Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 858: Trumps Shoots the Messenger on Labor Statistics

Episode Date: August 11, 2025

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when we talked a few weeks ago i think it was on one of the funny shows about the soccer playing a i robots yeah yeah have you seen the soccer playing or not the soccer player have you seen the ai robots that uh have been trained to dance and then fall down and just go full raygun no it's the best thing you'll see on the internet sounds amazing Tom. It is genuinely there are two robots as we move into our robotic AI dystopian

world and we're building it in front of our own very eyes. There are points of levity and I saw two videos this week that were great. The one is they've got this robot and they've put like a jaunty little cap on it and it's an AI robot and they're having to do like a little

dance number and it's doing its little dance number and it falls and when it falls it does not know what to do. So it just fucking flails around like a toddler having a tantrum in the store. That sounds amazing. It's hilarious. Do you think that the Boston Dynamics people, this happens all the time to theirs and they just never show us when it spas? You think it happens all the time? I think, well, so the second video that I saw is more what I think what happens at Boston Dynamics. So the second video I saw had a humanoid robot and I saw that I read this same, it stands about

five foot, nine inches tall, weighs a hundred and whatever pounds. Sure. It was only a hundred Yeah, it was lighter than I thought. I guess, yeah, I was lighter than I thought. It was an AI-powered robot. It was tethered to this metal thing by its head, and these engineers are standing by it. And then out of nowhere, it just starts freaking out and flailing everywhere and almost like attacks or hits the attacks. It almost like hits these guys because it just starts fucking freaking out. And so what I really think is that like most of the time when the Boston Dynamics robots malfunction, they probably just run roughshod through the place and kill,

everybody they have to hire brand new engineers and that's why you don't get video like yeah absolutely yeah yeah it's it's just it's robot flamethrower dogs all the way down now man yeah i am i do the same thing i i i strap myself up with a like a tether and then i turn the news on and i flail around all right well speaking of unmitigated disasters this stories from the new republic FBI reportedly redacted trump's name in the abstein files New details are emerging about the FBI's review of its documents on Jeffrey Epstein. Keep the pressure on. Keep the pressure on, although there's a few stories in this that show you that even keeping the pressure on,

they will right in front of your face. Like, right in front of you. Look you in the eye, like hard eye contact and then tear the document in half. They don't give a fuck. They don't care, man. They just will do everything. And people will be like, hey, man, you did that. But like, no, I didn't.

Yeah, man. And they're staring you in the face when they do it. It's super hard to have a scandal now. It really is. Not because scandalous things aren't happening. And not because we don't know about it. But like we've moved into like this weird scandal free zone. Yeah, we're in this weird area where you don't punish people.

Right. Well, and also everybody has just become sort of like, like we're inoculated against reason at this point. So I think we used to live in. Your scandal exhausted. Yeah. Yeah. We lived in a world before. where I think we'd be like, well, if crazy shit happens,

we'll all agree that was crazy, right? And now we live in a world where it's like, crazy shit happens, and your uncle Fred is like, it never happened. And you're just like, but it fucking did, dude. Like, we all literally watched it. Here's a video. AI video.

That's just the government, deep state liberals telling you about the AI cabal of adrenal crones. We got rid of those. Ain't no more of those. Those don't exist anymore. Deep state liberals, if there is a deep state liberal right now in government, they are hiding under the desk like they did back in the 50s for a nuclear bomb stars. That's what's happening.

And they're just under their desk. And they're doing like the duck and cover thing. That's just what they're doing. Because there are no, there certainly isn't any open because they were fired immediately. They're all fucking fired. Yeah, they're all fucking. I mean, like you saw last week that the Trump administration, they basically made the, the EPA come out and say greenhouse gas is toots nothing. Right? They just were like, hey,

look, we found a scientician. We can all agree, right? Wink. So what's great about that, though, is that because greenhouse gases are now nothing and that entire scientific principle has been discredited, now when you get in your car on a hot summer day, it will be the same temperature in your car as outside. Because there's no greenhouse effect. Well, that means, I'm just going to fry an egg in front of my house. So that horrible feeling of like getting in a hot car and a summer day, like, God, it's fucking 160. That's gone now.

Yeah, it's like, it's like slipping into, it's like slipping into a bath now. Everybody that felt that before was just imagining a liberal. That's all you were doing. Let's talk about this for a second, though. It's like, they went through this with a black pen and they just scrubbed out Trump's name and other prominent people. Like, essentially they say in this article, it's not just Trump. It's other people that they blacked out their name.

but like what are you hiding right like it's like it's there there's a very obvious thing that everyone knows yeah it's super obvious and then when you read just like when they tried to redact shit in the last administration and you're just like yeah man I think everybody knew who like perpetrator number four was yeah I know man everybody knows who these people are because they're like this prestigious it's almost like you're playing a like a game show where you're like this prestigious senator was the senator for Missouri who raised a fist at people as he was walking. You're like, okay, we know who it is. We interviewed recent president and lover of gilded toilets redacted about his thoughts.

And you're just like, fuck it. Everybody knows who it is. But they are still taking the time to redact this. Because I think eventually they are going to release something. They will release something. They've already released stuff that was already released. So they'll do it again. And I think they'll keep doing something very similar.

They'll redact anything that has any meaning. They'll release things they've already released to say they just released it. They're just going to keep doing lying shit because they're really good at lying shit. Yeah, man. Well, two things. Like one, this administration has tried to solve more problems with a Sharpie than any administration. Absolutely. Like from hurricanes to child sex predators, like a Sharpie is the tool of choice for this client.

right so and like i just want to point out to this administration because i know you're listening like i get it like you're big cogniz fan i i i hear you but like if you want to calm down conspiracy theorists releasing documents full of redactions ain't it i feel like that i can put in whatever i want there you kind of mad libs did you definitely don't want to be vague yes vague is not on your side you mad libsed it man and you gave me whatever i wanted pretty much How much for the little girl? The women. How much for the women?

What? Your women, I want to buy your women, the little girl, your daughters. Sell them to me. Sell me your children. Mayurdy? Mayurdy? This is the story's from Reuters. Jelaine Maxwell moved to prison camp.

Trump says no plea for pardon. So, two pieces here. Jelaine Maxwell was moved from the minimum security prison she was in to the most minimumist prison possible. Epstein had jail and weekends. Yeah, man, you're not wrong. Epstein had a report to jail.

He had like a nights and weekends. He had nights and weekends. He got minutes. He got miles for going to jail. They're like, yeah, we'll punch your card. Every 10th one, you get a free trip to the commissary. God, I'm glad you said trip to the commissary. It could have been so much worse, though.

It could have been so much worse. Yeah, it's so funny. Like, everything about the Epstein thing a long time ago was such a sweetheart deal. Yeah. He literally had to do nothing. He just show up, like, dance in once in a while and be like, sorry, guys, I got a business meeting. I got to take it. And then he just leave prison.

I literally leave prison. And then come back later and be like, I go so sleep here tonight. Okay. Fine. I'm going to sleep also. in a segregated space that's specifically for me and like,

yeah, he got, he, he did prison like you would do summer camp, you know, like I actually did prison even let because summer camp, you can't leave.

Your parents have to sign you went out. He was just like evidently at a work release program that usually child sex predators don't qualify for. He wrote to his center, hello mother, hello father.

He didn't have to write to his center. He didn't have to write to his center. just sits there and says, please, on my face again. Oh, yes, yes, yes. So, yeah, seriously, like, like, this is exactly very similar to what apps have to. I mean, like, Maxwell was moved to a detention facility that doesn't even have, like, barbed wire and fences and shit. It's basically like a, like a trust fall.

They call it club fed. Yeah, they do. They call it club fed. It's awesome. This is, like, it's nothing. This is nothing. It's nothing. It's nothing.

It's nothing. And like, Jelaine Maxwell, like Jeffrey Epstein, is a monstrous facilitator of child sex. Yes, absolutely. 100%. And also a person who, from the documentary I watched about her, also literally engaged physically in some of the same abuse. Some of the same things, yeah. So like, there's no lesser crime here.

Yeah. It's maybe lesser in volume in some ways. But she is absolutely a child sex predator. And those people aren't typically in the wink, wink, please stay here overnight prison. Yeah. Like, and she was already in a minimum security prison. She was already in an easygoing, simple facility. And now she's in an even easier one where she gets her choice of smoothie in the morning.

So it's, it's shitty. And it's the reason why she got that. Again, they do things right in front of your face. I know, man. They'll walk up and be like, we're going to talk to Jelaine Maxwell. well, oh, here's a list of Democrats. Oh, she's getting transferred to another place. It's literally like you could just watch it happen. It doesn't happen right in front of you, but it happens so, so close to on camera, just off camera that you're like, come on, man,

nobody knows, everybody knows what's happening. Yeah, this is the locked room version of a conspiracy theory. Like, like you were in a locked room together. It could only have happened like this. That's it. There's no conspiracy here. Clearly, she traded something. There is a conspiracy. Yeah, right. There is a, yeah.

But there's no, like, there is no argument here about some collusion. There's no secret cabal. Right. The cabal is literally right here. Yeah. This is, this is just so true. The cabal is on the court. Yeah.

Yeah. And look, you would only do this. Like, let's imagine a scenario that's perfectly innocent. Like Trump is saying he's perfectly innocent. So, dude, if I'm perfectly innocent, none of this happens. If I'm perfectly innocent and you're like... Exactly. So, like, if you're like Tom, there's a huge scandal about Tom's taxes.

And I'd be like, well, that sucks. And it's blowing up my life. And everybody's like screaming at me and knocking on my door and like, all this bad shit. I'd be like, I'll just give you my taxes. Yeah. Because I don't... Now, when I wouldn't give you my taxes, if it was cheating on my taxes. But I would release something I didn't want to release, right?

You know what I saw? What? What? Obama's long-form birth certificate. Yeah, right. You know what I saw? I saw that. Yeah.

So did everybody else. Yeah. Because he was just like, he was forced to release it. He was forced by everyone. Everyone was like, oh, you release the regular birth certificate. We want to see the long-form version of your birth certificate. Yeah.

We won't take the evidence you've already given us. We want more evidence because we think there's a conspiracy. So he did. Yep. And like that conspiracy was a racist hit job. Yeah. Manufactured. shitty conspiracy by obviously manufactured by people who didn't want him in office.

But why would you have to redact anything if everybody in there is just acting innocently? Like I said, I saw Obama's long form. Let's see these redacted. Let's see Trump's unredacted tax forms that he said, that he never released, that he said he was going to release, that he were never released, they were leaked, leaked. The good ones were leaked. The ones that showed that he was okay were leaked, but the one, we've never seen anything else other than that. And then the fact is, it's like, this guy is in, is in all these fucking documents.

Well, let me read them. Yeah. Let me see. Let me see if there's something in there that implicates him or that makes it seem like he was doing something shady. Because if he wasn't, then just fucking release it. Just release him. Like, think about it this way.

If they release the Epstein files right now, I'm not uncomfortable. Why is he? Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Full stop. Yeah. Like, I know I'm not in there.

Like, you could read you. I'd be like, yeah, I'm not in the fucking Epstein files. Well, and this other story here about the House committee issues, subpoenas for Epstein files, this is AP, and they want depositions from the Clintons. And I'm like, okay, good. Yeah, but also get them from everybody, right? Like, don't pick and choose who gets to fall under the hammer of justice, right? It's like, man, I want to see everybody who was involved in it. And if it happens to be the president, then it happens to fucking be the president.

If it's that Alice Acosta guy who gave him a sweetheart deal, I want to see that, right? I want to see that happen. if it happens to be the Clintons, who fucking cares? I know, man. Like, I'm not here to serve the fucking Clinton family. Like, I don't give a shit. If you are a fucking creep and a predator and a felon and a rapist and all, then you should go to jail.

And I don't care what your voting records says. That's not interesting to me. Literally doesn't matter at all. But they're doing this very specifically because they're like, hey, if we can drum up, all we have to do is deflect for a little while. And one of the things that this, all this thing is, while I do enjoy, that they have are constantly on their back foot

because that rarely happens it rarely happens with this administration and the previous one that he was in where they were on their back foot they were always all gas, no breaks

and they didn't give a fuck and then it was the next day there would be a brand new fresh hell that's not stopping there is still a brand new fresh hell every day but what's on everybody's

lips and minds is this Epstein thing but every other day there's a brand new thing you just brought up at the beginning of the show the EPA like you bring up

this brand new fresh hell that we're in where we're now saying that greenhouse gases don't exist or whatever and you're like and he's and in some ways he should be thankful that this is taking up the mantle of all those other things because people aren't paying attention to all

the other shit that gets that flies under the radar because it's easy to slip anything past the goalie when you're constantly paying attention to the fucking Epstein stuff yeah man I I can see it one of two ways right you could see it as if he intention

doesn't release these documents and keeps this over here, then to your point, he can do all this other politically much more important evil shit and it won't get as much attention, right? And then if he's not, so like here's a strategy that could be true, right? I'm just making shit up. But let's say that he is not anywhere in the Epstein files.

If he's not anywhere in him, it actually might be to his advantage to draw it out, do all this evil shit on the no one is going to pay as much attention to, then release the Epstein files, get clear to that, and he accomplished all that other evil ship behind it. Now, I don't think that that's the case. I actually don't think that's far too strategic. I think it's right. You're absolutely right.

I think he's too stupid to do that. But I think that he is bumbling his way into it. Yeah, right, right. But I also am watching this is hurting his polling. It really is. This is crushing him. It's crushing him. Yeah.

And that bothers him. Yeah. It genuinely bothers him. And the thing is, it bothers him. It's crushing him. And if he's innocent, it's real easy to fix. So it's weird not to fix it. And one of the things, too, is anything you can get somebody off their game on is good if they're

your opponent. Right. If you want to get them off their game in any way, that's why people like professional sports people trash talk each other so that they get the person to be mentally unwell for a moment so they can take advantage of it. That's literally, it's a tactic they use to get into your head so you doubt yourself. Like, it's fucking what they do. And it makes sense, right?

It's like, okay, well, if I can make you doubt yourself for a second, if I can make you uncomfortable, then you're not going to be on your game. You're not going to be 100%. Now, I'm not arguing that Trump is 100% of anything. Yeah, no, right. Except for 100% gigantic pulsating asshole. But like, like, if you can get him flustered, if you can get him talking about this. And you've seen he's said things already that have been like, you're like, wait, what?

Yeah, he said crazy shit. He said some crazy shit about it already. So you just keep him pushing. Like he's talking about like how Epstein comes in and steals a girl from him, a young girl from him. Oh, my God. And you're just like, dude, you know you don't have to say anything. There's a whole amendment for that. I know.

And like, it's such, it's so, so funny because in the business world, right, so in our business world, right? So in our business world, if a competitor recruits one of our employees, we will use that terminology. So we'll say, oh, you know, it's like so and so got stolen by our competitors. Right. So that's a, that's a pretty common kind of parlance in that space. You definitely don't want your competitors recruiting against you. We try really hard to recruit against our competitors. It's just, it's a strategic business thing. One, that's a weird thing to get upset about for your towel girl. That's an employee that is, I don't want to be an asshole, but that's an employee that's like imminently replaceable. It's not like a high-end employee that's got a specific skill set. It was a college for this or something. Those are people that, like, they tend to be transient employees by nature, right? So it's a low-end job. It doesn't take a lot of training or skill to have it. Those people, on their own volition, often don't stay long.

On your volition, don't stay long. You wouldn't get that upset. You just would not. You wouldn't get like, we're not friends anymore. Also, like. And you wouldn't use language like you stole my towel, girl. What? Also, like, a competitor for what?

Right. Because you're using the language of competitor. Right. It's not like Jeffrey Epstein owned. a golf course or something. That's super true, man. You know what I mean? It's not like Jeffrey Epstein owned the golf course across the street and they were vicious competitors. Jeffrey Epstein's just another

billionaire. Yeah, man. So what? What? Now? Yeah. So clearly yeah, that's a great point. And I mean like don't mind me. Let me go get my crowbar and open this up as deep as I can. I know, man. Because I'm happy to do it. Happy to see. Somebody who has used the vehicle of conspiracy for so many years to see it bite him in their ass. I'm super happy to see it.

It's wonderful. Every day. Have it happen all the time. All right. You asked for it. I'm up here because I hate my boss and I hate my job. Go on. I'm up here because I hate my boss.

numbers? And I chose a field with all numbers. Scream it. I hate my job. No, no! I hate my job! All right, this story is from the Huffington Post. Donald Trump just delivered the worst three months of job growth since the pandemic.

Man, I have heard, I don't even know at this point how many hours of news programming about the Bureau of labor statistics over the course of the last week a like I pay attention so we call it like in my industry

for my day job interest rates are an essential part of what I have to pay attention to and so jobs reports that come out

are really fucking important to me because jobs tend to drive interest rates so when we call it like jobs Friday so like when job reports come out

like that is something that is often calendared in my calendar to pay attention to. Like, oh, I know the jobs report is going to come out. That may affect interest rates like today. We may see an effect. If that happens, I may need to react to it. So it's actually a pretty big deal.

But it's like a super niche thing to be paying attention to unless you're like really in need of paying attention to the economic cycle at this point. The jobs report that just came out, they frequently get revised. Revision to jobs reports are common. not only not uncommon, they are common. They always actually get revised. And the reason that they get revised, just in case people don't already know, the reason they get revised is because the way that these reports are assembled is through surveys.

So the Bureau of Labor Statistics sends out two different kinds of surveys, household surveys and surveys to businesses. And they basically collect that data in. And then based on the data that they get in, they create a jobs report. And they say, here's what we think that the economy has done in terms of labor this month. but that number is never right because they get straggler data that comes in after the fact from other surveys

and they continue to collect that data and reanalyze it and it always amounts to some change. The rate of change is usually relatively small comparatively, but it's not always. Sometimes the job, some of these revisions show a lot more jobs added, occasionally a lot less jobs added. It kind of depends on what straggler data comes in. So all of that's fucking normal,

of business shit. Like nothing actually abnormal occurred, except for that when the jobs data came in, it's bad. It's not good. It's bad jobs data. It turns out it's not good. And so Trump's response to the bad jobs data was to fire the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, who is literally just the messenger for this data. Yeah.

This is cutting the head off the herald. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Like the Bureau of Labor Statistics head. does not collate this data, is not responsible for analyzing it, and actually intentionally does not even have access

to the systems that that data is analyzed within. Crazy. So you killed the herald, exactly. It's a headless herald. What? Why do that? Why do that? Well, and it's because you're a tantrum.

You throw tantrums all the time. And, like, we knew that. Yeah. We know he throws tantrums. I don't know how anybody stays working for this person. I don't know how anybody didn't just be immediately be like, yeah, man, I quit. Yeah, man, I quit. Fuck you, I quit. Like, I get

that there's people that love this job, right? They've, they've had careers, decades-long careers, and they love the job that they've been doing. But, like, you are employed at his whim. And he has proven that over and over and over again. The Supreme Court sides with him on these firing things. He's proven that. Yeah.

So, man, like, I just wonder when these really important people that are in our government get fired. I'm like, I wonder if they're sitting at their desk with the Pikachu face. I know, man. You're just like, dude, you knew you're going to get fired the moment you release that. But what's going to happen now is before there was

a person there was telling the truth. Now what's going to happen? Every job report's going to look fucking rosy. Yeah. Like, I am really worried that this is like a really Rubicon crossing line in reality control.

the Trump administration has been doing reality control for a long time, right? Alternative facts. Alternative facts. Second week, he was in office. And I think, yeah, the first time. And I really do worry about this one a lot because jobs matter more in many cases than inflation data than a lot of other economic data. Jobs are a really important piece of data. If you can put somebody in that role and then empower them to lie.

about that data. It would be hard actually to do. They put a new Bureau of Labor Statistics had in there. Again, they don't have access to the analyzing. They don't have access. In fact, to the systems. But let's say they just lied about it. Let's say they get access. They're given access. They are given control. They're told what to report, that kind of thing. That would be such a big deal because it would undermine the transparency fundamentally that we rely on to make major economic decisions as a country. And we won't believe it. And the international community won't believe it.

And like Argentina did this. And Argentina's economy collapsed. They centralized control of their economic systems and their economic reporting systems. And even as their economy faded and collapsed and inflation ran out of control, they kept reporting rosy shit. And the entire international community was like,

well, guess what we're not putting our money? we're not going to invest in Argentina. Yeah. That's a real thing that could happen. Yeah, that's a super big, that's a danger. And everybody knows that. Everybody knows that. So they're talking about, and I'll stop in a second, but like they're talking about,

you know, what's going to happen when the Fed is forced to cut rates here pretty soon. So they are going to get their arm twisted. They're going to have to cut rates. This data actually probably makes that a pretty reasonable thing to think about doing, right? But I just want to set this up, that it is entirely plausible that the Fed will cut rates and you, as a consumer, won't see any of your rates change. It won't change at all for you. It won't change because if

there is not good certainty domestically and internationally among investors that the U.S. Treasury bond is a safe investment, they can change that rate. It may or may not change. It may or may not change.

You could see trying to hide some of this, but the hiding will create its own problems. It's a fucking disaster. Well, and we've seen Trump has a great track record for running things into the ground. Yeah. So don't think that the American government is above that, right? He has run everything he's ever owned into the ground because he's a petulant, childish, stupid, ophish person.

Yeah. That's what he is. He's never been anything other than that. Nobody who, anybody who tells you, oh, he's a businessman, they don't know what they're talking about. he's a he's he's not even a businessman in the sense that like chicken soup for the soul is a good book you know what I mean like he's not even that right he's not even like the chicken soup of the soul type businessman he's a bad business man so bad so bad he had to have somebody write a like ghost write a book for him about business that is literally just like rancid platitudes

it's so yeah that's all the deal it's nothing it's literally not horrible so so so Trust that Donald Trump is bad at this and he doesn't care how bad he is because he's never in his life felt a sting from failure. Not a single time in his life. The only time he's ever felt any sting whatsoever is when he lost that last election.

The rest of the time didn't matter because he never cared before if he won any kind of nomination when he ran in the past. Right. He only cared when he lost the presidency and that stung the shit out of him. So understand that any sting he feels,

it's negligible compared to what you're going to feel because he's angry. Do you think he's so bad at economics because he got his degree from Trump University which went bankrupt? He's like a fucking D student at Wharton or whatever. Yeah, that's where he was like. They were like, yeah, man, he wasn't fucking smart.

Right, no, yeah. He got, he probably got his way bought into Wharton. Yeah, bought in. You know, and then he like fucked around and then had heels. And now we're finding out. Yeah. Now we're all finding it.

Exactly right. wait a minute I have an idea maybe if you tell me the bad news in a good way it won't sound so bad to you the bad news in a good way

yes yes I can do that bad news in a good way yeah well here goes oh ha ha ha wait till you hear this this story is from CBS News Smithsonian says

Trump impeachment will be restored to exhibit it. I thought this was great. This is interesting because last week, big story came out. They took down. And everyone, even the Washington Post is like they took it down. And everybody put together this pin, pin, string, string. And they said it was clearly the administration forced them to take it down. Obviously, that's what happened. And that's what happens when you don't have all the information. And I'm going to lean back on the first story, Epstein stuff, that the more we look at stuff, and the more we pay attention to stuff, the more we start to see nefarious things in that,

and the same thing happens here. It's like, they took it down because it wasn't up to their standards, and they're going to make a better one. They're like, we're going to do, we had this plaque, it was in the corner, it wasn't up to our standards as the Smithsonian. So we took it down so we could replace it with a much better plaque that is up to our standards. Great, right? But when people saw it was gone, they immediately presumed that the administration forced him to take it down. This is one of the moments where the administration wasn't in involved, but it's one of those things that if you're paying attention to all the ripples in the water, this one seems like a really nefarious one. It does. And like to give, I don't know,

to give sort of empathy to that thought process, the Trump administration has already leaned on the Smithsonian. Sure. Absolutely. Yes. So the Trump administration, we know they lean on universities. They've leaned on the Smithsonian. They lean on like the Center for Performing Arts. they lean on institutions that have historically lived entirely outside of presidential involvement. You're not wrong. So when I first, I was like, oh, yeah, I immediately was like, well, yeah, I'm sure there was some,

you know, someone called it. Yeah. Well, yeah, you read the story and it's like, yeah, we had a placard, and the placard actually was kind of blocking some other stuff, and it really wasn't as good as we wanted to be, and so we're going to make it good and then reinstall it. What I'm actually curious to see and would not surprise me, it was just fucking Tom making a prediction.

is now that this is in the news cycle, I wonder if Trump will seize on this as another distraction point. Oh, that's interesting, yeah. So it wasn't a thing before, it doesn't seem like. But now I actually think that, like, this could become a thing because another distraction point.

You know, just like Trump, I just saw something that, like, Trump is going to put some fucking Confederate statues back up. And it's like, yeah, like, of course he is. Because that's going to fire people up and distract some energy. Absolutely. Whatever pulls energy, right? And he doesn't care.

care if it's negative. He has never cared that his press is negative. He wants the press. So he wants to be in the news every day. He wants that every single day, the New York Times, he opens it up. He wants his picture to be there. He doesn't care of it's good or bad. Right. He isn't care of it's, now I think he's starting, it's starting to wear on him that this Epstein stuff is the thing that's the top. He wants it to be the statue. He wants it to be, I'm making the Democrats angry for you base. Want to be the commanders. That's what he wants it to be. He wants it to be him making some sort of thing newsworthy because of him. Right.

And so I think there is, that is very true that, like, Trump doesn't give a shit and he will go out of his way to fucking, like, muddy all the water in any way he can. And I don't think even, to be really honest, I don't even think he cares about any of the policies he's enacting. Like anything that he's doing, I don't think he gives a shit about any of these things. The only thing you think he really cares about is the economy. And he's bad at it, right? Tariffs and, like, you know,

threatening the Fed chair, firing the labor statistics person. Like, he's bad. He's not good at it. But I think that's something that he cares about. But the rest of the stuff that everybody else

is sort of convincing him to do, he's totally on board with. I would not put it past Stephen Miller to be the face and the ideas behind everything immigration. I don't think Trump has any ideas when it comes to that.

What he does is he sits and he listens into a room and the person's like, hey, man, we should fucking throw everybody out. And he's like, whatever, man. Yeah, I get, the feeling that Trump is

a racist and no centric as fuck and xenophobic I know don't disagree so I think he's super sympathetic to those policies because he's like yeah

of course we don't want the Browns here you know like who gives like so I think he's an easy guy to convince of real bad ideas because he starts off

yeah super sympathetic because he's a he's a fucking embittered small minded angry white guy yeah if you listen to me in the first place we'd all save lots of time

All right, this story is from the Hill. After only six months, Project 2025 is already 47% complete. Wow. Well, don't pay attention to Project 2025. This is nothing. They're not going to do it. Why are you guys so worried about it? Half done.

And then they, in this opinion piece, they're listing, they're like, yeah. And like, also in the pipeline is more of it. So it's not that it's only 47% complete. It's like, expect it to be 75% complete. by the end of the year. Yeah, and it's a huge, huge amount of, if you're the worst, this is a series of fucking victory laps

after victory lap after victory lap. It's Christian Sharia is what it is. It is. And we've got to do a little bit of this. Before the election, we spent a lot of time reading Project 2025 for our audience. Sure.

We read it to our audience to some degree. Yeah. We had shows about it. We did a fundraiser where we used Project 2025 as the basis for it. there were good, smart people on many sides of journalism, even right-leaning journalists who were saying, hey, this is something that they are working on, they care about, these are all the people involved, here's the level at which they are involved,

here are this web of connections, this is a real blueprint. And there was an enormous amount of, I think, self-motivated pushback to say, because I don't want that to be true. They're saying it's not true. It's not true. And I think a lot of people said, I'm not going to worry about that. I'm, you know, that's just, that's just not.

And it's fucking happening. Yeah. A lot of people were convinced by Trump's populist message about, you know, tax breaks for overtime and, you know, the other things that he was bringing up, the no tax on tips stuff that he was bringing up. And they were convinced by that message.

was other people who were convinced by his other message about, you know, because fear and crime is one of those things that everybody's always afraid of. So when he brings up crime as an immigrant problem, people were behind it. There was a lot of things that people were thinking like, okay, well, you know, this message, this nationalist message that's pretty shitty, is still better than what I, you know, envision what would happen under Harris, right? And so they voted for him. And there's a ton of leopards eating faces now because they're all like, hey, wait a minute, we didn't vote for this particular thing. I didn't vote

for this. I didn't vote to lose my Medicare. I didn't vote to lose all these other things. And you're finding that that's happening more and more and more. And a lot of those people hand waved away, Project 2025, whenever it was brought up and you could see posts today

dated from before that were like, I don't give a shit about Project 2025. I just don't want to pay tax on tips. It's like, well, okay, well, now you're going to have to deal with Project 2025. And in Project 2025, one of the things they want to do is try to get away from overtime altogether. So, sure, do you pay tax on overtime? No. But do you get overtime? No, you'll never get it again. And so there's a real systemic push by the Christian right to turn our country into a Christian theocracy. And we showed it in the documents

over and over and over again. And the things that they've tried to do and the things that are on the docket are all Christian theocracy stuff. Yeah, you know, I got to take a minute and like remind people that in the early to mid-70s in Tehran, women were able to attend university and wear a miniskirt. And within a handful of months, that entire society flipped over on its head. Societies that exist one way today do not have to exist that way in four years.

And it is important to remember that, like, what is broken cannot always be fixed. Yeah. And what has changed cannot always be changed back. And we're in a position where right now we are going through and systematically disenfranchising and disempowering most, most, by the numbers, most of the people in this country. The majority of them. We are disenfranchising. And that power collects somewhere else.

Right. So when you take power from someone, you are putting that power somewhere else. Great point. We are collecting power. We're collecting power in terms of political consolidation. We're collecting power in terms of economic consolidation. We're collecting power in terms of corporate consolidations. We are driving power into a smaller and smaller cadre of people.

That's an oligarchy. I just described to you an oligarchy. We are building that in earnest. In earnest, we are building it. And we are building, as you pointed out, a religious, backed, religiously motivated economic and political and social oligarchy.

This is a new thing. It's not a good thing. This was fucking predictable, though. And that's the part, like, I do have to do this for just a second. But there were a lot of people who were like, yeah, you know, nothing's different between the left and the right.

The Democrats are just, they're so centrist that there's no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. It doesn't matter if you vote. It doesn't matter who you vote for. Nothing's going to be the way I want it. So why should I do anything? You cannot look yourself in the mirror and say that the world that we are building now

would be as bad if Harris were in charge. You can't. That's an impossibility. If you do that, you're lying. You're just lying. Well, these things have repercussions. We have to be pragmatic about them. Sure.

Yeah. And I mean, like, if you think about it, everything under Harris, it would either be better or it would be the same. Right. Right. It's either better or the same. And when I think about it, I think about, very specifically think about Gaza. Yeah.

Right. Gaza has been a horror. Night for what? Three years? Is it three years now? I think it is. Yeah. I mean, like, it's been an absolute horror.

They're starving people to death there. Yeah. They are systemically killing people in Gaza through starvation. Yeah. Right. That is happening. That's a literal thing that's happening right now. I don't know what you call that, right, other than genocide.

I don't know what you call. I don't know what the word is that you would use that is other than that, right? And we've been calling it that for two and a half years, right? But here's the thing. The people who are complaining about Gaza and talking about Gaza and calling Joe Biden, Genocide Joe, because he was contributing arms and stuff and not pushing for a ceasefire, et cetera, et cetera, with Gaza. I haven't seen any genocide, Donnie.

Yeah, I know. I haven't seen any of that. I haven't seen any of that happen. Where's that energy? And I haven't seen that energy pushed against him. And the worst part about this, the thing that's the most horrible is we've created such a shithole here in the last eight months that now our Gaza news isn't in front of you. It's not on the front page. The protests stop being about Gaza.

and started being about anti-Trump, right? If I go down to a protest before that was very Palestinian-focused in Chicago, it would be Palestinian-focused during the Biden administration. It is no longer Palestinian-focused. It is now anti-Trump focused. And occasionally there might be a speaker there that speaks about Palestinian issues. So you've essentially taken a issue that maybe could have been fixed. saying it could have been. I'm not, I'm not arguing that there's, that there is deep, deep differences

between the parties when it comes to Israel, because I don't think there is. I think they are very much on the same plane. But at least you could have had more and more and more and more people's eyes on it. And you can't have that now. Well, and I would argue that, like, first of all, I agree that fundamentally, both the left and the right, the Democrats and the Republicans, I should say, both are fundamentally aligned with Israel in ways that make it difficult or impossible for them to stop backing Israel. Sure. I would, however, argue that the right will not listen to criticism at all.

And the left may have been. Might, might have been, right? And I'm not saying that they were. I'm just saying that they might have been. We know that they might have been. We know for sure that the right is not. Like Trump's solution to this is to displace all the gossans and turn it into a fucking boardwalk. Well, and what did he do to people here who protested?

He went after those colleges. He deported people who were part of those protests. Right. I didn't see Joe Biden doing that while he was in power. No, right. So there is an obvious use of executive power against people who use that as a form of protest. So we're seeing that there's already something worse. Yep. Yeah. And again, you know, you cannot, you cannot, you can't comfort yourself at night with the idea that you are, you've taught the Democrats a lesson.

That is a crazy thing to do because it assumes that we can fix it, that we'll have a chance to fix it, that if we teach him a lesson, that the Democrats will shift left and that we'll fix the problem, we'll be able to resolve this. How are you going to resolve somebody who starved to death? How do you resolve that? How do you resolve, you know, if Texas decides that they want to have five more congressional seats and now we just never get the House of Representatives again? How do you resolve that? There are issues that we don't get takes these backsies on. So it matters.

Like you can't just say like, well, we'll fuck over the Democrats because they're not responsive to our needs. I get that. We'll fuck them over. And then they'll become responsive to our needs. and then we'll have democracy again. That's not how it works. It's not how it works.

They're trying to make it so you don't have democracy anymore. So you don't get a do-over. You don't get a do-over. It's not how any of that is going to work. So we've got four years of this. We might have an opportunity in 26 to put our foot on the break of some of this. We might not even have that opportunity. They might just cheat the system and break the system in such a way that like,

And again, all very predictable. None of this was not predictable. All of this, they wrote it down. Yeah. So that's the part that makes me crazy. It's like they fucking wrote it down. They said, this is what we're going to do. And now they're doing it.

And we're like, oh, but I didn't think. Pikachu face. Yeah, I can't. Somebody tells you who they are, believe him. Yeah, man. Cover your ears, boys. You're killing me. You're cheating, game fixing.

Son of a bitch. So it wasn't even that bad, Uncle Pete. Yeah, it's Sunday. I left some shit out. This story is from the Texas Tribune. Texas House issues arrest warrants for Democrats who left the state to block congressional redistricting. So they're supposed to do redistricting only typically every 10 years after a census. So that's why we do is that's one of the reasons that we do a national census.

You do a census and then after the census, you figure out where people are and how many there are and you figure out all this stuff. And then they typically are allowed to do redistricting. Trump basically said, hey, Texas, if you redistricting, and you gerrymander this properly, we'll get five more house seats. And with the house as competitive as it has been, five more seats is a fucking lock. It's essentially

trying to climb Everest without fucking air. We're never going to do it. You'll never do it again. It's hercule. The Senate's already fucked. Right. You're already fucked on the Senate side. Now you're going to fuck the house. Because there's more red states than blue states. There's more chance that a red senator would get elected

here in Illinois than anywhere else or in New York, et cetera. Like these places where there's lots and lots and lots of people might choose a Republican, they probably wouldn't choose a Democrat. They're certainly not going to have a Democratic senator in Arkansas. Right. Yeah. It doesn't do the other way. It doesn't do the other way. So the Senate's already fucked. You're already clawing and trying to grab at Senate seats as much as possible. You have a fracturing on the left, which basically causes, you know, people to become independence and wishy-washy in a lot of ways. And so you're in a situation now where it's like, okay, well, we won't

have either house, and you're not going to have the presidency, and you certainly don't have the Supreme Court. So essentially, you're going to get fucked forever. Yeah, man. They're trying to be it. The thing is, is that they had everybody. They had everybody before because all they did was have a populist message, but they didn't care about that stuff. Yeah. They never cared about you, man. They ran on it, but they didn't give a fuck about you. And so now that they're in there, they're like, well, they're going to find out we don't give a fuck about them. So we better, we better fix the system so that they don't have a choice next time. Yeah. This is literally, saying out loud, let's cheat.

Yeah. And that's what they're going to do. Governor Abbott was like, cool, that's what the president wants us to do. Let me make sure that he comes right down the back of my throat and then I'll get right on it. And that's what's happening. Democrats, in order to prevent a quorum, they left. They fled. Now, they're getting fined $500 a day. There are warrants, there's civil warrants out for their arrest to bring them back.

You can't do this. Like, you can't, this is not a long-term strategy. this is a pause and hope moment. That's all this is. They can't stay out of Texas forever. That's not a thing. At some point, too, I actually think the president will get involved

and force them back. He might even use the U.S. Marshals. He said the FBI already. He's already said it. So, like, they've questioned about it. He hasn't ruled out that he will send the FBI after them. Yeah.

So this is not a strategy. It's not a solution. It's not a solution. Yeah. It's not a solution. And it's going to show what it's going to do is it's going to peel one, layer back from our authoritarian government system.

That's what it's going to do. And it's doing it. We're seeing more and more of it all the time. You're seeing it every day. There's a brand new glimpse. Yeah, man. And if you are trying to take comfort, by the way, in like, well, the California will do it.

And then they, like, they, like, I've read so much analysis of this. And like, again, it could be wrong. The analysis I've read could be wrong. But there are more opportunities to cheat for the Republicans and many less for the Democrats. And the Democrats, like California, for example, They can't even do this without putting this as a ballot. It has to be a ballot measure.

So he said he'd have to do a special election. Newsom's like, I'll have to call a special election for it. And then the ability, it's not like, not like they can pick up five in Texas and then they can pick up six in California. So you better not do it. It's not how it works. There are more available seats through gerrymandering by most analyses on the right. Sure.

Then there would be on the left. Sure. Because it's easier, it's way easier to take a large chunk of uninhabited land. then it is a small piece of the, you know, the densely populated area. And so it just makes sense that it's easier to do it on the Republican side because fucking cows get a vote in our country. I know, I know. Well, as we're practicing interviews here, why are you the way you are?

Money a damn business, that's why. CBS News, Florida officials warn about the risks of drinking raw milk after 21 people were sicken. Jesus fucking Christ, dude. Can you think of anything grosser than raw milk? Dude, no. It's fucking sounds so nasty. Look, I'm a person, and you can fucking send me your hate mail. I can't imagine as an adult drinking a glass of milk.

I tried a glass of milk a few years ago, because I know people still drink milk as adults. I know it's common. I'm not shitting on that. I'm not yucking your yum. But personally, I was like, I think I was having cookies. I dunk some cookies. I finished.

I had milk. And I was like, I'll just drink the milk. And I was like, nope, that's not for me. that's just, it's too much for me. It's a little overwhelmed. I stopped drinking cow's milk a couple years ago. I still have butter in my house. Sure.

I still on occasion, we'll buy heavy cream. But for the most part, if I'm cooking anything, I'm using oat milk. Oh, really? Yeah. I like, so I just drink oat milk. If you were to put them next to each other, be like, I'd rather have the oat milk. Okay. It just, like, tastes better.

Does it cook just as well? It does. I mean, like, there's certain stuff that it does not as good for, but it's still pretty solid. So it's like, I mean, like, I'll just take it. I'm like, yeah, I'll take it. If I'm making like a fucking cream soup or something like that, I might go out and buy. And especially if I'm making something that very specifically calls for milk, like actual milk, I'll buy it. But I don't keep it in my house.

Like I used to keep it in my house like growing up my whole life, we kept it in our house. But then after a while, once we started getting better and better alternatives, I'm like, oh, okay, well, I guess we'll do this. And like you, I don't care if people, like drink whatever you want. I literally don't care. I personally like oat milk as a glass of something over, you know, you know, you know, know, cow's milk, but I couldn't imagine just latching my mouth on a fucking cow teat and chugging away. No, no. Seriously, like what on earth is happening in your life where you're just like, no, you know the things that we do? And this is, this is exactly mirrors the vaccination thing.

Yep. We have safe food in our country, food that is perfectly safe, that is checked all the time. And I know people will send me messages to me. be like, well, you know, pesticides or this and that or whatever. But I'm just saying, like, talking about very specifically with milk, they run it through pasteurization process. We know that works. We know it doesn't degrade it that much. It makes it stop tasting like fucking grass, which is great.

And then you get to drink it, and it's not got any pathogens in it. It's a fucking great process. Really awesome. It also helps it stay together because they homogenize it at the same time. So you're like, oh, that's pretty great. That's a pretty solid thing. Instead, it's been so successful for so long. We're at this position now.

We're just like, what if I was to go over and suck on that teeth, though? You're like, yeah, man, he probably shouldn't. I'm going to do it. And then you're like, yeah, you're sick now. Yeah, man. Oh, he got sick. Oh, this other person got sick. Oh, you're feeding it to your kids.

I always think, too, Tom, whenever I hear these stories and people like young kids get sick, I think that should be a negligent charge. If you're a crazy person and you have your child, and you want to be a crazy adult and get sick and fucking shit and puke for like three straight days like the fucking fountain of fucking youth you'd go ahead and do it right

if you want to pull yourself through misery awesome but if you fuck your kid up through food poisoning because you're stupid that's a fucking yeah CPS should be called dude 100% or like if I go to your house and you serve me a food and you intentionally bought raw milk

and you didn't cook it you didn't tell me right and you didn't tell me you made ice cream with it or something and like I ate your fucking homemade ice cream

and got sick and shoot her after shooter of milk like you know think about how gross like people who are drinking

raw milk imagine for a second a dairy farm a dairy farm cows just shit where they're standing they don't they don't toddle off

to the fucking loo right they don't take a dump in the point they just shit where they stand and they eat eight feet away

from that and they shit And then somebody, because of the milking machines come out. Like, we need to decontaminate this. This is not a clean process. All we're saying is, let's not eat shit. Seems like a pretty reasonable thing. Let's not eat shit and pathogens.

And instead, people are like, well, you're ruining all the good state, taking out all the good stuff. What good stuff? Yeah. I've heard the same fucking dipshits. I've heard people like, well, you know, I like to drink the, I like my milk the same way as the Amish. If it's good enough for the Amish, you know, all they do, they get their milk, they scald it a little. And it's like, that's pasteurizing. You realize that they're pasteurizing it's stupid.

That's the same thing. It's heat pasteurization, you stupid, stupid person. Okay, here's what I'll say. If you're going to eat drink raw milk, go to the nearest dairy farm, take your pasta bowl and aes. Yeah, man. Pour it on the ground and then eat it off the ground. Delish. Eat all your food.

In fact, everything you eat, you should walk out into your yard wherever you are. Yep. You know what? Go to a busy place, a busy street, and dump it on the sidewalk and eat it off the sidewalk. Would you do that? Yeah. Would you do that? Of course you wouldn't do that, you stupid, stupid person.

You just want to grab these people by the lapel and be like, you're so stupid. You're so stupid. What is wrong with you? I almost said as an analogy that, like, we wouldn't do this with water. But then I remember all the raw water stories we've covered. Where people were like, I drank me a sewage. We covered the one story at time it was made. a year ago where people are just like, yeah, there's a magic fountain in the middle of the fucking,

and they're like, yeah, it's all field runoff. And these people are like, nope, it's magic water. It's magically delicious. Magic water, Tom. Yep, yep, yep. I know. People are like driving with like jugs from miles away. And then when they ask them, like, where do you think this water comes?

We're like, I don't know, a secret spring hidden deep within the earth full of fairies. I want to put out a plea right now to the person running the simulation, get me out of here. I will take whatever red or blue pill you give me. Just get me out of the simulation. I know, man. I just, I'm so, I'm just so blown away.

The world is so different than I thought it was. I thought, I thought people would be like, yeah, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to just drink a random faucet's water in the middle of the fucking ditch in the side of the road. I'm not going to,

and it wasn't even a faucet. It's just like a hose or a pipe. It's just like a pipe that shit. out water. Just, I can't imagine. That's a random water pipe. Growing up, didn't you think there was like adults in charge

and that wouldn't happen? Oh, yeah. I was thought that. I thought, well, there's a people, like normal people don't do that. Like crazy, like a little kid might do that because they're stupid. Yeah, but like,

that's why your parents go around telling you not to do things because it's unsafe. Yeah. And so you build up this impression that adults know what's unsafe and try to get you to not do that. And then you discover

there's a raw milk movement that the fucking health and human services guy is a part of. And you're like, oh, the adults are long since abdicated their responsibility. That's it. Every day he walks in with a giant warm glass of milk and he's

dipping like a cow turd in it like a tea bag. It's dunkeroo's drinking away. Wait, I have something to say. Go on. You have my attention, but keep it short. This is about more than caffeinated brown liquid. This is about our children and our grandchildren. This is nonsense.

I have two divorces and a bankruptcy after this. The world barista championship must represent all milks, including almond and soy, to the world of coffee. Stories from BBC.com, woman who refused chemo and died had coffee enemas. And her mom was like a nurse. Yeah. And the nurse was kicked out because they didn't follow COVID protocols. And then they listened to somebody who they trusted. And they died.

Die. And that, man, this isn't a unique story. It's why you bring it up. is because it's not a unique story. It's not a unique story that, like, people in positions who we think should be knowledgeable are not always knowledgeable, and often motivated by other means

to use that qualification as a weapon. Yep. To use it as a way to say, I'm a person who you should trust, and I don't think the establishment is correct on this. Yep. Yeah, I got to say, though, this lady five coffee enema's a lot that's a lot and i was like god after the first three i just

don't want anymore you know i'm just like ah i'm five can you imagine how fucking jazzed up you would be five because you get a lot of it you absorb a tremendous amount of shit from a coffee enemy like it sounds it sounds like first off coffee makes you go right so aren't you like i mean like this is like seriously like that's like it's like intravenous olestra like what are you doing in your body i cannot have you ever had so much coffee in a day that you're like i overdid it and i'm uncomfortable no no so i don't think so i you know back when i used to i did stop myself from drinking coffee because there was a day that i noticed that for like a couple of days because i wasn't getting a lot of sleep. I noticed for a couple of days in a row, I was getting double shot

like espresso drinks from the thing a couple times a day. And I was like, I'm doing too much. I got to quit coffee. So there was like, my brain was like, that's too much. So I have done it. Right. But I didn't. There wasn't like a feeling like my body was like, I'm going to do something. I got a problem. You got a problem. I got a problem. I love coffee. Sure. Like I just want coffee, especially iced coffee especially cold brew coffee I should say I love it if it was not insane

I would drink it like as my drink of choice throughout the course of my day and like I know I could have decaf but I don't but like I have had so much coffee that I was like oh my blood pressure is so high my vision's a little blurry Jesus fucking Christ's up

yeah do you smoke the beans like what is happening well I'll tell you what I don't do I don't shove it up my ass could you imagine if you did though I, that's what I'm saying. Like, Tom just got a stadium buddy shoved up. We're shooting it up there. I'm just like, I'm working at Starbucks and I've got to shove just,

he's got one of those hats, you know those hats where they have the thing on the side, except for the tube goes down, right up your ass. It goes right down into your pants. You're like, where does that tube go? You don't want to know. Don't ask questions you don't want. Because on this side, I have on pasteurized milk. I'll say, you know, I'll make a, I'll make a latte.

of unpasteurized milk and coffee and shoot it up there. The thing is, though, if you made the latte, you would at least paste it because you would heat that. I don't know that you would heat it enough. You probably wouldn't heat it enough to the level because I think you get it up to like one.

I just have a cafe conlachette, you know. All of the cold brew. Cold brew, a little bit of cream. I'm cold brewing something right now. All right, that's going to wrap it up for this week. We'll have a funny show on Thursday for you, but we're going to leave you like we always do with the skeptics creed. Credulity is not a virtue.

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