Cold Case Files - Contracted to Kill

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

When 37-year-old Lee Rotatori is found dead in her hotel room in 1982, police suspect the work of a professional. It will take four decades to identify her killer and, in the process, reveal ...a shocking truth.Progressive: Multitask right now. Quote your car insurance at Progressive.com to join the over 28 million drivers who trust Progressive.Quince: Go to Quince.com/coldcase for free shipping on your order and 365-day returnsShopify - Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at Shopify.com/coldcase and take your retail business to the next level today!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi, cold case listeners. I'm Marissa Pinson. And if you're enjoying this show, I just want to remind you that episodes of cold case files as well as the A&E classic podcasts, I survived, American justice and city confidential are all available ad free on the new A&E crime and investigation channel on Apple podcasts and Apple plus for just $4.99 a month or $39.99 a year. And now onto the show. The following episode contains disturbing accounts of violence and sexual violence. Listener discretion is advised. Lee was a lover of nature. She was a person that understood people to create more of an emotional tie with them. She was fun loving. She liked to ride horses.
Starting point is 00:00:47 Lee was a well-educated woman with a good job who came here to start a new life and was subsequently murdered a few days later. Obviously there's questions that come up, you know. Why? Who? How did it happen? And where did it happen? There was no forced entry to the room. Why? Who? How did it happen? And where did it happen? There was no forced entry to the room. It didn't appear to be like a crime of passion or fury.
Starting point is 00:01:17 This was a single stab wound directly into the heart. Nothing more, nothing less. If someone had gone through the effort to plan something like this, who's to say that they hadn't done it before or would do it again? There are over 100,000 cold cases in America. Only about 1% are ever solved. This is one of those rare stories. It's June 25, 1982, a beautiful summer day in Council Bluffs, Iowa, when the manager of the Best Western Motel receives a call to check on the woman in Room 106. Steve Andrews is a detective with the Council Bluffs Police Department. The hotel received a call from her place of employment wanting them to do a welfare check because she hadn't shown up for work that day.
Starting point is 00:02:04 At that point, housekeeping staff along with an an assistant manager, went to room 106, knocked on the door, and that's when they discovered the body of a female. Lying on one of the beds in the room, they immediately backed out of the room and called police. Larry Williams is a former sergeant with the Council Bluffs Police Department. We proceeded to that location and entered a room and found on a bed the body of a young woman. I observed one stab wound between the lower and the upper area of her abdomen.
Starting point is 00:02:40 Obviously, she was deceased. There weren't any signs of any kind of a struggle in the room. The TV was turned on and the volume was up a little loud. She was found lying on her back on the bed. One of her arms was kind of twisted around behind her back. She was only wearing a t-shirt and she was lying in a pool of blood. Police identify the body as that of 32-year-old Lee Rotatori. Greg Goncalis is Lee Rotatori's brother.
Starting point is 00:03:10 The day of the murder, I was at home, and my father gave me a call and let me know. It was a shock. Obviously, there's questions that come up, you know. Why? Who? How did it happen? And where did it happen? Murders are senseless. She has been murdered and won't be able to talk to her again.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Lee was the oldest, born in 49. I was the second, born in 49. I was the second born in 50. My brother Thomas, he was born in 56. And Ann is the baby of the family, born in 57. Ann Chin is Lee Rotatori's sister. Lee was about eight years older than me. She was fun loving. She liked to ride horses, she
Starting point is 00:04:08 tried some of her hand at painting. In our early teens we got into the rifle shooting. We both joined the Rochester Junior Rifle Club. In the beginning she was a little better shot than I was. She being left-handed and she was a little better shot than I was. She being left-handed and she was right-eyed, so her strong hand was holding the rifle up, so she had a lot more stability. We did go to a lot of rifle matches in town, or we'd travel, take a car ride, sleep in the back with equipment as we're coming home.
Starting point is 00:04:43 She enjoyed cooking, ride, sleep in the back with equipment as we're coming home. She enjoyed cooking and at one point when the nutritionist where my mom worked wanted to put her on a diet so she could lose weight and Lee said, eh, I'll lose the weight and I'll learn how to do it myself. Lee studies cooking and nutrition at the University of Wisconsin. She earns a master's degree and then finds work as a dietician.
Starting point is 00:05:10 In 1978, Lee meets Jerry Nemke. She had lost a lot of weight and her clothes were kind of baggy and Jerry met her and was curious about this gal that was wearing these clothes that were too big for her. Jerry was a nice individual. He and Lee seemed to hit it off good together. Lee and Jerry get married and settle in Nunicum, Michigan. They live in a mobile home, and Lee buys a horse that she stables at a nearby farm. In 1982, Lee is offered a promotion. It's a
Starting point is 00:05:44 great opportunity, but it means the couple will have to move 600 miles away to Council Bluffs, Iowa. The position in Council Bluffs, becoming a head dietitian in the facility there, was a major step up for her added responsibility, having direct reports. Lee moves to Council Bluffs, with Jerry soon to follow with their mobile home. But just days after she starts her new job, Lee's life is cut short.
Starting point is 00:06:14 As detectives study the crime scene, they spot something odd on Lee's body. They noted a sticky residue across her mouth and across her eyes. They could see that there appeared to be ligature marks around her wrists, making it appear that the suspect had not only taped her mouth and her eyes,
Starting point is 00:06:32 but it also bound her wrists behind her back. They also noted that the tape had been removed from her mouth as well as her eyes, and whatever it was that the suspect used to bind her wrists had also been removed from the room. They did not find a murder weapon in the room or outside the room. There was a high possibility there was some sexual contact made, but nobody knew at that
Starting point is 00:06:58 time whether that was by force or whether that was consensual. They did a sexual assault kit on Lee. Detectives then placed that item into police property. Her bag was stolen, but the room wasn't ransacked. It was almost like an afterthought, or like, maybe let's try to make this look like a robbery. They just grabbed the stuff and walked off with it. The investigators dusted for fingerprints.
Starting point is 00:07:23 There were several prints that were found throughout the room. They also collected bedsheets, linens, the clothing that they collected from Lee. There was not a lot of physical evidence. I remember that room was very clean and very neat and nothing in that room other than her body led you to believe anything was wrong. and nothing in that room other than her body led you to believe anything was wrong. Investigators believe that Lee's murder has all the markings of a professional hit. There was no forced entry to the room.
Starting point is 00:07:52 It didn't appear to be like a crime of passion or fury where there was a multiple stab wounds in the face, the arms, the neck. This was a single stab wound directly into the heart resulting in her death. Nothing more, nothing less. It looked like the guy knew what he was doing. Detectives do find something strange.
Starting point is 00:08:12 Pieces of green foam scattered across the floor, the kind used by florists. They estimated approximately 100 pieces of this green foam. They located that on the floor just past the entrance of the room, like it had been maybe dropped on the floor there when the perpetrator came into the room. If you have an anomaly like that, it's odd. It sticks out. It's not supposed to be there. You need to find out where it came from, why it's there, how it got there. One of the housekeepers noted that she recalled
Starting point is 00:08:47 seeing similar green foam on the second floor outside of room 259 and inside room 259 as well. You've got this green foam in room 106 where Lee was found that shouldn't be there. And then you've got it in another location in close proximity at the same time frame. It's not a smoking gun, but it's getting close. You have this crushed floral foam
Starting point is 00:09:14 that may have been dropped by the perpetrator. And then you discovered that there was another location for this mysterious green foam. You can see the excitement that you would have in getting a lead like that. The housekeeper took the detectives up to that area and showed her where she had found the foam. However, housekeeping has already cleaned room 259.
Starting point is 00:09:35 They went through all of the vacuum cleaner bags, and they dug through a lot of dirt and a bunch of other stuff, but ultimately they were never able to recover any of the actual foam. They did make contact with the individual who rented that room. They did bring him in and interviewed him. He said that he had checked into the room, 2.59 on the evening of the 24th, watched some TV. He went right to sleep.
Starting point is 00:10:01 He said that he just spent the night there one night and gotten up early the next morning around 5 a.m. and departed. He didn't notice any green foam anywhere on the floor and didn't know anything about it. They polygraphed him and he passed the polygraph with flying colors. There was just no physical evidence linking him to the crime. So they let him go. Detectives interview motel guests and staff and hear accounts of a suspicious looking man. Some people there reported seeing a male walking in the hall in the area of Lee's room on the evening of the 24th. They described him as disreputable.
Starting point is 00:10:43 They said that he was carrying what appeared to be a bouquet of flowers, but they also noted that it didn't appear to be a professional bouquet of flowers. They described the gentleman as a white male, 30s to 40 year old, medium build, medium weight, dark hair color. One of them had him with gray hair, kind of a reddish complexion. One of them had him with gray hair, kind of a reddish complexion. Detectives looked for motel guests who matched their sketch and stayed there the night of Lee's murder. The hotel was literally packed with people. The detective collected the registry for every guest at the hotel, but nothing stood out in there as somebody that's like, yeah, this is somebody to look at. The location of the hotel is right in the crosshairs of the United States.
Starting point is 00:11:26 We have I-29 that runs north and south from North Dakota down to Missouri, and I-80 runs east and west from San Francisco to New Jersey. The detectives at the time were on the scene roughly 12 hours later or so. You can go a long way in 12 hours in any direction. So you have no idea which way the suspect may have went or if he went anywhere at all. Six days after her body is discovered, Lee's remains are transported back to her
Starting point is 00:11:56 hometown of Rochester, Minnesota so she can be laid to rest. Mom and Dad went to the First Presbyterian church, which is the church we all went to when I was growing up. Spoke to the pastor about having the funeral and the sanctuary was packed. It was very heartwarming. It was probably the first funeral I attended and it was joyful. Back in Iowa, police seek answers as to who would want Lee dead. Lee was the epitome of the innocent victim.
Starting point is 00:12:35 She wasn't out doing anything questionable. She was a well-educated woman with a good job who came here to start a new life. She was away from her home, away from her family. She came to our city and was subsequently murdered a few days later. Murder is rare in council bluffs, but one recent killing is eerily similar to Lee's case.
Starting point is 00:12:58 Couple of months prior to the incident with Lee, there was an incident at a local hotel, the Starlight Motor Lodge, where a female by the name Melinda Mayfield was murdered. She was stabbed to death at the motel in close proximity to the other hotel. If you have one female being stabbed to death in a hotel, one part of your town, and you have another female that
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Starting point is 00:15:37 If someone had gone through the effort to plan something like this, who's to say that they hadn't done it before or would do it again. They started to look at any potential for this being a serial killing. They reached out to area agencies locally. The FBI was even contacted in reference to any serial killers operating in and around this area. Investigators compare the murders of Lee Rotatori and Linda Mayfield. They find the cases are not so similar after all.
Starting point is 00:16:11 Lee was murdered with a single stab wound as to where Linda Mayfield was stabbed multiple times, literally from head to toe. She was found outside the hotel room at the bottom of the stairs, where Lee was found inside the hotel room at the bottom of the stairs where Lee was found inside the hotel room. So it was ruled out as a similar MO.
Starting point is 00:16:32 Detectives turned to the physical evidence collected at the scene and processed the fingerprints found in Lee's motel room. Some of the prints lacked sufficient ridge detail to be checked. The ones that did have sufficient ridge details were checked with no results. The medical examiner determined that there had been a sexual assault. You've got to remember though that back in 82, DNA was not really a thing. You had it, but you didn't know what you had. After 11 days of investigation, detectives brought in their search.
Starting point is 00:17:01 They turned their attention to Lee's husband, Jerry Nemke, and uncover a bombshell. It was learned that Jerry was convicted of murder back in 1960. So they start digging into Jerry. The victim in that case was 16-year-old Marilyn Duncan. It took place in a deserted lot behind a factory in Chicago, and it was just brutal. It sounded like Jerry had made some sexual advances on Marilyn. Marilyn refuted those advances, and he punched her until he knocked her down to the ground. At that point, he kicked her all over the body. He kicked her so many times that
Starting point is 00:17:46 the toes on his shoes had curled backward. If that wasn't enough, there were some bricks that were laying around there. He picked those bricks up and he started beating her body with those bricks. To add insult to injury, he said that he stole four4 from her because that's all she had on her. He left her there to die in the lot, and she did ultimately succumb to those injuries a few days later. Police catch Nemke in a stolen car and arrest him. They connect him to Marilyn's murder
Starting point is 00:18:16 through a pair of sunglasses he left at the scene. When he was questioned, he confessed to the murder of Marilyn Duncan. After his initial trial, he was found guilty of murder and he was sentenced to death. Jerry filed an appeal. There was a retrial in reference to the obtaining of his confession that he had provided to police
Starting point is 00:18:36 at the time of his arrest in 1960. His confession was ultimately thrown out. And even without his confession, Jerry was again found guilty of the murder of Marilyn Duncan. At that point, he was sentenced to 75 to 100 years in prison. Despite the brutality of the crime
Starting point is 00:18:54 and the lengthy sentences, Jerry Nemke is released from prison in 1978, just 18 years after killing Marilyn Duncan. Why Jerry was released so soon? I have no idea. Getting records of any of this stuff has been extremely difficult. And the records that I do get are so old
Starting point is 00:19:13 and they're handwritten, and the quality of them are such that you can hardly even read them. But when you have a guy that does something like this, he was like a poster child for a suspect. Detectives focus on Lee and Jerry's relationship. Jerry gets out of prison in 1978. He marries Lee in 1978 within, you know, months after being released from prison. A year or two later, they file for divorce. Another year or two later, they get remarried again. There was another statement that Jerry had made a comment about getting a divorce so he could file for bankruptcy,
Starting point is 00:19:50 and then he was gonna remarry her. I don't know if it was a troubled relationship or if it was a plan to get out of a bunch of debt. Lee and Jerry remarry just six months before she is killed. Jerry had two jobs at the time. He worked at a service station, and he also was a floral delivery person. To have Jerry being a part-time floral delivery person and to have crushed up green floral foam on the floor inside Lee's room where she was murdered, it was like, oh my god, this is the guy I need to look at first.
Starting point is 00:20:27 The fact that Jerry is a flower delivery guy and this green foam was found on the floor in Lee's room, that cannot be a coincidence. Very quickly the detective reached out to Jerry's employers to try to establish his whereabouts for the timeframe of Lee's murder. In talking to the owner of the service station, he was able to confirm that Jerry was at work with him in Michigan until at least 10 o'clock in the evening. The same gentleman is also able to state
Starting point is 00:20:57 that he personally saw Jerry at around 9 that following morning doing his floral delivery service. There were multiple people who also saw Jerry during the timeframe of Lee's murder as well. Jerry Nemke was 10 hours away when Lee was murdered. I knew that Jerry was imprisoned for murder. I know that he was working with juveniles to help keep them from becoming imprisoned.
Starting point is 00:21:25 I think he had been reformed. I really had no issues with Jerry Numke. When I heard Jerry had a solid alibi, I eliminated him as a suspect, and I was satisfied with that. By 1983, detectives have run down their last good lead, and the case goes cold. During family gatherings, we didn't talk about Lee as often.
Starting point is 00:21:50 It was too painful to reminisce. The way I coped with my sister's death and not knowing who the perpetrator was, was suppressed. I think the emotion of loss of family struck me and stayed with me. And then it also continued to my parents' passing. Lee's parents go to their graves, still searching for justice. It's now June, 2011, 29 years after Lee's murder. I was sitting in my desk one day and my sergeant came in and he plopped this box on my desk and said,
Starting point is 00:22:31 hey, you're kind of a go-getter. There's been some advances in DNA that have happened recently. Why don't you look into this? And that's how it all began. Once I realized that we do have a male DNA sample, my thought at the time is I need to go back, revisit the main suspects in this case. I started with Jerry. I knew he had an ironclad alibi, but I knew his history. The hair on the back of your neck stands up
Starting point is 00:22:59 when you read this stuff and you're like, yeah, this guy knows more. There must be a connection somehow. I found him in Tampa, Florida. So I contacted the detectives down in Tampa and a couple of homicide detectives went to his place. They said he was pretty nonchalant about the whole thing. He more than willingly just provided a DNA sample
Starting point is 00:23:21 and then we ran it in for testing. I knew that he was 10 hours away but there was that glimmer of hope. Maybe he chartered an airplane and flew here and flew back home. The results came back on Jerry's DNA and I saw that the result was negative. It was like a punch in the stomach. Investigators track down every previous suspect they can find and run DNA tests on all of them. But there's no match. This was 40 years ago. And when I would try to reach out to people,
Starting point is 00:23:55 they were off the grid or they were deceased. There weren't any leads. The captain comes to me one day and said he was watching a special about the Golden State Killer. He was caught using genetic genealogy. And I was like, I'm totally on board. I didn't have any other options. The suspect DNA is submitted for genetic analysis and a long list of possible matches to lease
Starting point is 00:24:19 Killer comes back. Katie Patty is a Council Bluffs Police Department Forensics Detective. Our initial response was an enormous family lineage. It was literally printed out and it was six feet long along one of our detective's desks. They also provided us with a kind of a solvability matrix, a scale of one to five. One is, yep, no problem.
Starting point is 00:24:42 We're going to find this guy. Five being, don't waste your time. You're certainly not going to find him through genetic genealogy. They gave us a 4.5 on the scale. The light at the end of the tunnel is starting to flicker out because it's like, I don't know if we're going to find this now. I'm looking at that huge family lineage like, oh boy, where do we even start here? This is going to take forever. It was daunting. I'm back to square one and I have no hope at this point. In 2019, Jerry Nemke passes away. Any information he may have had about Lee's murder dies with him. It looks like Lee's case will never be solved.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Then investigators find hope from an unlikely source, genealogist Eric Schubert. When I was a kid, I had asthma a lot. So it would be pneumonia every, you know, every October, November, like clockwork. I was 10 years old, stuck at home, bored. I just saw a commercial one day for a genealogy site. And it was just suggested to me like, hey, Eric, you always love history and you love puzzles. Why don't you do that? I had no idea what I was doing, but in a few weeks, I quickly just picked it up.
Starting point is 00:26:00 The neighbor wants a family tree, or oh, someone down the street needs you to find out their grandfather's name. Everything's out there. You just got to go find it. Eric's work gets noticed, and in 2019, that publicity leads to a request from police in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania. I was taken aback a little bit that I was actually being reached out to to help on a case. I thought about it and I said, there's so much good that can be done here,
Starting point is 00:26:27 why not take a stab at it? Eric's genealogical research helps Montgomery County investigators finally solve their cold case. Right after I solved that first case, I was sitting at home because of COVID and just Googled cold cases. And one of the first things that came up
Starting point is 00:26:46 was the Council Bluffs Police Department cold cases page. I just sent an email, hey, here's a little bit of my background. If you have a case sitting around, I want to volunteer. And I didn't think it would work. They're probably like, oh, some crackpot kid, whatever. So the captain does some research on Eric and verifies, yeah, sure enough,
Starting point is 00:27:07 he's helped out with some cold cases and helped him solve some stuff. We knew we were a little over our heads when it came to narrowing down this ginormous family tree. So I think that if we had somebody that had the ability to do that, why not use them? So Eric started with a giant list and he would call us and say,
Starting point is 00:27:26 okay, call these five people and see if you can get them to willingly put their DNA into the genetic genealogy database to try to whittle this list down. I would call up some stranger and say, hey, I believe that you may be loosely related to our potential suspect. And I would like to ask if you would be willing to provide a DNA sample
Starting point is 00:27:48 so we could just eliminate your branch of the family tree. Eric cross-references the new DNA profiles with public data sources. He works to connect family members and zero in on Lee's killer. I'm looking in census records, military stuff, going through different newspaper databases, historical record databases, confirming information. I get a phone call from the kid and he says, yep, I found his great grandparents or his grandparents. He goes, yep, I think we're going to be able to solve this.
Starting point is 00:28:18 Then I realized, wait a second, something's off here. Whoever did this to Lee has to be descended from these two families, but there was no connection. And if that's the case, I don't know what we're gonna do. So all the information that he was getting through public records and things were showing that our suspect's father was one individual, when in reality, it was clear by the numbers to Eric that he was actually not his father. It was really disheartening for us because all this time we thought we were getting closer and now are we further away?
Starting point is 00:28:56 So Eric was in the process then of readjusting and refocusing when we got our break. In February 2021, almost four decades after Lee's murder, a genetic genealogy company discovers a DNA link to Lee Rotatori's killer. We had a stroke of luck, and we had a kit dropped into the system by someone that we hadn't solicited it from. That match led us to a group of four brothers. It was determined that two of them
Starting point is 00:29:30 were deceased at the time of the homicide and that one of them was of such a young age that he was not a viable suspect. With a single brother left, detectives are just one genetic link away from solving the case. We were able to locate a daughter of our suspect who provided a DNA sample and it was verified that Thomas Oscar Freeman was the name of the individual. It was like, oh my God, we got this guy.
Starting point is 00:29:59 I'm thinking, how am I going to interview this guy? What am I going to say to him? But unfortunately, that was followed up very quickly with, oh, but he's been murdered and he's dead. Went from a euphoric high to a tragic low, you know, just like that. We started doing some research into Freeman. We found out that he was from West Frankfurt, Illinois.
Starting point is 00:30:21 He was a truck driver, kind of a transient person. He was living from hand to mouth. I couldn't find any financial records on him. He was kind of a ghost in a way. Detectives scour Lee's case file and find a shocking connection. Through the gentleman who owned the floral shop where Jerry Nemke had worked, it was learned that the weeks prior to Lee's homicide, Jerry Nemke had received three different phone calls from an individual he identified as Tom or Jim. In the actual week prior to Lee's homicide,
Starting point is 00:30:58 the same individual had spoke with Jerry on the phone. It sounded like the guy was coming in from out of town to meet with Jerry, and they had something that they needed to talk about. The telephone call to Jerry from an individual by the name of Tom, connecting with him in the days prior to Lee's murder, that cannot be a coincidence.
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Starting point is 00:33:48 Follow now, wherever you get your podcasts. Based on the phone calls that were alleged to have been made to Jerry, I speculate that he may have been involved in hiring the person who killed his wife. Not only was Thomas Freeman murdered, he was murdered a very short time after Lee Rotatori was murdered. He had been shot four times in the chest. Some hunters found him in a shallow grave on October 30th of 1982, and their coroner estimated that he had been there for a couple of months.
Starting point is 00:34:37 Detectives suspect that Jerry Nemke hired Thomas Freeman to murder Lee, then paid him off with lead instead of gold. They search for more connections between Demke and Freeman. When Jerry was in prison from 1960 to 1978, there was another individual that was in prison with Jerry at the time. That same individual just so happened to be a friend and co-worker of Thomas Oscar Freeman. When Jerry was released from prison in 1978, he went to Carbondale, Illinois, and attended Southern Illinois University,
Starting point is 00:35:13 which is approximately 15 to 20-ish miles away from the location where Thomas Oscar Freeman lives, and from where his body was found. Then an anonymous informant provides the last piece of the puzzle. I got a random tip that came in. A guy who said several years ago, I was talking to a guy who's good friends with Lee's husband. And he was telling this gentleman how he had hired somebody that he had gone to prison with to kill his wife, that he used the money from her insurance policy to pay him off,
Starting point is 00:35:50 that he knew when she was going to be murdered. So he was sure to establish an alibi during the timeframe that the murder took place. And then reading how his alibi was just so ironclad, it was like, this is too good to be true. Not only did Jerry have his whereabouts verified the previous evening, for some reason on the morning that her body was found, Jerry felt that that was the day
Starting point is 00:36:16 that he needed to make a visit to her former place of employment to return a lab coat and talk to her former employees and tell them how great she is doing in Council Bluffs. Then Jerry left there and just so happened to have to stop by the stables where Lee's horse is boarded. Jerry left there, went to his place of employment to pick up his check. His boss said he had been kind of down and missing deliveries and things in the weeks up to that time,
Starting point is 00:36:46 but he was in an exceptionally good mood that day. It's almost like this guy went out of his way to establish his whereabouts during the timeframe that his wife was murdered. I did speak with a woman who was married to Jerry following Lee's death, who advised me that Jerry had told her that he had collected on what he described as a rather large life insurance policy on her.
Starting point is 00:37:09 But I personally do not have any documentation proving that this life insurance policy existed. It didn't happen in my jurisdiction and it's not my case to solve, but I think you can draw your own conclusions about who would have a reason to murder Thomas Oscar Freeman. And obviously, he has shown in the past that he is capable of doing such things. Jerry is now deceased. Thomas is now deceased. There might be this person that maybe we don't know yet
Starting point is 00:37:39 that saw something that may come forward with some additional information that may help tie it all up. But it's also just as possible that Derry Nemke and Thomas Oscar Freeman took the secret to Lee Rotatori's murder to the grave with them. After a four-decade investigation, Council Bluff's police department publicly announced that Thomas Freeman is Lee Rotatori's murderer. Lee's family had no idea who that was, but when I shared with them information about her husband and the possibility that he may or may not have been
Starting point is 00:38:13 involved in it, they didn't seem real shocked or surprised. I see all the dots that are out there on the paper. It's very possible it may have been Jerry hired Thomas for a hit. And knowing that both Jerry and Thomas are deceased, it's a tangled web out there. It's the big why, which is still outstanding. And until I know why he did this, I will not have full, 100% closure.
Starting point is 00:38:52 But the bright light in all this is the way it was solved. And hopefully this gives hope to others that their cases can be solved. The real enlightenment came when I met Eric and spoke with him. I couldn't thank him enough. I was so happy to meet Greg. I wanted him to know that all of those people
Starting point is 00:39:19 had one goal in mind, and that was to find out who killed his sister. It was emotional and another reminder of why I love this work and why I find it so important. If we had more people like Eric, we'd probably get a lot more of these solved. This summer, Pluto TV is exploding with thousands of free movies. Summer of cinema is here. Feel the explosive action all summer long with movies like Gladiator, Mission Impossible, Beverly Hills Cop, Good Burger, and Transformers Dark of the Moon.
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