Cold Case Files - The Smoking Gun

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

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or $39.99 a year. And now on onto the show. The following episode contains intensely disturbing accounts of violence. Listener discretion is advised. Audrey's personality was big. She had the signature laugh and she had a lot of friends. Audrey loved everyone. Unbelievable when that happened.

Like, who would want to hurt her? The fact that this young mother was shot and killed in front of her two young daughters in the same bedroom, that's about as terrible as it gets. I was a really scared kid. I thought they were going to come back for me and my sister. Audrey Gianotti's case, it was the worst that I've seen of humankind. We didn't understand why there was no arrest yet.

I was determined to get justice. I never lost hope. There are over 100,000 cold cases in America. Only about 1% are ever solved. This is one of those rare stories. It's January 13, 2007 in Laureldale, Pennsylvania. It's a cold, dark winter night. Jackie and Terry Hollenbach are asleep. When Jackie suddenly awakens, she senses something isn't right. Harold Schenck is a retired Berks County DA investigator.

Jackie smells something hot or burning. She went downstairs to investigate and she noticed that the front door and the patio doors were open. She wakes their friend Cory Van Curen, who was asleep on the fold-out couch in the living room. She tried to turn on the basement lights, but they didn't go on. So she sent Cory to get Terry up, and then Terry came down and joined them.

They then proceeded down to the basement just to kind of check everybody was okay. The room in the basement was converted into a bedroom for their niece, Audrey, her boyfriend Bobby, and their two young daughters. The strange smell is emanating from the basement, but Jackie, Terry, and Corey find no signs of smoke or fire as they descend the stairs. When he got downstairs, he realized that the light bulbs were smashed or broken because

there was glass on the floor. The smell from the light bulbs might have permeated up to the first floor. When Terry entered the bedroom, he saw Audrey laying on the bed face up, but she was covered by a blanket. She was unresponsive. He moved the blanket and saw the blood by her head. Initially, he thought maybe she was just beat or assaulted.

And then upon closer inspection, he saw what appeared to possibly be a gunshot wound to her head. He yelled for Jackie to call 911. It was at that point that he realized that the two daughters were in the bedroom. And he picked up both daughters and proceeded back upstairs, waiting for law enforcement to arrive. I remember sitting outside the house,

and it was cold, and I was in my pajamas, and there were a bunch of cop cars everywhere, and everyone was crying. But I didn't really know what was going on. I just knew that my mom was hurt. Jason Wink is a former police officer with the Laureldale Police. This was my first homicide, working at Laureldale.

I did see the aunt, uncle, and Corey standing by the sidewalk. And the aunt and uncle were visibly shaken. The children were taken to a minivan where they were sleeping. Order Giannotti's case, it was the worst that I've seen of humankind. I was called in by the Berks County District Attorney's Office. I got prepared at home and I got the forensic vehicle. I responded to the address. And before I did anything, I started taking photographs.

I remember the house being a single house. It was a covered front porch. When you got to the front door, walking in, there was a sofa bed that hadn't pulled out. Of course, the bedrooms were upstairs, but the victim, she had a bedroom down in the basement. It was a dark, musty type of basement. In the rear of the basement, there

was a bedroom created with baby crib and a bassinet and a bed and the body of a white female was on the bed with blood on her head. When I looked at all that I saw I felt as though it's a murder scene. She was a victim of a gunshot wound to the head. a murder scene. She was a victim of a gunshot wound to the head. The children were in that basement bedroom. The shot went out. They wouldn't have known what that was. It was just devastating. The Holland Box confirmed the identity of the woman as their niece, Audrey Gianotti. Jennifer Gianotti-Pirato is Audrey's mother. Audrey Gianotti. Jennifer Gianotti-Pirato is Audrey's mother. Audrey was born August 19, 1986.

Audrey had a remarkable personality. She had a lot of friends. She had a laugh, a signature laugh. She was amazing, amazing soul, beautiful soul. When Audrey is just 12 years old, her happy childhood is marred by tragedy. Her father committed suicide and it affected her, it affected us all deeply. I knew they were grieving. A depression set in and that's when she was skipping school. Her grades, that's when they were failing, but she still hung out with her friends. They would go to karaoke. They would hang out at

get-togethers parties. They would hang out on the porch at her friend's house, and they'd draw a lot of attention. And that's when she met Bobby. Bobby was Audrey's first serious relationship. Audrey's personality was zig. Bobby wasn't loud. He was quiet. He was soft-spoken. She saw someone that listened to her, paid attention. She was a joker, and he liked that about her.

He would laugh. They never took anything serious. One morning, I woke up to a note from Audrey. She had to tell me something. She was 16 when she got pregnant. She was a wonderful, wonderful mother. Audrey and Julia lived with me, and I supported her in every way.

We did the best we could with the circumstances we were under. While Jennifer is happy for Audrey, tensions begin to rise with the young family, all living under the same roof. Audrey started sneaking Bobby in. I told Audrey, he cannot stay here. We had a huge fight. She called her aunt and her aunt and uncle came and got her.

Audrey, Bobby and Julia move in with her aunt Jackie and uncle Terry in nearby Laureldale. Soon after they settle into the basement apartment, Audrey discovers she is pregnant again. Bobby, Audrey, and Julia just living there was tight enough. And then to add, another child was cramped. It was very small, very tight quarters to live. But she wasn't going to live without Bobby. Initially, we found the casing of a nine millimeter, but we didn't see the projectile.

Then we lifted the mattress, saw the exit of a bullet, and then we found the projectile. That was something that was critical. When she was shot, the perpetrator had to be at her feet to shoot her so that the projectile ended up here after going through her skull and the mattress. Investigators expand their search, combing the entire house for evidence. As I was walking through, I'm looking for, is there a forced entry? You're picking up on any kind of signs of violence. Everything appeared to be normal.

But when detectives get to the bathroom, they make a baffling discovery. There were live rounds in the toilet. About a handful. Live rounds. You know, you tell your partner, bells and whistles go off. I've never seen 16 rounds in a toilet bowl. On any crime scene, why would bullets be in the toilet? It's a different crime scene, seeing that somebody went to the bathroom versus running

out the back door window. Somebody took their time. It's still well before sunrise as investigators round up the occupants of the Hollenbach home for questioning. It's very important to conduct those interviews immediately to try to obtain as much information, background information as possible. However, one occupant who wasn't present at the time was Audrey's boyfriend, Bobby Haynes. He was the last person that was known to be with Audrey prior to her murder. He was the last person with her when she was still alive.

Audrey Giannotti was a young mother. She was 20 years old when she was murdered. She was in a romantic relationship with Bobby Haynes. She was shot and killed in front of her two little daughters in the same room. That is absolutely just as bad as it gets. It was reported that the boyfriend was on location earlier that evening. He was not present when the initial officer arrived. That sparked our interest.

It was an extremely important interview, Bob, and you find out obviously where he was, who he was with. With police lights illuminating the crime scene, Bobby Haynes emerges from the backseat of a car and walks towards the house. I was outside in my personal vehicle. From the other side of the street is where he was walking up. And I saw him and course, other officers engage. Who are you? You're the boyfriend.

You're Bobby. He seems surprised, not really sure what's going on, but finds out that something happened. The investigators tell him that Audrey's deceased. I believe everybody reacts differently. Bobby seemed emotionless. The other concern was he didn't ask about his daughters, which I think caught the curiosity of law enforcement.

Investigators bring everyone in for questioning. They begin with Audrey's boyfriend, Bobby Haynes. Bobby Haynes told the detectives that Audrey, Bobby, and their two children, they went to a party that night. They came home to the residence. Shortly after that, a phone call came in and it was Bobby's friend, and the friend asked Bobby if he would go for a ride with him.

That resulted in a brief argument between Audrey and Bobby because Audrey didn't want Bobby to leave. He left, and he got picked up by his two friends. They just drove around Berks County for hours. So he had an alibi that he was out and with those friends. However, we knew that there was a slight disagreement with Audrey before he left the residence. — Down the hall, investigators interview Audrey's

aunt and uncle and their friend, Corey Van Curin. When Terry and Jackie Hollenbach were interviewed by the detectives, neither one stated that they ever heard a gunshot. They're both asleep up on the second floor, their bedroom doors closed, and they have a humidifier on. But neither one ever heard a gunshot. It was very upsetting to them, especially for Terry discovering her body.

And then when you factor in that the children were in the same bedroom at the time when her mother was murdered, it was pretty disturbing. During the initial interview with Corey Van Curen, he doesn't have a whole lot of detail. It's very general. Never heard nothing, had really no information. But I remember the one response when he was asked if he killed Audrey Gianotti. And his response was, hell no. After speaking with investigators, Aunt Jackie makes a difficult call to Audrey's mom, Jennifer.

They took us into a bedroom, and all I remember hearing was Jackie blurt out, Audrey was shot last night. I said, is she alive? She said, no, she's dead. And I remember the worst scream and collapsing. And I just remember Frank picking me up off the floor. Frank Perotto is Audrey's stepfather. And we were like, what are you talking about?

I just talked to her. And she started going into detail that she was in the basement and someone shot her in the head. It took a part of my heart away from me. Back at the station, investigators contact Bobby's friends to corroborate his alibi. And under further questioning,

they uncover critical information Bobby failed to share earlier. One of the details that Bobby left out is the fact that he showered before he left the residence that night. Was that just an honest oversight or was there a reason why he didn't want to say he showered before he left? That might lead law enforcement to believe that there's blood on him or maybe he's trying to get rid of some biological evidence or DNA. Investigators run a background check on Bobby.

One of the things in his background was he provided a firearm to a friend and that firearm was possessed and used in robbery. That ultimately caught up with Bobby. The firearm was the same kind of weapon used in the murder of Audra Gionati. It was a 9mm. The cops told me that and I had told the cop to his face, well, I think you need to lock him up because if anything happens to any more of my family, you can come and arrest me. When it comes to grocery shopping and meal planning, I've got this problem. I'm always

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that out. A forensic autopsy was conducted at Reading Hospital Medical Center on Audrey Gianotti. And during that forensic autopsy, the forensic pathologists identified separate injuries. David Wright is a retired Brooks County DA investigator. The palm side of her hand had an entry wound of a bullet, and then on the other side of her skull was an exit wound of a bullet. Audrey has what appears to be your classic defensive wound with the hand up and a gunshot wound to the palm through the hand and into the head.

When they were doing the skull examination, the doctor noticed another injury, which was a blunt force strike on the skull. And he said, the item that you should be looking for, either the barrel of a gun or a hammer, which really gave us some information that we didn't know. The detectives wanted to go back to the residence to look for any other objects or instruments or weapons that could have possibly been utilized to cause the blunt force trauma to her head. The detectives soon find what they're looking for. The hammers in this case, a claw hammer and a ball peen hammer, were in the basement area of this

house. The claw hammer was on a washing machine and the ball peen hammer was in a box full of miscellaneous items. I tested the ball peen hammer for the smallest part of that ball, and I used a blood trace chemical, and it was positive for blood. After that was completed, I processed that hammer and the claw hammer for fingerprints, figuring somebody had a hold of that. There were no prints of value on any of the surfaces. Meanwhile, at the Laureldale Police Department, the Hollenbach's house guest, Corey Van Kuren, is brought back in for a follow-up interview.

Terry Hollenbach and Corey Van Kuren were best friends for a long time. Probably Terry Hollenbach would say they were like brothers. That's how close they were. Corey would spend the weekends at the Hollenbach's residence. The Hollenbachs would provide transportation because Corey had a suspended license relative to a prior DUI conviction. We know preliminarily that there's a discharged nine millimeter shell casing in the basement in the bedroom in close proximity to Audrey's body. At that point, the detectives learned that Corey owns an Intratech nine millimeter handgun. There was a list of like at least six manufacturers on that ballistics report from the state police,

and one of them was Intratech. That could be the break in the case. Cory's firearm, it could be the smoking gun. The detectives learn from Cory he owns an Intratech 9mm handgun. However, as a result of his supervision from his DUI, he's restricted from possessing any firearms, and the firearm was secured up at his mother's residence. The detectives decide to contact the Pennsylvania State Police and request their assistance, and that is respond to the residents in Lehigh County.

Someone from the state police contacted the detectives and indicated that Cory's mother stated the gun was there. And then one of our detectives contacted her. She provided all the identifying information for the firearm. The firearm was secured up at his mother's residence. That ruled out his gun as being the murder weapon. As investigators continue searching for leads, they return to a question that has perplexed them since the night of the murder. How could anyone in the house that night have slept through a gunshot?

After the interviews were conducted and the Holland Box stated that they never heard a gunshot, a few members of the investigative team returned to Burrell Street and essentially wanted to recreate a loud noise like a gun being discharged. So they decided to get a metal pan and a flashlight and go down into the basement into the bedroom and bang on that metal pan. Another member of the investigative team was upstairs on the second floor to see if they would in fact hear the metal banging of the pan and flashlight.

What they found was that if you were sound asleep, you more than likely would not have heard the noise. Months pass, then years. Audrey's mother and stepfather take custody of Jaleah and Jamora and try to start a new life. But their daughter's unsolved murder weighs heavy on them all. It was just upsetting that, you know, no one was arrested for her murder, though there was no other suspects.

You get discouraged, you know. Someone's got to be accountable for their actions. I never understood in depth what a case going cold meant, but I was scared. I was a really scared kid because I knew that there was someone out there that hurt my mom, and I thought they were gonna come back for me and my sister. With the suspect pool dwindling,

Audrey Gianotti's case goes cold until one year later. The detectives that were assigned this investigation got to a point where they were in an impasse. There's no tips coming in, there's no additional information coming in. They got to a point where they also looked at other unsolved or open investigations in Berks County to see if there were any commonalities between the cases. They came up with nothing. And it takes a toll on investigators because they not only have a duty, but they're passionate about what they do.

And they want to solve this case just as much as anyone else. And it's even more difficult to face a family and basically tell them that you simply don't know who killed their loved one. It's now October 2010 in Laureldale, Pennsylvania, three years and nine months after Audrey Gianotti's murder. When Audrey's case went cold, I had hope. I knew it wasn't going to stay cold. Me and Frank, what we didn't understand was why there was no arrest yet.

That was until Harold Schenck. I was assigned to take a look at Audrey's case. At the time, I was in law enforcement for approximately 20 years. I give 110% in any investigation that's assigned to me. This young mother was shot and killed in front of her two young daughters in the same bedroom, laying in close proximity to their mother.

That's about as terrible as it gets. So I was going to work as hard as I can to bring this family some closure and find out who killed their mother. I reviewed every single investigative report, including DNA, ballistics. I reviewed everything. Nobody was ruled out at that time when I was given the case because it's a fresh set of eyes looking over a case. Detective Schenck starts anew, beginning with the night Audrey's body was discovered.

The scene was processed by the Forensic Services Unit for the Berksh County Detectives for the collection and preservation of any evidence, fingerprints, DNA, blood, physical evidence, and there was nothing that was foreign. All the items that were carved in the basement from the bed, the blood was associated with Audrey Gianotti. There were no signs of forced entry, other than the doors that were discovered that were open when Jackie came down to the first floor. We have busted lights in the basement.

I'm of the opinion and pretty certain that somebody did that to make it appear as though somebody broke into the home and that this was some sort of random act. And I concluded that it was a staged crime scene. We knew they were reopening the case, taking a good look. Fresh eyes. Harold Schenck told me everyone in that house is a suspect. And I remember thinking, wow.

Then it woke the mama bear up in me. I was determined to get justice. The fact that Audrey's body was covered up, including her face, leads me to believe that the killer and Audrey were known to one another. This is the Hollenbachs residence here in Laureldale. This is the front door to the residence that Jackie discovered was open when she came downstairs.

The evidence that was presented to crime scene was somewhat puzzling and confusing. One would think initially that this was a random act that somebody just entered the residence and for whatever reason targeted Audrey Giannotti. But there's no foreign DNA. And there were no signs of forced entry, just that these doors were wide open. Makes no sense.

Detective Schenck sets out to test his theory that Audrey was killed by someone she knew. I scheduled interviews with a lot of the people that were initially interviewed in the investigation. And one of those people was Audrey's boyfriend, Bobby Haynes. I basically wanted a fresh start with Bobby Haynes. He was cooperative. He provided almost the same information as he did early on in the investigation. And there was nothing that jumped out at me at that point. Next, Shank meets with the Hollenbachs.

Jackie and Terry Hollenbach, when I met and talked to them, they were still devastated by the senseless killing of their niece Audrey. Something that was life changing for them. There were really no concerns over their truthfulness or cooperativeness. Nothing. As Shank prepares to meet with the last person on his list, house guest Corey Van Kuren, he takes another look at evidence reports. The ballistics evidence that was recovered at that scene, which included the discharge shell casing, it was definitely a 9 millimeter and at least six manufacturers and one of them

was Intratech. I already knew that Corey Van Curen owned an Intratech 9mm handgun. Back in 2007, two Pennsylvania State Troopers responded to Cory's mother's house to determine whether or not that Intratech 9mm is present at that location. The troopers that went there said the gun was there, and then one of our own detectives contacted Cory's mother, and she provided information on the gun was there. And then one of our own detectives contacted Corey's mother, and she provided information on the gun. But what was clear to me is nobody laid eyes on that firearm at Corey's mother's house.

That needed to be a priority. Detective Schenck suspects that the Intratech 9mm is the murder weapon. I needed to find and locate that firearm and submit it for testing. I contacted Corey. We arranged to meet October 25th, 2010 at his residence. I asked Corey about his firearm, if he still owns it.

He acknowledged he did. I recall asking him if it's at his mother's residence, and he says, no, it's upstairs. And I was like speechless for two seconds, because I couldn't believe that he told me his firearm's upstairs. I directed Corey to keep the firearm in the holster, and he went upstairs. It was risky, because had Corey refused,

there was nothing I could have done. Waiting for Corey to come back down with the firearm was very unsettling. Things could go the wrong way real quick. He came down the steps, gun was secured in the holster, and I remember him asking me when I left there, what happens next? And I said, well, I have to submit this for testing and, you know, we'll see what happens. Did I feel pretty good at that point? I was just shocked that he still had the firearm,

so I wanted to kind of be open-minded and impartial and follow the evidence here. The Intertec 9mm handgun, along with the ballistics evidence from the scene, all were sent up to the Pennsylvania State Police for comparison. Unfortunately, it can take months sometimes for ballistics testing. Luckily, one ballistics examiner who I've done a lot of work with saw the case come in and he decided to prioritize it. The day before Thanksgiving, I received a phone call from the ballistics examiner. I remember him saying, you did it again. You got the murder weapon. When the ballistics examiner said, you got the murder weapon, I knew it was Audrey's case,

and I was speechless. I think the hair stood up on my arms. I was just, I couldn't believe it. We got the murder weapon, and that we're gonna solve this case. We had the murder weapon, which belongs to Corey. That matches the ballistics evidence in the bedroom weapon which belongs to Corey. That matches the ballistics evidence in the bedroom, which is the projectile in the discharge shell

casing, and we were ready to charge this guy with murder. I filed the charges and then I had a operational plan set up for Tuesday morning. We had members of our office conduct some surveillance up in the mass to establish timelines of when Corey was leaving to go to work so that we could conduct a traffic stop on him. That Tuesday morning, we had a team up there early and in an area that was safe to pull him over, he was taken into custody. During our ride, unsolicited, Corey blurted out, I guess I'll be spending the rest of my life in jail.

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Corey admitted striking her in the head, and Corey wound up shooting her in the head. Corey admitted to busting light bulbs in the basement, covered up Audrey's body with a blanket, and then he went back upstairs. Corey admitted to dumping the bullets in the toilet, but that they wouldn't flush. So at some point, Corey left,

secured the firearm out in the vehicle owned by the Holland Box. In review of all the photographs of the crime scene, there was one point where Corey was standing out in a sidewalk in close proximity to a van owned by the Holland box. Almost like he's safeguarding the vehicle. He knows the murder weapons in there. I was told they made an arrest. And I just went blank. I said, who was it? They said, Cory.

I was in disbelief. I remember this day like it was yesterday. My grandma said that she needed to tell us something serious. She told me in Jamora that Cory had killed our mom. And I felt my heart drop. It's now October 10th, 2012, five years and seven months after Audrey's murder. Corey VanCuren is charged with first degree murder. It's an automatic life sentence if he's convicted or enters a guilty plea.

Corey decided to go to trial. There's nothing to lose. During Corey's confession, he stated to me that he was under the influence of alcohol and cocaine the night of the murder. The only issue was the fact that Corey still had the wherewithal to hide the firearm, attempt to discard evidence, and also stage the crime scene. So that's somebody that is well aware of their actions. We had a two-day bench trial. The judge wasn't convinced that there was some sort of

voluntary intoxication, and Corey ultimately got convicted. — Corey Van Curen is sentenced to life in prison for Audrey Giannotti's murder. — I was completely satisfied with that. He will never, never get out of jail. Never. I wanted him to suffer. She suffered.

You know the pain that she was probably going through? I wanted him to suffer every day. When he wakes up, know that he's in a five by five cell or whatever for what he did to somebody that didn't deserve it. When I found out that it wasn't my dad that killed my mom, I was relieved. I thought that meant I would get my dad back. When it didn't turn out that way, I was angry.

As we got older, he didn't really reach out. Corey took away my childhood. He took away my childhood. He took away my innocence. No three-year-old should have to go lay a stuff animal with their murdered mom. My wife, she was an elementary school teacher. And it turned out she was Julia's. I remember my wife standing there in a classroom,

and Julia, I hugged her, that's all I could do. To know that Julia made it, yeah. Frank and I planned to move to Arizona. We couldn't make that move, especially with, you know, the cold case. After that was done, deep down something was telling me, get them away from here. It's time.

Get yourself away from here. It's time. I don't think I could have processed everything with Armando if we hadn't moved out here. Well, I think you stood very well out here. I think about her a lot more out here. This is a time where it's like a teenage girl really needs her mom. And it's really hard not having her there,

but you got me a mama. I was a 2021 graduate, and I decorated my cap with pictures of my mom on it. And the quote, hey, look, ma, I made it. I carried her urn with me across the stage. I know she was there with me the whole time. And I know she was cheering me on loudest. Maybe.

Here's your mama. Oh, that's a good one. Isn't that pretty? That's a really good one. I always talked about her and my memories with her. I talked to Audrey every single day. Every day I let her know how her girls are doing. Every single day.

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