Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 699: Trump Indictment Analysis

Episode Date: July 3, 2023

He did everything right and they indicated himmmmmmmmm   (also no video this week - so no broadcast on monday)    

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this, it's well-deserved. And we're going to be talking about the Trump indictment. This, that's our long form. I read the Trump indictment for patrons $2 and up. $2 and up patrons can listen to the 49-page reading of the Trump indictment. I did try to add a little vocal flair to it

so it's a little less dry, but I didn't actually think it was all that dry. I thought it was a fascinating fucking read. I really did. Man, holy cow. What an interesting, it was an interesting read because, you know, what I love about it is that this is specifically set up as a way to show

the case, right? It's set up to show the case. And my God, I, you know, I know, I know often what happens is that people who don't know law stuff have to get their analysis from other people who are gonna take the time to read this entire indictment and then tell them, yeah, it's pretty bad. This one is written in such a way that I was able to completely understand it. Now, I don't know if that's true of all indictments or if it was just particularly written in this way for the

American people, because this guy understands that there will be a lot of people reading it. And so he wrote something that was very accessible. That could be possible. But I'll tell you what, after reading this, I had heard a couple of lawyers and pundits and people who study this sort of thing say, man, Trump is fucked. After reading this, I would be very surprised if he walks away from this unscathed. Dude, I can't imagine. I cannot imagine how this is. This feels absolutely crushing. This indictment is crushing.

One of my favorite fucking features, and I'll go to my grave loving this no matter what happens, is the way that they used in the indictment itself, Trump's own exhortations toward political security, toward national security, toward treating classified documents with extreme care. Because if you recall, his entire lock her up mantra that he got his fucking idiot pig brains to scream at his idiot rallies was based on the mishandling of classified information. So he's on record in many places, many times with this hardliner stance. And we should all have a hardliner stance on the handling of classified information.

So in the indictment itself, they use his own words to emphasize the importance. And I just thought it was brilliant to emphasize the importance of this. Oh, God. It's so chef kiss. It's so chef kiss. I'm going to read some of it. So here's a piece. It says on August 18th, I just want to read the whole thing. So it says, as a candidate for president of the United States, Trump made the following public statements among others about classified information. On August 18th, Trump said,

this is 2016, in my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law. And then on September 6th of the same year, he said, we also need to fight this battle by collecting intelligence and then protecting our classified secrets. We can't have someone in the Oval Office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word confidential

or classified. Then the next day, Trump said, one of the first things we must do is enforce all classification rules and enforce all laws relating to the handling of classified information. And then 12 days later, he says, we all need the best protection of classified information. And then finally, on November 3rd, Trump said, service members here in North Carolina have risked their lives to acquire classified intelligence

to protect our country. It is so, so great. So amazing. There is no wiggling out of this one that I can possibly fathom. I cannot imagine how, the indictment goes to great pains to describe so many elements that just seem so well corroborated, just so well corroborated. So let's talk through kind

of what the allegations are since we've, so it's not just, and we talked about this on the main show. It's not just that he went home and he had a few extra documents and didn't know about it that is not what is being alleged here at all this motherfucker had boxes and boxes what they call his fucking aides call his beautiful mind boxes right they allude to them in the indictment as his beauty in text messages as his beautiful mind documents and i thought there is actually nothing that is a more damning indictment of that movie a beautiful mind than to conflate it with the mind of donald trump horse woman man television child yeah horse child saddle so yeah man woman camera tv but like so like so he's got these documents

and then it's not just that he's got them and he's not protecting them and it's not just that he's got them and he's moving them around he's taking theseil bankers boxes full of like his weird mementos combined and mixed in with like super fucking like the most ultra classified top secret shit they go through like they're like

yeah this isn't just like yeah it's like you shouldn't have taken it but like you know it's just like nothing like this is like these are classified documents classified with like ultra, you die if you looked at it, top secret. No foreigners. They can only look at them in sealed looky-loo rooms. Like they've got. Yeah.

Yeah. The SCIF stuff is the stuff because it's called SCIF and it's sensitive compartmented information facility and only individuals with appropriate security clearance and additional SCI permissions were allowed to have access to such national security. So you have to look at it in a place and

of that like you have to have a fucking a special key to get in the star chamber in order to fucking do the fucking thing. To look at these documents, you got to get to the looky-loo room at the end of a fucking get smart hallway, right? Like, it's like, it's like... You really do?

You really got to talk into your shoe? You got to have somebody like scan your eye and like give a blood sample. And he's got this shit just in a fucking cardboard box, man. It's shit he shouldn't have. And he's just like, yeah, it's in a cardboard box.

And sometimes I put it on my airplane and sometimes I travel around with it. And then sometimes it's in my shower in fucking Mar-a-Lago or it's in the ballroom. And it's like, and the thing is like in the allegations, it's not even just that he has this stuff and it's not even just that he's traveling with this stuff, but the most damning parts in my view, I don't know how you felt but the most damning parts to me is like when he is being asked for these documents he is misleading his own staff his

own attorneys he is lying to his own attorneys so that they will lie to the feds or not lie so that they will mislead the feds so that he can just like keep the documents. He's playing like like fucking three card money with these fucking boxes, having like this is fucking bag man and some other dude like, oh, I need him shifted from, you know, underneath the red cup and then spin the red cup around the blue cup and then the green one. underneath the red cup and then spin the red cup around the blue cup and then the green one. Yeah, man. He's intentionally hiding what he knows are ultra-sensitive documents. You're exactly right.

He's moving these things around his residence and moving them on planes, keeping them all the time in very unsecured locations. Then we talked about one type of document where you have to have like a specific clearance and be in a specific place to even look at it. He's got many of these documents

and he's got other documents that are of a top secret nature and he's storing them in places where they shouldn't be stored. They even mentioned, you know, Mar-a-Lago's an active social club. It has many transient workers who work there. People could easily get in these rooms,

rifle through these documents, take photos. At one point, you know, and this is part of the evidence that they're talking about in this. You know, they're talking about all these text messages that they have. You know, when you read through this and when Tom reads this to you,

you understand that this is just a collection of evidence to show how fucked he is because I don't know how you get out of this stuff with these text messages and other things that people are sending to each other. They're sending Tom at certain points, they have to redact the text photo because the text photo has top secret shit in it because a box

they said fell but who the fuck knows man somebody could have easily been rifling through that left it on the floor who cares because nobody cared about that document anyway and then this person walks in takes a photo of sensitive classified material and text it to another person to say, uh-oh, we had an oopsie spill. They just text. This is a photo that should not exist of a document that should not be there. Yes. Taken by a guy who has no fucking clearance to be near the document, much less to take a picture.

Then he sends that picture to another guy on another fucking phone. And these are just regular dude phones, right? Because they're not government employees. These are just like dudes who work at the fucking golf course or whatever. You know what I mean? These are not really that. He's this bag man.

He's nobody. The president's nobody. These are not. Yeah, he's just a private citizen right now. So these guys don't have clearance. It's not like my work phone, Cecil. I work for a Fortune 500 company. So my work phone has all kinds of software on it that allows that work phone to be monitored from afar and even deleted and wiped out from afar.

So if I lose my phone, I have to call IT and they will immediately factory reset from wherever it's at. They'll open my phone and wipe my phone because there's company sensitive data on it. That's not even this. These are just dudes with like their own phones working for a fucking like, you know, golf course company or whatever. You know what I mean? There's no there is no security at all. And they're moving this stuff around with the express and written intention to hide it. Because attorney number one, there's this guy, attorney number one

identified in the indictment. Attorney number one is like, hey, man, the feds are knocking on the door and they want me to go in and they want me to like find all these documents so I can certify to them that we have turned over everything. And Trump's like, yeah, how do you come by tomorrow? I come by tomorrow around 315, maybe four o'clock. And then like immediately there's these text messages from Trump's flunkies who are like, yeah, we got to move this shit around. And then they move shit out of the storage rooms that fucking attorney number one knows to go look for these documents in so that the documents can't be found. yeah you know here's all the 38 documents i found there's still a hundred and whatever documents that he wasn't able to find specifically because literally the night before trump had these documents moved by his other flunkies into the fucking toilet room or the fucking crawl space like wherever the shower yeah but he he dug a hole and put him on one of the greens or whatever

like there's a fucking there's a groundhog they gotta blow up with dynamite eventually or but seriously this is so when you read these regular Joes talking about this stuff in fact there's a text exchange between two of them

one of them says we definitely we can definitely make it work if we move his papers into text exchange between two of them. One of them says, we definitely, we can definitely make it work if we move his papers into the lake room. And the other one says, is there still a little room in the shower where his other stuff is? Or is it only his papers he cares about?

There's some other stuff in there that are not papers. Could that go into storage? Or does he want everything there on the property? And the other one says, yes in there that are not papers. Could that go into storage? Or what does he want? Everything there on the property. And the other one says, yes, everything that's not the beautiful mind paper boxes can definitely go to storage.

Want to take a look at this space and start moving tomorrow a.m. And then there's text between his family and him about these boxes. People, everybody knows he has sensitive documents. Everybody. He gets subpoenaed by grand jury to give the boxes back. He tells his guys to basically move them around so that the people who come to

get them only get a certain number of documents. Handpicked, it seems, handpicked the way the timeline works. It seems like they're handpicked by one of his workers who went in, who didn't have clearance, who didn't have the ability to discern what was in this stuff, just made a decision about what was in there. And then it got wrapped up and sent back to the, to the feds. And even Trump was saying, maybe you should get rid of some of this stuff by making plucking motions about whether or not you should get rid of it. He's, this is all dirty mob guy stuff that he's doing. It totally is, man.

And he literally, he's like, what if we just told him? What if we don't play ball? Yeah. Like, and his attorney's like, what do you mean? What if we don't play ball? We have to, you can't just not respond to a fucking subpoena for these documents. What are you talking about? You, that's not an option.

He's like, well, what if, wouldn't it be better if just nothing were found? Yeah. Like he's hinting around and then he makes a plucky plucky like hey why don't you take these back to your hotel room how and that's the other thing at one point the guy the fucking attorney is taking these documents back to a hotel room to look through in order but this attorney doesn't have clearance to look at these documents. Like this whole situation is so spectacularly fucked. And Trump absolutely knew what he had. And there is some wonderful evidence in the indictment that Trump, they've got him on

record, that Trump, in at least two occasions, has documents and says to people, these are documents. They're super fucking, at one point he's like, this document's so secret, you shouldn't come too close to it. Talking about like a map or some shit that he has. He's like, I don't know, it's a super secret document. He's really, he's talking to a guy

that like works for a political action committee, like a fundraising guy. And he's like, this is so secret, you can't even actually come close to it. There's a fucking secrecy force field around this document that only I can see. And then evidently, it's safe if it's here in my chubby little fucking tiny hands or in my gilded shower. Those are the two places where this document is safe. And there's another instance, too, Cecil.

He's got a document and he says to somebody, you know, hey, I've got this document and it's plans of attack. I think the plans of attack are against Iran. And this this general, I think he's talking about Miley. This general wanted me to attack and he gives this whole story. And he's like, you know, I didn't I could have declassified it when I was president, but I didn't. And so this is a big secret. So don't fucking say anything. But it proves me right the whole time. He's to like, he's trying to relieve himself of a

grudge because that's the small phase. Like I was right the whole time. I was right. This document proves I was right. I think that's why he kept some of them. They're all just old man screams at cloud boxes. Like he kept these because he was mad about, he had like a shower thought after the fact. These are his receipts, right? Yeah, these are the moments where he's like, I'll show those kids for picking on me or whatever. I am this, but he can't show anybody. And he literally can't show it.

He can only show it on a onesie, twosie basis. I wanted to go back for a second because we were talking about him maybe possibly destroying the documents. How fucked would he be if he destroyed these documents? He would be so fucked. I think that would have been so much worse for him

if these documents wound up missing and he couldn't account for them. I don't know. No, I think it would have been way worse. These are secrets about our nuclear capabilities and other countries' nuclear capabilities. They're secrets about other nations. If they go up missing and they're not there anymore,

and then he's like, oh, I just destroyed them. I got to believe you that you destroyed them. You know, I got to believe that you destroyed them. So I don't know, man. I don't think you destroyed them. I feel like that is a way worse crime than them recovering them from a very shoddily kept security situation that he had. I think that's a way worse crime. I have no idea if the real

nefariousness of this is a thing, right? There is an idea out there that the reason he has these, when you look at, especially when you start adding up all the money that the Saudis gave him and his family and how they're getting billions of dollars from, you know, deals and things like that, there certainly is some

motivation for them to have documents that they could share with somebody and it could be sensitive documents. Why would share with somebody and it could be sensitive documents. Why would you pay somebody that much money if they didn't have something they could give you, right? And this is something they could certainly give you. This is a saleable thing.

So why not? I'm not saying that it is, but it certainly makes people say, okay, well, you've got an uphill road to climb to prove that you're not doing this nefariously because you had these documents and were shifting them around and clearly wanted to keep them.

But the way this indictment reads, it very much reads, the sound of it doesn't sound like he's out there shopping these documents. It sounds more like what you said, which is he's just keeping them because they're his trophies. They're the things he wants to show people to say, damn it, I was right about this, and this is going to prove I was right,

even if I can't show it to anybody, I know it's true. Yeah, that is very, very, very much the feeling that I get, is that there were a number of things that he was sort of challenged on, that maybe he was like, that he a and he was like well i'll just keep the documents that prove that i was right i think like i don't know cecil you know the worry that i have and i'm glad this didn't come to fruition because now we don't have to game it out i guess but like if he had just shredded all these documents then the documents go missing but you still you would then it's sort of like it's sort of like trying to like prove a murder without finding the body. I feel like it's easier because they found the documents.

I feel like their case is easier, you know, because they don't have to prove that he is the one that lost them or he is the one who mishandled them or he is the one. Like, it would be like, well, that could have happened anytime during the move. I don't know. I don't, you know, I'm fucking 78 78 years old i don't move my own boxes you know like i i guess i feel like this is so gotcha yeah this is so incredibly gotcha i am have you read any punditry or opinions or any analysis that gives you any sense of how he gets out of this? Because I read that fucking indictment and I'm just like, fuck. And I know that's how indictments are written, but it's just fucking brutal. It's so factual, man.

Yeah. I haven't read anybody who says this is a terrible indictment because of blah. The only negative things I've heard so far are he shouldn't have to deal with this because everybody, these other people, like that false argument about the Clintons and about how Biden had documents and the false argument about how Pence had documents, they're not going after them. So I've heard that bad argument floated multiple times through multiple different people, be they pundits or religious, or representatives or, you know, Republicans of some stripe.

I've also heard, you know, a lot of people do the, well, I didn't read it. I didn't read it. I didn't read it. Oh, yeah. And they can easily poo-poo it after the well i didn't read it i didn't read it i didn't read it oh yeah and they can easily poo-poo it after they say they didn't read it because they say well it's it's unfounded anyway you know it's kind of unfound even though they didn't bother to read that it's literally a 50 page stack of evidence it is just evidence after evidence after evidence

and the boxes pictures makes you laugh like as you as you page through it. And the comments back and forth between his fucking Stooge 1 and Stooge 2 as they try to figure out they're poking each other in the eye with boxes. They're walking across Mar-a-Lago with a fucking window pane and somebody runs through it with a box and then Trump's on the second green

trying to put a box into a thing. It's just a fucking clown car when you read it. But they get out of it's just, I mean, it's just a fucking clown car when you read it. But they get out of it by saying, I didn't read it. I didn't read it. But I don't think there's a lot of founding. So what I've heard is a lot of dodging, but I haven't heard anybody say,

well, on page whatever, you could clearly see that he's going after him in a wrong sense or he's going after him against the rule of law or whatever. Yeah, and I haven't even seen any like beyond like refutation. I haven't seen any significant refutation of the facts at all. And I haven't seen anything that even to me approached a cogent theory of defense at all.

Like I like because like you're right. What I see in the sort of like court of public opinion on the right is well they all do it and this is just you know they every every president leaves with some amount of documents and there was chaos as he was packing up chaos he created by right because he had to pack up in a hurry and you know things got missed and now this politically motivated you motivated left-wing attack by his political rival, blah, blah, blah. And that's such utter tripe because he's not being charged with just having the documents.

He is not. That's a really important part of this indictment. He is being charged on a conspiracy to obstruct justice. Yes. This is a orchestrated, intentional, long-term, multi-party conspiracy to withhold these documents after multiple attempts. There was a conspiracy to create a false certification after the first subpoena for these documents that he caused attorney number one to produce, which is why attorney number one is able to break the attorney client seal and talk to the fucking feds about this. Because if you make me commit a crime like i like the attorney client

seal does not work it's it's able to be broken if there is a commission of felony involved with that seal so like this is a much bigger deal the people who are i think in the court of public opinion poo-pooing this aren't what they're trying to do is recast it in a way that is not true to the text of the indictment. I think you're right. I think, you know, when you read through the indictment, it very much has that sort of, you know, like he is clearly not, it's not like he shouldn't have this stuff. Yes, he shouldn't have that stuff. And it is listed in there that he shouldn't have this stuff. It's also listed in there that he shouldn't be showing this stuff to other people, right? That's also a crime.

That's also something that's a crime. And I'm not, you know, I'd have to re-look at it, but really it's obstruction. It's mostly obstruction. It is mostly him moving boxes place to place, him getting a subpoena and then saying, this is it. Here's the last 38 documents. And he still has 108 that they have to,

the FBI has to raid his apartment. And this isn't in a day. This isn't like this happened over a weekend. This is a year and a half of them trying to get the documents back. So, you know, don't let the narrative slip from where they said, oh, well, they didn't give him enough time to get it back. Because I saw his Trump, one of his lawyers or his ex-lawyers doing the rounds on a bunch of

different talk shows saying, oh, well, they just didn't give him enough time to get him back. No, he had plenty of time. He willfully, because if you read this indictment, he willfully went out of his way to basically lie to the Justice Department, or not to Justice, the National Archives, to say, I don't have anything else. This is the last of it. And then they had to go back. The National Archives had to wake up their one librarian who has the barcode thing.

And they said, nope, it turns out that I have 108 more missing things. And he's passed due. He has 20 cents on each day, 20 cents for each day, for each document. He's got to turn them in during the amnesty week or whatever that they have every year. One week a year where you can turn your fucking library books back in and they won't stick the dogs out. Dude, God, when I was a kid, I had the most egregious library finds. Like, I'm sure this will come as no surprise to you, Cecil.

Like, I had the most wildly egregious library finds. And it's not because I didn't get to the library a lot. I was at the library like every weekend. My dad would just drop me off every Saturday at the library. And I would just spend my Saturdays, just hours, just sitting and reading at the library and checking out.

He had to put limits on how many books I would bring home. And in part, because I just never remember to bring them back. I was just, I was going to the library

every week. I'd be like, yep, going to the library. I'd be like, I should gather my library. No, I just didn't do that part. I just be like, yeah, check out more books. I would have fucking library finds, like, I should gather my library. No, I just didn't do that part. I just like, yeah, check out more books.

I would have fucking library fines. Like, and this is in the like early nineties. Yeah. In the twenties of dollars. At like five cents a day, Cecil. Five cents a day, yeah. It was ridiculous. I didn't have 20.

And I never paid. Oh no. Like I never once paid a library fine. Cause I was like a 12 year old kid. You didn't have any money. Yeah. Whatever, I don't have 20 bucks. When I was,

when I was a kid, I had so much fines on the super tramp album that I almost considered keeping it and just paying the fine, but I wound up bringing it back. And I think they waived the fines eventually. They waived them eventually. Um, and I was able to check other stuff out,

but I had that super tramp album forever. Oh, I'll tell you a funny video rental story that's kind of similar. My buddy Dave, so his mom, my dad was very strict. His mom, like his fucking all bets were off.

Like Debbie, you could do whatever you wanted. And so she would let us just go to the video rental store and rent whatever we wanted. And she never cared. Like we'd have sleepovers at his house and like she never like supervised us in any way and so like i went over his house to spend the weekend or whatever and he had rented we're like 15 14 something like we're a garbage age right and he had rented basic instinct oh that motherfucker

just straight kept it he just kept kept it. I would have too. He just didn't take it back. That's the one with the Is that the one with the legs that she crosses over? Oh, yeah. That is a coming of age movie, my friend. That's what that is.

He just like straight, he's like, I remember being like, oh, yeah, we'll go over to like, because there were two video stores you could go to and the one of them was like also a baseball card shop um and he used to like to go to the one that was the baseball card shop because he was into baseball and collector cards and so I was like oh yeah I want to write like we're gonna hang out or whatever like let's rent a movie let's go over to I forgot what it was called cards and video whatever the fuck it was and he was just like yeah we can't go there anymore and I was like what do you mean he's a guy just can't really go there anymore i got too many

too many fees or whatever and i was like oh i got a little cali i can pay your fee and he's like no it's kind of a lot like we'll just go to the other one and then i like went back to his house and i just see like the fucking vhs tape of basic instincts still in his room and i was like that's why you didn why you never returned that. Okay, so. He just stole it. So speaking of things, speaking of your basic instinct

wanting you to keep things, let's talk about, let's talk about what's inside of some of this stuff. Because, you know, we allude to it, but they give a good listing of all the documents. And some of this stuff because we allude to it, but they give a good listing of all the documents

and some of these documents that he has access to that he can share with people. I mean, the list that you read of the items that they had to collect from him, this is not something that should be taken lightly. You know, he says it in one of the quotes they have of him, where they're like, people risk their lives for this stuff. And that's very true.

And the idea that he has access to information about our allies and things that they have in the field and some secrets that they might have, and the fact that he could just have those and they could easily just be sprung by someone else, that makes us look so fucking clown shoe in front of everybody in the world because our previous leader is such a fuck up

that he's carrying around classified really highly. I mean, these aren't just like, oh, it says top secret, somebody stamped top secret on it. You really shouldn't see this. This is stuff that you need special clearances to see. They literally had to have somebody who did have the clearances tell them what was in some of this stuff because they couldn't even open it. Yeah. Like how insane is that? Special master or whatever they had to have. Yeah. They had to like the these documents were so unbelievable this is like this is like like when we were did citation needed and it's like that that kid built a nuclear

reactor in his backyard and the cops were like whoa we gotta like call in entirely different professionals to disassemble this shit right because like we don't even have the tools necessary it's the same thing and this is, man. This is just like, there are documents in there. I know I was goofing around before, but there are documents in there that are labeled with basically every kind of oh shit label you can put on a document in the United States. Just about every label. Stuff that says like, nobody from a foreign country can look at this document so it can't be shared with leaders of any other other stuff that's that that indicates like okay we can only share this document with the leaders or like people with clearance from like a handful of you know very friendly ally nations there are other documents that have like six different kinds

of markings if you listen if you're a patron and you listen to me reading them, some of these things have so many markings on these documents, so many restrictions that essentially like kind of nobody, unless you're on a Discord server, I guess, should be reading these fucking documents. Like it is an unbelievable, these are unbelievably sensitive documents. These are, these are documents that discuss like the military readiness and capability of the United States, our military weaknesses, our nuclear capabilities, the military readiness and weaknesses of other nations.

This isn't like Kim Jong-un's love letters, man. Right. This is not like, oh, I kept an-un's love letters, man. Right. And this is not like, this is not like, oh, I kept an invitation to that time that the queen invited me to a ball, you know, and I should have turned it over, but I, yeah, like this is big time stuff, big time stuff. Yeah. You're absolutely right. This is not keepsakes. This isn't mementos. This isn't the, you know, the love letter his wife got from the president of France or Canada or whatever, you know, like this is important documents that, you know, and they even go to great lengths

in this indictment to tell you, you know, the people who were giving him this information were part of really important organizations in the United States that keep the highest levels of our government informed about, you know, up to the minute decisions and up to the minute important things that are happening around the world with our, our forces and our agents and our, you know, anything that has to do with the United States, uh, in a secret way, right. As any of our secret forces, this is all stuff that he had access to

and then just kept and then just kept. And, you know, we talk about him having that document of that war plan or whatever. But like, think about the fact that he kept that. Think about the fact that he went out of his way to be like, I want to keep this piece. This is a piece I want to keep. This has nothing to do with you anymore. It's like keeping your old account numbers after you leave your job. You don't do that. You don't keep the passwords and account

numbers of all, you know, the people who you had because you had to get into Josie's work laptop once in a while. You don't keep that stuff after you leave because the only reason to keep it is because you're going to do something shitty with it. And that's what he was going to do with that document. He even, I mean, you can hear him use his words to say, I want to show this to people and I can't. Yeah. Well, like, and again, there is no denying. So like, like he has in his public statements, he has said like, oh, well, you know, I declassified him. They've got this motherfucker on tape saying, I didn't declassify this. They've got him saying, I could have declassified this when I was president, but I didn't.

It's totes a secret. Like we have to pinky swear before I show this to you. You know, it was my call to do this, and I made the decision to not do it. I made the decision. And just steal it. And by the way, wink, wink, you shouldn't be seeing this.

Right. You know? And it's like, what the fuck? He is, like, I don't know this answer, but I suspect I know it. I believe that I've read, and I, I, see, so you correct me if I'm wrong or, or listeners can, but when you are no longer president, you lose your security clearances. Yes. You know, you can get, so he doesn't, yeah, they mentioned in here, I'm just

going to interrupt you real quick. I think they mentioned in here that previous presidents can get them, but they have to be granted by someone who currently has them. So you can get them back or you can, if it's a need to know basis, you can get them. But they literally explicitly say in here he had no need to know. Yeah. And so as of, you know, January 20th at noon, when he lost that job, when he lost all of those clearances. when he lost that job. See, he lost all of those clearances. So I think this is important. He no longer had clearance to look at those documents.

He stole them, man. He just fucking stole that shit. And he put the entire country at risk. He put us at risk. He put our allies at risk. You know, it's, I don't know because they don't say explicitly in the indictment which documents about like military readiness and like all that stuff that he stole because it's it's fucking theft.

Right. I don't know which. But like. It would not be difficult to imagine that it could be like Ukraine. Yeah. Right. And like the readiness. This is like this could be information that is

absolutely devastating if it falls into the wrong hands there was an article in the new york times today that putin tried and failed but tried and failed to have a anative, a U.S. operative assassinated just recently. Jesus. Just very, this was on the front page of the Times. The Cold War Part Two is actively being waged. These documents would be of immense value to the many foreign enemies that are abroad. And what we have also broadcast now, what this scandal has broadcast now to the many foreign enemies that are abroad. And what we have also broadcast now, what this scandal has broadcast now to the world

is a weakness in our system. Yes. Now everybody in the world knows we have, right? This is an embarrassment. And beyond an embarrassment, this problem, this scandal, the possibility of this scandal tells everybody that this is possible,

that our security is not as strong as it should be, that documents are out there floating, that perhaps if you want to gain access to these documents, if I'm a bad faith foreign national trying to gain access to important secrets, maybe I am going to knock on the door when fucking Biden's not home and search through his garage, right? Didn't he have somebody break in recently? I think he did. I mean, like,

if it's that easy to get into Biden's fucking residences or whatever, and he has those documents, how easy is it to get into fucking Mar-a-Lago? Like, I mean, seriously, you look like,

you know, you're dressed like one of the hitmen in one of those movies. You dress up like a waiter and you walk in and you know, you're dressed like one of the hitmen in one of those movies. You dress up like a waiter and you walk in and you whack a guy and you leave. And nobody knows you were there until the next day. Same thing could happen with these documents. Somebody could dress like a waiter, walk in, get whatever they want, take whatever photos they want and walk the fuck right out.

I mean, they're in a fucking bathroom for crying out loud. There's a lock on the door and people expect you to lock it. I know. The damage. It's amazing to me that Trump continues to do damage. The damage that this motherfucking piece of shit has done to this country. It's like even at this point point even though he was arrested even though he was booked even though like he's gonna stand trial for this he has exposed to the world

a security weakness of the united states intelligence community and now we have to and like there are always holes in in the intelligence of any nation. But one of the key things to do is to not tell people what your fucking weaknesses are. Yeah. Like you don't go around with a fucking neon sign, flashing it around and being like, here are the places I'm vulnerable. Oh, I'm a big, scary dragon with a big, scary green dragon, but I got one blinking red scale. And if you hit me there, I die, right?

No, you hide that scale amongst the green scale. You might have weaknesses, but you don't fucking highlight them. Yeah, I don't. You know what I mean? Yeah, the United States is going to be shitting out all its fucking sonic rings as soon as somebody hits it.

But you're absolutely right. How much damage, you know, how much damage could he have done in a second term? I mean, if this is him leaving office, could you imagine the kind of damage this guy does in a second term? This is a disaster for this country. I cannot believe, Tom,

I cannot believe that the Republicans haven't used this as the way to cut ties. This is a perfect opportunity. I know, man. to cut ties. This is a perfect opportunity. I know, man. To cut ties. You know, you're sort of milquetoast seeing Pence do it. You're seeing a couple other people use it as a way to say, no, that's fucked up.

You shouldn't have done that. And there's a couple of people, a couple of Republicans that are standing strong on this and saying, no, that's fucked up. But they still has so many people sniffing his asshole, following him around and doing his bidding because that is his bidding. To protect him is doing his bidding.

And he's basically allowing it to happen. And because it 100% benefits him. And the fact that these people have no spine and they won't stand up and say, no, this is wrong. This is wrong. Especially the people like that one-eyed Texan who was like a Navy SEAL

who's jumping out of planes in his fucking own commercials. He's fucking jumping out of, got a ripcord and he's pulling a parachute and he's got to go fight the liberals or whatever down in Georgia. You know, here's a guy who's toting his, his rooting, tooting ties to this fucking, to the military and how people,

you know, you gotta get down on one knee and suck their dick because they went overseas and were a clerk for a little while or whatever. But here's this guy who's gonna sell you the story of the military. And then the leader of our nation, the previous leader of our nation, the person who he supported,

basically fucking waggled his dick in all their faces. Yeah. And not just our military, our allies military. Yes. Yep. And this is, if you are an ally of the United States, you're going to be, you have to be now looking sideways. Like, I don't know what I want to share information with you. Yeah, man. Like, are they going to want to share information? And I wouldn't, I would not. And the thing is that there is a possibility, as horrifying as it is, there is a possibility that Trump will win in 2024. I think it's a long shot, but like, whatever. I thought it was a long shot the first time.

I'm wrong. It turns out all the time. So like, whatever. So like, all right, there's a possibility he wins in 24. Think about what that's going to mean for the trust and safety and relationships with our international partners, knowing that like, well, whatever, man,

if I say something to you or share information or intelligence with you or the United States in general, is it going to end up in your fucking golf club? Yeah, man. You know, I don't know. Who the fuck knows? Who knows?

So I think that if we fail to hold Trump accountable for this, really fail to hold him deeply accountable, I think we not only have failed to do justice, I think we not only have failed our political responsibility and our responsibility to the justice system itself and to the rule of law. But I think we will have irreparably and generationally, Cecil,

I really believe this, damaged international relations and trust in ways that may not be repaired in our lifetime. I don't think that's an exaggeration. The crazy pendulum in this country that swung so far over during Trump's run and Trump's elevation to office and then the first few years of the Trump presidency, the crazy pendulum kept swinging all the way through COVID, how nuts everything was. And it's starting to swing back where there's accountability. At least it seems like there's some repercussions for people's actions. You're starting to see that swing back. I just want to see this happen, not because I want to see comeuppance, even though that's

delicious, right? Even though it is delicious. And it's not like I don't want to see it. Of course I want to see it. But that's not the only reason why I want this to happen. I want this to happen because I want some semblance of normalcy back in the United States again. Oh my God, no.

Because it feels like we haven't had a normal day in the last fucking, I don't even know. At this point, it's like fucking seven years we haven't had a normal day. And seven straight years of crazy town and people saying stuff that you're just, you just look at them and think, what in the sweet fuck is happening in the world

where you think that's a true statement? And just to see a tiny bit of, you know, maybe people waking up, maybe this is, you know, it's one of two things, Tom, because you're saying he's got a thin chance of winning. It's either that he gets thrown away forever and people forget about him, or this is the fire that starts the Nazi party in the Reichstag or whatever. You know what I mean?

Like, this is one or the other. We're at an inflection point because they're talking about people, plenty of people all across the country, even Trump, as he's out there giving all these speeches is talking about how egregious this is and how the nation has to stand up. He's using biblical language now where he's talking about this is the end times and stuff.

So he's- Oh my God, I know. These are some dangerous people. And I really just want to see that fucking fire hose turned off so that, that we don't turn into, you know, the new Nazi Germany where there's a dictator,

because that could ease that we are at a point where that could easily happen. So do you think he gets out of this thing? What do you think? What is your conclusion? I don't think so. I, I hope he doesn't.

My hope is, is that, is that, uh, this sort of thing, there's no way to turn this around for him. After reading this and seeing this, it's not just him.

It's not just like, oh, I had some documents and you caught me with them. It's people moving documents around and you have proof. You have fucking text messages. You have text messages with them taking photos of classified fucking documents in your goddamn hotel or whatever it is, your club.

They have those photos and they're sending them back and forth. They're talking about what they're going to do. They're talking about how they have to treat you. That you are on tape waving a document around saying, I shouldn't show this to you. You are breaking the law. They have you breaking the law. This isn't just, oh, he said, she said, or, oh, we had to chase him down for some documents.

This is you actively showing these documents to other people and you actively trying to shuffle these documents around like some sort of weird three-card money. I feel like after hearing all this and seeing all the things he did to try to keep these documents and obstructing justice, if they don't prosecute him, no one, everyone can be above the law then. Yeah. Yeah. I truly, genuinely believe that there are only two ways out of this for Trump. I really

think there's two ways out. And way number one is he wins in 2024. Yeah. Way number two is any other Republican wins and then pardons him. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Because this is just so fucking damning. Or I guess way number three is the judge,

Eileen Cannon, just throws the fucking case for him. Yeah. Again, though, I think that there's probably some fail-safes in there to stop that. We'll see where it goes

as time goes on. I hope that she does either pass on it or she brings it and you get a chance to hear it. I am very curious to see where it goes. There's probably a lot of out for him on this, but this is so damning. After you see this and hear this,

it's so damning if he gets out of it that it's so egregious that there just genuinely isn't no justice. There is no justice if he gets out of it that it's so egregious that there just genuinely isn't no justice. There is no justice if he gets out of this. All right. Thank you for joining us. We hope you guys enjoyed this. I certainly learned a lot from reading this indictment and listening to it.

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