Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 842: Creek Swimmin' with RFK

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

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Every episode we blast anyone who gets in our way, we bring critical thinking, skepticism and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big or makes us mad. It's skeptical, it's political, and there is no welcome mat. Today is Thursday, May the 14th and I'm back in studio.

See you are. You aren't fixed yet. I am not fixed. I get, I get, I get, I get fixed up next week, but I made it to the studio today for the record. Tommy, everybody, we might have a different schedule. Tom, it's gonna, what are they gonna do? Tell people what they're gonna do. because you described it as spatch cocking

And I don't know that that's true, but you tell me it feels like not that I'm telling me so I I Screwed up my neck. I don't know how just by being an old piece of shit So I thought at first I herniated a disc But I actually the disc space kind of just has collapsed between C5 and 6 and then I have a herniation at 4 So like I still have the herniation. No, I mean, I did do that, but I also had this other stuff. Yeah.

So it's, so to fix it, they've got to do, it's actually really fascinating shit. They've got to do like what's called an anterior cervical microdiscectomy infusion. So they go in through the fucking neck. Sounds complicated. Yeah. I already failed at a neck score.

I know dude. The moment you said that I'm like, I quit. It's basically a Frankensteining procedure. It's a spatchcock. They're going through my neck and they're going to brush apart all the bits that make you alive, kind of retract all the living stuff. Bloop.

I know. I'm telling Haley about it and she's like, this sounds scary. Why aren't you scared? I'm like, well, what am I gonna do? Like yeah, like I could be scared and that would not help That's where I can laugh about this and that's better. That's better. You know, it's way better. It's like I am a little scared They're gonna like move all retract all the all the fleshy bits that like let you breathe and have oxygen Yeah, those are important. Yeah, and then they get to the To the neckular region around your spinal cord from the front from the front and have oxygen. Yeah, no, those are important. Yeah. And then they get to the,

to the neckular region around your spinal cord. From the front. From the front. From the front. Yeah. From the front. So they got to look through the cavern of your body. It's fucking crazy. They don't do it like, like really hardly ever from the back.

Like they did. They really don't want to come in from the back. And I, from what the physician's assistant said, and I don't know how true this is because we had only like a two second conversation, but he said, you know, there's a ton of muscles back here and you don't really want to be cutting through all those muscles. Yeah. They keep your head up. It helps. So, but then I thought, well, like there's a like trachea and shit here. Like, I don't know. Like I don't fucking know. Yeah, man. It's

terrible. Like the front feels. It doesn't feel like there's any real good way to go in the neck. When you're like, I gotta go in the neck, you'd be like, maybe we don't. I don't know man. So they're gonna like take the discs out. So I've got the two bad discs. They're just gonna completely take those out.

And then they put in a spacer and then they put in screws and plates. And the spacer they put in is impregnated with a biologic material called eye factor and that eye factor material will encourage bone growth. It's crushed up embryos, isn't it? They actually used to use cadaverous material. So when my dad had this done 35 years ago

and they had to go into his hip and take bone from his hip and then they use that as basically like, I think it's called like an alligraft or something along those lines. And they put it in there and that is what encourages more bone to grow. Now they just have this like super material they put in there and like your blood and shit hits it and is like, ah, we should make bone. And then it just fucking makes bone there. That's amazing.

It's awesome. It's awesome. So like, and then that will take all the pressure off the nerves. So I've got a ton of pressure on the nerves. You're going to be screwed up, be screwed up right there gonna screw the shit I don't have like a change in shit in there screws in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's cool and Never be able to go through I asked about the metal detector. It's titanium so I can go through. Oh nice They can't go through a titanium detective

Immediately was like wait a minute like if I was a terrorist Everything's made of titanium, but I think it's just the amount of shit, you know So cuz I was also wondering I was like, can I just not get MRIs again, but it's not in Ferris So you get oh, no kidding. I didn't realize that okay. Yeah, so like yeah, it's actually pretty awesome Wow, you will not be iron man. I will not be I'll be titanium guy. I don't know if that's as cool titanium fella But I cannot wait. I will tell you like, you know how like time like speeds up when you're having fun and it slows down when you have like.

How slow is it going bro? It's really slow man. It's so slow that like, and I'm a little out of it too because like I'm not taking, this is hilarious but like I was like well what can we do the pain? Cause I've got bone on nerve on bone. I don't know space in the back. It's very rough. And he's like, yeah, well like you didn't respond to the morphine in the emergency room. That's not unusual. He's like, you know, opiates aren't really good for nerve pain. And I was like, okay, well what is, and he's like, I can take like enormous doses of like gabapentin or or pregabalin, but those have all these problems

Oh takes like a week or two before you're gonna know if they work that seems stupid and I was like I don't want that He's like you can take some prednisone keep the swelling down But you got a taper off of that before he gets his surgery. So like I'm just doing nothing. That's like Tylenol Oh, and I'm like, so you're doing nothing and you're all out of ideas. That's it, man. So... And does Tylenol even help? No, but I do it anyway. Because I just feel so frustrated that it feels like I did something.

What you got to do is you got to take it like the guy who takes the pill in the professional and put it between your teeth and crack it and hold your head back. And then just, yeah, that's what you got to do. So it's fucking crazy. I'm actually tapering off of the Prednisone starting today. Nice. So like three days, I won't be on any Prednisone three days prior.

So three days prior, I'll be totally just fucking wrong dog in this. Whatever you do, don't mess up Tom's food order those days. I'll tell you what. I had to totally call off of my day job. Like I was trying to work and like I'm on the phone and people are talking and I'm just like, I can't concentrate. I will fucking kill you right now.

Yeah, I'm like, somebody did something, I was like, we should just probably fire them. And they're like, no, I don't think we should fire them. Like that guy did a fine job. He just made a little mistake. I need to just relax. I gotta chill. Like, yeah.

Well, and I know that we're gonna get messages from people to be like, Cecil, you're making this guy work for it. No, you're not making me work at all. But genuinely, like you said, like you're gonna, you've got to keep moving because it keeps your mind off of this sort of thing. I would rather be here with you doing the show or, you know, doing Citation Needed or doing dads or like standing up and like walking around my kitchen. Like then, because just sitting around and just watching time go slow is not helping.

Yeah. That's super unpleasant the whole time anyway. So it might as well be unpleasant and talk about really unpleasant things. And like the state of the world. Like the state of the world being unpleasant. And you're like, wow, it feels like my neck all the time. But in any case, Tom, Tom is going to have surgery next week. Well, and you're driving me and picking me up. Tom and I are going to take a couple of days off to make sure that Tom's okay.

But I may or may not be able to get another show next week. So we're going to record a second show today. If we can't, we'll release that one. If not, we'll save that one. But I'm hoping I can get a guess between now and then so that we don't have to worry about skipping a week and that there will be something there. But we will have a second show that we're hoping to bank for when I go on vacation,

but might not have given it. We're going to give it a try. We'll see what happens. We're going to give it a. But in any case, just, just so you know, it might be, it might be a long form show next week or it might be a guest show next week. It just depends on what we get to and how we handle it. But I want to let people know that Tom is going to be going through this next week.

And I will post if you want to know how Tom's doing, I will post on social media on our fans of page. I won't probably, I probably won't post it on the big, like, hey everybody, whatever, on these big ones. But if you're not, you can go to the fans of Facebook page and they will then, we'll post to something there and pin it. And also if you send a message to, you know,

DissonancePod, I'll respond to it. If DissonancePod at gmail.com, I'll respond to something there and pin it. Oh, that's nice. And also if you send a message to, you know, DissonancePod, I'll respond to it. If DissonancePod at gmail.com, I'll respond to it. But Tom is going in Wednesday. Yep, yep. And then we'll, hopefully he'll be home on Thursday and everything will be good and Tom's gonna be fixed. And then hopefully the next week, he'll be back. If not, I'll find a guest or we'll figure something out.

But just letting people know that things are gonna be a little weird for a little while. Yeah, I'm gonna be fine. Time's gonna be fine. It's just like the show is a little weird, whatever. But the show is the show. I suspect a week after, like when I had my low back fixed,

three days after surgery, I was hitting on Haley and trying to go out for dinner. Three days after surgery, you were climbing a thing in New York. You were climbing on a scaffolding in New York. So I think it'll be, I think, I strongly suspect I'll be fine. So yeah. Fingers crossed.

I think Tom will be fine too. Tom has survived, already survived surgeries. He's a very strong and tenacious individual. So I'm sure he's going to be fine. Have you ever been, have you ever been in general anesthesia? So the only time I had general anesthesia was when they looked at my butt because I had a colonoscopy and it wasn't like general. It's like a stuff, Twilight thing. So I've never actually done it. And I did not like it because they said I talked

to them and had conversations. I'm like, no, I didn't know. No, this part didn't. None of this did something there. Did this wasn't it? I didn't do it, and that's, I hated, I hated hearing that. That I had like a actual conversation with someone while I didn't have, I really did not enjoy hearing that at all. That fucked me up for like a week, I was thinking about that, I was like, who's in there?

Yeah, I know, man. Who's in there, man? There's a ghost in the machine and it ain't you. It was me, wasn't this, I didn't do it. No, no, no. It was fucked up, yeah. Yeah, man, fuck that. I only had general anesthesia the one other time when I had my low back surgery.

And it's like, I feel like it's dying. It's exactly like what dying will be like. It's just like you go back there and then you turn off and turn on again. It's nothing like falling asleep. There's like a, when you fall asleep, there's kind of like a process, a gradual fading out and fading back in sort of a thing.

Where like there's some perception of time. It's the fucking wildest thing in the world. There's literally no perception at all of the space from out to back on. It's gotta be like a big test. 45 minutes goes by in a second. It's like one second. It's like it never happens.

You're just like, okay, I'm going to have surgery. It's over. Yeah. And you're like, wait, the fuck? It's a really strange experience. Wild, dude. Wild. Really unpleasant for me.

I mean, not the feeling of it of doing any of it. It didn't matter. I was like, whatever. Totally freaks me out. I didn't like the after talk that I had. I was like, I'm just going to tell the next lady. I'm like, don't tell me had. I was like, I don't I'm just gonna tell the next later. I'm like, don't tell me anything. Don't talk about anything that happened. This is Vegas. We don't talk about that.

Minecraft proves that abolishing child labor was a mistake. The children yearn for the mines. Since this comes from Financial Times, Bill Gates accuses Elon Musk of killing children with USAID cuts. Now to be very fair to the position, that is because the USAID cuts will absolutely 100% unequivocally resolve with the death of children. So he said that because it's true fucking facts. Yeah, absolutely. So, he said that because it's true fucking facts. Yeah, absolutely. And I know that after listening to some right-wing people for a little while, right, and adding

some of this to my steady diet of media, I will note, I think I already know what they're going to say about this. And I think the attack on Bill Gates from them talking about Musk using Doge to cut USAID, they will say something like, Gates is just mad because the faucet for the money has turned on. He's just upset because they turned the money off on these things that he was, you know, whatever. Bill Gates does need the cash.

And I'm like, he's like a mega billionaire who in the same article says he's going to give all that money away. Wait a minute. Now, when you point that out, I feel stupid. It's so stupid. It is a dumb. It's a dumb argument. But that that will convince many, many people that will convince a lot of those people. Doesn't that? First of all, that tells on them. Yeah, it tells on them in terms of what their values are.

Right. Because what they're saying is, hey, I would kill kids for money. I would hurt other people for money. So I can assume that I can ascribe the same logic to you. Like why would you, I would, you know, it's like those people who are like, the only thing that stops me from like murdering and raping people is the threat of Jesus Christ

being sad about it or whatever. Somebody, Jesus is watching me. Right. And you're like, oh, oh, you're the worst. Like you're a bad person. Yeah. Like I like we've joked before, like I already do all the raping and killing I want to do, which is like zero of that.

Absolutely. But like, I am curious because you have been doing no Rogan now for, I don't know what since the beginning of the year, a fair bit of time now. So your diet now does have more right wing stuff that's leaked into it. Has that changed? Have you softened your views on any of their views?

I don't feel like I have at all. In fact, it's made me a little more reactionary to some of this stuff because I just see how, how simplistic some of the arguments are. and so it's made me a little more Agitated that that just like you were where you're like now a matter because it's so easy to convince you right? Yeah, that's what I think that's sort of where I've been sitting more and more It hasn't softened my views on their viewpoints I don't feel like and I feel like I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt

That's that's why I was curious because you hear all the time And I think it's generally good advice was curious because you hear all the time, and I think it's generally good advice, like in theory, right, you hear all the time, like, we should be consuming a diet of media, and I believe this to some degree, a diet of media that has some diversity in terms of its viewpoint.

Sure. And I think like, yeah, okay, I'm like, I have made sure that like I listen to Slate, sure, but I also listen to the Wall Street Journal podcast. So every single morning, I never skip it. And so I do believe that that's a good idea in general. But I'm also just like, but the right-wing talking points are so blatantly stupid

that I don't feel like they're gonna make me, they're not gonna moderate my views. They're not going to like, you know, attenuate any of my positions at all. In fact, when I listen to some of these right-wing positions or talking points, they fire me up. Because they're just so dumb. They're just, they're blatant and they're manipulative

in ways that are like really transparent and really like without facts and without evidence. I was just curious like if you had had. Yeah, it doesn't know. I'm the same way. And I feel like, like I think our show has done a okay job in the past of pointing out those manipulative things on the left, right? When somebody does something on the left, that's trying to manipulate.

We're going to talk about one today. Yeah. Like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on a second. Let's get the fact straight. Let's figure it out. Let's figure it. And oftentimes there is a seed of truth. Jen, I think probably sometimes there's a seed of truth

in some of the farther right-wing talking points, but they expand it so much and they forget about some pretty obvious things that it makes it feel like you're just really neglecting it or, and you're dumb, or you're just blatantly manipulating people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think the problem is that it doesn't matter.

If you have a bullhorn and you're stupid and you manipulate people, or if you purposely manipulate people, those people are still manipulated. The end result is those people were manipulated. So that's what makes me upset and what I don't give them the benefit of the doubt. And I think we spend a lot of that time trying to steal man

or at least soften the blow on a lot of their arguments too. Give them the benefit of the doubt way more often. And it's still at the end of it, I'm just like, no, even if I give you the benefit of the doubt, I can tell you're doing the wrong thing and you're doing something bad. So let me ask you on this article, cause I was curious, like,

what about the sort of argument I can sort of hear in my head from people on the right who are saying, like, well, you can't save everybody. It's not the United States job to save every starving child or every disease, you know, across the world. So if it's not our job to do it for everybody,

why is it our job to do it for some of these people? Yeah, and I think what you have to say is like, you have an opportunity to save some, so you should. It's soft power too. Let's not forget that it's soft power. And I think that that's the most important thing you got to think about with this article is like, soft power is my porn. We need the fluffer again. Soft power is down. Again, soft power is down. But it's about, it's about using the charity that you do for, like I suggest, soft power to make sure that, that we have some influence on those areas. And you're right, you're not going to solve the entire AIDS crisis.

You're not going to solve hunger all over the world. But you know, you are also an example. That's the other thing too, is that we are an example to other places around the world to help out and to try to also try to edge us out for soft power. Right. So if we help, then China helps, then Russia helps because they all have to do the same thing I think there's a cascading effect there that that you help more people by doing it yourself Because of that cascading effect then if you just stopped most people would stop So there's no reason to you know continue doing it or they might do it a little bit and it won't matter So I think I think there's an important. There's a couple of important aspects there. I mean, I think that those people too, who are going to say, well, you can't save the whole world be like, well, you're an asshole. Like you're

a bad person. Like if you can, like the difference between, you know, saving one person and saving a million people is a lot, but if you can save that one person, you should. Isn't it just like an easy trolley problem? Right? It's like, well, I just, I just like, I gotta run over some people. Can you just put trains on all the tracks? Right? No, no, no, we can, we can like flip some levers. Let's flip some levers. But I mean, have you also considered that we've saved virtually no meaningful amount

of money? Almost no money at all. And like I saw, I don't know if it was in this article or a different one that I saw where they were claiming the, I forget which news organization, I met him in the AP, went after Doge and said, hey, we found like 23 things that you said you cut or that you said that are basically cutting and that are taking a bunch

of money and they're added into your total. But we know you turned those back on because you were forced to. And those are still in your total. And so they went and they like deleted some of them, but they still kept the total. Are you serious? They fucked it all up. They're such assholes. It's because they just like these guys didn't even know how to work a database and we're

telling them please like like cut things in our government. Like this is, and I think, you know, Bill Gates is a billionaire, right? So like, whatever, like I don't like Bill Gates as a person. Probably I wouldn't like him. I wouldn't. I think billionaires are unethical in general, right? There's no ethical billionaires. So I don't like Bill Gates, but at least in this article, there's somebody who's calling someone else out for,

you know, this blatant misuse of all these, like all this power that he has. And he's misusing not just his own funds and his, you know, he has no real sort of like charitable giving, but he also is like absolutely destroying other people's charitable giving. That's our opportunity. And he's destroying it.

He's destroying it. I was also thinking about it this way too. Like I think, I don't know the exact dollar amount, right? But I think like when I read some article that like, if USAID cost the average taxpayer, like a dollar or less a year. I saw this. And so I thought immediately I was like,

would I be willing to spend $1 this year to save a thousand lives? If somebody said, Tom, you can have a dollar or we'll save, I'd be like, yeah, have my dollar. Have my dollar. Even if it was one life. Or even if you and 10 other people save one. Right.

I'd be like, oh yeah. When you do the math down to the person level, because that's the truth of it, right? What does it cost me? There's no such thing as the government, right? The government is an amalgamation of all of the efforts of 340 million of us. So what does it cost me? Well, it cost me a buck. Let's say it cost me five bucks. Let's say it cost me a hundred bucks. And you're gonna say, Tom, would you give a hundred dollars this year to save 10,000 kids or 10,000 other people

or vaccinate a whole bunch of people? I'd be like, yeah, that's a great money spent. Awesome, I love it. I waste a hundred dollars a year on stuff like fucking garbage. I probably buy a hundred dollars worth of candy in a year. You know what I mean? Like it's nothing.

If we do the math at the personhood level, it's so easy. Yeah, it's so easy. Absolutely. May I remind you that this is a library, not some catwalk. It's stories from the New York Times. Trump installs top Justice Department official at Library of Congress, prompting a standoff. Weird standoff too. This is such a strange article and it's such a strange thing to do at the very bottom of it. Can you scroll to the bottom of it? Because the bottom of it, I think, is where where the like stupid juice is that I want to squeeze. After Mr. Trump terminated Dr. Hayden, who'd served in the

job since 2016, the White House accused her of having placed, quote, inappropriate books in the library for children. The Library of Congress houses the Congressional Research Service, which provides nonpartisan information to assist in the drafting of legislation and the copyright office. It also functions as the nation's library, holding more than 25 million cataloged books. It's primarily a research facility, limited to people 16 years or older, but it does have a children's reading room. Nobody's going to the library of Congress. It's just a total misunderstanding of the word library, dude. These people are so genuinely stupid, but you know, the stupidity is like their bullheadedness

and the stupidity is like, it's part of the point. It's part of the point. But this whole article is really, really strange because it's, he fires somebody, then he appoints someone and then they send two guys over with like a note pinned to their chest. Mom said I work here now. Mom said I can go on field trip. So they show up and they're like, yeah, no, go away.

And they're waiting for Congress essentially to decide who is this person because it's gotta be decided by them. Yeah, you can do whatever acting bullshit you want. But these people are like, like walking in thinking they're going to just waltz in and do some shit. They're going to doze it up. No, you're not.

No, you're not coming in. And they had to leave like they made them leave. Have you ever tried to fuck with a librarian? Is there anyone in the world you want to fuck with less real bad idea than a library? First of all, these fucking appointees walked in, they got shushed. They did. They got shushed so hard. They got fucking shushed.

Yeah. Someone tap the sign. You know what I mean? Like quiet please. Like mm mm mm. Just tapping the sign. They walk in, they're just like, first of all, we know you still owe on a book that you took out in second grade.

Someone's got him in a chicken wing, making him dig through his fucking pants to pull out the chain. You did not return your Judy Blume book in second grade. It's five cents a day and it's been 14 years, sir. Your Bruce Balms book wasn't returned. Yeah. Sir, you gotta turn in your Mein Kampf copy. You can't.

You can't. You can't. Only this time, it's different. Who left the fridge open? Hugs speedman, scorcher six, global meltdown. Here we go again. Again. The story is from the New Republic.

Trump has total meltdown after MSNBC exposes tariffs disaster. So there's a clip. I think we can play the clip from MSNBC where they break down the tariff. Yeah, we can play the clip from MSNBC. All right. So here's that clip. Donald Trump is backed into a corner. His grand plans of tariffs, tariffs, tariffs aren't working, right?

You're seeing day in and day out more business leaders, whether it's Warren Buffett or Jamie Diamond or Ken Griffin on big global stages saying this is going to crush us economically. And then you've got congressmen, senators from every state saying to this White House, our small businesses are strangling, are dying here. I'm not saying Donald Trump has changed what he thinks in his heart, but he's backed into a corner and he needs to get off this crazy tariff train. And he knows it. So what do we see with England? Great Britain. You've got a PM there who's a close ally of Donald Trump.

And they're saying, let's put on a show, let's create a theater and let's say we've got a deal. And yes, there aren't any details to it. There is still a 10% tariff, which is why Jay Powell is not cutting rates because 10% is more than triple what it was. So it's still going to be painful, especially for small business. But what's most important is the language around China. A week ago, China was like, we're not showing up unless you lower the tariffs. And we didn't 48 hours ago, Donald Trump said, we're not going to lower the tariffs yesterday. He said, yeah, maybe. And today things are softening even more. So I absolutely agree with you that Donald Trump is looking for some sort of exit here. So he, he saw this and he got real, real, real mad.

He got big mad about it. He got so mad about it. He got so mad about it. He truthed it out. He truthed out like a bunch of like insults. Here's what he truthed out here. He said, I just watched an exhausted, highly neurotic Stephanie Ruhl spew a lot. She didn't look exhausted or neurotic, by the way. That's just like fucking slander.

It's just a way to make, because like you pointed out weeks ago, like Trump, the only thing Trump has to judge people is their appearance. Yeah. Right? So if he makes them sound like their appearance is bad, then that makes them bad. And so that's because that's how he judges people. He thinks that's how everybody else judges them. That's how everybody else judges them.

Yeah. Highly ironic Stephanie Rulsp, you lies about tariffs as do many others in order not to give me the victory that they all see coming. Few people know Stephanie rule, but I do. And she doesn't have what it takes. He wrote personally attacking the MSNBC host. Our deal with the United Kingdom yesterday was amazing for both countries. And in addition to everything else, British Airways just ordered $10 billion worth of new Boeing planes. We're going to make a fortune with tariffs. Only

smart people understand that. And Stephanie was never known as a high IQ person. MSDNC has become the voice of the democratic party and they should be treated as a political advocate with all the taxes and penalties they're from. They're from their ratings are terrible, but Brian Roberts and his crew should be forced to tell the truth, make America great again. Yeah, he's mad, he's mad, but like genuinely, if you look at what happened, like these pauses,

when he's pausing these things, like he's pausing China, he's pausing other tariffs, when he pauses them, that doesn't automatically reinstate all the stuff that we had before because people are like, well, I don't know. You paused it. You didn't just say it goes away. So now what do I do? Because we know you're fickle and we know you can change your mind and we know you can

fucking just decide on a dime. So why would I continue or even try to go down that avenue anymore until you've said it's a% resolved. People are making all kinds of alternative arrangements, some of which, once they are locked into, they will have signed contracts, they will have deepened relationships, they may have found other suppliers

that they prefer working with. They may just be like, hey, I don't wanna do this kind of business anymore and walk away. They're not interested, yeah. There's no damage to doing this kind of nonsense. Like the deal with Britain is a nothing. Like that's a, it's literally just a nothing.

That was never anything. The pause with China, I think surprised everybody. I listened to a few podcasts about this. I think nobody thought that they were going to make a deal as quickly as they made a deal in order to get to a pause position with China. I think that was surprising. The markets reacted very favorably to that. But again, it's just a pause. You know, like, I don't think that uncertainty and here's why I don't think this because literally nobody says uncertainty is good for the economy. It's not good. It's great for it. It's great for probably him and his friends. Yes. It's also good for him because great for probably him and his friends. Yes.

And it's also good for him because he can always say, I fixed it. Yeah, like this is the classic, create the problem to fix a problem stuff. What I do want to seize on though, because I think it's actually, one of the most important things in this blast that he put out is at the very end when he says,

MSDNC has become the voice of the Democrat party and they should be treated as a political advocate with all the taxes and penalties they are from. That is a straight up threat. That is, this is again, yet another straight up threat to media, to the press, to say, stop producing material that disagrees with me, stop criticizing me, stop attacking my policies,

my positions, or I am gonna find a way to retaliate and to hurt you. And we know he's willing to do that. Look at what he's done to the top law firms all across Washington, D.C. And the way that his administration basically bent and broke many of those firms in retaliation for their working against him

in criminal cases and civil cases. This is real. That's chilling. That to me is very chill. Yeah. Yeah. You're not wrong. And you're going to see his administration carrying out these orders. Yeah. So like he might say something like that. And I wouldn't be surprised in a couple of weeks if they get some sort of message that says certain things have been stripped from them. I wouldn't be surprised by that at all. I was also thinking too that like there's probably going to be here's my prediction for what it's worth. So like this and seven dollars can buy you a cup of coffee right or maybe eight dollars depending on how the tariffs work out. I do think that we will see in the next six months a heavy weaponization of the FCC. I think that the FCC will be aggressively weaponized by the Trump administration

against organizations that criticize and run editorials. I think that they will, they will try to strip people, strip organizations of their licenses. I think they'll try to use the FCC to damage the, the ability for organizations, even like NPR to continue to PBS and MSNBC to continue to function CNN. Yeah, I think that will be absolutely weaponized and I think it'll happen in the next six months Yeah, I could be wrong. No, I think I I certainly wouldn't when I'm bad against it. Yeah

This story is from Newsweek Donald Trump blames air traffic control problems on Pete Buttigieg. Cecil, I'm a little out of it these days I admit, but can you tell me approximately what month it is? Approximately May? So it's been about a half a year. You can't still blame shit on the other guy, man. And you can't blame it after you came in and fired a bunch of people.

Right. Right. Like they had been making concerted efforts for years to try to sort of make sure that they had enough people as air traffic controllers. A lot of their line is this DEI line. They keep on talking about this D like it's DEI. That's why everything is all bad. They chased away all these old, older people in the past.

And I remember looking into this and seeing like, there's more white males that do this job than anyone else. Like by a lot. Like it's not even close. It's by a lot. Okay, but is it all white males? Because unless it's all, then it's DEI. Yeah, I guess there's...

You let one in. If you let one in. If you let one in. You let one in. That's it. Yeah, but like seriously, that's essentially. That's essentially what they're saying. And they're trying to twist the numbers

to make it seem like it's DEI that has ruined this organization that sort of makes sure that all these air traffic controllers run. And that's just not true. It's that we can't fund it properly, right? It's a, again, this has always been our problem in this country. We create something like the air traffic controllers that control all the air around all these different

fucking airports all over the nation. And then we don't fund it properly because Congress keeps on turning the spigot off, right? They keep turning the spigot off. They won't, we won't get pay increases. Look what they did. They came in and they fired a bunch of people. They won't they won't we won't get pets pay increases Look what they did They came in and they fired a bunch of people and then afterwards like fuck we fucked up We need these people they tried to hire a bunch of these people back and

They're never gonna get the proper pay that they really deserve these people deserve a lot of money This is a stressful fucking job. They work long hours They have to sit in front of a fucking monitor make sure planes don't fucking smash into each other and they're constantly stressed. It's really tough. It's not an easy job. You've got to pay these people and you got to make it a job. They're talking like, oh, you can come in and get a three figure salary and like, or a six figure salary. No shit. You can do that in a lot of industries. You got to make it really, really, really, really, really, really enticing for these people. Give them massive amounts of time off, get enough people in there so you can handle it. You gotta hire more people.

All those things are so important. And the thing is, is like, people go into the training and they fail a lot of the training, because it's a fucking hard job. It's not an easy job. You can't just walk in and think you're gonna get the job. It's a hard fucking job. And you gotta entice, if it's a hard job, you got to pay

people. If it's hard to get in, it's even more crucial that you got to pay people constantly because not only will you have the people who can't get in, you also are going to have turnover. It's a hard job. So you just got to pay these people to make sure it's worth their time and they're just not doing it. Dude, every time I get on an airplane, I want to know that all the people involved in that airplane, all of them, are having a great day today. Best day of their life. Right?

I want everybody who's involved in my airplane experience, in any way, from the fucking baggage handler to the guys with the fucking like red sticks that say go down this runway and not that runway. It's the best day of their life. Absolutely. I don't want anybody, and the air traffic control guys, dude, they should work four hours a day and they should get a blow job the other four hours a day. I'll tell you what, literally, they shouldn't, what they do is they make these people work

a lot and they make them work a lot because it's a hard job and because there's not a lot of people who do it. We should fix that. We should fix it. There's a way to fix it. There's always a way to fix these problems and it's real easy. And the problem is that there's never any will to do it. They are willing to give giant tax cuts to the wealthiest people in this nation.

Chances are you're never going to see a real change on your taxes. I'm not really going to see a change on my taxes. It's not really going to be a big deal. Trump's going to cut it for businesses and for, and for very specifically for very wealthy people and you're going to wind up seeing all this money, this trillions of dollars that we're not taking in now, they got to find it somewhere and they're not going to be able to bolster these positions. It's just bad.

It's just bad planning. It's bad. Like we want to travel. Like I understand this kind of like a first world problem, right? There's other people out there who can't travel, right? But the people, like people do want to travel safely. Like if you can't travel, even if like, let's say you can't ever travel,

let's say you're just paycheck to paycheck, the best you can do, but like once a year, you might be able to go back home and see your family. You certainly don't want to get a car, like in a fucking airplane crash that day. Like there's a lot of people that travel for work. There's a lot of reasons people are traveling. Like it's as like using an airplane in the 21st century is not just a luxury thing to do. It is often a necessity

thing to do. But I also think, Cecil, like there's just some jobs where we've structurally created environments that are artificially terrible. And weirdly enough, they're like the highest stakes jobs. It's like, you know, you go to the hospital and there's like this doctor who's like on his fucking 30 second consecutive hour and he like, you know what I mean? He's in the emergency room and he slept like hanging upside down in a coat rack like last week or something

cause he's like gotta do his residency and he's like, I wanna save your life or fall asleep, I don't know. And then like you got some fucking air traffic controllers like as like 300 people in a ball of fire if I do anything Wrong, you know like that guy should be so well rested all these people should just have entirely different lives But we build these insane incentive structures around how we employ these people to save money where it doesn't matter Yeah to save money where like I don't want savings there I'm happy to have the savings go literally anywhere else.

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Bye bye. So get off your ass, let's do some math, math, math, math, math, math. This story's from the New York Times. Millions would lose health coverage under GOP Bill, but not as many as Democrats say. A widely circulated talking point about cuts to Medicaid inflates the legislation's effects by about five million people. The actual legislation, if it goes through, will knock about 8.6 million people off of Medicaid. That is the actual number. What the Democrats are doing is they're saying,

all right, but what if these other things that are set to expire, expire? Expire. Yeah. That's a good bet. Yes. Which is a good bet. It's a good bet. Yeah. But it is also not directly related to the GOP's current effort with their bill. It's a conf bet. It's a good bet. But it is also not directly related to the GOP's current effort with their bill.

It's a conflation to make that number go from 8.6 million to 13.7 million. I have a real problem with that. That's a credibility fuck up that they should not fucking do. And 8.6 million is enough people to catch my fucking attention. I think so too.

And I think like, I do sympathize with you on this. I think like I understand where they come from because you're like, that's possible. Not only possible, it's probable that those things will expire and these people will be knocked off Medicaid. And it might be easier to do once we pull these other people off Medicaid

to let these other people lapse off Medicaid, right? Cause the dominoes will fall. So I understand the logic and I recognize it. But I also recognize too that like, they're trying to make it sound like, hey, it's actually, you know, while it's not 1%, it's like, you're going from 3% to 4%, about a little less than 3% to 4%.

So they wanna make that 4% number, right? 4% of people in the United States will get up. And if you don't take the millions, you don't take all the people in the nation, you just take the people who are on Medicare and you say X number, it's way more damning. Because like, let's say there's 60 million people on Medicare.

Medicaid, sorry. 60 million people on Medicaid, 60 million people are on Medicaid and you take away 13 versus taking away eight. That's a huge difference. And that makes people stop and be like, holy shit, am I one in five? Am I going to be the one in five? And then it's like, oh wait, it's one in four.

It's one in seven. Oh, that's different. And it's not much different. I'll tell you right now, it's not much different. It's still like you suggest, it's still going to capture your attention. But it's important, I think, because this is now the wedge. And the problem is, I think, with the right-wing media is that if you say a wrong thing one time ever, then you're completely discredited forever from that point on, even if you made

a mistake and correct it. And if you keep going with this mistake number, now you look like a liar. Yep. Well, I think strategically, just from like the Democrats are playing politics when they're talking these things up, right? When they're trying to make their case to the American people, they are making a political case. And I think that the problem here is that it's a pretty complex issue to get to move

the needle from 8.6 to 13.7. When I read through the article, it's kind of complicated, right? It's kind of complicated in terms of trying to understand what is gonna expire and who passed it and why does it expire and you know, like, so America's not good with complex messages. What America is good with is those guys are lying to you. Yeah, yeah. So you can't give them

a you're lying, you can't give that to them. You just have to say, hey, the Republicans are working on knocking 8.6 million people off of Medicaid. It could be 13 million by the end of the year with these other things or whatever. Right. There are other dangers to Medicaid, which would increase that number if we don't act now. But I'll tell you what, the current bill as proposed will knock 8.6 million people off of Medicaid, hammer away at that.

That's powerful. Don't give them an opportunity to call you a liar, credibly. Never give them that opportunity because there's so many people who are so willing to believe that. There's people that are willing to believe that Hillary Clinton eats baby faces to suck out their fucking adrenochromes underneath a pizza parlor. We are not a nation that deals with nuance and complexity.

Well, I got a question for you though. So you know, there's this whole push for like, let's stop the let's stop with sort of the status quo of what the Democrats have been doing for a long time Yeah, you know, let's stop playing. Let's stop playing these meek politics. Let's not do the you know You know, it's no longer when they go high when we go when they go low we go high or whatever It is like we go low now. Is this an opportunity for that? We're missing because they're going low and That's kind of what I think people want.

They want to make sure that they they they force a message that's important to a lot of Americans. Yeah, yeah. I think I think it's a difficult balancing act. I think we do have to not pussyfoot around for sure. I think we got to take the message to the street really, really hard. But we also are held to a different moral standard amongst our own constituency.

Yeah, we value truth. Yeah. We value truth. So we have to, it's a different kind of a balancing act, right? So I think the reality is here, we have to hit that 8.6 number. There's enough, there's enough juice here to squeeze. There's enough juice.

You don't have to get, you know, like there's plenty here. Yeah. Enough is enough. I have had it with these monkey fighting snakes on this Monday to Friday play. Everybody strap in. About to open some freaking windows. See, so this story is like all I care about.

This is from the New York Times. This really bothers me. Trump's plan to take jet from Qatar heightens corruption concerns. The second Trump administration is blowing through limits on the mixing of public office and personal benefits. So I've listened to a bunch of shit and read a bunch of shit about this.

So I guess that the current Air Force One, first of all, there's two Air Force Ones. If people know this, there's two Air Force Ones. There's always two Air Force Ones. Or two planes that can function, I should say, is Air Force One. Air Force One is only ever one, it's the one, or two planes that can function, I should say, is Air Force One. Air Force One is only ever one, it's the one he's on. It's the one he's on.

Right, so I don't want to get an email, but there are two 747s that can function in this regard. And these are very specific purpose-made or purpose retrofit planes. The planes we're using now are old. They're like 40 years old. So these are not the latest and greatest 747s that are out there. They're very old airplanes and they are not in particularly good shape.

One of the podcasts I was listening to this morning, which was either Slate or the Daily or one of those, it was a pretty big show, they called it janky. They actually used the word janky to describe them. Do they like shutter when they're taking off and landing? They're just old planes. They're very sophisticated airplanes, but they're not new. And there's been, for a long time, Boeing has been working on building new planes that will serve the function of Air Force One.

But these planes take a long time to build. Like they don't just like whip out an Air Force One Ready 747 off the factory floor. These planes are custom built. All airplanes are actually like, they take years to produce these things. So there's already a plane sort of like appropriated and the money's set and the budgets and the contracts,

all that stuff is done for replacements. Trump is pissy because those airplanes will not be ready in time for him to get in one. And he's a big fucking airplane guy. Like he fucking strokes airplane dick constantly. So the Qataris are like, hey, we will give you this airplane. It's an older airplane,

but it's way newer than the current Air Force one. It's a used airplane. It's worth about $400 million. We'll just give you this airplane. And then you as the Department of Defense, you're allowed, you can accept it in as a gift. And then after Trump leaves office, it will then be gifted from the Department of Defense to the Trump presidential library, which effectively just gives it to Trump. And not only is that corrupt as fuck, but like that airplane,

like it is a mobile White House, and it is a mobile White House that serves like important military functions, like really important military functions. During 9-11, George W. Bush was flying around, that was the command center when we were under attack, was Air Force One. They scrambled him into Air Force One, it was flying around. That was the command center when we were under attack, was Air Force One. They scrambled him into Air Force One and flew him around.

This is a really sensitive piece of military technology and espionage technology. The idea of taking one of these from a foreign government that in 2017, Trump himself accused credibly of funding terrorism. Seems just so blatantly insane. Like just from a security standpoint. Like if I was a guy that was like running the security things for America,

I'd be like, yeah man, we're not gonna like let the Saudis come do the remodel at the White House. Yeah. Right? You would, like anybody who said like, let's have the Saudi Arabian government said they'll do a full fucking remodel of the Lincoln House. Yeah. Right? You would like anybody who said like, let's, let's, let's have the Saudi Arabian government said they'll do a full fucking remodel of the Lincoln bedroom for free. We should let them do it.

They're sending their guys over to do it. Like they're not, they're not just going to hire out here. That's what I'm saying. They're not going on Craigslist. Right. To be like, Hey, who can we get over? We need to do the Lincoln bedroom. We've got to chop the bed down a little bit.

Something like that. No, instead it's, it's they're sending their dudes over with saws and toolboxes that you can't look in. Right. Yeah. Like this just seems like if I was the Qatari government, it'd be like, I'm filling this plane full of listening shit and like I get to crash the plane when I want shit. Like I, like I just would, I just, would. I would be like, what a dumb ass.

What an opportunity as a foreign nation to give you this thing and to own your dumb ass. Yeah, and I think like what you're seeing is, like you suggest blatant corruption, you're also seeing him, it's something for him. It's something that he's going to get to keep, right? He's going to get to basically keep this thing until after he's out of all. he gets to use it now and forever

And I'll have a brand new really nice beautiful jet that he gets to fly around. It's not brand new, but you know I mean, yes fucking better better than we knew you knew to you And it gets to fly around when it gets to have a jet He doesn't have one of these right doesn't own one of these yeah so he's gonna he's gonna get one of these and I think like You know that I saw Yeah, so he's gonna he's gonna get one of these and I think like, you know I saw arguments online where they're saying all other places have gifted like they gifted the Statue of Liberty like yeah Well, the president didn't take it home with him when it was done

Yeah, they didn't like leave office and put it in his front yard, you know Like that is so different, but it really say the Statue of Liberty and Colter put it out there because she's a Who put it out there. Because she's a provocateur. Jesus Christ. Who put that out there. What a dumb guy. I don't know that it's dumb. I think it's easy to convince some of these people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The people on your side are so easy to convince.

And she's a provocateur. So she's happy when people are talking about her, whether or not she cares. She doesn't care whether you think she said something clever. She's just as happy to be dunked on as long as you're talking about her. That's true.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it doesn't matter. And so I think like, I think like what you're seeing is a push from people on the right because they just want to defend everything he does, everything, every single thing he does. And nobody can look this in the face and be like, this is wrong. You can't just get shit because you're just working in the government. That's not how it works. It's just, of course it's like, it's like Trump parked their car and they folded a 747 and they tucked it into his fucking pocket. Be like, here you go kid, go get your fucking shine box. And then they walk away.

Like, it's so crazy to me that this is happening. And this guy is just a, I hope, I really hope, and I'm sure someone already has, they're gonna sue him over this. I hope somebody sues him over it and it goes to somewhere. And I would love to see everybody... This would be an amazing thing to hear Clarence Thomas have to deliberate. Because he's a guy who's driving around

in a billionaire's fucking RV that bought for him. And he's getting flown to fucking Alaska. You know, I already got two to no votes. I know. I know. I already got Alito and him like I already got two no votes. Dude, do you have like when you were working a corporate job, like my corporate job, I have to take like a fucking ethics training every year. And like it tells me like, OK, like I can go to dinner like a client can take me to dinner, right? Can you get a jet from Qatar? go to dinner like a client can take me to dinner Right, and you get a jet from guitar right?

But like a client can't give me a jet like a client can't even take me to a particularly nice dinner, right? Like there's like limits. That's like it's Applebee's or Olive Garden or McDonald's like we don't set it But it's like like in the thing. It's like come it basically says like in the fucking thing come the fuck on dude Yeah, you know you're not going to right You're not going to fucking a linear, right? That's not we're doing we're not doing a business dinner They want to do what if you want to do like the best we're gonna allow is like Gibsons Yes, that's the best you can do and that is like those are two Chicago restaurants. It's a great restaurant a linear though

Yeah, linear is the best one of the best restaurants in the world is in Chicago called Linnea and one of a great steakhouse but not a super expensive one is. You're out there for a couple hundred bucks. Couple hundred bucks. It's a great, it's a nice dinner for sure. But like, I have limits and I'm no one. Also, like I don't know that people, people do. Like just think in your mind at how huge a 747 is physically and how many places there would be in a 747 to hide a listening device amongst the tens of that.

Like I looked this up. There is like there's like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of miles of wires and cables in one of these. To make this thing truly safe security wise, would take years. They have to essentially take the whole fucking thing apart. Take it apart and put it back together. And then like look over everything. Cause like imagine how small the listening devices,

I mean it's fucking 2025. You can have listening devices that are tiny, it's needles and haystacks, but it's haystacks full of wires. And like, this is just an inherently unsafe thing to do. I think you're absolutely right. I think this is, it's an impossible task to try to go through that sort of thing. You know, you said it's needles and haystacks.

It's like, it's a haystack full of needles that you're looking for one specific needle. That's really what it is. It's a haystack full of needles that you're looking for one specific needle. Yeah, man. That's really what it is. And you're like, that's, I mean, that's an impossible, it's almost an impossible task. So I think, I think it's, it's, it's a danger to have something like this without it coming from us. Right? This is something you make this.

I made this in house. I made this myself. For real. Like there's no, there's no royal taster that can get us out of this. Yes, exactly. Like imagine if like the Iranians were like, we would like to gift you all of your meals. We wouldn't be like, cool. We'll just take, we'll let the Iranians just make all of the president's meals from now on. Everybody would be like, that's dangerous, man. What are you talking about? Yeah, man. What are you saying right now? Stum, slime, menace to the golfing industry.

Cecil, I saw this story this week and I sent it to you. This is America, bro. New York Times. Robert F. Kennedy jr. Swims in Washington Creek that flows with sewage and bacteria. And I want to read part of this. So the place he went was Rock Creek. Rock Creek has high levels of bacteria and other infectious pathogens that make swimming, wading, and contact with the water hazard, a hazard to human and pet health. They said that, okay, so first off, Dummerton Oaks. It's perfect. That's kind of perfect.

It's perfect. It's kind of perfect that this guy is swimming near a place called Dummerton.aks. That is perfect. That's kind of perfect. It's perfect. It's kind of perfect that this guy is swimming to near a place called Dummerton. I know, man. You're like, yeah, no, that tracks. Dummerton totally tracks. But here's the thing. This place, this, this, this Dummerton Oaks park where he went and he's taking pictures and if you, I'll show you him in the water here.

So this is him in the water. He's also real quick. His grandchildren's names are Bobcat and Cassius. Bobcat. It's so perfect. I wonder if he talks like Bobcat Goldweight. It's like, anyway, he's got his shirt off. He's standing in this water and, and here's what it says. I want to read this. I thought he was wearing a shirt. He's so his shirt off. He's standing in this water and and here's what it says. I want to read this I thought he was wearing a shirt. He's so red. I thought it was a red shirt so dumberton oaks is downstream from pretty beach or penny Beach a

Tributary of Rock Creek that receives about 40 million gallons of untreated sewage and storm water flow each year So it's downstream from that. And they're just like, yeah, they shit in the water for a couple of miles up the road, but it's still good to worship. Like he's fully submerged at one point, fully fucking submerged in this thing. Like, do you want brain worms? That's how you get, wait a minute. I hope he gets, I hope he gets like such a severe case of pink eye that his whole face turns pink. That it's just like his whole face is just like pink and he just has to walk around like a pink guy.

God, doesn't this guy? He's not a pink guy anymore. He's a pink guy. He already kind of looks like that. It's weird red body. He's already like a red hot. God, can you imagine if it affected his voice? It fixes it. He's got like a smooth as silk sort of deep voice.

He's like, I feel so much better. But he's going to have that third eye like the Simpson's fish. He's such a fucking idiot. He's such a, but he's like, like the best, the best part about this article is the last line says Mr. Kennedy. it's not the last line. This is the last one as a teen in the seventies, Mr. Kennedy earned a reputation as a reckless adventurer eating bushmeat and enduring disease on trips to South America and African safaris. He later earned notoriety for his handling of carcasses of dead animals, including a

whale and a baby bear. This man is our health and human services secretary. They asked him a question. He's like, I don't think people should be taking medical advice from me. Well, there we agree, sir. Hey, there we agree. United States people can all agree on this. This also this the end of this article has a line that I think I think this line should

be the end of every article about Robert Kennedy. I feel like this gets you the Pulitzer. Go ahead, Tom. Mr. Kennedy has also said that a parasitic worm head got into my brain and ate a portion of it and then died. I literally think that every article about Robert F Kennedy Jr. should end with that line no matter what it is, no matter about the measles outbreak, whatever. That should be the end of every, this is every, this is like that guy who's like,

yeah, this stuff is perfectly fine. Then he drinks it and he, what was it? You just show about him. Midgeley. Yeah. Midgeley, who was like, yeah, this is like fucking leaded gasoline or whatever is perfectly fine.

Then he like drinks it in a news conference and then gives himself like lead poisoning. Yeah. I wanna talk about my, my childhood. So I grew up near the, the, the, the shipping, the sewage and shipping canal, right? It's like called the sanitary, the sanitary canal, right? So the I am now in canal is different. This is the big one.

The I am now in canal is the little one. Okay. The, the, the, this is the big one that runs this, it runs the barges to Lake Michigan from the Mississippi. Okay. This is the big one that runs the barges to Lake Michigan from the Mississippi. Okay. So essentially it connects through rivers. I think the Illinois is one of those rivers and it connects and it gets from the Mississippi. You can make your way all the way up these rivers

all the way to Chicago with these barges. Well, I remember growing up there and I remember my dad being like, all my parents were always like, don't ever go in that water because they never said it was dirty. They never once said that. They're like, there's a major undertow

and it's gonna pull you under. I know they were lying to me. Because it's sewage. Like it's literally untreated sewage gets poured into this water and this water just goes on because there's untreated sewage in there. And I remember there was this kid

and I go, he wound up jumping in there. He dove remember there was this kid and he wound up jumping in there. He dove in and like swam around and then swam and then came back up and he got so fucking, he got like, he got like E. coli or whatever. I don't doubt it man. He's like, he went for a toilet swim. And I remember growing up and being like, I'm never going to go in there. But I knew at like a pretty young age that I was like, they don't want me to go in there. There's no undertow. There's no, there hasn't been a barge in three hours. It's like, there's like just a weird current in there

that goes underneath. It's so my parents were like, yeah, man, it's full of sewage. And if I just say that kids are stupid and that's not going to work. So I'll lie to them. I'll lie to them. And then they won't say,

but there's so many of these creeks and rivers and shit around here that are just full of garbage. Right. And like, maybe when you're a dumb kid, I can say, okay, well, you're a dumb kid. Like you did a dumb thing. But when you're an adult and there's literally notices that say, please don't go in the water because it's fucking, there's going to be a turd that flows by you. And you're like, that's fine.

It's fine. Just take the grandkids out for a little turd swim, it's fine. Half of these fucking riverways and waterways and fucking, like all of it, they have signs you can't even eat the fish you catch. Like it's like, yeah, you can fish here, but it's like, it's catch and release.

You're not bringing something up and being like, oh, I'm gonna filet that at home and have a nice poop fish for dinner. Nobody wants that, They're all full. It's again, do you want brain worms? Yeah. Well, that's how you get them. This is how you get brain worms.

This is how you get them every time. Technically, I'm not a doctor yet. This is from the AP. Donald Trump taps wellness influencer close to Robert F. Kennedy Jr. for Surgeon General. So this is Cali Means. We just did a No Rogan. I recorded it this morning with Marsh and I'll be editing this weekend.

It's coming out on Monday or on Tuesday next week where we covered the Rogan interview where he interviews him and his sister and her brother. Her brother is Casey Means and they're both wellness influencers. They have a whole wellness empire. She has an app that runs off, it basically monitors your glucose all the time.

Okay. And she dropped out of medical, she was in medical school in her residency phase. So that after you graduate from medical school, you go to residency. And residency is normally three to six years worth of time where you just go do shit underneath doctor's supervision, where they watch you and pay attention to you. And you're essentially doing doctor shit,

but they are also evaluating you and talking to you and figuring it out. And then you finally get a sort of unrestricted license after you get through residency in most states. That's how it works. And she was still in residency and she quit. She wanted quitting. She was a surgeon, a neck surgeon, I think.

And then she decided not to do it anymore. She's like, I quit. She was about six months from completion and decided to quit. And she became essentially like a quack. Like she went and started like a naturalistic, holistic sort of medicine thing, started doing stuff like that.

And then now her whole thing is metabolic health. So everything she talks about is, there's a myriad of diseases, all these different things from Alzheimer's to ADHD, to depression, to young girls going through menopause sooner, all of it is related to diet according to her. So everything is diet. And it's all related to, you know,

these high fructose corn syrups and glyphosate we spray on plants. That's a roundup, right? Yeah, all the different plants that we use that glyphosate, phosphatidone or glyc, I don't know if I'm saying it right, but you know what I mean. It's like whatever. And so that's her whole shtick is traveling around saying,

I've basically figured out this grand unified theory of sickness and it's diet. And so, but her and her brother are wellness influencers. And when you listen to this show, this Joe Rogan show, you find out that they were sort of the link between RFK and Trump. So how they got, they, they knew RFK because they've been involved in politics for a long, at least her brother has been involved in politics as a lobbyist for a long time. And then he introduced sort of introduced the two and got them both involved with each other

and made sure that they made nice. And now she's getting her reward. And her reward is to be surgeon general. Well, she's not actually a surgeon because she didn't finish school, but they are gonna put her in there. And what I saw today was an article that said that because she has even a, and it's already, it's pretty much an anti-vax stance

because I heard her talk about the vaccines and she doesn't sound like she's super pro-vaccine. She sounds like she's hesitant, very hesitant vaccine where she thinks like maybe one or two vaccines, but not a bunch. Essentially. She's like one of those people who's like not a hundred percent no, but pretty much like 95% no. And, but that's not, that is not anti-vax enough for the people who are in Trump's camp. Jesus Christ. And so they're actually saying no, they're saying she shouldn't be. They want somebody more radical.

They want somebody who's more like RFK, somebody who's more radical like RFK. So we're in a, we're in big trouble. And this is, and this is what we talked about before when we talked about, you know, Tom, if you were gonna get put in the position of being president of the United States, I would hope that you wouldn't just be like, you know, you remember that one guy who had us over for turkey dinner and he did

a really good job carving that bird. Let's make him surgeon general. He's good with a knife. You know, like, like you wouldn't look in your Rolodex or you wouldn't even call it like you wouldn't even call it like let's presume you did a surgeon. You wouldn't even call the guy who's doing your neck to be like, you should be in charge of all the people. You're like, you should be in charge of large swaths of medicine in this country as the surgeon general, right? That's something you wouldn't do.

I would find somebody who is a fucking public health policy expert because I'm not an asshole and I understand the limits of my own knowledge. And like the purpose of having advisors and cabinet positions and secretary positions is, there's an built into that structural institutional understanding is that nobody knows all the stuff. Yeah. So we have to get people who are experts at the stuff to help us do that hard stuff. Yeah.

Because the world's gotten really fucking complicated. You know, like there was a time, there was a time when like there was a guy who knew all the stuff there was to know about computers, right? Because computers had not yet become as complex as they are now, right? Now you've got a guy who knows, well, I'm actually a networking guy and I'm actually a cyber security guy and I'm actually like, you know, a software software engineer guy. And I'm now there's different levels because things have gotten more complicated as systems and government is a system as systems become more complicated we need deeper benches of expertise

one of the things that Trump administration doesn't value is expertise yeah so it fucks us it just completely fucks us we all understand all of the ways that we value expertise in our lives and we seek out experts when we need help. Like if you had a Porsche or Porsche, depending on how you want to say it, you would not take it to the fucking like Chevy dealership and say, Hey, would you please work on it? You wouldn't do it right? It would be a silly thing to do even though they're related right you wouldn't take your fucking supercar over to the Chevy dealership. Yeah like you wouldn't take my McLaren down to Jiffy Lube. Right that nobody would do it We all understand that's insane. Unless you're just like I don't like this McLaren Can you imagine like fucking roaring a fucking McLaren?

That would actually be a funny video. Someone should make that video I'm sure one of these really rich influencers anyone who's got an extra McLaren There's plenty of these or an extra Jiffy Lube dude these influencers dude these fucking these guys who do like twitch and shit There's like people who have fucking McLaren's these guys are so fucking rich These people like spend so much time in there. It's like, nah, man, I'm good. I don't need to spend nine hours a day on Twitch. I ain't your friend, bro.

I know, man. That's too much. That's too much. I'll drive a Honda. Yeah, I'm okay. So that's going to be it for this week. Like I say, next week is a surprise. But if you're a patron, you will get an extra show this week.

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