Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 769: Trump Guilty on 34 Felony Counts

Episode Date: June 3, 2024

 

This episode of Cognitive Dissonance is brought to you by our patrons. You fucking rock. Be advised that this show is not for children, the faint of heart, or the easily offended. The explicit tag is there for a reason. Recording live from glory hole studios in Chicago and beyond. Trump's guilty. I can't let you finish. I can't let you finish. I can't let you finish. I can't let you finish.

I can't let you finish, he's guilty. 34 times guilty. Cecil, Cecil. I can't keep it in. I can't either. I'm gonna pass out. Hold on, I'm gonna pass out. Where's a bag?

I gotta breathe into a bag. I thought my phone was gonna catch on fire from everybody, but my phone was blowing up from every angle. Cecil, though, I want to read a special poem that I wrote. Okay, sure. Yeah, go ahead. For the occasion. No, go ahead. Yeah, absolutely. I think, you know, this is a very solemn moment. And I

think, you know, normally when there's big events in the United States, there's like poet laureates. So Tom, you're in a, you are, you are an unofficial poet laureate for the moment. I'm the Cog Dis Poet Laureate. You're the Cog Dis Poet Laureate. So go ahead. It's a poem in 34 words. Okay, go ahead. Guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty.

Guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty. Guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty. Guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty. Guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty. I'm going to have Ian cut that. That's my new ringtone. I was thinking what I was going to do maybe tonight was I would just ask you about a specific count and then I would ask ask you about a specific count,

and then I would ask you whether or not he was guilty or not. I would just choose random numbers between one and 34, and he'd be, you know, here's the thing, and I wanna be very clear. I'm ecstatic. I know. And I know there's a bunch of people, there's a bunch of talking heads right now

that have this sort of, they are talking about this stuff and they are like very serious and very dour. I was watching a bunch of people on, yeah, I watched a bunch of people on fucking MSNBC and being like, this is in, you know, we shouldn't be screaming in the streets. This is a moment where somebody who is powerful and who is rich and who is white and who has gotten away with a lot of things in his entire career. And he has been, it has been pointed out time and time

and time again that he has done bad, horrible things. He's under, currently under criminal indictment in four different cases, now three. This is a man who's done a bunch of horrible shit, some before he was president, some while he was president, some after he was president. This is somebody who is actually going to face ramifications for the things that he did.

Yeah. Right? That's not something that happens very often to rich white powerful dudes. That doesn't happen very often. So we should be rejoicing that the government and the legal system did what it was supposed to do. And these people came in, this is a jury of his peers. This is 12 people that had to come to a unanimous decision

beyond a reasonable doubt. Yeah, look, there were 92 dominoes lined up, 92 indictments, 92 counts, 34 of them just fell. Yeah. It's important and like it's okay to celebrate when justice is served. Anything less than guilty would not have been justice. This is a guy who has, to your point, he has escaped justice.

How many times in his life? There is a pattern of criminally bad behavior, criminally bad behavior from this motherfucker for like not just the years that he was presidency, but if you read accounts for much of his life, much of his adult life, he has fucked people over, left, right and sideways. There's a reason that New Yorkers hate Trump. There's a reason that New Jerseyans fucking hate Trump.

He has been a cancer and a poison everywhere that he has been for the fucking many decades of his career. And all the people who have been in his orbit have recognized that forever. There's a reason, and again, thinking about the orbit, there's a reason that the people who served with him in his prior administration, so many of them have spoken out and said,

that guy can't ever be president again. This was a nightmare from attorney generals to defense fucking officials. People that have been in his orbit have all come along and said, this guy is dangerous. These accounts, they represent a holding, an accounting of justice, an accounting of a dangerous man being held liable

for his fucking misdeeds. I'm still very much afraid that it won't matter. That it won't matter enough. There's a possibility it will. It won't matter. Well, there's a lot of things that need to go right in order for it to really matter. One, this could just wind up being probation.

It could genuinely just wind up being probation. So can I ask you about that real quick? Like, I wonder, I was thinking about this on my drive over here between bouts of uncontrollable grinning, but I was you about that real quick? I wonder, I was thinking about this on my drive over here between bouts of uncontrollable grinning, but I was thinking about, like I don't think he's gonna go to jail, jail. That seems very unlikely.

It seems very unlikely. Given his age, given his lack of prior convictions, given his statuses. You know, there's a lot of things that says, but I was thinking that it could be very damning for him to get house arrest. Sure. If he gets house arrest, he can't campaign.

That seems like that would be a fitting punishment, right? Because the maximum here is like- He can campaign. But he can't travel for it. He can't travel, but he can campaign. Yeah. I mean, he can't go like on fucking whistle stops and shit. He could do a shit ton of video stuff.

Yeah. And he could constantly be pumping out a bunch of video stuff. So he can do that. Right. Right. But he can't hit the, he can't fucking beat the straights, man. No, and that's not, that's not, but the one thing that they talked about today, there was a poll that people were reading and, you know, a large majority of people, this doesn't even change. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care.

And this is, we're talking 70% of people who were asked, would this change your mind? And they're like, no, not at all. I wonder, so what's your opinion on, so I'm of the view that 30% is a huge number. So I feel like, no, a bunch of them were like, a bunch of them were like, this would make me support him more.

So 15% of that 30 said make me support him more. So 15% of that 30 said I would support him more after this. So we're talking 75% of people would still vote for him. Nope. It was more than that. 85%. 85% would vote for him. Nope. Like a vote for him in 15 would be more vociferous. 17. I think it was 17% said this would change their mind. And that's the piece you're talking about. I feel like though, correct me if you feel differently, but I feel like that the people who were always

gonna vote for them were always gonna vote for them. They were sort of like, they're in that camp of diehards, of true believers, and there was never any hope of moving them, right? They were always, they were a foregone electoral conclusion. And that's not like what people campaign for. Like Biden's got his diehards, right? Like there's no way I'm going to vote for not Biden.

Right. Right. It's not, it's not possible. There's no way some other people are going to vote for anyone other than Trump. So they're already sort of locked in votes. And what I think that the candidates are vying for are two things. They're vying for turnout,

and then they're vying for that middle space. And I do wonder, will this affect, meaningfully, either turnout or the middle space? Will it turn the fire down on turnout? Yeah. Because I think the main thing that I think, of the other things that you mentioned, that's the main thing that I think of the other things that you mentioned, that's the one thing that I think it could feasibly do.

And I also feel like before something actually happens, you may have a different opinion of it after something happens, right? So you could think, well, this isn't gonna change my mind. And then the thing comes back and then you start reading about it and then you start hearing about it and then you're hearing about it again and again

and again and again. And it might change your view four weeks from now. Might not change your view before he actually gets criminal charges, but once he does come back with 34 counts against him, guilty, that may change your view. So that's one, that's certainly, there's a possibility. There's also other ways that this can go badly.

The Supreme Court could come back and say, immunity, he's immune. So that's a possibility. Let's pause there and talk about that for a second, because that didn't even occur to me, and I don't know why, but that didn't even occur to me until we talked 20 minutes ago.

And I am now a little worried that the guilty verdict will create even more pressure for right-wing justices to make that verdict happen on their side, to make that verdict go away on their side. The one thing, the one saving grace that is this case and probably won't make, now that I think about it, since I did pay attention to the trial itself, is that the one saving grace is that there's essentially, there's a, when they argued it in front of the Supreme Court,

they said that it is for acts while in office, for the office. All this stuff happened prior to him getting elected. So in my, I was hearing people talk about this, this immunity case before we came up and they were saying, oh, the immunity case, immunity cases could really impact this, but it may impact it. How you think where it, where it changes their mind.

And it does give him immunity, but I don't think this would count. I think he would be stuck with these charges against him regardless, because this is well before he was president. That's true. And so it doesn't affect this. But the the stuff he did while he was president, so the the January 6th stuff and the documents case

and the stuff he did, much of the stuff, not all, but much of the stuff he did in both Arizona and Georgia would be wiped away. Not all of it, because some of it is sort of clandestine stuff that wouldn't be a presidential act. It would not be considered, yeah. But some of it is. And so some of it would just be wiped away.

So there's a, but two of those cases gone. I mean, I can't imagine that the documents case would go, they would immediately dismiss that. And then the January 6th one probably would get dismissed as well. Do you feel like the presidential immunity case will just get kicked down to a lower court for them to decide on what our personal acts

and what our public acts- There's a possibility that can happen. Before they even render a decision. That could happen. It could also, they could also say that we want very detailed ideas about what private and public acts are. And so that could be, you know, sort of- Part of me thinks if I'm the Supreme Court,

this is such a fireball I don't want to touch, like such a third rail, that I might kick it down to the federal court for some additional review and then wait out November in the hope that either he loses and I don't have to take it up again, or he wins and I can take it up again scot-free. You know?

Like part of me is so cynical, I'm like, I bet they'll just play the clock. Yeah. And I don't think that's as bad. That's certainly, it's certainly something that I think they would probably do. The other thing that is also something that could really thwart all of this is that there is appeals and there is going to be appeals immediately in this case. And so there will be an appeal. I'm almost positive of it. But one thing people

have to understand, and you've pointed out this many times, is that the appeal isn't calling up witnesses. The appeal isn't retrying the case. The appeal is looking at very specific pieces of that case and then making decisions on whether those pieces of the case were actually done correctly. Yeah, appeals are, I never knew this until like far too late into my adult life. I thought an appeal was an opportunity to sort of relitigate the facts of the case.

You have a whole case again. Yeah, and they are not. Like an appeal is, are there technical grounds, typically, are there technical grounds that would turn the whole thing on its head or cause a mistrial or a new trial? But it has to be these really hyper-specific kind of bullshit. I am afraid of the appeals thing.

I am afraid of the appeals thing. I'm afraid in the same way that Harvey Weinstein got out on an appeal. But I also wonder, doesn't the appeals process take fucking forever? It does, it takes a while. And they can start the appeals process, but the cases would have to be, there's gotta be a lot of preparation,

there's the arguments that have to get sent to the judges, the judges have to read them and all that. I mean, there's a lot that has to be done in order for the appeal to actually take. I highly doubt it would take place before the actual election. They would have to really fast track it. Does his sentence go into effect before his appeal? Yeah, so it would be, he would have,

he has an opportunity to start an appeal, I think, right away, and like 30 days to file, and then once he does, I think they still sentence him. I guess that makes sense. Right. Because if I, if I like kill somebody, I go to jail and then I appeal from jail. Yeah. This is, this is a nonviolent crime.

So they let them out and then they just, they're, they're going to, uh, sentence him on July 11th. Right. So there'll be a sentencing day and we'll get a chance to see how that goes. And then he's going to have to deal with that sentence, whatever it is, until his appeal is finally either discharged or whatever. So he's going to have to deal with all that until then. Man, it would be enough for me if he got like 30 days. I think I love your idea of house arrest. I think that's a great, great way to do this.

And I also want to point out too, this is important to point out with the election coming up, there was a guy who ran from prison. So Eugene V. Debs ran from prison and got votes. So that's not against the law and you can get votes. So he can, if they do decide, we're going to put them away. This is, this is, this is egregious enough. There's 34 counts.

We're going to give you a year in jail or whatever, you know, off the, all these 34 or whatever, or we'll give you a month apiece. So it's 34 months or something like that. Even still he's going to wind up, you know, he could be in jail and then people can be like, oh, I'm going to, I'm still going to vote for Trump. So I got another dumb question. I don't know if you know this or not, but like, I wonder if his criminal felonious activity, let's say he were to get elected, could his felonious prior activity get him impeached? Do the high crimes and misdemeanors have to occur

while he's in office? I don't know the answer to that, but I did hear an interesting comment. Somebody said, if you're a felon, you can't get security briefings. Dude. So if he gets, if he's a felon and this stands, he could be a president that can't actually get security. So here's what's fucking crazy too, is if this felony holds till November, he won't be allowed to vote for himself. So I also heard a ruling, like somebody mentioned that it's possible that he still may be able to,

because it's a felony from New York. And so because New York allows people to vote for themselves, for, you know, in elections, if they're a felon, it may allow him to vote down there. But if he was convicted in Florida, then 100% no. So that's interesting. So Florida's- That's what they said on the TV.

I have no idea that's true or not. I believe that. I don't know anything. I wanna be super clear to the audience. I don't fucking know shit about fuck. All I know is that in Florida, I was to understand that felons can't vote but it may be maybe the felony has to be a Floridian. Yeah, sure. It has to be a homegrown felon. Yeah, right Otherwise it's just if it's not from Florida, it's just a sparkling mystery

Man it's a good year too. It's a good vintage. It's a 34. There's so many numbers, right? It's the 45th president with 34 felonies and 92 indictments and two impeachments. What a peach. This is like the Bible code. Amazing. Did you know that it smells like shit in here? Speaking of fucking peaches, this story comes to the New York Times.

Nikki Haley writes, finish them on artillery shell in Israel. She came just a few days after Israel drew international condemnation for a strike that killed dozens of Gazan civilians in a camp for displaced Palestinians. This is an important story. This really is an important story. We've talked about the situation in Israel a handful of times on the show since it's begun and the genocide that is taking place in Palestine right now is absolutely indefensible.

Sure. It is an indefensible murder of civilians. They're murdering innocent people at 35,000 by their count so far. Yeah, it is, it is, it is, it's, it's inexcusable. It is an inexcusable murder of civilians. The criticisms being leveled against the Biden administration are fair and they are just.

And we should level criticism against the Biden administration. The flip side to that is let us also not pretend that it will not be exponentially worse under a Republican administration. The work that the Biden administration is doing to try to broker peace in the Middle East, and they are doing work. Anthony Blinken's been over there. Biden has come out, they've asked him, like they're bombing refugee camps,

and he says, it's not the red line. I mean, he said it's not the red line. There's been people, justifiably so, that have resigned from Biden's, from his government, like from his, not his cabinet, I don't think, but certainly people that have worked for the government have resigned in protest.

Good for them. I think that if you wanna to go out and protest, if you want to send messages, awesome. I agree, right? I'm right there with you. I've sent messages to my representatives and to President Biden. I think everybody needs to talk to him and tell him this is a bad call. It's a bad idea.

In November, no matter what, if Biden doesn't ever stop doing this, both sides are going to be supporting Israel. Both sides will support Israel. That's going to happen, right? Your tax dollars are going to go to it. My tax dollars, the listeners' tax dollars are through United States citizens. That's going to go to it. That's true. That's just what's going to happen. But my vote for Biden is going to try to lessen the damage. If you don't, if you decide that this is the red line for you and you don't want to vote, understand that the softer version of Trump

just autographed a bomb, okay? This is the softer version of Trump who's asking for a space in Trump's cabinet, who may get a space in Trump's cabinet. This is a former UN ambassador. Yep, that's exactly right. She signed a bomb. So people who send us messages who complain about,

I don't know, they're mad because I don't know why. Because we didn't stop the genocide ourselves. I don't know what, I mean, I can't do anything about it. I genuinely think it's horrible. I can't do anything else other than just say it's horrible But I will say this at the end when it comes time to vote I'm not gonna choose a worse option for those people. I won't do it and not choosing is a worse option

It is you can't you you cannot morally decide not to choose Because choices are going to be made anyway You cannot morally decide not to choose because choices are going to be made anyway. So you not choosing does not send a message. The politicians do not care about the people that don't choose. They are not trying to get the vote of the people that don't fucking vote.

When you sit out your civic responsibility to choose, you make yourself not more heard, but less heard. You are claiming your irrelevance when you do that. That is what you are laying claim to. You are laying claim to personal political irrelevance. When we are faced with two bad options, we still have to pick an option. There's no not picking here.

And like the Republicans, Nikki Haley has diet watered down Fucking RC Trump. That's what actually RC is delicious. That's not yeah. She is she is diet watered down Fucking like cola There you go like cola like cola, okay Trump Is far far far more hawkish. Trump is far, far, far more in support of, I don't know, far right wing ideologue nut

jobs like Netanyahu. Like Netanyahu. He loves those guys. Who does he, who does he align himself with? Who did he align himself with in administration part one? He said he admired Putin. He said he admired Kim Jong-un. He is absolutely a friend to Netanyahu.

He again, he moved the fucking US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, an act of intentional provocation and support for Israel. There is no world where this gets better under Trump. It's not possible. It's not gonna happen. And I will say you should vote in this election. And even if you have to hold your nose and it pisses you off, the more it pisses you off, what you should do then is start a grassroots something that changes

government from the ground up. Right? This is a perfect opportunity for someone to start whatever party you want to call it. That is a left party that does not, that is very, that is not hawkish, that wants to make sure that there's more peace in the world. However you want to label this, you can start it at local, state levels, and you can really work hard. This is your opportunity to work hard and get that done. And then in eight years, you could easily as a third party candidate, take care of business and be like, there's no, you know what the Democrats, we're going to, we're going to

push them out. We're going to be the new left party in the, in the United States. Sure. There's going to be a center party, which is a, and there'll be a left party, which is us. Cool, that's awesome. I would love to see that. But not voting and deciding this, you are gonna choose the other side by not voting.

100%, so, and things will just get worse. They will get worse. Ohio sucks. Okay. This story comes from ABC News. Ohio sucks. Okay. Um, uh. This story comes from ABC News. DNC to virtually nominate Biden and Harris to bypass Ohio ballot issues. So there is a timing issue between the Democratic National Convention

and the Ohio requirement for that nomination to be made. That makes it like impossible to get on the Ohio ballot. If you have the Democratic National Convention on the date that it's scheduled. Yeah, after this other thing that happens in Ohio. So they're going to have to have a virtual moment of nomination just for Ohio, because Ohio's playing games. What they did was they came out and said, he will not be on the ballot here because it conflicts with this.

Even though they've bent the rules in the past, and they've done this in the past multiple times, they won't bend the rules now because this is such an antagonistic system that we're in that the people who are in power want to make sure that Biden doesn't have a fair shake. They don't want the P. Biden might not even win Ohio, right? Right. They don't want to see him get a fair shake at all there. Yeah. And this is, this is more of the sort

of games bullshit that Republicans keep playing to suppress the vote. Right. This is, they've been doing this forever. And it's, it's so bad that even the Republican governor, governor DeWine, even the Republican governor is like, all right, this is bullshit. Send me some bill, send me a bill or however many bills you can draft up, but let's get, let's get the sitting president, the democratic president, you know, on the goddamn ballot. Let's not be an embarrassment here in the state of Ohio. Let's actually do like, let's empower the voters of the goddamn state.

And I think Ohio's not in a great danger of turning blue. No. So there's really no reason to do this except for this is part of what they love to do. They love to play these sort of like, bullshit games with people. They enjoy it. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I think, you know, we've seen this happen in a couple of places across the country

where certain people have toyed with the idea of taking Biden off the ballot. The Supreme Court already heard a story, something about taking, a state taking someone off the ballot, right? But we've already heard a story about that. So the chances that what would happen is, is it would immediately get sent up to the Supreme Court and they would be like, yeah, no, probably, we'll probably just turn this,

we'll probably just overturn this right away. And he would just be on the ballot anyway. You're just making more work for yourself just to be obstinate, right? It's childish and it shows. Yeah. It's sort of like they think they can win with the one cool trick. Yes. You know, this with the one cool trick. This is the one cool trick we have.

Did you hear that everyone? Michael Bluth is threatening me. This story is from LGBTQ Nation. Trump supporters are now sending threatening letters to get people to vote for him. I want to call this up so I could put this on the screen. This is fucking unbelievable. So this is the flyer that they sent out. Let me put it on the big screen here. I'm going to have to zoom in a little so we can see it. But what it says is says voter alert, and then it's got some stuff

on the side and then it says public records on the right side, it says public records show and this is all in red, you have not voted. President Trump will be very disappointed. At a certain point on here, it says it will go on your record. Like it's gonna go on your permanent record. What is this, a violent femme song? What is that? Yeah. But like genuinely, this is, what this is is

them sending a message to, you know, it's not intimidation but it's as close as you can get without saying, Hey, we know we're watching you. Oh yeah. I mean, on the left side, it says, we see you haven't voted yet. Your voting record is public. Your neighbors are watching and we'll know if you miss this critical runoff election. We will notify president Trump.

If you don't vote, you can't afford to have that on your record. I'm gonna tell on you. This is gross. This is, you know, like again, rather than try to win, they're not trying to win on issues. You know, you notice like they're not trying to win on issues. Republicans are trying to win on the playing

these sort of systems games. They're trying to win on by gaming the way that we vote. Who's allowed to vote? When we're gonna open polls, when we're gonna close polls, who's gonna be allowed to mail in a vote? They're trying to, and then this shit, which is like, we're gonna intimidate people into showing up to vote.

We're gonna make people think wrongly that they have an obligation, like some kind of legal, this feels like there's a legal or social obligation to vote that doesn't exist. That they'll be publicly shamed if they don't vote. That President Trump himself is going to be like, Tom didn't vote, I'm going to get like a fucking angry call from a fucking orange madman. It's bizarre.

It is. But they're not trying to win on issues. So there's three issues on here. One of them is our Republican values are at stake in this election. And here's the three issues, border security, property taxes, and parental empowerment. Now border security, we can't use that because they are already tried. The Democrats have already tried to extend the hand and say, let's try to make a border security bill. In fact, we'll give you probably the most

border security issues and parts of a bill that we've ever done, right? We're gonna secure the border. We're gonna scare the fuck out of this border for you. And they extended the hand and the Republicans said, no, we don't wanna give you a win. So border security, let's not pretend that that's something

that they care about. That's literally only a political point. Property taxes, I don't know how President Trump, I don't know how things are in Texas. I can't speak for Texas. But in Illinois, the county collects property taxes. Well, I can tell you with certainty that there are no federal property taxes.

So then that's a useless thing. That's garbage, right? That President Trump has nothing to do with that. Now your local elections certainly do have something to do with that. But President Trump has nothing to do with that. Your county elections are what really does it, up here anyway. That's what, you know, that's what, that's how we have... Your county, your school elections, your local elections are going to, your property taxes are going to... Yeah, that's how it, that's how, but so this has nothing to do with that. And then parental empowerment, sure. I I'm a hundred percent sure this means trans issues.

Like, of all the things it means, it's a, it's a hundred percent like anti-trans. I know that, but, but genuinely those are the three things, right? And they're not really part of this. They're not, they're kind of amorphous. They don't mean anything. What they're really doing is they're just, they're promoting a person. They're saying this is the person and this person will be upset. It's not, it's not, here's the issues that are at hand.

These deep, you know, here's seven issues and all these issues are genuinely part of this upcoming election. Right? Right. I don't, I mean, you know, all the rest of this stuff is all, you know, voter like, like I think sort of soft voter intimidation. Yeah, for sure. I mean, you know, all the rest of this stuff is all, you know, voter, like, like I think sort of soft voter intimidation. For sure.

But if there was something on there that was that that was meaningful in some way that was, you know, we want to they don't have a party. They don't have anything. No, they don't. The only thing they had was border security. That's the only thing that they were crying about. And then it was offered to them and they didn't want it. So the only thing that they have now is taking women's rights away across the board instead of just state by state. That's really the only thing

they have. And a lot of Republicans seeing what a loser that is to them politically are starting to back off of that. I don't want that. You read this Cecil and this reads like the worst, most big brother, big government intrusive surveillance state shit anyone has ever heard. We are watching you to make sure that you vote. Specifically, this Republican is watching you.

This feels like when Putin gets reelected for like 103% of the vote, right? Oh yeah, it turns out everybody shows up to vote when there's a gun at their back. This feels like a soft gun at your back. Sure. Is like big brother-esque from the party that claims to be for small government. Sure. They've been claiming that for years. Right.

They're not for it. No. And this should tell you everything you need to know about that. There's, they're not for it. And getting a message like this in the mail should tell you everything you need to know. Yo, I just don't think it's necessary to dehumanize a man in order to get him to perform. Tom, can I just ask you to read his Memorial Day truth? This came out on Memorial Day. And I just want you to read his Memorial Day truth if you can. I gotta find it.

Here's the thing, dude. While you find it, I'll tell you that I will read it. But like, this is like, I'm as uncomfortable as if you asked me to read certain passages from Huck Finn out loud. Like this is uncomfortable to have my voice associated with it. It's genuinely fucking, like when I saw this, I couldn't believe that this is how he penned, typed with his tiny little hands, this Memorial Day message. So go ahead. Yeah. Quote, happy Memorial Day to all, including the human scum that is working,

that is working so hard to destroy our once great country and to the radical left, Trump hating federal judge in New York that presided over, get this, two separate trials that awarded a woman who I never met before a quick handshake at a celebrity event 25 years ago doesn't count. $91 million for defamation. I yelled when he capitalized. That's his Memorial Day. This unhinged dementia fueled bullshit.

I want to just focus on the human scum. That's what I want to focus on is the human scum part. Because I's what I want to focus on, is the human scum part. Because I think that's the grossest part of this. He uses language like vermin, like human scum. These are loaded terms used by the far-right authoritarians for a very long time. There's, you know, like Hitler used these types of words all the time. The Nazi government used these types of words all the time. There's a, you know, like Hitler used these types of words all the time. The Nazi government used these types of words all the time. These are dehumanizing words. These are words that are meant to dehumanize another side and make them less than and make

it okay if bad things happen to them. This is a horrible thing for a someone who is hopefully going to be president to write against. And again, the worst part about it is that he's not specific, right? To the human scum. Well, who's this human scum? Well, use your fucking imagination. Yeah. Well, I think it's worse than that. He does this a lot, right? He makes these broad blanket statements that allows disparate hate groups to put their personal hate agenda into the category that he wants. So if I'm some bigoted white nationalist, the human scum might be brown people.

If I am an anti-Semite, the human scum might be Jewish people. If I am a misogynist, the human scum might be women. The intentional use of this broadening language is allows there to be a kind of tabula rasa of hate that he gets to put out there. I also wanna talk about what it means, why it's important to dehumanize.

And I've thought about this before. It was something that I've always noticed is that whenever any country goes to war, let's use America, for example, when America goes to war with another nation, very swiftly, whoever that you are at war with has, we don't call them the Germans, right? You come up with a name, a derogatory name

for the group of people that you're fighting for. We do it every single time. Every country does it. America's done it, every country does it. I've been through a couple of wars in my lifetime and we have done that. We've done it, right? We've done that. And there's a reason to do it.

And the reason to do it is that in order to hate somebody, and to kill somebody, you have to see them as less than human. That makes it easier to convince 19 year old kids to shoot somebody with have to see them as less than human. That makes it easier to convince 19 year old kids to shoot somebody with a fucking machine gun, right? Or drop a bomb or whatever it is. So they have to see them first as less than human. Ways that we do that include grouping and renaming those people. We put them into categories, we rename that category, we strip them of their cultural heritage, and then we create derogatory names.

That is part of the dehumanizing process and the intent, the goal is propaganda, right? It is always propaganda. We rename to dehumanize, we dehumanize to destroy. That is a, that is a, it is a fucking process and it's a known process. It's we, the literal governments go through the process of doing this in order to convince the citizenry that it's okay to fucking bomb other people. It's gross. And to see the president doing this

without even claim, without even having the balls to lay claim to who he's calling scum, to allow the various bigots and haters and, you know, whatever to write that in on their own is even worse. Yeah, they're like, it's like a, it's like hate speech franchisee opportunity. Yes! You know what I mean?

That's a way better way to say it. He's creating, he's creating these little hate speech franchises all across. So it could be Democrats. Right. It could be, you know, black people. Right. It could be migrants.

Right. It can be a whole bunch. It could be women you know, black people. It could be migrants. It can be a whole bunch. It could be women, right? Because, you know, much of this entire thing, much of this entire truth is about women. It's about a woman that he hates because he assaulted her. And it was proven that he assaulted her. And he has to pay millions of dollars to her in defamation for lying about

that. Absolutely. And that's and you could easily as one of those nanosphere people look at this and be like human scum is women. That's right. That's right. This is he's the one thing I will say is that Trump is masterful and intentionally saying nothing to allow the crowd to hear everything.

Yeah. I do not envy you the headache you will have when you awake, but in the meantime, rest well and dream of large women. See, so when you put this in the notes and I read through this, like it's one of those things where you read something and then you pause and you just

put your head down and you mourn deeply for like the stupidity of man. Yeah, man. It's like genuinely. You're so right. We have put rovers on Mars and then there's this guy. Then there's this guy. Let's play. And I'm not convinced that we're all the same.

Yeah. I'm just not. You know, I'm going to play some of this. Then there's this guy. And I'm not convinced that we're all the same. Yeah. I'm just not. I'm going to play some of this. This is from a show. So this guy is named Stu Peters. I suspect he has an entire show here. We're going to play part of it. And I want you, I'm not going to play it all,

but we're going to talk about part of it as it plays. Old World Orders, kind of a one on one introduction to this. Sia really, because a lot of people don't know about it. They've heard about it or they'll hear the word Tartaria. Yes. That's just, that's just one piece of it. That's one empire. That's where Russia was.

Okay. I mean, that's where Russia is now. That's where Tartaria was. It's one of many beef Tartaria. One of my, that's amazing. Absolutely delicious. A little bit on a crouton there. You get a little bit.

Crustini. What you gotta do is you gotta make sure that the egg yolk is just a little bit cooked, right? The best ones I've ever had is when they come out with the egg yolk, just to get into that beef tartaria. The quail egg is what I like. The quail egg in there is really good, yeah. That's money.

And I love to get fresh herbs in there. It really doesn't matter what it is. Really just outstanding. Guys, by the way, he showed a picture like an old timey world map that's like a Pangea type map where all the continents are sort of smooshed together. Yeah. Any empires that were hidden from us. The reason, like you said earlier, that they wanted to hide it is because, well, number one, they don't want people to know that we didn't build these buildings. We found these buildings. If you look at some of these older buildings in your community,

we'll actually say, they actually admit some stuff, Stu. It'll say, founded in 1898. Okay, all right, I'll take that. But then when you go on their website, it says it was constructed in a year. The timelines don't make any sense, Stu. Okay, for people back then to have horse and buggy, wooden cranes, you're not building stone and marble palaces.

Right. Yeah. That's not going to happen. Yeah. The cranes just weren't sufficient enough to hold that kind of weight. Why are they lying to us? What is it that they're trying to cover up? Where do I start? I mean, let's start with giants. Number one. I mean, guys. Oh my God. So then they flash guys versus giants. First of all, it's giants, so then they flash guys first Giants first of all Giants Dude, then they flashed on that is the picture swolest fucking giant I've ever seen the traps on this giant guys The fucking traps they start they start up at his ear his yeah for real his trap muscles go above his ear

They connect to like the top of his fucking skull. What kind of, what kind of, if I was gonna do traps, is that like a pull this way? It's a shrug. It's a shrug. What are you shrugging? Marble. Marble palaces.

Jesus, this is like Atlas and he's shrugging the world. Are you kidding me? That's a terrible drawing. Anyway, but here's the conceit so far, is that people back in 1898... It's not that long ago. It's really not that long ago. We have photographs.

That's, and that's the thing, right? There's photographs of people making these buildings, man! Yeah. I love this so much. There's old timey, like you, Ken Burns would be able to make a documentary about the Giants. Because they would have got Ken putting a camera somewhere.

They would have had somebody. There's some guy who's filming in the street and a bunch of people are walking by me and like, hey, and then a giant just leans his head and it's like da da da and then moves on. You should totally be able to see it. Yeah, get the fuck out of here. God, it's amazing.

They couldn't actually film the giants until they invented the wide angle lens. That was the problem. We needed a tripod that could tilt up. We don't want to talk about anything that's in the Bible, right? We have to put that in the Bible. Oh my God! They just showed a Paul Bunyan image! They showed a fucking statue at like a roadside attraction of Paul Bunyan.

And now they got a stylistic version of the guy who was on fucking Game of Thrones. This looks like AI shit. Yeah, it does. It really does. It's like, ugh. Wait. We have to put that to rest. So this whole theory of with Einstein and removing the ether from the periodic table,

are you kidding me? They removed it. Why? Because God gives us free energy, everyone. We have free energy. That's why a lot of these buildings, the old architect, you'll see the actual transmitters on top of the buildings. What is that doing?

It's pulling in the energy from the ether. Pause, hold on. Okay. Transmitters don't collect energy. No, Tom, they're energy transmitters. And here's where it's where you can find it in the word, they transmit things. You stew, you're not a fucking intellectual giant. I'll tell you that much.

His intellectual traps are huge. Yeah, the only reason that man has ever built spires as a shape has been to suck up ether from the ether, I guess. What free energy pyramid downward spiral. Don't you say it. Don't you say it. I don't want to get off YouTube. Tom, don't you say it.

And back in the day, Stu, it would be wireless technology, wireless energy. You look at some of these old world fairs in the late 1800s, it's glowing like a theme park. Doesn't make any sense. And this is not something we're taught in school for many reasons, but real quick on the giants, you can't. There are people with gigantism. Oh God. That is a thing too. It's amazing. But like, am I okay?

So now he's got a picture of a guy who probably has fucking gigantism, right? That is a real thing. That guy, let's call, let's give him, let's give him the benefit. He's eight feet tall. I'll give him eight feet. Is he now going to be able to pick up like fucking giant? Cause he was suggesting is that the only way that you move heavy materials is that one actual person carries the big heavy materials and put some places. He doesn't understand fulcrums and levers and wheels.

You know, even if I were to say, well, you know, that was horse and buggy, which it wasn't right. We had steam at this point. We had trains that were crossing the nation. We had steam. He doesn't even understand the technology. We had other stuff. In fact, I am almost positive the internal combustion engine was created at this time.

I don't know if it was in full use, but genuinely we had steam, right? So we did have steam, we had coal that could heat the steam, and that can create a bunch of work. Even still, let's just pretend that we're talking about horses. Horses are so much stronger than, I don't care how fucking big you are.

Yeah, man. You get a team of horses, they can move an immense amount of stuff. An immense amount of stuff. You get a team of horses, and then hook them up to, I don't know, a pulley? Pulleys and levers and shit, and they can do a lot of work.

Also, stupid, do you think that they move the whole palace like they dig up a palace and they're like well There's no way to move it. It's moved in pieces We move things in chunks to create stuff in pieces too And then he said you can't create a house like you can't create it a year like fuck you can't what are you talking about? Well, like they also point out to like like the founded is the year that the foundation was dug. That is what founded means on old buildings. That is not the date of assembly.

Yeah. It's not like, well, we, we started and finished in 1898 founded for big buildings is the day is the foundation was created. That's it. That's it. He doesn't know what he's talking. He does not. He doesn't have literally none of his facts are right. There's no idea. For many reasons, but real quick on the giants, you can't have Darwinism. You can't have evil Lucian. You can't have big bang

with giants. We're supposed to be coming from monkeys. We can't have giants. So they created this whole system for many, many facets. There wasn't just one reason, many reasons, technology giants, you know, covering up the fact that there was previous civilizations here before us that possibly had more technology than we do now. So, I mean, what about- But again, why would anyone cover any of that up?

Like, let's, like, even if you had assumed it, why would anyone cover any of that up at all? I have no idea. Like I can't ever figure out their motives. Like that's the one thing that, you know, I don't believe anything you're saying because it's all nonsense and you clearly didn't think about it on your own, right? You didn't add anything up when you were thinking about it. But the motives are the things that are so wacky.

I just can't get there. I can't follow you there. Right. Obviously, there's no reason to take any of this seriously, so I don't want anyone to think that I am. But dismiss it out of hand. But also, he's like, well, why would they do it? And he's like, because giants.

And you're like, that's not an answer. Well, because we're hiding something. Okay, from who and why? And who's hiding it? Well, because the hiding. You have to hide stuff to hide it, or it won't be hidden when you hide it. The authorities don't want you to know. Well, why don't they want me to know?

Because they want to hide it. That's the same thing. You just phrased it different, man. These dinosaur bones that they're uncovering, are dinosaurs fake too? Oh, 100% fake. Now I will say this. There were big birds.

There were big elephants. There were big alligators. There were big everything, including humans. Everything was just massive. Everything was big. Look at some of the doors that you've included in this film. I mean, why in God's green earth would we ever need doors that big, buildings that... Okay. All right. I'm gonna rub my eyes for a second.

Yeah, you should. You should. Here's what I wanna just say. Yeah, you should. Here's what I wanna just say. Yeah, buddy. Like, why did people in the middle ages need sleeves that long? Why did you need a cape that long if you weren't a Jockens?

It's the same argument, right? It's so dumb. It's because people wanted to show the excess of what they had. That's the only reason why people create things that are bigger than what they need. It's to show the X. I mean, you don't even need to be a genius to know that. It's really easy and it's obvious by human nature. Yeah. Look, why do we create things of grandeur as a ostentatious show of power and wealth.

Exactly. That's it. All cultures do it. Sure. Not because there's giants who just need bigger doorways. Look, go into any of these buildings, the only big doorway is the grand entrance. Sure. All the other doorways are regular size, man.

Do you think the giants are just allowed in the front room? We just gotta say out here, I gotta piss. I'm gonna crawl to the bathroom through the little. I'm just gonna put my dick in the room. It's so big. All I can do is open the door, put my dick in there. Mom, the giant's stuck in the small door again.

Yeah. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Jesus fucking Christ. Everything was just bigger. How is this a thing? It's not supposed to be. How is this a thing though? Like, what are we doing?

Nothing good. What is happening? How is this person, I mean this person looks like, I know they're not a serious person. No. But they're presenting themselves as a serious person. Yeah. And they're being interviewed as if they have something to say by a credulous chucklefuck who makes his living like platforming complete dipshits.

Complete lunatic dipshits. But the thing is like there's not a small amount of people that will believe this stuff, man. The flat earthers are gonna eat this shit up. I mean, all you have to do is like look to Alex Jones' popularity. Right. Alex Jones, if you think that what we just listened to isn't as crazy as some of the shit Alex Jones said, you missed a lot. Alex Jones is just as crazy as this.

Oh, 100%. There's plenty of people out there. Lance Wallenu says some crazy shit too. On par with this, right? Yes. And these are people who are in, you know, you got fucking President Trump calling fucking Alex Jones on the phone. Yeah.

Right? You got Alex Jones meeting with a ton of, he's talking to a ton of different people that are very popular. Lance Wallenu's fucking laid hands on Trump, man. Absolutely. And he's also worked with other people who have been involved with that dominionism stuff that was all over the United States. That seven fucking, the seven pie pieces you need in order to win the game of Tribal Pursuit.

That guy, he's part of that whole group of people who have come up with the seven mountains of madness or whatever. Yeah, right. Seven mountains of madness. This is not- This is crazy. And or whatever. Yeah, right. Seven mountains of madness. This is, this is not, and this is not isolated, right? This is a person who's saying crazy shit, but this, this is not somebody who I don't think would, would, I think this person would easily have plenty of audience with a lot of those different disparate groups that we've talked about. There's a ton of people who are religious, who would love to hear about the giants. Oh, man.

I just watched a God awful movies. I'm going to be on God awful movies next week. And I just watched the God awful movies on Bigfoot. Right? Oh my God. And the God awful movies on Bigfoot, they don't talk about God literally until the last part and they say there was giants in the land in the And it's Bigfoot?

And it's Bigfoot. And it's fucking stupid. It's terrible. But here's the thing. It's Jesus and the Henderson? It's Jesus. Well, it's Jesus after he let himself go. I mean, but genuinely, that's a group of people who would eat this shit up. They love the idea because they want every piece of their book to be true. Yeah. Well, they want to live in a world of magic. Yeah. That's the other thing is they want to live in a world where their magic makes sense. Yeah. And so if you have a world that you posit where there's any inkling of this like free energy, you know, transmission,

ether, fucking giants bullshit, they want to live in a world that's full of magic. And I guess to some degree, there is a very childish, immature, juvenile, young part of me that wanted to believe in a world of magic too. When I was a young person, I also would be like, oh, let's play with tarot cards and like, let's look at all. I did all that stuff as part of the natural exploration. Because a world full of magic sounds richer

and it sounds like more fun to be in. Well, it also sounds like something you can decipher easier, right? And it's less cruel. There's all these benefits to living in a world where magic is in power. It empowers you, right? Instead of just being in a chaotic universe that where literally we could just be sitting here having a conversation and then a fucking giant rock can fall on the earth and kill half of it and there's nothing we could do about it.

That's terrifying. Wouldn't you like to live in a world of magic? Yeah, I mean, sure. But that's a liar's world. It is. And like randomness and chaos feels to your point, it feels so cruel and so out of our control. If you believe in magic, you also believe you can influence magic.

You can do a spell, you can do this thing. And so, yeah, I get it, but like I'm a grownup. So I abandoned shit like that. Well, I mean, I'm admittedly, even when I was a grownup, I still, I was raised a Catholic and I left the religion, but I went seeking other religions. I was like, maybe this one isn't right. I'm gonna to go look for other ones. And I did what I thought was my due diligence. I read about Buddhism. I read about Hinduism. I read about, you know,

Taoism. I read about Islam. I think I looked into these other religions to see, is there something there? And all I found was a common thread of people trying to control people around them. That's all I saw. And I was just like, no, that's not for me. And so I found was a common thread of people trying to control people around them. That's all I saw. And I was just like, no, that's not for me. And so, but I 100% wanted to believe even after I left Christianity. Yeah, no, and I want to be clear. I did too. But I guess like I don't consider myself a full grown-up in my 20s, you know?

I guess that's true. Not like, not a true grown-up. Yeah. Not a true grownup. Yeah. All right. Tom and I are spent. That's it. We're, we're just, we're spent 34 times, 34 times today.

So, uh, so that's going to wrap it up for this week. Uh, this upcoming week, there will be a funny show, uh, and it was recorded before this entire thing happened. So there may even be a story in there. I didn't even know about Trump or something. I don't know. But it's a funny show. And it's a funny show.

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And it's a funny show. And it's a funny show. And it's a funny show. And it's a funny show. And it's a funny show. show and it was recorded before this entire thing happened. So there may even be a story in there. I didn't even know about Trump or something. I don't know. Yeah. But it doesn't include, because we recorded a week ago, so, but there will be a funny show coming out this Thursday and then we'll be back next Monday so we can talk about, I think, have a more reasoned discussion probably about this in particular, this Trump stuff in particular, because there'll be a lot of, a lot of ink spilt over this. There'll be some analysis to read.

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