Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 707: Corned Beef Futures

Episode Date: August 10, 2023

Show Notes

This episode of Cognitive Dissonance is brought to you by our patrons. You fucking rock. Be advised that this show is not for children, the faint of heart, or the easily offended. The explicit tag is there for a reason. recording live from glory hole studios in Chicago, this is Cognitive Dissonance. Every episode we blast anyone who gets in our way. We bring critical thinking, skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big, or makes us mad. It's skeptical, it's political, and there is no welcome mat. This is certainly a day that you are listening to this show. Is this Thursday the day you're listening to this show?

Thursday. Let's say August the 10th. Why not? It's got to be. Today's the 3rd. Okay. No, you're right. Yes, it's August 10th.

August 10th. So you're listening to this show. We're recording it on the 3rd. I don't know what's happened between now and then. There could be another indictment, Cecil. They were talking about it last week on Thursday. I was watching the news, and they were saying that there was a possibility that they would release the one that's happening in Georgia soon.

Yeah, I heard. So something's happening in Georgia. Sometime between now and the 18th. Who knows, right? So like any minute now. Who knows, man? And when the next one comes out, regardless of if it's a month

that we haven't had it yet, we're still going to read it immediately and post it because it's just too good shit. All right, so let's do some news stories, Cecil. This story comes from the Daily Mail,

only the highest quality news sources for our listeners. I know that people get mad about the Daily Mail, so we apologize in advance. The Daily Mail is a piece of shit. There you go.

Okay. All right. Missionary. I found this story everywhere, though. I just, I wanted the one with the most pop-ups. Yeah, no. And you did a good job because there's four. And the most ads.

How many we got going here? What a fucking shit show of a website this is. Jesus, I'm surprised you don't fucking open the Daily Mail and get a fucking load in your face. This is like a cum shot. Like it's like a Bukkake website where there's just like a million cum shots in your face when you open it. This website feels like an early 2000s porn site. It really does.

It's just like boop. It feels like is there a boobie? Is there a boobie? It's gonna cover it with a fucking pop-up so you're using the wrong hand with the mouse and you accidentally click the ad. Yeah. You're just like, great, I'm fucking all malware. My computer's 100% titty malware now.

That's it. Do you remember that shitty movie we watched with Kirk Cameron where he's clicking on the pop-up movies and he gets so mad that he's beating up in front of the computer, he throws his computer away? But he throws the monitor away.

That's my favorite part. He's like, oh, you're a man. The monitor. He throws the thing away. It's so bad. It does a display of titties. Firehouse? What was it called?

Fireproof. Fireproof. That was it. Oh, my God. Everyone's a critic, Dax. Oh, God. It's so bad, bro. I still remember.

You and I did a double feature. I remember this to the day. We did a double feature. We watched High School Musical 1, 2, 3, 7. I don't know. I was saying, yeah. And Fireproof. We were doing a double feature we watched high school musical one two three seven i was saying yeah and fireproof we were doing a double header we were recording a double header so bad and i waited until like because it's me so it's like we were going to record on sunday morning we used to record sunday mornings at like nine o'clock or something and so i was like oh shit i gotta watch fireproof and high school musical like today for tomorrow's record but then i was like oh shit i gotta watch fireproof and high school musical like today

for tomorrow's record but then i was like oh god and then like i didn't watch him i didn't start watching him till like 10 o'clock so two in the morning yeah so it's like two in the morning it's me so i'm like pausing and getting snacks i finished up at like three and I was like, I don't know, like five and a half hours. So I like was like, I fell asleep on the couch. Oh, so bad. Oh, that was terrible. Anyway. So, so speaking of people who are throwing money away.

Yeah. So this story missionary goes on the run after being accused of blowing $33 million of Bible donations on diamonds, gambling, and $7 million of updates to his farm in a nine-year scheme. Here's what I want to say about this. I am happy that he decided to take the money

for Bibles and spend it mostly on something else that's very useless. Like, you know what? Like, expensive rocks and or expensive metals and or gambling. Like all of it's wasting your money. So he just was like, I'm just going to take it out of this column and put it in this other waste column. You've got a bunch of money earmarked for Bibles.

And he's like, I don't know, put it all on red. Put it all on diamonds. And I'm just like, yeah, all right, cool. Weren't you talking like two weeks ago where when you buy a diamond, it loses like half its value immediately? Like, there's such a bad, like jewelry is a terrible holder of value. It's so stupid. Yeah, actually, let me take that back. A diamond alone is not a bad holder of value.

All right, okay. But jewelry is a bad holder of value. Oh, okay, all right. So like, yeah. Yeah, because they control the market on diamonds, so they only release enough to make it so that there's

Well, if you're just buying the diamond, and you can buy it wholesale, they're not bad. But if you buy diamonds retail, yeah, it's fucking, it's not an

investment. What about the ones that they compress from a machine? The natural, or the lab diamonds? Lab diamonds are a third the cost of

mine. Are they really? They're still expensive. Yeah. Yeah. I actually don't buy, when I buy Haley jewelry for like an anniversary or something, I buy her Moissanite. Moissanite is like, it's visually almost indistinguishable from a diamond. It's 9.5 on the Moore's scale instead of 10.

So it's almost as hard as a diamond. And it's like a 10th of the price. No shit! Does she know? She's finding out now! Tom's the kid! Tom's got his pinky in the corner of his mouth the whole time.

We're going to get back to this guy. We're getting off track. Gambling. You steal millions of dollars and then you gamble with it. What are you hoping to win? Millions of dollars? I know you already had it.

You just stole millions of, you just gambled by committing the fucking theft. You already gambled and won. It's like selling corned beef to buy more corned beef. It's like selling corned beef to buy like corned beef. It's like selling corned beef to buy like corned beef futures. You know?

Like you just had corned beef. It's so true. It's so true because you don't have a, you just have a promise for possibility of corned beef. What the fuck? I get like gambling. It's a fucking farm future. They're like, but I had a sandwich like a minute ago.

What am I doing with my money? I wish it was corned beef futures. Oh, God. Where it's like, what's the market on corned beef today? Buy, sell, eat. The corned beef futures. You just put on a big fucking roulette wheel and rolled her out of the fucking... That's the greatest thing ever, man.

We talked about this before. I would be so good at being rich because this guy was rich. You would be good. And he took the money and he's gambled it. I would take the money and keep it. I know. I know.

You have an opportunity to have that kind of money. And then, like, these people are always so sloppy with it. They're always, like, coming to the meeting with, like, $100 bills hanging out of their pants or whatever. And they're like, oh,

sorry, I dropped $60,000 in cash on the floor on accident. What? I stole some money? Okay, so I'll tell you a story. At my company, I work for a title insurance company. At my company years and years ago, before I was there, years and years ago, there was a guy who had

like an administrative level position. But he had access to the computer in such a way that allowed him to steal a bunch of money. Oh! Like, much big money. And he did. He stole a bunch of money. Oh! Like, much big money. And he did. He stole a bunch of money. We were a great big company. We covered the loss. It didn't hurt us at all. But, like, he stole a bunch of money.

And I only know this story because, like, he was a guy with, like, an admin job who would dress way past his, like, he would, like, you know, come into work wearing, like, designer clothes. He had a boat. He had like all this stuff that's like, I stole your money. Did he get arrested? Yeah. Okay. And like, because like.

He had a corned beef future hanging out. He had a corned beef future hanging out. He had a whole boat made of corned beef futures. And I'm just like, man, if I stole money on Friday, guess who you don't find Monday? Monday, I'm gone. I'm burning my birth certificate behind me. I was told a story by someone who works in a church. And they were telling me, they used to work in a church.

And they were telling me about this story about like how they went into some guy, one of the guy's office is, and they just found like so much cash and they found the cash. Cause this is the guy who was in charge of the, the plate. So they pass the plate around and this guy collects the cash. Well, he just never took it to the, to the deposit. Yes! And so this lady who was working for this church sat down on the ground with another co-worker and they counted it all out. And then they

took pictures of them rolling in it. It was $14,000 that the person had in their drawer unsecured. What? Just sitting there, this person had in their drawer unsecured. What? Just sitting there. This person had to leave work for an extended period of time and they had to go in his office and they found all this money.

And they're like, holy shit, he hasn't been depositing this stuff. And they had to count all. It was $14,000 worth of money just randomly sitting in someone's desk. There had to be small bills. And it was all small. It was all like once and that's so much physical money cecil briefcase full of money it's like fucking breaking bad pallets of money lock stock and two smoking barrels fucking duffel bag full of money

so my dad two more quick so like one when i was a kid this is not going to reflect well on me when i was a kid i was 17 18 uh i was a jan me. When I was a kid, I was 17, 18. I was a janitor at the church. My dad and I went to a Methodist church. And so I was the janitor at that church with my dad for a while. And I would clean the office. And I would steal $10 because I found the same thing. I would open the desk drawer and there'd be this big thing of money.

And I always steal $10. Never $20, but always $10. Because $10 back in the early 90s bought you a CD. And so I would clean the office, clean the church, and I would just oh yeah, I feel really bad about it. Cry myself to sleep every night. That church didn't get that $10. $10, yeah.

But my dad used to work. You used to steal $20. My dad used to work many years ago at the i could get a double set he's the rush box set i can get the whole like melancholy and the infinite sadness box set you know it's fucking mid 90s stevie nicks double but like my dad uh many many many many years ago he worked for a bank that doesn't exist anymore. And they had a theft. I don't remember how much, but it was big money, big money theft. And so, you know, it was on my dad's like floor or whatever that all this money got stolen. So he's in a big high rise.

He's not like a local bank with like a teller where you bring the money. He's like in a big high rise bank in the city. But they had stores of gold bars and shit there. My dad used to actually earn overtime money counting money, like for the holidays, for Christmas money. He would go and physically count and audit money, the physical paper money. So they had vaults and all this.

So somebody stole a bunch of money. Don't know how, don't know the details. But what I know of the story is that they lie-detectored everybody on the floor, on my dad's floor. And when they got to my dad, he's like, if I stole the money, I wouldn't be here for you to lie-detect her. And I remember being like, yeah, who would? But it's this guy. It's this fucking guy. This guy who steals $30 million and can't think of anything better to do than go play fucking blackjack with him.

Well, he doesn't think that this—I think a lot of these people don't think that it's going to end they think that they're always going to get away with it yeah you know he still steals some an intense amount of money but you know the thing is is like the one thing that makes me crazy about the story is that there's that much money out there to just buy bibles for people oh i know that makes me crazy because it's like that money could go to so many good things, housing people, feeding people, you know, doing real good aid. But instead it's this,

all this obscene amount of money. You know, this is somebody's entire work life, right? One person or two people's entire work life, maybe. Maybe even more than that. It could be seven people's entire work life. I don't know. It's a lot of money, right? Think about how much clean water that is. Yeah. Think about, just think about how many people's entire world. I don't know. It's a lot of money, right? Think about how much clean water that is.

Yeah. Just think about how many people you can put. You could build a center for people. Yeah, man. There's a lot of things you could do with this. And to just buy Bibles and that's your charity is not charity. No, it's not. That's a bullshit charity.

And how many times, and you know why it's bullshit too, is how many times have we covered on this show, Bible scam, this happens all the time. Yeah, all the time. Because if what you really wanted to do, like if you're so fucking stupid that you've got $30 million and the best thing you can think to do to proselytize with $30 million is to buy a bunch of books and hand them out,

you're a fucking idiot. Nobody actually thinks that. If I wanted to proselytize and I had $30 million, I would buy a bunch of books and hand them out. You're a fucking idiot. Nobody actually thinks that. If I wanted to proselytize and I had $30 million, I would buy a TV station. I would open a church. I would open a mission. I would do things with that $30 million

that would help me spread this message way more effectively than buying a bunch of fucking books. And everybody knows that. That's why these Bible things are always a scam. Yeah. They're always a hundred percent of the time. They're an enrichment for someone.

But I also recognize too, like what would happen. The worst part about this story is that even if this, these people had the money to actually do some real good in the world, what they would do is they would do both. And they would buy the Bibles and then make you take them and make you be religious to get their help. Yeah, right. And that happens all the time too.

All the time. Where you have to follow a certain very strict set of rules in these places that are very, you know, Christian rules. Or you have to listen to Bible verses or go to a fucking church or whatever inside these places to get a sandwich or whatever. Yeah, man. Yeah. They absolutely condition their love and help and acceptance. Yeah, man. Yeah. They absolutely condition their love and help and acceptance on this fucking message receiving bullshit.

Yeah, it's all around this. You see, I love the Lord. You understand what I'm saying? I love the Lord. And if loving the Lord is wrong, I don't want to be right. So this story comes from BBC News. Belfast Pride street preacher claims remarks were taken out of context.

Tom, what did he say? So this is a guy who is talking about accusing gay people of being rapists and child sex abusers. And then when he gets caught on it, he's like, well, that was taken out of context. Yeah, he says that they're rapists and child abusers. He also goes on to say, he says, he says, well, I have homosexual friends, which means you don't, by the way. Cause if you say that you probably don't know, nobody's like, I'm your homosexual friend. Nobody says that. Um, but, but not only that, he says, I have homosexual friends, but I love God more is what he said. And what that means is, no, you don't. You just tolerate other people,

even if you do, which you don't. I don't believe you. But even if you did, you're just tolerating them for this fucking magical sky person that you worship. That's all you're doing. Yeah, and I don't even believe that. I don't believe him either. I don't believe him.

There's no reason to believe somebody like this. Also, the reason I grabbed this is like, there's no out of context for this kind of messaging. I don't care what bookends your hate. Unless you're saying like I just did a moment ago,

some asshole in Belfast is accusing gay people of being... Then that would be taken out of context. If somebody literally misquoted me, but he's not saying he was misquoted. What he's saying is, you know, you really didn't consider everything. He literally does say, you're really not considering, you know, the whole breadth of everything I had to say.

You're focusing on this 18 seconds of vitriolic, mean-spirited, evil hatred. It's like, man, maybe don't say shit like that. Why are you saying evil shit? If you sat ahead of it like, I think gay people deserve to exist, but I think they're groomers. Right. Okay, well, it doesn't matter what you said before. I don't care about your caveat.

I don't care about any of this caveat shit. And, you know, I'm just sick of all these terrible, terrible people who get caught saying something that everybody says, how fucking dare you? And then they don't have the courage to stand up for it. Yeah, man.

Stand up for it. If you're a shitty person, at least have enough courage to say you're shitty. You know what? And some of those hate preachers do. Yeah. The Greg Lox of this world. That's true.

They're just like, you know what? That's true. Here's who I am. Here's what I have to say. And it's like, yeah, that's who you are. I heard what you have to say. I think you're a piece of human trash. That's true. They're just like, you know what? That's true. Here's who I am. Here's what I have to say. And it's like, yeah, that's who you are. I heard what you have to say. I think you're a piece of human trash.

Yeah. But weirdly, you have more integrity than this liar. Yeah, this guy, this guy is, this guy's trying to,

he's trying to have his cake and eat it too. Right. You know, he's trying to be able to be a shitty person and get away with it. Yeah.

And the thing is, Greg Locke is a shitty person and he takes some shit for it. Yeah. Well, and this guy too, he tries to retreat into, what, nowke is a shitty person, and he takes some shit for it. Yeah. Well, and this guy, too, he tries to retreat into, what, now all of a sudden we can't say Christian things in a Christian country? Yeah, you're like, dude, you're saying hateful shit. And if that is Christian, then no. Yeah.

Well, look, you can't espouse hate speech. There's laws in your country. The problem, though, is because there's, you know, clearly in their country there's a problem. But in our country, that would be perfectly fine. It'd be fine. Perfectly fine. You're allowed to be a hateful shithead to gay people. Absolutely.

Totally allowed in our country because we fucking hate gay people here. Yeah, well, we fucking are weird. We don't protect them, that's for sure. We don't. We don't. We absolutely are not protecting them properly. No. All I need is a couple of prints to lock this whack job up till doomsday.

This story is from CBS News. Lori Vallow Daybell sentenced to life in prison without parole in Doomsday Mom murder case. This was something we've been talking about for a while. She was, she has some very strange things, but

I want to read a couple of things that she said here because she is definitely, there's, there's a lot going on. There's a lot going on. I want to read part of this too. She says,

quote, Jesus Christ knows the truth of what happened here. Jesus Christ knows that no one was murdered in this case. She claims to have communicated with the spirits of her children and her eternal friend, Tammy Daybell quote, I've had many communications to Jesus Christ, the savior of the world and our heavenly parents.

I've had many angelic visitors who have communicated with me, who have manifested to me. Because of these communications, I know for a fact that my children are happy and busy in the spirit world. Because of my communications with my friend Tammy Daybell, I know that she is also very happy and extremely busy. And I hate to talk about this,

but what the sweet fuck are you talking about? Like, she equates killing someone and as long as they have activities in heaven, I mean, what in the fuck is happening in that fucking squirrel that is running around in your head that you call a brain? The only reason I grabbed this story is to criticize

the busy part. That's it. That's it. Because we talked about this lady before, and I just think she's obviously mentally ill. She is. But I'm just like, man, when I die and go to heaven, I gotta get a job. You're always busy. Like, when I die, I want to be like, it's like I'm on fucking vacation. Call me next millennium.

We are. But I think I actually thought it was like kind of an interesting commentary about like how work obsessed we are in America that we that we conflate being busy with goodness. No, you're right. You're right. And she like really. But she's like, look, my kids are busy. This lady, she's busy. Busy means good. Activity, always produce, always produce,

always be blood in the gears. Like for real, it like really was just this like hyper Americana capitalist kind of slip built into her obviously religious insanity. Yeah, yeah. And she's the one who like murdered her kids and this other person. Yeah, buried them in the yard.

Buried them in the yard and stuff. But you're right. They're going to send her away for the rest of her life. And she clearly, when they're talking to her, she's in spirit mode where she's talking to her children and stuff. Like this is a person who is mentally unwell. She is, I think she's, I think that, I think that one tragedy, one more tragedy in this case is that this is a person who I think very obviously is mentally unfit. Yeah.

Right. She, I think, I think she has no fucking idea what's going on. No fucking idea what's going on. No fucking idea what's going on. Yeah. And the justice system is like, well, tough shit. Go to prison. Yeah. You know, and not like, okay, go to a psychiatric facility.

Yeah. And maybe you go to a psychiatric facility and you never get out. I don't know. No, I imagine that you don't. I imagine that you don't. But I, I. She's not going to get services. But you also recognize too that like, this is not a fit person.

It's like the same thing when they executed the people who are, you know, mentally unwell. Right. The Bush executed. Oh, yeah. You know, these are people who don't—they don't understand what happened. Yeah, people with, like, really low IQs that are—they're not unqualified to fully understand the gravity of what's going on. Yeah, and they're getting executed because, you know, because that gets you votes. Because that's fucking Texas.

Yeah. First Amendment gives us the right to say what we want. Shut the fuck up! This story is from CNN. Oklahoma lawsuit seeks to block opening a first publicly funded religious charter school in the United States. Yeah, publicly funded. I'm glad somebody is going to sue them about this. I am too, but I think it's going to go all the way up to the Supreme Court.

I actually think, if I remember right, I think the Supreme Court is set to hear a case that's very similar to this. And I think that all indications seem to be leaning toward they'll let it go. And if that happens, we are really looking at, in this case, the school is not like nominally religious. The school is, in their charter, basically saying like, we are an evangelistic school.

We intend to evangelize. We believe, and like one of the people It's like an archdiocese. One of the people supporting this is like, we want to challenge this stuff in court because we want to challenge the mainstreaming of atheism in America's schools. Yeah, which is not true. It's not true.

It's not true. Like secularism is not atheism. Yeah, yeah. Like it's not atheist to go to Walgreens. You're allowed to. Right? Just because it's not like overtly religious when I go to Walgreens.

I would argue that it is overtly religious. Well, I guess it is. Walgreens is actually a bad example. Walgreens is a bad example. Well, it's a terrible example. I don't know why I said that one. Hobby Lobby, religious? No,greens. I would argue that it is overtly religious. Well, I guess it is. Walgreens is actually a bad example. Walgreens is a bad example. Well, it's a terrible example. I don't know why I said that one. Hobby Lobby, religious? No, like, fuck.

I should have picked- Chick-fil-A. What? I should have picked almost anything else, actually. I don't know why- There's a lot of fucking religious companies, though, it turns out. But like, if I go to the local Honda dealer- Yeah.

Right? Like, if I go to buy a car- It's a-religious. It's secular. It's a-religious. Right. There's no religion, right? And they tend to think that it's a-religious. It's secular. It's a-religious. There's no religion, right? And they think, they tend to think

that it's anti-religion. Right. Or it's teaching a set of beliefs that doesn't believe in religion, but it's separate from that. There's no mention of it. Right. And so you can just do what you want. You can just teach that shit at home.

If you want to teach that there was a fucking ark with a dude on it and a bunch of animals and they had to sit outside for a bunch of time and it's the most ridiculous story in the world. And the Grand Canyon came from a big rainstorm. 100% teach that to your kids. You can absolutely

do that. And they're going to learn something different in school and you could be like, school's wrong. And your kids will believe you, probably, And they're going to learn something different in school. And you could be like, school's wrong. And your kids will believe you probably because they're kids. And you can absolutely indoctrinate them. And that's been happening for decades and decades and decades and decades. So we don't have to worry about, but you know, it's interesting. I had a conversation today. I have a friend who's a law professor and an immigration attorney. And we were talking and I mentioned this story to him. And he said, I'm one of the few people, because he belonged to a group that was called Church State.

And it was a group of people that were trying to integrate both law and theology to try to get them so that they could coexist together. Oh, wow. And he was always on the far secular liberal side of that discussion, saying religion has no place in politics. He was always in the room as the person to say, he's a Protestant reverend.

He's a, you know, this is a guy who's a very religious person, a very religious person. And he is 100% against things like this, hates this idea because he recognizes, because he's smart enough to recognize that it's not everybody's religion that's getting taught there. It's a very specific religion that's being taught through our federal money. And that's not right. You know, and I just, again, like, I don't want to be like that old fucker, but we've been doing this a long time. I think back to the early 2000s,

and I think back to how up in arms America would have been at the idea of a state-sponsored madrasa. Madrasa. You bet. You bet, Tom. Right? What's the difference? There's no difference. There needs to be a Satanist school that opens up in Oklahoma if this is the case. I think there needs to be a Satanist school. And I think if I was some Muslim group, I'd be like, cool, where's my fucking state money?

I would 100% open up a Satanist school in this if that's the case. State money goes to it. Awesome. Because if that's the case, you've got to show them this is where you're wrong. You won't allow this if it was Satanism. There's 100% fact they wouldn't allow it if it was Satanism. Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay, Pudi, I'll play back the levels the way you said them. No instruments, no vocals, no levels, everything silent. Say it on me. Bleed. Everything's silent.

Say it on me. Bleed. Speaking of Islam, Tom, Jesus Christ. So this is, this story's from BBC. Afghanistan, Taliban burn immoral musical instruments. We haven't talked too much about the Taliban after they seized control and retook Afghanistan. When Biden pulled U.S. troops out, that country's interim government,

which had been propped up and held in place by the United States military for 20 plus years, just, it instantly crumbled. It crumbled within like a day or two. It was fast. It was unbelievably swift. And go back and listen to some of the New York Times stuff on that.

Because I think there was some dailies and some New York Times audio stuff that because I think there was some dailies and some New York Times audio stuff that was happening that was really compelling about people very panicked to leave because the Taliban is an oppressive regime. And they are, I just want to be very clear,

they are a dark ages regime. They're a very oppressive, shitty regime. This is like the misogyny and the evil that they bring with them every place they go. That is a direct result of their religious beliefs. Yeah. Can't be overstated.

No. They are burning musical instruments. They've banned before the United States went in, which I did not support then. And I did not. I don't support it now. We never should have done it. But like before the United States went in, the Taliban had banned all music. It was off the radios, off television the Taliban had banned all music.

It was off the radio. It was off television. It was out of movies. They're just fucking, they're just like, it's 2023, man. I know, man. And they're just like, yeah, we don't do music. There's a rover on Mars and one large country doesn't allow music. Music, Cecil.

Yeah, no, I get it. They just shut down all the salons and hairstylists. Yeah. They're just gone. That's just it. Women can't go to college anymore. They can't go to work anymore. They're back with everything but their eyes covered. Yeah.

I saw a video the other day of a woman in, I didn't watch the whole video because it was disturbing, but there was a video of a woman walking down the street in Afghanistan unaccompanied, and she got the shit kicked out of her. Jesus Christ. Because that's what happens in these countries, right? Like this is a group of people that is a rabid patriarchy run by a bunch of shitty dudes who want to just oppress people. Absolutely.

And they use their religion as a weapon to do that. They use it as a weapon to oppress every single female there. This is a terrible, shitty regime. And you're right. I mean, like this is one of those moments where you, you sit back and you look at the world and you look at the world that you were talking about, you know, in the early two thousands, when we were talking about how bad the Taliban was and how bad some of these areas on the globe were. You know, even still, look at some of these other Islamic countries that have some real serious problems. You know, witch police in other places where they send out these superstitious police to go do stuff. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that happens because of religion.

And understand, it's powered by the patriarchy. A hundred percent. because of religion and understand it's powered by the patriarchy a hundred percent powered by the patriarchy and they weaponize the religion because they recognize people will believe it and obey it well look it's it's all a big fucking circle right like some guys made this religion up yeah it's not that like it's not like the religion sprung up organically and not from people yeah it's not it because we know it's not true, then we know that this is just some shit people made up. Yeah.

And it's not just people made up. Some fucking dudes made this up, right? Yeah, they made it up to oppress women. And then, yeah, and then generations and generations of other men teach other men and teach other men and teach other men how to continue this oppression. How to continue treating women as chattel. Yeah. to continue this oppression. Absolutely. How to continue treating women as chattel. And how to continue to beat them

and to suppress them and to create like, to create a world, an entire world, an entire country, generations, people who live and die exclusively under like terror and exclusively under depredation and violence

and like all of this stuff is fueled by that vicious cycle of exactly it, of religious sponsored patriarchy and patriarchy sponsored religion. And they cannot, they are so inextricably linked within Islam. They are inextricable.

You can't have just one or you can't have Islam without patriarchy. You can't have it. And I'll point out too, that there's plenty of times where, especially even in this country, where there was a lot of freedom that was afforded to women

when the United States came in. There was a lot of freedom afforded to women and that's why they're starting to ban all this stuff because the women had a lot of freedom at that point. And so things can change and they can turn around and that country can be the same level of religious right you know what i mean like it can be the people can still worship

the same way they were worshiping except for now there's just not some crazy government in charge that is that is there literally to oppress them yeah well Like the thing is like the government of these like Islamic countries, there is no secularization of their government. Yeah. The government and the religion are the same thing. You've got, you know, you got this problem in Iran,

you know, where like, like the, the fucking modesty police were kidnapping and beating and fucking killing women for not wearing fucking hijabs. You've got this problem in Saudi Arabia where up until recently, women couldn't drive, but women are still deeply oppressed, crazy oppressed. Can't leave the house in some places.

Can't leave the house without a minder, a male minder. Like fucking morality police and fucking witch finders. Everywhere that, I mean, just the truth is, like everywhere that Islam spreads to, like North Africa, it brings intense violence against women. Intense, unrelenting violence against 51% of the population. This is just, it's a shit ideology. It's lying. None of it's true.

It's all made up by some dudes in order to have power over other people. Yeah. If you hold out too long, you could jeopardize your credit rating. Very often, we don't get to talk about the things that we sort of have a little bit of background in. This feels like something

you might have a little background in, Tom. This is the credit rating. So this is kind of interesting. It's from NBC News. The White House blames the GOP after Fitch downgrades the U.S. credit rating. What does that mean? Well, so the credit – so like there's a bunch of like major international credit rating agencies. And they basically are – it's similar to like – in very similar ways to like your credit or my credit.

They're basically rating entire nations' economies and saying like here is a – like the USA has always been – well, not always, but we've had fluctuations. But we're typically a AAA credit rating, which means that like anyone looking to buy bonds, like American securities and bonds, we are a good risk. A country that is less economically sort of stable would not have the same credit rating. And so buying bonds in that country would carry with it greater risk and potentially greater reward, but greater risk for sure. So the U.S. has always been a very stable economy. And Fitch or Fitch's recently came out and was like, hey, you know what? After that, and really they pointed to a lot of things.

But one of the articles that I read about this is more than just the one. One of the articles really said that like they really took a look at the hullabaloo around almost shutting down our government and not passing. Yeah. What was the recent economic fight that we just had with the Republicans? It was the debt ceiling. The debt ceiling. We almost didn't raise the debt ceiling, which would have caused us to default on all of our debts. Yeah.

And they're basically like, your government's dysfunctional. And that poses downstream risks to the entire international economy. And that dysfunctional government actually makes the United States no longer a AAA credit-rated country, which is insane. We're the largest economy in the world. It's insane. And, you know, the thing is this is what you sow when you do this sort of thing. When you play chicken with the U.S. economy, when you try to get your way without thinking about what it does, what the ripple effects it's going to have on the economy.

They didn't think that through. And I remember how sort of staunch Joe Biden was about this. And I remember the things he was saying was, basically, don't fuck with this. Whatever you do, don't fuck with this. And I think he eventually convinced them not to fuck with it. It's funny because I saw a couple things this week that were sort of down on Joe Biden. A couple things.

One of them was just a TikTok where a guy was, you know, dancing and saying, you're really going to make me vote again for Joe Biden or something. And he did this thing. And I got to say, I know that there's a lot of people who want to shit on Joe Biden. And I'll be honest, I was a reluctant Joe Biden. I know. I'm very reluctant Joe Biden voter. I'm a very reluctant Joe Biden voter. But I got to say, so many things that I've been, and I feel like I've been wrong. I was kind of wrong about them,

especially this. And I want to mention this on the show because it's something I didn't mention. It's not really related to this, but I wanted to mention it. A while back, Joe Biden was working with the train companies to try to get those people to work with that strike. And I was upset with Joe Biden because he basically canceled the strike. And they wound up – the train companies didn't – they wound up leaving some stuff on the table. It was sick pay that they left on the table. It was a very – I was very upset by it because I was like, don't fucking cancel that. If it goes to it, it goes

to it. The train companies are spreading propaganda that's going to shut the nation down, but I've read other stuff that said that it wouldn't. You should at least let it run for a little while. Don't fuck with their strike. But he said, look, don't worry. We'll try to get this stuff for you. Joe got it for him. That's awesome. He got

their time. So that time off that they wanted to get, I saw a union bulletin come across my feed. The time off that they wanted, he never let up. He kept talking to them and pushing them. And he, they credit Joe Biden for getting that time off for that union. That union walked away from the table so that the country wouldn't shut down. And so there would be the deliveries that have to be delivered. And he kept at it and they conceded and he got that for them. And the union was the one that sent that bulletin out.

This wasn't a bulletin from the trains. It wasn't from those people. It was from the union that said, thank you, Joe Biden, for doing this for us. So I was pissed off at him for that. And I'm very happy that he followed through and he did the right thing, right?

Because I was like, what the fuck, man? These are people that are going to be stuck without sick time now. And you basically shoehorned him into this position, but he, he kept going. And I think that that's an, that's one of those things that I think it's real easy to look at him and say,

ah, he's old or, oh, he's, you know, he's not going to do anything or he's, he's the same side. He's just the same side of,

you know, it's this, it's two, it's one coin. They're both the same side, essentially. And that's just not true. It's not, it's not true the same side, essentially. And that's just not true. It's not true.

It's not true. And this is another example of that. The other side of the coin wanted to fucking run us off a cliff. And he was like, don't fucking do that. And he convinced them to come to the table, and he gave some things that he thought he could give to make this happen. He's the one who had to give something up because these people, make no mistake, the Republicans would have fucking run us into the gutter if they could have. Yeah, I completely agree.

I think Joe Biden, and I don't want to get into the whole Biden thing, but I think Joe Biden so far has been incredibly impressive. Yeah. Incredibly impressive. He's had major legislative wins, major big-time legislative wins. Not. Incredibly impressive. He's had like major legislative wins, major big time legislative wins, not one, but several. Yeah. Major big time legislative wins.

I think he's delivered on his promise to be the guy who can get shit actually accomplished. I think he just doesn't pat himself on the back. He doesn't blow his own horn because he's busy working. Yeah. I think he's a guy who's just busy working all the time. I was a reluctant Biden voter, but I'm happy that I voted for him now

and I will vote for him again. I will happily vote for him again. I hope there's no primary in fight because I'd like to vote for him again. I think he's done a pretty good job with the things that he's had. He's only had two years of a good Congress and a good... Right.

And it really wasn't. It was very... Barely. A very receptive or right. And it really wasn't, it was very, very receptive or, uh, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't a Senate that was very friendly,

right. Especially because it had members in it that would easily flip to the other side. So he had to, he had to, you know, massage some things in and he did some really impressive stuff there. But I also,

also very much respect the fact that he followed through on that. I think that's a lot of integrity, and I think that's great. Boris, I've got a special. When can you work him in? I couldn't possibly sneak him in until Monday, sir. I'm booked solid. Monday. Splendid.

I gotta just read parts of this story, Cecil. This story's from the Rolling Stone. Trump extremists make new calls to hang Mike Pence. Watch his toes dangle, end quote. Yeah, so this is a whole story about these online message boards. Once Mike Pence, we talked about this on the show earlier this week, Tom, where Mike Pence had come out and said against Trump, like anybody who would put themselves over the Constitution shouldn't be president.

That was basically what he said. And immediately on these message boards, like this Donald.win or whatever it's called, they went crazy. And so there's a couple things in here you should read. The top comment on the Pence post called for divine retribution against the traitor. It reads, may God strike him down for his lies and treachery

to the American people. But as other commenters piled on, they fantasized about a public execution of Pence at a gallows. Quote, I want to watch his toes dangle in the breeze, wrote user Big Mike's Harry Dong. Thank you. Thank you so much for the philosopher Big Mike's Harry Dong and his take on this.

You know, when I think of the great American philosophy, I think of Benjamin Franklin. Yes, yes, yes. I think of Jefferson Monroe and Big Mike Harry Tom. You know, Cecil, I know I'm out of touch. I know I'm not a tech guy. I know. Harry Tom.

I know. But it's really hard, Cecil. It's really hard to take a world full of avatars seriously. You know? Like, it's really hard to be like, there's people gathered in a room somewhere, like the FBI or something, and they're like looking at a very serious dossier.

We've heard some online chatter. It seems to be credible threats to the ex-vice president. It says, from user Big Mike's Harry Dong. And I just wonder, like, we're not living in the real world anymore. We are not living in the real world. Oh, man. Big Mike's Harry Dong. All right, so Big Mike's Harry Dong.

I want to stand beside you as a witness, wrote user Totally Passable, adding, I want to pull the lever. This user made it clear he didn't want the violence to end with Pence. I long for the day we the people pull these traitors out of their seats screaming, knowing full well what is coming for them and why it's coming. That's fucking psycho. Dude, it gets even crazier. That's psycho speak. Instead of recoiling at the call to execute pence other users joined the call for mob violence no long drops said another user echoing many of the replies humane execution should be off the table what we are so far beyond a political conversation. What are you talking about? Humane execution? What is your idea of humane executions?

Are you saying like we can't hang, guillotine, or inject them or shoot them? Like what are you saying? I think they're saying no. Are they going to draw and quarter him? I think what they're saying, no long drops. They mean don't hang him so his neck breaks. Hang him so he strangles. Oh.

That's what that means. Nice. So like back in the day, they would like avoid the long drop so you would just dangle. That sounds... That's what they're like. They want to torture people to death in public. It sounds unpleasant, Tom.

Do you remember when we used to be like, let's have a rousing conversation about taxes. Yeah. Now we're just like, maybe we should slowly torture and kill the ex-vice president. You know, look. And we're just like, maybe we should slowly torture and kill the ex-vice president. You know, look. And we're Republicans.

I don't disagree that there are probably people around all throughout history that immediately thought, I want to kill this person who is on the other side of the... For sure. I imagine that there is probably

almost certainly people out there. But now there's a fucking chat room for them. And they all get together in the same chat room and they all fucking tune each other up and they all get mad together and they all want to fight each other and the people who might not have been there get there in this room. Oh, yeah. Right?

So you might not be there completely, but you're close, and then you get tuned up by these people, and now you're there. And this is a group of people who are literally calling for the previous vice president to be killed, and they are 100% down. Like, I think I genuinely feel like you need to be breaking somebody's door down. Yeah, you do. 100% down. Like, I think, I genuinely feel like you need to be breaking somebody's door down. Yeah, you do.

I also just, like, I keep thinking to myself, how insane must it feel to be a Republican right now? How crazy do you have to feel? It was, so here's you as a Republican. It's November 1st, 2020. And you're like, yeah, Bill Barr's great. Mike Pence is awesome. Good guys. Love him. like, yeah, Bill Barr's great. Mike Pence is awesome. Good guys. Love him.

Then like nothing, nothing happens. Two weeks later, you got to be like, fucking Bill Barr. Fuck that guy. That guy's a fucking traitor. You're right. He's now a piece of shit. You're right. Then like six weeks later, you're like, I will literally kill Mike Pence. The guy that I, like, these are the same guys who, when we watch the debate, when we watch the vice presidential debate, these are the, literally, there are going to be, you know that there were people watching that debate, watching that fly crawl its way around his fucking greasy fucking mother head.

Like, there were people that were like, that's my guy. Yeah. That's my guy. Then, like, nothing, nothing. Time passes. And they're just like, we literally want to kill him. Yeah. That's my guy. Then like nothing, nothing. Time passes. And they're just like, we literally want to kill him. Yeah. You're not wrong.

I feel like there is a lot of, there's a lot of, you got to change your mind on a dime. Yeah. There's a lot of that because, and it really is the vicissitudes of Trump's whim. Yeah. They are attuned to. So whatever Trump says is the thing. And if Trump is mad at Pence, Pence needs to die. If Trump is mad at Barr, Barr needs to die. And these people, you know, look at, look at the people that were part of Trump's regime. And you look at them, and they were bad people.

These are not good people. Bill Barr is not a good person. No, he's a shithead. He's a bad fucking human being. Not a good person. Yeah, no. Right? No. Any of his fucking 16 secretaries of state were not good people.

Right? Yes. Right. These were not great people. They all had some integrity because he fired every one of them. He got rid of every one of them. Some of them left before they could be fired, but he got rid of every one of them.

They all had some integrity because they wound up standing up to him for something. At some point, they rubbed him the wrong way. But you're right. Every single one of those people is someone who they want to see die. They want to see that person go. They want to see that person get killed. And it's because Trump will call them an animal. And I'm surprised.

I am genuinely surprised there hasn't been more attempts on some people's lives. Me too. I am genuinely surprised there hasn't been a moment where people are like, oh, Trump said he doesn't like bill barr and then somebody goes after him yeah i am too like i i do think that most of these keyboard warriors are just keyboard warriors right like big mike's harry dawn yeah is probably not actually fucking swinging he's not a paramilitary guy but like the emotional whiplash yeah that you've got to have yeah you're right where you. Where you're like, I love that guy.

I hate that guy. I'll kill that guy. I just, I don't have that kind of like emotional range to be a Republican. No, I don't either. I'm just too emotionally simple. I'm moored too closely to one place.

I want to talk about Pence for a second. I want to say, like want to talk about Pence for a second. I, I want to say, like, I hate Mike Pence beyond. Sure, he's a piece of shit. I hate Mike Pence. Mike Pence is garbage.

He's genuinely a shitty human being. He's a shitty bad person. Yeah, he's a bad person. I don't want to see him die slowly at a gallows. Well, I also want to say, though, I hated him as vice president because I knew

that there were many things that Trump did that were, if they weren't orchestrated by Pence, they were certainly in line with the things that Pence wanted. Right. So I don't know what he did or how he pushed the president, but I do know that many of the things that Trump chose to do during his presidency would certainly have pleased Pence or at least have some sort of inertia given to them by Pence. I don't know what that is because I don't know what happens behind closed doors. And I don't know how easily easy Trump is to push into those situations and positions. But what I do know is, is that they definitely align with Mike Pence's values,

right? So the things that happen in office. But do we have to be somewhat thankful that Pence was the one who chose to be part of that because he was the one who was put on the spot on January 6th and he's the one who refused to do it? Do we have to be somewhat thankful? We have to be a little bit thankful. Like, I think you could still be like, look, I hated Mike Pence.

I'm an OG Mike Pence hater like you. I hated him when he was the governor of fucking New York. I mean, I hate Indiana already, but I already hate their governor more. It's easy. Yeah. Like he has the meth stink still like wafting over him. And they love the Republican governors down there. They do.

They love them. And that guy was shitty to LGBT people and to people with AIDS. And he's an awful human. Awful human being. So like you and I were OG haters on Mike Pence because we could see what he was. He was a religious nutjob

masquerading as a politician. That's who he's always been. But I think that, like, he is one of the old-school religious nutjobs that thinks of himself as a person of integrity and as a result, he was immovable on the issue of, and I think he's wrong about every important issue.

And I mean that. I think he's wrong. He's wrong about every important issue. Every but one. And the one was that the vice president didn't have that power. Didn't have the right to unilaterally overthrow an election. And like, we have to give him some credit,

but also, that's the easiest thing to be right about. It is easy to be right about. But he did have, I mean, this is a guy who was standing at the switch. He was. He was standing at the switch, and again, I want to give him credit for not throwing the switch. I do. I want to give him that credit. I also know that guys like this

did the calculus that this was almost certain to fail anyway and that they didn't want to go to jail. Yeah, yeah. No, I think you're right. So like, yes, I do want to- I reluctantly give him a kudo. I want to give him the credit.

A single kudo. I will shave a piece of kudos. A half a kudo. And like I will drift it, I'll waft it by him. Yeah, waft a kudo to you. A waft a sliver of kudos. I will waft a sliver of kudos. I will waft a sliver of kudo your way, sir. But like, I also

just want to lament so deeply the fact that we have to give kudos to people for getting the easiest question right. The easiest, simplest thing. You know, don't be a traitor to your country. Right, yeah. Don't disenfranchise 81 million votes. Don't do that. And then, and somehow

we have to be like, good job. Good job. And pat people on the head. Oh, look how brave. Oh, you did a great job. What a good boy. No, you did the one thing that you're supposed to do. And the rest of it was garbage.

And, you know, the guy, the dream reaper comes to you at the end, and you'd be like, was I a good vice president? And they're just going to say no. And then they're going to take you away, and that's the end of it. Here's a great analogy. It's like going to a dog show, and all the other dogs run around and do the obstacle course, and they do the tricks,

and they fucking do the little, like, prance on a leash thing, and your dog fails at every single one of those things, but he didn't shit on the floor. He did the one thing he didn't, because the thing is, like, we've got to give Pence credit not for what he did, but for what he didn't do. What he didn't do, you're right. You're absolutely right.

No, because he's expected to do that one thing. Right. So all he had to do was the same thing that 45 other leaders did, right, and not fucking be a traitor. So, like, it's like going to the dog show and being like, what ribbon do I get for my dog not shitting on the floor? The brown one. All right.

That's going to wrap it up for this Thursday episode. Come check us out Monday. We'll have a whole new episode. We'll be hanging out. It'll be great. And also, this upcoming Thursday, we're going to do a live stream. Live stream! We're going to do a live stream on YouTube, Twitch, I don't know, maybe

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