Cold Case Files - I SURVIVED: I Knew I Wasn't The Only Victim

Episode Date: January 13, 2024

In 1999, Cynthia Vigil was abducted, held captive and tortured for three days. Her escape from the brink of death would stop The Toybox Killer, David Parker Ray, from harming any other women.Progressive: Multitask right now. Quote your car insurance at Progressive.com to join the over 28 million drivers who trust Progressive.  

An A&E original podcast. This episode contains descriptions of sexual assault and extreme violence. Listener discretion is advised. Seeing the room set up with the pulley systems in the ceiling and everything he had and then the tape, I knew it was something he did all the time. And at that point, I knew they had did this to other women. Cynthia Vigil Jaramillo grew up in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and had a rough childhood. I was born to a 15-year-old mother and a 17-year-old father.

Growing up, I didn't have much family. The family I did have didn't believe me on a situation that had occurred in the family, and so I felt like I didn't have nobody once. They didn't believe me. And my mother was the only one that believed me, but she was on drugs real bad, and I had to go with her every night while she did drugs

and worked the streets and did what she did during the nighttime. I had ended up on the streets because my mother had been found dead in Southwest Albuquerque. And they put her death off as a drug overdose and didn't investigate how she ended up in a ditch. So after my mother passed away, I basically had nobody. In March of 1999, 22-year-old Cynthia had been staying in a motel and needed money to pay the bill. I was living and working on the streets in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I had been working as a prostitute and selling drugs off and on for six years. I was running from a boyfriend that I had at the time, and I was hiding out from him,

and I had hid out at a motel at a friend's room, and I had stayed there all night. And in the morning, I had to get out before the office came asking for the rent money. So I had snuck out the bathroom window, and I had ran into some people I knew from the streets. My friend told me that some guy was looking for me by my name. I assumed it was for a date. And so we walked to the RV, and as we were approaching the RV, my friend got to the RV before me, and I seen that he got money,

and he took off and was like, bye, see you later. So I figured everything would be okay because my friend had been with him. So I got in the RV. The man who requested the date with cynthia was waiting inside i remember he was an older gentleman a wrinkly face he got a lot of sun so his face looked like leather he looked like oh i can't even explain how he looked he just looked like an old, frail old man. We talk about a date, and we go to the back of the RV, and he's handing me money. He handed me money, and I went to put the money in my sock.

And as I was coming back up, he pulled out a badge and handcuffs and told me I was under arrest. This is I Survived, the podcast where we talk to people who've lived through the worst things imaginable and all the tragic, messy, and wonderful things that happen after survival. I'm Caitlin VanMol. And he'd got one of my arms, one of my wrists in the cuffs,

and I asked him what department he was with because I had never seen a badge like that before. I just felt something was off that he wasn't a cop. I was trying to get away, so me and him were tussling, and he had one end of the handcuff, but it was on my wrist, and he was holding it, and I was trying to get to the door, and he was pulling me back. And when he said Cindy, I kind of freaked out because I had told him my name was Cindy,

but then at the same time, he supposedly asked for me by name. So when he had said Cindy, I kind of freaked out, and I stopped. At that point, some woman came out from behind a curtain in a closet part of the RV, and she had this red and white, long cattle prod. And she just jabbed it right in my neck and shocked me. And it knocked me over.

When it knocked me over, they pulled me back to the back of the RV. They had put both my hands in the cuffs behind my back and they handcuffed me to the cabinets in the RV. And they both got into the front seat and they started driving off. The female was blonde and she looked kind of innocent, like a blonde innocent woman. They didn't look evil in any way. They didn't look like they were capable of doing anything they did. At that point, with my hands behind my back, I had never really thought of what was going

to happen to me. I just knew I had to get out. And I twisted the knobs on the cabinets, and I got my arm, I got the cuffs loose from the cabinets. And I was like squatting down on my legs, and I was going to run for it as soon as the RV slowed down. I was going to run for it as soon as the RV slowed down. I was going to run for the door and just run out. But before she got her chance to run,

the man slammed on the brakes, which knocked Cynthia off balance, and she rolled forward in the RV. The couple realized she was loose and pulled over. And they both came to the back, and they got me, and they put me on the bed. And they had duct taped my, they took the handcuffs off, but duct taped my wrist together and duct taped my ankles. She got back in the driver's seat, and they started driving again. At that point, I was asking her, like, please let me go. Why are you doing this? And her response was, oh, don't worry.

We're just going to rape you. She said it in a way like it was normal, like it was everyday life for them. It kind of shocked me. I was in shock. I couldn't believe how she said it. It was just like it was normal to her. They put a leather mask on my head, and it had a belt around the neck.

The leather mask had no eyes. It had holes where the nose goes and a zipper with mesh on the mouth. I started acting like I was gagging and I was going to throw up. The woman took the leather mask off my head. At that point, I was able to see again. I just kept talking to her, and I was asking her to please let me go, and she's like, oh, I can't. I used so many different excuses

that people were gonna be looking for me. I had kids, which I didn't have kids. I don't know who would've been looking for me, but that's what I was telling the lady. And she finally got tired of me begging her to let me go. She told me, you know Daisy, right? And I told her, yes, I do know Daisy. And she told me, well, she's all right, ain't she?

So, so will you. Now shut up. And I was just like, I was in shock. After her comment, I knew at that point, I wasn't the only girl that had been a victim of theirs. After about an hour of driving, the RV pulled over and the man and the woman got in the back. They were trying to make me drink this bottle of hot damn liquor and he kept shoving it in my mouth and pouring it in my mouth and pouring it in my mouth,

and I kept spitting it back out. And he was getting really, really agitated with me because I kept spitting it out, and he kept trying to shove it, like make me drink it. And I would not drink it. I kept spitting it out. And they take all my clothes off, and they put duct tape around my face

from underneath my jaw through the top of my head, and then they wrap it around my mouth. And at that point, I start gagging, like if I'm going to throw up. So he made a comment, take the duct tape off the bitch, she's going to kill herself. Because I was acting like I was gagging. I was not gagging, but that was my way of trying to get the tape off my face.

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Court Junkie is available on Apple Podcasts and podcastone.com. After this struggle, the couple got back in the front of the RV and continued driving. We drove for about another 15 to 20 minutes and I feel the RV going over like dirt, like a bumpy dirt road. And it slowed down a lot. And then we turn a couple of times and he stops. And he gets out of the front seat and comes to the back. And they get me up and the female holds my arm. And they walk me from the RV into a trailer.

And the handcuffs are in the front of me, and my feet are shackled. I have no clothes on. And they walk me from the RV into a trailer, and I'm looking around, and I see other trailers. I was totally confused, because I didn't understand how they could walk me in broad daylight from an RV to a trailer with other trailers being around,

and no one see me. When they walked me into the trailer, it looked like a normal home, like home that you'd raise a family in. Pictures on the wall, a TV, couch, knickknacks, a radio, just like a normal, normal everyday home that normal people live in. I was so scared and confused that it was hard to understand what was going on. They walked me through the living room and down there was another room attached to the

living room, but it was lower than the living room, so I had to walk downstairs. Just a couple of stairs, not a lot. It was totally, totally different. It had upside down crosses. It had a bunch of things coming out of the ceiling. It was something out of like a horror movie. It was so unreal to me. I couldn't believe what I was seeing because once they sat me on the bed they put a metal collar around my neck that was attached to a metal chain and they handcuffed my hands to the top of the bed and they shackled my feet to the bottom of the bed. So I was laying there with my hands above my head with my neck connected to the wall.

My feet were connected to the bottom of the bed. So I pretty much couldn't move. And I had no clothes on. And she makes him a sandwich, and he sits at the table and eats it. But while he's eating, he went to his stereo, and he played a tape. The tape he played was a recording of his voice telling me what's going to happen,

what has happened in the past, how to behave. It was really, really creepy creepy and he's just eating while this is playing like it's no big deal and it seemed like he got tired of like telling girls what was going to happen that he pre-recorded it so he just play the recording for the women i remember starting off saying, hello, bitch, that I was taken for my looks and my body type and size. It also said that I would be raped over and over and that I'd have to do stuff to him. And if I bit him in any way that he would get I would get killed. I want to say he had made a comment about another girl biting him and she didn't make it. It talked about the different size of sex toys that would be inserted to me in different ways and he talked about how I should act it it talked about a lot a lot of stuff I was really really scared listening to that.

It was hard to even think about defending myself, being handcuffed and shackled the way I was. I was never free. And the female always had a gun. So I was always put into positions where I wasn't able to fight back. They went on about their day after the tape got done playing. Like, it was everyday life. I was in the room next to the living room, tied up, totally naked.

The couple continued about their business as if Cynthia wasn't tied up in the other room. The woman began tidying the trailer and the man said he was going to go clean up the RV. She was cleaning up, collecting laundry. I know she got the shoes. He brought the stuff from the RV inside and she had put my clothes in the basket with the dirty clothes and she got my shoes and put the shoes together by the sliding door that was in the room I was in. He is just helping her, like, tidy up, too. He disappeared down a hallway in the trailer,

and he comes back, and he has this, like, battery, and it's connected to this switchboard, and it has wires coming out of it, and he sits on the bed next to me, and he put this, like, lubricant on my boobs and on my privates, and he connected the... They were like clamps, and they were connected to the board. He connected them to my boobs and my privates,

and as she's cleaning, he's sitting there playing with his board, shocking me. He wanted me to beg him. He got off on me begging him and me hurting. The more I hurt, the more he got off. But once Cynthia realized his disturbing reaction to her pain, she decided to use it to her advantage. I realized that I could take some control back Once Cynthia realized his disturbing reaction to her pain, she decided to use it to her advantage.

I realized that I could take some control back of what was going on. So in a sense, I was playing games with him too. Because I realized every time that I cried or begged or was in pain, he'd get so excited, he'd start doing it more and making the shocks go higher and harder. And if I didn't show him emotion, he got frustrated. He would go up higher and try to put it higher to make me, and if I didn't give him emotion, at that point, he finally stopped. He got frustrated with it and finally stopped it. The woman, meanwhile, was making dinner.

When the food was ready, the man stopped shocking Cynthia and went to eat. He sat down and he ate dinner. And then they sat on the couch and they were talking about a little girl that they were going to kidnap. And they were talking about their plan. So I'm just laying there like if I wasn't even there. And they're going on about their life like it's everyday life and I'm just laying there. In addition to her current horrifying situation, Cynthia was also starting to go through withdrawal. I'm exhausted. I'm in a lot of pain.

I was addicted to drugs at the time, and not having the drugs that I was addicted to, my body was going through changes on top of everything I had gone through with him, shocking me. I was so exhausted. I was just laying there, and I was dozing in and out. I was trying not to fall asleep, but I was so exhausted, I was just laying there, and I was dozing in and out. I was trying not to fall asleep, but I was so exhausted I was falling asleep. And they made a bed on the living room floor, and they went to bed in the living room like it was normal.

They watched a movie. Cynthia spent the night chained to the wall with no hope of help coming to find her. There was pretty much nobody looking for me except the guy I was dating at the time, and the only reason why he was looking for me was for the drugs. He would just ask people, have you seen her, have you seen her? It wasn't like he was out looking for me.

Like, the cops would have never been called. I would have never been reported missing at that point. My relationship with the family I did have left was severely broken, and it wasn't like they ever went looking for me or they, I don't even know when they would have reported me missing or if they would have even reported me missing. So that was really scary knowing that nobody was looking for me. So they would have never have traced me getting in that RV. So if I would have been killed or whatever, if I would have been there for years, nobody would ever have been looking for me or connected me to that RV.

So it was really, really scary. This is the point where things get pretty gruesome. We're about to hear Cynthia describe the details of her torture. If you don't want to hear that, skip ahead. So the morning started off with me being hung from the ceiling and beat with whips and different sexual toys inserted. And then from there, I got taken to a back room. They tied me to the massage table, and they clamped these clamps to my breast and to my privates,

but at different times. And they would shock me, and as they would shock me, my body would jerk. That went on for about 45 minutes. The man had several contraptions that he used to torture Cynthia, and he was also documenting the process. He took pictures. He put duct tape over my tattoos and took pictures of this as it was going on. This whole time I had the metal collar around my neck, and that's what they were, that's what they were holding on to as they were walking me from room to room and they walked me

back into the room where I had been originally tied to the bed they tied me back to the bed they put up the leg spreaders and the ankle spreaders on me again they inserted a bunch of different torture devices in me. Some had spikes, some had shocking devices on it that shocked me inside. Then they put me on the floor. The woman literally grabbed the knee spreaders and pulled me off the bed and didn't realize I'm still tied by my neck to the wall,

so it choked me. He called her killer. He giggled and was like, calm down, killer. He untied my neck from the wall or he took the padlock off that tied me to the wall and she grabbed the knee spreaders and pulled me off the bed so I hit the floor pretty hard. I was still handcuffed and my legs were in a certain position with the leg and knee spreaders. They got me back up and put me back on the bed and handcuffed and shackled me onto the bed.

They put me on my stomach at one point and inserted more torture devices. And, oh, God, after that, they handcuffed and shackled my arms and my legs back to the bed. And they went on about life and made a bed on the floor, watched a movie, went to sleep. Another day passed and the next day was the same as the first. The next day, which was the third day I was there, they got up in the morning, and I was so exhausted. I was in so much pain. My wrists were raw from being hung from the ceiling. My ankles were raw from being hung and from the handcuffs and shackles.

I was just bruised. I was cut. I was exhausted at that point, so I was in and out of sleep. He sat on the bed next to me and he took the handcuffs and shackles off me and he loosened the chain that chained me to the wall. He loosened a couple of links and he put a bucket next to the bed and told me that was my bathroom for the day. And he was dressed in, he looked like a cop, in green slacks, a button-up brown shirt, and a jacket that had like fur around the neck. He was dressed and looked like a cop. He told me he was going to work and that when he got back from work, I was going to go to

the toy box. And he said, so rest up because you're going to the toy box tonight. The woman was still there, but she left Cynthia alone and went about her day. She cleans and she sits down and watches soap operas. And she got a phone call and she got super excited about the phone call. But when she went down the hallway and she disappeared where I couldn't see her no more, I realized she had left the keys that they had always carried on the coffee table in the living room. I was able to reach the coffee table with my feet and I pulled the table towards me

and I was able to get the keys. And I tried pushing the table back, but it snagged on the carpet and went crooked. And at that point, there was nothing I could do about that. I just had to curl up in a ball against the wall and try to get my neck loose from the wall. Now that she had the keys, Cynthia had to act fast before the woman ended her phone call. So I got the keys and I wanted to get the collar, the metal collar off my neck,

but I wasn't able to get the metal collar off my neck. So the next thing I was able to do was get the chain unlocked from the wall that it locked me to the wall and as I was trying there was a lot of keys on there as I was trying to key she walked in and she seen that I had the keys and she ran down and was trying to fight me for them she beat me with a glass lamp I knew if I didn't get away that I would I would die I would not have survived at that point. I just knew it wouldn't be a good outcome if I didn't get away.

So if she's beating me with a lamp, I'm telling myself like, no, you have to follow this all the way through, you cannot give up. When the lock finally popped, I seen the phone and an ice pick on the bed. And I grabbed both the phone and the ice pick and I dialed 911 and I dropped the phone and an ice pick on the bed and I grabbed both the phone and the ice pick and I dialed 911 and I dropped the phone. I guess the 911 operator answered the 911 call but you could hear us fighting and I stabbed her. I tried to stab her with ice pick. I went at her head with it

and I hit her forehead and when she grabbed her forehead and yelled I jumped from the bed to the living room floor and I ran out the front door. When I had escaped, I still had the metal collar with the chain link chain. It was dragging on the floor. That's how long it was. And I'm bleeding and I'm running with the metal collar on my neck and bloody and no clothes whatsoever and this lady pulls up on the side of me and I'm begging her for help and she rolls up the window and locks the door and she turns left and I turn right at the four-way and she pulls over and calls the cops and says there's a crazy woman on drugs running up the street naked and I stayed running and I kept looking at all these trailers but they look like nobody was home and I just ran and I kept looking at all these trailers, but they looked like nobody was home.

And I just ran and I finally seen this trailer. I don't even know how I realized somebody was home. I ran down their driveway and into their yard and I went into their trailer and there was this lady doing dishes. And I grabbed her from behind and I asked her for help. And I had no clothes on and I was bloody, naked, exhausted, dirty. And she told me to sit down and she sat me down on her white stool. And I'm full of blood.

And her husband comes in and he stops. He's like looking at me like in total shock. And she's on the phone with 911. She yells at him to go get her pink robe, and he goes and brings the robe in, and he hands it to her, and she covers me with the robe. When the officers get there, I'm looking out the front window, and I'm not trusting any of the cops that come

because they're dressed the same way he was dressed when he went to work. She didn't know if her torturer would be among those that had responded to the call. I'm still scared. I'm still not safe in my head. I still wasn't safe. The lady promised me that I'd be okay. The guy promised me that I would be okay. He told me, I have a gun. I'm not going to let them hurt you. I won't let them take you. But in my head, I'm still not safe because these cops are coming and they're dressed like he was dressed when he went to work.

So I locked myself in these people's trailer and they're telling me to open the door. The cops are and I'm like, no, I'm telling them I'm not opening the door. It wasn't finally until a state cop showed up that I ran out the trailer, and I grabbed him, and I stayed by him. I didn't trust nobody else. So he puts me in the cop car, and he drives me to the hospital, and I get to the hospital. A bunch of cops just start showing up, and they do the rape kit. They take all their evidence, take statements,

and I hear over the radio that they're bringing her to the hospital, and I totally panic. I want to leave the hospital. The woman that kidnapped Cynthia was brought to the same hospital to be treated for her wounds from the ice pick. And the only cop that I trusted

when the cops first showed up, he stayed with me the whole time. He did not leave me alone. He did not leave. Like he stood at my door the whole time and he comes inside and he tells me that he's not going to let them take me. Don't you? He's all, don't you trust me? And I'm like, yes, I trust you. He's like, okay, well trust me now. I'm not going to let nothing happen to you. He's like, I'm going to stay right here until she gets booked into jail. And so he stayed the whole time in the room with me. He did not leave at all. Cynthia did not want to be anywhere near this woman, but she had injuries that definitely needed medical attention. I had a lot, a lot of cuts from the lamp. I'm in so much pain. I have cuts over 90% of my body. It took them hours to pick

glass out of my body, my back, my knees, my feet. I tore the heel of my foot off running. It was hard. I was defeated at this point. Police quickly identified the owner of the trailer and moved to make arrests. David Parker Ray and Cynthia Hendy were both arrested on May 23, 1999. Ray was a mechanic at Elephant Butte National Park, and his work uniform is what Cynthia confused for a police uniform. Cynthia Hendy also went by the name Cindy, so that's how I'll refer to her to keep her straight from our survivor, Cynthia Vigil Jaramillo. Two other victims came forward after the news broke of David Parker Ray's arrest. Kelly Van Cleave was friends with Ray's daughter, Glenda Jean Ray. In 1997, Glenda was giving Kelly a ride home one night, but they stopped at Glenda's house first.

Glenda went into another room with her father, and when they came out, one held Kelly at knife point while the other tied her up. Glenda Jean Ray was arrested on April 26, 1999. The other victim, Angelica Montano, was attacked just one month before Cynthia in 1999. I didn't follow the investigation too much because it was really hard for me to go back to her, you know, hear what he was doing. The cops would give me updates on what was going on, to go back to where, you know, hear what he was doing. The cops would give me updates on what was going on, the state police and the FBI.

But I didn't follow it on the news at all. At the time, I didn't understand what I had stopped by escaping. It wasn't until years later that I realized that I had stopped a monster. But the anger I held on for a while was kind of hard. I had to release that anger. I was angry that there was other survivors.

I had to realize that Kelly Van Cleave was drugged and she didn't remember. I wasn't too angry at her because she didn't understand. She didn't remember it. She was given what they were trying to give me at the beginning of my kidnapping. Angelique Montano, I had to put myself in her shoes. And what would I have done if I would have been released? And that's what made me release the anger was I had to put myself in her shoes. And maybe she just wanted to forget what she had went through because I know what she went through in there.

I know what I went through, because I know what she went through in there. I know what I went through, so I know what she went through. I had to realize and understand that there was a reason why she didn't come forward, and whatever reason it was, it was okay. Because maybe if she did come forward and she would have talked to the police, nothing might have happened. They might not have believed her, because to hear, you know, to hear that kind of story, you're gonna be like, wow, I don't believe it. I don't believe there's someone out there

with all this stuff. So maybe by me escaping the way I did, it did, it stopped him. Maybe he couldn't have been stopped another way. While investigating David Parker Ray, police discovered another structure on his property. Inside, they found what was described as a chamber of horrors, a gynecology chair, chains, medical tools, and torture devices. This was what Ray referred to as the toy box. Given the extreme nature of Ray's crimes, investigators were sure he had done this many times before

and likely had killed some of the women he had kidnapped. Cindy Hendy, Ray's girlfriend and the woman present when Cynthia was kidnapped, told police Ray told her he had been involved in at least 14 murders. Investigators dug up his entire yard and did extensive searches of nearby Elephant Butte Lake, but never found any bodies. I know there's never been any bodies found, but there's a video of him killing women. There is missing women that were last seen with him and his daughter that are missing,

and they've been missing for 20-plus years. So, yeah, I believe that he's a serial killer. I know one of my goals in life is to give the family back their loved ones. I would love to find out what he did with these bodies and love to give their family closure. Cindy Hendy pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 36 years in prison. She was released on parole in 2019. David Parker Ray faced the three kidnapping trials separately. Kelly Van Cleaves was first, but ended in a mistrial. In a retrial, Ray was convicted on 12 charges. After Cynthia testified in the trial for her kidnapping, Ray suddenly

decided to take a plea deal in an effort to save his daughter. He agreed to plead guilty in Cynthia and Kelly's cases in exchange for his daughter getting probation and dropping the third case, that of Angelica Montano. We had gone back and forth with a couple of trials with Kelly Van Cleave and the case was so crazy and hearing the evidence, people didn't understand or realize that that was going on. That's how crazy and sadistic and horrible this man was that people could not believe what he was doing. So we struggled with the courts, but he pleaded out on my case and he got 224 years.

I was really, really happy that he got 224 years. However, David Parker Ray would serve less than one year of his 224-year sentence. He died on May 28, 2002, of a heart condition. Everyone wanted me to be upset that he passed away. And I couldn't understand why they wanted me to be upset. I was like, it's okay that he passed away. We're not paying to keep him alive anymore. You know, taxpayers ain't paying all this money every day to keep him alive. He's where he deserves to be.

They wanted me to feel mad, and they wanted me to want him to suffer. And at that point, I had already not forgiven him, but I had already stopped being his victim. So I was okay with him passing away. Today, Cynthia runs a nonprofit called Street Safe New Mexico. I have a nonprofit called Street Safe New Mexico that I started in 2009 when 11 women were found on the West Mesa in a mass grave. So I started Street Safe New Mexico with Christine Barber and it's been serving the women that have

been raped, trafficked, or attacked. We put out a bad date list. We give out condoms, tampons, hygiene, and girls that have been trafficked or raped, we try to get them a motel room. We recently started getting them housed. The ones that don't have housing, we've been getting them housed. We run on a very little budget, but we've made it work all these years. Helping others helps me not be a victim of David Parker Ray. When I felt like a victim, he had a lot of power and control over me every day. And by me releasing, being the victim, I took power. To speak to someone at the Rape, Abuse, Incest National Network, call 1-800-656-HOPE or 1-800-656-4673.

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