Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 655: Battleground

Episode Date: November 14, 2022

Show Notes

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And there is no welcome mat. This is episode 655. 655, baby. Cognitive distance. And when you hear this, guys, the midterms will be over. The damage will... Some could argue, Tom,

the midterms are already over. Some may argue that the midterms are over before they began. I, Cecil, remain ever the... No, I've not been an optimist now for at least five years. It's been a while since you've been an optimist. You used to be. I used to be such an optimist, man. Six years. I feel like that's been bled the fuck out of me. Really, genuinely. You were on that machine from Princess Bride and you sucked the optimism right out of you it just fucking sucked it right out of you dude oh my god it's like if you eat nothing

but fucking cynicism berries for six years what are you supposed to do but you didn't just eat them you put them in the mortar and pestle you ground them down and then you like I'm fucking mail lining that shit you distilled them and then you posted it on Facebook.

Yeah, no. The thing is like one of the things one of the things that we're going to be doing tonight we're recording a little early this week. One of the things we're going to be doing tonight is we do covering the election

on a live stream. So we're going to be doing that a little later tonight. We're recording early this week. And so we know by the time you get this that you're going to be electioned out on Monday.

You're going to be electioned out. There's no reason. So we're going to try to cover stories that aren't the election. Neither of us know anything about the returns as it stands. I've been purposely avoiding opening the Times all day.

Yeah, so I don't know what the returns look like. I haven't looked at the news apps at all. I know there's several things on the ballot that will have been talked about to death in other shows. And we may,

when we come back, revisit some of the, you know, crazier races or something like that. But as it stands, this show's not going to be, it's not going to be politics free.

It's not going to be election. But it will be election free. Based today. Yeah. And to start the day off, to start our evening off, Cecil and I tried, for the first time in years, a little bit more Malort.

A little bit of Malort. We tried it tonight just to remember how much we disliked it. It is far more atrocious than I recall. I know we've talked about this before on the show. So went to the store today, bought some Malort, brought it over to the studio. We each poured a little bit. I was not even nervous about it.

It wasn't even a shot. It was like a quarter of a shot or a half a shot. Wow. We both did a shot and we were both like, wow, this is the night. This is what it's going to be today.

It just felt right. Something bitter and deeply unpleasant. It was a bitter pill to swallow. I think the next best thing would be to just have some of those cat piss salt-covered licorices. Yeah, right? Just put them in the bottom. Oh, like the fucking worm and tequila.

Put those fucking Scandinavian cat piss things. I don't actually do that or whatever. I don't care if you do. I don't care. You know what? I don't care if it's a real scorpion in the bottle of your bottom. I don't actually do that or whatever. I don't care if you do. I don't care. You know what? I don't care if it's a real scorpion in the bottle of your bottom. It doesn't matter.

You know what I care about though, Tom? What? I care that people donate to Modest Needs. Modest Needs? Right now, we are involved in a charity drive

and I want to say this. We have the first 100 people that they're going to be picked randomly, right? So there's 100 people that are going to get picked randomly for their roast. And then there's the top donors, which is 100 people. I'm telling you right now, chances are, with the numbers that we've gotten in, there's been a few donors.

The number of donating has been high. Yeah, we've raised a lot of money. We've not had a lot of donations. We haven't had a lot of donations. Nope. So my suggestion is your chances are probably going to be pretty good. You get in there. You get in there with your $50 donation. I think you're probably going to do pretty good for yourself.

This isn't like playing Powerball. No. This isn't like, you know, the chances of getting fucking struck by lightning while paragliding in a clown suit. You know what I mean? Exactly, right? Like, it's a pretty good fucking chance right now. So if you guys haven't already, grab some pennies, grab your credit card,

whatever it takes, head over to modestneeds.org, do some good. Let's do some good. There's a $100,000 match on the table. We absolutely need to hit every dollar in that $100,000 match. We have to meet it. We've got to do it, guys. You can't leave that money on the table. $100,000. We have to meet it. We've got to do it, guys. We can't leave that money on the table.

$100,000 is nothing to sneeze at, but you can suddenly turn that into $200,000 with literally no, I mean, you've done nothing except for donate $100,000. Like you did half the work. And you got all the credit. And that's the story of a lot of good people's lives. That's all I want to say.

That's actually the story of my, you looked at me a lot. I did. You looked right at me. I looked right at you to say. That's actually the story of my, you looked at me a lot. I did. You looked right at me. I looked right at you. Yeah. I didn't see you do those like eyes thing.

So if you want to be like Tom, you go to modestneeds.org and double your money right now. No, seriously, it's going to help people and people need help right now. And there's going to be, there's vulnerable communities

out there all the time that need help and Modest Needs targets that community and helps them. And so, please go to modestneeds.org, donate $50 or more.

You get a roast, send it to, y'all send that proof of that receipt and your roast selection to vulgarityforcharity at gmail.com. And then we're randomly selecting 100 after we select the top donors. So if you got a ton of money burning in your pocket, chances of you getting- Be a top donor burning in your pocket, chances of you getting-

Be a top donor. I will say, chances of you being a top donor, real good right now. Be a top donor. Real good. So go ahead and check it out. I mean, you won't be the toppest donor,

but you'll be a good top donor. You could be the tippy top. You'll be close. You could be the tippy. You don't know. Yeah, I do know. There's a lot of money. Someone donated a shit ton of money.

That's true. But you might be the second. You could be that meme of that guy shooting the champagne in his mouth and there's somebody really high up there. It's okay. We're all winners. And Modest Needs needs to win.

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more important things to do. So this story comes from the Daily Beast. Joe Rogan admits he lied about schools using litter boxes. And I actually, before we even get further than that, I want to say that that's actually more generous than what happened. Because he didn't actually admit to lying. Yeah. When Joe Rogan, what he did is he did that bullshit walk back your statement. Yeah.

Nonsense. Which is actually way less fucking honest than just admitting that you lied. Yeah. He's saying, he's not even saying like, I lied, I misinformed you. He's saying, I don't know that they actually did. Right.

So let me go ahead and read from this article. Joe Rogan has admitted he lied, not really, about letting furry children use litter boxes, walking back his claims from a month ago that have since been amplified by Republican Senate candidate Don Bolduc. In an October podcast, Rogan told guest Tulsi Gabbard,

Russian spy, Russia, they should just say told Russian spy, Tulsi Gabbard, okay, that his friend's wife taught at a school that, quote, had to install a litter box in the girls' room because there's a student that's a furry but now he's saying i don't think they actually did it attributing the whole situation to quote one wacky mother whom the school ignored so that's not the same thing as

saying i lied yeah what he's by saying like i don't think they did it he's basically saying well you know somebody asked him to do it he's still in the narrative. That's the thing about Joe Rogan is that he never abandons the narrative in search of the truth. When he fucking makes this nonsense up, he just kind of like wiggles his way around it. And this bullshit aw shucks, gee whiz, everyday bullshit guy that he is. I fucking hate Joe Rogan. I do too, Tom. And the worst part about this is, this is a man that makes millions of dollars,

has millions of subscribers, and needs to take that more seriously. Yeah. He needs to take, and here's the thing, there's people all across the country that tune into Joe Rogan every single, however often he podcasts, day, every day, whatever. They listen to him. Too whatever. They listen to him.

Too often. They listen to him. And he records himself talking for two hours. Now, don't get me wrong. If you make a mistake about things like Brazilian jiu-jitsu or whatever he's talking about, you know, some of these low-stakes things, it doesn't matter, right?

It doesn't matter when you're a regular guy talking about Brazilian jiu-jitsu versus wrestling or something. That doesn't matter, right? It doesn't matter when you're a regular guy talking about Brazilian jiu-jitsu versus wrestling or something. That doesn't matter. And most of it's opinion anyway. But when he starts getting into things that can affect elections, when he starts getting into things

that can affect public health, he needs to hire people that fact check what he has to say. He can't just put this out into the world. You're a million dollar organization. You're spread. You have more reach than most news stations nowadays. You can't just let that go out into the ether and be like, well, I'm just a regular dude, man. I'm just a regular, you're not a regular guy. You have like, you're getting paid way more than pretty much any broadcaster in media today. Yeah. I don't understand the stupidity, just genuinely,

the abject fucking stupidity of people who believe he's an everyman. Right. Nobody who is a fucking three-figure millionaire is a fucking everyman. He's a fucking millionaire. You're listening to another fucking coddled motherfucking millionaire. Just because the guy, like, knows how to throw hands doesn't mean shit about whether or not he's an everyday aw shucks blue collar joe like you he's not he's a fucking multi multi

multi-millionaire yeah and when he says shit like my friend's wife taught at a school what he's saying first of all you should always look askance always look askance at fucking three steps to remove Kevin Bacon stories, right? I had a buddy once who knew a guy that one time worked with someone that read a book about— Get the fuck out of here. Unless it ends in a punchline, disregard it. It's nonsense. Right? Because it could be a funny joke or a funny story.

But other than that, if you're talking about fucking something factual, holy shit, what happened in your life that makes you believe that? Also, I want to point out the kind of possible subtle misogyny in that sentence, right? So I was just thinking, just as I was thinking about this right now, Cecil, if Sarah told me something and I were relaying something Sarah told me, I would never say my friend's wife. I would say my friend. Yeah. Right? Because Sarah's my friend. I've never say my friend's wife. I would say my friend. Yeah. Right? Because Sarah's my friend. I've known her for 25 fucking years.

Right. She is not somebody who is. You were before you knew me. Right. Yeah, that's right. I had a class with her. So like, I would not relay that story like

necessarily through the veil of you. But I'm just pointing that piece out. Sure, yeah, yeah. But, you know, even if this were true, in order for this to be true, you couldn't get this wrong. That's why you know he's lying, right? So play it out again. If it was Sarah who told me that story, Sarah either told me that story or she didn't tell me that story. That's it. It's binary. There's no way to come back on this later and say, oh, well, you know, maybe it didn't happen. Well, nobody told you that story then, man. Yeah. You

literally invented that story. You invented it. You created it out of whole fucking cloth. Yeah. And it's affecting people. And the other thing too is there's just this weird fucking judgy thing that people do where they're just like talking about, you know, they're talking out of the side of their mouth about, oh, these furries or whatever, right? It's like this hyper weird thing that we do to be like, well, they dress in like weird outfits and stuff. And you're like, dude, people get off on all kinds of things.

And that's not, first off, it's not even to say that the furry community is necessarily sexualized because we made that mistake a long time ago when we presumed that they were that it was a sexual

fetish thing and it's not necessarily a fetish thing at all it might not be for some people it is for other people it's not literally at all

and and it's just a thing that they it's like a fandom that they do right it's like cosplay fandom that they do. Right. It's like cosplay. Like you're not fucking the guy from Yu-Gi-Oh either.

Right. You're just like, you're dressed like him at a con or something. Right. But there's this weird thing, this judgy thing that we do, that humans do. Yeah.

Where they look down their nose at some other person as like the thing that you are doing, I'm going to make it, I'm going to turn it into a freak show is what I'm going are doing, I'm going to make it, I'm going to turn it into a freak show is what I'm going to do. I'm going to belittle you so much that I'm going to turn what you like into a freak show. And, you know, as a guy who's liked nerdier things

throughout my life, that's happened to me so many times where people like make fun of you because you like certain things. You live your life in a way that like you get made fun of a lot. And like some people can handle that damage and other people can't handle it. But these people are like this group of people right now,

when they're talking about this, they're damaging all these people who just want to have fun and enjoy a thing. And they're making it seem like an absolute freak show. And the reason why they can do it is because their uptight base is that puritanical, Christian, right, crazy base that is literally fueled by judging other people. Well, and the other thing that the important, two important points to note here, too, is one, they're lying about the things. So it's not even true. It's not even true. So it's not even just that they're coming after people who are, who have an interest in something that is like nerdy and they're being

judgmental. They're hyperbolically exaggerating that interest in, in ways that are untrue to make it even more absurd so that they're like more judgy base gets fucking more worked up about it. Because what they don't actually have is a target without lies. Right. What they don't actually have is something to genuinely object to if they don't lie about it. Because if you had something to object to, you wouldn't have to lie about it.

Yeah. So that's it. And then also they're coming after kids. Yeah. Right. Exactly. They're not coming after grownups. They're not coming after like Tom and like how he likes writing poetry. And isn't that fucking whatever, you know, like

they're not coming after a grownup. They're coming after fucking kids. And then they do it in this way that allows them to sort of swoop in as, so they create a false narrative and then they use kids as both the subject and object of that narrative. Absolutely. Yeah. And then they use kids as both the subject and object of that narrative. Absolutely, yeah. And then that allows them to swoop in and save these kids from themselves

and from the sort of groomers. It's like, there's this entire, like, self-referential or a Boris-like vicious cycle narrative here. And none of it is honest. And none of it is true.

And Joe Rogan reaches out and touches like a hundred million people. Yeah. Yeah, man. And tells them untruths that he made up himself, guys. He made it up. He didn't just read something funny. His story is about his friend's wife and it never happened. Yeah. So this isn't something that like he read and got wrong. Keep that in mind. This is not like, this isn't, I read and didn't vet. He made it up. Yeah. He a hundred percent made it up. And he, there's a pit, there's a, right now there's a, there's a commercial in the, in Illinois that's been playing over and over and over again. And that commercial is Joe Rogan reading on his show

all the people that would be let out if this bail thing goes through. So he's talking about all the different types of crimes that will be not subject to bail anymore. Right. But what he doesn't mention is that those crimes are still subject to the judge saying you don't you're not going anywhere that's a dangerous thing they ignore judicial discretion

100 and he's just like no bail for uh aggravated assault no bail for this no bail for that and he reads all these different things off when in fact there's going to be almost everybody's going to be fucking they're going to be fucking taking like they're going to be held they're going to be held without bail yeah waiting for trial and it's going to speed up the trial because people you know you put you put a white guy back there right suddenly all the stuff that they're doing to all the people of color all across the country delaying their fucking day that shit ain't gonna fly if you're a fucking white guy man they're gonna have to speed that thing up you're gonna have to speed it up and they don't want to see that they want to see people stuck in this system forever they don't want to fucking see that 100 and he's fucking he's playing

right into the right wing narratives and they love him they love him because he's he is exactly what trump what said when he raised his hands out to the side and said i love the uneducated he's talking about joe he's exactly talking about joe rogan joe and like be very very clear too joe rogan does this for the paycheck oh yeah he's not doing it for the lols no he's not doing it because of he's got some principle he doesn't have any principles he's doing it because he gets paid yeah that's why he's a giant tool of the right. He's a tool of the right because the right writes his paychecks. That's the only thing. The guy's a fucking hundred million dollars Spotify

right wing shill. That's what he's become. And if you don't believe that, look at all the talking points the right right is stealing from him right now. I'm the Mujahideen and I'm making a scene. Now you's gonna feel what the boom boom means. It's like Tupac said, and I'm making a scene. Now you's gonna feel what the boom boom means. It's like Tupac said, when I die, I am not dead.

We are the martyrs. You're just smashed tomatoes. And then I walk back. Oh, what now? Come on. What? What? Just because I'm Muslim, he thought it was real.

Holy shit, Cecil. This story from Gizmodo. Homeland Security admits it tried to manufacture fake terrorists for Trump. So this story harkens back to the anti-racism and police brutality protests through the summer of 2020. And if you guys recall that, the way that was like handled by the feds when they would swoop in and fucking unmarked vans and shit and just like steal, like fucking disappear people and fucking jail reporters and basically like violate every possible constitutional and civil right that anybody has ever had and loved. If you remember that part. Kidnap those people off the street. Straight fucking yoinked them. You're just walking down the street and they would just kidnap people. And then they tried to create a narrative that said that this was all a planned attack

on our government from Antifa. Yep. They tried to invent an Antifa that doesn't really exist. They tried to create a narrative that all these cells were connected and they were out doing all this nefarious shit. And it was really, you know, there was damage. Absolutely, there was damage. But there was damage because of the unrest of systemic racism for X amount of years, right? There's damage because the United States has never once even bothered

to even put a Band-Aid on something like that. In fact, they've gone overboard with trying to show how in power they are and trying to push back on every single bit of reform that has come forward. All those police unions throughout the years. I mean, I don't know if you remember, do you remember that guy who's standing there?

He's one of the guys from the police union. And there's a great video that someone has spliced of him talking and the people, they're beating the shit out of people in the street. And he's basically like, you need to respect us. You gotta, you remember this guy? I do, I do. He's like, you gotta respect,

we put our badge every day. You got to respect us. And he's like this, he's like a hundred percent of mob boss, right? Like he's a hundred percent of mob boss. And, and that's been, that's been the police in this country for as long as our lifetimes have been. And as long as our parents' lifetimes have been. So the idea that, you know, like you, you create this pressurized situation and shit explodes, you should not be surprised. But then to go out of your way and to try to direct your fucking homeland security to create a villain out of this that you can then go attack and point to the left and say, look at how bad all of those people are. That's fucking terrifying, man. It is such an egregious abuse of power.

Rather than to be led by the facts, rather than to say, all right, there is this event and it's occurring and what's causing it and who are the actors and what is motivating them, that is something where you'd say, okay, I want to understand the situation better. And that way we can stem the fire where it begins, right at the base. Instead, it's like, all right, well, I want this to be Antifa. Yeah. I want this to be Antifa. And it's not. Find a way to make it Antifa. Make it Antifa. Go out and find, because he needed a boogie.

But Trump needed what Trump needed. And thank God he did not get, he didn't get his 9-11 moment. If Trump had gotten his 9-11 moment, George W. Bush was a fucking train wreck disaster of a president. He was horrible. He was just by all objective measures, terrible. 9-11 happened and he was worshipped as the leader in charge during a moment of crisis. The nation rallies around a leader at a moment where they can identify a clear and present villain.

And I think Trump very astutely recognized that if he had a clear and present villain, because think about the number of villains he's tried to sell. He tried to sell, what was it, MS-13? Yeah. When he first started, it was immigrants immigrants and then specifically immigrants gang members. Right, but he very specifically named a specific Salvadoran gang, MS-13, and tried to paint this picture of this very specific,

I think he kept trying to create a very specific like penguin to his Batman in order for all of the citizens to rally around the same way that he saw everybody rally around W. W didn't deserve that second shot at the presidency at all. He only got it because after 9-11,

everybody rallied around their leader. The country was in a disastrous state when he left. A disastrous state. He did a terrible job. People forget how bad Republicans are at governments. They forget.

They're horrible. They think, oh, it can't get any worse. And then a Republican gets in here like, what the fuck were we thinking? Yep. Yeah, and that's happened multiple times. This is such an,

it's also like, like, you know, when we talk about the amount of money that you're wasting when you do something like this. Oh, my God. Like, think of how much money you had to pay to mobilize these people, to get them to where you need them to be, and then to try to create this narrative through their actions. Because this is not something that's like some sort of dossier in the background, hidden somewhere in some top secret.

This is action on U.S. soil to attack U.S. citizens. This is what the fuck? This is what the fuck level. It is. And the idea that Trump was involved in this and then also the fucking, the January 6th, what he wanted to do with January 6th. It's, I can't believe that that guy's going to have another shot at possibly running.

And, you know, watch this space because they're saying now that right after the midterms is when he's going to announce. Yeah. You know, this, this feels exactly, so sticking Homeland Security on people in order to create this narrative that was never true feels like go find me 11,725 votes. It really is, man. That's his whole presidency. Right. His whole presidency.

Go find me evidence. So think about all the leads that are nothing that get chased down, all the time and energy spent by Homeland Security doing literally nothing of value. Nothing at all. It's finding phantom votes. It's finding boogeymen in closets that aren't even there. It's all, it's looking under beds for fucking monsters where there be no fucking monsters.

Yeah. And like, we're just lucky. I think we're just so lucky for so many reasons that there wasn't another monster that we weren't looking for that attacked at the right time or the wrong time. I don't think he'd been good at it though. Like I really feel like he would have fucked it up

because he was always trying to find, like you say, like he would have the answer and he would tell people, find me the way to get to that answer. You know what I mean? Like find me that avenue. But he had it laid in his lap with the pandemic and he fucked it up.

He did. He fucked it up so bad. That could have been his 9-11. 100% the pandemic could have been it. It could have been. You're exactly right. And if he'd have been, even if he would have just had a competent secretary of state or something at the time, he could have feasibly turned that into his 9-11 moment. I could unite the people. He could have lied for six months, Tom, about how he was trying to bring America together. And we was just trying to get these vaccines out. And I just want to try to save lives. And all he had to do was just not make it about himself for four, five months. I mean, not even, we're not even talking like a whole year. No, you're, you couldn't like a whole year. No, you couldn't be more right.

Five months. You couldn't be more right. He could have won way more votes when it came into the midterms or the election. You could not be, yeah, he got handed, this is a fucked up thing to say, but you guys all understand, politically, the pandemic should have been

the greatest gift he could have received. Sure, he could have. It would have been his ticket, right? He had his ticket in his hand. The pandemic is a way to show people that you are that leader that can handle this problem. And this problem is not going away

after election day. It's not that it's just going to go away, but think about how he talked about it. Think about how many times he talked about himself at those press conferences. Constantly, always, only himself. I'm sure he had smart people behind him

because those daily press conferences would have been a really good boon for him. Yep. sure he had smart people behind him because those daily press conferences would have been a really good boon for him. Yep. And he could have really, but do you remember after like the third day people stopped watching him?

Oh yeah. I know I did. He just was all over the place and he's talking about, you know, talking about himself all the time. And talking about his enemies

and how aggrieved he is and all this crazy shit. He could have, he could have easily turned that around. I mean, if he would have had anybody competent in his cabinet, he could have easily turned that around. I mean, if he would have had anybody competent

in his cabinet, he could have turned it. Well, I take that back. Because he's surrounded himself with yes men for so long. I actually don't think he can find someone competent to be in his cabinet. No, because if you're competent, he'll fire you. He'll fire you. He'll fire you.

He got rid of first year, anybody who would have been able to handle that pandemic in the right way. First year. You're 100% right. Yeah, yeah. He filled his fucking house full of sycophants. He really did.

You know what this is? It's a snowball. And that's just from outside here. So it's very, very cold out. Very unseasonal. So here, Mr. President, catch this. Mm-hmm. This story

comes from Vice News. How Koch Industries Is it Koch or Koch? Koch. I think it's Koch. Is it Koch? It's C-O-C-H, so people will correct us. So how Koch Industries' fake scientists and Rush Limbaugh invented climate denial. This is a great article.

It's a longer form article, but it really describes the way that climate denial was not some grassroots conversation among scientists and disbelievers. That this was absolutely an intentional propaganda campaign by people who work hand in glove with industry in order to manipulate public opinion to continue to fund industry. They made a conference to try to get all these people together, an industry conference to try to get this doubt and these people recognize the amount of money that they could make in that industry because this guy donated $20 million to the cause to start it out. I mean, he bankrolled the initial push and people

realized how much money could be made in that. Think if you're the dissenter, you're the dissenting voice. You're that one dissenting voice. We do this weird thing where we always pretend that there's two sides to everything. And those two sides are equal. They're an equal side and they get equal time. And this is not an equal, if you were to do this for real, what you would do is you would have a hundred scientists and you would say, okay, let's get a hundred scientists. They all get 10 minutes and we have the one scientist who is against it and the 99 scientists who are all going to read the same thing over and over and over again because it's all settled science. Yeah. I was thinking that this might actually be the first great disinformation campaign of the modern era. Yeah, yeah, sure. I really think like this is-

Sure. This is like this moment of real raw intentionality to mislead the public- Yeah. In order to sow the seeds of doubt and create a political wedge issue. Yeah, for sure. This was like,

it was like the Republicans looked at this and said, we can seize upon this as another abortion, as another political wedge issue. We can say, how are we going to reach the blue collar workers in the coal mines in West Virginia who have always been Democrat? How are we going to reach those guys? Well, we'll make this about energy. If we turn energy into a wedge issue, then we can take these people. And I think they were wildly successful, wildly successful in what will turn out to be one of the greatest calamities of all history. It could be the greatest tragedy of humankind. It could be. It could be. It could

be our extinction event. Right. I mean, it could be our extinction event. This is our, this is our, this could be our last gasp. If you look at, you know, the way people are talking now about, this is not a thing we're talking about future times. Now we're talking about now we're talking about right now. Yep. Things need to stop.

Like right now, things need to change right now. This isn't a 2030 plan. This is a 2022 plan and it needs to happen right now. And so we're in, we're in situations now where these things are escalating at faster speeds than the scientists even guessed. They're escalating way faster. You're right. It could be the worst thing that ever happened to us. And it's money. It's literally

money that has fueled this forever. And the wedge issues, you're right, the wedge issues all across the board, they've been trying to get these wedge issues so that they can get into the minds of the voters and make them feel something emotional about this particular race. And this is one of those things you start looking at possibly removing their livelihood.

Uh-oh, big deal. And they can get so many people against them, even though there's a chance that they might never, or they could go into something else that's renewable, but they don't ever talk about any possibilities. It's never any possibilities. Only what's bad is going to happen to you. I have people that I know that are,

right now, they're climate deniers, essentially climate deniers. But a long time ago, when that movie that Gore put out, An Inconvenient Truth. An Inconvenient Truth. When he put that out, they watched that movie

and they were 100% convinced. 100% convinced. They thought for sure climate is changing. They're absolutely changing. And for a couple years, they were very conscious about that. And they've been, they're the Republicans in my life.

So they're Republicans, I know. And they changed their mind on this really hardcore and over the years. And now they think it's fake. Now they've been told enough times by the media sources now they think it's fake now that they've been told enough times by the media sources they believe right that it's fake that it's not real and they just believe it they just believe it without you know even though the only person telling it to you is some guy in a suit that's paid to tell it to you yes and one scientist who's making a shit ton of money off

these industries versus every other scientist versus every other scientist. You would never, you would never do this with your car. You would never take it to three different places. And then the one place is like, no man, your car's fine. And the other two are like, no man, your fucking engine is about ready to blow. You would immediately be like, you know what? Two of them say that this is our three of them or four of them or five. When I say two of them, what I really mean to say is a hundred of them, you know, be like, you know what? Two of them say that this is, or three of them or four of them or five of them. Because when I say two of them, what I really mean to say is a hundred of them, you know, are saying this is,

there's something seriously wrong. Your gasket's ready to go. And the one guy's like, no, man, your car's fine. Just go. You got it. No, I don't need to charge anything. It's so funny because we both,

as humans, I think we both don't do this all the time in other ways. And then we do this constantly in ways that, and so it's almost like, to use the car example, it'd be like looking on Yelp for reviews and all the reviews are good reviews for this business. And there's one outlier and being like,

I'm going to believe that outlier. That lone wolf is telling the truth. That guy's the whistleblower about ABC restaurant. We don't do that in our regular lives. We don't do that. But the only exception is when we do do this, when we all want the conclusion to be something. So I'll give you another example.

Confirmation bias. Confirmation bias. So this is a well-studied phenomenon. People that buy cars continue to read reviews about the car they bought after they buy the car. Oh, interesting. And they read reviews specifically to seek out positive reviews. Huh. To validate their purchase, to make themselves feel better about it.

So if you're somebody who is invested in a certain way of life, what are you going to read? You're going to read the climate denier shit. And like none of this is real science. None of this is genuine or honest. None of that. All of it is disinformation invented by rich people to get more rich. And to stay rich forever. Yeah.

And like it's not like the fucking Koch brothers were ever going to be not rich no matter what happened so think about the level of evil that's involved there fucking a man right yeah no kidding even if if you're the coke brothers and you've got however much money and then all of your fucking money gets wiped out of the fuck and it doesn't get we even work like this but let's say a hundred percent of your of your uh money and energy got out, but you're still fucking rich. You're still a multi... You're still rich. These motherfuckers are killing us and ruining the planet

and doing this damage not even so they can stay rich, so they can stay excessively rich. What do you think it takes to change people's mind about climate? Do you think that it has to get to the point where it's really, really dire, where the sea comes up two feet

and starts, you know, where, you know, because we're already in a place where we're seeing massive changes in weather. We're already seeing huge, you know, giant icebergs floating into the middle of the ocean and melting. We're seeing, you know, polar ice caps disappear. We're seeing migration of animals be all wonky and shit.

So what has to happen? Is there anything? Is there a, okay. I think it, but I think it's extreme. I think when you go to turn on the tap and water doesn't come out. Yeah. I think when you can't take a shower

just because you want to take a shower. I think when you're rationing your fucking water. Yeah. I think when you can't take a shower just because you want to take a shower, I think when you're rationing your fucking water, when you're walking around thirsty, then people will get it and it will be too late. Right. Well, it's going to have to be too late because right now you look at some of those reservoirs like Lake Mead and things like that. They're gone. They're almost gone. They're down so, so low. I mean, look at Salt Lake. Salt Lake City is a great example of why I think people are shit and we're not going to fix this problem. Salt Lake City is shrunk

by two-thirds of its original size. Two-thirds of Salt Lake, of the Salt Lake, not Salt Lake City, two-thirds of the Great Salt Lake is gone. All the roads are like a miniature. Everybody's driving around in half-sized cars. No, like two-thirds of the Great Salt Lake is now gone. And what feeds the Great Salt Lake is snow runoff.

So snow from the mountains, it melts in the spring, it runs off, it feeds into the lake. Two-thirds of that lake is now gone. And they continue to build at a frenzied pace in Salt Lake, even though those same people will acknowledge that, yeah, this lake is running dry and we don't know what's going to happen. And when it runs dry, it will kick up sandstorms of toxic metals. So the bottom of the Salt Lake is full of antimony and copper and arsenic. of antimony and copper and arsenic. And when that salt bed dries out,

then the winds will whip across it and there will be great big sandstorms full of these toxic heavy metals. And it will be- It's like Mad Max. It's going to be Mad Max style. And they know it. They know it. They know it.

They're still building. And they're still building. I will point out that they did pray about it though, Tom. They did. You're right. Now I feel stupid. I didn't want to bring it up and make you feel silly're still building. And they're still building. I will point out that they did pray about it though, Tom. They did. You're right. Now I feel stupid. I didn't want to bring it up and make you feel silly. So when I said they did nothing, I forgot about that.

I did want to mention with my very, very easy sarcasm that they did pray about it. They did. They prayed. That's what you got to do just to make it today. That fucking guy. That guy just like, everybody, I don't care what fucking faith you are, join hands with every fucking believer out there and just fucking,

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So the manosphere, something we just kind of learned had a name. A couple of weeks, maybe a couple of months ago. Months ago, yeah. Yeah. And so there's a huge number of these sort of toxic male influencers. Yeah, yeah. And they've grown in popularity. There's a Samuels guy

who I didn't know about until I read this article. Yeah. There's Andrew Tate who I had heard about and listened to a few of his things on YouTube. Were they great or super great?

Holy shit, Cecil. Have you heard the guy? Well, I know he's been canceled from a ton of places. Canceled everywhere. But he can still come on other people's shows. But yeah, he can guy? Well, I know he's been canceled from a ton of places. Canceled everywhere. Canceled from a ton of places. But he can still come on other people's shows. But yeah, he can go on.

But I know all of his revenue stuff, and he was making a lot of money because he had tons of people who were following him. The Manosphere is big. And the last time we posted something for the Manosphere, we had a bunch of people come in and comment and make comments about us. And I want to address those people because I know

you're going to show up the moment this gets posted. You're going to show up and you're going to talk about Tom and I. And you're going to say some things that I know for sure you probably didn't think through. And I want to talk, I just want to, I just want to, I want to bring them up before you type them out. So before you waste your energy, just, just give me a second. You're going to come here and you're going to talk about sort of Tom and I's level of testosterone. And you're going to bring it up and you're going to say, hey, these low T guys.

I just want to say, I don't spend my time on the comment section of YouTube wondering how much testosterone comes out of another guy's balls, okay? That's not something I do. That's not something I obsess over. So I just want you to look inward. Just for a's not something I do. That's not something I obsess over. So I just want you to look inward, just for a second, just look inward and just consider your weird ranking system for fellas. And just maybe just look inward for a half a second. You know, you're an alpha, you're a sigma. To me, you're a ligma. Ligma balls. Okay. Ligma balls. Tom, go ahead.

This Manosphere stuff is the world's most pathetic gathering, right? It genuinely is. This is a bunch of misanthropic losers who gather together online. They have no social interaction. They have no social spaces that mean anything to them. They are absolutely bereft of meaningful, joyous, personal, and interpersonal contact. Yeah. They're garbage trolls that fucking crawl from their basement over their fucking computer

to fucking jerk off 13 times a day and then watch people tell them how fucking alpha they are. That's the manosphere. And it is, these people probably could do very well in the world if they weren't tuned up by these awful human beings

telling them that they deserve this sort of life and that they're the alpha and teaching them how to be an alpha. I don't even know what the fuck that means. Because it means nothing. Because it means nothing. It's invented.

What it is, it's a way to get those idiots to give you money. That's what it is. It's a fucking con, man. And they've been conning you people for so fucking long. And you just like, you just believe it. Just out of the word, believe it. And there's even groups out there where they started these groups where they're

trying, these people are like, we found out about in a book we read recently, there's these groups out there where they've been conned so bad from the manosphere that they've started like quasi anti-manosphere groups because they've been conned so bad and out of so much money by these dudes who don't fucking care about you and want to have some sort of weird ranking system of dudes and want to put other people down and talk about how bad other people are and otherize a bunch of other people. And they, these guys wind up in these big, they wind up in these support, essentially support groups because they fucking wasted all their money. Yeah, all this is

support group is the right thing except for that this is essentially therapy for people that need therapy that aren't getting it. They're getting therapy from unlicensed hucksters instead of from... So one thing I want to acknowledge is the article actually does a good job of pointing out

and I think it's honestly true is that there is a need. Socially there are people out there who are hurting. And some of them are men. Absolutely. And they are hurting, and they are lonely, and they are socially awkward, and they are unable to connect with their fellow people. They're unable to make meaningful connections with women. They don't know how to be in the world. And so what these guys do is they don't label it something femmy like therapy, right? They come along and they preach this gospel that women are boogeymen and here's how we manipulate them. And here's why you, you fucking basement dwelling loser are actually not a basement dwelling loser. You are some kind of both alpha and victim at the same

time. The story only plays if you are both naturally the alpha, but also victim and subject to the whims of a group that somehow you see as less powerful than you. These people look at women, right? It doesn't make any sense. I don't even know how you get there. Because the amount of fucking. The internal logic doesn't work. It can't work. It's nonsense. What they're doing is getting bad therapy from con men who are

there to take your fucking money. Take your dollar. In order to make you feel better. Take your dollar. But it doesn't actually make. The thing is that therapy is not something that should make you feel better. If therapy is something that should make you feel better. If therapy is something that should make you be better, that is what therapy is actually going for. Growth is hard.

Right. Growth hurts, man. Growing as a person isn't easy. It's not good. It's not easy. It doesn't feel nice. It's not somebody being nice to you the whole time. No.

It's growing is hard, man. So they don't give any of those hard messages. They don't actually connect with people in ways that say, hey, you know what? If you're having a hard time, maybe it's you and you should change. And here are things you can do that are going to take a long time and are going to hurt and are going to require you to change in order for people to say you're worth spending time with. They don't do any of that. Instead, they otherize people. They put them into categories. They teach these basic

manipulation techniques. They tell you that you are both a victim and naturally superior, which like, you can't square that circle. You can't square it. And it turns people into complete shit. It turns people into total shit. And these folks have followings, man, huge followings. people into total. And these, these folks have followings, man, huge followings. Absolutely. Huge followings. And, and it's this group of people, they're stuck in this, they're stuck in this sort of like rerun where just their, their whole life is just constant. And they're, and they're constantly getting this reinforcement from these people, but their life never changes. Right. Right. So they constantly get this advice and this review, but it's never going to change if you don't treat other people as and this review, but it's never going to change

if you don't treat other people as people. Right. Like you're never going to, it's never going to change for you, man. I got, you know, hot take here, treat other human beings as humans. Yep. You know, suddenly your life changes.

And even if it works for some people and it won't work for most, but even if it works for some people to create meaningless short-term gains. And what I mean by that is like, maybe you're successful in picking up a woman from the bar and having like a one-night stand or something with her. That is the same thing. I learned this when I was in sales. There are people that can make a sale and then two days later, the customer returns it, right? They don't want it. They feel like somebody sold them. You lose that sale.

And then there are people that make a sale and earn a customer forever. If you go into any kind of an approach with another human being without the desire to help them, without the desire to see what they want and what they need and to be of service to them, if you do that, you're successful in all kinds of parts of your life, right? Because it naturally draws people to you because you're listening, because you're connecting with people on a real level, because you're reaching out and saying, hey, I'm not here to sell you a bottle of fucking Malort. I'm here to sell you, you know, I would never buy a bottle of Malort, man. But you know what I mean man it's the difference between like trying to capitalize

on somebody and sell them something once and trying to earn like trying to earn something through trust and to listen to these people who want to turn

human beings into objects absolutely they're terrible people they're garbage they're trash and they're doing it because they think it's going to sell to you

and they think you're going to buy it because they think you're stupid yeah like that's the thing they think you're stupid the final equation is they think you're going to buy it. Because they think you're stupid. Yeah. Like that's the thing. The final equation is they think you're stupid. Right. Yeah. All right. So I want to read this story. It's one of these stories from, of some of the men who've sort of fallen into the toxicity of the manosphere and how it's changed them. My father's gone from a man who

minored in women's studies in college, who was kind and in touch with emotions, who treated all What? Yeah, and I just want to pause there. That has to suck to feel rage all the time. Yeah. Like, you cannot be a healthy person and feel violently rageful all the time that is not that cannot be a a joyous space to live your life yeah that guy is already losing right no matter what you think of the manosphere that guy he's losing he is unhappy that is not a happy space used to work out downtown in a in group, like one of those group workouts type things.

And there was this effeminate guy who I used to work out with all the time. He was better looking than me. He had a better body than me. He lifted more than me. He was nicer than me. He had better hair than me.

Sure. All of those things were true. Right. Every one of those things is true. And it's like, part of me wonders, are you just jealous? Like, are you just fucking jealous of that?

I don't know what, what is wrong? Like what's, what's the problem? Right. Yeah. I, it,

why are you so threatened by somebody else? What could that person do to you? Right. I, I don't even like, there's people in my life that have done really bad things to me. And I don't think that about. Right.

People I know that I don't like that. I'm like, you did some really shitty stuff to me and I don't feel that about people I know that I don't like, that I'm like, you did some really shitty stuff to me and I don't feel this kind of rage towards you. Murderous rage? Like, what? I mean, I get it if you saw the guy driving. I understand that. But the idea that somebody, that the way somebody expresses like how masculine or feminine they

are is a trigger for you. Yeah. Is really a commentary on how insecure you feel about your own masculinity. That's exactly it. Yeah. That's it. It's the same thing when we get the comments about us, like how,

how unmanly we are. And you're just like, you're like, you're the one grading manliness. Right. Like you're the one who's so desperate. You're grading manliness. You're judging some weird masculinity contest that nobody is having.

Because it's you that's insecure. It's you that's insecure about all this. I have never worried about my masculinity. Never in a moment in my life have I worried about how much of a man I was to another man. Right. Never once in my life has that happened.

It was right around 2016 when it sort of began. That's when he started slipping. He got divorced from my mother in 18 and then got bad in early 2020 when the pandemic hit. It's been incredibly damaging for my queer younger brother who lives with him.

See, that's what it is. That's what it is, though. He's upset about this particular thing in his life. And it makes him raging mad. And that's why he's raging mad against other just random people. Because again, it's externalized.

Yeah, he's just, and again, what could fix this? Therapy. Yeah. Therapy could 100% fix this. Guy goes in, I get fucking,

I'm so mad at my son because he's gay and it makes me crazy. And then they go, well, let's pick that apart. Why? And then they suddenly have a deep, hard conversation

about yourself and about your history and about your history and about your past and about all the things that make you super mad. And then fucking you, maybe you get better from it. Maybe you reflect for two minutes. It literally can be fixed with fucking therapy. Yeah. And you only have two options, right? So you can either live in a world where nobody is effeminate. That's not going to happen. Or change yourself. Or you got two options, man.

You're absolutely right. You got two options. One is not going to happen. You're not going to wake up and all the people that you find distasteful for whatever weird, unfair reasons, you're never going to wake up and be like, all the distasteful people are gone. So throw that away. So you're either actually going to live in rage all the time and just be mad and die young and have a fucking heart attack.

So like, I'm going to coronary myself. Or you just fucking fix your shit, man. Fix yourself, man. You fix yourself. Just fix it. You recognize there's something wrong with the nugget. You got to get it fixed. You got to talk to somebody. The fuck, man. He loves podcasts. He listens to a lot of podcasts, all far right, all the time for like 13 to 14 hours a day. He's a massive fan of Joe Rogan. I know he's listening to Andrew Tate.

He's just some sort of gone off the deep end within the last year. His spirals reached its climax. Part of the toxic masculinity that my dad exhibits has been homophobia. He forces my brother to listen to all of his homophobic, anti-gay, anti-women podcasts every day and Max. Part of the toxic masculinity that my dad exhibits has been homophobia. He forces my brother to listen to all of his homophobic, anti-gay, anti-women podcasts every day and then quizzes him on it and told my brother he's never going to amount to anything and a queer man isn't a real man. I wish you could just tell him that I love him and I want the real him back. But if he continues down this path, I'm not sure how long I'm going to be able to maintain a relationship with him or how long he's going to maintain any relationships for that matter. It's getting to the point

where he's about to lose his whole family. And he will. He will lose his whole family. You know, you have nothing but loss in your future if that's what you do. You have nothing but loss if you won't fix yourself. Nothing but loss. And you'll deserve it. And like, to be clear,

if you don't do the work and you externalize all of your rage onto other people, if you're willing to hurt other people because you hurt, then you deserve that. They are right in leaving you behind. They are right in not putting themselves in that position. You have earned that. Yeah, you earned it. You earned it. Also, because these sketchy ass oil companies, which are basically like legal cartels, are intentionally limiting the supply of gas because they know the demand is so freaking high

that if their supply is freaking low, then they could just jack up the prices, dude. Yeah. And they know that we are slowly becoming less and less dependent on freaking fossil fuels. Manipulative ass bitches, dude. So this story comes from Common Dreams. House analysis confirms corporations use cover of inflation

to raise prices excessively. Yeah, man. So part of what's going on, as we all eat the shit of inflation, and as we all eat the shit of the solution to inflation, right? So just a little background. As inflation has continued to climb, it's still above 8%. The tool, the big tool in the Federal Reserve's toolbox is to raise interest rates. The interest rate they raise is the rate that banks borrow money at overnight. So they raise the overnight

rate of borrowing. When they do that, the rate that consumers pay increases, generally speaking. It's a little oversimplification. Generally speaking, the rate that consumers pay increases, which means your credit cards get more expensive, car loans, home loans get more expensive. The reason they do that is to slow down the amount of spending to reduce the demand side of the equation in order to bring inflation down. That is the big tool that the Federal Reserve has in the toolbox. So the reason that interest rates have gone up, the reason that

buying a house now is a 7.2% interest rate instead of a 3.25% interest rate, which is what it was in March, the reason that buying a car just got more expensive, the reason that your credit card bills all just went up over the course, is because that's the tool the Federal Reserve has to hit the brakes on the economy to reduce the demand side of a supply-demand equation, right? That sounds great until you look behind what's happening. What's happening here is not primarily a supply-demand problem. What's actually happening in the background is that corporations are raising prices to achieve higher than ever margins. So it's not that the prices have gone up

and their expenses have gone up. If the prices went up and their expenses have gone up, then their margins would stay the same. Then that's inflation across the board. Right, right. So if it costs fucking Ford $20,000 to make a car and they sell it for $30,000, they have a $10,000 profit. If they sell that car, if it costs them $25,000 to make that car because of inflation, and then they sell that car for $35,000, well, the same margin, right?

So they make the same. And I'm talking about margin in total dollars, not percentage dollars. Please don't email me that. Send Tom a message and let him know exactly what that number is. Fuck you guys. Let him know what that number is. But what's really happening is it now costs them $25,000 to make that car, and they're selling it for $55,000.

$55,000. And they're pocketing the difference and blaming it on a supply-demand problem, which it is not a supply-demand problem. Yeah. Man, we've known this forever, that big business and business in this country, especially business that can manipulate like this and hide behind this, they're bastards. They're bastards and they're out for money. And we, you know, with the amount of money that we have invested in the stock market and in quarterly gains, we have created this monster

that needs to have these high yields every single quarter. Every quarter has got to be better than the last quarter. It's projecting up. It's that exponential going up, that peak. It's got to stop eventually. It's got to stop. You've got to start looking at your business as a more sustainable business rather than a business that's not, that's just like, we just got to keep going. Because eventually you can't do that.

You just can't get to always infinite growth. That doesn't work, okay? But for many, many years, there has been growth. And people seem to think that we can keep going up with that infinite growth. And that's a real problem. And that fuels the idea behind business to make these kinds of decisions

to essentially take money from the people even when they really don't deserve it. Yeah, well, you know, and if you look at the profits, again, not the revenues, but the profits that the big oil companies have posted this year. Oh, yeah. They are posting record profits.

They have never made more profit, not more revenue, more profit than they are making right now. This is the fucking, all the fucking champagne is in the air right now over at BP and Shell. They are making more money. Now, it's not because the supply costs more

that they make more fucking profit. In fact, they should be making less profit. They should be making less profit because some amount of demand goes down when prices go up, meaning people drive less. So they fill up their cars less. People do more discretionary pullback on that stuff. The thing is that they look at this and they realize we've been charging consumers less than the full amount that they can possibly pay. They look at a moment like this as an opportunity psychologically to continue to push and to test the water and say, you know what?

Maybe we never have to put gas at $2 a gallon. Maybe people will always pay $4 a gallon. Why should we ever go down? Why ever go down? Doesn't matter what the supply side now does. They will charge you for every commodity that you buy. Keep in mind that you don't pay the correct fee for it. You pay the maximum amount that a corporation thinks you

will buy. Sure. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Every price for every product you've ever bought is priced at the exact highest level they think you will buy it for. And they are hiding behind inflation to push prices up to see where the consumer breaking point is. Sure, yeah. And we don't tax them. So they get it on both ends, right? So they're making a shit ton of money. And then there's also a ton of money that they make that's barely taxed or not taxed. So they find ways and loopholes through our own tax system to not pay taxes into the kitty. And all that money just goes to them. And then they're just like, cool, let's just put it in a big pile and fuck it in. That's it.

Yeah, man. This is profiteering. That's exactly it. That's what this is, is profiteering. And, you know, you put people in office that continue to make no gains whatsoever on corporate taxing. You know, we just, we keep on doing it over and over and over again. You know, especially when the Republicans get in and they get to make the tax plan for a couple of years.

A hundred percent, man. Oh, man. One hundred percent. That's fucking, that is champagne caviar and making it rain on a stripper's ass, baby. They cannot wait. Wow. Yep. They cannot wait.

But this is, this is one of those things where you're going to fucking rent the party limo. Exactly. That's what it's going to be. Party limo that kind of smells like fish all the time. It's like,

what happened in here? What is going on? This was a battleground. There's a certain musk to this. There really is. There's a musk. Why is the seat sticky from here to all the way over there?

So we are going to wrap it up this week. We are going to be doing a live stream. Hey, you can catch us being depressed probably. If you want to go check out that YouTube from last week, we're going to do a two-hour live stream, hoping Thomas Smith from Serious Inquiries Only and Opening Arguments and Dear Old Dads can join us for an hour or half an hour or something.

So we're going to do a couple hours. Go check it out if you want after the fact. I'm sure we had a lot of fun. But that's going to wrap it up for this week. We're going to leave you like we always do with the Skeptic's Creed. Credulity is not a virtue. It's fortune cookie cutter,

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