Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 752: McConnell Steps Down, 217 COVID Vaccines

Episode Date: March 11, 2024

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We bring critical thinking, skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big, or makes us mad. It's skeptical, It's political. And there is no welcome mat. Today is Thursday, March the 7th. We're back in studio. We are back in studio. It's nice to be back in studio. We had a little sickness break, then we had a little vacay break.

We had a little sickness break, and then we took a day off. We did. And Tom and I went and had a nice meal downtown. We went to Chicago. And it's been a while. Years. Years. Yeah.

So we went. We had one out here maybe a year ago. Right. We haven't been downtown. We haven't been downtown to have a meal in a while. So we went to Chicago and had a meal. I think that might be the first time I ate since the pandemic downtown, if I'm not mistaken. I can't think if I have since then.

It's probably right. Yeah. It's probably right. Yeah. Yeah. So it's been a minute. It's been a't think if I have since then. It's probably right. Yeah. It's probably right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's been a minute. It's been a bit.

It's been a minute. It was really nice. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. It was nice to get into the city. We had a nice night out. We took a week off, so there wasn't any video or any of that stuff, but we're back. And very specifically, we're back the week of Super Tuesday. It is.

Yeah. Super Tuesday, two days ago, Nikki Haley cleaned up. And then cleaned her desk out. She was escorted out by the security guards. She wasn't going anywhere.

She was never going anywhere. I think she got something like 90 total delegates and Trump has like 1,000 delegates. You knew that Trump was going to, Trump was going to be the, uh, the person who's going to, and, and the same with Biden. I mean, there was other people on the ticket, but one of them was like Marianne Williamson or whatever. They don't matter. It doesn't matter. It's not going to matter. So it's going to be Trump and Biden again, who are duking it out. Boy, how exciting. Yikes. And so they're going to be, but, but what you get a chance to see though this week

and what happened recently with the Supreme Court was they had that ruling. Colorado had taken him off the ballot. A couple other places were waiting on that Colorado verdict, right? So Maine had done it. Illinois had done it. A couple places had said,

we're taking him off. A couple of places started taking Biden off for retaliation purposes. What took Biden off? Really? There was a couple of states that had threatened to do it. Under what pretense? Also insurrection? Yeah, I think that they would probably claim the same thing.

And so it went to the Supreme Court. I covered it on the other show that I do, Lawful Assembly. And really, the first time I ever listened to Supreme Court, I've never listened to just the audio. The oral arguments? And it was an impressive, very hard to follow. It took me three tries to listen to it, to really, I think I got a grasp on it,

but really interesting conversation. One of the things that I think that is kind of cool is the guy who I do it with, he predicted it would be a unanimous decision on the show. He was like, it's going to be a unanimous decision. I was like, get the fuck out of here. I was like, there's no way they're going to do unanimous. Now in some of the metadata, which is interesting, I don't know if you saw this, but on the PDF that they released, which is the ruling, in the metadata,

they had, like, there was going to be a dissent. So one of them was actually going to do a dissent. Really? But it was removed, and now they're all, it's like, I concur,

but here's my problems. You know, one of those things. Right, right, right. And so that was at the bottom. But initially, it was going to be. But initially it was going to be, I think it was going to be A1. And then they decided instead to rein everybody in. I wonder if they did like a horse trading on that too.

Or were they just like, look, look, here, we'll give you, you give us this and we'll give you the Trump immunity case. Oh my God. We'll be, you know, I wonder. Fucking hell, man. I know they're not supposed to, God. We'll be, you know, I wonder. Fucking hell, man. I know they're not supposed to, but I'm not putting anything past them.

I wonder. I mean, you can't, I can't tell what happens in those chambers. What I wonder, and I don't know, like procedurally, like after the oral arguments are heard, after the briefs are read and all of that stuff, do they get together and talk? I hope so.

I hope they get together and like play ping pong in like a Google room. You know, like one of those Google break rooms where they have, you know, popcorn machine.

Yeah, and they've got that pop shot basketball thing. Yeah. Actually, they do have a basketball court in the Supreme Court building and it's the highest court

in the land. Is it really? It really genuinely is. And they call it the highest court. Well, you're not kidding. I'm not kidding. No, that's not a land. Is it really? It really genuinely is. And they call it the highest court. They call it the highest. Well, you're not kidding. Yeah, I'm not kidding. No, that's not a joke.

They have a basketball court? A basketball court there. Yeah, that's what I heard. I bet RBJ cleaned up there. Dude, I bet she was fucking like under the leg dunk. She's fucking hard in the paint in the center,

just fucking checking people out. She brings Scully out and leapfrogs him and just dunks. It's just fucking... But anyway... Well, not anymore. I think... Well just dunks. It's just fucking, but anyway. Well, not anymore. I think, well, I mean, it's easier to jump over now.

They're both easier to jump over. But it was interesting to see that this, the way this turned out. And one of the things, I want to read part of this, Tom, because there's a line from Amy Coney Barrett that I was like, I was like, shut the fuck up. Oh my God. Is this a civility bullshit? Yeah. So she says- Fucking Amy Coney Barrett. Your fucking civility makes me want to puke. The court, here's a quote from Amy Coney Barrett. The court has settled a politically charged issue in the volatile season of a presidential election. Particularly in this circumstance,

writings on the court should turn the national temperature down, not up. And she said that as a woman was forced to give birth to a rape baby. Jesus. Because that's true, man. I know. Like you say that and you're like,

oh, we should turn the temperature down. But you literally tore rights away from 50 plus percent of the population. Yeah. That is such an egregiously unfair and disingenuous and hypocritical bullshit position for her to have taken. It made me sick when I read that. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. After the Dobbs decision, get the fuck out of here forever. You never get to say, hey, we all need to be a little more civil.

Easy for you to say when you already fucking ruined the country. Yeah. Right? Like, get the fuck out of here. I think one of the things that makes me think, you know, we all knew that it was going to go this way. I don't think that there was anybody out there that was saying. There was no doubt. We talked about it before. There was no doubt. There was no doubt that it was going to go this way. I don't think that there was anybody out there that was saying- There was no doubt. We talked about it before.

There was no doubt that it was going to go this way. It was just going to be a decision on how far it went, right? And one of the things that- One of the pieces of reasoning that I heard, and that's in this article that I do kind of agree with, is that they said it was at this time that federal power was trying to be consolidated away from the states. So it should be that this should be a federal power and not a state power to allow

something like this. And so I understand sort of the history of it, and it makes a little sense, right? You have a fractured nation, a group of states tried to pull away from the nation so they could own other people. And so consolidating that power afterwards in this amendment does make some sense. But I also feel like their reasoning behind why that we shouldn't do it didn't make any sense at all when they're saying, well, anybody could then just take people off. And I'm like, well, there has to be an insurrection, right? Yeah, man, I felt super confused. I didn't listen to the oral arguments. So I want to, I want to acknowledge that I read a handful of articles.

So I am not very knowledgeable. I read a handful of articles in like the times and the posts, et cetera, did not listen or read the amicus briefs, you know, like, so, but like, I think one of the core arguments was that the section three of the 14th amendment is not self-executing. And I know that that's what they said, but I also don't understand really functionally. Why not? And how do you know, and what does that really mean? And it feels like this court, they are textualists when it's fucking convenient for them. That's all it seems to me, too. And then

all of a sudden, they're contextualists when it's convenient for them, right? All of a sudden, this is a Reconstruction era, and we have to think back to the consolidation of powers, and what was the broader overall intent, blah, blah, blah, blah blah that's you're being a contextualist not a textualist yeah and i i was like i don't fucking understand what this is leapfrog hypocritical bullshit but then i'm also like well i must be wrong i must be because all the liberal justices fundamentally

agree as well so there must be some legal element to this that has technical minutiae that I just frankly, despite trying to read about it, can't seem to wrap my tiny functional brain around. I think that when I listened to the arguments, it really showed me that the liberal justices, I felt like they didn't agree with most of it. But I think they all kind of agree that it shouldn't be up to the state to decide who's on the ballot. It should be, it should be sort of up to Congress to get rid of a person who is an insurrectionist. That's what it felt like everybody was saying. Yeah. And that, and if it's not self-executing, then how does it happen? Right. Does it, does it have to happen in a way where, and that's what, that's this next story, this Jamie Raskin. He's actually coming up.

He's like, fine, if you're going to put it on us, if you're going to put it on the lawmakers, then we'll just create a bill to kick Trump off the ballot. And no, it might not go anywhere. Right. It's probably not. But still, it's great to have people. I just want to see stuff go through and then have people put their name on it. I'm so sick of this. People in the halls of power

stop things from happening and then nothing happens. And there's never a track record of where they stand on these things. They could say all this bullshit at the mic and sometimes it doesn't mean anything or go anywhere. And it doesn't really solidify their position. anything or go anywhere. And it doesn't, it doesn't really solidify their position. Solidify your position with a vote. Yeah, man, I, I agree where I get even more angry is that more often than not, what happens with this stuff is it never even goes up for a vote. They cock block this stuff before it even goes to a vote. That's what I'm saying is that you'll never get an opportunity to vote for it. So, but like, like a lot of people, they just, they just grandstand. They never write legislation. Yeah. So like a bunch of people have never written any legislation

at all. Like a huge number of legislators have not done any legislating. And then, so they just do all the speech making, but then they don't actually sponsor bills. They don't actually write any legislation. And then when legislation gets written, it doesn't get voted on. And the whole system seems so wildly dysfunctional. And then we have over here, it doesn't get voted on. And the whole system seems so wildly dysfunctional. And then we have over here, and again, I know that I'm wrong. So I want to acknowledge that I know I'm wrong. But we have the Constitution. And number 14, Section 3, seems really textually clear.

But then we also have to make a law for the thing to happen that is over here. But I don't have to make a specific law to go make sure I can get a gun. So some stuff is self-executing and some stuff isn't. And how do you know which? Like, I feel like they're just playing games. I really do. It feels like a bunch of games.

This court in particular has been all over the map when it comes to deciding whether or not they're going to be textualists today or if they're going to be states' rights today. Right. Because sometimes they are and sometimes they're not. I mean, look at the difference between Dobbs and this.

Right. You have Dobbs is, well, let's throw it back to the states. This? No, it's not the state's power. And so they're all over the place when it comes to that. I just covered,

I just recorded with Craig this week the bump stock ban. Yeah, yeah, recorded with Craig this week, the bump stock ban. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we just heard the bump stock ban oral argument that went through and I read some of the amicus briefs and things like that. And you could tell that they're going to,

again, you know, be very strict textualists and that's going to be sort of where they're going to be on it. You can tell just sort of by how they're, by how they talk about it. But just like you said, they're all going to be on it. You can tell just sort of by how they're, by how they talk about it. But just like you said, they're all over the board on it.

They're constantly, this week I'm this, this week I'm that. How do I get to the decision I already want? Yeah. And that's, and that's it. It's,

and I, and I say it on the other show too, is that how do I massage the, the rule of law to fit my already preconceived notion? Yeah, man. And that's, and that's what they've been doing since the beginning. And it feels like, you know, we're supposed to look at those justices and say, we hired

you, we don't have the same politics, but I hope you look at the law in a way that takes everything into account. But instead, what we get is a guy who's already got his mind made up before anything, before he even gets any brief, he already knows how he wants to rule. Or she already knows how they want to rule. And the bump stock thing, as I understand it, is basically like the law says that a machine gun is something that shoots multiple rounds of the single pull of the trigger.

And they're trying to say, well, a bump stock, actually, the trigger gets pulled multiple times back and forth. So it's not, it doesn't fit. And it's like, functionally identical to a machine gun. It's nine bullets a second. The problem is that it's not, it doesn't fit. And it's like functionally identical to a machine gun. It's nine bullets a second. The problem is that it's more than that.

It's 11 bullets a second. Oh my God. I timed it. I did a- Did you? So I went on YouTube and I found a guy who did a bump stock and then he shot just shot. And he got off 19 rounds with the other,

with just pulling it in, I forget exactly what the time was. And then in 3.3 seconds, he did 37 rounds. Jesus Christ. With the bump stock. And if you hear the two sounds together, there's no mistaking them. And the big argument is they're saying

that it has to depress the trigger multiple times. But my argument to them would be, you're just moving the trigger. So the trigger is no longer that little piece of metal. The trigger is now the barrel, the whole barrel. So when you,

when, when I pull it back, the recoil automatically fires it. Right. And so when I pull that thing back, the trigger doesn't matter because the trigger's essentially blocked. The trigger now is the barrel. To me, it's like, and it's

one pull of the barrel can fire that much. So your argument doesn't make sense, but you want to massage it to make it make sense. It's nonsense. It's complete nonsense. And it's this rhetorical gamesmanship bullshit that they're trying to play in order to be like,

well, you know, if you read it very carefully, what it really says, and it's like, all right, well, all right, these are the words, and if you read just the words, the words say a single pull of the trigger,

and it's like, all right, well, let's just read just the words of Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. I know. Oh, you know, that's actually not self-executed. Just so you know.

What does that even mean? It doesn't mean anything. That's just sounds your face at. That's nothing. I don't know how to feel about this. New York Times. I feel bad about it, actually, to be honest. I'm not happy about this.

I don't think, especially his comments. Yeah. So Mitch McConnell stepping down. Go ahead. Mitch McConnell to step down as leader at the end of the year. Want to clarify, he is not stepping down from the Senate. He'll serve out his whole term, which ends in 2027, I believe. But he is stepping down as the leader of the Republican Party in the Senate. And he's doing it specifically, the language he uses is that my leadership is not something that I think people want anymore. They want a different brand of

leadership from a different part of the party. He's like, if I am anything, I understand how politics work. And his comments are basically, there is a farther right contingent than me. They want things that I don't think we should be doing. And they want to stop things that I think we should be doing. It's very specifically Ukraine they want to stop things that I think we should be doing. It's very specifically Ukraine aid. And he says, fine, I'm just going to step down. And he said he will not endorse the person who comes after him. He endorsed the president, but he will not endorse his successor. He said already. Yeah. Well, this feels like a giant pussy fucking move from Mitch McConnell to cede the party to the raving, howling lunatics. Yeah, yeah.

Because he does, like, what, tired of fighting? He said something like, you know, it is a lesser known, you know, virtue to know when it's time for you to step down, you know. And he doesn't want to, like, and he's sort of saying, like, you know, my time has passed. you know, and then he doesn't want to like, and he's sort of saying like, you know, my time has passed. And he's sort of kind of throwing a jibe at other people who are advanced in their years, who are continuing to fight in politics. And like, fundamentally, I agree, like a bunch of fucking old people all need to quit. I get that. But I'm also fully of the opinion that one, this is a giant pussy move. And that what it functionally does is it takes a guy who has acted as one of the most successful legislative cock blockers in all of history out of the way of the screaming troll party. And he's handing the entire Republican

party to the screaming trolls. It's going to get worse. I think functionally what he's saying is like, this is all getting worse and I don't want any part of it anymore. I don't think you're wrong. I think that's absolutely what he's trying to do. I think there is a touch of spoiled child going on. He's not getting his way. Yeah, that's true.

So I think there's a touch of that. But I think there's also very, very specifically, I think he's not, he knows that he can't reign the party in like he did for many years. I think for many years, when Mitch said jump, every single Republican Senator said it's how high. I think that, I think there was, there was iron fist for many years, they followed his leadership and he got them judicial seats. Yeah. A lot of them. He got them a lot of stuff.

He did not get him a repeal of Obamacare. No. Which I think was a big deal. And also I think for him was a victory he really wanted to, because he wanted to erase everything Obama did. I think a lot of these people wanted to erase everything Obama did. Wasn't he the one when Obama was inaugurated or elected, wasn't he the one that said like,

our mission from now on is to make sure he gets nothing done? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm paraphrasing. I think so. I think that was him. It wasn't him, it was somebody in that group. But it was, you know, but I think Mitch McConnell, you know, I'm happy to see him go,

but I'm afraid at what thing that is going to crawl out from under a rock that's going to replace him. Because the names they list in here are not great. No. And most of them are nobodies or people you don't really know. So you're going to have somebody who is going to be like a Mike Johnson, right?

Yep. Somebody who's going to call him in and they're just going to have massive skeletons in the closet. Shit that they, like they're going to be crazy far right. And we're in a bad place with the,

I mean, as long as they can stay in the minority, it doesn't matter as much. But if they come into the majority. Oh, it's a shit show, man. Yikes.

They, I really believe that we are at an existential crossroads for the nation in November. I believe that. I think that if we get a Republican supermajority in the three, like we're- Say goodbye to abortion completely across the country. We could do generational damage in two years. And we will. We will absolutely do it. I just feel like, you know, when I look at the polls too, like Biden is trailing bad. He's trailing bad.

And I know it's way far out and all of that. It doesn't really matter that much. But I look at it, I think, has everybody forgotten how bad the summer of 2020 was? The summer of 2020 was just like every day, like not every week, but every day was a fresh hell of like insanity. Just insanity. Yeah, the summer of 2020 was people dying. I think Delta hit or whatever. By the summertime,

we had people being beaten and kidnapped off the streets. Then you had protests, massive protests, like I don't know if it was Delta or something, but it was definitely a wave. Yeah, it was a huge wave. So you had coronavirus deaths. You had anti-vaxxers out in the street. Then you had-

We had anti-vaxxers in our government. Then you had total chaos when it came to people being attacked during protests, peaceful protests being disrupted. Being thrown into vans and shit, man. It was really a terrible time. It was really genuinely a terrible time. I feel like that was the Trump administration.

And then during the middle of it, he walked across, he got a helicopter to shoo people away. Right, yeah. Violently shoo them away. I feel like I remember that summer. I remember the chaos and the anarchy and the complete lack of control, the terrible messaging. I remember when Trump caught COVID and he stood on that balcony like a fucking third world dictator and he took his mask off

in an act of defiance against science and reason. I remember all of that. Sure. People dying, hospitals having to like have refrigerator trucks to put the corpses in. These are true things that happened. It's only been a minute. Yeah. Like a minute. And somehow people are like, what was better then?

And you're like, better? What was better? Name one thing at all. Like, yeah, okay. Inflation wasn't as bad sure but the inflation that we had as a direct result of the fucking nightmare we lived through from the trump administration it's a one-to-one you can't trump look yourself in the mirror and think it would be better under a republican leadership you cannot do it you can't do it you can't feel that

way i mean there's something don't get me There's some, there's some terrible shit that's going on. And I think there are, there are operatives that are on the right that are pushing those narratives as hard as they can because they know it disrupts the left. Right. So the, the fight over Gaza and, you know, the, the genocide that's going on over there right now, the horrible genocide and then us funding that, that's a horror. That's a genuine horror. It is, absolutely. And, but I think like, one, you've got to think,

we've got to keep pushing against them and keep trying to push against them and say, please stop, you know, it's got to stop. And I know that a couple of people this week even called for a ceasefire. I think Kamala of people this week even called for a ceasefire. I think Kamala was one of them who called for a ceasefire. It's not like the Biden administration hasn't been working to try to do stuff.

They're trying to do stuff, right? It's not, it's just not, nothing's happening, but it's not, they're a sovereign nation. They make their own decisions on a lot of this stuff, but it's our money that goes over there too. Sure. But what happens is, is that people will latch onto this narrative

and they'll start calling him Genocide Joe. And you're like, okay, well, you're going to make it so that people will hear that and then they'll be disaffected and they won't go to the polls. Now, the left doesn't go to the polls very often anyway. I think the left is probably, they're not, the far, far left is not somebody who goes to the polls anyway. So them not coming to the polls is like, okay, well, you weren't going to go anyway. I don't know how to tell you. You were already checked out of the system anyway. So them not coming to the polls is like, okay, well, you weren't going to go anyway. I don't know what to tell you. Like you were already checked out, you know, of the, of the system anyway. But the people who would, who would throw that away, I think they look at this from a very privileged position because the people who will be hurt by this will be the underprivileged.

Yeah, man. The people who will be hurt by this will be the underprivileged women. And it's going to be a real, real bad thing. Now, if Trump gets in office, I'm probably going to be okay. Right. I mean, I'm not, I'm not looking to have a child, right? I've, I've vasectomy, my wife and I are past our child rearing ages. Right. So it's not going to happen for us. So the one horror that could really happen if they pull all abortion away doesn't really affect me. Right. I want, I don't ever want to see it go away. Right.

But personally, Right. I might not be affected by it. On a you wake up Wednesdays, On a me wake up in the morning, a lot of the stuff that happens is not going to affect me, but I'm going to fight tooth and nail

to make sure this man doesn't get in office. Yeah. I don't want him in office. I don't understand how everybody else isn't thinking that. Dude, it's so bad every time the Republicans are in charge. It is so bad every time that they get what they want. Some new fresh hell is exposed. Even if you are like, look, the Biden administration hasn't done enough. Yes. Right. Awesome. They haven't done enough. I am agreeing with you a hundred percent. Let's pressure him to do more. Let's shake hands about that. Let's do it. Let's do as much as we can to make him do more. You have to ask yourself, do you think it would be better or worse under Trump? Those that's the only question, because the only choice that's really going to happen

in November is Trump or Biden. So do I think that the situation in Gaza is going to get better or worse under the guy who moved the fucking U.S. embassy to Jerusalem in support of Israel? Who do I think is going to support that more, Biden or Trump? Trump is going to make it worse for everybody in America. You're not wrong with that. You're not wrong with that. I mean, like he tried to turn up that temperature as hot as he could while he was in office. Like there's the only two choices are Biden and Trump.

Biden's not doing enough in Gaza. Great. Put that on the board. Write it down. Biden is not doing enough in Gaza. Great. Would Trump make it worse than it is today? Yes.

That's the only thing. Like, so if you want something to happen in Gaza, pick the side that might not make it worse. But the other side is 100% going to make it worse. I also think that- I just don't understand. I also think that that pressure has changed a lot of people's minds and pushed people to do the things that you're suggesting, calling for ceasefires and things. I think that it's had an effect and I'm happy that people have done it.

I'm happy that people have done it. I'm happy that people have pressured them. That's great. There was, I think that the Biden administration is absolutely shifted its position and they are putting pressure on Israel in ways that they had not put pressure on Israel before. They, again, so I don't get a million emails. They are not doing enough,

but Trump will do nothing or make it worse. Trump will support the genocide. He will support it actively with words and will not try to get a ceasefire. The guy is, this is the same guy who put the Muslim ban in place. Do you think he gives a fuck about the plight of the Palestinian people?

I'm baffled. Like I'm baffled and enraged by this whole thing because we don't have a third viable choice. We should all want one. I get shoulds. I'm right there in the should party with you guys. But when it comes time to do the thing that isn't a should, everything was worse under Trump. Literally every single thing is worse under Trump. He's the scariest person to have risen in American politics in 150, 200 years, by far, no question. That guy needs to be gone.

Once he's out of the danger zone, then we can have other conversations. But it feels to me like worrying that you burnt your dinner while your house is on fire. It's like, yeah, the dinner is burnt. Objectively, that dinner sucks. But also the curtains are on fire, man. Hello?

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Republicans increasingly reveal they barely know where babies come from. This is the IVF stuff. Yeah. They are backpedaling hardcore on that IVF stuff. Jesus Christ, yes they are. They're like, who let that justice out? The thing is, intellectually, it is a very consistent, perfectly consistent position. He's absolutely intellectually honest. He's intellectually honest. If life begins at conception, and I saw something, I don't know if it's in the notes or not. I saw

something that in Kentucky, they passed the bill through their Senate overwhelmingly. It's not even close. So that child support would be available at the moment of conception, would be required, actually, at the moment of conception. So if you're the guy, you would have to pay child support to help pay for the cost of this pregnancy, which I actually don't disagree with, which we talked about. Yeah, we talked about it. These are really intellectually consistent positions that people are not going to like, man. They're messy

and they're difficult and they're dishonest because life does not begin at conception. That's genuinely stupid. But like, this is the net result of this. What happens if she miscarries? Do you get any of that money back? Yeah, right. Well, what if you are, well, so there's a couple of things that I thought about that were really interesting. So let's say you're paying child support. The way the bill is written, you have to pay in arrears up to a year after birth, right? And part of the reason for that is that paternity may not be established. So paternity is not always established before the baby is born. You might have to do genetic testing. The problem with paying in arrears is unless I have that money just sitting in a bank account ready to write a check for,

a lot of people can't write a five-figure check or whatever it's going to cost. How much it is. It could be a lot. And then if you don't write it, the way most child support works is it starts to accumulate interest and penalties. Yikes. You can very quickly run yourself into contempt of court and go to jail on stuff like this. But even more interesting too is,

let's say you begin paying the child support on the pregnancy right away because you're a good guy. And then, you know, because you're not a shithead, right? And so, and then something happens and then you discover three months after the baby is born, it wasn't your baby.

That was the paternity test reveals it wasn't. Can you claw the money back from the mom? Does the, does the other dad now owe you? Like, how does any of this work in practice? It's a fucking mess. It's a mess.

It's a mess. It's a fucking mess. And it's a mess because it's not a baby. Yes. Right. You should be supporting that woman if she's your, she's, you know,

because she's having your baby, but it's not a baby yet. Right. You're what you should do. You should be doing is supporting somebody who is pregnant because pregnancy is expensive. And if you impregnate somebody by accident or on purpose, like you did that and you should help to support that because why should it just be her financial responsibility? That's ridiculous to think otherwise. That's absurd.

Yeah. So there you go. Yeah. So, there you go. But like, these laws cannot and will not meaningfully cont for it. But most of the people who were voting who were Democrat were saying, this is literally a stopgap just for one thing. We think that a baby isn't, you know, it's not a baby yet. And so we should actually be passing laws that fucking take this guy's rights, this whole ruling away that says it's not a fucking baby yet. Because it's insane.

Because it's insane to think. And IVF is the perfect example of this because IVF requires a harvesting of a lot of different embryos because they do testing on those embryos often to make sure that those, the testing is like, especially if you have genetic problems.

Right, it's viability. They do some real important testing for people who might have some genetic issues. Yeah. And so there's, and it's expensive too. You're alienating an affluent group of people too. Very, very much so.

Very, very much so. And so there's a, there's, that's why it immediately changed, right? If you alienate individual women. Right. That doesn't matter. That doesn't change, yeah.

But if you alienate really affluent couples, now look at how quick they spin that law around. And intellectually, there can be no justification for this, right? Because what you have to say is life begins at conception. That's why you can't have an abortion. But also that same exact conception, if it why you can't have an abortion. But also, that same exact conception, if it's performed through IVF, that particular embryo can be destroyed, and it doesn't count. It's completely inconsistent with your own thought process.

So, an embryo that happens to be physically located in a person is a person. An embryo located outside of a person is a person. An embryo located outside of a person is a convenience issue. Yep. That's an insane intellectual. You have to hold, it'd be like scanners to try to hold it. Your head should just explode.

Absolute acrobatics. It's mental acrobatics to try to get through it. All it is, is I want my cake and eat it too. That's exactly. That's what I want. It's results-based. Both of these rulings, Dobbs and this one, they're about results.

They're not about ideology. We talked about this a million times. They want a result. The ideology backstops the result. I'm curious. How does the quiet half of the room feel about Gilead? It's absolutely wonderful the stories from media matters the moms for liberty 60 minutes interview was such a disaster that their allies are scrambling to do damage control i watched this whole thing so i went

out and searched it out to watch this whole thing and it is is so good. So they don't give these people any time except for they let them spout like one or two talking points and then they press hard in these questions. And when they don't answer, they literally change the subject. They do not give them a moment to press there to pretend that they've answered this question or to change the subject. The guy asked two or three times and they say, they try to talk about something around it and he's like, no. And then they just go on

to talk about something completely different. And the story is really great because the story itself, the main backdrop of this whole story, the reason why they have these women on is these moms for liberty put out this internet 97 books that need to be taken off the shelves

and then somebody found it and went off the shelves. And then somebody found it and went to this place. And I think it's in South Carolina, but don't quote me. They went to this place and they said, this school district, and they said, I want these 97 books taken off. And what was amazing was they actually interviewed a librarian. And the librarian says, what you teach your kid and what you want your kid to teach is absolutely up to you, which is why you can come to me as a librarian and say, I don't want my son or daughter checking out these books. And they'll keep a list and they'll black those books out so that your kid can never walk away with them. They can't actually. And it's like, that's how it should be done, right? If you're some tight

ass, go to the fucking, your school, go to them and say, here's 97 books I don't want my kid to check out. They'll fucking put them in the database. And then when they try to swipe their little ID to get those books, sorry, you can't get, you know, all boys are blue or whatever. Your dad doesn't want you to have them. So you can't fucking read them. That's a problem solved, right? You had somebody who wants their kid to stay ignorant and the school obliged them. That's literally it. But instead, what they want is they want to say, well, I don't want Tom's kids to read that. And it's like, go fuck yourself. And this entire school district, what they did was they audited those books. They got all the parents together and they all read a book. A bunch of them read a book.

And then they had a little book club to talk whether or not this book should stay in the school. They removed five of them. They removed five of them that they said they thought were a little too graphic for kids, either the violence or the sexuality was a little too graphic for the kids. But 92 of them, they said, should stay on the shelf. And they told this Moms for Liberty to go fuck themselves. They said, go away.

You don't get to. And there was so many people who stood up and talked about, you know, because what it really is, and there was a woman who says it perfectly in the 60 minutes. She's like, they just want to erase me. That's what they want to do. They want to erase me. And that's exactly what they're trying to do. And when you hear these, I'm going to actually play a clip. I'll play a clip so

you can hear how quickly this guy turns it around and is like, no, hard pass, no. So they're talking about tweets in this. So this is a portion where they're talking about the tweets and they use this groomer language when they talk about, when Moms for Liberty tweets, they use groomer. We wanted to know about the messages on Mom's ex account, which adopts the extremist smear with, if they don't like being called groomers, they should stop trying to groom our kids. What are you trying to say? Well, I'm going to say that if we'd have to see the exact tweet, Tiffany manages our Twitter account. So we read more exact tweets from their account. This targets a librarian. You want to groom our children and we're supposed to give you love?

Again, Justice and Duskovich went to their talking points. I'm just asking, what do you mean by that? What do you mean by grooming? Parents want to partner with their children's schools, but we do not co-parent with the government. Grooming does not seem like a word that you want to take on. You know, we did some polling and we asked, we really wanted to know, where are the American people on this issue of parental rights

and what's happening in our schools? Dodging questions like those was not an option back in Beaufort, South Carolina. That's literally the last time you hear from those women on there. As soon as they say dodging questions, like that's it. They never go back to him. That's amazing. So they do one little segment with him beforehand where he asks them questions and they won't answer. Then they do this one where he him beforehand where he asks him questions and they won't answer. Then they do this one where he asks and then he's like, okay, that's it for Moms of Liberty. That's it.

And their entire base now is now scrambling. Got Megyn Kelly who's calling 60 Minutes like a shill program or something. Oh my God, it's 60 Minutes. Lady, lady, come on. 60 Minutes has been around longer than Megyn Kelly's grandmother. Yeah. Are you kidding me? And it's been an institution in journalism for decades. Yeah. The idea that Megyn Kelly's grandmother. Yeah. Are you kidding me? And it's been an institution

in journalism for decades. Yeah. The idea that Megyn Kelly, like a dime store journalist at very best, would call, would impugn them in any way, it's ridiculous.

Right? But you have all these people who are circling the wagons around Moms for Liberty now and these ladies went on Bannon's show and they read their talking points. That should tell you everything you need to know too, is if they go on Bannon's show,

you shouldn't have to, you should be like, I don't think anybody should listen to them. You know, a lot of this, a lot of this, like you can identify, you can identify a good person, right? By the company that they keep.

And you can identify good messaging by the platform that they choose to message out of, right? So if the only way for somebody to get their message out is to go to some low vet, no vet news source, it's a non-vetted, unvetted source. Like it's garbage messaging. So if the only one who's picking up my message is OAN or Bannon's War Room, and you're like, all right, so this is just echo chamber amplification bullshit.

And that's the only people who take you seriously. And every other place that you go that you would like to be taken seriously, you get slapped down because you don't know the answer to your own questions. Like get the fuck out of here. You're trash. Also, like what kind of fucking coward are you right you call somebody a groomer fucking say you fucking knew what you were saying yep there's it's not like you're it's not like you're not you didn't know you didn't you fucking knew so look me in the face and say what a fucking groomer is because you know what you're a fucking coward you're a coward you're a keyboard warrior i a fucking coward. You're a coward. You're a keyboard warrior.

I got my phone out and I'm saying all kinds of crazy shit. But the moment somebody looks in your face and says, what the fuck did you say? You're like, well, I think just that

we shouldn't co-parent with the government. You're like, well, that's literally not what you said. You called people groomers. What the fuck does that mean? Grooming for what?

Oh, I'm not going to answer. Well, that's because you're a giant fucking coward. And the same thing happened with that Libs of TikTokbs of Tik TOK lady. She got confronted by a journalist and she looked like an idiot because she didn't even know what she was talking about. Right. She literally doesn't know what she's talking about. And then they call her on it and she's a fucking coward. Yeah. This feels like that bullshit where somebody says some awful, you know, misogynist, racist, horrible shit.

And then you're like, what? And they're like, oh, it's a joke. And then you just say, explain the punchline. What's the joke? Tell me the punchline. I don't get your joke. And they always, yeah, they can't. Yeah. I was being mean. I was just being, I was just, it was just a joke. Well, explain it to me. I don't get your joke. Explain the punchline. The punchline is I was being mean. Yeah. I was trying to hurt somebody being mean. I was trying to hurt somebody. I was trying to hurt somebody's feelings. This is the same exact thing. It's like, okay, what's a groomer then? I don't want to say it out loud.

I don't want to say what I obviously fucking meant. There's an enormous amount on the right where they're like, cry your liberal tears, guys. You can't handle the truth. And you're like, say what you mean. I don't want to say what I mean. If I say what I mean, you'll be unlike me. You'll call me mean. It's my job or

whatever. Get the fuck out of here. See Jews in space. Space. The Jews are in space. They're zooming along, protecting the Hebrew race.

Stories from the Daily Beast. Marjorie Taylor Greene rages at UK journos. Jewish space laser question. Fuck off. You've got to hear this, Thomas. Fuck it best, dude. She fucking just goes off. So let me put this on the big screen.

Here's Marjorie Taylor Greene. Why don't you go talk about Jewish space lasers and really, why don't you fuck off? How about that? Thanks. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. So here's the beginning of the interview. What do you think the message should be to Nikki Haley tonight? Well, we've been

encouraging her to drop out and support President Trump. And I think tonight is the clear message that President Trump is the clear frontrunner. He's the winner in our Republican primary, and it's time for Nikki Haley to drop out and support him. Do you think President Trump, Mr. Trump, is closer to picking his VP, and should you be on that list?

Oh, you know, that's the question everyone asks. And no, I don't think Nikki Haley should be on the list. But of course, President Trump will choose who he wants for VP. Would you like to be on that list? He's got a long list. I support President Trump in any way he'd ask me. But I can assure you it won't be Nikki Haley. Can you tell me why so many people that support Donald Trump love conspiracy theories, including yourself?

He seems to attract lots of conspiracy theorists. Well, let me tell you, you're a conspiracy theorist, and the left and the media spreads more conspiracy theories. We like the truth. We like supporting our Constitution, our freedoms, and America first. What about Jewish space lasers? Tell us about Jewish space lasers. No, why don't you go talk about Jewish space lasers,

and really, why don't you fuck off? How about that? Thanks. Thank you very much. Thank you. What are you talking about Jewish space lasers? You doody head?

That's fucking amazing to me. You know, this would literally, I think, 15 years ago get you thrown out of Congress. This would 100%. I don't even think

you'd have to go back 15 years. You don't think so? 2015, this would have done it. You think so? Yeah%. I don't even think you'd have to go back 15 years. You don't think so? 2015, this would have done it. You think so? Yeah, I do. I think that the complete destruction of polite discourse

as a expectation began in, like, the race up to 2016 and has never been expected since. But I think prior to that, yeah, I think... I mean, right now, there's multiple people that would not have made it and continued on

with what the stuff that they've said and pulled. Oh, if you look at careers that should have been ruined by insane things, Marjorie Taylor Greene showed revenge porn dick pics on the house, on the house floor. No action was taken. Literally no action was taken. Lauren Boebert is out on the house, on the house floor. No action was taken. Literally no action was taken. Lauren Boebert is out on the town getting handies

and then trying to like get out of trouble by being like, I'm totes a congressperson. She did not get in trouble at all. She's done other horrible shit too, but that's just the most recent thing I can think of off the top of my head. These guys have been, Marjorie Taylor kicked somebody. Like, remember that?

Yeah. Like these people have done and said my head. These guys have been, Marjorie Taylor kicked somebody. Remember that? These people have done and said genuinely mean, egregious, horrible, racist shit. And they all know they can get away with it now. And there are no consequences. Yeah, there's no consequences for them. And that's the thing. When I heard this, there was a tiny part of me that was shocked. Don't get me wrong. I 100% don't, I'm not prudish when it comes to that word. No. I don't care.

But there is a part of me that thinks that there should be some group of people out there. You shouldn't go to Congress and expect to hear this podcast. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I think that a place as hallowed and serious, making the level of decisions that they have to make as Congress, I don't know, man. Call me old-fashioned, but I feel like those should be serious people. I actually just had a thought. Expectation of polite political discourse really had its first crack of the door when that guy yelled liar at Obama during a State of the Union address.

Do you remember what a scandal that was? A scandal. But he was saying we're not Europe or whatever where they scream at each other in these places. A scandal. Now, that's nothing. Now, that's not. I wouldn't be surprised if like somebody threw a tomato at Biden.

It's tonight. It's going on tonight is the state of the union. Would you be surprised if somebody threw a tomato? I would not be surprised if someone tried to disrupt him and yelled the whole time.

Right. That wouldn't surprise me at all. Yeah. If somebody from Congress had like a whistle and started blowing a whistle, I'd be like, that tracks.

Yeah, that's about, yeah. And then if nothing happened as a result, I'd be like, that also tracks. Yeah, right. It doesn't feel like there's anything that you can like, that tracks. Yeah, that's about, yeah. And then if nothing happened as a result, I'd be like, that also tracks. Yeah, right. It doesn't feel like there's anything

that you can do to it anymore. Yeah. I was blown away that she actually dropped an F-bomb, though. Same. Yeah. Why don't you fuck it?

It's like, you're the one who brought it. Listen, you literally said that the campfire started because of Rothschild lasers from space. I love that they called her on the Jewish space. You know?

Like, own the insane shit you do and say. Own it. They're always cowards. Right. They say dumb shit to try to get a rile out of people, and the moment they get confronted, they're cowards about it. They are. May Allah awaken the people and help them to see

the evil doings of Israel and the United States. The stories from The Guardian, AI generated images of Trump with black voters being spread by supporters. I'm going to put the picture up so we can see what the AI picture looks like. This is a fake picture of Trump. Yeah, no way his hands are that big. Yeah. It also looks a little weird here. His hand looks a little strange. There's something going on there. Also, what does that gentleman's hat say?

Yeah. I think it's just, it's just, it's supposed to look like words. Right. And like, look, this lady's like missing part of a finger and this lady's got a stump. I don't know,

like it doesn't. It does, but you have to, the thing is like most people do at a glance. I'll tell you, at a glance, it looks great. At a glance, it looks great. One thing that's also kind of funny is if you look, not everybody's eyes are looking at the same thing.

Somebody's looking up here. Somebody's over here. There's people in the back. AI is really fun to look at closely, but it's dangerous because nobody does. It's a visual headline, and most people don't read the story beyond the headline. And the person who made this said they recognize that it's fake. They's a visual headline. And most people don't read the story beyond the headline. And the person who made this said they recognize that it's fake. They know it's fake.

They don't care that it's fake. And it reminds me of that Dilly guy who we talked about a while back when we had it played him. And he said, I'll just lie. I don't care. I'll lie. As long as they don't get in office,

I'll just lie. Yep. There's a, I thought about the same thing, actually. I thought about that same Brendan Dilly guy. So I knew the name. I looked it up. I had to go look it up because I was thinking about that guy. And I was thinking that there's a, it used to be that we had to wait for things to be true to say them. And then we used to have to like dig up dirt on somebody in order to have the dirt on somebody. And now what's happening is we just yell shit and just try to create truth out of thin air. It's a post-truth world, right? I mean, Trump even said alternative facts, as Sean Spicer said.

But on behalf of Trump, that we're living- It was actually that lady. Kellyanne Conway. That's her name. It was a Kellyanne Conway. So forgive me. Yeah, I thought it was Big Red, the Big Red here. No, it wasn't I eat an entire thing of fucking gum every day

and chew it up and then blow bubbles with my asshole. No, it wasn't. I eat an entire thing of fucking gum every day. Red gum every day. And chew it up and then blow bubbles with my asshole. He got a colonoscopy. They never got the camera out. It's just in there. It's like, what are you, drywalling in here? What's going on? You don't have to eat the comics from the Bazooka Joe gum, too.

They're a big guy. But like, it's an old gum that has probably not been sold in 25 years. Bazooka Joe. No one's going to know that. Those things can be. No one's going old gum that has probably not been sold in 25 years. The Bazooka Joe. No one's going to know that. Those things can be. No one's going to know that reference. So Bazooka Joe, you used to be able to get them for like five cents. Yeah, it was a piece of bubble gum.

And it was a piece of bubble gum. And it was wrapped. And inside the Bazooka Joe gum, there would be like a little comic. Yep, yep. But the thing about the Bazooka Joe gum is, if it was sitting out for a while it was literally

as hard as a diamond like you could you would chip all of your teeth on it but then sometimes you'd bite into it and it'd be like soft it'd be like bubble gum

and then other like other times you'd go you'd be like I carry my own it was terrible it was the worst terrible terrible gum

it was bad I bought it all the time it was five cents it was five cents it was five cents candy Terrible, terrible gum. It was bad. I bought it all the time. It was five cents. It was five cents. It was five cents candy. And it's super sweet. Right. Sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet.

Just an absolute sweet bomb. Yeah. But I want to say too, you know, this is something that I hope that we see more of that they're going to keep mentioning over and over

that it's fake. It's fake. It's fake. You know, I don't know of a good way to fix this. I don't know of a good way to fix this. I don't know of a good way to fix this, right? I know.

I think for a while, every time we talked about this, if we had any kind of idea, someone would say, I forget where I was seeing it. Maybe it was a comment on YouTube where they would say something like, go to this minute so that you could see when they introduced that they want a ministry of truth. Right?

They kept on saying that over and over. Yeah, right. Because kept on saying that over and over. Because here's the problem though. They're really, I don't know what a solution is. And the funny thing is, is that that person who kept commenting over and over, they just kept saying the same thing. They didn't have a solution either.

No, of course not. They don't have a solution. They just say, well, you guys just want a ministry of truth. Like, well, what's your solution? I'm happy to hear solutions. Literally any solution I'm happy for. But somebody needs to do something about it. And I don't know who that is,

whether it's the government or whether it's the companies that use this stuff or whatever it is. Somebody needs to come together and do something about this because this could be very dangerous for our society to not know what real things are. And so somebody needs to do something.

I'm not saying government. I'm not saying any. I don't know who the fuck needs to do something. I'm not saying government, I'm not saying any, I don't know who the fuck needs to do something. I'm just a podcaster. I don't know, but I know something has to happen. There needs to be, and there needs to be,

all of us need to reach out to either the companies or the government or whoever, or the papers or whatever it is, you know, because the other thing too is like, if you do good journalism, you can find this stuff out. So should you fund more journalism? Is that, is that a possibility? We just, we just make sure that journalism is funded so well. So we don't go to the other sources. What's I don't know. I don't know what it is either. You know, like I've thought like

maybe most of this gets disseminated through social media platforms. Maybe social media platforms should be required to put like a big green border on anything that's a fake image. Right? So you'd be like, at a glance, be like, oh, it's a fake image because it's got a green border around it. You know? But the system would have to know and identify that that picture was an AI-generated picture. And I don't know how that would work. Because same thing. I'm a podcaster with a degree in English literature.

You don't know how it works? I don't know how that would work. Because same thing. I'm a podcaster with a degree in English literature. You don't know how it works? I don't know anything. What I do know about this particular one is how damning it really is that for Trump supporters, the only way to get a picture of Trump with black people is to create one out of whole cloth. Fantasize about it. Right. That's the only way. How fucking damning is it that you, in order to be like, hey, you know what would play well?

A picture of Trump with black people. Well, that doesn't exist in the wild, even though he's a fucking celebrity for 30 years or 40 years. We have to literally create a computer program to show this guy with black people. That, just send me your AI like that. You're telling me more about you than you are about me. Absolutely.

Like you showed me your balls, man. This AI thing on my Facebook feed recently, I've been seeing these kitchens in these big houses with, you know, elaborate windows and, you know, barn floors and beautiful, you know, elaborate windows and, you know, barn floors and beautiful, you know, giant stoves with like a hood and stuff. And most of them are AI. And you can tell they're AI when you look at them, right? The window doesn't look right or the floor doesn't match up or whatever. But these people are creating AI images and they're putting it out as like this architectural thing to be like old log home

kitchens. And then you look and it'll be, it's just a made up drawing. It's nothing. It's a nothing. It's something that a computer whipped up quickly. It doesn't exist in real space because it's impractical and dumb and no one would ever have it. Right. And so I'm seeing a lot of stuff on Facebook and it's getting, and it's what's funny is, is I'm seeing the reason why I'm seeing a lot of stuff like that on Facebook. And it's getting, and it's, what's funny is, is I'm seeing, the reason why I'm seeing it is because people that I know are liking it. And so I don't even know. And I'll tell you, Tom, I scroll through the comments

and I don't see a single comment that says, this is AI. Really? Nobody calling it out. It's possible that people are deleting those comments, that the group itself might be deleting those comments I should actually just from now on just be like hey guys this is AI yeah you know I do my reels

whenever I like on Facebook it'll show me like reels of like people like doing like MMA or boxing because I happen to like MMA so like and I don't ever click on or react to them but because I sometimes will watch them I think it knows just that I've watched it. It feeds it to me.

But it'll show me stuff of like Mike Tyson. And I always, every time I see Mike Tyson, I always put a comment in, nice video of a rapist or something like that. I always put a thing about how we should stop celebrating a fucking rapist. And I never get any likes and my comments are always taken down.

Every single time. Without fail. I think your comments would be taken down. You're probably right. Yeah. Do you know what I was thinking about? You can tell me why this wouldn't work, but I was thinking about video games and I, you saw that like text to video AI that's come out where like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it's a single line of text and it creates a big, beautiful video. I was thinking, I wonder how long it's going to be before video games are created by an interaction between the player and a real-time rendering of AI video. Oh, that'd be interesting. Yeah. I don't know. And I was thinking about the game Zork. Do you remember the game Zork from like 150 years ago?

Yeah, yeah. A text-based game. Yeah. So if you had a game that was a text-based game and you had the ability to turn that into a real-time AI video generation, you could have a pretty fucking compelling looking video game,

I think. That's how we just control by text or whatever. Right. Yeah. I was just thinking that would be kind of an interesting space

to be in. Now I kind of want to play Zork in that way. Like type all the text into an AI video generator and see Zork. Never could figure that game out. Those text-based games required very specific language. And you couldn't find, like I remember there was one called Planetfall

that I loved. I played it all the time and it was text-based. And I really, really wanted to beat it. And it was so hard to beat because it was a puzzle and I was too young to figure the puzzle out. I was just like, it's like a really elaborate puzzle. And it only understood certain... I also had a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy one.

Did you really? There was a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy text-based game. See, I think I'm onto something with this AI-generated. Yeah. Because the video looks better than any graphics on any video game. Yeah. I've been saving all month for this. I think I need a root canal.

I'm sure I need a long, slow root canal. Let's go. I have a history of dental problems. Shut up! Yes, doctor. I just wanted to post this real, I just want to put this up here real quick because this is a German man

who received 217 vaccines, has a functioning immune system. He received 217 COVID vaccines and it reminded me of Tom who's gotten like 30. But I think I understand why he got so many, Tom, is when they asked him if he wanted them,

he would say no, but then they would give him nine of them. Nine! German guy. Oh my God, I went blank when you told me it. Would you like a COVID vaccine?

Nine. And then he just kept on doing it over and over and over. No, but really. I have had a lot of vaccines. Cecil sent me this this week and it just wrote, it you.

But what's interesting is his immune system's fine. His immune system is perfectly fine. And what I love about this story too is do you remember all those people who were like, your eyes are going to

fall out of your face next year because you got the COVID vaccine and you're just like, dude, I got like five of them. What are you talking about? And this dude's like, I got 200 of them.

I know. This guy has me fine. This guy has me so beat. There was a guy who was, who got like 47 COVID shots. Do you remember we covered this a while ago? He was a guy who got like 47 COVID shots. Remember we covered this a while ago.

He was a guy who I think was unhoused. And he was like, people were having to go get their COVID shots. And he was like, I'll get COVID shot for 10 bucks. Oh, smart. And he would go get their COVID shot. And then they'd have a COVID card and they'd be able to take that to work or whatever they needed in order to prove that they had their shot. So like that, like people have had lots and lots of shots. I have had more shots than is recommended.

So I've had a shot. I've had every shot that's available in the United States. So I've had all the Modernas, all the Pfizer's, the Johnson and Johnson and the Novavax shot. I cheated the system just because I wanted to see what would happen. Partially, I wanted to see part of what intrigued me to be honest was the complete laxity in the system itself that like you go because i'm fascinated by the idea that we have a credit reporting system we don't have any medical reporting system so all of your medical records are kept by your doctors and maybe if you go to let's say one of these big groups then the group will house your records electronically but then if you just go, let's say, one of these big groups, then the group will house your records electronically. But then if you just go off to a different group and you don't purposefully and intentionally share documents from one group to the next, they don't know what's going on.

It's not like your medical record is something like your credit history that follows you by your social security number or some other meaningful tracker. So I went and got COVID shots because you just could. And part of me was like, well, fuck it. I did some reading and I'm like, I don't know, like there's some, like I'm interested in the heterogeneous vaccination system. Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, yeah, if you go to CVS for one,

you go to Walgreens for the other. Yeah, to go to a different one. But if you go to the same one, they will stop you. Yeah. Yeah, that's happened to me multiple times. All you do is just go to CVS. Like Walgreens doesn't know what CVS for one, you go to Walgreens for the other. You have to go to a different one, but if you go to the same one, they will stop you. Yeah. Yeah, that's happened to me multiple times. All you do is just go to CVS. Like, Walgreens doesn't know

what CVS is doing. Right, and that's crazy to me. Yeah. All right, so I want to, before we wrap up, I want to talk about something we talked about recently on the show

and we got some feedback on, and so I want to just sort of, like, do a redo here. So we talked about fun on the show and we got some feedback on. And so I want to just sort of like do a redo here. So we talked about funerals on a recent podcast and we got a ton of messages back and different people talking about different stuff. And clearly we didn't say what we really meant. So I just want, what I'm going to say is

I'm just going to say some things now that I really mean. And then we can talk about them in that sense. If you're hosting a funeral, host literally whatever funeral you want to host. Like do whatever you want. If you want everybody to wear bright colors, if you want everybody to show up and sing a song, if you want to have it out in the woods, if you want it, you literally do whatever you want. There's no, and I know, and I'm going to tell you right now, when we, when, when we cremated my mom after she died, and then we waited a couple of months and my brother and I rented a church and we used the church basement

to host a celebration of life. What we did was Louie and I made a bunch of food that my mom made when we were kids. We used a recipe book. We looked it up and we made a bunch of food. And then we invited all our friends and I wore a hoodie and a t-shirt and so did my brother because it was not a funeral. It was a thing that we wanted to do. I encourage everybody to buck tradition when it comes to that.

I think, you know, celebrate the person how they would have wanted to be celebrated. If fucking dad was a Broncos fan and you want to have a big Broncos party where everybody's wearing Broncos jerseys and you're eating brats, do that. Do whatever you, literally whatever you want. I mean, Broncos party where everybody's wearing Broncos jerseys and you're eating brats, do that.

Do whatever you, literally whatever you want. I mean, like, it's your party. Do whatever you want. Also, if your friends have that and they choose to do that, do whatever they suggest. You don't have to go in a suit to the Broncos funeral, right?

Like, no one was trying to suggest that. Yeah, and I just want to say that out loud because I think a lot of people were like, well, what if they do this? Like, do what they suggest or do what you want. Like, those are perfect. I would never suggest

not doing that. The people who I was talking about who came to funerals, another person suggested we were poor shaming. And I want to explain the people who were, who came to the funerals

that were, I thought, dressed in a way that was distracting. One of them came in a Cabela's hoodie that was camouflage. So they came and another person had Crocs on, right? So we're talking about people who they didn't, they didn't even bother,

like a lot of people were saying, well, some people can't afford suits. You're right. You should dress nice if that's the, if that's what is suggested, right? If it's a normal funeral, you should probably try to dress as nice as possible. And they were saying, well, you can't poor shame people. Well, look, the guy pulls up in a $70,000 truck in a Cabela's hoodie. Right. That is the reason why you dress in the same manner at a funeral is so you don't call

attention to yourself. That's why everybody does it, right? Everybody dresses in a very muted sort of way so that they can all focus on the one thing that day. And if you throw a wrench in that works and wear something that is out of the ordinary, that can sometimes be distracting. Think about it this way. A lot of people send us messages. They said, hey, screw tradition. Let me tell you this.

You're saying screw tradition when it comes to like clothing and stuff. But what if somebody came to a funeral and they had a Bluetooth speaker with them and they knew grandma liked fucking Sweet Home Alabama. So they start fucking rocking the Bluetooth speaker during while people are just visiting the casket. Right.

I don't think, now maybe I'm wrong, but I couldn't imagine anyone not being upset by that. Not thinking that that's not disrespectful. We have these traditions because they're important to us, right? Those things are important to us.

Sometimes those traditions get bucked. And I think from now until, I think maybe in 20 years, we could change funeral's completely. Couldn't change them to all celebrations of life, all parties, all whatever. But I think right now, the people who are gonna be dying soon

and within the next 10 years, they're gonna be boomers. And the people who they're gonna leave behind are probably boomers. And they're gonna really think, they're gonna be really deeply entrenched in that tradition. So in order to be as respectful as possible to those people, you should try to look as good as possible and follow

those conventions that are very, very strict for funerals. I just think that that's, I think that's a good thing to show people respect. Yeah. I want to add a couple of things. One, I want to recognize that some of, or all of my personal values around this are informed by my Midwestern upbringing. And so some of the feedback that I saw was like, hey, out here in like rural Wyoming, people wear their good jeans to weddings and their good jeans to a funeral.

And that's the cultural norm. Do the cultural norm. I guess what I am trying to suggest or what I was suggesting badly, and I totally get that it's my Midwestern values coloring and being writ too large. But like I would consider a funeral to be a formal occasion. Any formal occasion has a sort of default standard of dress and then has the ability to have a standard of dress as dictated by the host, right? So I've been to weddings where I get an invitation and ahead of time, it tells me, hey, this is going to be a casual barn wedding. Blue jeans are fine. I would not show up to that

wedding in a suit. Neither would I. But if I got a wedding invitation and it didn't say anything on it here in the Midwest or my friends in California, like whatever, I would attend that in a suit. Yeah, a suit or a nice outfit. A suit or a nice outfit. Whatever a nice outfit is. Right. So what I guess I'm saying is like,

if you know that your area has a different standard, dress to the highest level of formality to that standard or to what the host indicates on the invitation or other, you know, like if not an invitation to a funeral, but other like notice for the funeral. Let me jump in about the jeans thing real quick, because genuinely jeans are starting to make something here in our area too, where most people would instead maybe attend something that's formal with jeans and a nice blazer. So that's also something I want to say too, is that it might not be a suit,

but it'll be like a blazer and a jeans, like a nice jeans. And then I also want to give a piece of advice to people that have said, I saw somebody wrote like, you know, it's a big stress to me that I don't have a lot of money. And if somebody passes in my life,

I don't want to go and everybody's in a suit and I'm going to feel judged. That feels really unfair. When I was first starting out, I bought a suit from Goodwill. Yeah. I bought every, every seat I owned was secondhand. Yeah. So you can get a suit from the Goodwill lease over here. And I don't want to say this is true for everybody. So if it's not true for you, I'm sorry, this isn't good advice, but I've been to Goodwill and I bought nice jackets and suits for five, six to $10, somewhere around there. So maybe it's been a long time. Maybe

it's 15 or 20 now. Inflation, I'm sure hits Goodwill is like it hits everything else. But I guess I'm suggesting that a suit does not have to be a backbreakingly expensive. Yeah. It doesn't have to be Armani suit. Right. Yeah. You can get a pretty nice suit actually, if you just go looking a few times. I mean, you're not going to show up and like you get lucky every time, but like if you go show up with the idea that, hey, I'm going to need a suit for a formal occasion, I'm going to go to Goodwill every couple of weeks until I find one. I guarantee you'll find yourself a nice suit. My first three were from there and I wore them to weddings and I wore them to funerals. But like I said before, it doesn't have to be a suit either. It can be

whatever, but it should be nice. It should be, you should be trying to show the people that you're trying to be respectful for them. Yeah, you know, my wife and I talk about this all the time because she has a degree in communications and shows business as well. But, you know, our clothes are signifiers, right? Like there's a reason that people wear uniforms and it's because our clothes are signifiers to other people.

They are a kind of communication to other people. And I do think that it is reasonable and fair to acknowledge that is true. And that when we're going to go to something that is somber and formal, that we should try to communicate the right messaging with our clothes. If in your area and within your geography and your social circle, et cetera, it's not a suit, that's fine. No judgment. But if it is, try to wear a suit, head to the Goodwill, plan ahead of time to have something

formal. You should try, I think, as much as is possible within your means to make sure that you have a way to communicate a formal message. There are more than one occasion in your life where your clothing may help you in your life. Communicating a formal message. Job interviews, weddings, funerals, these things,

it's good to be able to put something on that communicates the message you want communicated. Whether or not that's fair literally doesn't matter. It's still true. Yeah.

Your clothes still communicate something. And, you know, when it comes to cultural norms, we follow cultural norms when it comes to everything, but then we'll get pushed back for, for suits. But you're like, you're following it for the other stuff too. Right. You're following it when you're being quiet, you're following it when you're following how people walk up and, and, and, and view the casket. Like, like you're not doing something out of the norm, any of the other places, you're only doing it out of the norm any of the other places you're only doing it out of the norm here

so there's a very like these are formal occasions and they're rituals and the thing I'm saying is I don't give a fuck about the tradition what I'm saying is care about the people right because it's the people who are having the moment

the tradition fuck who cares about it but the problem who are having the moment. The tradition, fuck, who cares about it? But the problem is that in that moment, that tradition grounds them. It grounds the whole experience for them. They're in a bad place. And that tradition is the thing that's sewing them up and holding them together.

So if you buck that, you might spin them out of orbit. And that's not a good thing, right? They're in a bad place. And so being respectful to somebody who's in a bad place, I don't think that's a bad thing. I don't either. All right. That's going to wrap it up for this week.

We're going to have a long form. And you know what? Talking about funerals, it's going to be about death. So check it out this Thursday. And if you're a patron by, I think, I think it's Tuesday, we should have the long form article from the Guardian and then a secondary article read as well about assisted suicide. So check us out this Thursday for that show. And then we'll be back next Monday, but we're going to leave you like we always do with the Skeptic's Creed. Credulity is not a virtue. It's fortune cookie cutter, mommy issue, hypno-Babylon bullshit.

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