Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 872: Bondi Hearing and Fake Protest Videos

Episode Date: October 13, 2025

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it's political and there is no welcome at. Today is Thursday, let's see October the 9th, Cecil and so far we still are saying we have a democracy so that's good. Yeah, I mean

out loud we have one. You can say whatever you want though, Tom. I mean, we can even have alternative facts on whether or not we have a democracy. I mean, that's a thing. We haven't had a coronation formally, I guess, is the victory that I've got now. That's That's all we've got.

We are in a shutdown, though, Cecil. We are in a shutdown. I think we were in a shutdown last time we recorded. We are still in a shutdown. It doesn't look like this is one of those ones like when Trump was in office before the government was closed for like five weeks. This feels very similar where there just doesn't feel like there's any push on either side to really do anything about it. No, I've read and listened to a whole bunch of stuff about this. And like what everybody keeps saying is that there's not a good off ramp for this.

there's a there's a really this is one of those instances where you know trying to find an off ramp once this has gone down this road is going to be very difficult my prediction which is nothing and you should ignore it my prediction is that they will break the filibuster

that's what I predict will happen I think that the Republicans will go nuclear they'll break the filibuster and they'll pass this with a simple majority that's what I think is going to happen and they're just going to say fuck you well that would be interesting

gloves and that yeah i think that'll be interesting yeah yeah well and then the worst part about the breaking of the filibuster tom is that you weren't the first one to do it right because if you're the first one to do it then you fucking just do what you got to do right right but if you're if you're the second one to do it now you're fucked because they're probably there might not even be a chance for you to be the second one to do it right so here's a question for people that are smarter than me and if you're smarter than me and you are if you're listening to this show chances are you right so yeah i would actually like an email on this could you break the filibuster pass all your shit with a simple majority and then at the end pass a law like a law that says

going forward everything's got to be 60 votes so fucking so you formalize the filibuster with legislation at the end so you just fucking do everything you want to do and then you drop your nuts right in their mouth. God damn it. That would be so, I mean, it'd be amazing if one side did it. It'd be a fucking horror. Right. Because like right now it's all procedural, but I don't think there's anything that means you can't pass a law that makes it. Right? So like I was thinking like if the Democrat, maybe the Democrats when they had like the ghost of power passed, like maybe what they should have done is shaking their fucking Marley chains, broke in the filibuster, done everything that they wanted to do. Then, with a simple majority, passed a law that says no more simple

majorities by law, bitches. Oh, man. Yeah. And that's a fucking crotch shop, right? Yeah. What that is, is, like, fucking thrown an egg at your brother and hiding behind mom. Like, that's what we should have done that. Right? Because, like, that's what I'm afraid they're going to do. Right? I'm like, I'm not that smart. And I was like, why not do it this way? is though they don't need to do that though right like they don't need to do that one i think i think in a lot of ways this shutdown helps them in uh it's it's better it's good for them too it's not like it's bad for them i think that we're going to cover a bunch of stories today about executive overreach and they don't like they don't give a shit they will they will continue to overreach time and time

and time again and continue to extend that overreach to see how far they can push it and we're We're going to talk about it today, and we're going to talk about it on Thursday when we cover the protests, because we're going to do a whole long form on the protests. So there's like, there is consistent overreach just to see where they can go. They are, there are the kids in the back seat putting their hands on your side so that you can tell. And then they say, well, I wasn't actually doing that. Or if dad doesn't care, then they just continue to like wet will you the rest of the ride. And we just got to get wet willy to be like, yeah, I like that. that's fun. That's great. Thanks, man. Yeah. Oh, God. Hey, just real quick, funny personal story.

When you were a kid, you had two brothers. Yeah. When you were a kid, was it a fucking like free for all WWE wrestling event in the backseat of the car when you were growing up? Like on a road trip? I don't remember doing that. We didn't do a lot of road trips, but I also remember not really fucking around in the car. My dad was a professional driver. So if you fucked around in the car, my dad would flip his shit. So like, that would not be a thing that you would do in the car. Although we kicked the shit out of each other every other moment of the day. So, you know, I just don't remember it specifically in the car. No, what about you? I remember my brother, who's, my brother's a year older than I am, so we're basically the same age. You know what I mean? So, like, so, like,

we're peers. And my dad went in, like, to a store to get something. And this was the past. So, like, you just, when your parents in the past left you, they just left you in the car. You were three years old. It doesn't matter. They gave you the keys. They, they press the cigarette lighter in for you. don't smoke all my siggies while I'm gone you'll leave a few for me kids so like my dad went to the store and he left us in the car

and so my brother and I started fighting immediately in the backseat of the fucking car minivan whatever it was I don't remember and I took the middle seatbelt so like back in the day the middle seatbelt was just like like a mace right so it was just like a long strap

of indestructible cloth with a buckle of you that's a flail Tom But anyway, go ahead. A flare, okay. Thank you. A flail. And, dude, I took that buckle and I was like,

who shut the fuck up. Do you fucking beat your brother with the buckle? Did you waterboard him afterwards? Like, what the fuck, man? I hit him in the head with that fucking thing. And it, like, cut his head. And if you've ever gotten a head wound of any kind, they bleed like it's fucking carry.

Oh, no, bro. So immediately, neither one of us are mad at each other anymore. Now we know we're in trouble with dad, right? I don't know if this was your experience growing up too. You're bleeding all over here. It's your fault. So Bob is just fucking covered in blood, but he's not mad at me. I'm not mad at him anymore.

We're both just like panicking. Like, what do we do? Meanwhile, I was fucking head, it's like a gushers, you know? Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, my poor dad, I can't imagine this now as a parent. Walking out and just has like his gallon of milk or whatever. And it comes out and it's a murder scene.

He opens the door and it's the fucking end of Carrie. It's just like fucking blood pouring everywhere. Oh, God. And, like, we're just, like, panicked trying to pretend, like, well, clean the seat stand. The back seat of that van was blood-stained until he sold that van. That's fucking amazing. All the time. It was fucking WWE, dude.

It was off the top belt, like a rope or whatever. It's like that. It's like the elevator scene and it's shining. He opens the door of the fucking blood is just pouring out. I want to tell a quick story before we move on to the actual. stories. Last Thursday, we did a funny show, but we talked about a scam, right? So we're like, oh, there's a scam that's going around that people are calling and they're doing this thing from a bank. I was working on the edit for that particular show and my phone rang from the same

area code as my phone. So I answered it. And it looked like a regular number. So I answered it. and the person said, hi, this is so-and-so at Chase Bank. This calls being monitored for quality assurance. I am calling about the Zell account attached to and he reads my number, and he says, there's two transactions, one to Tanika something. I remember Tanika was the name, but then he said another name afterwards,

one for 800 and some, one for this other. We flagged these as fraud, and we just wanted to verify that these are real charges are not real charges. I said, do you know the name of the account that this is attached to is what I had asked him? Because I knew it was a scam immediately. Like I knew that they were, I was literally getting scammed with the thing that they scared. I just talked about. And I said, do you know the name of the account that this is attached to? And he said, of course I do, sir. And I said, well, then what is it? And I heard, beep, beep, beep. And he fucking hung up on me. What I love is that he

was like, yes. Yes. If you have no follow-up questions, we will now proceed. I'm sorry, this is 9-1-2. It's like that old Simpsons, it's like, hello, my name is Mr. Burns. Okay, and your first name, I don't know. Mr. Yeah, man, as soon as I said, what account, what's the name in the account, he hung up,

but I knew immediately that this was one of those scams that they were trying to scam me. and it's it does they do a good job i mean it's not perfect but they do a pretty good job of making you think that it's one of them that's making this call and from what the scam says is that if i would have said no i don't think those charges they would have had me write down a long confirmation number and then they would have hooked me up with another person who i then would have to read that confirmation back to so that they would know and then they would say i'm calling it up on the computer. So they make it sound really, you know, like it is a real thing. Like it's actually happening to you. They're using a lot of the same language and the same motions that these banks

would do. And so one of the best ways to make sure is what Tom had said last time, which is, hey, thanks for calling me. I'll call you guys right back. Since this is clearly a problem with my account, I'll call you on your phone. And that's a great way to thwart them because you're calling directly, literally the bank that is supposedly calling you. And then, you know, another way is just ask them what the name is because they don't know the fucking name on the account. They would, everybody, just like when you get a spam email, they know who you are because they send you, hello, Mr. Cecil, and then they will tell you your full name and then they'll

tell your account when they contact you. If it's just like, dear Verizon customer, that's not a real email. Yeah, right. Somebody just has your account. Or if they announce and they say, dear, dissonance pod at gmail.com, that's not a real account. It's not a real. It's that you have to have a name on that if you're paying money for stuff and they know that name.

So just there's a couple of ways to get around it. But I just thought it was really funny that I got fucking, I literally got the same fucking call. That's fucking great, man. While I was editing. It was amazing. I have a dumb question, but like, is it not technologically possible or practical for some reason to pass anti-number spoofing laws? Right? Yeah, they should.

They should, man. I don't know how they. this works, but it seems to me like this is a technology we don't need, right? Like, this is just a, this is more scammy benefits than any other benefit. Yeah, but I wonder, though, if it's one of those things, you know, and this is just all speculation, because I don't know how the technology works, but I wonder if it's like passing an anti-privacy law. Like, you can't do it, but nobody's, you can't stop people from doing it either.

You know what I mean? Right. Yeah, I just, like, it feels, it feels like there's got to be some, like, I don't know how this works anymore. But like, when you used to get a phone number, somebody assigned you that number, you know? And like, I remember like even like, like here in Chicago area, we run out of three one two numbers. So now if you want a new number, you don't get a three one two number. They've all been assigned to get like a two four number, right? So like someone's got, maybe I'm stupid, but like, is there not an

assignment of the numbers that we can control in some way so that it's like one to one to an account somewhere, like it seems insane that you could, that I could spoof your phone numbers. Yeah, that she should be able to do that. Yeah, I wonder, I wonder if there's just the technology is just so easy that there's no way to enforce it. To enforce it. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. You know what, that's the case with most of everything. But I know sometimes too that like, we just don't do shit about fuck when it comes to technology. Like often we just don't care enough. Right. We're just like, well, that's technology. And I don't know. And it's like, jazz hands. Right. Yeah. We're, hey, should we fix this? Yeah. We should.

should? Are we going to? No. No? All right. We still haven't figured how to like eliminate daylight savings time. You know what I mean? Like we're not going to get rid of numbers spoofing. I thought we were so close to that too. We were so close. We were so close. Edging that for so long. God, just like fix it. I don't give a shit if I fucking wake up and it's 8 a.m. and it's dark. I don't fucking care. I don't care about the morning. I never cared about the morning. Cecil, I don't care which way we eliminate it. I've never cared. Like, I'm awake the whole time. Yeah. Doesn't matter to me, man. I don't give a fuck. I'm awake when the sun's down. I'm awake when the sun's up. I'm awake when it goes down again. I don't give a shit. Stop making me change my clocks. Yeah. That's all I care about. I am clearly on the daylight savings time scale. Like, keep it so it's late dark in the summer and kind of doesn't get a dark at like two in the afternoon in in December. And I'm right. That'd be awesome. Because it's five, it's like six in the morning. It's getting light. and I'm like, fucking nobody's enjoying this light.

There's nobody who's enjoying this 6 a.m. Light, okay? People are asleep. Nobody fucking cares or you're driving and it's in your fucking eyes to work. Nobody fucking wants the early morning light. Put it in the evening. Also, morning people already get all the privileges.

Like, the whole world is built for morning people. So like, how about fuck you? You don't get this one morning people. That's what you. Like, you ever been? I will do the show in a second, but I promise. But like, Cecil, you know what I'm talking about? where, like, your boss is a morning person.

You get an email at 5.15 in the morning. So, like, you wake up and there's fucking, like, two emails from them. Like, morning people think that that's how rise and grind works, right? That's that, they're, hey, I'm up at the fucking, before dawn even fucking had its first baby or whatever. And, like, I've been working. But then, like, by 3.30, there's zombies and they're done, right? They're fucking dunzo by 3.30 or 4 o'clock. By 7 o'clock, these fuckers are in bed.

Right? 8.15, they're snoring. And they're just like, but they're convinced that they're the ones who are showing the bigger work ethic because they're doing it at the front end of the day instead of the middle or the back end of the day. And like, having worked

the entire day, start to fucking finish, I can tell you, there's no difference, man. That's fake. That's lying. You are looking at this the wrong way. I think what you need to do is you need to plan your attack for the afternoon. Yes.

so that when you attack, they are groggy. Yeah, right. Especially if they're getting like a siesta in the afternoon. You come in right after that hour nap when they're still trying to figure out what's happening at the rest of the day. Oh, you just fuck them up and take their job, Tom. That's how all work should work anyway

is you keep with you kill. That's how work should work anyway, right? Latitorial work. Exactly. Just like the second Riddick movie. You keep what you kill. I fucking, I offer at my day job all the time when there's like, like a gentle conflict. I'd be like, I don't know how we're going to resolve it.

I suggest arm wrestling. And everybody, nobody takes me up on it. Nobody. And I think that's bullshit. Excellency, there is good reason. Belda lived among the blunthead so long. He had to adapt to survive. He altered his trails.

It is known as dental bonding. I do not care what it is known as to the brunt goes. Here, it is known as treason. Treason. Denson is the festival. It is at my description. to settle things in the ancient ways. Therefore, Belar,

you will Narfo the Garthak. I have no Tatar. What's a butthug? All right, so let's talk about James Comey and how his world is good now. Maybe he could get a trial by combat. God, how much would you love to see that?

How much would you love to see James Comey versus like Trump in a or Stephen Miller who's like 410 I want to see two men enter and one man leave that's all I'm saying

I want to know who fucking rules Bartertown so bad so fucking bad bro Janie Vance pulls his shirt back and it's just a quado of Stephen Miller

his stomach here's a thing honestly I think James Comey can scrap And I think J. It was a fucking, it was like an FBI. She at least knows how to shoot, right?

Like, he had to shoot sometime to get his gun. You know, like, so James Comey is set to, he's been formally indicted. I did read that they were considering arresting and perp walking him. Yeah, they had said that they were going to do that. And then nobody there would do it because they said that we don't do that. So he obviously pled not guilty. And his lawyers basically said, hey, we're going to signal our intent to argue in our case that this is a politically motivated case. Because if they can argue successfully that the

prosecution itself was politically motivated, then, but it wouldn't even go to trial. Like it would just get thrown out, right? So they're going to try to get this thing thrown out before it even goes to trial. They're going to try to get this thing dismissed. It would be really hard to say this is not politically motivated when like 72 hours before the fucking indictment, Trump's like, we totally got to get this guy. Why hasn't anyone got this guy? Where's this guy? I want to get him. Go get him. I mean, it's not subtle. Like, that's the thing with this guy. It's not fucking subtle. Well, and I think, I think that, you know, there's been a lot of things that have been, have shown that this particular case seems like it's really just, there's nothing to it because

no real lawyers, except for one that he just appointed would sign their name to it. They had to, they wanted to make it a big, a big show. And one of the things that I read, and it might even in this article where they said something like, look, this is a win for him either way. And I think that that's the thing is that no matter what, it's a win for him. Because if it shows that he doesn't get, let's say nothing happens to Comey. They throw it out or it goes to trial and it's nothing happens to him. This is a proof for him to tighten the screws on government by saying there's a deep state. I can go after the deep state that's protecting this other deep state.

and now I need to go after them and you need to let me sort of have this power to go after them. So that's a win, right? Or if something happens to Comey, that's a win. So it doesn't matter to him if either outcome is a win for President Trump here. So he's backed people into the corner enough

where almost every move he makes is a checkmate. Yeah, man. And like, if you are someone who is not James Comey, so I looked it up, James Comey's net worth is somewhere around 14, million dollars. So James Cohn is a pretty wealthy guy, right? Very wealthy guy. He's got the resources to fight this. So to your point about this being a win no matter what, the chilling effect that this will have on people who attempt to put the brakes on this administration, like if I'm just a

regular guy and I have a house and a car and like a little bit of money in my 401k and if you looked up my net worth, Google would return no results because I don't own anything, right? I'm just a regular dude with like a couple of bucks in the bank and like a life right yeah the bank owns everything i just keep paying them every exactly like yeah i my kids by the way when i told them that a mortgage is a third i just told me the other day like because they were asking who gets the house when we die i'm like well i was like they're trying to split it up right that's amazing they already weren't dividing i was like you guys imagine a lot more assets did one of them plan a flag in your back like what the fuck dude when i explained to to them that like a house a home loan is a 30 year commitment

They all four of them were like, what? Like, they were shocked. That's amazing. I was like, yeah, like, I'll be 76 years old when this house is paid off, guys. So, like, you should keep me around for a little while. Yeah. But, like, if you're not James Comey, if you're just regular Joe and you don't have $14 million and you can't hire some of the best legal minds in the country to fight the unlimited

resources of the government, right? Yeah. Which is almost everybody. You're now in a position where you're like, well, fuck, I can't, I can't fight. I can't get sued. even if James Comey wins, this is proof that a guy as high profile as James Comey isn't safe, so why would I

be? Yeah. The chilling effect is massive. Was it deported by her man, a brown woman, ice agent, hashtag girl boss. A brown woman, ice agent, hashtag girl boss. ignored as she melts down. Now, I don't know if I would classify her testimony as a meltdown. I don't know if that's not a meltdown. Yeah, I think that this is a really, what I think is happening, and I'm seeing this more and more, is there are very clickbait articles that I'm seeing constantly posted, especially on places like Reddit, where there's like a constant feeling like

this is it. This is the bombshell that's going to drop. Like this person melts down or this And when you read it, you think, well, that doesn't sound like anything like you suggest. And I think that they're doing it and it's getting tons of space on Reddit because very specifically, people will share it and upvote it like crazy because they want that thing to be true. Exactly. Exactly. This is bad reporting by the New Republic. Right?

This is very, I just want to point that out for our listeners. Like, this is the kind of, you know, one-sided. And we got to be careful with that on our side, right? Yeah. Because, one, we want to be good stewards. of the facts. Like, I think it's really important to be a good steward of the facts. But, like, just as important as minding to make sure that we're good stewards of the facts, I think it's also really important that we not, like, to your point, give people false hope

that this is the thing that's going to bring people down. Pam Bondi, showing up and not answering questions in front of Congress, is not going to have any impact whatsoever. Yeah. If Pete Heggseth can invite a fucking Atlantic reporter to a call discussing war plans and nothing happened. Nothing. No repercussions at all. Nothing. Nothing happened at all. It's not even a scandal

anyone cares about anymore. He did it the second time he did it where he invited his fucking wife and his lawyer or whatever to talk about like fucking war plans. We're out of the phase of politics where things have repercussions and consequences. We should think about ourselves

in a post-consequences phase a great way to, great framing. Great framing. You're not wrong because look at what she did throughout this whole thing. She had come in very specifically to what about every single question she had. There wasn't a moment where she planned on answering

anything they had to say. What she was going to do was attack them for doing it. Every single time something like this happens, you're destroying discourse and accountability in our country. Every single time they take another step over the line to defy Congress, to not come when they're subpoenaed, to look at people and not answer questions, to attack when they're asked. They are removing the chance for any accountability on their part and on the people who come after them at that job. Those people will not have any accountability either because they're wiping the slate clean about any accountability. that that position now has.

That's exactly right. Like you just said, like when they cross over the line, I think what we need to recognize now is that when we cross a line, what we are doing is not crossing a line, but erasing the line itself. Yeah, yeah. Because it used to be that when you crossed a line

in government and in politics, when you crossed the line, there were consequences, the line mattered, right? We drew that in the sand. It was a red line. Somebody stepped of toe over it. It mattered. There was a repercussion.

when Steve, when Representative Steve King from Iowa said some stupid shit about being like a white nationalist, he was censured, right? At one point, if I remember correctly, and I believe that I do, Marjorie Taylor Green was also censured and removed from some committee assignments. There were, up until fairly recently, repercussions, lines mattered. Now, there is no lines anymore. As soon as you step a toe over and then there's no repercussions, what you actually are doing is going back in time, and erasing that line, and now there isn't one anymore. So let's go through some of these questions real quick, because I actually think it's important just to note them of what did Pam Bondi ignore?

Did Bondi consult with career ethics lawyers when she approved Trump's acceptance of a $400 million jet gifted by Qatar's royal family? Didn't answer. Can you imagine a reason why you wouldn't want to answer that question? Why you wouldn't want it? Like, think about that in every framing, Every time Tom reads one of these off, think about why you wouldn't want to answer that question. Is there a non-nefarious Dodge, right?

Yeah, what's the, what's the innocent answer to that question? Right. What's the innocent oopsie that wouldn't get every single person fired from their regular job? Yeah, steal manor. Try to steal manner, right? And do it in good faith. So who ordered that Donald Trump's name be flagged in the FBI's review of the Epstein files? That's a simple question. Who ordered it?

I love this next question. Did Holman keep his $50,000 from the undercover agents? I hope he did, Tom, and I hope he made it rain in their face. I hope he took the singles. First off, I hope they paid him in singles, so it was a big bet. I hope it was all singles or quarters, one or the other. I don't know which I'd prefer more. Maybe it was coins with Donald Trump's face on it.

They were all Trump Cyrus coins That they paid of it Fucking love it Or a gold bar Like a big gold And Holman has to take out And then he has to bite it To see if it's real

Like an old-timey prospector Well dude I'll tell you what Like I just read something yesterday Gold is now a little over 4,000 It's like $4,200 a troy ounce So it actually might be easier To carry gold at this point

You would need to carry like 12 Troy ounces of gold, bro. Yeah, what is that? That's only what? Like, 12, 12 ounces of gold. It's really not that much. Like, I know what Troy ounce is like. Less than a pound. Right. How much is $50,000 in cash? I think it actually might be more than a pound. Cecil, let's think about that for a second. The economy's doing so great that gold, which is the hedge against, like typically is like the hedge against instability, has more than risen 50% in the last six.

months and you could carry around gold easier than paper money. But guys, everything's fine. Don't be worried, man. How much does $50,000 in Bitcoin weigh? So did Oman keep his 50 grand? Then did he keep his taxes? So good. Dude, if I was home and...

I hope, I hope they put it in his waistband. I hope they like talked it in, like in his G string in the back. Dude, if... Because when he danced for it, he should really have to dance for it. You know what I mean? I'll tell you this, though, honestly, like, if fucking federal agents give me a fucking comical bag of money with a dollar sign on it, and that's my, here is your bribes, sir. And then I get away with it and everybody is defending me, I would take that money,

spread it on the bed, and fuck on it. I would be like, fuck you. That's what. And from that point on, my entire life is carrying money in that bag to pay stuff. I will carry it everywhere. I don't care where it is. If I go to the restaurant and they're like, here's your bill cellar.

I'm going to open my comical dollar sign bag and reach it and pull money on. That's my thing now. I'm the dollar sign guy. Wouldn't you feel like you had to ride a horse around and throw coin purses at people? Yes. Here you are, peasants,

and just throw coin purses at people. You have a six shooter that shoots pennies at people. You're at the fucking quiz nose getting a bacon, ranch in Swiss or whatever. Just throw it a coin purse at the poor kid behind the... If when you pay, you just reach in it and then you just throw the money in the air. It's just like, poop, and then you run away. I want to pay.

I want to pay only with like a fucking stripper cash gun and just shoot money out of a gun right in people's faces. And be like, what are you going to do? Prosecute me. Oh, God. Fucking invincible, bitches. Amazing. Amazing.

All right. Did Department of Justice prosecutors determine? there was insufficient evidence to charge former FBI director James Comey before he was indicted. We know that answer is yes, of course you wouldn't answer. How did the administration determine whether U.S. military strikes on Venezuelan boats in the Caribbean were illegal? And here...

How did you determine? And they're like, no, I won't answer it. Yeah. No, just what was your methodology for determination? Pass. They were, see, there was a brownness to them. And also, everybody. who's listening, understand the gravity

of that question. It's a massive question. They are using our military to kill civilians for a crime that is not a capital offense. That's right. So they are murdering some. Our government is using its military to murder people who are doing something that we wouldn't murder

them for on our soil. So they are attacking in international waters someone else. That is a fucking crazy thing that's happening right now. And to be asked that question and then to not answer it is, I mean, genuinely, even just a token answer. Yeah. It's nothing. They, she literally avoided the question. She did. And to that point, I want to, I want to add to what you were saying. Because you remember that the United States Coast Guard is a branch of the U.S. military, right? And remember also that we have a Navy, right? So we can put.

boats in the water. So if you really genuinely believed, and you weren't trying to do something political, but if you really genuinely believed that there was a boat speeding toward our shores with massive amounts of fentanyl or drugs or whatever the fuck, right, you could simply intercept the boat. We have a mechanism for that. We've been intercepting boats full of drugs for fucking ever now, right? There's a reason we shot a missile at it instead. And it's not because that was the only way to stop a boat. It's not like the Navy can't figure out how to stop a fucking Venezuelan drug boat if it was, in fact, a drug boat, which we don't know. It's not like the U.S. Coast Guard has no means of interdiction in these circumstances. It's not like the boat

was going to disappear off radar once it was spotted and tracked. None of that is the case. We shot a fucking missile at it to show people that we can do whatever the fuck we want to do. Yeah. This was message sending, right? This is. narrative building. There was no strategic military reason to do this. There was no anti-drug policy reason to do this. The only reason to do this is a narrative

reason. That's it. There's no other reason to do this except for to show force to the world and to America and say we can do what we want. And we are not subject to laws. Absolutely. We'll do what we want tomorrow too. So be fucking careful

who you are and what you say. And also in the article it says, here Bondi interrupted asking the senator who worked for the Justice Department before his career in politics. Do you have a law degree, Senator Schiff is what she asked him. So she asked him a question. That's how this works now. Yeah. Did Bondi discuss indicting Comey with Trump? That's a great question. Great question. Something we should know, even if she says no. And that's the that's understand also why she's not answering questions. Absolutely. Why she's because they're making a precedent of arresting people who don't who who might lie who might say something untrue

they're making a point of doing that and they might not be in power for the rest of their lives maybe they might want to answer any questions while they're there and like think too that like the trump administration and all of the the sick of fans and talking heads that support and represent the trump administration bondi very much included they keep saying the same thing this is the most transparent government in history. And they say that when they are defending Trump's a great point. Fomit us at the mouth, right, on social media.

Why did he post these med beds, this bullshit medbeds? Oh, this is the most transparent government in all of history. Well, we have a couple of like really basic procedural questions. We don't have to answer your questions. Yeah. Where's that transparency, right? Did Bondi approve the dismissal of antitrust lawyers who opposed the Hewlett-Packard Juniper merger?

Does Bondi support a compensation fund for people prosecuted in connection with the January 6th, 2021 capital riots? Is Bondi firing career prosecutors for working on January 6th investigations? Great question. Does Bondi think government officials must follow court orders? That seems really vital. That seems super vital because that's a fucking out-of-the-park question, right? It's a real easy softball.

It's like when the lady asked, did somebody order you to shoot protesters like your predecessor? that's a real easy question for for heggseth to look at her look at the the senator and say no nobody instructed me instead he dodged the question same thing here this is a real important question something fundamental to the job right fundamental to how our system works you should answer it should be an easy answer but instead they avoid the question why is yeah so let's let's assume because that answer should be so easily yes let's assume that it is no or that it's even a Yes, they sometimes, right? Yeah.

So understand that if the executive branch does not feel constrained by the law, does not feel constrained by the judicial branch of the government, then we no longer have a democracy. Yeah. We no longer have a three branch system that's gone now. Just recognize that that's gone now. What we have is a top down fucking authoritarian government. If the government officials say, yeah, I mean, like the court. can't really constrain us, then the courts are nothing. There is no, and there's nothing past the

courts. That's it. The thing past the courts is a military coup, right? The thing past the courts is chaos, it's anarchy, it is the collapse of government. It is the collapse of empire. That is what's next. There's no other thing. There's no backstop behind the courts. So if the courts aren't the thing, then there's nothing. Yep. That's it. A full stop. Because like, Yep. Try to imagine how else do you rein it in. Will Andy pick me? Don't count on it.

The story is from Reuters. Most Americans don't want troops deployed without an external threat. According to a Reuters, I actually found this encouraging because I was like, man, I hope not, right? Like that should be self-evident. It's only 58% but like, holy shit, man. Shouldn't that be like 100% of we don't deploy troops?

That's what I thought. And I like the worst part about there's two parts that are really damning and disturbing for me. One of them is that they're like seven in 10 Democrats. I'm like, who are those three? And can I clunk all their heads together? That's number one. But then also 12% of them, 12% of those three.

So one in 10 didn't know. you don't know? You don't know whether or not that's a bad thing? Come on, man. You either think it's a good thing or you think it's a bad thing. I don't know who's out there just being like, well, I don't know. Right. There are three and ten Democrats that are like, actually, I do think that we should sometimes use our own military against our own citizens.

What the fuck? What? Yeah. There's two that say, there's two that say, yeah, we should. And then there's one that's like, I'm not sure. And I'm like, man, let me. Can we just put you in a car? and, like, start the engine in a garage?

Like, what is happening? I mean, I hate to say this, but, like, Cecil, what I've come to understand is that, like, at least two and ten Americans have the fucking intellectual capacity of a shaken magic eight ball. Yeah, man. Right? I would say less because at least the eight ball can make decisions.

Yeah, I know. It's a fucking magic eight ball that always says, ask again later. It's just like every side of that little die in there just says ask again later. Or there's nothing in it. and they keep shaking it. They're like, where is it? What?

Where is this thing? I need to know what to do. Cecil, the most perfect analogy for the fucking almost average American at this point is an empty magic ape ball that you just shake and shake and shake and shake and you don't ever figure out there's nothing in sight. Right. Nothing happens. I don't know.

I don't know. Oh, God. Keep on. You got to shake it some more. That blue juice inside got to be real agitated. There are, there's genuinely, all you have to do is just go to the internet for 10 minutes and then especially any of the place where people self-published stuff. And granted, we're self-published, right?

Like, we're self-published guys. I'm willing to take criticism. I take it all the time. In fact, people send messages all the time that has criticism in it. I either take it sometimes. Sometimes I ignore it because I think that they're being petty or they're not, they're not paying attention. Often, that happens so often, in fact. They will send a message when we literally.

talked about the opposite of the thing and then they will say, oh, no, you totally missed the thing. And I'm like, you didn't even bother to listen to what we said. You didn't even bother to listen. You heard a word and then you sent an entire long screed about it. So that happens all the time. But I'm willing to take that kind

of criticism, but there are people, Tom. I'm serious. There's some people out there, like on the TikToks where you just watch this person and you think, my God, man, what happened to you? Like, you just want to take them and hug him and be like, We just need to sit you down and just take the technology. You shouldn't have this technology.

This is not something we all should have. Yeah. Cecil. Yeah. Maybe we shouldn't. Maybe we shouldn't. Maybe we shouldn't. Maybe we shouldn't.

Maybe we shouldn't. Maybe we shouldn't. I can't sit here and worry about every little user request that comes in. User requests are what computers are for. Doing our business is what computers are for. Oh, Jesus. Maybe we shouldn't. Yeah.

Fucking shit. This story is from Gizmodo. Fake protest videos are the latest AI slop to go viral in MaguWorld. Trump supporters are doubling down on AI sadism. So OpenAI released Sora 2. That's the latest version of its AI video creator. The new tools led to an explosion and realistic AI videos on social media. A lot of it's fake and a lot of it is being used to create fucking rage bait, basically.

Like political rage bait. What they're doing is there's a couple of videos and I'm not going to show them here because we don't like to promote AI slot. if we can avoid it. And so I'll describe them. Basically what it is is someone yelling at a person in uniform in two of these different cases. One of them is one of them,

actually there's three cases. One of them is saying, what's your name, what's your name, tell me your name or state your name or whatever to this soldier. And the soldier clearly has a can of pepper spray and he sprays the guy in the face and says Sergeant Pepper.

And then the guy runs away. And look, it looks like Slop. Both, this one looks like Slop. There's another one where people are screaming no queso, no cheese at people or something like that while they're yelling at the line of either ice agents or National Guard and then the National Guard mases them. And the thing is, like, in one of them when they mace them,

the person just stands there and goes, ah! Just like screams for like four strange. seconds, they're just screaming and not moving, not reacting, just yelling. So all this is AI slop. It's being shared by all these people. But what really struck me about this time is last week, you were texting me. And we were going back and forth about Tom was trying to make a funny image on AI. He was playing with AI to make a funny image. And in order to make an image, which essentially was, as I recall, it was Jesus where the trucker hat on, flying through the air with bald eagles as slippers, right?

Or something like that. Tom wanted to make something like that with a Bible in one hand and a flag in the other, with his shirt off, ripped abs, trying to talk chat GPT into doing this. He was running into massive roadblocks every time he got political. Yet this thing is able to pump out really, like quasi-realistic footage of a protest that clearly is inflamed in the American consciousness right now. without a lot, what seems like pretty quickly to me. Yeah, like, I don't understand how these can get done

and the little silly image that I was trying to create, which is very obviously not even within the realm of physical reality and possibility. That got dumped, right? So to chat GPT's Dolly was like, no, we're not doing that. It made increasingly insane images, which were funny, but none of them were the thing that I wanted to do. What struck me about this, Cecil, was not only are the, visible or these videos now being made, not only are they now like incredibly prolific and

like just jaw-droppingly easy to make. It doesn't matter that they're slop. People still believe them. They still believe them. And when you read the story, people are reacting to what are videos of just like obvious cruelty and like police overreach and brutality. People are reacting to a video of what appears to them if they believe it on its face, and it appears they do, they are reacting to police brutality by laughing at it. We have normalized a kind of authoritarian fascist police violence to the point where people are posting it and reposting it

and saying, I voted for this. Yeah. And I think that's a great point and something you should pay attention to, right? The callousness that this creates is horrible, right? That's not a good thing. That's not good for anyone who's watching it, especially because they think it's real. They want it to be real.

That makes it even worse. The other thing I'll point out, too, is that it muddies the water for real violence that may happen and suddenly it can be passed off as, well, how do I know that's not AI? When a priest is standing outside of Broadview, which is right next to Chicago, and he gets shot in the fucking face with a pepper ball,

and he falls to the ground that literally happened. it was on video. Now suddenly you can say, well, how do I know that's real? This AI video before got flagged as unreal. How do I know that's real? You're trying to make it seem like this stuff is happening. Maybe it's not. And it's a great way for certain sectors to wipe it all away and say none of it's happening. So you got on one side, you have people who are, you know, torture porn lovers who think that's good shit. I'm happy that it's happening. And then it's revving those people up. And it's also revving up all the doubters who are saying, well, none of that stuff's happening then. Yeah.

And like, I want to point this out because this is a big deal. We have by and large, a fairly savvy, both politically and technologically, audience. It doesn't matter that you know this is fake. That is such a, that is so irrelevant. I need everybody to understand how irrelevant it is. It makes no difference at all, not even the littlest bit of difference, that you know this is fake. It doesn't matter. Stop thinking about that.

I hear a lot of apologists for this kind of stuff say, well, it's fucking obviously fake. You can see here that like this part of the video doesn't. And look at the background. It's not going to just fucking six fingers or whatever. None of that is anything. None of that is anything. That's honestly, that's bad thinking. Stop doing it.

What matters is that this distorts our vision of a shared reality. It matters that other people think. think it's real. Does not matter that you do. It matters that what we have done is we have taken the tools that we are supposed to use to ensure that we live in a shared reality. We have taken those tools and we have distorted them so now that the same tools that are supposed to bring us together and allow us to share the same reality and share at least the same narrative of what did and didn't happen, that has now dissolved. We have broken the bonds of our shared reality. That is an inherently dangerous and bad thing. There's no upside to that. There is no

upside to that. The tools for creating reality should not be in the hands of anybody with a fucking iPhone. That's bad. We are actively working on ripping apart the seams of our shared narrative. And when we do that, we are going to, like if you think we're dividing, now, you ain't seen nothing yet. Yeah, this is, you're going to turn it up to 11. And like you said, just because you know it doesn't mean anything, think about the person who's the empty eight ball. Yes.

How about that third, those three people that are empty eight balls that are going to see it and they're not going to know what the fuck to do it? Yes. And maybe some people might be skeptical of it. But I also recognize too, like often what will happen is, is we will find things that confirm our biases and then share them without thinking whether or not those things are real. Very recently

just on my Facebook feed, I saw someone share a story that was written that the case for Comey was thrown out because the lawyer misspelled his name. Right? So someone shared it on my Facebook feed. I saw it. It was from Borowitz. The Borowitz report. It's a

fucking satire. It's satire. But here's the thing. They shared it and then they had a big thing at the top talking about how, you know, this administration is a joke and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, dude, you're sharing a fake fucking story. It's a satire story that you're sharing. And then they're in the comments, well, like it seems like it could be real.

Well, fucking, just because it seems like it could be real doesn't mean it's real. And we're sharing things quickly because it confirms our biases. Stop doing that too, man. That happened all this week. Look, I'm not going to say that the judge's house that burnt down. in South Carolina or wherever it was, that this week there was a judge who had just ruled against something for Trump

and their house fell down. I'm not saying that's not some weird circumstantial evidence, right? But before we know anything, don't post to social media that this is on Trump supporters or this is what MAGA does or any of that. Because that's what you're doing is filling the ecosystem with your own biases,

not with reality. Yeah, yeah. That's super important. we're in a space where the creation of reality is also happening at a speed that has never been possible before, right? So what I mean by that is that the process of reality creation used to be a slow and methodical process. So imagine, take us back just a handful of years to where when we created a shared narrative, we used newspapers and television, right? And so that process required teams of people, photographers, reporters, editors, they could only produce, let's say,

one unit of television programming. Here's the 9 o'clock news. Or one daily newspaper a day. Here's the daily newspaper. What is happening now is that we are creating videos that distort the nature of reality thousands of times a minute. Yeah, maybe more, right? So there's a volume and a speed issue, which is also at play here, it's no longer enough to say, well, I am going to be a good consumer of information. That's like, that's, that's like, sure, that's baby steps. That's great. You have to do that. But we have to do, we have to take real big, meaningful steps toward reigning this in at a societal and systemic level. And I don't think we're going to do that. But if we don't do that, I really do think that the world will erupt into chaos, like genuine, actual chaos, because there is nothing more valuable than sharing a reality with your neighbor.

Yeah. And more and more, we don't. We literally are living in worlds that we see differently. And that cannot be good. And all we are is at the tip of this thing. We're at the very, we're at the very bleeding edge of it. It's not going to get better unless we do a lot of really important work really fast to make it better. And I'm so worried we won't.

Yeah, you got to do a lot. And I want to talk about that judge really quickly, that judge their house. Just really quickly, just want to say to people, before you send your message in, if just so happens they do find arson, as it stands right now, they are ruling arson out, right? But there might be an investigative probe that happens. That doesn't mean that you were wrong if you posted this is what Maga believes, right? If it just so happens that someone did like that.

house on fire, but it means you didn't know when you wrote it, right? You didn't know if that's the case. And as it stands right now, there's no indication that it's arson. Now, I don't know whether or not you can believe the people. I don't know whether or not very specific. Because right now, I'm worried about whether or not we can believe authorities when it comes to this stuff. Yes. We've gotten to the point now where when something happens, I'm worried whether or not the authorities are actually telling us what is true and what is real because they are happy to distort reality too. So I'm worried about that. So I'm not, I'm not willing to say yes or no based on what an authority says. I would like to see some sort of independent investigation involved as well,

because circumstantially, that's really fucking convenient that somebody got their house burnt down while they were in the middle. That's super convenient. It is. Circumstantially. But I'm not saying that anything happened that was nefarious. And we shouldn't presume anything happened that's nefarious. We should try to get to the bottom of reality whenever we can. Just don't let me get stuck with a journal off. Had others. Come on. They're not all crypto-fascist and right-wing nuts jobs. We also have some venture capital dams and centrist schools. So this is interesting. This story comes from Yahoo. Podcast bros turn on Trump as his popularity sinks. So this is actually pretty interesting. Everybody knows that a bunch of the right-wing

man-averse, manosphere, podcast-averse bullshit on the right, worked really, really hard to broadcast and amplify the Trumpian MAGA message out to young men who have begun swinging further and further right. And they were very successful. They were very successful in turning out their vote, turning out their base, and turning young people further and further right. Those same people, though, are now starting to turn on Trump. And I think this is really interesting because part of what it shows is how not ideological these guys are and how popularity-based they are. Right. Yeah. So as Trump's popularity sinks, what these guys are saying is like, hey, I don't need to be consistent in my messaging. I need to be consistent

in getting my fucking advertising and patron dollars. Yeah. And I'm going to lose those if I continue to back a losing horse. So for them, this was never about what they believed. This was about sending out a message that they thought they could monetize. Yeah, I wonder, too, like how much they do believe in misogyny, right? I wonder how much they actually do think that a woman couldn't do that job. Even if it's subconscious, I wonder how much that seeps into their decision-making on which candidate they were going to try to back on this last race. So there's a part of me that wonders if a Manosphere person would ever be a person who would

endorse a female candidate. But your point is well taken, Tom, in that they are very popularity-based, very much worried about what's going to happen to their popularity, because they experienced a huge boost. While Biden was in office, they experienced this huge influx of listeners, influx of people paying attention to them, dipping their toes into these political spheres. In fact, Donald Trump was a guest on Theo Vaughn's show, who they talk about in this particular article. He was a guest on Joe Rogan show. Aidan Ross, who they also talk about

in this article, went to Mar-a-Lago, did a stream from down there, gave Trump some gifts while he was down there. So these are all people who worked with Trump while he was campaigning. And what I think the most damaging thing that I've seen come out

of this is I watched the Rogan interview of Trump. And what I saw was, a person who could, a political person, could sit down with him and there would be no accountability in any of their statements. They could say literally whatever they want, lie about every single piece of their plans for America

or their past actions, and it wouldn't matter whatsoever what those answers were, they could just come across as a normal, cool, chill dude, and it wouldn't matter because they're just hanging out. I'm just having a good conversation. Oh, yeah. Did I think that the 2020 election was stolen? Yeah, and I got a lot of proof.

And you're going to change the subject in two seconds, so I don't have to bother telling you what that proof is or how crazy that sounds to anybody. We're just going to sweep right past that. And you're going to normalize me with this complete unaccountability interview that you're doing to me. I just have every card is in my hand. I can play whatever I like.

Nothing you say is going to shake me or rattle me because it's a friendly atmosphere. There's no adversarialness. And I get to spew my complete view that has no pushback whatsoever from anyone and make it sound as awesome as possible with no follow-up questions. Yeah, yeah.

That's exactly true, man. That's exactly true. this is the again like we've been podcastings even i've been podcasting for 20 years almost you know we're coming up on 20 years yeah it's going to be close to 20 years yeah there's no barrier for entry for this right you and i didn't go to journalism school we're just guys who bought microphones these other people they're just people that bought microphones so what they have that's important is not a skill what they have that's important is an audience right they've managed to tap into, I don't say they're totally without skill, but like what I mean is they don't have

like a respect for journalism. They don't have like these guys don't have a background in journalism very often. They don't have a background in journalistic ethics. They don't have, you know, backgrounds as researchers, for example. They don't have any of those sort of journalistic tools. What they have is an ability to be charming, an ability to appeal to a mass group of people, an ability to produce a product that people want to have access to and an audience people want to have access to. It's different. That's just different. And it's less than. It's lower. It's smaller. So it's an enormous amount of amplification with no guardrails, right? No guardrails at all. That is something we should all be careful about. So when these guys

have somebody like Trump onto their show and they do the thing that you're referring to, they all have a nice little hangout, they have a little way, we're just going to just some dudes hanging out together, you know, like they're doing it that way and not the way that like a reporter would do it because they don't have the skills that a reporter has and they don't have the same end result that a reporter is looking for. What they want is to have Trump on so lots of people listen to that show so they make a lot of advertising dollars on their fucking October 9th drop. That's what they're doing. The incentives are different. The goal is different. The skills they bring are different. We should be wary of that. In the past,

Tom and I have had on people where we didn't push them in the right direction and I've, and I've been, like, disappointed in our interviews. And we've stopped, for the most part, doing a lot of interviews, especially on bigger stake stuff, because I don't feel like I'm qualified to do that work. Right. Right. I don't feel like I'm going to ask a good second question. I don't feel like I'm to be able to understand this person's body of work enough to hold their feet to the fire or understand their subject enough to ask a real substantive question that they might be they might have a difficult answer for or that they might be trying to push a certain narrative that I'm unaware of those are all real problems when you're interviewing someone when we do a show

we're reading news or new stuff we're giving our opinion we're talking back and forth but there's never a moment on our show where we're like trust us. Trust us. There's always, it's always check our work. Go ahead and read the things we read. See if you come up with a different thing. Send us a message. We might change how we do something in the future. That's all super important. I never see that from any of these other podcast guys. I don't see that from them at all. I see them get attacked and then they fucking turtle up. They turtle up and they fight against that attack. And then they're like, I didn't do anything wrong. I didn't know. I would just asking questions. Look at me. I was just asking questions. They're

They don't enter, they don't look at themselves, they don't take any criticism, and every criticism is an attack to them. Yeah, man. And like, to be fair to them, every criticism is an attack. It's an attack on their bottom line. Yeah. It's an attack on the only thing that matters to him. Because, again, they're not trying to output the same thing that journalists are trying to

output. That is not the goal. I think that that's something that we should really start saying out loud. What does Joe Rogan want from Joe Rogan's show? Joe Rogan wants a big fucking contract from Spotify. That's what Joe Rogan wants out of his show. He wants 15 million people or whatever to fucking listen to Joe Rogan. That's what he wants.

He is not trying to do, and he'll say it out loud. Like, you know what I says? And Tom, like, making it up. He's not trying to do journalism. Yeah. He's not even, he's not trying to say he is trying. But we treat it like they are. That's part of the problem is that more and more people,

people are turning to these types of programs as if this type of programming, because they have famous people on, because they have important people on, they're saying, well, I know what J.D. Vance has to say. I listen to him on the fucking whatever the fuck show. And it's like, yeah, but you listen to him in the most favorable, sycophantic, easy, non-journalistic presentation possible where he controlled all the variables because otherwise he wouldn't have agreed to go on a show where he didn't get to control the variables. ahead of time. I think this whole administration has completely lost the fucking mine.

And I think we're all going to die. This is fucking, this is like some shit that you can't make up. Senate confirms scientists with ties to Sharpie Gate as top NOAA officials. So that's the National Oceanic, I don't know, atmospheric administration. So, you know, the people who figure out what disasters are coming and what the weather is going to look like and all that stuff. Sharpie Gate was where Trump was like, hey, this hurricane's going to hit Alabama. And everybody was like, what? And then he just took a Sharpie and drew like a fucking second head onto the dick of the fucking trajectory and was like, see, I know that the rest of this was in white and this is clearly with a fucking marker.

You didn't even get the same color marker. said, I'm not even, when I'm lying to you, I'm not even trying to make it believable. But I read this and honestly, my first, this is how bad things are. I was like, God, at least he's a scientist. You know, like, he's not even like an honest one. Like, you wouldn't, you would, you would 100% imagine Trump to place on like a CTE head of somebody who's like studying CTE to be like Jake Paul or something. Yes. Like, you were a hundred percent.

That wouldn't surprise, it wouldn't surprise anyone at all. And so when you do hear somebody, you're like, oh, he's a scientist? Oh, okay. He's a scientist in the right sciences for this. But what's great is it's essentially the same guy who was sending out letters from the Justice Department to keep Trump in office in 2020. It's basically the same thing, right? It's someone who's willing to lie for you.

And that person gets rewarded by this administration. Yep. Think about that. Think about how often that happens. this administration rewards people for their nefarious actions. I know. And that should tell you everything you need to know. This is fucking something else.

Look, I want to hold out the tiniest bit of hope. The tiniest bit of hope based on this article because like what was said, what was said at the end of this article was we need more data and we need to do more post-storm assessments. We need that data to understand what went right, what went wrong. and whether people got the warnings. And I thought, at least from a lip service perspective, good? Yeah. You know, good?

I don't know, man. He might be a real scientist. He might be the guy who happened to bring a Sharpie to that particular meeting. I wonder if every single one of our weather maps, you know how the weather maps move? You know how they do the moving of the clouds? I wonder if it's going to be like take on me where it's going to be black and white that video where it looks like it's an animation of a black and white image as it's flying across your screen from now on

because the sharpie guy's going to draw it out for everybody. Oh, God, I hope so. I hope so, too. Yes. How many, like, iterations of insanity are we away, Cecil, from just, like, checking your weather app and getting Rick rolled? Dude, I'm not kidding when I say, like, there was an image from the White House the other day,

and Trump was signing something. I don't remember what it was. And someone had written, everyone in this in this photograph has received the stone cold stunner and it was true because it was Linda McMahon, her daughter, Triple H, and the president. Dude, this administration is what plants crave. Yeah.

That's all I'm saying. It really is, man. They're going to have that. They're going to have that. It's going to be Trump's birthday fights on the lawn. That's what he was talking about. Is that on his birthday? I guess it's, it's in celebration of around his birthday.

Jesus. God. Is he going to be 80 then? Is he going to be 80 at that point? Please, I hope he never sees 80. I hope so bad that that motherfucker, I hope a cheeseburger doesn't mean so bad. What I'm saying is, is that we need to give him what he craves. You know what I mean? Like, we need to just, whatever he craves, give him those things. Let's hope that his own excesses are the thing that leads to his downfall. All I'm saying is, like, I would feed that man every trans fat. Like, every single, like, I would just stuff him full of trans fats. It would be so much justice if he died from trans stuff.

Yeah. It would be so much justice, Tom. Wouldn't you love to be the White House chef and just be like, yeah, fucking, we're making everything with butter. It's fucking, it's like, everything's like, everything's Paul a Dean's recipes. Everything. We're fine, everything. He's eating hamburgers, and it's just a donut cut in half. And he's got it.

It's just slathered with butter and maple syrup. It's like, is this poison? No. But your, your cholesterol is like $3.86. Yeah. Your blood is viscous. Like your blood is fucking 10 W30, you know?

I want someone to cut him and it looks like it's fucking Hershey's dark chocolate. Just pouring out of there. Like it looks like you could make fondue. That's what I wanted to look like. Just fucking thick. It's like it's like you're pumping. and it's just, it's like, it's like the pudding bubbles that are popping

up from the surface. It's like that. You know, pudding gets like that thick skin over if you leave it out? Yeah. Yeah. Because his skin's so thin now so it needs to be thick. I want, I want his blood to clot like, just all of it at once. Just a hot. Just coagulate where it stands.

It just freezes. It all freezes at the same time. It's like he just becomes like a non-Newtonian fluid, you know? He already is, though. He kind of already is. All right, that's going to wrap it up for our show this week. We'll be back with a Thursday show on the Portland riots.

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