Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 697: Hard in the Paint

Episode Date: June 19, 2023

Show Notes

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And there's batteries in our on-air sign. Finally finished. This thing eats batteries like nobody's business. One episode. I want to figure out, and I was going to look it up today. I didn't get a chance, Tom. I want to figure out how to turn this

into like a wall pluggy. You know what I mean? There's got to be some kind of converter. There's got to be some kind of converter or something because this thing eats batteries like fucking Johnny Five. I'm sure that there's some kind of like AA flux capacitor

DCAC convertinator 3000 you can buy. There's got to be. But I got to find it because it takes three AA's and I don't know. I got to look it up. I'm going to try to figure it out

because I'm like so sick of every other show having to go get three AA's in it. And I don't leave it on. I shut it off. The on-air sign is great. I know.

It's how we know we're on the goddamn air. It looks great. By the way, also behind Tom on the show is Trump's

face from the New Yorker. Now, here's the thing. My favorite part of this, we talked about this on the show, is they didn't have to draw this frumpy drawing of Trump. No.

They had no, they did not have to draw it. Yeah, there was plenty of photographs of him being in state court, but somebody took it upon themselves. One of the court reporters took it upon himself to make the meanest, his like frumpy, sad, just glum face.

And it is the best. It's so good. Genuinely the best. It's so good. I absolutely love it. And what I, don't get me wrong. I think that there's no reason why we can't have cameras in federal court. There actually should and needs to be cameras and the, the, the, the new Trump indictment, the, the new hearing, the court case, it's actually, I think it's a travesty of justice

that it will not be televised. The fact that we can't turn on C-SPAN and watch a current presidential frontrunner and probable candidate for 2024 and former president. The fact that we can't watch him defend himself against charges of violating the goddamn espionage act we should be able to watch that that's a transparency of justice issue when it rises to this level sure so yeah i mean i don't need to watch like a gun charge or something no but but yeah but i'd love to watch uh you know we should like that that's the thing is like there's like there's like 10 or probably 10 a year that you'd want to watch. Yeah. You know, that are big deals. Absolutely. And I think it's entirely reasonable if we're going to have a court system that is supposed to be transparent to the people.

That's why court records are made public. That's why court transcripts are publicly available. It is a hallmark of a democracy to have no secret hearings. And now we have a world with cameras and microphones. All this shit didn't exist. But, like, why the fucking federal government can't open that shit up to goddamn C-SPAN is beyond me. Yeah, there's got to be a—I'm sure there's probably some lawyers out there that have legal reasons why they shouldn't. I'm sure there might be some legal loophole reasons why they shouldn't.

But general public- wise, absolutely. Yeah, man. And like the only upside, Cecil, is that there will be more drawings. More drawings, more frumpy drawings. We should have a whole wall, just a collage. Like when you were a teenager and you just had like mad collages

of just him. We need to do a grouchy looking Trump court. Did you see him? There was a great picture of him going into there and his hair's kind of fucked up. And then somebody captioned like rough night Donald because he looked fucked up, man.

He looked fucked up walking into there and getting indicted this last week. I want to, before we jump into the indictment though, Tom, I want to play this. This happened in Illinois. I want to say either the last day or two. This is our governor, Governor Pritzker, and this is from a TikTok Vice News. And they cut this up so that we could listen to it on our show specifically.

So here we go. This is a TikTok of him giving a speech about his recent, a recent, I guess, a recent law that they just passed here or recent executive order or something that he gave. Illinois will become the first state in the to officially ban book bans once and for all. In 2022, there were 67 attempts to ban books here in Illinois. Books about coming of age and mental health. Books about LGBTQ plus kids and teens. Books about the black experience and racism. Renowned classics like The Kite Runner and To Kill a Mockingbird.

The argument for banning books always begins with the claim that it's about protecting the children. And yes, of course, we all want to protect our children. So they're reading age appropriate material. But banning books from libraries isn't about that at all. Book bans are about censorship, marginalizing people, marginalizing ideas and facts. Regimes ban books, not democracies. Fascist Italy, the Taliban's Afghanistan. This is the land of Lincoln, the home state of the first black president. Illinois was the first state in the nation to ratify the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery. We were the first state in the nation to ratify the 19th Amendment guaranteeing women the right to vote. We refuse to let a vitriolic strain of white nationalism coursing through our country determine whose histories are told

not in illinois hell yeah hell yeah i gotta say like you know i and i i mean i'm gonna be real honest when when pritzker was running i was not happy at all like happy at all he's a billionaire i don't like i didn't like him. He felt like politics as usual with the Democratic Party here in Illinois. But I have to say, I take it back. I am, he has changed my mind on how good he is at reading the field and doing the right thing when it matters.

I think he did a great job during COVID. Yeah, I do too. And I think this is a perfect opportunity for, we talked about it maybe three weeks ago, where we said these bastions of the left need to stand up and do the right thing and need to be examples of how good it can be in a left state. And this is a perfect example of that. Yeah. You know, and it's, it's funny because all of the left-leaning states are already better places to live by like every objective measure. You know what I mean? It's like, where would like, if you had your druthers, if you could just like pack your shit and move,

and you thought about like all 50 states in this union, and you thought about where you would like to like set up camp and live live and you made a fucking list, that list would be blue as the day is long, man. It just would. It's like absolute bonkers to think that you'd be like, oh yeah, I would pick Alabama or Mississippi or Florida. But I mean, people are flocking to Florida, but they're just shitty bad people. They're stocking the pot, right? Like whatever, man. Like you guys all eat yourselves down there. I don't care. But like, I feel like very proud of that governor.

Like, weirdly proud of Pritzker. And it's the same way you do. Like, I did not expect. I thought like, okay, he's a billionaire. He's done some kind of shady shit for his own personal gain. You know, I remember there was like a kerfuffle with like a building that was next door

to a building that he owned and he like bought it and like knocked it down or some crazy shit. I don't remember the details of it. It was a long time ago. But like his leadership through COVID was like, yeah, let's see what the scientists say. In fact, let me get up

and basically introduce the science talking guys and then let them like kind of run the show. And I was like, yeah, that's, uh, that's how that should happen with a public health emergency. You know, a hundred percent. I thought his leadership through the summer of 2020 was strong and very right side of history. And I think his leadership on this issue is strong and very right side of history. So it's like, hell yeah, man. Like Illinois. All right. We don't have anything to look at but Chicago. Yeah. But we didn't fuck this one up. And I don't think he's going to go to prison, unlike so many other governors. But I think and I think when I say like making it a right place, making it a nice place to live,

I of course agree with you. But at the same time, like there are people who are demonstrably doing things in right states all across to make it so they're showing this is a bastion of the right. We are going to ban drag queens. We're going to ban LGBT stuff. We're going to rip books out of school. We're going to cancel AP stuff

for kids going to college. We're going to, they're going to take out critical race theory in schools. Here is an opportunity. And we talked about, like I said, we talked about a couple of weeks ago,

an opportunity to put these policies in place to show like, it's not just, it's not just that this is a better place to live, which it is demonstrably a better place to live, but it also shows that our values are out there. We're wearing them on our sleeve. Yeah, man. They're doing the same thing. They're wearing their values. Yeah, man. They're doing the same thing.

They're wearing their values on their sleeve. And we're doing the same thing here. And I want to see more and more and more of this stuff. You know what? If it's going to be your quote unquote culture war that you're going to create, like create places where culture can thrive. Yeah.

And this is a perfect example of that. Where literature doesn't come to die. Yeah, man. Yeah. And like, I really agree with you. If this is going to be a culture war come to die. Yeah, man. Yeah. And like, I really, I really agree with you. If this is going to be a culture war, then let's take up arms. Yeah. Like, because whether we want this to be or not, whether we've decided that like, it makes sense for there to be culture wars, whether we look down our nose at the divisiveness of these sort of

wedge social issues, like none of that matters. There's a culture war. We should recognize it. And then recognizing it, we should try to win it. Sure. Like we should take up arms. You're exactly right. I think some of the work being done in California as well, where they're like, yeah, we're going to make ourselves like an abortion. What do they call it? Like a place where abortions are safe and legal and like a haven for them. I forgot what they, they had a term for it. I think, I think more and more blue states need to be like, yeah, here's what we're going to do. You come here for an abortion,

we're going to not extradite you to other states. Sure, yeah. We're not going to cooperate with investigations and subpoenas from these fucking awful, militaristic, fucking Margaret Atwood dystopian

nightmare fucking states, you know? Yeah, yeah. Like we're not doing it. Like we won't cooperate like more of that more fighting more digging our heels in i saw that they said that the abortion rate in illinois has shot up in massively and it's because of the people like the states around us that don't allow it they're all coming here for that yeah way more than they were before yeah

we're a fucking island. I mean, you know, there at least was abortion in Indiana before. Right. And Missouri. Maybe it wasn't as, as the, the restrictions on it probably were, were deeper than they were in Illinois, but there, you could at least get it. Now you can't like at all. It's fucking lockdown. Yeah. And it's locked down in different places, like all around us. Luckily, Wisconsin's out of that, but you know, I mean, pretty much most of the States around us. And the problem with Wisconsin geographically is it's basically its entire, like it doesn't have meaningful North East or West borders with other States. You know what I mean? Like it's like primary largest border is Illinois. So like

people aren't going to go and flock to Wisconsin to get an abortion because geographically it's just more difficult. You're already in Illinois to get to Wisconsin. Minnesota is one of their borders and they have it too. So it doesn't matter. So they don't have that same like bordering issue. Only a nation of uneducated

rednecks would be amused by such cowboy drivel. This still re-thumbs from The Independent. Only a nation of uneducated rednecks would be amused by such cowboy drivel. This still re-thumbs from The Independent. Marjorie Taylor Greene mocked for telling CDC chair, I don't want my staff educated. All right, let me play it, Tom. I'll put it on. Yeah.

Vaccine. Any adverse event. If you got hit by a truck after you got your vaccine, that was reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. We at CDC have a responsibility to comb through every single one of them to review the medical charts and to see if they are related. It is the case that the vaccine doesn't prevent being hit. Ms. Walensky, I'll reclaim my time. You did nothing about that and continued to push vaccines. That's what the American people care about. We review all of the things that come into the vaccine adverse event reporting system. I'd be happy to have our staff educate your staff on the work. I don't want my staff educated. You should educate the American people about what you've done of 1.5 million reports because they feel like you've done nothing and continue to say

safe and effective. There's so much there, actually. There's actually, there's a lot. There's a lot. Like, I do want to just emphasize for our audience, like the vaccine adverse effects reporting system

is a self-report system, right? And you can report- Thank you for educating me on that. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'll have my staff talk to your staff too, by the way. Please do. I'll have Ian call Sarah for you.

But like, you know it first of all it's a it's a self-report system right and you can report literally anything you could report you could go in there and be like i got a vaccine and it turned me into trogdor and i spent my evening burninating the countryside and that would be a vaccine adverse effect that would count in the 1.4 million now please don't do that because we looked it up and like you can get in trouble for falsifying shit on there so they're like they're like well clearly you're a zen you're not a zenial because they have no idea i know i know i have a joke like yeah there's like seven there's like that joke is like 14 or 15 years old and you're just like, it doesn't feel like it's 14, but it's 14 or 15. Whatever, whatever. It's so funny. I love you, John Doerr. Consummate fees, whatever.

So, but like you could, you could write anything, right? And so it's a self-report system. It is, and it is not a medicalized system. It is a place for people to report things and for trend lines to be found after investigation, right? And that's a really important piece. And the CDC does do trend line investigation work from VAERS. They absolutely do do that work. And that's what she's trying to describe, right? She's trying to describe, hey, look, we actually do look into this information. We do comb through these records. Some of these records obviously have nothing at all to do with the vaccine. And I think the most telling part

of Marjorie Taylor Greene's like, I want you to, it doesn't feel like that. Yeah. It doesn't feel like that. And you're like, all right, but lady,

that's because you are actively working to make people feel differently. Sure. That's amazing to me, to actively work to manipulate feelings and then to use that sense of feeling to fly in the face of facts at the same time.

It's a fucking like nonsensical or a Boris. Yeah. And she feels she a hundred percent feels like your mom arguing with you. Like to when you're, you're arguing with your mom and she just says, well, cause I said, so that's what it very much feels like.

And the frustration that she has is in some ways, it's very misplaced because she gets fucking owned up there week after week after week. Somebody will say something, she'll go at them and then she'll be very sharply

corrected, very easily sharply corrected. All the time. And it doesn't matter. It literally does not matter to her. She will push forward on anything. She thinks she has a point and it doesn't matter if you literally refute her point right in front of her, she will say, I don't care. Yeah. I don't care that you just refuted my phone. She is, I mean, she is a shockingly stupid person or, and, and I don't, I don't, I don't think she is very smart actually. I, you know, I was going to take that back and be like, maybe she's just playing this or whatever. No, I think she really is. I think she believes herself. And I think she really is just one of these people that you're like, you would avoid any kind of conversation with them because they'll never let

you get a word edge and edge wise. And they'll constantly talk over you. And you're just like, yeah, man, I don't, I don't know. And I have a feeling like that's how she spent most of her life because

she's so annoying. Everybody else in her whole life is just like, yeah, I don't. Okay. That's fine. Okay. No,

it's good. Oh yeah, sure. Yeah. No, the juice space lasers. I got to go. I have a thing. It's about that time. I, it's good. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, no, the juice-based lasers. I got to go. I have a thing.

It's about that time. I got to go. Like you're like checking your arm that doesn't have a watch on it for the time. Oh, yeah, right, yeah. She's the worst. She is the actual fucking worst. But what she does do well

is that she creates editable pieces of tape for the right. That's what she does well. Because if you take this. Oh, you can edit the shit out of that. And you edit away all of the responses. Yeah. You could make this look like a very fiery Marjorie Taylor Greene standing up to the CDC, you know?

Yeah, she looks like she's doing stuff for the American people. And it's like, it's way different. And it is a striking difference. And it's like, it's way different. It's, it is a striking difference and it's like actually a problematic difference. Do you remember when we, all those like really like, um, I don't know, like Tik Tokable or, or, or social media, a bowl, uh, videos came out of Katie Porter. Viral videos. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Viral videos. Yes. That's much better than Tik Tokable. Tik Tokable. Yes. That's much better than TikTokable. TikTokable? TikTokable.

Oh, the kids with their talk tickers. These are all very TikTokable videos, don't you know? Oh, remember the trot door. It's a whole pot of gold of TikTokable videos. Not my night. But like, you remember like the Katie Porter viral videos. They were just like, m remember like the Katie Porter viral videos, they were just like, but they were if you're into like punditry and facts.

Sure. Yeah. The Marjorie Taylor Greene stuff is like, if what you want is to have your feelings reinforced. And she literally says it. Yeah. I also thought to myself, I don't know how it works when you're sitting in front of Congress. I don't want to pretend I do, but I feel like I could not sit in front of Congress and have someone ask me a question. And then I start to answer it and they're like, I want my time back. Burp, burp, burp, burp, burp. And then they fucking

garp at you some more. I feel like I just be like, well, it sounds like you're talking to yourself, lady, and leave. Yeah. Like, I guess I'm getting arrested or whatever happens, but like, that would piss me off. I know. On a level that like, I don't know that I would be able to like. Hey, we've got a secret. This podcast is supported by Apple's Never Fall,

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this is just astonishingly like bald-faced to me. That's why I grabbed it, Cecil. This is from The Hill. Fox News issue statement on their chyron calling Biden a wannabe dictator. So on their chyiron running while their fucking shit was going on as they were showing a split screen of Biden speaking at the White House. And then Trump, yeah.

And Trump giving remarks at his golf club in New Jersey. The Chiron read, wannabe dictator speaks at the White House after having his political rival arrested. wannabe dictator speaks at the White House after having his political rival arrested. There is, I mean, I don't think that there has been for like 25 years. Sure, yeah. But like the, any pretense at all is just stripped away now, right? Isn't it? No. That's why I wanted to talk to you about this one.

Isn't just any pretense of news? Yeah. It feels like you, it feels like there is no way that there's any integrity at your station. If you are going to put that kind of hyperbolic Chiron up where you would call the sitting president, a wannabe dictator. I mean, MSNBC is a hundred percent drinking the left's Kool-Aid. Well, I mean, it's sort of corporate left, but still it's left, right? And so MSNBC is like, they will put up all kinds of stuff, but I don't think they would ever call Trump on a chyron, a dictator. It doesn't feel like it would happen. I mean, I've watched plenty of hours

of MSNBC and I've never seen it. MSNBC has never had, you know, fascist autocrat clears crowd to hold a Bible, right? I mean, you could say that too, right? You could say that. It's actually more accurate. It's actually more, and it's so funny

because, again, it gets everything wrong when you take it apart, what they say, it gets everything wrong. Biden has been very, very clear on how he wants

to separate himself from this whole thing. He has handed this off, not just to a person whom he appointed. He went out of his way to get a special investigator, a special counselor to work on this whole thing. This is not even someone who is in his chain of command. He works with Merrick Garland,

who then said, you know what? I'm even biased in this. I'm not going to do it. Get somebody else to do the whole work. And that guy did all that work. This has nothing to do with the Justice Department per se. They literally went out and said,

we got to hire somebody to do this work that is impartial. And they did it. This is, it's so funny because you're just like, look, man, it's impartial. They went out of their way to say how impartial they are. I mean, they're bending over backwards to be as impartial as possible.

And you're neglecting that fact and then going right out and saying he's a dictator and he had his political rival arrested. Absolutely. And Biden has gone through great pains to, I've read reporting about this just this week. He will not even meet and discuss this case with anyone involved.

Good for him. He's just basically like, look, I'm not fucking taking meetings on that. Yeah. That's like, I'm not doing it. There have not been, to my knowledge at least, can you imagine this in the reverse, right? Like there have not been like

press conferences of Biden standing up, talking about Trump and how he got arrested and this and that and what. Trump badmouths everybody who gets within his fucking scope, right? He's like, that shitty layabout, this fucking guy made up a name, constantly holding fucking forth for everybody that'll listen. Biden has been conspicuously quiet and conspicuously distant. And still the right is like, oh, this is actually a weaponization of the Justice Department and a left wing smear by Biden. And it's like, you have nothing. You guys have nothing.

None of you have anything at all. And Trump, when he was in office, he tried to bang the drums against Hillary Clinton and other people, but there was nothing there. There wasn't anybody in his department who was willing to do anything about it. He literally would have locked up his political rival if he had his druthers. He would have done it. He went in front of crowds of thousands of people what like i thought about that this week this is a guy who stood in front

of crowds of thousands of people leading chance of lock her up he did this lock her up him up right he did this for biden and somehow that same crowd of people who like, we're like, yeah, fucking lock her up and and they're just like, well, not this guy though. Not our guy. Yeah. No, that's wrong. If it's our guy. Sure.

Yeah. And they're all defending him too. Oh yeah. Fox news has lost. I mean, they never had, in my opinion, any kind of real credibility, but this is, this is grotesque. And they, and this is one of those reasons I feel like there needs to be something. There used to be government oversight against this stuff. There really should be more government oversight

against this stuff. If you're going to say a blatant lie or something like this, you should just have to say at the beginning of everything you do, it's opinion. This is all opinion. What I think is Fox News, I think news agencies should have some kind of, I was thinking about this the other day. I think news agencies should have to have some kind of standard that they are held to. And there should be some external oversight board or committee or something, right?

That they are responsible to. And that if they repeatedly fail and, and I think it should have like some significant amount of latitude, right? Because like, like reporting is difficult, but I think if you repeatedly, and I think systemically fail to report honest and true shit, then it should no longer be allowed to be classified as news. So like if the New York Times, they would have like New York Times, it would be like a fucking news agency or whatever, like a certified fresh fucking news agency, right?

Something. And Fox should just be Fox, right? It's its own thing. And if you want to stand on your fucking virtual street corner and scream into the void your lies full of chyrons and be Newsmax and be OAN, that's okay. But you can't have that word news attached to you. You just, you lose that label. We should do, it's kind of amazing to me sometimes when I learn how little oversight there is on like hugely important stuff.

This is a total aside. But you know what I learned today listening to a different podcast? I was doing a lot of driving today. Roller coasters. Roller coasters are not required in most states. In most states that have roller coasters. and most states that have roller coasters, they are not required to be like inspected by anyone outside the company for safety,

engineering, structure, integrity, all that kind of stuff. And it's just like one of those things where like I assumed my whole life that like if I got on a roller coaster or got on a water slide or whatever. Some guy

with a white coat from the government There's a very smart person. who walked around and said, this is okay. There's a guy with a protractor, Cecil.

There's a stamp, a USDA stamp somewhere. My guy, in many states. This is a choice roller coaster. It's similar to why they build

like oil refineries in some states that have like very few regulations and every once in a while they explode. Yeah. It's like,

that's why they build theme parks in certain areas because they just don't have any regulations on testing and like, right. So they're just like, we'll build this and that's why.

We're going to build it and then we're going to strap a monkey in. Yeah. Yeah, man. We're going to see how things look. Oh, we put a sandbag in, vaguely shaped like a human. If you haven't listened to the Action Park episode of Citation Needed,

that's exactly what Tom is talking about. All those lawyers and government people can go and get fucked. This story comes from Newsweek. Donald Trump vows to totally obliterate rivals if he wins the 2024 election. And this is a really interesting, this is a really interesting contrast to what we just talked about, which is they're accusing Biden of doing what Trump is promising. Promising to do. He is promising to do it. And, you know, he's talking about, he's still talking about Hillary Clinton hilariously too. I also, this week. Also, this week, Tom. How?

This week, Tom. How? I navigated for some reason, I don't remember why, I wound up on Fox News' page. Right? So I just, like, this week clicked and I was on Fox News' homepage. The very top story was Keith Olbermann has

to walk back his comments saying Hillary Clinton never destroyed her devices. He had to, like, that was the top statement. And there was nothing at all on the entire front page about the indictment. Not a single thing. It was all stuff. There was like two stories about Hillary Clinton. There's still, on Fox News' homepage, still two stories about Hillary Clinton.

I have forgotten about Hillary Clinton. I forgot about Hillary Clinton 40 seconds after she lost the fight. Yeah, man. She's just a private citizen. She's been a private citizen now for kind of a fucking long time. Yeah, almost 10 years. Right. Like, she was super fucking relevant, and now she's

just at home doing whatever she does at home. I don't have any idea what that is. It doesn't matter to anyone. It's so fucking crazy how they created a boogie woman in her. Sure. And then they're just like trotting it out every time they need another big scary, scary. And they're like, see, at least we didn't, you know, hire a woman to do the job. Can you imagine what her vagina would have done?

Like, it's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, this is Trump, though, saying that he'll go after not just Clinton, but going after Biden, saying he's going to bring him up on charges.

He is promising to weaponize the United States Government Justice Department to go after these people just like they're accusing Joe Biden these people just like he's, just like they're accusing Joe Biden of doing,

which he's not doing right now. Which he's not doing at all. At all. And if you're Joe Biden, you've got to be, because I don't think there's any big skeletons in his closet, right?

Because if there were, they would have been found. They've been, they've been bringing this laptop, quote unquote laptop, for fucking trying to get stuff

out of there forever. Yeah. Oh, I know. Just to get one thing and nobody, there's nothing. Nothing. trying to get stuff out of there forever. Yeah. Oh, I know. Just to get one thing and nobody, there's nothing. Nothing. There's nothing. Nothing there. There's nothing there. This is also a guy very similar to Hillary Clinton, right? Hillary Clinton has been in politics for fucking ever. And she was hated because she's been a woman in politics for her whole life, right? Joe Biden is an old motherfucking guy. He's been in politics for fucking

ever. He's had rivals forever. They've been digging up dirt if they could fight. And there's nothing. If you're Biden, you gotta be like, yeah, man. That's cool. Come at me, bro. I've been living this forever. Right. Yeah. It's like we've talked about this before. It's like if somebody was like, Tom, we're gonna hire a private

investigator. He'd be like, cool, man. Your private investigator is going to get bored. Does he want to just hang out with me? Right. Because we could just hang out. Does he like coffee? I got a nice new coffee machine. We'll just hang out. We'll just drink coffee. I don't know. And he can ask me literally anything because I don't hide anything in my life. Worst case scenario, you'd be like embarrassed a little or something. Oh, they got my text message and I'm embarrassed. Right. Yeah.

And I think it's the same for Biden. And I think it was the same for Hillary. Like they have to like, like trump all this stuff up. Right. Yeah. But for Trump, the guy's been a goddamn horror show his entire life. He's been clouded in scandal. He's like a, he's like pig pen of scandals.

scandal. He's like a, he's like pig pen of scandals. I, so this week when his indictment came up, I had thought I read that he, he might've been offered a deal and refused it. And I wonder what that deal is. I wonder what that deal was. He can't take a deal. Yeah, no, he would never take a deal. He would never take a deal. Um, you know, the more and more they get into this, the stuff that he did, the stuff that he had, the more it appears that it was more what you had said, just strictly bravado stuff, because the more they're revealing of who he showed it to and what he taught, how he spoke about it afterwards really does lead, you know, me to think that it's, you know, there's a guy who all his life wanted to show how powerful he was all his life. And that's what he was doing with these documents.

And his reaction to being forced to give them back is also something that you can look into his life and see he's never been told no. And every time he has, he's gotten away with it. And so this is the first time, you know, very recently him having to pay that money, you know, for the sexual assault case. This is the very first time, you know, that he's ever really faced major consequences. And so I think that the reason why he refused all this stuff is because he's never once ever had a consequence in his life. And he's always trying to show how tough he is. And both those things in conjunction,

I think really fucked him on this. Oh, I think a hundred percent. And like, I think he's a trophy collector. Yeah. He's just a fucking trophy collector. And the thing is like, what a cool trophy to be like, I once got a copy of this awesome document because everyone sucked my dick that much. And so like you have, you be like, I once got a copy of this awesome document because everyone sucked my

dick that much. And so like you have, you're like, wasn't it awesome when everybody sucked my dick trophy and he doesn't want to give it back. I think he just, I think that's it. I think he's a shitty entitled old man. And now he'll yell at a cloud from prison. I hope. God, what, what happens if he goes to prison?

Cause the Secret Service, don't they still have a obligation to guard him for life? I thought somebody said that if he goes to prison, he will have a Secret Service agent with him, at least like watching him all the time. What a shitty job for that Secret Service agent. Bad food. Right?

Bad coffee. You know what I mean? Gotta go to get your coffee from the prison commissary or whatever. I guarantee that's not what you thought you signed up for when you became Secret Service. Like, oh, I got to go to jail? How do you make a hamburger

on a prison plate? A hamburger? Well, the thing is, actually, I know this. What you do is you got to warm up the coffee buffet. Every couple of days, he gets a conjugal visit with a Big Mac.

Warm up the coffee, Fifi. Every couple of days, he gets a conjugal visit with a Big Mac. Also, I want to point out too, and this is a tangential story. Mike Pence, sudden change of heart, over classified documents. Now he's saying, I can't defend it. This is after he's seen the indictment.

And Trump, he's basically, in some ways, and I think this was bound to happen because he's running against him. Yeah. So it's bound to happen that he's going to, you know, that there's going to be this Yeah, there's this turn up. this sort of animosity between them.

And it's got to turn up eventually. I think the guys on the right who are running against Trump are in this like weird, impossible position where they are going to want to try to play the middle, where they're going to want to run on their own merits and ignore the elephant in the room that's Trump. Because if they activate the sort of Trumpers,

the Trumpers once activated are like a virus that will just attack them. And I think that a lot of them have realized Chris Christie's out like, he's like, yeah, I'm going to fucking take down Trump. His whole goal is just to take down Trump. But I think the rest of them, DeSantis in particular, and up until now,

Mike Pence. And I think Mike Pence might be reading the wind and saying, hey man, I'm going to actually put some distance. And I was encouraged by this. I grabbed the story because I wanted to ask you this. Do you think after this, that Mike Pence will totally flip on Trump and start talking to the January 6th investigators? I don't think he will. God damn it. Here's what I, here's, here's why I say this. There have been, since Trump's been in the public eye as a politician, maybe,

I don't think it's, I don't think it's off by much to say 25 chances for the right to bury him and say, that is not our guy. we're done with him. Yeah. That's not our guy. He's never gonna get elected anywhere in the country ever again. Yeah.

We can bury him right now and we can all dog pile on him and get rid of him. You can't do any of the stuff that he did, the big stuff he did in the Democratic Party. I was, I was reminded today of one of the stories. I don't remember which one,

but I was reminded of Anthony Weiner today. Oh, yeah. And I had forgotten about it. Yeah. Weiner's Weiner. Here's a dude who sexted with somebody

and even before then, when he was sexting, we threw him out. Yeah. This was before it was revealed that it was like a young underage person. Right, before anyone knew that it was a teenage girl.

No, it was a teenage girl after he had already left Congress. So he had done that afterwards. Okay. So it wasn't while he was in Congress. It was somebody else. But he was sexting and sending pictures and-

I think it was like to a staffer or something. Yeah, and they were like, and as soon as that happened, everybody was just like, no, no, no, no. And he was like, okay, I'm out. And he peaced out. And then he was trying to run as mayor of New York City.

And they were just like, yeah, oh, by the way, there's like a 15-year-old girl you were doing that. And he's like, oh, I got to go to jail now. And then he went to jail. But even before he went to jail, he was not part of this party. Everybody saw it and said, get the fuck out of here. There's been 20 times like

that so far that Trump has had that could have easily been, no, no, no, no, this is over. No, we're done. That's it. It's over. We're done. And they haven't taken any step whatsoever. If January 6th doesn't turn them around, these documents have nothing on January 6th. The only like counter maybe, and I think you're right, but the only perhaps counter to that is like if you're Mike Pence,

you have a personal stake now, not just in the party, but in actively winning against Trump. That's a different story. One on one. I don't feel like he'll speak to him.

I think this is about as, we know how tame Mike Pence is. This is as hard in the paint as Mike Pence goes versus Trump, Tom. You are fucking right. This is as hard in the paint.

This is a guy... This is a super secret uppercut. This is a guy who turns off the lights before he asks mother, do you want a touchdown there? You know, you're right. You're right.

You're right. And another great example of just how right you are about the refusal of the Republicans to meaningfully hold any of their own accountable is George Santos. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. George Santos is nobody. Absolutely. He's a, he's, he's not even the level on the nose of like Trump's fucking shoe dirt in terms of importance. And they still won't turn on him even though he's clearly guilty. Like he is just very evidently everybody. He's like, guilty like he is just very evidently everybody he's like what are you what what's guilty again again mitt fucking romney looking at that guy and being like you shouldn't be here is seriously one of the best moments and i hate mitt romney but i'm like man

mitt romney looking at that guy and dressing him down yeah absolutely chef kiss fucking amazing mitt romney i don't like him at all i do not but like he has to feel like a crazy person he must he must feel insane every day that he wakes up he has moral he's the moral bellwether of that of i mean he's not though because they don't care they don't care at all they don't care at all he They don't care at all. They don't care at all. He's a weird poll that they passed like nine years ago. Nine years ago. Right. He put his stake in the ground nine years ago. Now it's in a disgusting, grotesque place that no normal person would think is a good place where a moral stake should be.

Right. But he still put it there. And that is even, that's way, way, way in the past. They left that so far behind. I that is even, that's way, way, way in the past. The Republicans are like, whoa, I can't even look that far. I need a fucking space telescope to look that far back. In 2015,

when Mitt Romney was like, we can not elect this guy. We can't. He gave this unbelievable speech. He gave this unbelievable, he was like, this is the stuff that will happen. And then like,

he's got to be like, did you not? Are you? Can't? How? Like the only thing he was wrong about was that none of it would matter. Yeah.

Yeah. He was wrong about that. I thought, I mean, many of them, even Lindsey Graham said, this could be the end of the Republican party when we elect Trump.

I mean, Lindsey Graham said that before Trump. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. He said, this will be the end of it, and we'll deserve it, he said. And nobody will lick Trump's

asshole cleaner. Even in this. They are still trying to defend him against these documents. They're still trying to defend that he should have had these documents and stuff. And you're just, I'm blown away by this, that they keep on doubling down again and again

and again and again. They don't even address the substance at all. All they do is they're just like, oh, it's just a left-wing smear job. Every president, Mike Pence had some and Biden had some docs. And it's like, that's not at all what he's being charged with, though. He's not being charged with just having some stuff that he immediately gave back when asked. That's not the indictment, man. In fact, there's a story that you found why the Biden, Clinton,

and Pence document cases don't compare to Trump. That's a Vox News story. And we, I read this today and you're absolutely right. This is, you know,

there is so many pieces that Trump did that were just, I mean, the subpoena, first of all, where you're just, they say,

look, give them back. Right. And he says, eh. The other ones are, the other two are immediately, come in, look in my place. Absolutely. Here's all I have. Actually, send your guys in and they'll look around. And then they found one even, I think in Pence's. And he's, yep, take it. I didn't, I didn't know I had it. Please take it. Go away with it. And they found them in Biden's and the others. And he's, yep, take it. I didn't know I had it. Please take it. Go away with it. And they found him

in Biden's and the others. And they got special, again, special prosecutors to look into both of these. And they've declined to, they still haven't decided on Biden. Right.

But we're pretty sure they won't indict a sitting president because we know that happened with Trump. And then this, in particular, they already let Pence go.

They're like, no, Pence is fine. Yeah. But he gave him back. I mean, that's the piece, man. Like the difference is like Trump traveled with documents. He had people move stuff around whenever it was like somebody might find it. It's like, well, why don't I have these 64 boxes of things he actually knew about and knew he couldn't have. He obstructed. He got in the way. He stalled. of things he actually knew about and knew he couldn't have.

He obstructed. He got in the way. He stalled. He tried to get his lawyers to like pull documents out. He suggested at one point, like, what if we just like destroyed these things? He knew he was doing the wrong thing.

Yeah. And it's documented that he knew he was doing the wrong thing. There's tape recordings of him doing the wrong thing. There's lawyers that said he wanted me to do something illegal and I wouldn't do it.

There are lawyers who are like, oh my God, I can't like, like he's trying to get me to commit a felony, which breaks attorney client confidentiality because I can't, like that doesn't count if there's a commission of a felony.

So like his own attorneys are now testifying against him. Like, I'm not doing that shit. Like I'm not, my name is Paul. That's between y'all. I'm not doing it. There's an enormous difference between, hey man, I think you maybe grabbed my homework.

Oh fuck dude, I'm sorry. Versus like, yeah, I stole your entire term paper and then I beat you up when you asked for it back. And then I moved three states when you tried to come get it back. Holy shit. What we can't, like we're gonna pretend we don't know the difference here. And the problem, of course, is that the people who want to believe that Trump is no different than Biden and no

different than Pence will believe that because they're easily fed this lie. And the right is very good at repeating the lie over and over again to their base, even though 100% people outside of their base know this is bullshit. It's all bullshit. Absolutely. And they know it, but their base, they will eat it up. And this will not, I do not think that, you know, until justice weighs in on this, this does, I don't think this really hurts him that much. I know, you know, I was thinking about this and I want to get your thoughts on

this too, is that imagine the worst, two worst case scenarios have to happen back to back. So imagine that the, these indictments, these charges, these all, it falls through somehow. The judge dismisses him or something. Or he's found not guilty. He's acquitted. Sure. And then he becomes president in 24. No international leaders will take him or us seriously.

We will look like a fucking international laughingstock. And the reason we'll look like that is because we will be. We will be ridiculous in the face of the world. The world will, this will damage the rep. If Trump got reelected, the reputation of the United States, which already took an enormous hit with Trump, but I think is like salvageable if you move forward, it would be unsalvageable. I really do think like, I think generations will go by where the international community will look at America differently. I agree.

And I think that Trump, especially if it has to do with this judge, because he's the one who appointed the judge. Think of how bad that looks if she somehow gets him out of this or makes it so lenient that it doesn't matter to him. Right. If she stacks the deck against him or against us through him, right?

Look at how fucking clown shoes that makes the entire United States. Everything that we do from that point on, we look like an absolute fucking clown shoe nation. We're a bag of idiots, man. Clown shoe nation. Bag of fucking idiots.

You basically let somebody stack the deck and then that person, there's clearly no oversight for federal judges that can do anything because she already proved that she can't handle this sort of thing and she is 100% biased. There's nothing there that we can do. this sort of thing and she is 100 biased there's nothing there that we can do yeah they admonished her the 11th court or whatever admonished her it doesn't matter

you know she can still come back and do the same thing again and it might might work this time it might and i mean there's it's still early it's she may still recuse herself like it's still early i doubt very much that she will. She has no fucking experience to try this case. No, she doesn't have any experience. She has no experience. She was inexperienced

to be put in that position because Trump put inexperienced, bad, ideologically motivated people into those positions. She is fucking out of her depth, man. Really badly. She's really badly

out of her depth. She should not be in this spot. Something like four cases she's tried. Like four criminal cases? Four criminal cases. Now, admittedly, in the article that I read, they said that very often things get pled out. So it's a lot of procedure up until that point.

So a lot of these judges don't have immense criminal cases. But the big thing is the espionage stuff. They had to move it down to Florida because that's where the crime took place. And really, the people who have all that experience, any of that experience, who could be good judges and understand what's happening in this case way deeper than she could are all in Washington. And so you're in this weird position to do that. I did hear an interesting bit of theory though. They were talking about there's also a case that has to do with Trump in New Jersey.

So Trump did something else in New Jersey. And I believe it's when he showed somebody a paper. He showed it to somebody. It appears in the indictment, but it's not really a charge that's brought up, right? It's not one of the counts. It's like a, instead, it is, it's like evidence towards the corroborative evidence.

But it happened somewhere else. And someone speculated that maybe Smith has another indictment in another state that he could drop on Trump if these things go badly, because that stuff happened in another state. And then he could get a New Jersey judge on it because that happened at his golf course in New Jersey. So I thought, and I could just be dead ass wrong about this. So I just, I'm just saying things now, but like, I thought federal charges could be filed. They can.

And that they had chosen Florida to show the strength of their argument. I, so one of the things I read was they, they also chose it because it like, it happened in that district. Okay. And so like, there is something that there's also some sort of primacy that comes with that too. So it's, I think you can choose it anywhere. They could choose California if they wanted to.

But I think that what Trump was going to do was say it needs to be where it happened. Yeah. And then that's a good enough argument to get it moved anyway. And so I think they cut him off at the pass by choosing Florida first off. So he doesn't have another argument to be like,

well, I want it moved over here. Yeah, and I thought like it's smart to do it in Florida too, as opposed to Washington, because you shortcut or you circumvent the whole like narrative of, oh, you know, the, the Democrats in Washington are, it's like, Hey, you're in your, we're in your fucking home state, your home territory. Our case is so strong. We're comfortable filing it right here in your backyard. We will file it. I'll file it with your fucking family, motherfucker. That's how strong our case is, you bitch. I think that's, I think those

are, that's one of the reasons, but I do think that they're trying to cut him off at the pass of also delaying this. Because if they file it in Washington, D.C. Oh, he'll file a motion to move it. Now he's like, well, I want to move it. I don't want it here. And then it's got to be heard by somebody else to decide whether they want to move it. And they're pretty sure that it's going to get moved.

And so now you're kicking the can down the road. Yeah. Yeah. Like we talked before, I hope they fucking burn this thing through the system. You're murder people. Evil. You're evil. Evil.

Man, there's two stories I grabbed here just because I think, you know, we've talked a lot, and I think I've said some things about the Republican Party and about how they have become a party of primarily social wedge issues. And I do think that most of their rhetoric is based on social wedge issues. And I do think that most of their rhetoric is based on social wedge issues. But they have floated a proposal for a budget that could not be more striking in showing what they really want for America and the kind of fucking monsters that they are. Yeah. Just like monsters at every level. The story from New Republic. Republicans are bringing back their plan to gut Social Security and Medicare.

I do want to say, I don't like the headline. I don't think it is a gutting of Social Security. I think that that's a little bit of hyperbole in the headline, to give credit. What they're doing is they are proposing moving the retirement age. They did in France, and then they lit the place on fire. Oh, I know. I think it's terrible. Don't get me wrong.

But gutting it sort of suggests that there's going to be this massive cut in your benefit. It is a cut in your benefit. It's a huge cut in benefits for the people who are on the younger end of that social It is. So if they change even by one year and you were going to get $3,000 a month, that was a $36,000 cut. So it is a cut. I just took a little bit of issue with that word gut because I just want the reporting to be fair and accurate.

I think when we're hyperbolic, it's problematic, right? Gutting to me is like eviscerative, like there's nothing left. Well, there's plenty left. But it is monstrous to move the age of retirement, right? Like we already have an age of retirement in this country for full benefits for Social Security. It's 67 years old. That's fucking old, man. Yeah, man.

Like 67, like the average lifespan is what, 76, 78, something like that? Probably lower, but still, yeah. Especially with COVID. Right. Roll back those numbers of the averages. So like, let's say it's 76. That gives you nine whopping years. Nine whole years.

And it's not a lot of money. That's the other thing too. Like, let's not pretend that it's a fucking shit ton of money you get at 67. Full benefits of social security is not a lot of money. It's not. You put that money in there your whole goddamn whole goddamn career. And here's the thing. I put that money in there too, fully expecting not to get it. Right. They've been telling us, they've been telling us our whole careers. You're never going to get this money. You're never going to see a dime of this money.

And I've been putting money in there my whole career that I know I probably won't see, which will probably just fall out. There probably won't be a Social Security when I get to that age. There probably won't be a world when I get to that age. I know, man. I feel the same way. Let alone Social Security when I get to that age. I am not planning on Social Security as part of any kind of my retirement. I'm not either. I'm not either. I'm planning to work until I die. That's what I planned

on doing. You guys are going to be... I don't do a stressful job. And so I figure I could just keep doing it. I'm just going to hide in the back of the library over here. Find us on patreon.com forward slash trogdor. But really, it's not just that. Also looking at massive, the people that they're forcing to work now

for food stamp benefits and things like that. First off, many people who get food stamps in this country already fucking work. The majority. Right? Most. Most of them already fucking work.

They work long, difficult hours already. Yep. And their businesses, these billion dollar companies very often, like at Walmart, these billion dollar companies don't pay them a living wage.

And what happens is, is they have to go to the government for our handouts to help boost their profits up because they get to keep all that money

that should be passed on to their workers to make a living wage. Absolutely. We don't make them do that. What we do is say, oh yeah, we haven't raised the fucking minimum wage in this country in 35 years or some stupid shit. So, you know, that'll be fine. They'll be, they'll be fine. We just give them these little bits of money that now you've got to force them to work for. A lot of them already work anyway, but some people are disabled. Other people, they can't work. They're trying to stay home to take care of children, things like that.

And you're going to make them work for these benefits now. I just feel like nobody in that position who's getting that wants to not work, right? Everybody who's getting that tiny amount of money from the government, they want to work. This idea of the welfare queen that that racist bullshit idea that they've been putting forth for years to make it seem like people on the dole got it good.

They don't have it good. They don't have anything. They don't have fucking pot to piss in, two pennies to scratch together. They're eating fucking rock soup, man. They don't have anything. They don't have fucking pot to piss in, two pennies to scratch together. They're eating fucking rock soup, man. They don't have anything. So many times in recent memory, people have tried to do that snap challenge and failed.

They can't even do it. I mean, we're talking about people who are way below the margins, having to struggle all the time. And all we do is keep pulling the rug out from underneath these people who don't get barely anything anyway and don't want to be there.

Yeah, it's my, the Republican agenda is just an agenda of hurting the most marginalized and disenfranchised people in America in order to give all kinds of different other subsidies to the ultra wealthy. That's it. 1% get tons of money. That's what this is about.

50, 60 grand, something like that, cuts for them. They're cuts. They get that in a benefit. The rest of the population gets maybe 500. Like 40 bucks. Yeah. Like some of these benefits, like you might save like $40 a year, like a year in some of these tax cuts. It's nothing. And you hit the nail exactly on the head. This is a corporate.

So what they are doing is creatively leveraging SNAP benefits as a corporate subsidy. Sure, exactly. That's all this is. This is a corporate subsidy. If they make you work for your SNAP benefits as a corporate subsidy. Sure, exactly. That's all this is. This is a corporate subsidy. If they make you work for your SNAP benefits without changing and raising the

minimum wage, then what they've said to Tyson Foods and Walmart and all these other fucking evil empire fucking companies that pay nonsense wages, horrible slave wages. It is fucking sharecropping slave wages to people.

What they said is, look, we're going to make them show up at your doorstep and knock on your door and ask for a job. We're going to make sure that we keep these people working. We keep them filling your plants. We keep them filling your stores. We keep them shelving, You're stocking your shelves. We're going to put them into these horrible, shitty, no-win situation jobs. And then we'll give them some crumbs.

And they'll be too tired and too occupied and too busy to do anything to better their situation. And we will create a cycle of unbreakable poverty for them to exist within in order to be your grist for your fucking money will. Blood in the gears. Yeah, man. You will be blood in the fucking gears all day long. Yeah. And they don't care. And the way they manipulate the people, we talked about at the beginning of the show, the way they manipulate even people who are getting these benefits to vote for them.

Yeah. Is they get them to emote. They feel the emotions and they get them to hate other people. And they say to them, we got you to hate them. Now we're going to punish those people who you hate. And if we do that,

you'll vote for us. You'll even do it against your own best interest. Yeah, it's like, it creates like, they create this like, well, I had to work. I had to sweat and scrape and be without. And so, why should you get

a fucking beans if I didn't get a beans without having to work? And it's like, we should all just get beans. That's okay. That's the thing. We should all just get beans, man. We should all just get food. There should be some things in a country as ridiculously awash in wealth and privilege as our country.

There should be some shit that none of us have to worry about. We should have a minimum food standard for every human being living in this country. Every human being. I didn't say citizen. Every human being living in this country should have a minimum food standard. Every human being, I didn't say citizen, every human being living in this country should have a minimum food standard.

Every human being living in this country should have a minimum educational standard, including post-secondary education. Every living human being in this country should have access to medical care, quality medical care, not just emergency, patch you up and send you off. You know, we stemmed the bleeding, go fucking die in a corner. But medical care, these are things that are basics of our humanity. They are, our humanity is at stake. And the Republican Party is looking our humanity in the eye and fucking putting its thumb right there.

They red pen it. They crossed it out. They said, no, we can't afford it. Can't afford humanity anymore. Plenty of money for cruise missiles. We got a lot of money to make sure that you, business owner, get all these loans forgiven. We got enough money to make sure that you get plenty of tax cuts, business owner. But when it comes to the regular Joe, sorry, you're fucked.

You're fucked every single election cycle. Yep. And hey, you know what? If you're a business owner and you're not a ultra wealthy business owner, you're fucked too. Yeah fucked every single election cycle. Yep. And hey, you know what? If you're a business owner and you're not a ultra wealthy business owner, you're fucked too. Yeah, that's for sure. You know?

Yeah, that's for sure. Like, if you're just like, like I have a fucking transmission shop guy. Yeah. Yeah, you don't get dick. No, it's not like, it's not like, yeah, I'm talking about these billionaire companies. Yeah, big companies.

They make, they and the government, they make all the money. They in peaches and cream every day, baby. Yep. All right, so that's going to wrap it up for this week. We're going to have a funny, more story-based show this upcoming Thursday for patrons.

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