Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 896: Trump Wants Everyone To Stop Talking About Epstein

Episode Date: February 9, 2026

Sen. Mitch McConnell hospitalized after experiencing 'flu-like symptoms' Rand Paul on Trump call to 'nationalize' elections: 'That's not what the Constitution says' Steve Bannon calls for immigration ...agents at polling sites during midterms Trump admin identified the "leader of Antifa." It's a 29-year-old who helps injured protestors. - LGBTQ Nation The Supreme Court lets California use its new, Democratic-friendly congressional map | WYSO https://web.archive.org/web/20260203063937/https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a70227192/tulsi-gabbard-whistleblower-wrongdoing/ JD Vance refuses to apologize for Alex Pretti remarks - Newsweek 21 Democrats Just Voted to Fund ICE Temporarily: Full List of Names - Newsweek After Republicans push Clintons to testify on Epstein, Democrats warn they'll haul in Trump Trump says country should move on from Epstein files after latest release All About the Epstein Files - The New York Times

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Starting point is 00:01:58 Recording live from Gloryhole Studios in Chicago and beyond. This is cognitive dissonance. Every episode would be blast anyone who gets in our way. We bring critical thinking, skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news makes it big or makes us mad. It's skeptical. It's political. And there is no. Welcome, Matt. Today is Thursday, February the 5th. And as of this, we are not yet at war with Iran. But, you know, we reserve the right. Right?
Starting point is 00:02:33 Aren't we sending stuff over there just to make sure that we're not at war with them? Is that we're doing? We're so not at war with them that we're moving an enormous amount of naval and air assets over to the region. And they just fired a drone at one of our ships yesterday. And then diplomatic talks, I think, were canceled. So, but, you know, it's Thursday, February 5th. And I don't, I'm not saying that the Trump administration might welcome an international distraction. Do you think maybe our drones, we should fire two drones at each other and see if they, like, do a mating dance?
Starting point is 00:03:04 Oh, a kiss in the air like lady and the tramp. They like spit a data stream and then they slurp up the data stream and kiss in the middle. Isn't that wonderful? Or some hot drone on drone action. They shoot a taser at each other. Yes. Just drones playing chicken, playing drone, playing chicken. Do you think it's going to happen?
Starting point is 00:03:26 I don't know. I mean, you know, the thing is is the one thing that President Trump has, that other people, I think, pale in comparison, is his ability to do unproduicted things. Yeah. Right. He is, if anyone ever was a chaos force, he is a chaos force. He doesn't even know what he's going to do. He has no idea what he's going to do. And so for him, I think he is stuck in a very antiquated mindset about what power is.
Starting point is 00:04:01 How power is used on the global stage and how you treat other people and how they should treat you because of your power. Yeah. I think all that is very, very old school, how he thinks about it. So far old school, we're talking Monroe doctor. old school, like really old school. Decades and decades and decades. And even farther in some cases. And so I think that
Starting point is 00:04:25 what probably I would think would happen is is that there will be some sort of conflict there. But I think he burned his hand on the stove with Venezuela pretty badly and that went over like a lead balloon with a lot of his colleagues. So I wonder if this is going to be something that he might pull away from because
Starting point is 00:04:44 he doesn't want to he doesn't want to put forces on the ground in a place where it's, especially in a place as dangerous as Iran, that might have him look weak on the world stage. There's a difference here between this in Venezuela in a big way. Big way. Yeah. You know what's been crazy to me, Cecil, is I've been following this very closely, in part, one, because I'm interested in it. But like, also, I've got staff that I had to cancel a trip. They were going to go to India. And they had a layover in Qatar. And at the same time, that they were supposed to lay over in Qatar,
Starting point is 00:05:19 we had shut down and evacuated non-essential personnel out of Qatar. So I canceled the trip. I was like, we're not going. I'm not sending a team of people there, so it's fine. So I've been keeping an eye on it for that. But what's been interesting is it's hard to find information, even though a lot's going on.
Starting point is 00:05:34 This isn't front-page news. I read a number of different, you know, fairly high-profile news sources every day. It's amazing to me how small of a story this is. This is like not a lead story. kind of anywhere, even as we're like building up a massive military presence, you know, obviously for a potential conflict with a major world power. And it's like back burner shit.
Starting point is 00:06:01 It's kind of wild to me. This should be in a more sane news environment and a more sane administration. This would be all anybody would be talking about. Right, right. And I just find it fucking crazy to sort of like offer that perspective. that there's so much chaos, that this potentially, like, on the brink of war, I mean, literally, like, there was a drone,
Starting point is 00:06:25 a Shahid drone shot at an American boat. I think yesterday, it wasn't front-page news. That's insane to me because we have all this other crazy shit. Well, they flooded the zone so deeply that we're at a place now where the zone is so full of stuff.
Starting point is 00:06:44 It's impossible. Like, you can jump, you could walk across. the top of the water of the zone is so full of stuff. You're right. You're right. It's just wild. All right. So NBC News, Senator Mitch McConnell hospitalized after experiencing flu-like symptoms. Go flu, go flu, go flu, go flu. There is a part of this article that made me laugh out loud when I read it. In their constant efforts to downplay the rotting corpse syndrome that he has clearly been experiencing for the last couple of years, they said that Mitch McConnell had mild flu
Starting point is 00:07:17 like symptoms and checked himself into the hospital out of an abundance of caution. That's not how hospitals work. You cannot check yourself into the hospital. You don't show up at the hospital and say, hello, I'm here for one checking it at the hospital, please. You have to be admitted into the hospital by a physician who says, yes, you should stay here and we should spend resources keeping you healthy and or alive. You don't, you can't, like, unless it's like for a psychiatric thing.
Starting point is 00:07:47 you don't check yourself into the hospital. That's not hospitals. So you don't check yourself into the hospital and you don't get preventative MRIs. Yeah, no, right. What is happening? I got the executive touch. This administration and the Republicans on the side are so obfuscating of their own health. Right.
Starting point is 00:08:09 That they're covering these things up by using language that doesn't even match what normal hospital stays or normal checkup. would look like. Doesn't this feel like when Trump was like, you know, you gotta use an ID for everything. You got to give your ID when you buy groceries. How much is a banana? $3? Like it's just like, where there's just like they're so divorced from how anything
Starting point is 00:08:30 in all of life works. Yeah. That you're just like, yeah, why is your mouth making sounds? Yeah. You should stop that. I definitely am so just there's a part of me that's on the edge of my seat. Oh, please. I know that Kentucky had changed their
Starting point is 00:08:47 a specific way in which they elect the new replacement. So if he were to kick it, they would have to, they changed it. They initially had a appointed by the governor. But they got a Democrat governor. So they took it all away. They said, no, no, no, we're going to, we're going to,
Starting point is 00:09:03 but I think that they have to choose people. Oh. To put out in front of him and he gets to choose those based on that. And they're suggesting. I hope it's like a reality show where they actually like come out like from behind like a screen. Oh, like a dating show. They're behind a screen. You can't see them. And you have to ask them questions.
Starting point is 00:09:21 Blind date or whatever that show is. Maybe that's how we should choose our politicians. Love is blind. Yeah, but we should blind all of them. Yes. Senators are blind. Senators have to be blind. You have to be blinded to become a senator. At least if you have to be a Supreme Court justice. You've got to match the statue. You know, you got to give something up. Right. Instead of getting all the money. It's all just giving you money and insider trading. At least then they can't read a fucking brokerage sheet or whatever. Can I just show you a picture of Mason Verger? I mean, Senator McConnell. Yeah. Look at him. Come on.
Starting point is 00:09:53 He's dead as a Cornell. You know, he's like, Cornell. You look at that guy. Cornell, I want to feed my face to a dog, Cornell. Look at that. He is, yeah, that guy's been dead for five years. Come on. You know that in his, in his barn, there's a bunch of squealing pigs and he keeps pushing
Starting point is 00:10:10 an image of fucking Hannibal Lecter into there. There's pigs are squealing. You can hear the sheep crying. look at that come on god guy it's good look how much look how slight he is now too because he like he looks like skin and bones
Starting point is 00:10:27 in that suit mention in this article how many people are above age and Democrats and Republican there's so many above 80 yeah what is the number let's look it up real quick and read it off so people know Pew Research found that 82% of
Starting point is 00:10:42 Republicans and 76% of Democrats back in age limit 14 sitting members of Congress died from 2020 to 2025. Oh, I see it. Two dozen members of Congress
Starting point is 00:10:58 are 80 years and older. 13 of them plan to run for real. Be done working. Yeah. Like that's the other thing. I don't understand people at all. Cecil. I just feel like I'm not people anymore.
Starting point is 00:11:11 I'm 80 years old. I don't want to work, man. If someone's like, but you could be powerful, but I could be in bed. What are you talking about? Let other people drive. What is happening?
Starting point is 00:11:20 I'm going to run the fiefdom of this remote control. Right? 80 years old. I'm not retired yet. I'm 47 years old. And if I could retire right now and never work, if I could retire. 13 of them. 13 more than half of them are like, yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:35 80 years old or older. For what? 13 of them are going to run it. What do they get out of it? What is so important? Insider trading. What do you need the money for? I don't understand anymore.
Starting point is 00:11:46 You could already speed run your money and not run out. That's what I mean. Like, you're dead. You just body hasn't caught up to it yet. What do you need more? I got to save up for my retirement when I'm 106. What are you doing? Don't fight it, son.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Confess quickly. If you hold out too long, you could jeopardize your credit rating. His story's from the Hill. It's fucking nuts. Rand Paul on Trump's calls to nationalize elections. That's not what the. Constitution says, I don't like being on the same side as Rand Paul. No.
Starting point is 00:12:19 Man, like, we're in a place now where we're like, you know, Marjorie Taylor Green's really got something to say about that. Rand Paul, come on over, man. Like, you and I are buddies on this one. Like, what the fuck, dude? The things he's saying about the elections, and why don't we call up this other story, too? Because I think it's important to talk about in tandem, Steve Bannon, this is from the Guardian.
Starting point is 00:12:42 Steve Bannon calls for immigration agents at polling. sites during midterms. This is so important. And he basically said, we need to send ICE to these polling sites. And don't you, you better bet your ass
Starting point is 00:12:54 they're going to be there. They're going to be at the polling sites. That's really, really damaging. And I know what people on the right will say is like, well, we need to make sure that no immigrants are voting.
Starting point is 00:13:05 And you say, okay, but you don't pay attention. You've been tricked by Bannon and all these others who seem to think that you can vote. if you're not a citizen. And that's just not true.
Starting point is 00:13:17 It's just not the case. And in order to commit one single vote of voter fraud, the energy to commit that vote is so high. It's so high and so useless for somebody out of the loop, out of the voting loop that would not have the access to vote anyway. It's so high for them to do it for such a small yield. There's no reason for anyone to ever do it. There's no reason for a single person.
Starting point is 00:13:45 The real voter fraud stuff that would change anything would be something that would happen behind the scenes with the votes. Yeah. Be systems based. Yes. It's not a single voter or even, I mean, think about this. Your small county, maybe a couple thousand people, how many people do you have to get to vote to change that vote from where it was to where you wanted to be?
Starting point is 00:14:11 It's an intense amount. also don't know the final number, right? So you know, this is a finite resource that you're now planting towards this thing that you want to change because let's say you have a gang of people. Let's say you have 200 people. That seems like a lot, right? Yeah, sure. Getting together a criminal conspiracy of 200 people. Or even if it's only like you have two people, but you have 200 names that you could then manipulate or something like that. First off, you wouldn't be able to do that at the same precinct. You'd have to travel all over. So you could put two names here, two names. And like you said, an immense amount of research.
Starting point is 00:14:44 There's so much planning that goes in. It doesn't even make any sense to do. There would be no reason to mastermind. And it would only make sense if by doing that, you could guarantee a result. But like you said, you're doing all of this work, presumably, and none of this work is being done. There's literally no evidence of any of it, right? But in order for, in order for us to even suppose that anybody would be doing it, the risk-reward ratio is just insane. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:09 It makes no sense at all. I think the most important part of this story, this Guardian story, and I saw it, and I like, I was immediately like, holy shit, we're saying it out loud. What this feels like to me is an out and out acknowledgement that ICE is a straight up federal police force. Yeah. They are the arm of President Trump's win. Right. Right. They are the arm of his, whatever he wants to happen, he will make them do it.
Starting point is 00:15:35 Because like what they're using as the auspices for this, right, is that we want to send. federal troops in to make sure that there's no election fraud. But they're not just talking about immigration stuff. They're specifically just like, hey, we need, and they're basically acknowledging that what ICE is is not anything necessarily to do with immigration at all. What it is is a sword that they get to wield in order for them to intimidate, frighten, scare, coerce, and violently create political outcomes. I feel like it's crazy that they're saying that out loud.
Starting point is 00:16:10 what the fucking hell is this? I'll tell you, I've been saying this for a while. The person who gets in next needs to do some of the things that they're doing to them so they recognize how bad they are so we can all get together and ban them for a future president. And what I think you can do is if you gave me a year, I could get every single Republican inside of Congress singing a choir of ban ice. I could give me a year and I could make them
Starting point is 00:16:44 guarantee that there would never be an immigration customs enforcement armed guard ever again. We would maybe have something that would replace it in a way but it would not be as tightly controlled by the current administration
Starting point is 00:17:02 the same way that these current people are. There would be some sort of oversight, something that could stop it, that you could do it, but you have to. to make them realize that they fucked up by giving it this much power. Yeah, man, 100%.
Starting point is 00:17:15 The idea, like, if you think of it structurally, right, there's a reason that outside of exigent circumstances, the National Guard answers to the states, right? It's the National Guard, but every state actually controls the deployment, generally speaking outside, like I said,
Starting point is 00:17:32 of exigent circumstances, when that National Guard is deployed, when that National Guard is deployed within our boundaries. And that's because structurally, we did not want to give our president. We want to give our federal government the ability to have its own standing army that it would use against its own citizenry. So we have a whole lot of safeguards in place.
Starting point is 00:17:53 Now you have ice, which is essentially a paramilitary force that is run as an arm of the executive branch in order for them to achieve through violence the political goals of the president. And we're just watching them say it out loud right to our fucking faces. Well, and you can see just how they are equipped and how their uniforms, that they are not made to do the things that they say that they are made to do. Absolutely. Right? So their claim is that ICE, their job is to capture people that are here undocumented to take them out of the country.
Starting point is 00:18:31 Very specifically, violent criminals. Right. Right. That's their plan. They're armed with pepper spray. bear spray. They're armed with tear gas guns, less than lethal rounds. They're also
Starting point is 00:18:45 armed with semi-automatic pistols and semi-automatic rifles. We've seen that as well. Their faces are completely covered up. They're in full fatigues. They're not displaying who they are. All of those things, when you bundle all that
Starting point is 00:19:00 stuff together, what you get is a private military, militarized police force run by the government, by the presidency, by the executive branch. That's what you get. It's a secret police. That's what you get when you add all the things up that they have and the way in which they're deployed.
Starting point is 00:19:20 What do they need all those things for? Why would they need it if they weren't there to literally combat the crowds that are out on the street protesting them? Why would they need those? They wouldn't need it. There would be no budget for it. They wouldn't even have it, right? They wouldn't even be there out in front of those agencies. if that was the case.
Starting point is 00:19:39 Because they would be busy doing other stuff. Instead, they're standing in front of these agencies protecting, quote unquote, protecting those agencies from these group people who aren't doing anything except for protesting. There's no protection necessary. It's not like they're holding off a siege. Right.
Starting point is 00:19:56 Right. There's not a shield wall. They're not up behind it. And they're catapults. None of that. She's pouring oil through the murder holes. None of that. Right.
Starting point is 00:20:03 Right. Right. What they have is a bunch of people who once in a while go out, beat the shit out, of some people across the street and drag them across the street and arrest them. That's what you have. That's what you see. So they're lying saying that that's what they're doing, that this is the, this is the function that they create. And so, and they've made it so that many people in the United
Starting point is 00:20:24 States, even people who I think were pretty like anti-authoritarian under other regimes have come completely around full circle and said, no, man, if they say to do something, you got to do it. You got to do it. You got to lay down. If they say to lay down, you got to lay down. And if they beat you shoot you, you know, you just didn't do it fast enough. And that's on you. I'm sorry, that's just how it works. So, what were you wearing? Yeah, we're in a real, real dire situation. But I'll tell you, if there was ever any chance to get that power back, you have to make them eat it for a little while so that they recognize how dangerous. So that everybody agrees, we're going to make structural changes. This can't reoccur. This is a frightening, dangerous group of people that are controlled by the
Starting point is 00:21:02 executive branch. And like, we are, again, they're not supposed to have this. We're intentionally not supposed to have this. That's it. A day of die of Dekinder, Hank? Yeah. Hey, shoot that guy. This guy? Yeah, him, the SS cock sucker with the busted wing.
Starting point is 00:21:21 Oh. Hi, Angel. This one's yours. Alvades ain't asshouse. What? This is fucking unbelievable. LGBTQ nation. Trump administration identified the leader of Antifa
Starting point is 00:21:39 to 29-year-old who helped. helps injured protesters. The DHS is depending on right-wing web influencers to identify domestic terrorists who help others express their freedom of speech. I wonder if after they apprehended this guy, Obama came to the thing and said, ladies and gentlemen, we got him.
Starting point is 00:21:59 Also, by the way, he is not the president of Antifa. I am clearly, I said before, I am the president of Antifa. I said this in the past. I've made this announcement multiple times. I want people to recognize I am the president of Antifa but he was, I did deputize him for a day.
Starting point is 00:22:16 Okay, well that's probably why they got confused. That's probably why they got confused. I wound up using I had a small chef's knife that I dubbed him with on both sides. On the shoulders? Tapie. Yeah, he was intimidated by my sword.
Starting point is 00:22:30 So I was like, okay. It's the first time for everyone. I got a small chef's knife too. It's fine. Yeah. But this is this is a guy. knife. It's a tournay knife because it's curved at the front.
Starting point is 00:22:44 When I was a younger man, it was a boning knife, but you know. This guy is helping people out. Yeah. And they don't like that. They hate that. So they're going to use the umbrella of Antifa to root out anybody that they think is impeding their efforts in this country to arrest people and terror. our citizenry. And so they're going to go out of their way to find people like him who
Starting point is 00:23:15 just helping people out. That's all. He's letting, he's like basically giving out food. He's letting people wash up in his apartment, you know, this is nothing, there's nothing scary about what this guy is doing. But arresting this guy will create a chilling effect. And that's the intention, right? The intention is for, for them to make everybody afraid that we would get labeled Antifa. because everybody knows this guy's not Antifa. Like nobody's confused. Nobody but a complete idiot thinks that like there is an Antifa that is a real organization that like this guy was the leader of.
Starting point is 00:23:50 Nobody believes that. But what everybody is worried about and rightfully so is that without any due process, any one of us at any moment could be labeled domestic terrorists, labeled an undocumented worker, immigrant, snatched off the street without a warrant. without our homes broken into without a warrant, arrested without a warrant, disappeared to a country we were never from and never seen again without any access to lawyers. And we were afraid of that because that's what's happening. And if it applies to any person, it can apply to you too. And if they apply it to this guy in some form or fashion,
Starting point is 00:24:28 whether it's public or semi-public or private, if they apply it to this guy, it will create nervousness. Yeah, for sure. It will. It'll cause someone who is on the edge to not do the thing that they're planning on doing. It'll make somebody nervous about going to a protest that they might have gone to. Right. Do that? Sure. I think so. There's going to be no matter what, there's going to be a cutoff where people see this action and think, as it's worth it for me to do? Is it worth it for me to give up? Especially, you know, I think about, you know, you talk about sometimes you'll have a conversation, you'll, you'll mention that a lot of your family's prosperity is on your shoulders. Right. You have a very big responsibility to your family.
Starting point is 00:25:11 Right. If you were to go away, if you were to get arrested, they're fucked. It'd be a huge problem. Yeah. Big problem for your family. And so there's a lot of people probably just like you. You know, what if you're a single mom, two kids? You were involved in this and then you look and you say, oh, well, that person's going to have to spend some time in jail or that person's going to have to go to a bunch of court dates. I can't afford to do that. Right. I can't go to court dates. I have two jobs. How can I get out of these jobs, these two part-time jobs to go do that. I can't do that. So they might decide to not participate in those things because they just don't have the free, they don't have the safety net underneath them to protect them.
Starting point is 00:25:46 Yeah, I also think too, you don't know what the political leanings of your bosses and your bosses' bosses, et cetera, are. So if you, I can imagine a scenario where like I get arrested and of course it's bullshit, right? That's a good point. I'm disappeared for however long. I'm not available. They're wondering where I'm at. Got to tell them. And then they find out that I've been arrested. and what if they are, you know, right-wing nut jobs? And then I lose my job. And it's not like you can appeal that. It's not like there's a protected status or protected class.
Starting point is 00:26:16 And it's also they can just do it and then not tell you why. Right. It's perfectly at least where we live. In Illinois, we're at Will State. They don't have to give any reason at all while you've been. Yeah. Well, you just went coming in. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:27 You didn't show up for work Tuesday. Well, I was in jail. Oh, well, that's not actually like the being in jail is not a protected class of worker. Yeah. You don't work here anymore. So it, I mean, like, unfortunately, I don't think the chilling effect is something we shouldn't ignore. I actually think the chilling effect is something all of us have a responsibility to those that we care for to take seriously. And that super sucks because we're supposed to have rights.
Starting point is 00:26:51 But in an era where we have privileges instead, we now have to balance us differently. Yeah. I just want you to know if you need anything, don't be shy, okay? There are no rules in this house. I'm not like a regular mom. I'm a cool mom. Right, Regina? Please stop talking.
Starting point is 00:27:07 Okay. This story is from 91.3 WYSO, our community, our nation, our world. The Supreme Court lets California use its new Democratic-friendly congressional map. So these maps are being challenged. So the Democratic map, the map that was redrawn was redrawn in response to the map drawn in Texas. It's a fucking map off. Like we're just mapping each other off here, left and right. And so, of course, these are all being challenged.
Starting point is 00:27:35 and they're being challenged and they're moving through the court system. And I was kind of surprised. The thing is, it's not great news, right? This isn't great news in the sense that it shouldn't happen at all. Oh, of course. It's not great news in that sense. Because what I would hope is that they would have saw the Texas one and they would have said no. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:57 Well, that's my hope. Right. And apply the same standard all the way down. I guess what I worry about is the Supreme Court seems to be very comfortable. giving narrow decisions that don't apply broadly in order to say no to this side and yes to this side. That would be, and I think that that's why it's sort of tiered down, right? So the top tier, in my opinion, would have been throw the Texas one out.
Starting point is 00:28:21 Right. And then this one, of course, would have been thrown out. They all follow. They all go away. That's the top tier, in my opinion. The second tier is we at least look at all these as an objective and say, they're all okay now. you can all just gerrymander.
Starting point is 00:28:36 We're allowing gerrymandering, but Democrats and Republicans can both gerrymander. Certainly a much less desirable opinion than the first one, but not as bad as it could be. The worst case scenario would be
Starting point is 00:28:49 we're going to pick and choose who can gerrymander and we're going to do it based on partisan lines. That's the lowest tier. And there was nothing leading into this that think that the lowest tier
Starting point is 00:29:00 wouldn't have won out. Yeah, well, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't it went out that way in South Carolina? In South Carolina, if I remember the story, right, South Carolina was ordered to redraw their congressional maps because their congressional maps were just blatantly... And then they said no.
Starting point is 00:29:16 And South Carolina was like, we're not going to do that. And they're like, but we're the courts in South Carolina. I was like, snooze, bro. And then that's it. I don't think they're going to redraw them. I think they won somehow after losing. I don't even know. So, like, part of me is always a...
Starting point is 00:29:33 afraid when these things happened because there doesn't seem to be any consistency of application. And I don't remember what the justices were deciding. But I was listening to some news podcast and the justices were debating something back and forth. And one of the things that they said out loud was like, well, if we allow this, we'd have to allow it for the other guys too. And you're just like, you should. Yeah. Saying that out loud, you just qualify you from America. Like, that's the point of you.
Starting point is 00:30:03 Right. You shouldn't even be partisan out loud. You're not allowed to be partisan out loud. You don't care about that, though. That's just gone. You don't care about that anymore. Like, I was floored that we're just reporting this as if this is like, oh, yeah, well, like, we'd have to give that to the other guys. And we don't want to do that. So we should limit these powers.
Starting point is 00:30:23 And you're just like, you can't, you should all be fired, but there's nobody to fire you. Yeah. Well, it's just like what Carolina did, which is come and arrest the. entire state of Carolina. Yeah. What are you going to do about it? Come at me, bro. Yeah, what are you going to do about?
Starting point is 00:30:37 Nothing. You're not going to do anything. Put me in there. I'll send ice down it. I'll redistrict it. I'll make ice agents redistrict it. Jesus Christ. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:46 Jesus Christ. So make, let me do it. Let me do it. I'll do it. These are our newly arrived surgeons, doctors Trowbridge and Greenbaum. Doctor? Doctor. Doctor.
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Starting point is 00:31:07 Doctor. Doctor. Doctor. And doctor. Well, we miss anyone? This story's so bonkers. This is from Esquire. And the Esquire story references a Wall Street Journal story that I read trying to get more
Starting point is 00:31:19 details. And what I love about this story is the paucity of detail. Yeah. It has to be. Yeah. I mean, it has to be. That is the story, but it's just kind of funny. It's Tulsi Gabbard is every bit the grifter we thought she was.
Starting point is 00:31:30 Turns out staffing your administration with cranks. isn't the bright idea, which I love the snark that leaves this article. The way this article ends is amazing because at the end it says, I for one would like these people to do something precedented. It would be a relief.
Starting point is 00:31:47 So good. So there's lengthy quotes from the Wall Street Journal article within the Esquire article, but here's the bottom line. A whistleblower blew the whistle and said, hey, there's something incredibly bad going on with Tulsi Gabbard
Starting point is 00:32:02 and the folks around Tulsi. And the administration's like, well, we're supposed to report this within a certain amount of time so it could be investigated. But what's happening is evidently so bad that they're like, we don't actually even know how to report this to Congress to investigate because there's national security implications so severe
Starting point is 00:32:21 that like even saying it out loud would basically be a violation of our security responsibilities. And so we all just know, that there's something, someone's blowing the whistle, and you can hear it's fucking squeaking, and we're running over to find out what the whistle says. And they're like, it just says bad. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:41 Probably Russian. The whistle sounds like Russian. It just has like all the, all the, like an LED output, and it's at 11. But you don't know what the 11 means. You don't know what 11 means at all. It's, that's frightening, though. I mean, like, genuinely, I know that they kid around
Starting point is 00:33:01 in this article and we're joking around about it. But to have somebody who was put in such a position of power in our government to have very little oversight because of the secrecy and the secret nature of that work and to have them be able to run roughshod
Starting point is 00:33:19 over it enough so that a whistleblower calls them out. And then there's not even anyone around who can look at it, especially because the people, if you keep going up, right? Because obviously certain people in the administration could look at this. Right. because they have plenty of clearance, but you can't trust those people.
Starting point is 00:33:34 Right. So you're in this really horrible position where the people who would be the one who could check this out, they're part of the administration. They're part of what the whistle is being blown on. Presumably, we don't even know. What it says in the article
Starting point is 00:33:50 is that the whistleblower complaint is so sensitive, it's being kept in a safe, and nobody can look at it. It's like the elephant foot in Chernobyl. 100% she's a fucking Russian spy. That is what Tom thinks. There's no evidence for that, by the way.
Starting point is 00:34:08 I made that up, except for that I fully believe in the darkest part of my realest heart that Tulsi Gabbard is and has always been, was probably born as a Russian spy baby. I think she's such a Russian spy. She's one of those spy kids growing up. I don't know that I'm just saying.
Starting point is 00:34:29 I don't know what this is. Nobody knows what this is. But the fact that there's a whistleblower out there making this kind of noise, and then there's not going to be a lot of follow-up or at least fast follow-up because there's just not a way to vet this information is pretty terrifying. It's horrible because she's a very powerful and influential person in the goddamn government. Last week, two weeks ago, she was in Georgia. Yeah, in Fulton County. Yeah. That's terrifying too.
Starting point is 00:34:56 And she's not supposed to be there. Like her job specifically precludes her, but she was asked to be there by the president when the FBI, she's not a part of, that the FBI raided the county clerk's office or whatever in Fulton County to get the ballots from 2020 so we can re-hash-the-gat or whatever. They've been looked at like a million times.
Starting point is 00:35:18 Oh, look, is this a bag of 11,780 votes? What do you bet? they're going to find like 12,500 fucking votes. And they're all going to be like signed with like within like a squiggle of like a fucking prepubescent woman with like the, I vote for Donald Trump right where the pubic hair would be. And be like, Oh, Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:35:43 Happy birthday Jeffrey written somewhere on them. Like it's such, it's the fraudiest fraud that's ever going to be frauded out. I think, I think this is one of those things that, that they're going to try to blow up to try to make it look like there's, there's fraud there so that they can then, crank, turn the screws on the rest of the nation.
Starting point is 00:36:00 Yeah, yeah. I think this is, this is a, this is a very calculated way for them to turn the screws on the midterms. Yeah, there's going to be. They're terrified of the midterms. They're massive. They're terrified of the midterms. Yeah, you're exactly right. And this last week in, uh, in Texas, there was a seat that flipped.
Starting point is 00:36:16 So there was a huge flip. Huge flip. It was 20 points Trump, 20 points. And it flipped. And it flipped big. It's like a 30 point, 30 plus point spread. It's an enormous spread. Yep.
Starting point is 00:36:27 And they are in absolute damage control mode right now trying to figure out how to, and these are, these are what should be well protected seats, seats that you never even think about. When they come up for re-election, you just think there's no way you could win that. Yep. And they're flipping. They're terrified of what's going to happen during midterms. Yeah, I would be shocked, shocked to my core if between now and November, there were not massive, massive changes being made to suppress the vote.
Starting point is 00:37:02 They're going to... I mean, there's already, there's already plenty out there. They're going to be so severe. There's already a voter suppression against people of color in the communities all across this country. Yep, yeah. And then, like, I think there's probably going to be a federal executive order or something to outlaw mail-in voting.
Starting point is 00:37:19 There's going to be, I think they're going to, they're going to chip away at everything, and they're going to station these fucking shock troops. they are i that is just locked that in they are going to station these shock troops at strategic precincts all around this country and there is going to be i would not be surprised these so if there was severe violence on midterm election day if they stationed troops there there will be yeah i guarantee you there will be there will be yeah united america who's that well at the end of the 23rd century america attempted to bring peace to the world by asking every nation on earth to sign a peace treaty any nation that refused, they invaded.
Starting point is 00:37:57 Now, a war ensued that was called the war against war. Those countries who went to war because they were so against war, they were prepared to go to war to fight in a war against war, called themselves United America. This story from Newsweek, J.D. Vance refuses to apologize for Alex Pready remarks. Not only did he refuse to apologize after, by the way, Reed's sharing a post saying that, quote, an assassin tried to murder federal agents
Starting point is 00:38:24 and this is your response? I want to point out that that original post is by a high-ranking member of this administration, Stephen Miller. So a high-ranking member of this administration said, an assassin tried to murder federal agents and this is your response
Starting point is 00:38:36 and that's about Alex Prattie. Yeah. And J.D. Vance shared that. Like he fucking retweeted it or whatever. And when he was asked like, hey, do you want to walk that back? He was basically like, walk what back? And then he backs away by saying, like, we're going to have an investigation.
Starting point is 00:38:54 The investigation will show what it shows. And then we'll figure it out. And we shouldn't, like, irresponsibly decide ahead of time what the investigation is going to show because everyone's innocent until proven guilty. And it's like, I don't know, man, that's not the standard you applied when you called a guy that got murdered, an assassin. Yeah, that's the obvious thing about this. What?
Starting point is 00:39:11 Is that he is, he's saying, we're going to wait. Yeah. We're going to wait and see what the investigation is. But I already fired off a tweet that already condemned this guy. I've already condemned this person. But what I'm going to do is I'm going to say we're going to wait. Well, that's bullshit. You didn't wait at all.
Starting point is 00:39:27 So what you're saying is a fucking lie. And then the person across from them doesn't pressure him on it. Why is that? That makes me so crazy. I realize that there was a back and forth. But God, man, just say, look, you already did that. What are you talking about? Right.
Starting point is 00:39:40 It took us 20 seconds of reading this to say, that's inconsistent. Why are you inconsistent? Yeah. And there should be no letting him off the hook on it. Yeah. Like, none because it's, because he should be held to account for the goddamn things. He says, you can't ask for a job where you say, hey, I want the things I say to be fucking important. That's what a politician is.
Starting point is 00:40:02 They don't produce anything, right? At the end of the day, there's not a box full of widgets that these fuckers produce. They produce words. They cannot have it both ways. It cannot be the case that your words matter so much. You beg me for the opportunity to use your words to influence this country and also your words don't matter. You can't have that. It's not possible to have that. But they are trying to carve out a space on the right specifically where what they say doesn't matter until it does and until they
Starting point is 00:40:31 want it to. Their words matter when they fucking pull them out of a hat and it's not a practice. J.D. Vance should she should never live this down. Right? No. This is, the thing is is that all that stuff was fired off just like how when they tried to turn, they tried to turn the person who shot Trump into this crazy left-wing person, right? Before any of the evidence was out about him, they did the same thing when they went after the person who shot Charlie Kirk. They did this, they do the same thing over and over and over again. When there's something big that happens in the news, they want to turn it into, we're the underdog, we're being attacked, we're under attack, we're constantly under attack, we've got to defend and you've got to rally behind us.
Starting point is 00:41:12 That's their, that's how they operate. And so what they did in this instance was as soon as the person was, as soon as Alex Prady was executed by the state on the ground, shot in the back, murdered by agents of the state, they immediately said he was brandishing a weapon. He was coming at him. He was an assassin. He was trying to kill people. He was there to murder people. These are the things that they said. These are things that I might be changing the words a little bit, but that's essentially what they said. Right. So these people have already lied about what was happening. And they were lying while that video was being spread all over the place. Which is not like people didn't see it with their own eyes. They were trying to gaslight you from
Starting point is 00:41:57 the moment that they got on the, that they got on the microphone, whether it was, you know, at a press conference or whatever, they made sure to mention these people are trying to kill you. This guy is an assassin. Right. This is he brandished a weapon. And they did this very specifically to try to gaslight the American people into thinking he's a, he was a bad guy. And if you go across right-wing media, they all gobbled it up. They all, and they don't, they literally will not believe their own eyes when it comes to this stuff. So we're in a position now where J.D. Vance can just say this sort of thing and there's no repercussions for it. No repercussions at all. That's essentially, in my opinion, that's an impeachable offense.
Starting point is 00:42:38 That's, that is J.D. Vance saying that someone in the country was something that he went. I mean, I think that you should actually be able to sue him and Stephen Miller for defamation. I would think so as well. If you were the family, I think you should be able to sue him for defamation. Yeah. I mean, and again, like, the right has a,
Starting point is 00:42:55 not everybody, but a lot of people on the right have a fucking boner about, like, the killing of Ashley Babett, the woman in the Capitol building by the Capitol Police. You know, and that is somebody involved in an active, like, storming riot attack. Yeah. She's breaking through the glass
Starting point is 00:43:16 trying to like storm the fucking capital. Those are so different. They are such different moments. I mean, this is a large group of people, a huge group of people breaking into the Capitol building. They have chanting about murder. They have basically blocked off the doors using furniture and benches to try to keep people from pushing their way in. There's so many people.
Starting point is 00:43:41 And if one person gets in, there's a stream of people behind them. them. Right. So you have to do something about it and this person chose to shoot them. That's a totally different thing than you having someone blowing whistles at you outside, you threatening and attacking them, someone standing in between the person who you were just terrorizing and you, and then you throwing them to the ground, beating them and then summarily executing them immediately afterwards. I counted, very different. I counted from when they take him and they throw him on the ground. It's 14 seconds. He has four. 14 seconds on the ground being beaten before he gets shot.
Starting point is 00:44:20 14 seconds before you, they never got him an opportunity to comply, right? Right. There's nothing to comply with. How do you have that in 14 seconds, right? He's already been pepper sprayed and then he's on the ground and they're kicking the shit out of him while he's on the ground and he's protecting himself. That's only 14 seconds long, that period of time. That's a short period of time. Yeah. And then we talked about it before, but there's no clear, specific and unilateral, like, thing that he's supposed to comply with. None. Like, so I always come back to like, if I could have done anything different, how is it not murder?
Starting point is 00:44:49 If there was no opportunity for me not to be killed here, then that's murder. Because I didn't have a choice to make this situation change. I enlisted in the military for the minimum amount of time in a position that would never see combat. Why? Well, because it would help me be your senator. I don't make friends. I make acquaintances. All of my motives are ulterior. I'm self-involved to the point of psychosis. My soul is terrifying. And that's leadership.
Starting point is 00:45:20 So this November, let's send Washington a message. And what is that message? Hey. Me. This story is from Newsweek. 21 Democrats just voted to fund ICE temporarily. Here's their fucking names. Oh, that's good.
Starting point is 00:45:43 Let's read their names off, Tom. Let's read their names off. Sanford Bishop, Rosa Deloro, Rick Larson, Ed Case, Bill Foster here in Illinois. Marie Glucencamp Perez. Apologies if I mispronced any of these. Jim Clyburn, Jared Golden, Scott Peters, Joe Courtney, Josh Gotheimer, Kim Schreier, Henry Culler,
Starting point is 00:46:07 Jim Hines, David Scott, Cherise Davids, Staney Hoyer, Terry Sewell, Don Davis, Marcy Capoor, Mark Vasey. So that's all of them. These are people who should be primary. In my opinion, I think this is, is unforgivable. Fosters the district that's just west of us. Yeah. So it's kind of part of
Starting point is 00:46:28 Chicago, but it also sort of loops around. It's my district. It gets a little bit of, it gets Naperville, but then it also gets some of like, I think it goes up to Rockford. It gets morango. It's like kind of west. It's my district. Yeah, it's west of here. Yeah. It's fuck that guy. Yeah. Fuck that guy hard. That's that's it. That's it. I would never vote for that guy again. Yeah, that's it. He's got to get all these guys got to get primary. You got to go. There needs to be consequences. Yeah. You got to eat shit. Sorry, you're eating shit.
Starting point is 00:46:55 Why are you eating shit? Because you did the wrong thing. And the thing is, is this person I think knows they're in a purple district or some kind of district that's probably, because there's a lot of open land in this person's district. Very rural in parents of parts of it. And so I think that they're under pressure,
Starting point is 00:47:08 but that's not an excuse, right? Does not matter. The thing is, is like, your reelection should never color how you vote. That should never be in your mind. What's in your mind is, I need to do the best thing I can do right now. And if that gets me out of office,
Starting point is 00:47:22 in two years or a year, then that's just how life fucking works. Yeah, like, I feel like if you, maybe I'm a crazy person, but I feel like if you take a job in politics, you should understand definitionally, this is not the same as getting a regular job. When I get a regular job, I have a reasonable hope, not likelihood, hope that I can keep that job for a long time. Any job where you have to beg, borrow, and plead to get the job. and then it has a term limit
Starting point is 00:47:54 and then you got to do a whole thing over again. You should think of it as temporary. You should think of it as temporary every time. I'm a senator. For six years, I'm going to be a senator. Cool. For two years, I'm going to be a congressperson. Cool.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Am I going to be a congressperson for the rest of my life? I don't know. I'm not counting on it. I know I got two years. That's what they elected me for. I'm going to do a good job. If people like it, I'm going to ask me to do it again. Maybe I don't like it and don't want to do it again.
Starting point is 00:48:16 But you shouldn't think of this as a sort of like lifetime goal job. It's just different. You're in there for a period of time. Fucking do your job. Do it well. If everybody likes it, they'll ask you to do it again. That's it. We treat it like it's a lifetime thing.
Starting point is 00:48:34 Like, oh, I'm going to be in common. I'm going to be in this for the rest of my life. Fuck you. Yeah. Fuck you. Term limits, man. I think that there is an argument to be made where you say, oh, well, I'm trying to make sure that the vote in the future is something that can, you know,
Starting point is 00:48:47 maybe sustain me in that and then in that vote very specifically means that I'm, voting, that I am voting or using my power to make it so that the people, most people are happy in my district. But sometimes people can be happy, but they can be wrong, right? So I think that's a really important distinction is that you, as somebody who's a moral leader of the people, need to look out and say, there is something immoral happening. Whether the people in my district would revote me in because of that, that's irrelevant. I need to do the moral thing right now. The moral thing is not injure more people, not hurt more people, slow ice down so it doesn't have the kind of funding that it needs to continue to hurt the American people all across the country.
Starting point is 00:49:32 Because it's not hurting immigrants. It's hurting the American people who are all across this country. So I think that if you do, even if your yokels that would vote you in are happy that you decided to do this, I don't care. And you shouldn't care either. You should make a a choice and say, I'm going to do the important thing, the moral thing, the right thing to make sure that this group doesn't get any funding, whether my constituency agrees with me or no. And isn't that the, like, again, like this is the job you beg, borrowed, and pleaded to get. Yeah. You asked, I would like to make difficult moral choices.
Starting point is 00:50:11 That's what you asked for. You don't really put you in this spot, man. Yeah. You don't get in this spot. You don't trip upwards into this spot. No. You have to work to get there. Yep.
Starting point is 00:50:21 You know, there's no way I can handle a cage, man. I don't care. You got to go down. It's got to be that. I'm going to go to jail and I'll pay and Johnny, Utah, get this guy. Right? That's real good. So NBC News, after Republicans pushed Clintons to testify in Epstein, Democrats warned they'll haul in Trump.
Starting point is 00:50:54 Democrats say Republicans have set a precedent with subpoenas of an ex-president and First Lady. We'll follow it. Donald Trump, all of his kids, everybody. Representative Maxwell Frost said. First of all, I want to just start off by saying, I wish the Supreme Court had made a different choice about immunity. I don't think that the immunity necessarily would apply if there was like bad behavior because it may not be
Starting point is 00:51:18 behavior that took place while they were in office. And I think the immunity only qualifies while presidents are in office. It has to be an official act. Right. So I think that would be very difficult. I do think it'll still be probably, used as a shield even though it doesn't apply. Because if there's any way for them to use it as a shield, they will.
Starting point is 00:51:38 If fucking Bill Clinton did something wrong, let's figure it out. Let's throw him under the fucking bus. Let's burn his fucking house down. Let's fucking bury him forever. Fuck that guy. Fuck all of them. If they had an association with Epstein, if they were on that island fucking kids or fucking exploiting people, yeah, man, I want to know.
Starting point is 00:51:59 And I want to burn their house down around them. and I want to do the same thing for absolutely everybody. Doesn't matter how you vote. Yeah, I think that that has been the rallying cry from every single Democrat I've ever heard talk about this. I've never heard anybody say, well, this person's protected. Well, this special boy can be okay because this one's the special one. No, I think everybody says, it doesn't matter who it is. Yep.
Starting point is 00:52:24 If you were part of this group, if you were in cahoots with this group, then that's just fucking how it works. You get caught. But I think what's really interesting about this particular story is there's a threat by Democrats on this that are saying, if you bring the president,
Starting point is 00:52:42 the previous president here, because we asked the president to come in before. They had asked Trump to come in to talk about January 6th and after. And he refused. He refused to come in
Starting point is 00:52:53 and they didn't subpoena him. They initially refused. The Clinton's initially refused to come in. They said, we're not going to come in. And they said, okay, well, we will subpoena you. And then they would have faced some sort of charges.
Starting point is 00:53:03 Right. So they basically broke the seal that said, you can subpoena ex-presidents. Right. That's a real big deal. That means, and they're saying, if Trump ever gets out of office and he's still alive, there's going to be Democrats who are going to subpoena him now. Because you've now broken the seal on this. You're the one who busted the filibuster or whatever.
Starting point is 00:53:25 You're the one who did the thing that made it so now it's okay to do. before it was unspoken, don't do it. Now it's everything's game. And so this is the piece. I'm actually super happy about that. I would love to see them subpoena Trump. And then if he doesn't show up, make him so he goes to jail. I think that would be amazing.
Starting point is 00:53:46 I think that's awesome. I think that they should. You know, Congress needs to get its fucking groove back. Yeah, right. Yeah. It needs to be a force that does this sort of thing. I wish that they would have. and I think they're still in talks
Starting point is 00:53:59 to try to decide this, that they're going to do it actually like a public question and answer session, right? A public hearing. Because right now they're talking about just getting deposed behind closed doors.
Starting point is 00:54:11 And then they'll be able to leak out whatever kind of information they want in that particular thing. But if you do it open book where it's in front of everybody, that's a totally different experience. I personally hope that that anybody who's involved in this
Starting point is 00:54:27 has to eat all the shit that they decided to try to hide behind the door in the past. Absolutely, man. And I don't think anybody disagrees with that. The only people who I see him disagree with that are the people who are trying to protect Trump. That's the only people. Dude, I see the same thing. It's people on the right who are like, well, but Trump. I've never met anybody in our side of the camp who's like, yeah, fucking we should protect
Starting point is 00:54:50 that guy. No, man. Like, we should also not worry about investigating people, right? Because an honest investigation should, and again, I presuppose an honest investigation. I know you did say that very specifically. Right. An honest investigation should like exonerate people who have not done evil shit, right? And honestly, look at some of the political persecutions that Trump has attempted
Starting point is 00:55:12 that have failed miserably. His attempted persecution of one of the Fed members, Lisa Cook, failed miserably. Comey. Comey. Failed miserably. There's been a number of these. There was another one I think I sent you this week where they were like, yeah, we can't do anything with this.
Starting point is 00:55:30 There's no evidence. If there's no evidence, this stuff falls apart. So like, let's investigate. Let's not shield anybody from investigation. Awesome. Hey, man, if you were here, if you were talking to this guy's, guys are fucking creep. Let's go find out what you did.
Starting point is 00:55:43 Yeah. Awesome. Giving you back your admitting form, Leo, to save you any embarrassment. Embarrassing. Catherine, you have been duped by a textbook narcissists, brilliant sociopath. Brilliant enough to dupe my entire staff. I doubt that.
Starting point is 00:56:01 This story's from the Hill. Trump says country should move on from Epstein files after the latest release. Three million pages of sloppily redacted documents. Plenty of victims were outed in this additional release. Three million pages. They did say there's three million more pages that are just not coming out. They're like, yeah, we're done setting stuff. And now Trump's like, stop looking.
Starting point is 00:56:24 at it. Yeah, he doesn't like this. No. He really doesn't like this. And I want to, one thing that is bothering me about this whole thing, especially if I, you know, as someone who sees comments and sees things online, one thing that's really bothering me about the Epstein release is that people think that because it was in this trunch of documents that was released, that it's true,
Starting point is 00:56:46 that it's a real thing that happened. And a lot of the stuff that was released and a lot of the really salacious stuff that has come out has been, These are tip line comments coming in from certain places. The stuff you want to pay attention to are the times that people are actually deposed when they're under oath and they have to say these things and lying is a penalty. Right. That's an important time to pay attention to the things that are said. Things that are passed between emails often, sometimes could be jokes, sometimes could be not the thing that you're thinking.
Starting point is 00:57:18 I do think that there is reasons to look at some of the email stuff. but then there's other things that are literally just someone's psychosis is sending something in. And then that that is getting a ton of traction now as if it was a real thing. I'm seeing, you know, multiple tip line forms that are flying around the internet that are just tips. There's just somebody who called into a thing or sent an email to a thing. Just the tip is never impressive. It's like literally nothing, though. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:48 It's them just saying something like, Yeah, I saw Trump burying a baby in back of Epstein's yard or whatever. I don't know if I told this, so this story here, but on the other podcast, I do the No Rogan experience, people mistake us for Joe. And so they will send us Joe's email. That's so funny. So we'll get it both in our email account and through a form that we have online. And we very specifically say in the form, we're not related to Joe at all.
Starting point is 00:58:15 And this was before we even mentioned that we got it, we would just get people's psychosis. They would just send in the craziest time cube-like messages that are insane. And they're talking about all kinds of crazy paranoia stuff that's happening in their life or what they have or what they can offer Joe. And it's just genuine, it's rubbish. There's nothing there. It's just them being crazy. And I think people are mistaking things they want to be true about what's happened with Epstein for documents that have no grain of truth in them whatsoever. I'm not saying that any of the stuff that gets sent in isn't true.
Starting point is 00:58:54 I'm just saying I don't see any reason to believe it until something more than a tip line comes in about it. Yeah, well, I think what's important to do is an investigation and properly vet the information. One of the problems with an information dump of this size, to your point, is it's going to have good information, bad information, missing information, and everything else in between. and then a fucking bunch of armchair detectives are going to pour through, again, three million pages. That's like two Russian literature novels. You know, there's an immense...
Starting point is 00:59:27 It's like part two Dostoevsky. Right, yeah, exactly. It's like Anna Karenina and then like brothers Karamazov. You know, like it's an immense amount of stuff nobody's going to read. It's just huge. It's so big that the New York Times had to build their own tools,
Starting point is 00:59:43 specific, like proprietary tools to search this information out, to go through it and to try to, because you can't, three million pages, you can't even dig into it properly. And then all of the claims within it, they should all be properly investigated. All of them. The work has not begun, and it's certainly not done just because this information is out.
Starting point is 01:00:05 Because some of the information's garbage and some of it's good. Also, I was listening to a podcast this morning. one of the things that makes this particularly difficult is one of the things we know is true about Jeffrey Epstein is he's an enormous liar and a manipulator. And so that guy's going to lead other people and him down a garden path. And if you just follow it blindly,
Starting point is 01:00:28 he may be sending these things out to people as a way to manipulate other people. We've got to be very careful about making sure that true things are true. And the way you do that is with a cautious, careful, and thorough investigation by impartial third parties. That's how you do that.
Starting point is 01:00:43 The problem, of course, is that with Trump being implicated in these things, you'll never get that out of this administration. It's never going to happen. It's never going to happen. You have to have somebody after this, hopefully break into all the documents, see all the redactions, and then make decisions on what they can show to other people, and then make those investigations with those third party people like you suggest.
Starting point is 01:01:06 You'd have to do that. But I don't know that it'll ever happen. I don't think it's going to happen either. will ever happen. I think it's what it shows to me when I saw all these documents and all the back and forth is that a lot of these people
Starting point is 01:01:19 that are involved in this are all really chummy. They're all really chummy together. Or at least that's how it appears in some of these emails. One of my favorite pieces is Elon getting rejected to the party. I don't know if you saw this. I didn't see that. I heard him begging to be invited.
Starting point is 01:01:35 He sends a message that says, hey, I just want to let you know I'm sort of free. And then the way he writes it is he starts out the message with Hello, good sir! And then he writes his message and then he says, I'd love to come down to one of your parties.
Starting point is 01:01:50 And then he puts in parentheses, Girls, for the win! Oh my God. And you're just saying, oh my God, what a nerd. And then the best part, the very best part about this whole thing is he writes this fucking goofy,
Starting point is 01:02:02 stupid email. And you can see it get forwarded from Epstein to Maxine to Maxxie. And it just says deal with this. And then Maxwell doesn't bother to delete the deal with this part. Oh my God.
Starting point is 01:02:21 Amazing. Sends it back to him that says, yeah, we've been closed. We basically closed down the operation for the year. We won't be around. Little St. James doesn't have people coming around anymore. So, oh my God. They open it up again. We'll keep you in mind.
Starting point is 01:02:32 She didn't even bother to delete the threat. She said, don't call us. We'll call you. And she didn't bother to delete the deal with this. That's fucking great. so fucking good. Oh my God. It's so good. And they're roasting this shit out of Elon Musk about it, which is great. Good. Which is fucking great. Good. Is a piece of shit. And again, I think absolutely you should be paying attention to groups of people like this that are in some way very, very close and tight knit
Starting point is 01:02:59 that are sending messages back and forth that look suspicious. Absolutely. Look at it. I don't disagree. It's investigated. I don't disagree. I think you absolutely should. And if there is something there, awesome if you uncover it and awesome if you make those people pay. I'm happy if that's the case. I just want to caution people to be careful that thinking that every single thing that gets released and this is somehow true, that it's a real thing that happened. Because like you suggest, Jeffrey's giant fucking dead liar. And there's a lot of people out there who were just sending in tips and random stuff and it could be a troll, it could be nothing. It could be a very insane person who's sending things in, you don't know.
Starting point is 01:03:40 Yeah, I think one of the takeaways that I think is important to have around here too, though, is that we can't necessarily know yet what, if any, criminal activity occurred. But I think we can look at this and know who the misogynists are. Absolutely. And I think we don't do a good job in this country of holding misogynist feet to the fire the same way we do, racist, for example. So if a treasure trove of documents were uncovered that were as racist as these documents are misogynist, people would be beyond, beyond. But we have internalized such a sort of normative amount of misogyny in this country that we're comfortable with a certain amount of it.
Starting point is 01:04:26 Like there's a level that you're just like, yeah, but I mean, we just have to have a zero tolerance on that, right? Like, if you have a zero tolerance for bigotry and racism, there's no reason misogyny gets its own lesser category. And you can look at these documents and say, like, hey, like, I don't know if Peter Attia did anything with young girls or not, but I know he's a piece of shit. He is a bad person. Because the other true fact is you cannot be a misogynist than a good person any more than you can be a racist than a good person. So you can say with 100% confidence that maybe he's not criminally culpable. We'll figure that out. But is he a decent human being?
Starting point is 01:05:08 No. And you can see that with a lot of different people. And there's a lot of these guys. A lot of those guys. So we know who the assholes are. Yeah, yeah. All right, that's going to wrap it up for this week. We're going to be back with a funny show on Thursday,
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