Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 756: Bridge Conspiracies, Trump Bibles, and Demonic Voodoo

Episode Date: April 1, 2024

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Starting point is 00:00:58 It's skeptical, it's political, and there is no welcome mat. Today is Thursday, March the 28th. Cecil, can I borrow $170 million, please? Do you think he's going to make it? Yeah, I do. I think he's going to make it. I think that that number was probably created in a sidebar.
Starting point is 00:01:20 This is what I can come up with. You know, that that's sort of a thing. I think the I think that the the intention was to create a situation that Trump could get out of. Yeah. Right, that he wasn't gonna lose, start having his assets seized, start having his name taken off of buildings and shit
Starting point is 00:01:37 and start having all that happen. I think that was very much the intention. Told you. Very, very much. He's a fucking hornet that you literally cannot kill. But, you know, remember that like this is just the bond for the appeal. So if he loses the appeal and there's really no reason to think that he would win the appeal. That money just goes. Then it's not just the 170, it's the original judgment.
Starting point is 00:01:56 So the appeal. But all that money goes. Yeah. So all that money goes. Now he's 170 and then he's got to come up with the rest of it. And so that's when they start seizing up to what they need. Yep, absolutely. So I am still very hopeful that this hurts him maximally.
Starting point is 00:02:12 And actually it sounds like it's gonna hurt him most maximally anyway, right? Like, I mean not maximally, I guess, but deeply, because he just had to come up with 100 million or so for the E. Jean Carroll lawsuit, and now he's gotta come up with, you know, I think that's 170 million, I think the number is.
Starting point is 00:02:26 It's a lot of fucking money. You know, and I think he's out of cash. I think there's no more liquidity left. He's talking to people, these banks and other types of lenders and bond companies. And his son even said that they were laughed out of the room. Yeah, good, good. Get the fuck out of here.
Starting point is 00:02:43 Yeah, sell some more fucking sneakers asshole Well, he doesn't have to tell him because he has a new grift. He has two new grifts, right? Because he has the IPO launch of truth social right? That's right Did raise a lot of fucking money, but like the money that that truth social launch raised This is this is meme coin money, man. There's no launch raise. This is meme coin money, man. There's no possible way truth social will be profitable. It's impossible. I've read three articles on this. It is impossible that truth social will be profitable. That money is just fucking meme coin money. It's just money right down the fucking drain. It's like we invested in thinking thoughts about right
Starting point is 00:03:24 wing happiness. That's what it is. It's like we invested in thinking thoughts about right wing happiness. That's what it is. It's just garbage. And it's just gonna get flushed away. There's nothing that can save that. Cause you're not gonna be, how are you gonna be able to create advertising dollars? No, yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:34 It's impossible to create that kind of advertising dollars. It doesn't have the same sort of place that Twitter does on people's phones. It doesn't have the same sort of place in your brain that Twitter does or whatever other places, Facebook, et cetera. And it took Twitter like 10 plus years to become profitable. Like what a lot of people I think don't realize, I didn't until I started reading about it,
Starting point is 00:03:57 is a lot of these companies are venture capital funded. So they are not in and of themselves in the black. They are not profitable in and of themselves. Does Twitter ever profitable? Cause I don't know that it was. Twitter was profitable like twice. Okay. So Twitter is massively bigger than Truth Social.
Starting point is 00:04:14 Sure. And they struggle with their business model to make any money. Especially with the jackass in chief. Yeah, it's gone way down since fucking Musk took over. Like, which is great. I love that. I love that. I love that he spent $44 billion or whatever
Starting point is 00:04:28 his stupid ass number was to acquire a property that then lost the value immediately. Well, the other venture that I think is so important to the world is selling a Bible. God bless the USA Bibles, they're 5959.99. First, I want to just say, Tom, Bibles are loss leaders. Yeah, I know, man. You get a Bible for free. You can take the one home from your hotel room.
Starting point is 00:04:59 They don't... The people who print Bibles and buy Bibles and stock Bibles to give Bibles away, those people do not expect to make any money off the Bible. They want to make money off your ass in the pew who's going to tie to them every week. That's the money. It's a loss leader, man. Yeah, 100%. They don't want your $12.99 for their book, right? And it is funny,
Starting point is 00:05:26 just as an aside, whenever Haley and I travel, we always take the Bible and then we write where we were at on it and we take it home and it's become like a little souvenir that we take home. So we have a stack of the Gideon Bibles with like places we've been that have been written inside the Bibles. But they don't want your $12.99 because that's a one-time purchase, right? They want your 10% for fucking ever generationally. That's a way better business model. But what Trump needs is money to fund his grips. It was fucking gilded sneakers last week.
Starting point is 00:05:59 It was like, I promise I'm an astronaut or here's how cool I would look if I were a cowboy digital baseball cards before. I promise I'm an astronaut or here's how cool I would look if I were a cowboy. Digital baseball cards before is the cringiest shit that you could possibly imagine. And now he's grifting out Bibles, but it's not just a Bible. I want to read what it is. Can I read what it is? You gotta read it. It's the best.
Starting point is 00:06:17 So besides the King James Version translation, it includes copies of the United States Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, the Pledge of Allegiance, and Tom, a hand written chorus of the famous Greenwood song, Proud to Be an American. Handwritten by who? Jesus? Like, Jesus to write it?
Starting point is 00:06:40 But it's all kind of wonky because he's got a big fucking hole in his hand. That's fucking amazing. He's got a quill in ink because he's got a big fucking hole in his hand. That's fucking amazing. He's got a quill in ink and he's like dipping it in his hand. Is it to write? Writing through his hand. Fucking amazing. Trick writing.
Starting point is 00:06:54 Fucking amazing. It's so amazing that it has a fucking Lee Greenwood fucking... Lee fucking Greenwood. It's perfect. You can't... You couldn't feed this into chat GPT and tell me, make me the cringiest Bible. Remember when we were talking about like, how America has become and we really created a new religion. We've talked about
Starting point is 00:07:17 this a bunch. We've created a new religion, and it is different than Christianity. It is the sort of Americana Christianity that has really become like the hallmark and the foundation of what we think about when we think about right-wing politics now and the Christianity that has pervaded right-wing politics. There couldn't be anything more,
Starting point is 00:07:39 yes, that's what this is, than selling a Bible that is just like chock full of American, you know, history documents, you know, our founding documents, and then a fucking bad country song by a yokel. Just all just throw every and then it's just handwritten by whoever hand wrote it. Probably in fucking China. So right, you know that this is handwritten, not by Lee Greenwood, man. Lee Greenwood was right. You think Trump's right in this? I hope.
Starting point is 00:08:06 It just says handwritten. I hope Lee Greenwood wrote it. I hope it's some asshole like me with terrible handwriting. I hope you get some indecipherable gibber fuck writing, some hieroglyphic fucking second grader bullshit. It looks like a fucking doctor prescription. What I love too. God, it's so cringe Just what I love too. God, it's so cringe.
Starting point is 00:08:26 What I love too, I want to play this for you, Tom, because it's so fucking good. So they asked him about his Bible. They brought him on a show and they asked him about his Bible. So I want to play this for everybody so that they can hear what Trump had to say about his Bible. And where is this at?
Starting point is 00:08:41 Where do they have it? So this was on a TV show and I'm not quite sure exactly where it was from. It's Bloomberg listed it and it's called With All Do Respect. So I don't know if that's the name of the show or if they're quoting another show. They're using a clip from another show. I'm not quite sure. You mentioned the Bible. You've been talking about how it's your favorite book. And you said, I think last night in Iowa, some people are surprised that you say that.
Starting point is 00:09:05 I'm wondering what one or two of your most favorite Bible verses are and why. I wouldn't want to get into it, because to me that's very personal. You know, when I talk about the Bible, it's very personal, so I don't want to get into verses. I don't want to get into... There's no verse that means a lot to you
Starting point is 00:09:18 that you think about or cite? The Bible means a lot to me, but I don't want to get into specifics. Even to cite a verse that you like? No, I don't want to do that. Are you an Old Testament guy or a New Testament guy? Probably equal. I think it's just been incredible.
Starting point is 00:09:31 The whole Bible is an incredible... I joke very much so. They always hold up the art of the deal. I say my second favorite book of all time. What's your favorite? Hold on. Hey, so... There's no way. So you're not a... Are you a New Testament or Old Testament guy? Hold on. Hey, so... There's no way.
Starting point is 00:09:45 So you're not a... Are you a New Testament or Old Testament guy? Equal. This is exactly the same thing as when Sarah Palin is like, I read all the newspapers. Who's your favorite apostle? I'm kind of a Ringo guy. Apostle Phil. I think Apostle Phil was good.
Starting point is 00:10:01 You know, what's your favorite song? Hard Day's Night. Kind of good. If I'm in the mood for it, Hey Jude. He has no idea what he's talking about. The reason why he immediately shut down the conversation is because he has never opened a Bible in his life and he's using it to grift religious people. That's all he's doing. And the best part is the religious people are buying it.
Starting point is 00:10:22 You stupid motherfuckers. Some of them are buying it. Some of them are pushing back. I've seen articles. Oh, has he gone too far? Some evangelicals think this has gone too far. Oh, I kind of hope that he's finally pushed it more. I hope this is, this is the thing. You made fun of their fucking goofy little book, right?
Starting point is 00:10:39 This nonsense book that has been passed down and passed down and passed down and pretends to be this Tome from the Lord that gives us all our instructions and also tells us about our history. It's a piece of garbage Yeah, it's inscrutable nonsense today. It doesn't mean anything to anybody. It's the most basic Platitude garbage when it comes to morality It has terrible ideas that lead to a ton of really bad interpretations that cause people to harm other people. It's not a great book, man. No, it's not. It is a book that leaves out and doesn't address some of the easiest,
Starting point is 00:11:15 most basic moral questions of all time. It is a bloodlust book. It is 100% a fucking bloodlust book. The Ten Commandments are trash. They're absolute trash. They're trash for what they say and they're trash for what they exclude. And then like you said, it's full of just a bunch of stuff. Like it's full of a bunch of parables of shit that never happened. It's full of a bunch of like historicity of bullshit
Starting point is 00:11:37 that never fucking happened. And it's just full of a bunch of like you said, inscrutable writing. Read Revelation and tell me that that's anything. Revelation is nothing. Read Revelation and be like that's something meaningful to me. That is gonna affect how I live next Thursday. That's nonsense man. Read fucking any of the the parables and things that are happening early in the Bible when somebody comes up and says hey that's my baby she took it okay cut the baby in half. And one person's going, mm-hmm, sure, cut the baby in half.
Starting point is 00:12:06 And the other one says, no, oh, it's clearly your baby. Who the fuck falls for that, man? Why would she even take the baby? And she was just like, you know, what I really wanted was just half a baby. I didn't want to eat the whole baby. What kind of dumbass story is that? And how is that your fucking thing
Starting point is 00:12:23 that you passed out from fucking father to son to daughter to whatever the fuck? How is that and how is that your fucking thing that you passed out from fucking father to son to daughter to whatever the, how is that, how is it? I do like, read about Abraham, read about Lot, read about fucking Job, any of those stories, read them and be like, okay, all of those are the worst. They're the dumbest. They're the worst. Like you would not, you would not, if it was not written in the Bible,
Starting point is 00:12:42 and I told you that story and changed the names but kept the essential story the same. And I said, here is one of the wisest tales that can possibly be told. And I told you that story, excluded from the context, with different names and changed the locations, right? And said, but same story, same exact story. Nobody would buy it.
Starting point is 00:13:00 Nobody would be like, that has actually got mad wisdom. I am changed from hearing that. It's just wouldn't. You just a hundred percent wouldn't. It's nothing. There's more wisdom in the fucking sour grape story. Yes. Like Aesop's fables.
Starting point is 00:13:17 Aesop's fables actually does contain a hell of a lot of wisdom by comparison. You're absolutely right. It's a great. That's a great one. And you know, like that's written around the same the same time. You just chose all the worst shit. It's awful. The Bible is fucking awful. But these Christians are fucking all furious because we got a guest in the studio. There's like a little moth flying around. I think I got it.
Starting point is 00:13:39 They're all furious because like, oh, this is now too far. Wasn't too far when you approved of the police beating protesters in the street far. Wasn't too far when you approved of the police beating protesters in the street. It wasn't too far when people were being tear gassed and they were being hauled off in unmarked vans, right? It wasn't too far when veterans were getting their fucking arms broken for standing too close to the fascist supporters
Starting point is 00:14:00 of fucking state-sponsored violence. None of that was too far. It wasn't too far when you were doing everything you could to accelerate and spread a fucking plague around the United States. It wasn't too far when he took credit for the plague and he also took like, like, like undermine the vaccine that he was taking credit for.
Starting point is 00:14:19 None of that was too far. It wasn't too far. Like no matter what he did, none of that was too far, right? There's a thousand things I could name. None of that was too far. It wasn't too far. No matter what he did, none of that was too far. There's a thousand things I could name. None of that was too far. The tariffs on China weren't too far. Moving our embassy in Israel wasn't too far.
Starting point is 00:14:32 Just a fucking panoply of awful shit. And the Christians are like, well, you can't sell our book. This is it. This is your line in the sand, you fucking moral pussies. I think it was because it wasn't ever them, right? Yeah. That's the only reason. Now he's victimizing them.
Starting point is 00:14:48 Right, yeah, yeah. Before he was victimizing other people and they don't care when they actually, in fact, they like it when he victimizes them. That's what makes them choose him. But when it's suddenly us and he's using us and it's such an obvious fucking grift, I mean, it's such an obvious grift.
Starting point is 00:15:04 Now don't get me wrong, there are gonna be be people who are going to see this and they're going to think this is the Bible for me. I'm a religious person and this is the Bible I'm going to have. There's going to be a ton of people who are going to be waving these Bibles around. Don't get me wrong. But I did see some unrest popping here and there. Good. And I think this could be one of those things that, you you know is the release valve that is needed on a lot of these evangelicals who have been riding his his train the entire time and has anything ever looked more desperate than his shoe sales and his fucking Baseball card bullshit and his fucking lee greenwood handwritten
Starting point is 00:15:40 Bad lyrics to a shit song handwritten tom hand Written by somebody in a fucking factory. It's a font. It's a font. It's a font. It is a font. They put it in a thing. Somebody put it in Photoshop.
Starting point is 00:15:55 Back when I used to work, I used to work at a university and they had a person who what the university was named after. Well, that person lived in manuscript days, right? Yeah. Well, we had a font that somebody had created based on his handwriting. Oh shit, that's awesome. So you could write based on his hand, you could write a couple quotes out from him
Starting point is 00:16:14 that completely fabricated, like, I like big butts and I cannot lie or something. You could make him say that through his font, his manuscript font. So anybody can, literally, it can look like anything you want. Right. When you were a kid, did you ever get in trouble and have a writing assignment? Yeah, sure.
Starting point is 00:16:35 Can you imagine if this were handwritten? I agree with you, it's probably just screen printed or just printed out. Well if it's not, let's assume for funsies that it's actually handwritten. That means that it's somebody's job to have a bad punishment from your dad. Right? Somebody's got to go to work, their hands all fucking cramped up and shitty and just like, ah, fuck, I got carpal tunnel and shit. I got to write the goddamn proud to be an American and you know it's not being done on shore.
Starting point is 00:17:00 So you know there's somebody offshore somewhere making fucking 18 cents an hour with fucking crippling hand arthritis writing, and I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know, whoopsh, whoopsh, whoopsh, I'm free. Faster, write faster, write the fucking proud to be an American faster. That's in a Bible sweatshop. For real.
Starting point is 00:17:23 The only way to make this make sense, right? Yeah. Fucking shit, man. It's in a Bible sweatshirt. For real! The only way to make this make sense, right? Yeah. Fucking shit, man. It's amazing. It is, it is peak America. Send me back to the Cobalt mine. I don't want to write more of these fucking lyrics. Peak America.
Starting point is 00:17:36 It has happened. Yeah. What is it you want me to reconcile myself to? I was born here almost 60 years ago. I'm not going to live another 60 years. You always told me it takes time It's taking my father's time. My mother's time my uncle's time My brothers and my sister's time. My nieces and my nephews time. How much time do you want for your progress?
Starting point is 00:17:59 All right, this story comes from AL.com and some Alabama thing Alabama Democrat. Alabama Democrat, Marilyn Lans running on IVF ruling, flips Republican House seat. Fucking A, man. Good, this is what Democrats need to do. This is the blueprint, right? This is the blueprint. This is a seat that went to Trump by 20 points. Like a district that went to Trump by 20 points.
Starting point is 00:18:22 And she didn't just win, she fucking curb stomped one. There is a piece that went to Trump by 20 points and she didn't just win she fucking curb stomp won There is a piece that is important to also mention is that the person who? The reason why they're even having this special election is the person who won that seat by 20 points was also caught for corruption Yeah, so he was caught and removed from the body That means that there is a possibility that some people are voting because of this IVF, but other people are voting because the corruption pissed them off. So there's a possibility that's the case. But even still, it still is heartening to see because this has been exactly what has happened every single time they've decided to try to play with reproductive
Starting point is 00:19:01 rights and put those reproductive rights on the ticket somewhere, no matter where it's at. Now this is it indirectly, right? You have a reproductive right that is indirectly on. This woman is saying, I'm pro IVF, person who was before her, or at least the judge in that state was not. And that's a reflection of this person's character
Starting point is 00:19:22 and a reflection of their values. And so they chose to put this person in the in the seat. But everywhere else across the country, we saw we talked about it the entire time. Since Dobbs, we've talked about this. This is really Democrats have an opportunity to and they fucking better seize it because this is an opportunity where they like you've said before, the dog caught the car when Dobbs when the Dobbs decision happened that is a fantastically unpopular decision by
Starting point is 00:19:51 all polling people don't like this decision this is not a popular decision this is a fantastically unpopular decision and as it ages it gets less popular yeah it's it is not doing well at the polls every single time and without exception, that there's a referendum on abortion. That referendum goes in the pro-healthcare stance every single time. We've not had a single loss, not a single loss on any of these referendums. Democrats need to see this and say, this is our moment. What are we running on? What are we running on? We're running on this. We need to fix this problem.
Starting point is 00:20:26 The only way we're gonna fix it is legislatively. We lost a judiciary. We have to fix this legislatively. We've got to run on this. I think they've got to put these people who have been talking, because the Republicans, 201 just about, have been vocal in their support for dobs
Starting point is 00:20:42 and for pro-life stances. They've had to. It's been a litmus test for the right for a long time. So if you're running against a Republican, it would not be difficult to find video, audio, writing of their pro-life stance. Put that shit up there. Put yourself next to it. That's that guy. They want to take your rights away. I don't. Who you voting for? I mean, like really make this like a stark a B choice Don't we need to simplify a B choices? I think one of the things that you got to do if you're running against them
Starting point is 00:21:14 Is you need to look at all their previous tape and you need to take that tape and find Places where they say that life begins at conception. Yeah, yeah. Because everybody across the country saw this and they saw, like you pointed out, this is the logical extension of life begins at conception. IVF rulings that took it off the board for people, that specifically says life begins at conception. That is the natural extension of that philosophy.
Starting point is 00:21:48 You can't look at it any other way. If you start going across the country and start saying, this person said life at conception, this person said life at conception, this person said life at conception. Suddenly you're putting big targets on a ton of people who might not have been assailable before, but suddenly, because this one judge
Starting point is 00:22:08 tried to take it to its logical extension, he could doom several Republicans across the country in the upcoming election. Absolutely. We should have a really solid playbook for 24. We should have a really solid playbook for November. I think the Republicans for the longest time have told us who they are.
Starting point is 00:22:27 They've been telling us what they want. They've been telegraphing the world that they're trying to build. And as they start to build that world, it becomes apparent that, oh, they weren't fucking kidding. That's actually exactly what they always said. That's exactly what they always were gonna do. It's exactly who they are.
Starting point is 00:22:43 This should actually be pretty simple to run against because last time I checked, most people in this country are women. It's 51%. It's 51% whose health care is literally at stake. Most of this country's health care is at stake in this next election and in every subsequent election. But like if we lose, it's really hard to call your rights back. The one thing that is missing from what you're saying though I saw a graph the other day that was posted and they showed who would have won the elections if only women voted in America and if only men voted in America, and if only men voted in America since Reagan. So that presidential election since Reagan.
Starting point is 00:23:29 The only time a Republican won, when you only counted women's votes, the only time a Republican won was Reagan's second term. The rest of the time, it was, you know, Dukakis won. They had Gore won. They had Kerry won. So all these losses that the Democrats have taken, the women already vote Democratic. The women, a lot of women already vote Democratic.
Starting point is 00:24:00 What you've got to do is some of the other pieces that people are putting into place where they're trying to take and make men responsible. That is where you're going to start to see some real change in those places. Because if you look at the opposite of that graph, there's like one Democratic president since the 80s. Really? If they only counted mail votes? I think Clinton won both, but Barack Obama's first term and that's it.
Starting point is 00:24:30 Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. But you know, like what abortion and reproductive rights issues could do too is mobilize people who don't normally vote.
Starting point is 00:24:39 That's also true. That's also true. I won't discount that. I think they could mobilize people who don't vote. I think they could move the independent needle a little bit. I think they can move the centrist needle a little bit, and it should be more than just women, right? Like men should care about this deeply, deeply too, right?
Starting point is 00:24:55 If you were in a situation where somebody in your life becomes pregnant and you're a man and it's not you, right? Like you, it's not like there's no fucking stake in that game. Like you may still have a financial responsibility. You still, it still might fundamentally change everything in your life, like effectively overnight. There's a lot of like trickle down effect,
Starting point is 00:25:17 even if you're not the one who's getting pregnant and giving birth. I don't disagree. It's amazing to me that men don't seem to have the same, or not even not the same, a similar gut reaction to their own sort of mortality on this issue, right? Because like, yeah, right now,
Starting point is 00:25:35 if you're involved in a sexual transaction and the woman gets pregnant and she can't get an abortion, you're on the financial hook, and you also might be on the emotional and social hook. It's a big fucking deal. You know, it's a big fucking deal. So like we all have a stake in this. So I was speaking about just women
Starting point is 00:25:52 because like, obviously it's like their body. But we all have a lot to lose by hurting women. Yeah, I agree. And I think it's also should wake people up and say, they came for their bodily autonomy and I didn't say anything because it wasn't mine. Right. You've got to look at the women across the country
Starting point is 00:26:12 losing their bodily autonomy and say, what's next? Yeah. What's next for all of us? Yeah. Do they want to keep me alive like the guy in that Metallica song? Right. Yeah. When they want to die.
Starting point is 00:26:23 Right. You know? Yeah. Well, and you know, they've, they've as? Yeah, well, and they've as much as said that, some judges have as much as said that, well, with Dobbs, gay marriage is back on the table. Even some of them said like contraception is on the table. Some of them even said like anti-miscegenation laws may be back in play.
Starting point is 00:26:39 And you're like, we're building a world that's gonna be 150 years in the past if we're not careful. This was a conspiracy that had to get all those people to lie. Man, this is from NPR. The Baltimore Bridge collapse gave conspiracy theorists a chance to boost themselves.
Starting point is 00:26:55 So everybody knows, I think at this point, that a container ship with like 95,000 tons of cargo, an enormous, enormous container ship, ran into the Francis Scott Key Bridge a day or two ago when we were recording. This thing had happened Tuesday. The bridge collapsed. Six people, I think, are presumed dead at this point.
Starting point is 00:27:16 A huge infrastructure snag. You know, ships can't get through. It's a big fucking problem. That's just the thing that happened because the ship's power went out. They recovered the black box. There's no, there's no like conspiracy here. Within minutes, man, the conspiracy started flowing.
Starting point is 00:27:35 And I think one of the things that this article points out, which is something we talked about with the Super Bowl, is it says, the title is, Chance to Boost Themselves, right? And I think we talked about it with the title is chance to boost themselves, right? And I think we talked about it with the Super Bowl when we said, it's not about the Super Bowl, it's about the chance to use that hashtag to get my name out there at the same time.
Starting point is 00:27:55 They find these culture war battlegrounds because they're the most famous things right now on the internet. And the same thing happens here. One of the people who came out and said it was a false flag or something, a terrorist attack, was Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate.
Starting point is 00:28:13 And so they took his tweet and they sort of quoted it and then there's a bunch of stuff underneath it that says it's false, but it's basically him just saying, look, it's a terrorist attack. Well, Andrew Tate doesn't have a theory about this. What Andrew Tate does is he sees that there's a hashtag that's circulating, finds out about it, and then immediately has the hottest,
Starting point is 00:28:37 most controversial take he can have, because Twitter is perfect for this. What Twitter allows is, it not only allows me to disagree with you and write something dumb, but it also allows me to quote tweet you. So if I quote tweet you, that sends your tweet to more people. Now, maybe it's gonna go to a bunch of people
Starting point is 00:28:53 that are gonna flame you, but you don't care, because just like P.T. Barnum said, I don't care what you say about me, just spell my name right. And that's essentially what is happening here, is these guys are all jumping on this grenade as quickly as they can. Their takes are the stupidest takes in the world, but it doesn't matter as long as it gets pushed out into the world and into the ether and people
Starting point is 00:29:17 see it and say, okay, I'm going to go check this guy's Twitter feed out. He'll get followers because of it. Yeah. you know, all brands have understood this basic tactic for time immemorial, right? It doesn't matter what your commercial really says. If you can get people singing the jingle, if you can get people recognizing your product from the billboard, from iteration, iteration, iteration, iteration.
Starting point is 00:29:39 That is how you create brand recognition. So suspected sex trafficker Andrew Tate tweets out this fucking nonsense. It has nothing to do with whether or not he believes it to your point. He's trying to get his brand out there. It's another opportunity to put his brand in front of more eyes. And fucking Alex Jones sees it. And Alex Jones is like, Oh, World War three is happening.
Starting point is 00:29:59 It's World War three right now. Bro, Alex Jones. And he like puts it out there because it's another chance for him to get on the big screen. It's like they're all jumbo trotting themselves. Your Super Bowl analogy is perfect, because they're all jumbo trotting themselves right now. It's the opportunity that they have to get on the big screen and get in front of the big camera.
Starting point is 00:30:17 So like, as soon as this happens, there was a million conspiracy theories that popped up. You know, some people were blaming it on, you know, I mean, literally name anything, COVID vaccines. I saw fucking people blaming a boat hits a bridge and people are like, COVID vaccines. DEI hires. DEI hires, yes.
Starting point is 00:30:38 Diversity, equity and inclusion is why a boat hit a bridge. The amount, let's say that's the other thing is that whatever your Nonsense du jour happens to be whatever is your particular brand that you're grifting off of because that's the other thing Is these guys are all grifters, right? They're all creating a brand and that's not the end. That's that There's something something profit is they sell you some shit, right, so the more you know Andrew Tate, the more you know Alex Jones,
Starting point is 00:31:10 the more you know any of these grifters, the more that name recognition clicks and rings, and clicks and rings, and becomes embedded in your brain like the fucking Empire carpet number, the more that when they go to grift, when they go to sell their next product, when they go to sell their supplements, when they go to sell their shit, there will be a credibility attached because that name
Starting point is 00:31:28 in your mind has been linked to something. It flags differently. It's brighter on the fucking infographic of your brain. Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So this whole thing, brands have always known this, man. You're absolutely right. And these people have been using social media this way for years. And it's something that, you know, took me a while to understand. I always thought, oh, well, who is this guy and why does he have this take? And it never occurred to me that it's, he has a take because it's a great thing to attach
Starting point is 00:31:58 his kite to right now. That's the only reason. Andrew Tate doesn't care about this bridge. Andrew Tate's not an engineer. He has literally no idea. Also, why would you go to somebody with suspected CTE to tell you about your bridge? I would never ask him a question
Starting point is 00:32:13 about any kind of structural engineering ever. He can't even protect the structural engineering of his own head. Why would I fucking trust him with a bridge? I would ask him what the prisons are like in Romania. Yeah. He probably knows that. He knows that, right? Sure. him what the prisons are like in Romania. Yeah. That's all I'm kidding. He probably knows that.
Starting point is 00:32:26 He knows that, right? Sure. Hey, what's jail like in Romania? That I would ask him. Anything else? Literally anything else. I cannot think of a single thing I would want his hot take on.
Starting point is 00:32:35 No, yeah. He's got, like the guy has no fucking credibility, but he's got a brand. Look, it's so funny because a lot of these guys will flash to you just how much success they have grifting you, right? Andrew Tate is the best example. He'll stand in front of all the cars your dumb ass bought for him, right?
Starting point is 00:32:55 And he'll stand in front of it and like wear fucking crazy clothes and all the rest of it like, you know, bling himself out with all this stuff that he bought grifting you. And then he'll sell you this idea back to yourself that if you give him money, it's not just to pay for his Bugatti, it's so you can get a Bugatti of your own. You can get your own Bugatti. It's literally that prosperity gospel
Starting point is 00:33:17 for guys that can't get laid. Yeah, it's in-cell prosperity gospel. That's exactly it, that's perfect. That's fucking perfect. You went here for some marijuana marijuana Man, this is some bullshit Marijuana is not a drug. I used to suck dick for coke. I see them
Starting point is 00:33:39 Now that's an addiction man. You ever suck some dick for marijuana, huh? No, no, I can't say I have. I didn't think so. Fool this man! No! This is great. This is from Newsweek. Kyle Ritt now storms off the stage after being confronted by students. He was speaking at a Turning Point USA thing.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Yeah, and it's Charlie Kirk is that Turning Point USA guy, I think. I'm pretty sure it's Charlie Kirk. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, he's the fucking worst. And so here's the short video of it. I'm going to play it. People who are listening, what happens is, is someone from the crowd is recording and also is quite loud in this. So the voice you're hearing constantly is the person who's filming. You might be able to hear Kyle say something.
Starting point is 00:34:29 He'll probably say something like, I don't know anything about that, but that's really all Kyle's gonna say in here. And then he gets marched off at the very end. So. I'm the CEO of 24USA. Charlie Kirk has said a lot of racist things. What racist thing has Charlie Kirk said?
Starting point is 00:34:46 No, no. We're going to have a little bit of a dialogue about what racist things has Charlie Kirk said. OK, I'll answer the question of racist things he said. He said we shouldn't celebrate genitine. We shouldn't celebrate Martin Luther King. We should be working those days. It's called the Tawny Brown Affirmative Action Hire.
Starting point is 00:35:06 He's tailed nonsense about George Floyd. And he said he'd be scared if a black pilot was on a plane. Does that not seem racist? I don't know anything about that. That's not the intention either. That's a false. Okay, well, after all the things I just told you, would you consider a hate speech?
Starting point is 00:35:25 I'm not gonna comment on that. Oh, boy! Then he gets walked off the stage. Yep. Pretty much right afterwards, he gets knocked off. He gets walked off the stage. He gets walked off. Damn near gets vaudeville hooked off.
Starting point is 00:35:37 What is, there's good and bad here. The good is that there's people there who are engaging him in dialogue and he can't have those conversations. Immediately he gets pulled off. Now it sounds like there was more back and forth than what was put on in just a short video. It sounds like there was maybe more time
Starting point is 00:35:57 that he stood up there and did some dialogue with people. But at the end, when they asked him some questions, they finally walked him off when he couldn't take it. And I think the good is, it shows that I think that they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to people who they're putting up on stage. Fuck yeah, man. Kyle Rittenhouse? He's not a person who's a thinker. He's a guy who used a gun they like. That's literally the only re- he used a gun they like to kill someone during a time they didn't like.
Starting point is 00:36:29 Yeah, I- he is so emblematic of the problem. The fact that they would elevate Kyle Rittenhouse to some kind of status as if Kyle Rittenhouse were anything other than a guy who murdered people. That's all he did. Like this is a fucking 17 year old kid who murdered a couple of people and now he's become their hero. He's not a thinker, he's not a speaker, he's not an author, he is not anything except for somebody who showed up to a rally, he murdered two people and something because he had an AR-15, because he was opposing the Black Lives Matter protests, he's become a hero of the right?
Starting point is 00:37:11 Yeah. I mean, that tells you everything you need to know about the right. Kyle Rittenhouse, he's got no thoughts, he shows up, he's not educated, he doesn't even know shit about like Charlie Kirk. It's Charlie Kirk's fucking event. He doesn't know anything about what Charlie Kirk stands for. He's just places. Kyle Rittenhouse is just cashing in
Starting point is 00:37:30 on the rights bloodlust. And their need for him as a sort of like murder totem to say like, hey, sometimes white people can get away with murder even when it's fucking filmed and on TV and loud and proud. And isn't that great? The right. I think the difference between him and somebody
Starting point is 00:37:49 like Milo Yiannopoulos though, is Milo Yiannopoulos is a rhetorician. So he can sit on stage and say snarky shit and he would get away with what, he would be able I think to sit up there and weather those questions. Oh yeah, he would banter hard. Because he would banter back and he would say something.
Starting point is 00:38:07 Same thing with Ben Shapiro, right? I don't think Ben Shapiro is an amazing speaker or someone who has amazing thoughts and is brilliant. I think Ben Shapiro is just really good at debate. And good at debate in the sense that he's a rhetorician. Not good at debate and winning a debate. He would never convince me that he won, but he can change the subject very quickly and get the audience to think about something else very quickly. I've seen him do it multiple times. So those people aren't vulnerable to what
Starting point is 00:38:33 happened to him. They're just not vulnerable to that. 100%. And I think like, while it's great that it happened to Kyle Rittenhouse, I also want to point out, I don't think this is a playbook that somebody else wouldn't probably gobble up. Oh yeah. It works, like you said, it works with Kyle Rittenhouse because he's a fucking dummy and he's ill-prepared and he's inexperienced. So he's just some fucking guy standing in front of a podium that they trot out and they
Starting point is 00:38:56 really should just trot him out and have him take pictures because he's got nothing to say. That's all they want to do anyway. They just want to make you mad. Right. That's all they want. Nothing to say. So they to make you mad. Right. That's all they want. Nothing to say. So they should really just trot him out and everybody can take a picture with a fucking
Starting point is 00:39:08 murderer and then they can feel like they're whatever they need to feel like. And that's it. When you put him in front of a podium and he's going to be asked questions by the audience, he's going to get fucking slaughtered. He's just and he did. He's just, I mean, can't answer even a very easy basic question about the host of the fucking event that he's at. That's pathetic.
Starting point is 00:39:26 That's genuinely pathetic. And what I'm looking at, intimate is the stud muffin's middle name. So tell me, my man, you nervous in the service? Not really. Speaking of Charlie Kirk, Tom. This is unbelievable tape. Let's, I'm gonna just gonna-
Starting point is 00:39:45 We gotta play the tape. Well, it's, so the problem is, is that it's a seven minute tape. So I have to go, I have to fast forward quite a bit to get to the quote, but this is Charlie Kirk on, I don't know, his- Thought crime show? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:58 Charlie Kirk and some of them. And it says like, recolonize Haiti is the name of this. So that'll tell you like how fucking terrifying this is, but I'm gonna try to play this for everybody so that we can hear what Charlie Kirk has to say about Haiti. If you don't know what's going on in Haiti, Haiti is kind of a mess right now. There's gangs that have taken over,
Starting point is 00:40:19 their prime minister stepped down, it's factions of people, there's compounds now. Bodies in the street. Their previous prime minister or president, I don't remember what it was, was murdered in his apartment or his home. His wife actually was arrested recently for conspiring with the murderers.
Starting point is 00:40:43 And then the interim prime minister, president or whatever it is, recently like flew to, I think Kenya, to ask the African Union to plead with them for help. And then he was prevented from returning because warlords took over the airport. So he got redirected and couldn't even land in his own country.
Starting point is 00:41:01 So it's bad, it's really bad. So here we go. So here's Charlie Kirk. And I don't know if I'm gonna be able to in big and eight this every time I hit the button, it doesn't let me. So, you know, disaster state, I don't know if it's fixable.
Starting point is 00:41:14 And one of the reason is that I think, first of all, I think part of the country is literally under a spiritual oppression. I've talked to missionaries and missionaries that have gone there and they say they've seen the darkest stuff that a human being can see. In fact, I know people that have come that went to Haiti passively as like agnostic atheists and they came back searching for Jesus because they saw like legit demonic
Starting point is 00:41:35 activity. Do you have to say anymore? Um, yeah, there was one guy who saw somebody who literally didn't sleep for two weeks and would just like run, literally run around and not sleep for two weeks. I ran to the whole island. I was gonna let you play it. I really was.
Starting point is 00:41:52 I'm gonna let you finish. I'm gonna let you finish. But like, how would you know somebody didn't sleep for two weeks unless you also didn't sleep for two weeks? I had a camera on him like paranormal activity. Right? Wait, I just like, maybe they're sleeping when you're sleeping. There's also reasons why somebody sleeps less that might not be demonic related.
Starting point is 00:42:16 Like everything is not demonic. Like everything that you see is not demons. Like first of all, whatever you saw, it wasn't demons. But also you didn't see somebody not sleep for two weeks. You literally can't do that unless you're like chained to that person. Unless you do that. And you are also awake for two weeks, in which case were you also possessed by demons? They weren't as energetic. I just like even just the first claim and you guys, I don't know if you can see this, but you know that thing when somebody is searching for the next lie they're going to tell and they're
Starting point is 00:42:52 pausing and kind of looking around and they're sort of examining the vault of their own brain for whatever bullshit they're going to say next. That's exactly what he did. He's like, can you tell us more about it? He's like, fuck, I'm going to have to make up a story. And then you can see him making up the story in real time. The story he made up isn't even all that. Once I saw a guy who didn't sleep a lot.
Starting point is 00:43:13 Doesn't necessarily mean it's paranormal. It just means that somebody didn't sleep a lot and was energetic. I know several pieces of several different drugs that would cause somebody to do that sort of thing. The other thing too is it reminds me of Pat Robertson who a long time ago, Pat Robertson had that, you know, Haiti sold their soul to the devil. You know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This guy's basically Pat Robertson with a smaller face on a bigger head. That's basically what he is.
Starting point is 00:43:41 Like supernatural type capacity. There are claims that people have seen like quasi levitation stuff. What would quasi levitation be? That's binary. You're asked either levitated or you stood on your tippy toes. I don't. The quasi levitation is what David Blaine does. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:00 Right. That quasi. See, he pulls a quarter out of your ear and a millennium Falcon out of your nose. And he lives in an ice block for six months or whatever. And then transfers your brain into a chicken for 10 minutes. And then you come back. He quasi-levitated. He quasi-levitated after not sleeping.
Starting point is 00:44:19 He stayed, he skipped his nap and then stood on his tip toes. Demons. Quasi-levitated doesn't have to run up the stairs to ring the bell. It just goes right up there. Like almost head spinning type stuff. Almost. It's not full head spinning. I can do almost full head, almost head spinning. Man, it's not fully Tom. It's not. It's almost though. I mean, it's almost it's what? 120 degrees. Andrew says this was very common. Yeah. Here's one that when Andrew was in Haiti,
Starting point is 00:44:48 there were common stories about people turning into cats at night, which I don't know. They all knew someone that turned into cats. Again, I'm not sure about that. They all knew someone Cecil. I heard a guy once. I knew a guy who turned into a cat. He slept for 21 hours and then he pissed in a box.
Starting point is 00:45:04 I heard a story about a guy who turned into a cat, slept for 21 hours and then he pissed in a box. I heard a story about a guy who turned into a cat. This one time at band camp, I turned into a cat. I haven't heard that, but this like supernatural energy or just also the stuff where, you know, you look in the Hollywood films where someone like looks possessed, right? Imagine like entire towns that look that way. No, like imagine it. Can you just like imagine if like you saw something from like a movie and then there's like a whole town
Starting point is 00:45:37 that looks like that? Who is this guy? I swear to God, if you are the audience for Charlie Kirk, what the fuck fucking brain injury have you suffered in your life? You really, there's something went wrong in your life. Jesus, you fucking Drano drinkers. This is your guy.
Starting point is 00:45:51 This is the guy who's gonna feed me amazing information. Holy shit. I saw a guy who once said to somebody that he knew once had a story about a guy who turned into a cat. And then he stood on his toes. Dun dun dun dun dun dun. You know, the reason why you listen to Charlie Kirk though
Starting point is 00:46:08 is so you can confirm your own biases about people who live in Haiti. Yeah, man. That's the only reason. So you can be fucking racist. So you don't like the people who live in Haiti. You think they're lesser than you. And then Charlie Kirk says, they're not only lesser,
Starting point is 00:46:22 they're demonic. And a lot of people down there are demonic. So anything that happens to them or someone going in there and basically wiping that slate clean, which is what you're talking about when you say recolonize Haiti, that's what you're talking about. Well, that is perfectly justified because they're demons.
Starting point is 00:46:40 Yeah, it is a loss of national sovereignty and autonomy in favor of white saviorhood through violence because they're less than people. It's just fucking racist shit. Because they once heard a story about a guy who turned into a cat. The guy who turned into a cat was very energetic about it. We got to go right meow! I have the perfect solution. If I turned into a cat, Cecil, I would also not be a problem. Like if I turned into a cat, I'd be like, cool, I'm making biscuits and taking a nap.
Starting point is 00:47:19 That's it. Dude, if you're a cat, why is that even scary? It's like Chucky being scary. Chucky isn't scary. He weighs two ounces. You kick him as far as a football. That's not frightening. Chucky isn't frightening.
Starting point is 00:47:35 He's funny. The same thing here. A cat, that's not scary. If you turn into a fucking giant ghoul that's like the size of my door and can't get through, that's scary. If you turn into a cat, I think, cool, just curl up my legs when I go to sleep. Yeah, I know, right? Like, what if I'm just gonna jump up on the bed and like curl into a loaf? Like, that's it? That's my thing?
Starting point is 00:47:58 Your cats don't sleep on you, do they? No, they don't fall asleep on me. Cat, our cats, every night, we lay in bed, and the cats will, I lay, I'll lay, and my legs will be a little apart. And so all three cats will lay in between my legs as I sleep. And then every time I have to move, I have to lift,
Starting point is 00:48:18 and then shift them over on the other side, and then I'll lay there, and then I'll turn over. And the moment I turn over and that opening opens up again, they get up and go back in there. They get their spot. So the whole night, it's just a, it's like a ballet between the cats and me turning and the blanket and them sliding. I love this. Once in a while they'll jump off, but they literally spend the entire night, like three
Starting point is 00:48:40 cats piled on each other on me. That's the whole night. That's amazing. Sarah never has to deal with it. It's always on me. They always are on you. Always on me. That's the whole... That's amazing. Sarah never has to deal with it. It's always on me. They always are on you. Always on me. You probably run hot, man.
Starting point is 00:48:48 I don't know, man. I don't know what the deal is. I think they just recognize that I kind of have big legs and they can all fit in there. They can all cuddle up. They probably can't do that on Sarah. And they're like, no, I'm going to do that. So they literally just pile on me like fucking...
Starting point is 00:49:01 And sometimes it's the worst because it's warm and you're just like, Jesus Christ, get up. Holy shit, you're the hot...'s the worst because it's warm and you're just like Jesus Christ get up. Holy shit. You're the hot in the in the winter. It's not bad. Right. Keep our house cold. But in the summer you're like oh my god I'm a fucking bird up. It's the worst. I'm too twitchy for the cats to sleep on me like I fall asleep and I'm like fucking flailing around too much. So the cats would just be like no man get the sail. This one is not that one's not that one one's gonna get up. He's energetic, he's gonna run around. This is Jesus Christ and I just broke into the pizza hut
Starting point is 00:49:32 and I broke the window and I'm here. Jesus is here now, he's back to earth. And what was your name again? My name is Jesus. What's your last name, Jesus? Christ. And what do you look like? I look like Jesus.
Starting point is 00:49:42 What else am I supposed to look like? This is unbelievable. This story comes from the Tennessean Tennessee Senate passes bill based on chemtrails Conspiracy theory so they basically pass the bill through their Senate's gonna go to the house This actually might become law and it's basically like you can't do no chemtrails over Tennessee. That's the law guys I'm you gotta read it. So alright, over Tennessee. That's the law guys. You gotta read it. So, all right. So here's, here's the law. The intentional injection release or dispersion by any means of chemicals, chemical compounds, substances, or apparatus within the borders of this state into the atmosphere with the express purpose of affecting temperature, weather, or the
Starting point is 00:50:22 intensity of the sunlight is prohibited. Y'all can't do no chemtrails down here over Doe, Tennessee. Get that back up to Kentucky. Don't make no chemtrails over Tennessee. These are politicians. These are people who with power. These are people with power to change the laws in their state. They're fucking stupid.
Starting point is 00:50:43 This past overwhelmingly guys, this was not close. This was an overwhelmingly past the Senate. What I like is that the rest of the article is essentially chemtrails aren't a real thing. Yeah. That's... It's all like get the fuck out of here. It's fucking water vapor. Yeah. What the fuck is wrong with you? The article is great because the article even goes into say like, not only they're not real, but practically speaking, they can't be real.
Starting point is 00:51:09 Yeah. Like the technology doesn't exist to make chemtrails do any other things that the chemtrail nuts think chemtrails can do. God, if we could, man. If we could do some of those things, we could maybe change our global climate. Yeah, well, I do worry, Cecil, that we will,
Starting point is 00:51:27 because there is some talk about what if we were to seed the environment with something that, to some degree, some percentage disperses or reflects back some of the sun's rays, right, to reduce the greenhouse effect. And I worry that even if we were to build this, we would never be able to enact it because the nut jobs will not let us solve this problem.
Starting point is 00:51:50 I am dreadfully worried that the nut jobs won't let us solve climate change. That they will not let us, that we will literally come up with a solution just like we came up with vaccines for COVID. And the nut jobs are like, yeah, well, we'll make that as shitty and difficult and, you know, hard as possible and we'll pass a lot. We won't wear masks
Starting point is 00:52:10 and you know, like, you know what I mean? Like they're just going to get in the fucking way. I think there's ways to get around it. They just have to change their technology so you can't participate. I think that's the key. Sure. There's going to be plenty of people in there that say, you know, you put something in the atmosphere and it reflects and you know, maybe that won't get passed anywhere because there's too many people in the Senate or the House or wherever,
Starting point is 00:52:31 maybe even in the presidential chair that won't allow that to happen. But I think about other types of technology, just a piece of technology that sucks CO2 out or something like that. Carbon capture. That is a lot more palatable for them because they just can't do it.
Starting point is 00:52:47 They might think they can't go near it like a 5G tower or whatever, but they're gonna be crazy about all these things anyway. So it doesn't matter. The worst thing that'll happen is once in a while, somebody's gonna get a gas can and try to light it on fire. That's really about it. I think you're gonna have to come up with solutions
Starting point is 00:53:05 that avoid the dumb because they're going to have to be as an engineer, not just thinking about this problem. You're going to have to be thinking about this problem and how you can implement it without upsetting the apple cart of the dumbest human beings on the planet. Because we've got, we've got a non-zero number of people that are fucking afraid of windmills. The goddamn former president of the United States, he whips up anti-windmill sentiment. Windmills have been around since the fucking 1400s, man. Windmills were like, whoa, whoa with the windmills. I'm just floored. I've lived my whole life. I was born in 1978. I have lived my whole life knowing that fossil fuels were either a dwindling resource, right?
Starting point is 00:53:52 That was the big thing in the 80s is that we're gonna run out. We're gonna run out of petrochemicals. We are going to run out. We'll be out of them. Now they keep finding more and they keep finding more ways to extract petrochemicals. So the running out problem has been temporarily solved, right?
Starting point is 00:54:08 That can has been at the very least kicked down the road. But that was the big problem. And everybody was like, we've got to find other ways to power the world. This was back in the eighties when we weren't talking as much about climate change. Then in the nineties and two thousands, we started talking about climate change.
Starting point is 00:54:22 We have solutions like, hey man, what about if it's just wind or just sunlight? And these things work. They work so fucking well at this point. They work fantastically well. These things combined with nuclear, we wouldn't need an electric car. You wouldn't need any petrochemicals at all. We're like there. Do you know what I mean? We're there and we refuse to be there We're looking we've like done all the science work and and now it's not science that has to be done now It's policy that has to be done and people are just like nah I want to roll some coal in my fucking truck nuts truck and you're like thanks. You're all trash
Starting point is 00:55:02 It's like that episode of the Simpsons where like, all the super smart people were in charge. We just need to live in, and I know it doesn't go well, but I don't give a fuck, we still need to live in that world. Because the world we have now, which is like, hey, that guy gets to vote. Like, no, I mean, that guy should just, he should put his head underwater. Put his head underwater.
Starting point is 00:55:19 When you talk about the people who are gonna be driving those trucks, the thing is, is that nobody's ever to be driving those trucks, the thing is, is that nobody's ever going to stop driving those trucks. A lot of people won't. They'll just keep doing it forever until there is no one who's producing the... That truck.
Starting point is 00:55:35 Well, not the truck, because they'll keep the truck. They'll just keep machining parts and making sure it runs. It's the gas. The moment you start getting rid of the gas and making the gas very difficult to get, then they'll drive it less and less and less and less. You gotta take the fuel out of it. You gotta pull the fuel away from it.
Starting point is 00:55:50 If you can do that, then you have something. If you can't do that, you're never gonna get rid of those things. And I think the real key is make it less profitable. Less and less and less profitable. Make the other things more profitable. You'll get those giant companies that are these huge billion dollar companies to slip
Starting point is 00:56:06 away from whatever it is. They don't care about the thing. They only care about the money. Yeah. That's something too that I'm not sure like everybody understands is nobody cares about the widget. Nobody gives a fuck about the widget. They're selling you the stock price.
Starting point is 00:56:21 That's all they care about. Whatever widget they got to produce for their stock value to rise, they'll do it. It doesn't matter if it's sunshine power or if it's petrochemical power. They don't, there's no, like nobody has at those levels, nobody has an ideological stance here. This is not based, rooted in some kind of like principle. It's just pocket lining. It's just pocket lining. Actually, I'm usually- Check this out. My lips don't move.
Starting point is 00:56:45 He'll come down from the stand, say something like, who is this little friend? And he'll say, my name is Judge. Whose name is Judge? My name is- Okay. That's a silly name. That's enough. Judge.
Starting point is 00:56:56 My name- Yes, I am judging your name. It am silly. Is- Please stop. Oh, now you're correcting my grammar? Joe, I'm not going to put Franklin on the stand and your lips aren't moving. Just a little bit.
Starting point is 00:57:04 Judge. He's right. His name is Judge now. Now you're correcting my grammar job not gonna put Franklin on the stand and your lips are moving just a little bit He's right. His name is judge now Business insider lawsuit by Elon Musk Twitter was an attempt to punish free speech judge says Also guys the picture they use of Elon Musk up here is so Wonderfully unflattering really is it is so wonderfully unflattering. I adore this picture. There is nobody that would like this picture more than Sarah McLean. Oh, I know.
Starting point is 00:57:29 Yeah, she would love it. She would love it. The person who runs our social media would absolutely love it. Would love this photo. I think I might get the screen printed on a shirt for her. We could send her a really nice print of it to put on her wall. We should do it. Like, we should get like a six foot by six foot print.
Starting point is 00:57:43 Buy like the Getty images and turn it into a giant, send her a really nice print of it to put on her wall. We should do it. Like we should get like a six foot by six foot print. Buy like the Getty images and turn it into a giant like canvas. Yes. Print it on canvas. Send it out. So Twitter was filing a lawsuit and the judge threw it out and was basically like,
Starting point is 00:58:00 fuck that noise. No, absolutely not. The lawsuit here is that they were, they had a group of people that said, Twitter is becoming more and more of a hate speech place. It's becoming more of a platform for people with hate speech. And this talk back and forth is what caused several people to leave Twitter,
Starting point is 00:58:23 I advertiser specifically, and then Elon Musk sued them because he didn't want that to be true, but it's true. It's true. And you can't, like, no matter what happens, you can't, no matter how much you try to sue somebody, if something's true and the judge hears it and says,
Starting point is 00:58:39 no, that's real, that's okay, then it's okay. It's not defamation, you're not slandering the network at all. What you're doing is saying a real thing about something that's okay, then it's okay. It's not defamation, you're not slandering the network at all, what you're doing is saying a real thing about something that's happening. The one thing I worry about is that this company or these group of people, these researchers were able to defend themselves. What if, can this have a chilling effect to stop voices
Starting point is 00:58:59 that don't have the funding to go to court like this? Oh, absolutely, yeah, absolutely. And that is, I think that's probably like the biggest problem, right? Because the way the justice system works, especially with civil justice, is typically it has nothing to do with who's right or legally right.
Starting point is 00:59:17 It has to do with whose pockets are bigger. Because if I have bigger pockets, I can fight harder, I can delay, I can cost you money you don't have, I can force you to spend money into bankruptcy, and then I just de facto win. And we never even end up at a settlement, we never even end up in front of a judge. Court cases can take weeks, months, years,
Starting point is 00:59:34 they can cost hundreds, thousands, millions of dollars in order for them to even be considered and defended. So yeah, I mean, a guy with pockets this big, he effectively has unlimited civil action power. And that's a terrifying thing. I actually think there should be a cap on the amount of money any individual person can use in litigation in the civil court system, because it's so egregiously disparate.
Starting point is 01:00:02 It's weighted so deeply on the people with deep pockets. They can just do whatever they want. They can run it just like our government. Yeah, and they can just, I mean, the biggest, and Trump's doing this now, the best thing for rich people to do is to spend their money delaying, because basically the other guy just runs out of money,
Starting point is 01:00:20 and then it ends, and then that's how the whole system breaks. It's like if Elon Musk were to sue me tomorrow, I lose. I will lose that lawsuit before we ever even get to a mediation room because I can't afford to fight. So I would just have to find a way to settle immediately. So yeah, I absolutely think it has a chilling effect. Yeah, I think that's the problem.
Starting point is 01:00:43 That's the difficulty. Glad this didn't work out for him. Yeah. And I'm glad it wasn't something that he could sue somebody for. But at the same time, I'm sad that this is the tactic that people use. And this is one of those guys too, that's I'm a bad, it's a bastion of free speech. It's a bastion of free speech. And then someone says something and he said, well, not that. Not bad. Yeah. Not bad. I don't want that kind of free speech. Pointing out the truth on my fucking shit network cost me tens of millions of dollars. And you're like, well, yeah, like you said,
Starting point is 01:01:10 well, true things are still true, bro. Doesn't matter how many times you sue people. I don't know, maybe don't have a fucking platform full of hate speech. That was a really good, there's a solution to this, right? You can't feel bad, right? The solution to this was always don't have a platform with unmediated hate speech. Try to have platforms with little to no hate speech. Like it's so simple that you shouldn't even have to say
Starting point is 01:01:37 it, right? Like, I don't know how much child pornography should be in this house. None, man. Zero. What? None. Zero amount. What? None. Negative amounts. Right. None. Did you think of it? Cause I'm going to smack you. I'm going to smack you.
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