Cold Case Files - I SURVIVED A SERIAL KILLER: The Fast Food Killer

Episode Date: May 9, 2026

On March 23, 1997, during just his third day of work at a local fast food restaurant, Jose Ramirez Gonzalez, along with three co-workers were attacked. Jose’s three colleagues were shot to ...death while Jose was stabbed and left for dead. Their attacker was 39-year-old Paul Dennis Reid Jr: a country-star wannabe who spent nights robbing fast food joints and killing innocent workers. Jose recounts the night he faced off with Paul Dennis Reid in a stock room and managed to survive. A second survivor, Mitch Roberts, who Paul Dennis Reid held at gunpoint in his own driveway, also shares his story. This Episode is sponsored by BetterHelpAngi - Download the free Angi too today or visit Angi.comApartments.com - To find whatever you’re searching for and more visit apartments.com the place to find a place.BetterHelp - Visit BetterHelp.com/SURVIVED to get 10% off your first month!First Leaf - Head to TryFirstLeaf.com/survived for 50% off your first box PLUS free shipping for an entire year!Mint - To get the new customer offer and your new 3-month premium wireless plan for just $15 a month, go to Mintmobile.com/survivedProgressive - Multitask right now. Quote your car insurance at Progressive.com to join the over 28 million drivers who trust Progressive.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This program contains subject matter that may be disturbing to some listeners. Listener discretion is advised. In breaking news tonight, a lead suspect in the fast food murders is behind bars. Paul Dennis Reed is the most notorious serial killer in Tennessee history. I'm certain that I am not the trigger man. He was pure, pure evil. It was obvious Nashville had a Ted Bundy or John Lane Gacy running around killing people. There is a crazed kill.
Starting point is 00:00:30 on the loose and what's going to happen next. I see the guy with a gunner. He shoot the other people. He pointed the gun to my front head. I was thinking, I'm going to die. He pulled a gun. He told me, said, you're going to do what I tell you to do. His ultimate goal was to kill my family,
Starting point is 00:00:50 make me open the safe, and kill me dead. I was not going to let him in the house with my family. I would die for my family. Let's say I am the killer. I'm not trying to be able to to be able to something. I'm not trying to make your question. I'm trying to be exactly honest with you.
Starting point is 00:01:08 You understand if we didn't have the evidence you would be in that chair right now. Real people who faced death and lived to tell how. This is I survived a serial killer. I am Jose Gonzalez, and I survived a serial killer. In 1997, I was almost 30 years old. I was living in 1990.
Starting point is 00:01:36 Nashville, Tennessee. I came to Nashville from Los Angeles to work with my brothers and cousins and construction. While I was waiting for work in construction, a couple blocks away where we live, it was at McDonald's, and I started working in the restaurant. It was a nighttime shift,
Starting point is 00:01:57 three to close. March 23rd, 1997. There were four people there. The manager, Ronald, Andrea, Robert, Robert and I, that night we were cleaning all the store, and leaving everything ready for the next day. When we were done, I just heard the manager telling me in the Spanish to go home, so you are going to your car.
Starting point is 00:02:20 I'm not going to let you and Robert go to their cars and I'm going to stay here at the door with Andrea to lock the doors. So I start walking to the outside. The manager and Andrea, they were at the door. Well, I was walking outside behind Robert. I see the guy with a gun. When I see the gun, I was scared.
Starting point is 00:02:42 I just see the guy moving the gun, like, telling us to go back to the store. Robert and I, we start walking back to the store. He's coming behind us with the gun. He asked us to go to the office with the money was. So we started walking there. After that, I see the manager. trying to open the safe and I just see him like sweating and obviously scares.
Starting point is 00:03:11 When he put the money in the back, I was thinking about this guy is going to get the money and live. But he was giving directions to the back room. So I followed the guys to the stock room. The room was dark. I remember I see the manager, Ronald, he was next to me, and Andrea was crying. When I got the job, I knew they were attacked and other fast food restaurants, but I wasn't scared. Now, I was scared. Mike Rowland is a detective from the Metro Nashville Police Department.
Starting point is 00:03:55 Two months before the attack at McDonald's, in January 20th of 1997, We had a case involving Shoney's. The manager that came in to open that morning didn't find anything unusual until she got back to the office in the back where she found the night shift manager. Charles Thoitt brutally stabbed to death. There was a floor safe, and it was open,
Starting point is 00:04:20 and a decent amount of cash was taken, pushing the $2,000 mark. So we looked at robbery, but Mr. Thoet was stabbed 52 times. which would suggest it could have been a crime of passion. We had VHS-type cameras in the establishment. Unfortunately, there was no videotape in the machine, and we found out the person that committed the crime,
Starting point is 00:04:46 they took Mr. Thoet's car, and his car was found a few blocks up the street in a parking lot. It was pulled straight in front where a camera was pointing, but they didn't have the machine on either. We started canvassing the neighborhood, looking for anyone that possibly may have seen anything during that time of night. Roger Moore is the Deputy DA General for Davidson County. Unfortunately, no leads were developed, no evidence, no fingerprints,
Starting point is 00:05:20 nothing to enable the police to make an arrest. We kind of felt like we were at a dead end. It was dark, and I just, I remember I see. the manager, Ronald, he was next to me. The guy told us to lay in the ground. I just see them laying down on the ground with the face down. He shot the manager twice.
Starting point is 00:05:49 And the after that, he went to a rover and he shot him. Then he shot him right up. And I just see the lighting of the shot. And after that he came to me, I was in face down. I was looking at him. And he pointed the gun to my front head. And I was going back to all my life and all the past.
Starting point is 00:06:13 And that's when he pulled trigger, but nothing happened. He started clicking it four or five times. The gun malfunctioned or was out of bullets, whatever might have been the case. And Mr. Gonzalez took that operation. opportunity to fight for his life. I was thinking, do something quick, and I just grabbed the gun. And we were fighting, but it wasn't for too long, because when we were fighting, I just
Starting point is 00:06:47 feel something on my ribs and my left side. I knew it was a knife. After that, I was unable to do anything. And I felt one more, stopping in the same side, and two and the other two and the other He started stabbing me in the back of my head. And on my face, he threw me to the ground. And after that, he stabbed me three times in my back. The knife went completely through the inside of the chest wall.
Starting point is 00:07:18 I feel the air coming out from my staffs. I was thinking about, like, blade dead. I just hold my bread to let him know I wasn't breathing and nothing. nothing. I was in the ground and I just see the manager's face right next to me and I was actually my face and all his blood. I was afraid to move. So I was thinking if the guy was behind me still there. One month before the murders at McDonald's, a double homicide occurred during a robbery at a Captain D's restaurant in Nashville. Judith Yates is the author of When Nashville Bled.
Starting point is 00:08:03 On the morning of February 16th, Steve Hampton was set to open the store, and along with him was Sarah Jackson, who was only 16, and another employee came along, couldn't get into the store, saw that the chairs were still stacked on the table. That's not like Steve. He is ready, you know, in a minute to open up early, actually. So eventually the police were called to do a welfare check. Steve Hampton and Sarah Jackson were found in the freezer, face down. Both of them had multiple gunshot wounds to the head and to the back.
Starting point is 00:08:40 It appeared to have been a motive of robbery. There was money missing. One employee specifically spoke about a man coming in the night before. And this guy asked, are you hiring? And the guy said, well, we don't know, you'll need to talk to Steve Hampton, the manager. When does he come in? He comes in the morning. He appeared to be wearing a Shoney's uniform.
Starting point is 00:09:04 They described the suspect being a tall man, I believe, with a ponytail. But the height was what was really, really stood out, like six foot two. So there was a composite drawing done of this person and put out on the news. And then within days of this investigation, ID of Steve Hampton, it was found on Ellington Parkway. That evidence did produce a fingerprint, and obviously that was put in the system, but nobody was spit out at the time.
Starting point is 00:09:36 I was laying down and trying to not make any noise. I don't know for how long, but I just hear a door shut. And I just turned my head, and I didn't see them anymore. That's when I was thinking about with the telephone, was and I started crawling to the office. I was looking for the phone and I didn't see it. I was feeling tired. When I was in the ground, I just see a wire.
Starting point is 00:10:04 I just pulled it and it comes right next to me. It was the phone. I died 911. I just said, I need a doctor. I started hearing noises outside. I hear the ambulance. I hear the noise when they break in the glass. door to get into the store.
Starting point is 00:10:24 When they came in, it was probably a few people there, but they don't went to the room where I was. They went to the other room with the other guys. So I was just waiting for them to come in to see me. They came back and they seemed in the ground. That's when I started moving my feet. They noticed I was alive. I think that there was some higher power.
Starting point is 00:10:51 looking at over Jose Gonzalez, because by all rights, he would have been the fourth victim. He suffered tremendous injuries. Two days later on, when I woke up, I was in the hospital. I was in pain. I had a one, two, three, four surgeries. My lungs, my face, my head, my finger. Someone was calling my name, like a Saint-Hose.
Starting point is 00:11:21 But I was unable to talk. But obviously I started moving or I did something because the person who was calling my name, he said, Jose, don't move. You cannot talk. Just move your fingers. You listen to me. So I just move a finger. I say, I'm a detective of police in Nashville.
Starting point is 00:11:43 And we want to talk to you. Juan Borges is a retired Metro Nashville police detective. When I first seen Jose at the hospital bed, we didn't really know if you would really make it. He didn't know what happened to his coworkers. I told him no one survived but you. I told him what we're trying to apprehend this person and the information and the cooperation that we really needed from him. And he definitely appeared to be confused, frightened. I was feeling scared because I knew he was on the streets and I expect something out to happen.
Starting point is 00:12:20 After the McDonald's homicide on March 23rd, we started relating that homicide with the Capandese and the Shoney's because they're all fast food. Young people are involved. We have knives. We have guns. We have robbery. Now, we had six people deceased from these robbery, murders, and one surviving victim. It was obvious we had a serial killer running around killing people. Finding the one can feel.
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Starting point is 00:16:31 was having Jose Gonzalez be interviewed and provide a sketch of the perpetrator. And that sketch was running the papers and the TVs and all the media everywhere. And once, Josek was able to, hey, look through many, many, many mugshots and photo books looking for the person. They started showing me pictures, books of pictures. They probably showed me 500 pictures, 600.
Starting point is 00:17:06 I never seen. We were working 24 hours, day, seven days a week. We were staking out restaurants. We had help from the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. and the police chief put extra patrolmen in the area, driving up and down the streets and checking on the restaurants. We set up a hotline that generated 1,200 leads. It was nonstop.
Starting point is 00:17:31 The community itself wasn't an uproar. Businesses were closing early and having extra security. There is a crazed killer on the loose and what's going to happen next. One month after the McDonald's homicide, we received a call from the Clarksville Police Department, about 40 miles away from Nashville, that they had two girls missing from a Baskin-Robbins. Two women were Angela Holmes, who was 21 years old, and Michelle Mace, who was 16. Michelle's brother shows up at the Baskins, and he thinks, okay, this is strange because nobody is there. And he tries the door and it's open.
Starting point is 00:18:19 So he very cautiously walks into the store. The girl's purses are there. The floor safe has been pulled out of the floor. He calls Angie's husband, who comes down immediately to the store, and they call the police. I jumped in a car and rode straight up there. When we arrived at the store, looked pretty much like a typical robbery.
Starting point is 00:18:47 There was no blood. There was nothing in the store that at that point in time made us feel like it may have been connected. But less than an hour later, we got called to Dunbar Cave State Park, not too many miles from the Baskin Robbins. At that location, one victim was found up in a wooded area. The other victim was found down at the water's edge,
Starting point is 00:19:13 partially in the water. both their throats had been brutally cut. The police were connecting Baskin and Robbins to Captain D's and to McDonald's because the robbery was in the evening after close. The money was gone. The safe was left open. The police efforts were already at an unbelievably high level. But I can imagine this now became a multi-county collaboration and hunt for a killer
Starting point is 00:19:42 who, it seemed, was not going to stop until he was caught. This was all hands-on-deck asking for the public's help to report anything unusual that they may have seen. So tips came in. Somebody observed a red car around the Baskin-Robbins would have been around the time that the girls came up missing. And another person saw a red car around Dunbar Cave State Park. So Clarksville Police Department put out a Bolo looking for if anybody knew anything about a red car in that area during that time. Approximately a month, perhaps a little bit longer after the Baskin-Robbins, the perpetrator made one more attack. I'm Mitch Roberts, and I survived the serial killer.
Starting point is 00:20:34 In 1997, I was 46 years old, and I worked for Shoney's. I was the general manager of one of the busiest units in Nashville close to the airport. I was aware that recently there had been a taxi to other fast food restaurants. I had some of my customers who would ask me questions about if we had heard anything or how the investigation was going. A lot of policemen came in eight with me, so we kind of kept current on what was going on. but we were such a high traffic area. It never occurred to me that we possibly could be a target.
Starting point is 00:21:13 I lived about 25 miles outside of Nashville in the rural area, and it was quite 95% of the time. If you didn't know where I live, you wouldn't be able to find my house. On June 1st, 1997, I was waiting to go to bed, And I was on the couch with my wife and my daughter and my son. We were watching a little TV, and my son was playing with our video camera. And all of a sudden, out of the blue, there was a knock on the door.
Starting point is 00:21:50 When I heard the knock at the door, I looked, and the man at the door was a cook for me at Shoney. His name was Paul Dennis Reed. Paul Dennis Reed, he came from Texas, and he actually came to Nashville to be a kid. country music singer. He was going to be the next Garth Brooks, is what he told people. Well, he looks the part. He's got expensive boots, big fancy cowboy hat, guitar, and he even made audio tapes of himself singing.
Starting point is 00:22:18 He couldn't carry a tune in a bucket. As far as being a country music singer, that was delusions of grandeur. Paul had a temper, bad temper. He had gotten mad on the Cooks line and frisbee a plate, and it hit one of my dishwasher. I fired him on the spot. For Paul to show up on a Sunday night about the time I'm ready for bed was, yes, it was a shock, but we can let him in.
Starting point is 00:22:46 And I said, Paul, what's the purpose of your call? And he said, well, I wanted to see if you'd give me my job back. And about that time, my wife interrupted me and said, could I speak to you just second in the other room? I walked in the other room, my wife, and she said, something's weird about that guy. you need to get rid of him. So I went back out in the living area,
Starting point is 00:23:08 and I said, Paul, it's kind of late. Why don't you come by tomorrow, and we'll talk about your job then. So I kind of led him towards the door, and he walked out. And when we got out on the porch, he told me that he could prove to me someone was stealing from the restaurant.
Starting point is 00:23:27 And I said, really? And he said, yeah, let me show you. So we started walking down to the car, which is probably, 75 to 100 feet from my front door. And the red car was sitting in my driveway. So I started adding two and two, and it came up four. That was the red car, the news had been talking about,
Starting point is 00:23:49 and the police had been talking about this was the person they were looking for in the fast food murders. And so I kind of felt funny, but I just went along with it. I said, well, you need to give me a call tomorrow and we'll go through this and I'll see about your job. So I turned and started to walk away. And he ran around in front of me and pulled a gun and said, he told me, said, you're going to do what I tell you to do.
Starting point is 00:24:15 And he handed me a pair of handcuffs. And I said, Paul, if this is a joke, it's not funny. And he said, it's not a joke. There's two guys behind your house that'll shoot you if you don't do what I tell you. His ultimate goal, I felt like, was to handcuff me in the car, go back in the house, kill my family, come back and get me, take me to work, make me open the safe, and kill me there. I instantly started thinking, how do I get out of this? What can I do? I was not going to let him in the house with my family. I would die for my family. So I started talking to him like I was still his boss. And I turned and walked away from him again.
Starting point is 00:24:56 And he just followed me up to the porch. I turned around. And he had a gun in one hand and a knife in the other. And I said, Paul, what is it you need? And he said, well, if you're not going to give me my job back, I need some money. So there was a front door that he expected me to pull open. But he didn't expect me to pull open and turn and hit him. I hit him and I backed in the doorway and held the door to keep him from pulling it open. I told my wife, I said, hand me the guns laying right there.
Starting point is 00:25:27 Well, there wasn't a gun laying right there, but he bought it and left. Then we got the door lock, called the local police. I told him, you need to come to the house. There's been a guy trying to break in, and this is the serial killer they're looking for in Nashville. They came out and was talking to him and interview me, and the phone rang. It was Paul on the phone. He was wanting to apologize.
Starting point is 00:25:54 Tell me he's sorry we had words on the porch, and he hoped I'd forget about it and give him his job back. I was shocked. I didn't expect to hear from him again. But that's when I thought. Let me see if I can help the police catch him. I told him by said, Paul, you scared us. You need to talk to me before tomorrow.
Starting point is 00:26:13 You need to come back out here. We need to talk about this tonight. And so he said, okay. He's thinking, Mitch is going to give me my job back because I'm such a wonderful employee. I'm going to get rehired and I'll have money again. He came back to the house. and when he came back, I had six police officers waiting for him.
Starting point is 00:26:33 The police came out from behind brick walls and bushes that had automatic weapons, shotguns, and he didn't anticipate that. And he knew instantly that he didn't have a place to go. So he just put his hands up and gave up. The Cheatham County officers there took him into custody. In breaking news tonight, a lead suspect in the fast food murders is behind bars. Then the connections started to click once Paul Reed was captured and he found out about his history that he had gone to prison in Texas for robbery. There had been witnesses who had to testify.
Starting point is 00:27:15 He was convicted of armed robbery in 1984 and he was paroled with early release in 1990. When he left the Texas prison system, he had said, next time, I won't leave witnesses. He put an application at Shoney's. I interviewed him and hired him. When I said anything to him, it was always, yes, sir, no, sir. Very respectful. Until he got mad the day at Shonis and threw the plate and hit the dishwasher.
Starting point is 00:27:48 I'd never seen that side of him in the several months that he had worked for me. He had been down in the area where I lived in several stores, asked questions about me, and if they knew me and where I lived. He didn't do anything quickly or spontaneously as much as he thought about it and planned it, premeditated, if you will. He was smarter than they gave him credit for. He knew how to get out of things. He knew how to cover his tracks. He was still working for me when he was doing these crimes. I remember getting Josek, called him a moment.
Starting point is 00:28:22 up and I say, listen, we've got someone of interest that is very important that you come and help us out. Let me go pick you up. We'll go to the Murder Squad headquarters. I got the phone call to go to the police station. They told me that they got a few pictures that way I can look at him and see if he's someone I can recognize. They bring six pictures. When Jose looked at the photo lineup, he started sweating and trembling. And even the stained the paper with his sweat. I just got, I don't know, scared for a moment. I just, I just see him right there.
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Starting point is 00:32:28 We brought Paul Dennis Reed back to Nashville, and we sat down with him in an interview room and attempted to get him to tell us what happened. Are you certain that you have nothing that you want to say as far as the crime scenes on either Captain Dees or the crime scene on McDonald's or anything in between? I can positively confirm that to you. We tried multiple different ways.
Starting point is 00:32:54 multiple different ways to get him to talk. Good cop, bad cop. I mean, in general, you're in telling the person. That's a good man. He ought to come. I apologize. Paul Reed did refer to himself in the third person. Oh, Lord, this is crazy.
Starting point is 00:33:13 I mean, why would they do this to Paul Reed? And they really think of their minds, I did this, and I did that that. And he started making some odd. statements. I am under 24-hour government surveillance. I mean, every verbal word is under a monitoring device. He made statements like I wasn't the trigger man. I wouldn't, would you make absolutely no misjudgment that I am not, that I'm certain that I am not the trigger man.
Starting point is 00:33:47 I'm trying to be exactly honest with you that I did not fool the trigger. He never actually said he committed the homicides, but Jose Gonzalez picked him out of a photo lineup, and his fingerprints matched to the prints on the cards that belonged to Steve Hampton. Searches were done of his house, of his car. In that red car, there was evidence that matched at least one of the girls from Baskin-Robbins. I don't have a doubt in my mind that he committed the murder and the robbery. of Mr. Thoet, but we were never able to link him to the Shoney's case.
Starting point is 00:34:29 They never convicted him of what he did to me. I didn't have to go through that trial, thank goodness. They had enough evidence, fingerprints, and other evidence to connect him to the three of the cases that they had. The motive was a pure and simple greed of someone who cared nothing at all about him. at all about human life and only cared about the money.
Starting point is 00:34:57 Paul Reed ended up having three trials, the Captain D's trial, Baskin Robbins, and the last trial was the McDonald's trial. He testified in trial. Gonzalez showed jurors his stab wounds, described to jurors how Reed shot the victims in the Hermitage McDonald's and then tried to kill him with a knife.
Starting point is 00:35:18 It was hard. I was afraid to see him right there. in front of me, but I was sitting in the witness chair, and I pointed on him. I'll ask you if you would, Mr. Gonzalez. Would you stand up and see if you see the individual as being in a restaurant that night? That's it?
Starting point is 00:35:41 That's him? The orange. The one in orange. That's a record reflected, did it on by the defendant. So reflecting. Is that a face you will ever forget? There's any of Mr. Never can never be forgotten.
Starting point is 00:35:54 The eyewitness testimony of Mr. Gonzalez, in my opinion, was the key in the McDonald's trial. He acceded to me and me to point to the head. He approached me and he pointed the gun at my head. The defense tried to poke holes.
Starting point is 00:36:20 Just say at the end of the day, The jury should have that reasonable doubt, but three different juries each found. The evidence in each case was sufficient to convict him of every crime that he was charged with, and he received a total of seven death sentences, one for each victim. He was the only person in Tennessee to have received seven death sentences. That's about twice as many as anyone else currently on. on our death row. Paul Dennis Reed, he was a loser, he was a punk.
Starting point is 00:36:56 These were just your average American people working hard, and he took their lives in such a cold-blooded fashion. If he would have never been caught, he would have continued to kill. When I thought about Paul being the serial killer, that was surreal. That someone that worked for me could do that.
Starting point is 00:37:18 I don't think he had a soul or a conscience. He was mean to the core. Paul Reed spent a few years on death row. During that time, he got sick and on November 1st of 2013, he died. He died from pneumonia. That was way too easy a death for him compared to what he put these other victims through and the suffering that they went through. I met Jose at the trial.
Starting point is 00:37:46 He knew who I was, and I knew who he was. I can't imagine the terror that he was. he went through. It had to be overwhelming, overwhelming. I respect him a lot. It was sad to see the families, the people who died that day, crying sometimes in the courtroom. So being a survivor is big to me. I got the opportunity to be here for them. Today, I live in Nashville, New Hampshire, with my daughter and my wife. I work in construction, I feel like I'm the luckiest man in the world. By all rights, if I hadn't been so lucky, I wouldn't be here today.
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