, he always brings it back every single time. There's no world in his mind that doesn't revolve exclusively around him, how it interacts with him, his personal feeling and interest.

He's the most, he's the least empathetic human being that I think history has produced. That's maybe a little hyperbole. I cannot believe, and this is, you know, and, and,

and, you know, like this is, this is of course, you know, we just had the knowledge fight guys on, right? They,

of course, deal with this every time they watch him, but I cannot believe that this guy had this many people who followed him and followed him to do these horrible things to these people. He's such a piece of shit. And when you watch him celebrate this, and this is not new. This is not something that just happened.

He didn't just turn into an asshole. He's been an asshole for decades. And you know what? All you people that have been following him for decades, shame on you. Shame on you. I wish that there was some way that they could extract some money from you too,

because you contributed to this throughout the years with downloads and with following him on different social medias and retweeting his stuff. Oh, but I don't buy his stuff. You know what? It doesn't matter. Yeah. You sharing anything he said

has helped contributed to this problem, this misinformation, this disinformation that he's been spreading since the beginning. You know, I have nothing but contempt for him and the people who follow him. Man, same thing. And I want to make this clear

because like you can't watch Alex Jones and not help Alex Jones, even if you never buy his boner pills and supplements and emergency rations. When you are a, when you're creating content like this, what you provide to advertisers, et cetera, is your download numbers. You say, this is the number of people that you will reach if you advertise on my show. If you're adding plus one to that, then you are adding into his

pool of people. He gets paid, right? Is it fractions of fractions because it's just you yeah man but it's you and the other ironic watcher and the other ironic watcher and the other we need to stop ironically watching monsters yeah like i like i met this place cecil where like we need like and i and i really do mean this like irony in the late 90 like, reached its zenith of usefulness. And since then, it has become this fucking troll cancer that is eating away at the fabric of, like, who we are as human beings. And I believe that. Because, like, you cannot ironically march with a Kekistan flag. You cannot ironically watch Alex Jones and Linus Pocket.

You cannot ironically do this shit anymore. The world has structurally changed. Yeah. I also don't believe you. Like I don't either. I just don't believe you. Right. Cut it out. Like,

I know that there's people out there that get duped all the time. I know they exist. I know they exist. Right. And I, and I, and there is some sympathy in me for people who just can't, they can't cope with this stuff and they can't figure it out.

And we failed them in an education system. I feel, I mean, I definitely, but there's different, but there's, but that's different. And you know, all these people who, who followed him and then they, and I think they knew better, you know, cause you know, that is, that is really, it's really just, it's a, it's a disgrace and it's awful that this happened to these people. And just watch some of the testimony to find out all the terrible shit that happened to these people. It's, it's, it's literally

unbelievable. I did. Do you watch it? Yeah. I watched a couple of maybe I like watch this too strong of a word. I put it on YouTube and I walked around doing other stuff. Right. And I watched maybe, or listen to maybe three hours total of all of this testimony between the two trials, but it's so bad. It's egregious. Like the more you learn about it, the worse and worse and worse it is. It's so egregious. And it's like, we, we need, we genuinely, we need to come to a place where we abandon the ethos of irony and embrace an ethos of genuineness of like empathy and like, like actual connection. I know that sounds cheesy as fuck, but what is the alternative? Alex Jones is the living embodiment of the alternative.

Alex Jones. I don't think that's an exaggeration. And, and, and, and I don't, and I'm so happy that our court system has made an example out of this. Because this is how we stop these people. This is how we shut these people up. Dominion is going to fucking put a strap on on, and they are going to fuck people raw. They are going to fuck every one of those people raw. I hope they don't settle. I genuinely, I hope Dominion is like, fuck settling.

Fuck it. Let's go to court. Bring your shit into the public. Let's bring my shit into the public. I want to see Tucker like, fuck settling. Fuck it. Let's go to court. Bring your shit into the public. Let's bring my shit into the public. I want to see Tucker Carlson up here. Fucking right, man. I want to see the people that he hurts get up here. He interviewed-

I want Laura Ingraham up here. I want Candace Owens up here. I want Tucker Carlson up here. Get him up there. Get him up. You're fucking hurting people. You know what? Get him up there.

Put him up there and fucking bleed him dry. It's the only answer left. It's the way to stop. The civil courts are the only answer left. It's the way to stop. The civil courts are the only answer left. We don't have any other avenue, but this works. This is going to work. A billion dollars, man.

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