Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 768: Giuliani's Birthday Summons, Alito's Troublesome Flags

Episode Date: May 27, 2024

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we bring critical thinking, skepticism and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big or makes us mad. It's skeptical, it's political, and there are no more witnesses. We're done. We're done with witnesses. The Trump trial number first and probably maybe only. Yeah. I mean, if we get to the election and I don't know, George just seems like it might be okay.

Might still run it. You think it might still run this year? Yeah. They probably won't be able to, if Trump wins, they won't be able to like do anything until he finally steps down. Right. So you think that trial will actually commence this year? I don't know that it'll start before the election, but it might start this year.

God, that would be fascinating if it was happening like literally on election day, if like the trial itself was taking place in November. What's so interesting is Trump has to, because he can't really travel too far away from court, at least he couldn't before, he had to like do campaign stops in places that are in New York,

and nobody in New York likes it. Yeah, it's like there and back places. So he decided to do a rally in the Bronx, but I guess the Bronx has this section that's above the Bronx that's like a more suburban type area. I don't know what it's called, whatever. It's a New York thing, whatever. But it's like a bigger, way bigger than the Bronx area where they're all going to come

down from this like whatever's north of the Bronx, where I guess it's more Republicans because they have to get other people from outside of the city who will vote because they never fill in anything. Nobody inside New York City is going. I want to tell a story. Traders coming into rat city. I gotta tell you like traders coming in a rat city. Hey, tell a story. Tom and I were walking with Eli Bosnick and we're in New York and this is,

this is in 2015 Trump announced and we're walking down the street and, uh, we're talking about Trump and we're going back and forth to sort of making fun of him and just bullshit, you know, just bullshitting. And I say, I, I should probably vote for him as a joke. And clearly I'm joking with the guys. And this woman who's walking behind us, totally dipping in our conversation goes, fuck you if you vote for Trump.

And then Eli immediately starts to apologize to her. Oh, no, no, he wouldn't vote. It's okay. And I was like, what the fuck are you apologizing to that person for? Like who cares who that person, who cares who they are right, but he was immediately no no other New Yorker. I live here, too Nobody we recognize one there from out of town. Yeah, they're free I think it's like no they're from Chicago

They don't if they're from out of town. They don't know what they can't say hilarious It's so funny cuz Eli was just falling all over himself to apologize to this random lady. It was so strange. And I was like, that is so New York. Like it's just so fucking, it's so quintessential New York. It is. That town, I mean, it's rats, it's old leftover pizza, and it's like people butting into your... Donald Trump. It's Donald Trump and people butting into your conversations. That's a trash on the streets.

Exactly. It's a great America's first city. Tom, before we get started, we got to talk about the creator accountability network. We do because we are credentialed. We're credentials. We were actually the first people, I think, in the podcast network to be credentialed because we went through the training, two trainings before I think anybody else did. I think so too.

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at his own birthday party after mocking Arizona attorney general. Giuliani was indicted in April in connection with an alleged conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election results in Arizona. I hate, by the way, having to say alleged. I know. I hate it. He fucking did that. Yeah. That is what he did.

Like a hundred percent. That's like locked in. Okay. It's locked in. So, so this is great because Giuliani was taunting, taunting attorney general, Chris Mays on social media for failing to deliver his indictment. He said, and a thing, if Arizona authorities

is a post on Axe or Twitter, whatever, if Arizona authorities can't find me. A now deleted post. Now deleted, a shame post. I think that's the most important piece of this story is because after you find out all the pieces of this, you'll know why it's deleted. A fucking, you know that when he deleted,

he was fucking sweating motor oil, you know? Just absolutely leaking. That guy leaves the office with the cubes and he's pouring shit down his face. Get this lady to eat these cubes. Get the Socrates to eat these cubes. Get this octopus to eat these cubes. All right, so he said, he's taunting authorities. He says, if Arizona authorities can't find me

by tomorrow morning, one, they must dismiss the indictment, two, they must concede they can't count votes. This was on Friday night that he posted this. And then he posted a picture of himself smiling with six other people and a bunch of balloons arranged behind him. An hour and 15 minutes later, this post goes up from the attorney general, quote, the final defendant was served moments ago at Rudy Giuliani. Nobody is above the law. He was served, you guys, at his own fucking birthday party.

At his own birthday party. And I want to read, so Ted Goodman, a spokesperson for Giuliani, said the mayor was unfazed by the decision to try to embarrass him during his 80th birthday party. He enjoyed an incredible evening with hundreds of people who love him from all walks of life, and we look forward to full vindication soon. It's not embarrassing. Nobody's trying to embarrass him. They've been trying to find him for weeks first, right? So if you were at the places where you said you'd be, they would have just fucking served you and nobody would have had to see it.

But instead they had to fucking track you down to where you would be publicly, where you told other people you would be publicly, where you invited hundreds of people to be where you would be publicly, so they could fucking serve you your papers. And it's not embarrassing. What's embarrassing is that he tried to overturn the election. That's embarrassing. What's embarrassing is when he tried to destroy American democracy. That's the embarrassing part. That's very embarrassing. Don't fuck yourself. You're a spokesperson for Randy Giuliani.

You asshole. Also, like, I love how he tries to, like, flex big balls here. Like, oh, he's looking forward to his chance. He's looking forward to it so much, he tried to hide from it. For like weeks. He's like he's like looking out his fucking mail slot. I'm not afraid of you. I'm not telling you where I am, though. Looking out his fucking mail He's hiding in the vent between two motel fucking rooms they got a fucking throw

Drag him out to feed him and then shove him back in there. So he doesn't get fucking served Are you kidding me? This is like picking a fight with somebody then running away and then like once you're safe being like I'd have beat his ass I'd have beat his ass three o'clock high the fucking indictment Fuck you Rudy Giuliani Spokesperson he's not the mayor of any day Motherfucker hasn't been the mayor of shit in 20 fucking years Yeah, man, what do you are if you get elected mayor once is that just like an honorific you get forever? This motherfucker hasn't been the mayor of shit in 20 fucking years. Yeah man. What do you, if you get elected mayor once, is that just like an honorific you get forever?

I guess you get to be mayor from that point on. That's why I think we still call him Mayor McCheese. He is still the mayor of McCheeseville. McCheeseville? Cheesy town? Who is going to unseat Mayor McCheese? I don't know. What is that election like?

What is that election like? Is it like an Arby's sandwich trying to like usurp the throne? Is Grimace the mayor's spokesperson? Oh, oh, that fucking Robble Robble guy tries to steal the election. Tell me, tell me fucking Hamburgler Does it look like Rudy Giuliani with a thing over his face? Tell me that's not true We're calling it up. You're calling up the fucking rubble rubble. I'm gonna blow your mind You've never seen them both in the same place at the same time

You saw fucking rubble rubble and Rudy Giuliani in the same place at the same time? I gotta put it up there because there's a probably, maybe half our audience has no idea who the fucking Hamburgers are. Oh yeah, because they're fucking young pups, they don't know anything. They don't watch commercial television, are you kidding me? And we're gonna see. We're gonna look at this together. And we're gonna see. Is there a seat? Can't see it, look, look, can't see, hold on.

Yeah, fucking hamburger ties his tie like Trump does. Fucking hangs like three inches below his dick. It really is long. Okay here we go. Alright here we go. Open image in a new tab and then we put it side by side. Okay guys. Oh my god. Alright guys here we go here we go. Are they the same person? Ian, Ian I need you to color that fucking mascot on Rudy. Oh my God, Hamburglar. Hamburglar. If you don't know what we're laughing at, this used to be a mascot along with, they had like a four person group. It was Ronald McDonald, Grimace, Mayor McChese, and the burglar.

I can't, I don't think there's anybody else. Yeah. I think it was just a, it's like a four person group. That's right. Who's the bassist? And do you remember like at some of the McDonald's back in the day, back in the 80s, they had these like play places outside where each of the entirely metal play sculptures were shaped that were made to knock all your teeth out of your mouth and they would get guys So they were made they were shaped like the grimace one was shaped like a weird purple jail made out of metal

Yeah with bars you could get into that was weird because that was grimace grimace was fat Then they had like the the the the hamburger or the mayor McCheese was like a tower thing I'm trying to do slid down. his mouth, you slid out his mouth. But they were all made out of shiny fucking sheet metal. And in July, you basically, you could cook like a hamburger. Yeah, if they ran out of grill space, they'd run outside.

Nothing was as hot as the old school, like back in the 80s, the sleds, the slides and shit, and like the toys and shit at parks were made out of like barely smooth sheet metal. You remember this? You'd go on a slide and you would burn the fuck out of yourself. If you wore nylon, you would just stick

because it would melt. Yeah. Can I ask a question? Why would they make grimace to jail and not the camera? I don't know what they did. I thought that was so weird, but it's true. It's like everybody played Jalen that thing. It was the only thing to do.

Somebody find these pictures and make us an image of Hamburglar as Rudy Giuliani. Come on, find this picture especially. It's a great picture. It says first thing that came up when I Googled it. Have you ever seen, I'm sure you've seen this. So periodically, if you just drive around enough, you will see somebody's backyard that has at some point purchased one of the Play Place structures

and put it in their backyard. I've seen a hand, I've seen maybe 20 of them in my life. Somebody, some McDonald's somewhere got rid of them because nobody uses them anymore. They were just intensely dangerous. Yeah, no, yeah. They'd probably make you sign a waiver when you buy it. For real.

And these things all end up in somebody's backyard. And that person's backyard, it's always the same kind of person. It's a backyard that has like flattened beer cans all over the garage and like signs and shit. And a windmill made of beer cans that's been ripped open. And then in the backyard they'll have like weird shit they got somehow. And like I can't, I've seen these repurposed McDonald's things and I'm like God as a kid, as a kid I can't imagine the joy if your dad came home with a fucking like, hey guys I

got, I got the fucking, I got the burglar. My dad could beat me every day and I'd be like, he got me the hamburger. I love him. Tom, one day you're going to be going down, you're going to see an estate sale with a mayor machines. I'm buying it. And you're going to buy it. And you're going to put it in your living room. My living room I'm going to put in the bedroom, I'm going to put a mattress on that thing. I'm going to in the bedroom, I'm gonna put a mattress on that thing. I'm gonna fuck inside of Hamburglar. There's just like a weird swing contraption attached to it.

Oh god, amazing. your deal. Waving that sign, unconvincingly trying to pretend that you are real. Beckoning to traffic, plying your charms, working your magic with those automated arms. All right, this story comes from the independent, the headline sees all, and we talked about headlines last week. The headline says Trump appears to freeze for 30 seconds on stage during NRA speech. The sub headline is truer. Biden and Trump campaigns continue to trade barbs over accusations. Candidates are senile.

So we watched this video and another video actually that's also underneath it. And I wanna be very clear, he doesn't fucking freeze. No, Biden wins tweeted out breaking, Donald Trump glitched out and froze at his rally tonight. He is clearly unfit for office, retweet every retreat so every American knows he is senile. I want to play just a tiniest little piece of this so you can see. I'm not going to play the

whole thing because I don't think it's, I mean, it's just, it essentially just goes on like this. So it's unimportant, but I want to play this piece for you. Nation in the history of the world Okay, so if you're watching this you just saw him pause when the music started if You're listening this what you heard was him speaking and then music starting What we have here is bad AV Somebody didn't tell him that the music was gonna start or or the music's louder than it was going to be. He didn't know if he was going to talk over the music or not. He eventually, if we fast forward all the way to the end, he makes a decision.

Now he stays silent most of the time. He's moving back and forth. You can sort of see in his head, he's thinking of maybe speaking, but I want to play the last piece of this so you could see him finally start to just decide to talk over the music. So at the very end, he makes a decision to do it. But now we are a nation in decline. You can also free info kits on gold IRAs. Oh my God, I know, I know. But genuinely, what you're seeing is Donald Trump

not sure what the stage direction is. Exactly, yeah. And you can see, you can hear too when he picks back up that what he's trying to do after that long pause where the music was playing, now the music is still going on and I think he can sense like, okay, it's gotten a little awkward, is he's trying to ride the moment through the music.

He changes the cadence of his speech and he tries to like bring some like, and now, and like ride into the music. Which I totally get that. Like having done a lot of public speaking, sometimes your AV goes weird and it does sort of like hold you up for a second. Then you have to like figure out

why you're gonna like punt in the moment. Either you're gonna make fun of the AV or you're gonna talk about it or you're gonna be like, what is that music? Or you're gonna like punt in the moment. Either you're gonna make fun of the AV or you're gonna talk about it or you're gonna be like what is that music or you're gonna just wait not sure it's gonna stop continue whatever and you're gonna write it out and that's what he did. This and look I hate everything about Donald Trump. 100% I hate it. He's the fucking worst.

I don't want to see him in power as the president or even in any, I don't want to see him as Mayor McCheese. Okay. I don't even want to see him. Unqualified. A Mayor of McDonald's land. Don't want to see it. He'd be the Ham Byrdler.

Byrdler. But I don't want to, I don't want to see him as, as in charge of anything. Right? I want to see him actually. Behind bars. I want to, yeah, I want to see him pay for the crimes that he committed, which he committed several crimes. All that being said, this is not him being CINO. This is him trying to figure out what's happening with the music. It's bad stage direction. That's it. This is genuinely a misinformation tweet. That's what it is. This headline is playing itself off

as if it's saying, look at him glitch out. But what it's really saying when you read the byline is, the two campaigns are fighting and we're gonna tell you what the campaigns are saying. Whether or not there's any veracity to that doesn't matter to us. We're just gonna tell you what they're saying. I wanna play the other piece for you too for a second.

This is Donald Trump. Now this is straight up Biden HQ. This is Biden's official Twitter account. They say, a feeble Trump nearly falls down on stage after he leans on his podium too hard and then goes on an angry rant calling his event workers crappy. Now, absolutely the last part. True, right? He does do that. Yeah. It's hardly an angry rant though.

But it's, but it's, if you listen to it, he's just doing crowd work. So let me play this for everybody. This is Donald Trump. The first thing you're going to hear is him sort of lean on the podium. The podium is not like, like actually on the ground. It's like one of the movable podiums and he, and it starts to turn a little bit and he, and he does lose his balance. But Americans are not struggling. You know, this is the worst platform. Who put this stage up? This is the way the frickin place is falling down. I noticed it keeps tilting further left. Like too many other things.

What a crappy contractor this was. So I hate this man, but those are good jokes. What a crappy contractor this was. I hate this man, but those are good jokes. It's legitimately well played. It's like well done. What it is is it's just good crowd work. He noticed something was wrong. He had a slightly embarrassing moment.

He had a way to deflect it. Now, do I think it's good to call out people who, you know, probably don't make a lot of money and have to set up these fucking... No, of course not. I don't think that's good at all. And I don't think that that's good comedy in that sense. But the leans to the left, that's a good joke. It's a funny on the moment joke. That's not him being doddering. No, nothing about him was enfeebled. He like, he barely lost his balance really at all. He lost his balance because clearly the podium,

which he moved very easily afterwards, like to like remove in a position, was not bolted to the stage. It wasn't, it was not clearly very heavy. He leaned on it. I would have, I could see myself doing the same thing. I don't like this guy. Like I'm not, I'm not, you guys know,

we are the furthest from Trump apologist. Like he's a fucking horrible human being. But this kind of bullshit is wrong. And when the left does it, it's wrong. When the right does it, it's wrong. Misinformation hurts all of us. When the independent fucking reports it with a clickbait bullshit liars headline, it's wrong. This is doing us all a disservice.

I think the Biden HQ one, the last piece of it, they're going to be workers rights. Cool. I'm with you. Right. I'll be I'll play with you with that. But if you're going to make a statement about him being, you know, like, what did they say? I want to read it again just so we can we can we can put in You know, like, what did they say? I want to read it again, just so we can put in context the entire tweet.

They say, a feeble Trump nearly falls on stage. Both of those things didn't happen. After he leans on the podium too hard and then goes on an angry rant, again, doesn't feel like an angry rant. I'll allow it because that's just interpretation, but then saying, calling the event workers crappy. Like, get a better editor and leave it at the last piece.

Don't call the people who help set up the thing crappy. That's shitty of you, Donald. Say something like that, perfectly fine. I'm on board with you. You say something like this, you're trying to make it seem like he's not worthy of the office because of his physical limitations and his mental limitations.

Stop it. It's super... Quit it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Quit it because you know what? You're not gonna convince anybody what that might do is embolden people. Yeah, if I was anybody, anybody with a fucking brain in their head, I would be like, oh shit, I would click on it watch it be like, that's not what happened. Yeah. Now you look like a liar Click on it watch it be like that's not what happened. Yeah now you look like a liar Because you lied that's the reason by HQ in this moment You look like a fucking liars because that's a liar's tweet Do you remember that jackass that we watched a diddly guy or whatever diddly whatever the fuck is? His name is diddler that guy on fucking YouTube who said he basically looked at the audience and he said I don't care if it's a lie I'll make up anything. I just don't want the other side to win

So I'll make anything up and put it up there. Don't fucking sink down to that level. There's plenty of shit you could talk about Donald Trump saying. There's plenty of things, right? We're going to talk about some things later where some of his editors fucked up royally, right? Some of the editors that do that do the work for him fucked up royally. That's some shit you can call out. He says insane things all the time. He meanders and rambles and makes no sense. There are so many legitimate moments

to go on the attack. So choosing illegitimate moments to go on attack, this is Trump stuff. This is what Trump does. This is the world we're trying to move away from. Let's not go into his world and sling mud with this fucking guy who we all have said, fuck, this guy ruined American politics. Let's not get in there and be like, well, if it's ruined, I'm playing too.

That must be the, yeah, this is the, if this is the new rules and that's what I'm doing. I want, I want to say too, it also feels like Biden HQ is saying, we're weak on the older part, we're weak on the senile part. 100%. And we've got to now project onto them that that's where that's, he's the same or he's worse. And you're like, dude, you look weaker if you do that. You look weaker if you do that. You look weaker and you also lend credibility

that this is a legitimate criticism we should all be paying attention to. Absolutely. Okay, well, that's interesting. You know why? Why? Because... Stories from the New York Times,

Trump opens door to birth control restrictions, then tries to close it. Wub wub wub wub wub wub wub. So I've got to read what he fucking said, because, you know, we were just talking about Trump a second ago. And I just, I'm going to read word for fucking said because you know, we were just talking about Trump a second ago and Just I just I'm gonna read word for word and this is what you put right? This is what you tweet this is because this is not only

Incredibly damning in terms of a policy position, but also he legitimately sounds like an unhinged Dipshit he sounds like a guy who does not know what is happening in the moment, completely inarticulate. When asked if he supported, quote, restrictions on a person's right to contraception in an interview with KDKA, a CBS affiliate in Pittsburgh, Mr. Trump gave a vague answer. Quote, we're looking at that, and I'm gonna have a policy on that very shortly.

I don't think it's something you'll find interesting. And it's another issue that's very interesting. But you will find it, I think, very smart. I think it's a smart decision. See, so what the fucking shit does that mean? I'm reading it again. It doesn't mean anything, man. I'm reading it again.

We're looking at that and I'm going to have a policy on that very shortly. Okay, stop there. That means you don't know anything about it and they literally blindsided you because your brain is the size of a fucking teacup and you can't keep all that information in there so you have no idea what you're gonna say later. And it also means, and we know this,

it also means that he is unwilling to say, oh, of course people have a right to contraception. The easiest answer. Or, of course people don't have a right to contraception. The easiest answer. Or, or of course people don't have a right to contraception. Right. He does not want, this is what we talked about this point, he wants to own both sides of the position for as long as possible so he can sense the wind. Yep. That's all this fucking guy does, right? So, but what he says, and he's gotten away with this for an entire career, he might become president a second time. This answer makes no sense.

We're looking at that and I'm going to have a policy on that very shortly. And I think it's something that you'll find interesting and it's another issue that's very interesting, but you will find it, I think, very smart. I think it's a smart decision. I can't- That last bit doesn't mean anything. It's just gibberish. It doesn't mean anything.

It's honest gibberish. It's just him saying, you'll find what I'm going to say in the future, because I have nothing to say about it now, interesting. That is, I read that and I... And I think you'll find it very interesting. And I think you'll find it smart. It's so smart. I think you'll find it very smart.

This is a guy who is genuinely an inarticulate asshole. In any other context, if he was your third grade teacher, you'd be like, this is unacceptable. You cannot speak with the clarity required to teach third grade. They asked him, they pressed him on whether the, whether his answer suggested he might support restrictions. He said, you know, things really do have a lot to do

with the states and some states are going to have a different policy than others. Well, you're going to leave contraception up to the states. That's what you're going to do. Yeah. This is what? Monstrous, monstrous, monstrous. He's like, first of all, just say it.

Just fucking come out and say it. But he doesn't. It's all weasel shit. It's all between the lines weasel shit. Because the other thing that sucks about the way that he speaks is it's not like somebody can come out and say, hey, you said you were gonna turn contraception

over to the states. He can say, no, I didn't. What I said was things really have a lot to do with the states. It's all this fucking backhanded wiggly shit. Even if he said it, he would deny it. He would, he would just say he didn't say it. He would just say he didn't say it. He would literally just say he didn't say it.

Even if he presented with a tape of him saying it. He explicitly said it. Even if he had just said it. And they show him the transcript. And then they play it for him, he would still say I didn't say it. That's doctored, that's deep state doctoring of video. Yeah, it's fucking crazy.

Guys, like the right to contraception, holy fuck, the right to contraception. If you don't believe that all of this is absolutely a specific strategy for the patriarchal powers that be to 100% as much as they possibly can in every possible way to disempower and disenfranchise Women then you are absolutely you've got your head up your ass.

That's what this is about. This has nothing to do with an ideology or a religious stance. This is 100% a way to control women, nothing else. That's what this is about. That's what these men wanna do. They wanna own women's bodies. When we look at an election, we often look at an election as if we're going to

vote in this election for this guy or this guy. And what we often forget, and this is what happened in 2016, is that when we vote for this guy or this guy, those people have an immense amount of power about the future. Not just now, not just this four years, not just what they can do right now, not just now, not just this four years, not just what they can do right now, but when they appoint people to the Supreme Court, they have an immense amount of power on the future of this nation, a generational power. And that can happen in windows in our government, right?

Because they normally appoint these people and they have what, like a 30 year shelf life, something like that, that they put on. And so as time goes on, these people start to get older and older. For instance, in their seventies, there's two people on the right that are in their seventies. Thomas, and I think it's Alito.

I think they're both in their seventies at this point. There's some younger people on the, you know, you're talking about Gorsuch, who I think is like late fifties, early sixties. And then you have Kavanaugh and Barrett who are in their 40s. So you have people who are really young who have 30 years ahead of them,

probably 30 years ahead of them, 25 years ahead of them, but then you have some people who are older. Donald Trump gets elected. Make no mistake about it. He's gonna replace the people that are on that, that are in their 70ies with 45 year olds. He will have then selected five members of the Supreme Court by one president over a span of 12 years.

He would have selected five members of the Supreme Court and those people will have 30 year lifespans on the court. You're talking about generational change in our country. You're not just voting for Donald Trump. You're not just voting for Joe Biden. You're voting for the future of the country, because 70 years old is pretty old. Yeah, man.

That's getting up there. And, you know, there's a possibility they might not retire if Biden gets elected. They might not retire in four years. But if things are looking up on the up and up, and there's nobody there to run in that's gonna look like they're gonna run against the Democrat and win, because it won't be Biden. It'll be Harris or somebody else.

What's gonna happen? Then now you're looking at eight more years and win, because it won't be Biden, it'll be Harris or somebody else, what's gonna happen? Then now you're looking at eight more years for somebody like Thomas, who's been on the court for a very long time, since the 90s, right? That's a guy who's been on the court for a really long time. So you're not just voting for this guy or that guy,

you're voting for the future. And you cannot get it more specific than what's gonna happen in the Supreme Court in the next 10 years. And not to mention all the federal court appointments. Absolutely. They make incredibly impactful decisions, like wildly impactful decisions.

Not all the decision, and the president appoints an enormous amount of judges over the course of their tenure. And those judges steer the ship. They are the current of the water. They steer the ship. I have, I have an idea, Cecil,

for unrelated to anything we were just talking about, just an idea, just occurred to me. We should start a send baked goods, like butter-based baked goods, to our right-leaning friends on the Supreme Court. Like a lot of them. Like yeah. Lard-based, butter-based, baked goods.

Delicious tasty treats. With just delicious copious amounts of layered butter. I'm talking like laminated doughs. Sure. Delicious flaky pastries, the kind of like pastries that your heart just cries out for. You know, where your heart is just like in love with the delicious,

delicious, thick gooey butter. Heart shaped chocolate filled croissants. Yes! See, you know what I'm talking about. As a way to show our appreciation. Our appreciation. Our delicious, gooey, cholesterol-laden appreciation. You really just want to lean as hard as you can into the shortening

because that's a trans fat. And the reason why I say that is because of the lift on it the way you get I'm not yeah, that's a baker. You get a nice puff. Yeah I mean, it's just like the amount of leavening that you get from that outstanding idea Outstanding guys. We should have a baked goods drive a lard and shortening based baked goods drive I want that lady from from the help to bake a pie for him Who was the racist southern lady who made everything with butter? Who was the southern racist butter lady on the floor?

Paula Dean Paula Dean. Yeah yeah we should get Paula Dean they'd love some Paula Dean in there for real yeah man just bake a butter pie or whatever what you mean I could if I wanted I've sexual intercourse with you oh yes hurry and by wearing a rubber sheath over my old fella, I could ensure that when I came off, you would not be impregnated. Ooh.

That's what being a Protestant's all about. So in response from the New York Times, Chuck Schumer plans a vote on contraception access, teeing up a campaign issue. Now here's the thing, this vote will not go anywhere intentionally, right? So it is a show vote. They need to do more of these. Yeah. They need to, they're, so what they're doing is they're saying, okay, hey everybody, let's put contraception, the

right to contraception up and the Republicans will block it. It will, they will not allow this to go forward. And they will now all have to be on the fucking record as saying I am unwilling to support the right to contraception and like this means you won't be able to buy fucking rubbers right this is like a couple of interesting things are going to happen if even if you're just like a misogynist like let's say you're just the world's shittiest misogynist. Sure, you're Andrew Tate. You're Andrew Tate. Let's show that's a way that's a better shorthand. Yeah. Let's say you're Andrew Tate. You're Andrew Tate. That's a better shorthand. Let's say you're Andrew Tate and you're not in a Romanian jail.

You're here in America and obviously you'd be in the South. Yeah, of course. So you're down in some fucking trash state in the South and they pass a couple of different laws, right? One of the laws they pass is this fetal personhood bullshit. And let's say it's like, I think it may be

Tennessee that says, okay, well, we can start making you pay child support at conception. Okay. And at the same time, they create a law that says, oh, and also contraception. Nobody has a right to contraception anymore. And except for, you know, maybe they'll carve something out for married couples or whatever. There's going to be a lot of dudes paying fucking child support for a lot of babies. This is just going to be something that happens. There's going to be a lot of dudes that don't want to fucking pay child support for a lot of babies, Cecil. Yeah, man. That shit's expensive.

They want to do this so that they can get more women off the workforce. Yes. They want to do this because this is stacking the deck to get, because if you take away abortion access and then you take away contraception, you're basically stacking the deck to get more and more and more babies. You're getting more babies. And the people who have to stay out of the workforce for nine months or not that long, but you know, a couple months at least, at the very least a couple months probably.

I guess maybe even not. Now that I think about it, I said that and I don't believe it. I think that there's probably people who like... There are women who because they can't afford to, they go back to work almost immediately. And they stay work almost the whole time. So I said that and I realized it wasn't true. But a lot of people won't be said it. But if people did... There's also people who sometimes get called for bed rest too, you know, and that sort of thing.

Well, also like... And then the other thing is like, child care isn't free, right? We don't just... It's not like they're going to be like, no contraception, but it's free health care, free child care for all kids. Right. They're not saying that. They're saying no contraception,

well you fucked, deal with it. And then you gotta think, well I had several ways to deal with it before that you just took away. I don't have access to abortion. I don't have access to the, not even the day after pill. I don't even have access to the birth control pill. Right, yeah, you have no access to any sort of contraception.

You have no access to birth control. Child care, like child care average rates are over a thousand dollars a month for a single kid. Often it's not even worth it for people to do child care. They just stay home. And that's the problem, right? Is that then that pulls women out of the workforce during their prime earning years, when they're building careers, then they have this huge gap in a resume, their skills and experience are lapsed. They always lack. And it makes it very hard for them to reenter the workforce and they're always chasing,

right? They're always chasing. Many people don't have family to act as child care help. This is a, there are massive economic, terrible, devastating economic consequences to living in a society where we don't have any paid maternal leave, no paid FMLA of any kind, not one hour of paid FMLA leave protected by law in this country.

No child support help of any kind whatsoever in sconstant law. Contraception bans potentially on the rise, abortion bans, like this is a fucking complete nightmare. And I've said this before, but like, if all this stuff passes, if I'm a woman in these states, I just wouldn't be fucking people. Yeah.

I mean, and I know that's horrible, but like it's too dangerous. It would be too dangerous to have sex with men in an environment where your rights are at this kind of risk. Sure. If I was a woman, I'd probably try to do something that would be an irreversible way to not have children. Right. Yeah, you would go to another state and get sterilized. Yeah, get sterilized in some way. Because the only way to do it is to avoid it completely. We got a call this week, and the problem is that the call cuts off like right in the middle

and then like kind of picks up a little bit later on. So I can't play it for you, and it's pretty long. But there was a person in Europe who called us after a show we did. We recently did a show where we talked about people who regretted having children. So it's a midweek show. It was a really interesting conversation we had

about some articles that Tom had read. And it was an interesting conversation, but he said in this call, he said, look, this is a problem for the United States. You guys are listing all kinds of problems with having children, all the difficulties of having children. Most of that stuff is not a thing here.

I live in Europe, we get tons of time off. Healthcare, childcare is almost, it's super cheap every month. I don't make a lot of money and I'm able to afford it. No problem. We live in walkable cities where we meet other people and we have these groups of people who support each other and you know, it's just immensely different.

Right. Immensely different feeling than the United States, right? Immensely different because in other countries, they want the people who want to have children, have children. In our country, we want to force you to have children. And we live in a culture that is toxically independent. Yeah.

We live in a culture that fetishizes the idea of personal and familial independence to a degree that is wildly unhealthy and completely out of step with the rest of the world. Just completely, we have no strong social national sense of community whatsoever. We are not a communal kind of nation. We are very much an individualist nation.

And that idea extends all the way down into our families. Our families are little silos. These little nuclear families, silos. We don't even have a lot of extended family help. We don't live in multi-generational homes. We don't build our homes next to our other, like next to our parents and stuff. That's very atypical here in the United States.

A lot of people move away. We are very, very, very siloed because we have this toxic independent culture, toxically independent culture. It's to all of our disadvantage. And it's reflected like in our tax code, it's reflected in the way we build our families. and the price that we pay is when it comes time to have family or to you know try to take any kind of a risk. There's essentially no safety net. Everything is like this ultra zero

sum high stakes bullshit. It's horrible. Yeah. Marco. Hello. Marco. Hello. Marco. Marco. Marco. Marco. Marco. The story comes from the CDC. Hamilton Child under five dies of measles. Did you say CDC or CBC? I don't know what I said. This comes from the CBC, not the CDC.

Let's say right now that Tom and I think that if you should vaccine your children with the MMR vaccine, because if not, they can have serious complications. And I'm saying that to you, YouTube algorithm, because that's something we believe in that you seem to miss all the time when we talk about this on our show. We aggressively believe in the science of vaccination.

Aggressively, yes to vaccines. Not no to it,, aggressively. Yes to vaccines. Yeah. Not no to it, but yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Vaccines. Yes. Vaccines. And this Hamilton child who dies under five unvaccinated, there's, there was only a few cases of this popping up because in Canada, they feel like there's a good enough coverage and some people slip through the cracks. But make no mistake, measles is on the rise in the world, period. It's on the rise in the world itself. And it's going to be on the rise in the States just as soon. It's already on the rise here, but you're going to see people die of this. We don't talk about how people die from measles very often. Everybody's like, oh, it's just measles, just the measles, just the measles. Say that to that person's parent,

or that parent of that kid. Say that to them. It's just the measles. That's not just the measles. The measles can kill your child. Yeah. There is a big... Vaccines, we've talked about this before, but vaccines are the victim of their own success. They are so fucking effective, so effective, that we have allowed ourselves to forget the horrors and scourge of these terrible diseases that for millennia or centuries ran rampant through the human population, killing and blinding and maiming and sterilizing people as they went

and disfiguring people as they went. We have not had to deal with that. Not because these diseases have gotten better, but because vaccines have made us not have to deal with this shit. And because we are so fucking stupid and we've like slandered our own good actions and good will and like scientific knowledge. We've slandered that with such great effect that we have now come

to a place where we're turning the clock back against the very progress we worked so hard to make and people are dying and people will go blind and people will be disfigured and people will be maimed and people will like be unable to walk. Just go through a shitty couple of weeks too. Yes, right. For no reason. There's also a growing and more substantial body of evidence that many people suffer from post-viral syndromes that are the effect of having gotten something, they think they to get something they get over it and then years later some shit triggers or re triggers A post viral syndrome long kovat is potentially an example of that right? Is that shingles is that me CFS is one of those things as well? Like these are often these are we're coming to a better understanding that here's a newsflash. It's better to not get sick

Yeah, I want to say this too you can see video of an entire nation Walking into vaccination centers rolling up its sleeves Yeah, man to get vaccinated for polio to get vaccinated for the measles. You can see this We have tape of it. There's a tape of an entire nation This, we have tape of it. There's tape of an entire nation realizing that it was way, way, way better to not get sick and to take a vaccine than it was to get sick or just roll the dice with polio or roll the dice with measles. That's what the March of Dimes was.

The March of Dimes, when polio was so scary to people, polio was so frightening, the polio vaccine, people were fucking elated. They were like beating doors down. The March of Dimes was people literally mailing in dimes to fund the creation and distribution of the polio vaccine, which was leaving kids dead or maimed or in iron lungs for the rest of their lives. It was just, it was a terrible, terrible disease.

It's coming back. There's polio is coming. Polio is something that in my lifetime, we really thought like the Rotary Club International, they were designed to eliminate polio worldwide. They got so close and they have let a lot of that progress has slipped out of their grasp because of our inability to vaccinate

and our lack of desire to vaccinate. This is so stupid. These preventable fucking problems are so mind-bogglingly stupid. They make me crazy, Cecil. They make me crazy. It's having to deal with this in a way that you can be flipping about.

Yeah. But there will be a future that you can't be flipping about. You know, we had to deal with this COVID, right? That was something you shouldn't have been flipping about. There was a lot of people who probably were flipping about it. Yeah. A lot of them are dead. Some of those people paid a price, the ultimate price, right?

They died because they didn't think there was anything to the vaccine. We saw it in real time. And what happened was for several, like millions of people, the exact opposite. They saw the exact opposite message. They saw it and they thought to themselves, wow, that vaccine looks scary. and they thought to themselves, wow, that vaccine looks scary. It's, it's the, the way that our government officials and the technocratic oligarchs that

run this country allowed the messaging around vaccination through coronavirus to become bastardized and reversed will have set back vaccination for all disease. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know how long, but certainly there will be dead. There will be dead children that live, that are in the wake of this. Joseph Sincavage started flying some new flags

on his Stratford house this week. The US flag probably obvious reason. Yeah, it's the country's flag obviously. And the Nazi flag. So there's a couple of stories here, Cecil. The first one from Salon. Out of control, legal experts say Justice Alito's stop the steal symbol is a huge red flag.

What happened was is Alito's wife, supposedly, they were having a feud with a neighbor. The neighbor, I think, had a fuck Trump sign. Nobody tells you what sign they had, but it supposedly was a sign that degraded Trump and was profane. So my thought is it's a fuck Trump sign. I don't know what it was. I read that it was like F asterisk asterisk asterisk Trump. So I think it is. Yeah, I think there's, I saw something like that too, but I saw it in a paper and thought maybe

they couldn't write fuck. So that might be too. I don't know, but in any case, they had, they thought it was filthy. And so what they did was, now this is, there's a picture taken of Alito's house on January 17th of an upside down American flag. Now the upside down American flag means a nation in distress

and it, not a nation, it really means like a ship in distress, it's made for like shipping when people were like had fucking boats and they would say, oh, that flag's upside down. Oh, they need help. And so that they would go up and help the ship. It was co-opted by the Vietnam movement. I talk about this on the other show, I do lawful assembly.

We just covered this and talked very extensively about Alito, but we also talked about this particular thing and how the Vietnam war protesters co-opted this. And then it became sort of a symbol of, sort of anti symbol of, sort of anti-American symbol. And then the January 6th people, the stop the steal people stole it

and used it as a way to say stop the steal. It was a stop the steal sign. Well, it was in his yard after January 6th, 11, or yeah, 11 days after January 6th, it was photographed in his yard. And there's another story where there's a beach house where they have an appeal to heaven flag, which is like another flag that is also

like a far Christian right flag that was also involved in the attack of the capital. I wanna also say, because it bears noting, I think, that his contention, his defense was, oh, my wife had beef with a neighbor like you described. And so my wife put this sign up. That's not a defense. And here's why it's not a defense.

The justice and his family are all under no illusions that they are not to be politically partisan. So reacting at all to a fuck Trump is partisan. Reacting in any way, it doesn't matter what the, like even if you knocked on the door of your neighbor and was like, hey, take that fucking sign off your lawn, that's a politically partisan moment. Like all his job to do is to see that and drive fucking past it

and not say boo to fucking anybody. That's it. Because if he sees fuck Trump on somebody's lawn and he's enraged and he's incensed by that and he feels a need to respond in a public way with some other symbol, that's a partisan activity. That is. Even if he read a, there's nothing that he could do in response to fuck Trump that is not partisan.

Literally nothing. I think, imagine that this was a Trump sign instead. Imagine if it was a Trump flag. Yeah. Right? Imagine that. Isn't it, isn't it kind of? I mean, it feels like it is.

They're trying to make it out as if it's, it's, it was, it's not about the stop the steal stuff. It was just a way to react to the neighbor to say, I don't know, I disapprove. That's sort of what they said. But then that doesn't explain on their vacation house. Another another flag that is used by the same group of people who were assaulting the Capitol, right? The one thing that is the worst part about this whole thing is like Ginny Thomas is Clarence Thomas's wife

and she's part of, she's texting Mark Meadows throughout this whole process while this is all going on. Even after the January 6th thing happened, uh, you got now it comes out that Alito's wife is also part of this. If she is, I don't know. It could be him. We don't know, but let's make a presumption that these two families. They're so deep in what's happening with Trump.

Yeah. Yeah. Like I, aren't these supposed to be really smart people? Right? I mean, like, listen to these people talk with, I haven't had an opportunity to ever really listen to him until I started this other podcast, Lawful Assembly. Now I listen to, on occasion,

I'll listen to arguments at the Supreme Court. And I'm always impressed with how smart and articulate and to the point and being able to remember so many things and having such a deep knowledge base. I'm always impressed by everyone and it doesn't matter who they are. I'm impressed by every single one of those justices. I think they're all really, really hyper smart people, hyper achievers, right? These are people who, you know, you don't want me on that court right?

I'm a fucking lazy fuck. I would Terrible that job. I'll be terrible. I'm last word. I would describe, but seriously though. I would be a terrible fucking justice I wouldn't be able to do the job that they do I Recognize the difficulty of that job and the amount of intellect it would take to do that job Yeah, well or even do that job poorly the amount of intellect it would take to do that job well, or even do that job poorly, the amount of intellect it would take. No, I do too, yeah. It's, it looks, how the fuck do you get so bamboozled by Trump?

I know. That you're putting this, what is happening, right? And I, I just, I can't, it's hard for me to explain it. I just can't explain it. I can't either. It's, it's, it's baffling and embarrassing. Yeah. I can't either. It's baffling and embarrassing. And we're at a place where you have just, I think, really clear political actors in the Supreme Court, like just as sitting justices, you have what is just very obvious grift and bribery going on with Clarence Thomas and with Samuel Leto.

Like it's really not subtle. It's just like out in the open. It's embarrassing and shameful and like it's every... This is a scandal. It's an outrage. It's just there's nothing we can do. There's nobody that that is willing to take up the mantle to go after them. In order to get them out of there, it would take too many votes. You'll never be able to impeach them. The best you could probably do

is get them in front of you, right? Get them to a hearing. That's the best that you could hopefully do. But you'll never be able to do it while the Republicans have the House. So you'll never be able to do something like that. Yeah, the Republicans want them there because they're shills for them. And so you're in a situation now

where you can't even get them out to ask a question. They can't even do that. The person who has, I think, some power over them, or at least could exercise and make their life a little more difficult is Dick Durbin, our Senator, because he's the chair of the judicial committee. But he's even come out and said, I want him to recuse himself. Clearly he's biased, but I'm not going to do anything about it.

Like I will ask him, but like that's all he's getting. He's not going to do any kind of hearings or any of that stuff. And there's a possibility that that's because, you know, again, I talked about this on the other show that I do, but there's a possibility that he's because, you know, again, I talked about this on the other show that I do, but there's a possibility that he's doing it because he recognizes that it's a bad political decision to do something like that. Makes the Democrats look petty or something. And so he might have, you know,

this is a guy, a career politician, so maybe he knows what I don't know. But it certainly feels like we're letting the Supreme Court get away with regulating themselves and basically breaking every rule we thought we had with them. I mean, of all the people in the country that should be part of nonpartisan,

this is a group of people who should be nonpartisan. They should at least appear it, right? You know, I don't expect that he's not fucking nonpartisan behind closed doors, but outside in the open? Yeah, man. I mean, it feels so incredibly ballsy to do something as flagrant as fly a flag. There's no pretense. Once you do that, there's no pretense as a justice that that's not going to get noticed. And it's such a giant, it's literally a symbol. And you're like, yeah, fuck you.

He's not gonna, why would he recuse himself? He's flying that flag. It's not like he got home from work and was like, holy shit, and like ran over to the fucking flag pole and cut that thing down and like brought it back inside and like ran in and was like, we can't fly a fucking upside down flag. I don't care how mad you are at the Joneses.

Like that's not what happened. He's doing this because he knows he can get away with it. So there's not going to be a recusal because he already is like, fuck the system, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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