Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 885: Kash and the FBI Slush Fund, Trump's Mortgage Fraud

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

Jasmine Crockett announces campaign for Texas Democratic Senate primary Democrats flip Miami mayor's office, winning control for first time in nearly 30 years House Democrat Seeks to Impeach Kennedy for Undercutting Public Health Trump's Own Mortgages Match His Description of Mortgage Fraud, Records Reveal — ProPublica Kash Patel ordered FBI detail to give girlfriend's pal a lift home: sources Kash Patel Hits Back At Humiliating Report That He Demanded An FBI Raid Jacket Damning New Poll: Americans Say Cost Of Living Is 'Worst They Can Ever Remember' Trump responds to "traitor" Marjorie Taylor Greene after "60 Minutes" interview - CBS News Inside the Pentagon's Scramble to Deal With Boat Strike Survivors - The New York Times

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Today is Thursday, December the 11th. Cecil, you know what kind of mode I'm in these days? I am in the wake up, check the news and see if we're at war mode. No, that's a good. That's probably the place where I think a lot of Americans are right now. That's an exciting mode to be in again. I've been in this mode a few times in my life, you know? exciting, Tom. It's very exciting to check the news. Interesting times. You like that?

You like these interesting times that we're in? No, Cecil. Dude, I'm so tired. I am too. Every day it's a brand new thing that you look and you say, is that a war crime? Because that feels like a war crime. Well, I mean, could you imagine if any other president did the things that he did?

And you could talk very specifically about the hijacking of the Venezuelan oil ship. So you could talk about that. They literally just, they literally, hijacking is a great way to put it. Capturing is not, I mean, they hijacked it.

They essentially hijacked it. It's the craziest story. This is hijacked by the United States government. The thing is, is like, if you were to add this all up and do this in somebody else, let's say Clinton did it or somebody else. It's like a huge international shitstorm.

Even Bush in order to get into Iraq, had to fabricate a bunch of shit. Thank you. And get a bunch of shit. of people with a bunch of clipboards and pretend they're looking at stuff. And then you get a, you know, Hans Blix. They'd a frown and furrow their brows. Get Hans Blix coming over.

And Hans Blix is like, hey, no, this is bad. And they're like, no, shut the fuck up, blicks. And then they go do with that. So there's like a whole process that they had to do in order to trick the American people into attacking Iraq, right? And the thing is that they tricked people well enough or the people in Congress didn't care enough to side with them. Right.

There was people who sided. The Congress was like, yes, where's that now? Dude, thank you. This is what I wanted to talk a little bit about. And I'm going to read the text message that I sent you, which was a quote from the article, which is what Trump said. Like what I was thinking about with this Venezuelan tanker seizure, hijacking fucking piracy shit, we used to require a rationale.

And as we're like moving toward war with Venezuela, I've looked and I cannot find the rationale anywhere. And nobody seems to be as like unbelievably upset and mystified and confused. Like I feel like like the rug is, well, you need a rationale, right? There's nobody who's, there's nobody even on his side who's like, wait the fuck a minute. For real. And what Willie ran on was the president of peace. I mean, like literally ran on the idea that he was not going to start any wars.

And instead we're posturing. we're sending, you know, 15,000 troops and aircraft carriers and boats and fucking shooting missiles at fishermen or whatever the fuck we're doing. We're seizing. Even if they are drug boats. Even if they are drug boats. Genuinely, even if they are drug boats. You can't just execute people. It's not, we don't just, we don't just murder people in the United States for dealing drugs.

I don't care how much drugs they have. Do you know what crime we do just murder people for? Treason? No crime. every crime has to be proven, arrested. We don't do anything without due process. You're absolutely right, Tom. It's except for this warship that we do.

You're 100% right. But like, there's a couple of things. I'm going to read what Trump said about it. But like another crazy thing about the Venezuelan tanker is it's not even a Venezuelan tanker. So that tanker was flying under a different flag. It was headed to the Middle East. It had.

had Venezuelan oil in it, but it wasn't even their boat. It's just like around Venezuela with Venezueling goods. And we're just like, and so here's what Trump said. Because like, again, I feel crazy. We used to have to sell this and persuade people. You used to have to do politics in order to do this. Exactly. There was a politicking that had to happen when someone wanted to attack another country. There was at least some sort of, at least some sort of show, right? We had to make a show. It's not that that stuff had to even be remotely convincing because we know in the past, it

was not remotely convincing. It was not. But like when Baby Bush convinced America to attack Iraq, like initially there was not good, but better and fairly broad support for it. So like he

convinced the people. He made a persuasive argument. Absolutely. He created the specter of an existential threat. And then he went through the channels. And then he went through channels. He got his secretary of defense, Colin Powell at the time to go to the UN and pitch a lie to the UN. They did all the stuff, right? They did all the stuff. Here's what Trump did. Here's what Trump said about this fucking Venezuelan tanker. So again, in case you guys are wondering like, hey, what is Trump saying? What's the rationale? Why are we doing any of this? He said,

as you probably know, we've just seized the tanker on the coast of Venezuela. A large tanker, large. Largest one ever seized, actually, and other things are happening. Mr. Trump declined to say who owned the tanker, but when he asked about the ship's oil, he said, well, we keep it, I guess. It was seized for a very good reason. We can't, what is happening. Yeah. I feel like even Kings used to say why they were doing stuff. Now we're just like, we did a stuff, a very big stuff, the best stuff is the thing that we did. You have to have some sort of pushback. And the problem is as he has absolute noodles in the in the in the Senate and in the house and these people i mean mike uh fucking mike johnson what i mean is literally whatever he is a jellyfish

you put it you can make him into any you could smash he's a blobfish he's a blob smash him into whatever shape you want yep and he will do literally whatever you say he has no he has no will no will of his own. He's none whatsoever. So whatever someone else tells him to do, he'll do. And whoever they tell him to protect, he will. And there's never going to be any kind of real inquiry until you gain control of these houses again. You won't see any regular inquiry. And you probably won't see it until hopefully Trump and his ilk are out of the office. If that happens, then you'll see hopefully the next person comes in and doesn't try to make it fair. Hopefully the next person doesn't come in and is it like too fair, right?

We're going to be fairer than fair. That's what happened with Garland. We're going to be fairer than fair. How'd that work out for us? How's our Supreme Court looking? We're not doing that. How's everything else looking? What we're doing is we're going to prosecute them like they're actually crimes because

they are. They are crimes. And so what we're going to get somebody in there. It's like, you know what? Those are crimes. And we're going to follow up on these and we're going to see if they'll pass in the courts. Because the thing that the thing about Garland was is that there was all this slow role to

try to get everything. Should we do it? be, no, bring it in front of the court. The court will decide whether it's got merit or not. That's what judges do. That's literally their job. So if you bring something that doesn't have merit and you get a little egg on your face after it's over, hey man, you got a little egg on your face.

The problem was Garland wasn't willing to do any of that. He never wanted to be seen as someone who was going to be going after people or, you know, possibly be wrong in that situation. He doesn't want to do that. Well, you got the wrong fucking guy. You got to get somebody in there who's going to be a bulldog for you. I feel like Garland didn't understand how fucking clocks work. Yeah.

That's what I always felt. Like I appreciate being thorough and methodical in order to make sure that your case is a rock solid case. Like I'm down with that. But motherfucker, the clock is ticking. Got to do it fast. You've got work to do. And it's not, well, we got to make sure. I'd rather get it right than what?

Then do it at all? Because that's where you ended up. Well, you ended up at the not do it at all stage. You ended up with it in court and then it didn't matter when it was in court. Exactly. Because if he had gotten it done a year before, then we could have actually gone to trial. Could have actually gone to trial. Huge difference.

We didn't. And so it just ends up fucking fizzling out and becoming nothing. This story is from CBS News. Jasmine Crockett announces campaign for Texas Democratic Senate primary. So Cesar, we've been talking about Democrats doing more primary. challenges and being more aggressive in the primary situation or across the country in primaries. How do you feel about the opportunity for actual success here? We've been told a lot that the Texas is purple. A lot of people have been saying that for

years. It's been said. And every single time people get their hopes up about Texas being purple, it's still fucking red, bro. It's red every time. It's still fucking real red every single time. So I don't have a lot of hope. What I do have hope for, though, is the two people who are running for the seat, who are now in a primary against each other, seem to be two really cool people. James Telerico, who's the person who got famous essentially talking about the 10, the 10, 12 commandments. The 10 commandments. Yeah, those are some extras in there. 12, 15 commandments. I don't know how many you got. But 10.

Should we have one about rape? No? That's fine, right? Let's do 10A. But in any case, that guy who, he basically got famous because he fought against the Ten Commandments and he's a religious guy. So he's like, don't do Ten Commandments in schools. He's just on Rogan.

We actually just did him as a bonus show. Oh, really? So I got a chance to listen to him for a couple hours. Seems to be a pretty smart guy. Very religious, but also has a lot of, I think, really interesting takes and it's a worthwhile conversation to listen to. But he seems to be the type of person who just, as soon as he found out she was running, he's like, welcome to the race. I look forward to having good, vigorous debates with you, essentially. That's what he said. I love it. And then Aldred stepped aside so

Crockett could run. And Crockett, I think, is great. I really do like her a lot. I think she's smart. I think she has a lot of spunk, right? She definitely feels like she is, that type of person who doesn't back down. She's quick. She's quick-witted. And I think all of those things are really helpful to somebody who's going to run in these races. So good, I'm not hopeful at the end of the day

that this is enough. I mean, hopefully in conjunction with the shit that's happening in the world, that's enough to push us over the edge. But I am not terribly convinced yet until we start seeing some other polling numbers that Texas is in fact purple. Yeah, I agree with you.

But what gives me hope about this is I suspect. Now, this is just me speculating. I don't know shit about fuck. But like, I suspect that Jasmine Crockett would not have thrown her hat into this particular ring if the research didn't show that there was a possibility of winning. You're absolutely right. And I feel that way because she does very much seem like a rising star in the Democratic Party. As you mentioned, she's got a fair amount of, you know, big energy and attention behind her.

I think if she's throwing her hat in this ring, somebody has convinced her. numerically, I hope, right? Somebody's convinced her numerically that there's a shot here, that there's an opportunity here. So that's what I am kind of hanging my hat on. I also just think it's exciting when we have these, you know, big opportunities in these, what I think of as like marginal states, you know, like states that like we probably would not otherwise pay much attention to the Senate race in Texas as Democrats, right?

Because like I would not have, I historically have not. historically I've been like, yeah, it's not, what am I? It's just, you're just picking what flavor of shit. Like, do I want corn in my shit or do I want peanuts in my shit? Yeah. That's when you pick the Republican, that's what you're doing, right? You're having a shit sandwich. I don't really care what you ate the night before.

Sure. You're not making it any better for me. I'm still the worst part of the human centipa. Right, yeah. So I like having an opportunity to say, hey, let's push because what I also think that it does is as Democrats, if we bring talented, smart, energetic candidates into states that may be purple, may be on the cusp. Even if you lose,

I do think there's a possibility of forcing the right to move center. What is interesting about this race, at least from the small amount I've listened to Tilarico, I hope I'm pronouncing his right, his name correctly. I think I am. But anyway, the person who she's running against seems to me, especially because he's religious, seems to me the type of person who seems more center

and also seems more more adamant to work around party lines to also go and talk to Republicans and see if he can change their mind because he has to do that as a state senate is what he said. Basically, there's no way he can pass anything if he doesn't get a Republican. Sure, right. So his whole thing is, let's have conversations and convince each other because we both care about this issue.

Let's figure out the best way to handle it. That's this whole shtick, right? And to some degree, I agree. If it's a low stakes thing that doesn't matter, sure, that's awesome. And lower stakes stuff. And I do mean like tax stuff, et cetera. But when it comes to like human dignity stuff, I'm 100% not. What kinds of people are people?

I'm 100% not down with less fucking compromise with people who think other human beings shouldn't exist. That's not a thing I think is worthwhile. Anything high stakes. Let's make a list of who. will not replace us. Anything. I'm going to start pretty deep in the alphabet at J.

So, yeah. So, but, but, but he seems to me to be a more centrist candidate, at least from the, the, the showing that I've seen. Yeah. And that to me makes me wonder if Jasmine has a, because she does seem like somebody who's pretty far left. Yeah. She's a black woman.

Both negatives in a state that are, that one, doesn't. like women at all. Yeah. And dude doesn't like black folk. Okay. So you're in a bad position there. So I wonder how in the primaries people will come out and what that's going to look like. Because if they're both running against each other, your centrist white boy Christian is probably

just, you know, I'm spitballing here, but probably going to carry a lot more votes in Texas than a left-leaning black woman. Do you know what I mean? I do. I know exactly what you mean. What I'd like to see too, I'd like to see the Democrats when we're doing these primaries. I'd like to see the Democrats not create the Tinder for the Republicans fire. I think that that happens a lot in primaries where the two candidates are sort of battling

each other so aggressively that they just are like, well, now that I've solded your name a little bit. Yeah. Like we can just pick, we can be like, hey, you're great, I'm great. I think I'm better than you on this issue. Let's talk through the issues and let people decide. But at the end of the day, we know that we want a Democrat, right? So let's not do anything that harms and one of us is going to win. I don't want a shit in your house. Has politics changed where that's no longer a thing anymore, though? Has politics changed across the board where that sort of thing isn't possible?

Where I think it's possible, do you? I think it's possible, too. But I also recognize, too, that there is a people see their team. And they get really dug in. And so I think like we're seeing a sort of more. more rivalry than needs to be in a lot of times. Yeah. And so I think that that rivalry carries over into the demo.

I mean, look at how many people listen to the show, listen to the show because they've gone away, good. Right. That would send us the shittiest messages when we shift, when our politics didn't meet exactly, exactly like fucking machine down level to exactly how they thought and how many shitty messages and how they would immediately resort to name calling. They would send us the shittiest messages. And they would be like, here's us and here's them.

And that's how far left they are compared to us. But that's enough to literally throw other people out who you agree with 99.5% of what they agree with. But there's like a tiniest sliver that you're off and you're like, you're inhuman. We've gotten the shittiest. And there's people who follow us on social media. who literally just type at us all the time. They don't even listen to the show anymore. But we live so rent-free in their heads

because we disagreed with what they thought one time that they cannot let it go. That is their life now, right? That's not unique. No, it's not. That's not unique. Then that's people on our side. I'm using air quotes.

That's people on our side. People left of center. Yeah. So what does that mean for politics as a whole? You know what I mean? I do. I think that exactly what you're describing. is a politics of

immolation. Like it's self-destructive. It's every time it's self-destructive. What I go out when I do that, what I go out and I tell my own electorate is here are the deficiencies of character or politics or whatever that one of us possesses.

And then how are people supposed to be excited if I've divided my own electorate in half? How are people supposed to be excited when the one they didn't pick that they're like, well, that guy who, I trusted told me the other guy was a piece of shit. Now how am I going to show up on voting day and vote for that piece of shit? None of that's positive. None of that is strategically valuable. All of that is

trash. I think we've done that because, and the Republicans do it like crazy. I mean, Donald Trump ripped his opponents in fucking half. Yeah. Like he was, he basically treated them like, you know, anybody would ever vote for anybody that runs against me is the worst person ever. I mean, he called like fucking Ted Cruz a cuck on stage or something. He did. And he like, and he like, he like, Like, he insinuated. He said that Ted Cruz's father killed Kennedy. Yeah. He said crazy shit about Ron DeSantis.

He fucking talked mad shit about Rubio. Who's his secretary of state? And I feel like that has to poison the electorate to some degree. Now, I don't think it does it on the right. Doesn't. Because on the right, it doesn't. I don't think that the moral compass matters. Doesn't matter at all.

It doesn't make any difference. Right. He gives a shit. Yeah. They would fucking elect the shit that leaked down, Gary, Goldman's face in the fifth album. They'd be like, no, that's good. Yeah, black slime, let's get it in there. Right. Yeah. I also think the right has a, not just a tolerance, but they've really shown that they

see this kind of name calling, trolling as a virtue. It's a virtue. Absolutely right. So, and I don't think that they take seriously seriousness. Yeah. And that's a big difference, right? That's part of why I feel like a crazy person, because I, I have this idea that serious topics should be taken seriously. I don't disagree, but I don't know that you and I are 100% normal when it comes to that. You're probably right. I think that there is a growing group of people on the left and right who think that trolling and attacking and like really vicious attacks on people your side and others is perfectly fine and should be the norm. I think that there's a lot of people out there that think that. I think you're right. I think social media is the thing that, that, that, that, that,

that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, basically tunes that up. Yeah. I think you're right, man. I think it's cancerous. Yeah, I do too. I think it's terrible. I don't think you're wrong. I think, I think, you're going to see, and you will see, the more and more things pull apart, the worse off you are, because the Overton window doesn't shift left. Right. Yeah, no, not at all. The Overton window does not shift left, because the Overton window runs on fear. And fear doesn't alleviate the more you fuel it. Yeah. So no matter what, it's always going to be right. Yeah. And so if you keep pulling apart, the apart pulls you this way. It does. Yeah. No, that's a really good point. I also think that just fundamentally, if your party,

I don't think the party of the right has holds as a value. And I think this is true because they're in, in part, I think this is influenced by the fact that they're faith-based. I think that as a party, they do not first and foremost require truth with a capital, or truth with a capital T. They allow for a different kind of truth, a faith-based truth. And that means that like that window will always shift in that direction, right? Because when you're not operating with a burden of proof, then you've got a huge playing field. And everything in that field is up for grabs.

and it's just slipperier. I am hopeful. And I'm hopeful for a couple of reasons. One, I think that both Crockett and Telerico are smart people who might be able to influence a good portion of Texas. So hopefully that works. I also think that some of the policies that Trump has created are really genuinely hurting a lot of people in the United States,

and they're not going to get any better. It's not like he's going to somehow. how fumble fuck his way into a better policy. He doesn't know how to do it. So he's going to just always keep fucking up. The thing about his first term is that he fucked up in ways that he was, other people were able to mitigate and the economy didn't suffer as bad. I just don't think he has those levers anymore.

He just doesn't. So he's not as good and it's not like it's not going to accelerate. So I feel like, I feel like that is also on your side to hopefully getting her that seat or him that seat. I want to do something. I know we got all these stories to talk about. I would do something very, very quickly because I want to make sure to give weirdly credit where I actually feel like it's due. You know, there's a Trump proposed policy that may be enacted very shortly that I feel like I fully agree with.

And I don't know that I've said this in the entirety of his first term and the beginning of the second. But like the Trump accounts, the $1,000. Are you familiar with the $1,000 investment accounts for kids? Yeah. I think that's a great idea. I think he's doing it for a lot of bad reasons, right? So, like, setting aside that I think that the rationale for him is that this will wildly enrich a bunch of investment bankers on his side of the world, and that's really the impetus for it,

nonetheless, I think it's just a genuinely good idea. I think we don't have good social safety nets. I think the math of compounding interest works in kids' favors. Anything that creates a social safety. safety is a good thing. I love it. I don't disagree. So when I was reading about this, I thought, I want to mention it on the show because I don't, I don't want to skip the things that I do agree with. It's just that I never agree with anything. It's pretty rare. So when something happens, I want to give it some credit. You know, in his first term, he tried to ban certain

types of assault weapons. Like, I mean, like, so like, did he really? I forgot. Yeah. So there was the, it was the Las Vegas shooting. And he came out and said, we need to get rid of bump stocks. And he did. Okay. Hey, you know what? I forgot about it. So credit words do. They got reinstated by the Supreme Court. But then there's no credit words. But he did do that. So now he's doing the Trump accounts for order to bump the stocks up. This story's from the Hill. Democrats flip Miami mayor's office winning control for the first time in nearly 30 years. I think it's a big deal. Well, and I think they're talking in this article very specifically about Hispanic populations too. and they're showing how bad he is doing in those populations

because of the things that he's enacting. They thought he was going to go after what they thought were criminals. He has a different definition of what criminal is, right? Criminal entering the country is not necessarily a criminal because you're allowed to ask for refugee status, even if you break the law to get in. Now, I mean, shit, you don't even get refugee status even if you do it right.

There's no right anymore. There is no right. They've created a system where that doesn't even exist. anymore. So I think that they're seeing this as a huge slap in the face to their community, and he lied to them. He just said lie to. He did lie to me. He just flat out lied to them. And so this particular area has a larger Hispanic population. And they talk about very specifically how tough it is for people to get in and Democrats to get in. And I want to make sure we talked about this because there's going to be hopefully we can talk about bright spots from now until

that because I think it's important to bring these up that it's not all just falling apart. No, it's funny because there is a crisis. I do believe there's a crisis of leadership in the Democratic Party, but nonetheless, the people are out there saying, hey, I can't vote right. And again, you can only have two real choices. And we're starting to see. I mean, like, look at the wins. Our loss in Tennessee was an expected loss, but it was 20 points better. 20 points better.

That's the thing. Mom, Donnie wins in New York. You know, there was always going to be a Democrat, but to have a. a Democratic Socialist win in New York. I think it's a big deal. Huge deal. Miami, first time in 30 years. The special election, the off

year elections in 2025, that just happened like a few weeks ago, a clean sweep to the left. Clearly things are, and also things are going to get worse. It's not like they're going to get better. There is no way between now and 2026, things are going to get any better.

Trump just had to spend billions of dollars bailing out farmers who are eating shit. Because of course they were. were. There was no chance they weren't. They ate shit the first time and we had to bail them out. We knew, they knew what the snake was. They still fucking voted for. Do they pick them up? People are so fucking stupid. I, I really do like, like, I don't want to, I told you so forever. But like there's, and I want to have my arms open and say, welcome. I'm glad you figured it out. Because I'm glad you figured out. Not everybody figures it out. Did they go? I don't think the farmers did.

But I'm saying like the Hispanic population of Miami. Sure. I mean, I think, I think some people are going to figure it out. I'm happy to welcome those people over to vote for somebody who's sane. And also be quiet with some of your craziest policies. I don't want to hear about them. Dude, you know, like shut the fuck up about them. Stop trying to pull this party to the fucking center. But in any case, I think, like, there is a group of people out there that even when, like, Trump is literally opening his ass cheeks and farting in their mouth, they're just like, I don't care. I had a conversation over the last week with somebody that I know.

know is a little further to the right than any of the other people I typically interact with. And they live in North Carolina. And I was chatting. And, you know, they're like, oh, yeah, well, you know, everything is still fucked up from Hurricane Helene up in Asheville and whatever. And I'm like, yeah, because we fucking canceled most of the fucking federal aid up there. Yeah. And she was like, yeah, they're waiting, you know, for funds to come through.

They're not going to come through. What do you mean? What do you mean they're waiting? What are you waiting for? When you cancel something, it isn't happening. We spent that on a jet for Christy Noam. Yeah, right. I mean, she's flying in your house.

Dude, the FBI is busy driving Cash Patel's girlfriend's friends around. Are you kidding? He's got to get his jumpsuit, too. Jesus Christ. I'm not going to get the vaccine. Then die. What do we do? argue with you?

I'm not on the debate team. This is a mock trial. Aren't you worried about the side effects? I'm worried about the disease. Well, they're tracking you through the microchip. You're tracking you through the phone you're watching this on. Get the vaccine. New York Times.

House Democrats seeks to impeach Kennedy for undercutting public health. The move by Representative Haley Stevens, a Michigan Democrat who's running for Senate, does not have the supporter for parties' leaders and is all but certain to fail is a hell of a subheading. It's great that it's like this big thing. And then you look at the subheading and you're like, wamp, wamp, wamp. Hey, can we have a tub of sound when it says listen to this article? Oh, it's so funny.

But look, here's the thing. Those are impeachable offenses. It's not like they're not impeachable offenses. He's the worst. He is the fucking worst. He's bad at his job. We're seeing surges of measles across the country. Literally this morning.

New York Times, hundreds of people are now quarantined. I forgot what state. Oh, why you quarantine him? Isn't measles good for you? Fucking measles, man. Shouldn't you just get that? Like, get it?

And then just like, I got it. No, I'm good. Isn't that how it works? This ain't that contagious, right? Isn't that how it works? Isn't that? And it's really good for your immune system, especially later in life.

Like it fucking revs that shit up. It's like fucking, you put the gnaws in your veins when you get the measles, right? Because that's the good shit. That's the real shit. That's the real shit. Give me that measles.

That's the real shit. I'm stronger because I got sick. I don't need any of that stuff. I need the real stuff. Fucking idiots. It's amazing. God. The worst part is it's mostly kids that suffer

because their parents are fucking stupid. I just wish you could be like, I wish that there was somebody who could just snap their fingers and be like, now your parents had it. You never had it. And just snap your fingers. And then it goes away from them and goes into their stupid fucking parents. Yes. And they have to deal with it. What makes me insane about this is that for the most part, the parents have been vaccinated.

They're immune. Because they got vaccinated when they were kids and when the fucking vaccination rate was like in the high 90s, which is why we had eradicated measles from the United States entirely. So there's these parents who are entirely. entirely personally protected, who are putting all of these kids at risk, and then they've got this fucking disease with like a fucking R&A value of like 18. You're like, measles, like if somebody has measles in an elevator, an hour before you walk in it, there is an 80-some percent chance you catch the measles, or at least they're exposed to it. It can get exposed to it from a railing.

Dude, it's insanely contagious. It wildly, and don't even get me started on the butt plug thing, because you can really get it from that. Well, when you lick them like that. Got to hang a sign at the glory hall. But seriously, it's crazy. Seriously, though, like, why quarantine it? Right?

I mean, if it's not a big deal and you have fucking chicken pox parties in any of this shit, why do you fucking care? Why wouldn't you just be like, no, fucking classes in session? We don't need to fucking vaccinate from that. Why should we even protect ourselves from it? Why should we even notice it? Why should we do anything? Why should you get fucking hospital care?

You don't care about it. You didn't care about it enough to get a tiny little stick in the arm. Why the fuck do you care now? I know. I know. The hypocrisy and the cognitive dissonance that is held by these folks is just fucking mind-boggling. It's mind-boggling. These are the same people who, if they get big sick, they show up to the hospital.

In a minute. Right? These are people who have, like every other person, for the most part, they go to the doctor and they have a prescription for this and a prescription for that. So they walk around already trusting in a. in a system to provide care at a certain level for them. And then they separately segregate out this technology. They flatly do not understand. They flatly don't understand.

When you said, why are they quarantining them? I immediately was like, you know what? I wonder, I wonder if enough people get sick with the measles, if there will be an outcry against quarantining people with the measles. No, you're probably not wrong. Because these are the same, like the fucking Venn diagram is a circle here for people that didn't want to wear masks during COVID, right? It's a fucking circle. Yeah. So you know those people, I'm like, you're restricting my freedoms.

Look at those. They're going to walk around and cough into each other's fucking open mouths. Look at those people who were freaking out over, they would have a loved one go in with COVID. That loved one would be sick and need to get on ventilation because that's the only way to save them. And they would say, you're killing the person who's in here. You're going to kill them. You're killing them. And now you want to kill them with this ventilation stuff when you put them on the vent or whatever. And you've got somebody who's clearly struggling to breathe. What are your eyes tell you? These people have no idea what they're talking about,

but they think they're smarter than the doctors. And that's what fucking RFK is. He thinks he's smarter than anybody else in the room. He's a narcissist like the rest of these people are. Absolutely, man. I love this from ProPublic. I figured you'd like this. Trump's own mortgages match his description of mortgage fraud, records reveal.

The Trump administration has argued that Fed board member Lisa Cook may have committed mortgage fraud by declaring more than one primary residence on our loans. We found Trump once did the very same thing that he called deceitful and potentially criminal. Crazy. So like it's just a quick piece of background. When you apply for a loan, you apply for a loan and you have to declare what that property will be used for. Is it going to be your primary residence, a secondary residence? Is it going to be used for an investment property or other purpose? And depending on what you say, the bank may give you, or almost certainly, is going to give you a very different interest rate.

And that is because the risk profile for somebody getting a loan on their primary residence is always statistically much lower than a secondary residence or an investment property. Someone is more likely to default in times of trouble on a property they don't fucking live in. That's just how that works. So you get a preferential interest rate for property that you live in because the risk is lower for the lender. it is a not uncommon practice for people to say, yes, I plan to live here and then immediately rent out the property in order to gain access to that preferential interest rate. Because what you're doing is declaring an intention. Now, in many sets of documents that I've read a lot of mortgage documents for my job.

So in a lot of documents, but not all depends on your loan type, you also have to sign, I intend it to live here and will live here for a period of at least one. year. And if I don't, I got to let you know. You got to paddle me with a very specific paddle. And that's like a D. Right. They roll the D up. It's a roll of the D. They swat your bind. Actually, if you swatted somebody with the mortgage paperwork, you'd knock them out. You'd knock them out. You'd knock them right. You'd fucking knock them out. It's like, it's like thicker than that book. Are you kidding? So like, but it's not uncommon for people to just say like I, of course I intend winkety face to live on this property, but they never fucking intend to live on it. And Trump's done this.

Like a lot of mortgage, like a lot of property investors have done it. It's unethical. It is fraud. It's lying. Like, it just is. How dare you? The difference between. How dare me?

I would not do this. You wouldn't do this. The difference between us is I would never do this. You would never occur to me to do this. If they asked me a question, I would, and I would say, do you promise, I would say, of course I promise. And then I would keep my promise. What would you do, Tom?

Would you do this? I would know. I would do this. the thing. I would do this in a second. I would do this in a second. I would do this in a fucking New York minute and you know it. Here's a thing, audience.

Tom is the devil on your shoulder. I would 100% do this. Angel on your shoulder. That is not untrue. I just want you to know that that's who you should, you should be making those choices on who you listen to. But we have an atheistic audience who is not afraid of doubles. So they're okay listening to you both at the time.

But here's the thing, audience. Cecil's life has gone objectively back. I'm just throwing that out there. Oh, come on. So, but like, I would do this. But I would do this in part because, like, I understand how these loan programs work. And I understand that they're going to put documents in front of me and whether I'm going to say I intend or whether I can say I'm going to play. Yeah, it's a difference between intend and prove that you will.

Right. And I would never sign documents that's that where I had to sign that says, I'll live here for a fucking year. Yeah. And then not live there. No fucking right. Because you risk, you risk the lender calling your note. Sure, yeah, yeah. So, like, I wouldn't run that.

Of course, of course, yeah. For the most part, there's a certain amount of sort of lying that's baked into the risk profile, too. The thing with, I think is worth saying, too, for Lisa Cook. There's also a bunch of other stuff that's lying that's built in. Like the people who appraise based on the value that of your loan rather than the value of your house, the people, you know, like there's a lot of other things that are in the system that they say aren't in the system, right? They're not allowed to do that. And then they're like, a winky,

face. I totally do that every time. So there's a lot of that built right in. Like Lisa Cook, what I think is interesting about Lisa Cook is when I read about this in a number of places, Lisa Cook explicitly wrote emails to her loan officers saying, hey, this is not my primary residence. And he's like, don't

worry. I think this was a paperwork error on the loan officer's part. Do you think it was a paperwork error? Do you think it was like, well, I don't care. I'm going to do the thing that's... I don't know. But from the borrower standpoint, she does not... There's no evidence at all that she intended to lie, to deceive, very much the opposite. She told her loan

officer in writing on more than one occasion. This should be thrown out that immediately. Well, that's why it hasn't been brought. That's why it wasn't prosecuted. So, yeah, it would be thrown out immediately by any judge. I didn't even judge with any kind of character. Right. So, and, like, she did sign a loan application that says that it was a primary residence. So that's why she got in trouble. But, like, nobody reads their documents. Nobody. Nobody. Nobody. Nobody. We get an email from the one fucking guy who read your loan documents, and I'm going to write you right back and say, no, you didn't. Two nasty looking switches over here, but I'm not going to be the first. Damn, your eyes?

Too late. This story comes from MS now. Cash Patel ordered FBI detail to give girlfriend's pal a lift home. It's not even his girlfriend. It's like her friend. And then there's another one here, tell you. Huffington Post, Cash Patel hits back at

Humiliating Report that he demanded an FBI raid jacket. Both of these are amazing. This guy, it brings the most little dick energy to the FBI of anybody

in all the fucking history of the FBI, man. All right, so Cecil brought up on screen. If you're just listening and you're not watching, what looks to be a crayon drawing of Cash Patel

with a special emphasis on his wonky fucking gaze here. Okay, someone had said when they saw this, they weren't sure if it was AI generated or not. And I don't know. I don't know. It looks like a crayon drawing. I'm not saying this is out of the realm of possibility for someone to actually draw. Probably isn't actually all that hard

for a human being to do this. Sure. So I'm not sad, but I might also. Your wife could whip this up in 20 seconds. Might also be that it is AI. I generate. Sure. I just want people to know that I can't be 100% sure, but I will say it was one of the

funnier things I saw this week when somebody said the Cash Patel's name. And I was like, oh, that's real funny. God. It looks amazing. It looks perfectly just like him. Cash Patel is, he's one of these guys that is clearly a fucking grifter, right? Yeah, man. So he's been a grifter for a long time.

And one of the things that he did was he wrote a children's book or a series of children's books very specifically about. Trump. And he's a sycophant. So what happened was is that he was rewarded for his sycophancy. Trump saw him and thought, this is a person who I should reward, gave him a job that he is utterly unqualified to do. He was in the past an agent, but like he doesn't have the ability, you know, just because you, it'd be like in somebody in your position, you know, just because you know how to like do a very specific thing with a mortgage doesn't mean you can run the company. Exactly. Right. That's not, that's not how this works.

It's a different skill sets. It's a different skill set. So just because you were an agent doesn't mean you understand the breadth of being able to handle every agent in the United States. It just doesn't, and that's not how it works. So I think the thing that people need to remember is that he's not qualified to do his job. And he's also doing things that other people have already been fired for. So they bring up in one of these stories, they bring up very specifically, Bill Clinton had

someone named Sessions, not Jeff Sessions, a different session. who was essentially using the FBI private jet and the money and the travel stuff as like a slush fund to go travel. And so Clinton was like, get that guy out of here. He's fucking fired. And so he fired him. This person is doing essentially the exact same thing. That's what Cash is doing. Cash has been doing it since the beginning.

Cash has looked out of his depth. Every time he's questioned, he is immediately combative. To be fair, he's three feet tall. So it's easy for him to be out of depth. He's got to look up over that desk. And he's really got to lean, got to look up on the, it's like, it's like they're fucking, like, they're grilling an oompa-loompa. That's what it looks like.

I'll see you over the rainbow bridge or whatever he said. He's got to take like a fucking grape pill so he gets all big and floats up high enough for them to see. But it's, it's embarrassing. It's genuinely embarrassing. And this is the most important police force in the United States. It's the most important one. And he's, and he's a clown car of, of bullshit.

he's trying to legitimize himself very specifically by looking the part and not doing he's not doing anything to be the part you know man i know exactly what you mean and like you bring something up i'm curious what your take on this is because as you're talking and the last thing you said too like he's trying to legitimize himself but i think there's a tension here that can never be resolved and i wonder what these guys think of it so what i mean is like there most of the people working for the trump administration have been appointed to their jobs not because they're not because they are qualified, but specifically because they are spineless yes people. Yeah, exactly.

And I think to myself, well, if I wanted to be the director of the FBI, which I don't, but if I wanted to be the director of the FBI, one of the things that might appeal to me about that job is being powerful. Yeah. But I would have to recognize that in fact, I am not powerful. If I'm direct, if I am put into the position of being the FBI director, but I know that I don't really have any autonomy because what I am really is a puppet of this other person, then the thing that attracts me to that job, I don't have, which is power. You can't have power without autonomy.

So if you are just a sycophantic puppet willing, and you're making yourself like available to be used by somebody else, I actually am kind of confused what you get out of it. Or if you just don't understand your situation. Do you know what I mean? I do. I do. I think you look at it from a very different perspective than a sycophant would.

I think the sycophant automatically understands where the power comes from, but if they can wield it in place of that person, they recognize that that's still power. And I think that they also very much want the popularity

of the position without the responsibilities of that position. So to them, they're very happy to be a figurehead in that position. because to them they didn't want the job in the first place.

What they wanted was the jet and be able to stand up in front of people and pretend like they're going to see somebody in Valhalla, brother or whatever. That's what they wanted. They wanted that moment in front of it. I recognize you are a very different person who are like, if I wanted power, why wouldn't I just want the power? They know they'll never get the power. Yeah, no, that makes sense.

When you say it, I'm like, yeah, of course. They want access. Yeah. But they don't associate control with power the same way that I do. The same way that a person who thinks about it would. They never thought about it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. Because I was very, like, as soon as you said, I'm like, I don't, I don't, what do you get out of this? Yeah. Everybody knows you're a bullshit piece of shit, sycophant puppet. Like, who fucking respects you? And the thing is, is your side knows it and our side knows it. Everybody knows it. Right.

I just don't think they care. But I think that you're right because there's plenty of starfucker dipsets who are attracted to that sort of wielding of power, the exercise of power is more important than the sort of genesis from which the power stems, right? Yeah.

So, and Starfucker dipshits will latch on to Cash Patel and they'll see him as somebody who exercises power and is therefore powerful despite not having any autonomy. Yeah, I never thought of it that way until you set it, you know?

Yeah. This from Huffington Post, damning New Pole, American state cost of living is worse they can remember. It is bad. So bad. It's so bad. It's egregious. I was having this conversation. I had a holiday lunch with the people I work with yesterday, and I was having a conversation. And the numbers in my industry, which is housing,

and housing is the thing people spend the majority of their money on. So it's the largest bill anybody is going to have in their monthly expenditures. And 75, there's a new numbers that came out, 75% of homes in America are out of reach to the majority of homeowners. That's unsustainably bad. You add that in. The average car, right now buying a brand new car, average price for a car is a little over $40,000 right now. Groceries don't even make sense. Energy bills in huge parts of this country. These are basics. You can't, in many ways, you can't live without, right? Like, you can't live in big parts of this country without a car. like there are see if you live in a city center maybe you can use public transportation but there's huge

parts of this country you have to have a car you have to have a place to live you got to eat food you need to buy fucking you know heat and electricity and stuff the cost for your basics are rising at a rate that most people simply cannot cope with there's been article after article that's come out recently where people who are not married who are just like friends are buying homes together because the only way that they can find a way to live somewhere is for people who are not contra. And like, that's super dangerous. Sure.

It sounds nice on the face of it, right? But one of the things that distinguishes a marriage from a friendship is there's a lot of legal stuff that lives in the background on a marriage. It's rights, man. And I, if two buddies want to buy a house together, well, they better do a lot of fucking paperwork. Get gay married. Get gay married. Get gay married. Yeah, because there's a lot of protections.

You got to do something. You got to have some sort of contract. Because if not, then something really bad can happen. And you can't treat it like a lease. Something really bad can happen. So yeah, I would agree. But we're in a space. You're not wrong.

The cost of living is insane. Yeah, you're not wrong. And it's getting worse all the time. And it's not just that. I mean, you go to the grocery store and you see how expensive everything is. It's sort of eye watering sometimes. You'll catch something and look at it and think. That's how much that is now?

Dude, $4.99 for a loaf of bread yesterday. That's insanity. Just a loaf of white bread. That's insanity. Butternut white bread. The regular size fucking loaf. $4.99. Butternets not even good bread.

No, it's just a bread we buy the kids because we don't like them. That's because all they'll eat. But like, that's $5, dude, for a loaf of bread. Throw it at them like ducks. They just sit there and just throw it at them. God. It's paddling around. quacking. Like, okay, all right, I see you. I see you.

Their nose, they cut out of their nose. Seriously, though, like, it's embarrassing, like, how bad things are. And the thing is, is, like, what people didn't understand was that prices were not going to go down with the new president. They didn't know that. They didn't realize that. So what they thought was, there could be some sort of steering of the ship. And you're like, no, that prices weren't going to go down. The only way to fix. this is to raise prices on people's labor. The only real way to fix this is to increase people's money in their pocket.

You can't fix it the other way. So when Trump goes away, now the tariffs are a little different, right? So tariffs are different. So imported goods, those might change very differently. Ingredients for imported goods into your regular goods. Like maybe your hostess cake is more money now

because of the, you know, because of the different stuff that they buy from different places. The chocolate is way expensive now. it's more expensive, et cetera. So tariffs change that. But prices overall, those won't go down most of the time. So now the next person's challenge is not trying to contend with prices and trying to fix those. The real thing is to try to increase wages. That's going to be the biggest thing and the biggest hurdle that anybody is going to be facing in the next in the future. Yeah. I think if people

are sitting around waiting for prices to go down, then they fundamentally don't understand that the Fed will not allow a deflationary economy. Yeah. They will not allow it. They can't allow a deflationary economy. That would be its own kind of crisis. So down is not what's going to happen. We're at a level. The question is not whether prices go down. The question is how fast do they continue to rise and what, to your point, what do wages do in order to keep pace or outgrow those prices? We're not doing work on the right side of the equation. Okay. Do this new found. evidence the conclusion might be against. I'm an asshole.

CBS News, Trump responds to traitor Marjorie Taylor Green after 60 Minutes interview. What cracks me up is he's like, I can't believe 60 minutes would even run this interview. You're like, that's how journalism be, dude. He doesn't like anything that he doesn't like and he thinks it's illegal. If he doesn't like, he thinks it's illegal. I didn't become president, so you could say mean things. things about me duty heads. Can I say this out loud? Fuck Marjorie Taylor Green forever. Oh, I know. Can I just say that out loud? Like, let's not pretend that this person,

unless she does some serious things to change who she is, like, fundamentally as a person, fuck her forever. Like, I don't, this is one of those people. We mentioned it earlier. The welcoming tent, right? We're talking about the welcoming tent. Oh, you fucked up and you voted against your own interests, like a bunch of times and you messed up. And now you recognize that that's bad. I'm willing to say, cool, let's invite you and to vote for somebody. I don't ever want Marjorie Taylor Green to be

the voice that someone in, that is, that is trying to find the left listens to. I don't want her to ever be part of that. I think she's genuinely a bad thinker, a bad person. She has proven time and time again to be the type of person

who chases after that stuff. Just because she stood firm on a few things, doesn't make her a good person in any way, shape, or form. Now, she makes big strides in her life to, you know, take back anything she's ever said about gay or trans people,

to, you know, try to make it, you know, change any of the bad stuff that she's done in the past and also make strides to try to improve the lives of those people. I'm willing to let her do that. And maybe eventually I'd be willing to listen to her. But as it stands right now,

it would take so much work for me to think that she's worthwhile. and worth listening to. Yeah, and let's be very clear about her politics. Her politics have not changed. What I think she's seeing is she's got a pretty good finger up in the air sensing the wind. And I think she recognizes that Trump is weak on some items, on some issues that are really important, that are going to animate a base.

I think she wants to get the fuck out of there ahead of time. I think she wants to make a name for herself as a truth. telling rogue member of the right, but she is always a member of the right. She voted 98% of the time in favor of, in lockstep with Donald Trump and all of it. She is not, she's not changed her ideological stance. She's still a hard right nut job, but I think she's sensing that like, there's a moment here where if she is at the leading edge of the fracture, that's good for her. That's great. And I think that's all that's happening. And it's, it's a, it's a great way for her to off and no matter how things fall, she benefits. So if, for instance, she's wrong and MAGA is even more

bolstered after Trump's term or Trump has a third term because that MAGA is even more bolstered, right? She's okay because she is one of those people who fractured, but they don't care because they're happy to have somebody who's also very, very right leaning, but wants to hold Trump's feet to the fire. So they'll have her on OAN, they'll have on Fox, they'll have her on whatever. She's great. She's a great voice. If she is somebody who recognizes that this is a sinking ship and she jumped off it in the right time, she's not only got a job offer at any Fox News place because she was a prognosticator,

she's also got a job possibly as a politician in another time. She won't get a job as a politician if MAGA stays. Like if MAGA stays, I don't think this is a good political choice, but it's not a bad career choice for her at all. It's not. And I do wonder if part of what we're going to seeing, we've talked about this before, is a more formal fracturing of the right into an America First Party versus some other version of the right. Yeah. I think maybe she's sensing that that

might be a possibility as well. Nonetheless, Marjorie Taylor Green is the problem. Yeah. She is part of the trollification of American politics. She led the charge to drag America, American politics and the discourse and rule bending and rule breaking around politics deeply into the sewer. And now she's like standing up covered in shit and trying to pretend that it wasn't her fault. It's her fault as a person individually and personally. And we should never ever let her live that down. I also think, too, she did it very specifically as a token, right? Yeah.

She did it. She did it. And as a way to show that women are leading the charge. against their own rights. She did it very specifically for that reason. That's why she was popular. Implant her, all her thoughts on some random dude, and that doesn't translate.

It doesn't play as well. The fact that she used who she is, I mean, that's like she fucking DEIed her way into essentially getting a bunch of attention from that side because she was so radical specifically for her gender. Yeah. I don't think that's. wrong at all. I think that's exactly the right read. And it's so funny how somebody like that

understands how to weaponize identity politics, something that they decry all the time, but they understand that they can weaponize identity politics in order to say, I as a woman understand that women should be lesser. Yeah. Yeah. And I want to give space for everybody to be comfortable with that. Because if I'm saying it's okay as a woman, then you get to believe it's okay as a guy. You get to believe it's okay as anybody. And it's embraced by that mostly male base. Right. And they love it. And so that's why she was so popular.

She wasn't popular because there's a lot of women who were loved her. Right. You know, that's for sure. No, yeah, because the right is just fucking chockful. It's mostly dudes. And so you've got mostly dudes who are like, yeah, she's telling me my own thoughts back to me. This is perfect. That's exactly who I want. My thoughts aren't misogynist if a woman says them first. Exactly.

You can easily get away with blatant misogyny. And that's not just her. It's Nancy Mace. It's Lauren Boebert. It's all them. They very specifically do these things because they know. And then on occasion, and there's even a story we're not going to cover this week.

Maybe we'll cover it in the future where they're saying women in the Republican Party are starting to figure out that their party is misogynistic. You're like, oh, Pikachu face. Pikachu. But you're like, of course, you were weaponizing that misogy when it wasn't against you. Right. Yep. Yep. He's going to move the bloody lot of us before he steps one foot in the hay.

New York Times inside the Pentagon scramble to deal with boat strike survivors, officials initially weighed sending survivors of U.S. attacks on boats suspected of drug smuggling to a notorious prison in El Salvador to keep them away from American courts more than once we've shot missiles at these little boats and people have survived three times. A couple of times they didn't because we came back again. Yeah, that's true. We did come back. So survive the initial attack.

We did it. We came back. Don't you have to real quick. Like don't you have to feel like stupid as the military? Maybe I'm just being an asshole. But like, you just shot a missile at an unarmed fucking civilian speedboat. And some of the people are like, nah, we're fine. You can't even blow up the whole boat.

It doesn't seem that hard. I don't know shit about fuck when it comes to armaments and weapons. And I'm sure that like our listeners are going to be like, if they sent an M-22 missile with a payload of figgetty-fucking hits a boat of Y-Z you know, density. Like, I don't fucking care.

I just feel like shooting on a boat in the open ocean that's defenseless with a missile and you're still like, we didn't get the whole boat. Feels like somebody should have done the math better. Yeah, man. You know what I mean?

Like there's a guy who did the math and he's like, oh, I guess we've been putting a couple grains too few gunpowder in each of these for too long. What is so surprising about this story? Because you're right. We have had people who have survived these boatswax and we've picked them up. And then they came to the United States.

And then the departments were scrambling to get them out of the United States because they did not want them to testify in any kind of hearing. So they even toyed with sending them to the wrong country. They're like, hey, why don't we send them to that Supermax prison where we sent all the people who got detained by ice? Why don't we send them there? Let's just get them out of the country. Because if they could get rid of them, then they don't have to test them. So that shows you, it shows you the scramble that they do. Yeah.

Specifically because they know they're breaking the rules. They know they're creating war crimes. They know they're doing really, really horrible things that any other administration would be dragged over the calls for. And they know this because they are trying to eliminate as much evidence as possible for these things. If the government had really outstanding intelligence and evidence that these were, violent narco-terrorists, which is their claim, then they should be thrilled to pick up survivors because they then get to have a show trial.

Great point. They get to put it on trial. They get to have a spectacle. They get to have news coverage. They get to have transcripts. They get to present their evidence to the American public. See, we're doing what we've always said we were going to do. That they are so adamant about making sure that that doesn't happen means that we're just shooting first.

It shows you that they don't even believe that this is true. They know it's not true. It shows you that they don't even think so. And so that would prove their point for them if they were able to gobble these people up and put them on trial like the next El Chapo. Yeah, right. Instead they're not.

They're sending them somewhere else. They're trying to get rid of them as quick as they can because they know they're doing something wrong. They know they're literally just murdering people because Trump said to murder people. That's it. That's why they're doing it. He has to pay for this somehow.

Everybody down the chain of command. Yeah, everybody needs to pay for us. Someone said something. They're like, they're just going to block pardon. everybody. And maybe that's true. It's possible that he could block pardon people. But one thing he is trying to weaken is the auto pen and there's no way he's going to get through it all. So, that's waking. We got an all-pad thing. I also think, too, you know, that also presumes that Trump cares about those people. And I don't know that he cares about everybody underneath him.

Somebody, I think we'll eat shit eventually. Yeah. I think somebody's going to eat shit eventually. Because you're probably right. He's probably going to pardon. He peed Heggseth when he's done. When he's done, he'll probably pardoned he peed heggseth. But what about the other people who Heggseth sent that memo to go do. What about all those people? Is he going to pardon them all the way down? Is it teacups all the way down? Is it pardoned?

Autopend pardons all the way down? Here's the thing, man. I think he only pardons people if he thinks he gets something out of that. I think so, too. Right? And I wonder with somebody like Pete Heggseth, what does Pete's heck set have to offer after the administration's over? Who knows?

I don't think Pete's got a whole lot. That's why when somebody said that, I was like, maybe it's true. And I'm not saying that's not true. And also, to me, if you could pardon someone, who has to take an oath in front of Congress, I feel like that's a fault in the system. I think that's a huge fault because what you're basically saying is that I can pardon any war crime I want.

It doesn't matter what the war crime is. I can do whatever I want because I can basically come into office, have everybody in my administration, like literally they could just go to another country, just murder everybody there. And it wouldn't matter because after it's all over, I would just say, well, yeah, a person's pardon. You know, that's true. And if you combine the president,

pardon powers with the presidential immunity powers, which are just granted, you've essentially created an entirely lawless administration. I had originally only, until you just said that, I originally never really thought about this. I thought, like, well, the president is personally immune from prosecution, right? Because the Supreme Court is shit. But now it's very clear that they can just create an entirely lawless administration as far down into the ranks as they want to go down.

That's presuming that you can pardon those people. I don't even know if that's true, right? it might be that that might not even be possible, that that could be argued in court where they say you can't actually pardon those people because they made an oath to Congress on their own. Yeah, maybe that's the case. About their own very specific jobs.

And maybe it's also the case, remember presidential pardons are only for federal crimes. So it may be the case that they violated a crime. It could be an international crime. Yeah, right. But we don't answer to the international criminal court. That's true, yeah. So we don't give a fuck.

But the next person who comes in might say, we know what we're going to start doing? Wouldn't that be awesome? Wouldn't that be awesome? They just fucking extradite Pete Hags off to the Hague. It'd be even better if they made that announcement when Netanyahu was here. Oh my God, right? He just fucking gets arrested.

Just fucking zip tie his stupid wrists. Roll that dude away somewhere. God. Put him in a fucking cell in the middle of fucking Prussia. All right. That's going to wrap it up for this week. We'll be back with a long form show on. Grypers.

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