Cognitive Dissonance - Episode 916: Christian Wife Schools

Episode Date: May 20, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This episode of Cognitive Dissinence is brought to you by our patrons. You fucking rock. Be advised that this show is not for children, the faint of heart, or the easily offended. The explicit tag is there for a reason. From Glory Hole Studios in Chicago and beyond, this is Cognitive Dissinence. Every episode to be blasted anyone who gets in our way. We bring critical thinking, skepticism, and irreverence to any topic that makes the news, makes it big or makes us mad.
Starting point is 00:00:58 It's skeptical. It's political. And there is no welcome at. Today is Thursday, May the 12th. And we're doing some evergreen stories right now. Cecil, I think it's good actually that we do evergreen stories because we've got a trend brewing. I know we really do. And my dude, the trend is this.
Starting point is 00:01:18 We record on a Thursday. We release on a Monday. And in the gap between Thursday and Monday, The world just seismically fucking shifts every single time. We're actually in June going to shift our recording date to Fridays. And not for any reasons that are show related, but I was just thinking like, well, good. That gives us one less business day for catastrophe. Because like we're doing this like weird fucking podcast tarot card bullshit.
Starting point is 00:01:48 It's so good. Everything's the tower, right? Every card is the fucking tower. You're like, oh, tower, tower, tower. Yeah, and then there's just one plane that flies into all of them. It's just like, no, but I think the reason why is because, and it's not just us, right, it's every single person out there who's trying to understand the media landscape. The reason why it does this is because our lives and the media and politics have never been
Starting point is 00:02:19 this chaotic in our entire life. Right. It's just every, you introduce every chaos agent you can to the political landscape. And what you're going to wind up with is a ton of explosions and a ton of people trying to figure out why this is happening and they're going to be making rash decisions. And that's essentially what's happening, right? Is that is that you have this current administration. They can't find their ass with two hands, but they sure is shit will do stuff.
Starting point is 00:02:46 Yeah, yeah. What you hope for is dummies not to do stuff. But these are confident dummies. And confident dummies, that's. the worst kind of dummy because they will go out and they'll just do shit. So they look at Iran and they say, well, let's fucking attack that
Starting point is 00:03:01 shit. Let's just go for it. And every other president, even the dumbest of our presidents, we're like, wait a minute. No, no, probably not a good idea. Let's not do that. Let's see what we can do. Maybe we'll get a negotiation. Maybe we'll just put sanctions on them. Maybe we'll figure something else out. This group
Starting point is 00:03:17 of dummies just thought, well, fuck it. Just go for it. And they've done that throughout the entire presidency. you're not going to stop doing that. And the other thing it does is it emboldens the other underdummies. So the underdummies are all. The underdummies are all. They're all emboldened now.
Starting point is 00:03:33 And so now you just have like a dummy cascade across the, it's like a dummy tsunami. And it's every day. It's every day there's a new dummy tsunami. I am, first of all, I don't know what I'm going to do with the phrase underdummies, but it's something. Like, I don't know if it's going to be a shirt or a website or. a website full of shirts or a tattoo. But like under dummies is now part of my life.
Starting point is 00:03:58 I love that. So like something occurs to me. We'll talk about the stories. I promise guys. But like something occurs to me, Cecil, it's like I wonder any more. We start off the show. What do we say?
Starting point is 00:04:08 It's skeptical. It's political. Right. But like I wonder at this point if there is like, is it possible to have a discussion of the study of politics without also having a discussion that is the study of media? Like can I don't feel like. we can pull those things apart anymore the way that we used to. Yeah. Well, I also don't think that you can
Starting point is 00:04:28 you can take skeptical out of political discussions anymore either. I think, sure, should you have always been skeptical of how politicians treat the world and how they communicate with us, the things that they are and aren't doing? Yeah, you should have always been skeptical of that stuff. But we're at a level now where the administration will literally look you in the face and tell you something that you can, they'll be like, that thing isn't on fire and it is literally on fire and people are hosing it down and there's more trucks coming. And then they're like dropping plane folds of water on it. And they'll be like, it's not up, but it's not on fire. They will literally lie to your face. Yeah. Yeah. So, so we need to be, you know, ever vigilant now, way more than we
Starting point is 00:05:14 ever had to be in the past. And, and the thing is, what I always thought was, is like, you know, they always say if if if you show like a lie sunlight or whatever it'll burn it away or whatever that right whatever the idea is you know like opening a shedding light on things is what but it's like these people are like put a spotlight I don't fucking care I will literally lie to you that is the true is true like it's so funny that the the sort of like the the anti authoritarian anti-oppression anti sort of disinformation uh tools that made sense again like I don't think you can pull these apart in a different media landscape that worked when the media landscape was slower and more, for lack of a better term, literary, they worked fine. I really do think that those were
Starting point is 00:06:01 like smart, good answers. And now they're just, they don't work, right? They're just not, what we find is that they, they don't have the effect that they used to have. And so what we don't have instead is like a new catchphrase that also encompasses what you do next, you know? And it's like, It's why we've talked recently, like, you know, so do we start becoming conspiracy theorists to fight their conspiracy theorists? Like, what do you do at some point? It's like, all we have is fires and we're just like throwing, it's a fucking wizard fight, man. Sure, man. Everybody's just shooting fucking magic spells out of wands and seeing which dragon fights better in the air.
Starting point is 00:06:37 It's fucking bonkers now, man. And it's a confluence of not just media, but it's also a confluence of really unethical people who realize that they could be unethical. and there's no punishment to that. Right. There's no downside if you're in the government and being unethical. There is no downside. Now, there used to be, it used to be that there was a downside, that if you did anything, even remotely gauche, you were rejected from politics for literally ever.
Starting point is 00:07:05 I mean, fucking, whatever that, Dean, whatever his name is Howard Dean or, Howard Dean's, Howard, Howard Dean's, Howard Dean's, Howard Dean's a referee in the UFC. So it's not Howard Dean. Herb Dean is the referee. Herb Dean is Howard. Maybe it is not Howard Dean. I don't know. Would it be great if Howard Dean did his thing and then Herb Dean tackled him? Oh, it would be amazing.
Starting point is 00:07:25 Or if every time he called a fight, he did that. That would be awesome too. But in any case, his name was Dean. Right. And all he did was just make a sound weird. People threw him out of politics. And, you know, there was weeks of controversy over a color of suit that Obama chose to wear. there are things that you could do in politics back then
Starting point is 00:07:47 that would literally wash you out of politics forever. And now there is no, like that bar, that bar is down where those people blew up in the sub. Right? It's as far down as the sub that blew up. Yeah, man, it's a titan for sure. It is a titan. Yeah, like it used to be that like even like personal,
Starting point is 00:08:09 uh, moral scandals that could sink a politician. Sure. Oh, they discovered like, you know, this senator has a mystery. And now it's like the president's like, yeah, fucking sexually assault bitches. And we're just like, yeah, like, I hang out with this pedophile on an island. And here's a birthday book where I drew on a young lady's pubs. And anyway, I got like three wives and 40 kids and I'm fucking a porn star that looks like my daughter. And everyone's like, yeah, boys will be boys.
Starting point is 00:08:35 Buy Trump coin. By Trump coin. Like, I don't even know what somebody in their personal life would have to do to have a scandal now. I don't even know what that means. It's so funny when you mentioned mistress and the first thing that popped in my head is most recently, there's like a mistress, and it wasn't a mistress,
Starting point is 00:08:53 it was somebody's wife who they had married, and then they were just like, here's a bunch of gold bars. Yes. Like at this point, like a mistress is quaint, Tom. It's like adorable. If somebody just has a mistress,
Starting point is 00:09:07 everybody's like, oh, he's not fucking raping kids. Right. Adorable. what I recall is there was a moment in the first Trump presidency where we were watching a guy
Starting point is 00:09:23 I think his name is last name is Dilly and Dillie was talking about how he didn't give a shit whether something was true as long as it as long as it hurt the other side and help my side I don't fucking care
Starting point is 00:09:34 and I think like there's a lot of people that that is the quiet part out loud there's a lot of people out there who don't give a shit They don't care whether they're telling you something true or untrue. They just care that your eyeballs are on them and that you do the things that they tell you to do so that the things that they want to have happen, the people who they want to see empower,
Starting point is 00:09:57 the way in which money flows in our economy, et cetera, et cetera, are all come true. So they don't care how that happens. Literally, the method doesn't matter. It's the results. It's the end that matter. It's so funny because I think of that episode a lot. I really do because you and I were both blown away. I remember this so clearly.
Starting point is 00:10:20 Like I wish I could even find the episode. You and I were both like, I can't believe somebody would say out loud. I'm willing to just say untrue things as long as they get me the result. Because that, sure. Like up to a certain point, you sort of knew in the background that that was happening,
Starting point is 00:10:35 but you had to hide it really well and you want to get caught doing it. And like, so to come out and just openly espouse a policy of just being like, yeah, the truth doesn't matter anymore. I remember being like, well, is everybody hearing this? We were both blown away by that. It's that guy who's like, and that's so like, yeah, fucking passee now, you know, it's just like, oh, who's Tom worried about true facts?
Starting point is 00:10:59 Brer. It's like, it's fucking quaint. I feel Amish right now. I feel like I should throw away every zipper in my house and churn a butter. And then just like squeeze your arms, your heart so all your vaccine shoot out. You just like squeeze them. Go kill a. barn full of puppies like a fucking weird
Starting point is 00:11:15 old. Tom would lift that barn though by himself. Like everybody else would be struggling. Tom would just lift it on his own. The Wyoming folk, well they're okay, I guess. Just confused like the rest of us. But Nazis always pissed us off.
Starting point is 00:11:33 There were a few Nazi punks in town. Now I don't know what the fuck these guys wanted. They had the shaved heads and were the stupid little armbands. I mean, rebellion is one thing that I understood. But there are some things that are just sacred. Not to mention the anarchy, a systemless society, which is what I wanted, no government, no rules. Well, that was a complete opposite of Nazi fascism. So we kicked the shit out of these kids every chance we could.
Starting point is 00:11:57 And that was that. This story comes from The Guardian. A husband expects a yes. How wife's schools are shaping submissive Christian women. This is a fairly lengthy article and is a really interesting article. the subheading is a cottage industry of women are selling courses aligned with a conservative movement that claims feminism is the source of women's discontent. Fucking yikes this shit is taking off in a way that like the right has figured out,
Starting point is 00:12:29 I think most importantly, how to monetize. There is. And like I want to start off with saying like I think it is perfectly legitimate for people to look at the options in a late capitalist society and say these don't. suit me, I don't like this. That is an entirely different complaint. Well, it's a reasonable complaint that the right has decided to sell a really regressive solution to, right?
Starting point is 00:12:57 The solutions to that, progressive solutions to the problem of late stage capitalism and the way that it like dehumanizes all of us and like it ultimately reduces us to a value that is assigned to a work product that we produced and all of that stuff. Like, there are progressive solutions to that. But what I think is interesting is that the right is offering these deeply regressive, traditionalist solutions, and then they're packaging them up right back into late stage capitalism to sell back to these women. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:29 Yeah. I think exactly it. I think we, one of the things that you hear a lot from the anti-feminist crowd is that feminism is making it so women can't stay at home. And that's just not true. What feminism does is it allows a choice other than staying at home. It's not saying, it's not mandating that you have to leave the house and you can't be the person who takes care of children or just stays at home and takes care of the home or however,
Starting point is 00:13:59 your particular relationship decides what your duties are and they aren't. What feminism does is it gives women the option to not just do the one thing that they've been able to do forever, which is stay at home. raise kids, take care of the house. That was sort of the woman's job for a long time in many, many patriarchal societies, and ours was no different for a very, very long time. And now there's an option. If you don't want to do that, you can do other shit.
Starting point is 00:14:30 You could be like, hey, you know what I don't want to do? And actually, like, I know people in my life, not just one, but multiple people in my life that they had children and the man decided, I'm going to stay home because the woman was raising more money at that point than they were. And they couldn't afford the child care. And they just made the decision that they're going to be the stay at home dad. And that happened in multiple people that I know is life. I know, gosh, four or five of these people who were like, hey, I'm not making as much money as my wife is. I'm going to trade it off and just stay at home. And these aren't lazy people or whatever.
Starting point is 00:15:10 You know, these are people who just made a decision on who was going to do it. I also know other people who, like, they had the lucky option of one of them not having to work. And so they made the decision on who's going to be at home and it happened to be the woman. And that just happened. Like, it's okay if that's what everybody agrees on. But the problem is, is that if you demonize this so much and they spend, there are time demonizing as much as possible, what you wind up with is a bunch of people who misplace the blame. And they'll say things like, well, it's feminism's fault that women can't
Starting point is 00:15:45 stay home anymore. And it's like, no, it's capitalism's fault that one person can't comfortably stay home and you can't decide who that is. That's capitalism's fault. And it's the patriarchy's fault that we push those duties onto women all the time. Whether they work or not, too, by the way, that's the other big thing is that whether or not, women work or not, often they wind up doing a lot of the work at home in a lot of relationships. And that is something, too, that is pushed off on people. And then they have this idea that it's the thing that is doing this is feminism. No, what's allowing you to notice that it's an unequal is feminism.
Starting point is 00:16:24 That's what is the reason why you're unhappy is because somebody said, hey, that's not equal. And they happen to be a feminist. Yeah. Well, like, there's a couple of things that, like, I want to, I want to yes and to that. Like the, for most Americans, by the numbers, the single income household is an economic unicorn. It is very, very difficult. Like, remember that the median income for a family of four in the United States right now is
Starting point is 00:16:53 somewhere in the neighborhood of $76,000 a year for a family of four, for the entire household. When you look at the way that that compares with the rising costs of health care, housing, education, childcare, you know, these sort of like inelastic elements
Starting point is 00:17:11 of your economic and financial life, like the things that are not, you don't have options not to have. People just have enormously less money right now. The number of people
Starting point is 00:17:25 that can survive off of a single income home that have kids is, it's low. It's low. So almost everybody, like the 24% of American households with kids are single parent households.
Starting point is 00:17:38 And then I think it's something I was just looking at this the other day. Like of the remaining households, it's somewhere around 65% of those are dual income households. So when you put those numbers together, there's actually not a lot of single income households with kids. Because economically, it's just fucking hard. It doesn't match what we know about the median income and the requirements for homeownership or housing or health care,
Starting point is 00:18:03 child care, et cetera. The pushback where everybody is like where some people are saying, hey, like my choices actually are not what I thought they would be. I don't actually have the choices that feminism promised me, right? I don't actually have the choice to choose to stay with family for a certain period of time or choose to go into the workforce. I'm just forced into the workforce. That's true. Economically, that's true. That's not true because of feminism like you're saying. That's true because capitalism and wage inequality. Like that's the reason that that has happened. Wage inequality has demanded that the cost of living has risen in such a way that like
Starting point is 00:18:43 everybody has to work. But the other reality is that even in homes where both parties work full time, women still burdened disproportionately with the vast majority of the housework. So the Treadwife expectation from the right is still very much. You know, get a job, earn some money, contribute financially, but also you're still doing all the work of childcare or the vast majority of it and all are the vast majority of the housework. Well, that sucks, right? Like, how is that anything?
Starting point is 00:19:17 Like, if I, if my job is, is to wake up and go to work and your job is to wake up and go to work. But then your other job is to do all the work that used to be considered a full-time expectation if you didn't have a full-time job. now you're working two full-time jobs, and I'm working one. Sure. And that is traditionalism wrapped up in the dual-income household economic model, right? And all it does is hurt women.
Starting point is 00:19:43 Yeah. This like these schools that were from this article, they're really talking about ways to create a deeper level of financial, like, indebtedness to the man in the equation, to the man in the, it's sort of. like creating a sort of micro indentured servitude at the household level is really what it's doing. I think about this a little bit sometimes to get, I'll just get real personal for a second. So in our household, we have what a lot of people would consider a traditional arrangement. And we have it for a few reasons. But like, so I provide all the financial resources for our household. And Haley does not work.
Starting point is 00:20:27 And that works for us. but like I fully recognize and say out loud and even talk explicitly to the kids that like this is an incredibly vulnerable situation for my wife to be in. It's incredibly dangerous for her to be in. And I actually tell the kids, I don't want you doing this on either end of the transaction, right? Like as you grow up, whether you're, you know, the man in the relationship or the woman in the relationship, whether you're the provider, whether you're, I don't want anybody to be in this. sort of position you see modeled at home. It's dangerous. It's really dangerous for Haley. I have all the control and power. And that only works because I like to think of myself as a
Starting point is 00:21:09 moral and trustworthy person that she can place her faith and trust into. But like, that's not a lot of these relationships, man, because they're like being built. They're being built on an entirely different foundation that teaches subservience first. If you have a subservience first model, and this financial indentured servitude at this micro-familial level, like that is just, all that is is just creating a kind of serfdom. That's what that is.
Starting point is 00:21:41 That's creating a gender-based serfdom. It's fucking scary. And then they've monetized this shit by selling courses. So they're just like, hey, you don't have to work. By the way, my job is to teach you about how you don't have to work.
Starting point is 00:21:55 I work, though, by selling you this shit. Yeah. So, like, they're also lying. It's obvious if you pay attention that they're obviously lying to you about trying to say that what your traditional role is is to do this thing, which is basically be subservient to her husband. It's like, well, then why isn't a guy teaching me this? Right. Like, why are you to, it should be a guy sitting in front of me. It shouldn't be a lady who's telling me this stuff. If the lady is deferring all of her actions to what men think, then it should be, you know, it should be the men who are,
Starting point is 00:22:28 the one who are telling you, but of course not. It's not. It's a woman who's telling you all this stuff. And thank you, feminism, for allowing that woman to be a self-starter like that. That's great. I mean, there's a, you know, there's a, I want to touch on something you said because it's true. It's not just economic subservience. It's also just deference in everything. It's deference in every decision.
Starting point is 00:22:53 They are teaching people to not push back against their husbands. I want to read part of this. It's literally one of the first, I think it's the first paragraph for the whole thing. The woman speaks of a friend, a married mother. Now, this is a person who's in this lady's class. The woman speaks of a friend, a married mother who is frustrated
Starting point is 00:23:10 that she had to constantly remind her germophile husband to wash his hands. Hearing this, the woman cautioned her friend. I think it would be better for your entire family to get black plague and die than for you to continue treating your husband like a toddler by reminding him to wash his hands. I mean, like, look, you can, if you can't even talk to your partner to have a conversation about something.
Starting point is 00:23:36 And sometimes those things are not great things to talk about. They're difficult things. There's issues you have to talk to them about, you know, things that might annoy you, things that might make you upset, et cetera, et cetera, things that you see them doing that might eventually lead to, you know, more strain on your relationship. so you've got to nip it in the butt or whatever. Teaching them just to say, I'm not going to do anything to try to push back against my husband, means the husband gets everything they've ever wanted.
Starting point is 00:24:07 And then one of the things that they say in this article is they talk to guys in this article. They start talking to the guys. They start doing surveys to these men. And what they find when they talk to these men who are in these relationships and who are in these sort of trad wife traditional relationships with these ladies, they find out that the men resent the woman, think that they're lazy, but also know that they're there to cater to them
Starting point is 00:24:41 and to be because they need physical and emotional intimacy. So they realize that this is the tradeoff, but they resent them for it. So even if you do, do all these things, become subservient, roll the carpet out, do whatever they want. They talk extensively about, like, in a lot of ways, non-consensual sex in this article. And if you, even if you do all that stuff, you still can wind up with somebody who resents you for it. So, like, there's no, there is no benefit whatsoever to the people who are involved in this transaction on the female side.
Starting point is 00:25:19 None, none whatsoever. No. Yeah, dude, it's a no win. you see this online all the time. It's such an incredible hypocrisy and no-win situation, right? These women are damned if they do and damned if they don't, and they're not allowed to don't. Like, there's so many dudes who are like,
Starting point is 00:25:37 oh, like women don't, you know, have to pay for anything. All they have to do is, like, you know, you see this like MRI lines all the time, you know. Women have social, sexual, sexual value just by stint of existing. And, you know, men have to do all the work and all the labor. And it's like, okay, but, like, that's, I don't, first of all, that's nonsense. So, like, set aside the fact that that's nonsense.
Starting point is 00:25:57 But, like, let's assume that that is the worldview you take. Then if the woman is like, all right, well, awesome. So if the value that I provide is this traditionalist value, then you should value it. But what these men are saying is, I don't really value it. Everything you do and contribute is a less than contribution. And of course it is. Because as long as it's a less than contribution, then what these dudes get is they're bang made.
Starting point is 00:26:22 Because that's what they're actually after. They want a bang made. They want to do two things at one time, right? They want to make sure that women cook form, clean form, raise the kids and service them sexually. At the same time, they want to make sure that they don't have to compete with them in the economic workforce. So if they can accomplish all of those things and keep women financially in this position of servitude, but also in this emotional position where everything that they contribute is never going to stack up to whatever. he contributes. Because like the other truth of living in a hyper-capitalist society is he who
Starting point is 00:26:58 creates the resources values most the resources. So nothing else is as valuable in a capitalist society as the dollars you bring in the door. Everything else serves the dollars, right? And like, I will say like to some degree, I understand that element. And like, it's wrong not to challenge it on a personal level. But like I will also say that I think about this sometimes as the only breadwinner financially in our home. It creates a pressure, right, where I'm like, okay, like everything has to serve the job. Because without the job, you don't go to college.
Starting point is 00:27:40 And without the job, the lights don't stay on. So like, it does funnel all of the sort of like hierarchy of energy in the household toward the job. but we're not recognizing that the funneling is to the job. What we're recognizing what the guys that are supporting the tradwife thing they're doing is they're funneling all of that to them. Sure. They're misunderstanding the assignment, right? The thing is that capitalism requires that all of that energy serves the job.
Starting point is 00:28:07 But what they're saying is all that energy serves me. Yep. Because I hold the job. Yeah. And so I hold the power. And like that that is just that's just so fucking incredibly dangerous. The thing that you read too, I want to like grab hold up real quick. And I know this isn't really the whole thing.
Starting point is 00:28:24 But like, imagine a scenario where a guy needs to be told to wash his hands. I fucking, like, they teach you that in preschool. Sure. And this lady is being admonished because what she's really saying is like, hey, I have to do this emotional labor of effectively raising a grown-ass man as if he were not a grown-ass man. And she's being admonished for that, rather than admonishing the man for not understanding, like, hey, man, there's some basic fucking hygiene stuff that at this point in your life nobody should tell you you have to do. And like the very idea that somebody, anybody has to be like, hey, wash your hands. Like, what the fuck?
Starting point is 00:29:09 But women are constantly put in a situation where they have to perform a specific kind of emotional labor where they raise men. as if men were some kind of a child. How many times if like women said, or you've known a woman who said like, oh, ha, I've got five kids if you include, you know,
Starting point is 00:29:26 Kevin or my husband. Sure. You know, like it's a very common trope. It's a common trope because like, I think structurally, as long as men keep women in that position, sure.
Starting point is 00:29:37 It keeps them in that subservient role. Yeah. There's a, a part of this where they, the guardian asks the woman, you know, why she should be giving marriage advice because she lives a very different life
Starting point is 00:29:53 than other people. And she says, honestly, I think people should get marriage advice from people who are happily married themselves. And I just want to say, like, that's such bad thinking because relationships are so individual and they are so different relationship to relationship. I know plenty of happily married people
Starting point is 00:30:12 that I would never want their relationship at all. Like, I see their relationship from the outside. and I think, holy shit, I wouldn't want that. And I know plenty of people that are very happy in those relationships. Their relationship is awesome and they love it and they're enjoying it. And their interactions between the two of them is amazing, et cetera, et cetera. But for me, I'm just like, fuck you. I'd walk into the sea if that was my relationship.
Starting point is 00:30:35 So like relationships are super individual. And this person makes it seem like if you have a happy one, I can then tell anyone else how to have a happy relationship. and that is 100% false. It is so different relationship to relationship. What you're saying to everybody else is, I'm telling everyone I have a happy relationship. Nobody has any idea you have a happy relationship.
Starting point is 00:30:59 That's number one. But then number two, you're saying, I have the fix for everybody's. And that should immediately tell everybody who's like paying her money, her $17 a month course fee or whatever. That should tell everybody that she is just selling you basically it's multi-level marketing for fucking like trad wife shit that's all she's selling you
Starting point is 00:31:19 it's for your exact dude you that's perfect it's this fucking amway marriage shit it is exactly like that's something too i hadn't really thought about but i think like you couldn't be more right like they're trying to say there's a blueprint for how this thing works yeah and there's no blueprint there's no blueprint and like i don't know maybe just because of my personal situation but like I will say that I've never thought more and more carefully about relationships than when I got divorced. It forced me to like think about things in a really like intentional and structured way. And the conclusions that I came to were conclusions that were incredibly relevant to me. That's it.
Starting point is 00:32:01 Yeah. They were like, I was like, hey, like, here are all the things that I have been thinking about, things that like maybe I had not considered in a careful and structured way before. I think the idea that the only person who understands relationships to somebody who's been in a happy one is like kind of a fool. Like that's a foolish thing to think. Like, sure, you can get great advice from people who have been happily married their whole lives. You absolutely can. You can get great advice from somebody who's not in a relationship at all, but who has given it real structured, careful thought and consideration.
Starting point is 00:32:33 Sure. And then like all of that stuff is still not your blueprint. Like your blueprint is like, well, what are my needs? You know, like what are my emotional needs, my social needs, my financial needs, my financial needs, my sexual needs. Like, there's so many things that you have to think about. And the answers are always just yours. And these people are just like, no, it's a square peg. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:54 Just everything's a square peg. And by the way, you don't ever get to say no to him using your square or your round hole. Your round hole is always available to him. For sure. You are a lot-sided, cross-eyed, red-nosed, little butt-tooth, wrigglies extras. little prick. This story comes from the Atlantic. The FBI is reportedly investigating a leak to an Atlantic rioter. Sarah Fitzpatrick reported on concerns about Cash Patel's drinking and behavior, and now the FBI, shock of shocks, is digging into Sarah Fitzpatrick. So this is just
Starting point is 00:33:29 not supposed to be a thing. This is just straight up not supposed to be a thing. Journalists are supposed to be able to have sources, and then the government does not go after journalists for journalism. Like, that is not a thing that we've done. Yeah. What's that? It didn't used to. It didn't used to, man.
Starting point is 00:33:46 I mean, this is like some McCarthy era shit. Like this. And isn't it funny to be like, hey, like, remember we all read about McCarthyism and like we all kind of agreed that was bad? And now there's like a swing around where it's like, yeah, but like, was it though? What? You know, like this isn't the first time, I think that in our past, especially even our recent class, if you look at the past,
Starting point is 00:34:09 30 years, that there has been some sort of fight between journalism and the current politicians that are in power. And often the current politicians that are in power want to keep certain things away from, you know, certain secrets, certain ideas, certain things that are happening in government out of the public's ear, right? But in this case, this is literally just saying, is this person qualified and here's some shit they did? And they're trying to go, after these people for stuff that they are corroborating with multiple members of the FBI. I want to read part of this article because it's fucking amazing, man. How much of a fuck-up Cash Patel is.
Starting point is 00:34:50 God. So this is the other person who they went after because they had printed an article in the Washington Post. And this person got a Pulitzer Prize for, you know, reporting or whatever. But very specifically, they had printed an article about Cash Patel. And this person had interviewed more than two dozen. people about Patel's conduct, including current and former FBI officials, staff at law enforcement and intelligence agencies, hospitality industry workers, members of Congress, political operatives, lobbyists, and former advisors.
Starting point is 00:35:23 The article included several anecdotes about Patel that had not been previously reported, including an incident in which Patel struggled to log on to an internal computer system and thought he might have been fired. According to, Tom, according to nine people. familiar with what happened. Fitzpatrick also wrote that there was a concern across government about Patel's drinking, according to several officials who had been known to drink to the point of obvious intoxication. At one point last year, Patel's security detail requested breaching equipment because the director
Starting point is 00:36:01 had been unreachable behind locked doors, according to multiple people familiar with the request. But Cash Patel is so. such a fucking wreck of a human being. He's such a flaming wreck of a human being that even when he gets put in in this position of power, a very, very powerful position in our government, he can't help but be such an unbelievable fuck up that so many people that are under him are just like this guy is, he's always drunk. He's fucking, he's like hiding behind locked doors.
Starting point is 00:36:35 He can't even log in to a computer on the floor of the other. FBI. He's a mess. And for somebody to say, hey, other people that work with this guy think he's a mess. And then for you to weaponize the FBI against them, that's kind of bad, I think. That's a, that's a negative. Yeah, man. I love that the idea that, like, they're interviewing fucking, like, hospital. Like, they're interviewing fucking bartenders and shit, right? Like, this is just straight up reporting. This is how you do reporting. Exactly. And, like, somebody went out and did some reporting where they interviewed a bunch of people who've interacted with Cash Patel and now they're just like, you can't say things to just say true facts when they're
Starting point is 00:37:15 ugly about who I am as a weird wall-eyed person. You're just like, yeah, man, I can. And we do. And what I would hope sincerely, I kind of actually want this to happen. I sort of want, I sort of want them to try to bring a case. And I want that case to fucking blow up like so many these other grand jury attempts keep blowing up in their face. The Department of Justice has a bad track record right now. Yeah. They have tried on many occasions to indict, you know, these people that they are trying to go after and weaponize the Department of Justice, weaponize the justice system against their political opponents. And to a large degree, it is failing. That effort is failing. They are not getting their grand jury whatever. It's not going. It's not going to.
Starting point is 00:38:05 getting through the grand jury. They're not getting getting it past. These things are not actually going to go to trial. Forgot what it's fucking called. But like there's a saying like the grand jury will indict a sandwich, the indictment. That's the fucking word I was looking for. Like the grand jury will indictment. You know, and they still can't get an indictment. Yeah. For some of this stuff. Right. Is it a low bar is what I'm saying. Like the grand jury's a low bar. Sorry, that's a turkey with mayo on a wheat roll. There's no way. We're indicting that. Yeah. I like, they need to fail publicly, I guess is what I'm saying, right? Like because more.
Starting point is 00:38:37 Need to fail. More. More. More. And more publicly. It needs to be embarrassing and needs to be expensive. And then people that fail like Pam Bondi, they need to get fired. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:47 So that it creates this constant churn of ineptitude because it's that churn of ineptitude that's going to keep us that's going to like get us through the next three years. If God forbid somebody good and effective gets in charge, that's the last thing we want. Cash Patel is all. failed suing somebody. So this article is talking about how he wants to sue the Atlantic for saying, you know, that he's not drunk in his job and like often drunk and, you know, pretty bad at doing all of the things that would require him to be good.
Starting point is 00:39:21 Instead, he's, he's, you know, use. And, you know, the reason why this lady, this person who worked for the New York, or for the Washington Post was investigated, is because she reported on how Cash Patel was using the benefits of his office to, you know, for very personal reasons. So he was taking and sending a guard to guard his girlfriend using the jet to fly all over the place, et cetera, et cetera. And so those types of things were reported on, which they should be, right? This is obviously you not doing a good job. You are in a very high profile position looking like a frat boy.
Starting point is 00:40:03 and you mishandling all the the the the sort of resources of your position it's all it's all majorly negative right when we look back at uh all the other administrations if somebody if somebody did some of these things one of these things they'd have been fired immediately right they'd have done one of the things that he's done they did that someone would have said this looks real bad on you mr president need to get rid of this person and mr president wouldn't be a a senile crazy person So they would say, yeah, no, I should probably get rid of that guy. And then they would just get rid of them. And so, like, that would happen in the past.
Starting point is 00:40:37 There would be a pressure. The people outside would look and see someone is mishandling their, the resources of the job or they're drunk on the job or whatever they're doing. And then they would just get rid of them. But now, all these things can compound. But then he takes the office and he says, you know what, you looked into me. I'm going to send them to raid your home. Right. I mean, like, this is.
Starting point is 00:41:01 There is no way to look at this and not say that this isn't using your office to harass people. There's no way that a rational person can look at these acts and say, well, no, they're just like, that's what you do. Like, you know, you just, these people follow leads. It's like, no, you created this entire thing to essentially, severely, severely inconvenience someone else. You did it very specifically so you could intimidate them. And so you can chill the effect of journalism. That's genuinely what you're doing.
Starting point is 00:41:31 So these people are just a fucking mess, man. And it's, I wish that there was more comeuppance that would eventually come their way. I know that it won't happen. I know that we're not going to do it. I know that eventually Cash Patel's going to fucking drunkenly weave back into his podcast studio with his fucking monogram bourbon. And he's going to go talk to a bunch of other people. And he's going to podcast after all this is over.
Starting point is 00:41:58 And he's going to be the same guy he was before he. was before he took the job. There's not going to be any damage to him. His reputation isn't going to be changed at all because he never had one. It's not like he had a great reputation coming in. So it hasn't, it's not going to change. And he's basically going to do the same thing he's been doing forever. And there won't be any kind of, he won't suffer any consequences for misusing the office
Starting point is 00:42:19 and for attacking other people for this. And that's a real tragedy. It is. And I want to make sure that I recognize, like, it's yes, anding something you just said. but like I totally do recognize that it is an intentional strategy of chaos over convictions. Yeah. Right. If they create chaos and if they get a conviction, fine.
Starting point is 00:42:39 But like really what they want is the chaos. If they have the chaos and you're a reporter and you're like, yeah, look, I'm like reporters aren't rich people. They are like not well paid. Yeah. Wealthy people. These are people living like middle class lives 99% of the time. Right.
Starting point is 00:42:54 So like, you know, if you're just like some middle class person with a job working for the Guardian or working for the Atlantic or the New York Times and you've got a regular job as a journalist and you're like, well, I can't actually afford to defend myself against the United States Justice Department financially. And like I, you know, I don't want my home rated and I don't want my kids' lives turned upside down. I don't want my, you know, wife or husbands' business investigated. Like there's a, yeah, I'm going to take a different assignment. Yeah, man. You know, yeah, don't put me on that fucking beat. I don't want to do it. You know, there's very few people who are going to be able to stick their neck out in a way that says like,
Starting point is 00:43:33 yeah, because I think about myself sometimes. And I'm like, yeah, like if I was a journalist writing for the Atlantic and they were like, Tom, want you to write this story about Cash Patel, I'd like to be able to say that I would say yes, but I'll tell you, I would say no. I have way too much to lose. Maybe 20 years ago, I'd have said yes. 20 years ago, yeah, I'd been a different life position. I'd be like, yeah, all right, let's do it.
Starting point is 00:43:54 But at this point, and I think that's a calculus, no journalist should ever have. have to undertake. Yeah, for sure. The administrator is here, doctor. Switch everything on. Morning, gentlemen. Morning. Good morning. Oh, very impressive. Very impressive.
Starting point is 00:44:12 And what are you doing this morning? It's a birth. Ah, what sort of thing is that? Well, that's when we take a new baby out of a lady's tummy. Wonderful what we can do nowadays. Ah, I see you have the machine that goes, bing! This is my favorite. You see, we lease this back from the company we sold it to,
Starting point is 00:44:33 and that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account. Thank you, thank you. We try to do our best. We'll do carry on. This story is from ProPublica. Babies are bleeding to death as parents reject a vitamin shot given at birth. So that's the world we're in now, guys.
Starting point is 00:44:59 This is an essential vitamin K shot. It helps the body to. clot blood. It's one of three key interventions for newborns. I'm just reading the subheading right now, along with an antibiotic eye ointment and the Hep B vaccine. All of these things, all of these interventions, people are increasingly denying for their kids. They are rejecting the vitamin K shot. They are rejecting the antibiotic eye drop, and they are also rejecting the Hep B vaccine. The Hep B vaccine is actually under a lot of pressure right now institutionally, which is fucking completely insane.
Starting point is 00:45:32 Like, this is just a vitamin shot, man. That's what this is. And, like, they started doing this prophylactically at birth. And essentially, as soon as they started doing this prophylactically at birth many decades ago, like, this saves lives. Sure. This has an immediate life-saving impact. And there's no downside to it.
Starting point is 00:45:54 It's just, I really was thinking about this. And it's just the method of administration. because these are already fucking vitamin nuts, right? The people who are rejecting this stuff, they're probably already, they probably have a fucking something they refer to as a supplement stack. That's interesting, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:10 You know, and they probably are like, you know, taking co-Q-10 and fucking DHEA and like all kinds of like peptides and, you know, whatever. So these aren't people that don't believe in vitamins. What I think they are is people that don't trust doctors and don't believe in the administration of medicine through interventional needles. I think it's the method, man.
Starting point is 00:46:30 It's needle, bro. A jab. Yeah. I think you're right. I think there is some people think that them taking something orally is so different than them getting something shot into their body. And they think that their body just interacts with it and is such a different way that this is natural, that I'm putting it in and this is unnatural. You're putting it in my skin.
Starting point is 00:46:54 If you put it through my skin, then it is unnatural. natural for me to get that stuff. And these are natural people. These are people who think that, you know, we need to, you know, go back to nature. And nature is the thing that's the most important. This is one of those moments. And this is something just with vaccines. It's the same thing.
Starting point is 00:47:13 The reason why these people aren't doing it is because they don't see the horrors of not doing it. What they see is a bunch of healthy babies. They see a bunch of healthy babies all the time. All the babies that they see are reinful. forced is healthy because all the babies up until now have been getting this because this is one of those it's one of those shots i guess they explained in the article but essentially when a baby's born they don't have good blood-coding ability it's just not great for them and it doesn't really transfer from the mom to the baby very well and it also doesn't transfer after birth through breast
Starting point is 00:47:52 milk. So those things that just don't get this particular mineral and vitamin or whatever, and it doesn't allow them to clot blood as well. And babies will literally bleed to death if you don't do this. So it's important to do. It has like you say, no downside. The baby gets the thing, the baby survives. And then they wind up finding that these babies that don't get this stuff develop like some crazy shit can happen to them. They can get brain bleeds they can wind up with like a horrible uh you know they can die from bleeding out they
Starting point is 00:48:28 can get like crazy liver problems etc all these things can happen if they don't get these a couple of things that they have been getting for years and years and years and years and it's because we're a victim of our own success these people have no idea what it's like to live in a world without that stuff so they think well everything must be fine there's a part of this article that is so fucking infuriating. First off, this was a hard article to read. These are babies dying, man. This is like this baby didn't have a choice. It's not like the baby had a choice to where they wanted to be born. In fact, what happened is, is they got born to a bunch of stupid people who paid a lot of attention to stuff they shouldn't have fucking paid attention to. They listened to people. They
Starting point is 00:49:13 shouldn't have listened to. And then their baby died. And then they fucking, they still blame the fucking system and they still blame Big Pharma? They cannot, no matter what, roll that back and think, God, I fucked up hard on this one. There's a part of this article. I want to read. It says, it says on Facebook, comments about the shot include, don't do it, huge lie. This is scare tactic. One person wrote, never will I inject my baby with poisons from Big Pharma.
Starting point is 00:49:41 Families have also pointed to a 2023 episode about vitamin K shots by conservative podcaster Candice Owens who said, what Big Pharma is saying is that we realize that babies are born wrong. They don't have enough vitamin K. So we're going to give it to them. It's what they've always needed. And so what she's saying is that babies are born perfectly. And I remember having a conversation with a conservative member of my family, extended family. He's not part of my family, but extended family. And I remember having a conversation with them after a child was born
Starting point is 00:50:17 and it was their grandchild. And they're having a conversation with me and they said, you know, I looked around that room, looked around that birth and room, and I just see all these machines. And there's just machine after machine, after machine, after machine.
Starting point is 00:50:33 And I just saw dollar sign, dollar sign, dollar sign, all these machines in the living room. You don't need all those machines. And I'm thinking, And I thought to myself at the time, like, you know what you used to have to do to have five kids survive back in the day? You used to have to shit out 12 of them.
Starting point is 00:50:50 You used to have to shit out fucking twice as many kids as you thought would live because the kids just don't live past a certain point if you don't do some intervention. You think about all the babies throughout history that wind up dying because we have shitty, terrible medical care. And you look around this, and you're resentful of that stuff.
Starting point is 00:51:13 You think they're trying to pick your pocket. They're trying to save you from having to shut out twice as many kids so they don't survive, you dummy? Dude, yeah, they look around that room, right? And they're like, oh, machine, machine. What they're not acknowledging is, hey, you know what? Nobody turned on most of these machines for me today. Those machines are there, like they're staged there in case you need them.
Starting point is 00:51:39 and most of the time, most of the machines in that room won't be needed, right? Like, but they're in that room because if you need it, you don't want to wait to get it. So like, I'm looking around and I'm a machine, machine. Yeah, but like how many were used for your kid? Well, none of them.
Starting point is 00:51:56 Okay, well, isn't that actually the point? That what they were is they were there in case of emergency, break glass. Right? And like, I fucking guarantee every single one of these people and it's in this story.
Starting point is 00:52:08 It's in this story. these kids get sick and where do they take their kids? Yep. To the doctors they didn't trust in the first place. Why? Like you're a fucking lying, right? You're lying. You do not trust their advice on the front end, but you want their intervention on the
Starting point is 00:52:24 back end. That's bullshit, right? Like your fucking magic herbalist powder naturalist traditional nonsense is going to, like all that is there because things are fine already. Yep. Right? That's all there because things. are fine already. It's so funny because every single day, Cecil, I take vitamin K. I take vitamin K
Starting point is 00:52:47 every day because it's synergistic with vitamin D3 and I'm low on D3. So in order for the D3 to be better absorbed, there's a calcium channel that needs to be balanced. And so D3 works better if you take vitamin K with it. It's fucking nothing, man. It's nothing. Like my doctor's like, yeah, you should take vitamin K and vitamin D3. And I'm like, okay, great. And I have a fucking prescription for it. That way it makes my insurance pay for it. But I could just get it, like, down the aisle, right? But like, this is nothing. And like I said, these people will, they'll turn around and they'll do two insane things that all contradict each other at the same time. They'll take a fucking herb, a potion, a fucking tea, a tincture, an ointment,
Starting point is 00:53:29 a fucking salve from fucking Joe the healer, right? And what is that? And then they'll, like, go to the fucking GNC or where a vitamin shoppy or like, wherever they go. And they'll spend $300 a month on, you know, supplements and vitamins and potions and tinctures and ointments and whatever. Or they'll buy a juicer and they'll juice like a million carrots or whatever. They'll fucking suck down kale juice by the gallon or whatever horrible shit they're doing on the advice of somebody with no education. But like they'll do all of that stuff. Acknowledging that micronutrients, essentially acknowledging micronutrients of which vitamin K is just a micronutrient, micronutrients are an essential part of being healthy.
Starting point is 00:54:09 So they're already acknowledging the first truth. But then they're just denying the administration method. And then when the kid gets sick, they rush them to the ER. How many of these fucking people with COVID were like, I don't want the shot, and then they got sick, and they ran to the ER. Why did you go to the ER? It's full of the same people who told you to take the shot. People you said implicitly, I already know better than you.
Starting point is 00:54:35 Now you've got all these fucking babies with brainbleeds and, you know, dying and strokes and all this stuff. And it's all just preventable. We've known it forever now. Like, like, we've known it for such a long period of time. We're like, hey, how many like wins in medicine do you get where it's like, hey, there's a problem. And the solution is just trivially easy. It's just trivial how easy this solution is. And we just get to put that entire problem to bed forever with, and there's no cost. benefit, like the cost benefit is just all benefit side and essentially no cost side.
Starting point is 00:55:09 You don't get a whole lot of wins like that. So it's so insane to me that these people be like, I'd rather take a chance. And you're like, all right. Why did you breed? You're bad at it. Well, and the reason why they're mad is because they say like this, these companies are trying to get like money out of me or whatever. I remember hearing Joe Rogan recently on one of his shows.
Starting point is 00:55:34 had said he had related a story about somebody who came in and that she was a physician or whatever and she came in and said that with her small practice, if she would have given the COVID shot to people, she'd have made $1.5 million. And I thought, well, what is the economics even that your brain is putting together there? Right. She'd have made $1.5 million at a small practice giving away, like giving people a shot. How is that profitable for the companies? Because I know for sure none of us are paying for that. Like, that's not the amount of money your insurance would pay for something like that. That's not like when I go in, if, let's say you have a thousand people, that's a $1,500 a shot. Like, who's, how is that money getting generated? There's no way your insurance,
Starting point is 00:56:20 which you don't pay $1,500 probably a year for, you're going to wind up paying $1,500 a shot for. It doesn't make any, it literally makes no sense. Like, the person is 100% lying to you. There is no, I cannot put those economics together to make them make any sense whatsoever. But Joe hears it from someone and then he broadcast it out. The same thing with this Candace Owen things, right? Like Candice Owens, she says something and she says it so confidently, right? She says this so con and it falls perfectly into the belief structure of the people who are watching her.
Starting point is 00:56:57 God can't make mistakes and babies aren't mistakes and they come out perfect and all babies are perfect and they get shit out of you and then the baby is 100% fine and everything we do from that point kills the baby. Right. And they, and she says it in such a confident way that the people who watch her believe her. They believe what she asked to say. And they believe
Starting point is 00:57:18 her even past what a doctor would say. The person who you're going to see to actually hold the baby on its way out, right? It's not like you're just on the fields and you shit the baby out and it drags behind you as you're walking. on the road. That's not what happens. You go to a giant building that is very, very clean. And you sit in a room with a paper gown and you give birth to a baby. And there's a person there who you trust to hold it. But you don't trust with any of the other stuff.
Starting point is 00:57:50 You don't trust them with any of the other pieces that would go to make sure that that baby survives. And one of the things that makes me, it boiled my blood last night I was reading the story. And I was so fucking mad. I was spitting mad. I was spinning mad. I was. reading the story because this idiot who had a child and then the child fucking dies. And then they go and they say the guy says something.
Starting point is 00:58:13 He says, I figured the hospital was already pissy with me that we didn't vaccinate at all. They lost all that money on that. And he said the, and then it goes on to say the family's anger subsided some since the baby's death in part because of their trust in God's
Starting point is 00:58:28 plan. Here's a quote. I can sit here and be upset and sad, but this brought me closer to God. I just can't wait to be with him. You killed your child. You murdered your child because you're dumb. Yep. Dude. Like, I know. Yes, and like three points there. Like, these people that are like, oh, like, follow the money. Follow the money. It's like, yeah, but like, we like they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're decrying the economics of it. But they also hate socialism and socialized medicine. So two a one, two a one. To a one. So I'm like, well, how is it supposed to work in your mind?
Starting point is 00:59:07 Right? Like you don't want socialism and socialized medicine. Okay. So we'll do this capitalistically. Well, they're making money off it. Well, yes, of course, because you demand that from the system. We only get, like literally, what is your system? Like, what is your system where there's no money involved that is not a socialized plan?
Starting point is 00:59:29 You don't want to socialize plan. Fine. We'll do this other plan. don't like it. There's money involved. What the fuck am I supposed to do with any of this? How is, and the thing is like they don't, they don't need to have consistency or coherency, right? What they need to have is talking points that mobilize people to say against and no and come. Yeah, it's all about no. That's it. That's all they're trying to generate. They're not trying to actually produce any kind of a social value here. And the blood that oils those cogs is all the
Starting point is 01:00:01 people who didn't need to die, right? Well, I think of like prenatal vitamins. There's not a big push against prenatal vitamins. I've not heard any online chatter against prenatal vitamins. Somehow this postnatal vitamin is controversial, right? Like one of the reasons, I'll give you to give an example. Like, one of the things you give prenatal vitamins for is prenatal vitamins contain a whole bunch of stuff. One of the things that contains is folic acid. They've discovered that like a primary driver of spina bifida is a lack of folic acid during pregnancy, specifically the last piece of the pregnancy. So giving women, you know, prenatal vitamins increases the amount of folic acid and the amount of kids born with spina bifida fucking plummets, man. It just falls off a cliff.
Starting point is 01:00:50 Because like there are things we need micronutrients for in order for development to occur. And many people, unfortunately, live in situations where they have, you know, food deserts and less than perfect nutritional conditions for a variety of mostly economic reasons. So we give people prenatal vitamins and it actually prevents a whole slew of disastrous outcomes. We have a lot less of these disastrous and tragic outcomes. All the prenatal vitamins are like, yeah, awesome. Totally down with it. You know what? I got fucking great nails from it.
Starting point is 01:01:21 My hair is lustrous. I like this. This is great. Nobody's bitching about it. Postnatal vitamins. vitamin. Oh, wait a minute. Yeah. What do you make it on that? It's not like the prenatal vitamins free or cheap. They're actually quite expensive. So there's like, there's this insane dissonance there where they're like, we're doing this to prevent a disease. Awesome. I'll buy again.
Starting point is 01:01:40 Okay, we're going to do literally the same thing a day later to prevent a disease. Whoa, what are you what are you trying to make all this money for, you know? Like, if I listen closely, I can hear the cash register in the background. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And then like I just also want to say like they, they they always talk about the revenue side of the model, right? They never talk about the profit side of the model. Vaccines are not high margin, high profit items for companies by and large. So, like, yeah, like maybe if this practice, let's grant her that she would have made a million and a half dollars. Let's grant that, like, perhaps Mederina and Pfizer and J&J and, you know, whatever, maybe they were expensive and the insurance was paying a good chunk of money and the government was helping
Starting point is 01:02:23 to subsidize that. They were brand new patented medicines. So let's say they were expensive every time a shot was administered. That does not mean that all of that was profit. Right. So there are two people that get paid in that transaction. There's a lot of people get paid in that transaction. There's a lot of people get paid actually. Yeah. So I'll set that aside. But like if we're saying that the doctor has this nefarious ulterior financial motive because they would have intaken all of this extra money, well, what do they have to output in order to do that? What's the actual margin on that. Because if I get a million and a half dollars, Cecil, but it costs me a million three to do it because I have to buy the vaccine, right? Like people forget that the doctor to administer
Starting point is 01:03:04 the vaccine has to buy the vaccine. Then they have to store the vaccine under very specific and specialized conditions. Then the vaccines have an expiration date. Every vaccine that's not administered that you bought that gets thrown away because somebody didn't come in and get it in time, that's just part of your margin out the door. They always forget the second half. They always forget the second half of the business model. They never line up the expense side of the transactions. Sure. Like, hey, vaccines are a billion dollar industry.
Starting point is 01:03:30 And you're just like, sure, on a revenue only basis. Yeah. But that's like looking at your household income and forgetting that you use any of your money. Right? Yeah. It's all profit. It's all profit.
Starting point is 01:03:45 If I don't count any of the stuff I spend money on it. I don't pay my mortgage or, you know, pay my car note or pay for my gas bill or pay for my electric bill. you know, then I have all the same. All the money that comes in, I just keep and put in my, I don't even pay my taxes on it. It's all frosting. Yeah. It's such asholy.
Starting point is 01:04:01 All of it is so transparent and it's such assholery. I, there's a, so that there's a family that winds up having a child that dies. This family, you know, gets mad about it. They say, I can be upset, but I brought me closer to God. I just can't wait to be with their own child. and then the article ends with two of the families who went on to have other children found them said, and these are children who died, right? So these kids, they had kids who died from a very preventable thing.
Starting point is 01:04:33 It says two of the families who went on to have other children found themselves facing the same decision. Would they decline the vitamin K shot again? Both got the shot for their newborn. Oh, oh, I wonder why, Cecil. I wonder, no, I don't. Both of them got it. Yeah, of course not.
Starting point is 01:04:49 Of course not. because it's a fucking easy fix. And like, just have the self-reflection to know you fucked up. Just have the self-reflection to know, you know what, I contributed my own child's death because I was too stubborn. I listened to somebody who was really confident in their delivery who doesn't know fuck all about anything. And I listen to them instead of listening to somebody who was looking me in the face
Starting point is 01:05:11 with the best intentions of taking care of my child. And I listen to the wrong person. And that's on me. And that's the cross I have to bear or the, the fucking weight I've got to carry the millstone around my neck for the rest of my life is I fucked up. But instead they're just like, nope, I didn't fuck up. Doctors are rich.
Starting point is 01:05:29 Also, go ahead and give them that shot if you don't know. I definitely don't want to have another one. Yeah. You know, to extend some empathy, if I were caught up in a sort of media and informational ecosystem that lied to me so much that I bought into this and my kid died. and then I reflected enough to where on the birth of my second child, I realized I needed to give that kid that shot. I would become a goddamn evangelist.
Starting point is 01:06:01 Yep. Right? Because, like, I would have to reconcile myself with what I did. And I think I could do that, right? Like, one, I'm a person who can compartmentalize and okay with cognitive distance. But what I mean is I could say, look, I was always trying. I always had the best of intentions in my heart. I got fed a lot of bad information.
Starting point is 01:06:19 I acted on bad information. My intentions were always good. I have to rely on living my life with good intentions. I had bad information. But now what I need to do is go out and help other people make good choices because I didn't do that. And that's the way that I'll be able to sort of sleep at night and look at myself in the mirror. So it's astonishing to me when people are just like, yeah, I'm just not going to do that part. I'm just going to quietly.
Starting point is 01:06:45 my mind and then still be vociferously against all that stuff too. How do you sleep? What do you do? Like how, what mirrors in your home reflect back to you a person that you respect? All right. Well, we're going to wrap it up there. And we are going to be back on Monday with the full show. There won't be an extra show on Thursday this week.
Starting point is 01:07:10 But we will be back Monday. And we are going to leave you like we always do with the skeptics greed. Credulity is not a virtue. It's fortune cookie cutter, mommy issue, hypno-Babillon, bullshit. Couched in Scientician, double bubble, toil and trouble, pseudo-quazi alternative, acupunctuating, pressurized, stereogram, pyramidal, free energy healing, water, downward spiral, brain dead pan, sales pitch,
Starting point is 01:07:39 late night infoducatainment. Leo Pisces, cancer cures, detox, reflex, foot massage, Death and towers, Terro cars, Psychic Healing, crystal balls, Bigfoot, Yeti, aliens, churches, mosques,
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Starting point is 01:08:01 vaccine nuts, shame and healers, evangelists, conspiracy, double-speak, stigmata, nonsense. Expose your sides.
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