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Episode Date: March 10, 2025

Introducing Some Bad Sh*t Went Down in Colorado! from Slaycation: True Crimes, Murders, and Twisted Vacations.Follow the show: Slaycation: True Crimes, Murders, and Twisted Vacations Oh boy... you're in for a rough ride with this one. We'd put a 'Trigger Warning' on it -- but which of our episodes aren't triggering?!? When 13 year old Dylan Redwine was put on a plane to visit his father, Mark Redwine, on the other side of Colorado, he really didn't want to go. Unfortunately, he and his Mother had no choice as it was a court-mandated, parental visit. What transpires next will leave you shocked, appalled, and questioning, ever letting your kids out of your sight again. This one takes some dark and unexpected turns as sh*t gets real -- so don't say we didn't warn you! Stay safe out there!SUBSCRIBE to SLAYCATION PLUS(+) For AD FREE listening & "MORE KIM!' Bonus Segments! Subscribe right in Apple Podcasts, or go to: https://plus.slaycation.wtf/supporters/pricingJoin our ridiculously fun & active Facebook Group - 'SLAYCATERS ONLY' for direct access to the Hosts plus behind the scenes info, photos and more: https://www.facebook.com/groups/394778366758281GET YOUR SLAYCATION MERCH!"Pack Your Body Bags" tote bags, t-shirts, towels, sandals, fanny packs, stickers and more!Go to: https://plus.slaycation.wtf/collections/allFor more INFO on Slaycation, the Hosts, or to EMAIL us go to: www.slaycation.wtfLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices DISCLAIMER: Please note, this is an independent podcast episode not affiliated with, endorsed by, or produced in conjunction with the host podcast feed or any of its media entities. The views and opinions expressed in this episode are solely those of the creators and guests. For any concerns, please reach out to [e-mail].

Hey there, Slay-Caters. You love diving into true crime on vacation gone wrong, but what about keeping your brain sharp while you do it? I'm Jerry Kolber, aka The Tolerable One, and besides co-hosting Slaycation, Adam and I have co-created shows like Brain Child, Brain Games, and Who's Smarted, all about getting smarter and better at navigating the world. And today, I've got something just for you, my newest podcast, The Daily Brain. It's a quick 10 minute podcast designed to help you think sharper, boost focus, and outsmart your own brain's blind spots with simple science-backed exercises. From memory tricks to problem-solving hacks, The Daily Brain is the perfect companion for

your next trip or your next true crime deep dive. So after slaycation, treat your brain to something killer and very tolerable. Listen to The Daily Brain wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, park enthusiasts. Delia D'Ambra here. I usually spend my summers with you in the parks, but now I've decided to stay in the parks a little longer.

That's right, my podcast Park Predators is now a weekly show. Every Tuesday, I'll be taking you into the scenic wilderness to reveal the dark secrets hidden in some of the most beautiful places. We uncover stories from cases that overtook headlines to mysteries still waiting for answers. New episodes drop every Tuesday. Listen to Park Predators now, wherever you get your podcasts As with most marriages, it was good until it wasn't as they navigated the ups and downs of family life Mark work what you say most marriages are good until it's not yes. That's true I mean, let's face it most marriages are are good until they're not. Cry for help.

I know. Cry for help. I just want to see what phase we're in. No, our marriage is just good and solid, but... So it's not. Like, we haven't been together long enough to, you know... You've been together 107 years. I know.

Do you want to drink your shot? Oh yeah. What is going... Did you bring a shot, a salad and a bag of popcorn? I did. This is popcorn we got at the movie and I gotta say it's delicious. Wait, you brought the movie popcorn home? I respect that.

I respect that. You spent $150 on that popcorn. You're going to eat every kernel that's $1.50. You're going to eat every goddamn piece of it. Wait, is it still good? I think it's delicious. Should we take a break? Oh, I was going to get through gonna get to that. Okay, cool

Sorry, Jim trapped. So Pack your body bags, we're going on a slaycation. These are murders, mysterious deaths, and disappearances. That's correct. That happen while you're on vacation. I am your co-host, Adam Tex Davis, and I am joined as always by the twosome to complete the throuple. We've got my wife Kim. Hey.

And we've got our buddy and my business partner Jerry. Hello. How you doing guys? I'm good. Good. Hey, how are you doing honey? I'm good. Just have that like second episode of the day energy.

What is that, like low or high? It's like a little low. Oh, I'm high energy baby. What are you talking about? I'm saving that shit for the good shit. I'm not gonna be high energy during your windup. Oh, okay. You got that, you got that.

That's your special spot. This is your special spot. All right. Your time to shine, baby. Sounds good. All right, before we start, a couple of fun reviews I wanted to read. Okay, do it.

Okay, first there was an email from somebody named Salty P. Oh, yeah, named salty P. Oh, yes, salty P. It's the P. It's not P. It's just salty. And then the letter P says, I love the podcast. I am a new listener. Love your podcast. I am a true crime fan have listened to many podcasts. I enjoy the banter between the three of you and your senses of humor. Your friendship truly shines through as you bring empathy and respect with a touch of levity to these difficult cases.

Can't wait to listen to more episodes. We can't wait to make more episodes. Thank you. Thank you. Salty pee. Thanks, Salty pee. Thank you. We had somebody, uh, Monica, Valise Slovin or Valess, uhSloven says,

Hi, I have been binge listening to your podcast. I always start from the oldest episodes, but if you let me into your Slay-Caters-Only group, which is still pending, then I will listen to the latest episodes so I can be part of the fun while going back and listening to the ones I haven't yet. I'm on episode 40 so far, I'm almost there.

On a fun note, I thought Kim was going to look like Judge Judy. That's hilarious. You know, I got to say, I have all these different looks. Yeah, you really do. And I guess Judge Judy aligns with like

people thinking you're like a white lady from Long Island. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Say if you pee on my leg and don't tell me it's raining. Says I loved your show, but Adam is my favorite.

Yay. It also says, Adam and Jerry, you pretty much looked exactly how I thought you would look. And it says, I do not like to travel. The last time I was on an airplane was over 14 years ago to go to Mexico for my honeymoon. And after listening to your podcast, I'll never go on vacation again You're welcome

I Even said like yeah, Kim and I are not the biggest vacationers I mean vacation, but there's a there's a lot of no-goes and no cruises And yeah, a lot of we've got a lot of rules that we just kind of. I'm with you on the no cruise, but we're at Brian and I, we do like to go. You guys love cruising. I think by Mike broke. Uh, okay. And then, uh, the last two, uh, I just want to say Doris Denmark says too much talking.

Oh, they're very quiet in Denmark. Shut up. Doris Denmark says too much talking. Oh, they're very quiet in Denmark. Shut up. Doris Denmark says too much talking. I... That's the review? That was the review. That was a Spotify comment. Too much talking.

Well, I guess that's weird because when you listen to a podcast, you're not expecting a lot of talking. I guess not. Yeah. Maybe in Denmark, the podcasts are all just like, shhhhhh. Yeah. Quiet. I was like, I wrote, maybe podcasts are not for you.

And then Tanya Schwarz says, I cannot stand the random yakking at the beginning. Just start the story. I love the premise of the podcast. However, their voices aren't soothing and lacking cadence Mr. Ballen and Dateline podcasters voices are so much easier to listen to true crime and vacations together It's a perfect combo, but the narration isn't great. I Love when people review us as if it's like a quarterly report at a job Right like like you're paying us.

Like, you're like demanding, do this, do that, just do this. I don't like this. And it's like, hey, guess what? It's free. So are you. Change the fucking channel. Or if you don't like all the yakkin at the beginning, hit the little fast forward.

But most- Oh, you can do that. Yeah, it's a thing. Oh, who knew. But guess what? We know most of the people that love our show like all the yakkin. That is true. So shut the fuck up. Exactly. Take a seat. All right, Tanya. The verdict is in. Yes, say it with me now. Take a seat. I just gave Tanya one star. Yeah. Geez. Anyway, sorry our voices aren't soothing.

These are the voices God gave us. What can I say? You don't like my voice, Tanya? It's not soothing enough for you. I don't know what that voice is. But also, here's the funny thing. You know what? Forget all that. Here's...

Let's have a minute. We don't care. Can we just say, I think we have very... Like, I gotta tell you, when I listen to the show, Kim, I find your voice so soothing. Like, if I'm having a jangly day and I put on the show to listen, I'm like, ah, it's nice. I like the way Adam and I sound, but your voice, I find very soothing.

Thank you, I appreciate that. Here's my thought. It's a show about murder and people dying. Like, it's just soothing. Good point. But the voices aren't soothing enough for me to enjoy the murder and the dying and the disappearing. And the death.

The fuck is wrong with you? Seriously, Tanya, what the fuck is wrong with you? I just demoted it. I give Tanya zero stars. What an insane thought. That's a good point. I've never reduced Tanya to zero stars. We. I give Tanya zero stars. What an insane thought. That's a good point. I've never reduced Tanya to zero. We love you, Tanya. We love you. Thank you for taking the time. No, we don't.

Thank you for taking the time. No, I love her. I love all people. I do. Anyway. I can love you and also give you zero stars. Well, I get Mr. Ballin. Yeah, alright. Well, with all the yakking behind us, let's move on to Kim, where will we be slaycating today? I'm glad you asked. Today, we will be slaycating in Valacito in the city of

Durango, Colorado, a serene destination nestled in the San Juan National Forest. Valacito is a hidden gem surrounded by Durango's breathtaking natural beauty. Known for the tranquil lake by the same name, Balacito Lake and the Balacito Creek Trail, this area offers a more secluded and serene experience. I like the word serene. So imagine rugged cliffs, dense forests, and shimmering waters all coming together to create a postcard perfect setting. It's an unincorporated community, just a short drive from downtown Durango,

making it, you guessed, a serene escape from the bustling historic town. Right. I love it, there's a lot of serene. Yes. It's nice. And by the way, I'm finding your voice very soothing. Thank you, I do appreciate that. This is also the voice she uses

before she's about to stab me. No, that is not true. There is no, I love you. I do not stab you, I love you. Okay? So Durango itself is a hub for outdoor enthusiasts, offering endless opportunities for hiking, skiing, and fishing. Whether it's navigating the challenging trails of Purgatory Resort or casting a line in the Animas River's renowned fly fishing spot. It's famous for its narrow gauge railroad, massive mountain vistas,

and its allure as the Hollywood of the Rockies, with over 30 films shot in the area. Oh. Valacito, with its proximity to San Juan Mountains and the Animas River, shares in this rugged mystique offering adventure at every turn. Fun fact, several well-known movies were made in Durango, including Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, City Slickers, and National Lampoon's Vacation, to name a few. Sure. So Mark and Elaine Redwine, their story begins

when they married in 1989. For the next several years, they built a life together, raising a family. Their son, Corey, was born in 1992, and the Red Wines would complete their family in 1999 with the birth of their son, Dylan. As with some marriages, it was good until it wasn't. The couple navigated the ups and downs of family life. Mark worked as a long haul trucker, a job that required him to spend days or even weeks on the road, transporting goods across long distances.

This career demanded long hours behind the wheel, strict schedules and frequent overnight stays from home. Now, while the work provided financial stability, it also would come at a personal cost. Mark's frequent absences during critical moments in the lives of his wife and children would ultimately create an emotional distance, leaving his wife, Elaine, to shoulder the responsibility of managing the household and raising the boys. That's tough. Yeah.

And he's just trying to provide for the family. Yeah, I know. It's a tough job. No, it is, it is. And I'm sure it would create, this would create in a marriage a dynamic that could only serve to further isolate Mark from his family. Sure.

So, Mark and Elaine, their 18-year marriage would, of course, unravel, leading to the couple's separation in 2005. The split was far from amicable with years of tension culminating in a bitter custody battle with Mark and Elaine. Wait, they were having a custody battle over the kids? Over the kids. But he's a long haul trucker. Yes, yes he is. But why should that stop him from wanting to have the kids?

I mean, he was a long haul trucker, but he did want to be a dad. No, I understand that, but I'm saying if you're, like if your marriage dissolves because you're on the road all the time... Well, I think, I don't think that that's necessarily the reason. I think that that contributed. Okay, but I'm just saying, like, was he gonna take the kids with him?

I don't know. He wasn't willing... Look, the whole divorce, leading up to divorce, there was all kinds of the crazy texts and accusations and all kinds of crazy texts and accusations and all kinds of stuff. So there was just a bitter fight going on. And he wasn't about to come in and say, well, I'm a trucker, so you take the kids.

That's not what he was gonna do. He was like, I'm gonna fight this, I want custody of the kids. I think in his mind, he probably figured he would figure it out if he got custody. But he wasn't just going to like cave in because of the situation. Okay.

Right. And, and custody too, I'm sure it can look like joint custody. Or like, like she has the most of the time and you get them on certain weekends or stuff like that. So there's ways to work it out that would work with his schedule. Right. Right. But what was clear was that he wanted the court to dictate those parameters.

Because if he doesn't get custody. He's got to pay all this money. Well, no, it's not even paying money. It's that he can't see his kids. Can't? Well, it would be up to her. Right. And theirs was not a relationship.

Like it was contentious. So it wasn't as if they could depend on their open communication to say. Well, wait, really? I mean, if you get cussed, like if someone gets cussed and the other person gets cut out, I thought they get. They work out visitation. Yeah. Right.

But it's a different thing, right? Because the parent who has the visitation rights has less control and legal authority, essentially. Gotcha. I just figured, yeah, he'd be, you know, squeeze it in like here, I'm going to be home this time and blah, blah, blah. Anyway, whatever, enough yakking. So Elaine would meet a man by the name of Michael Hall in 2008, shortly after her split with Mark.

And the two quickly formed a strong connection. Mike would become a steady presence for both Dylan and Cory, and would step into the role as a father figure, especially with Mark's absences, would leave a void because he was on the road a lot. Right. So Elaine, and this is the thing too, she saw full custody of the kids. Right.

Citing Mark's long absences as a long haul truck driver. Hard to argue with that. Yeah, it is. And Mark, however, really fought to maintain shared custody, arguing that he wanted to remain an active part in the lives of his sons. But on September 21st, 2012, the court ultimately granted Elaine full custody of Dylan, who was 13 at the time. Okay.

Now- The other one was older. Yes. He's 20. Corey now is an adult. Yeah. Right. Right. And he at this time had already just given the circumstances of everything,

sort of distance himself from his father. Right. Oh, okay. That took a long time to work out. Yes, it did. That went on for a very long time. Man, the fucking system, man, is pretty fucked. Well, yeah.

I mean, look, and especially when you're fighting and going back and forth. So, complicating matters following the dissolution of the red wine marriage. Elaine was wanting a fresh start and to be closer to her family, Dylan, along with her partner, Mike, would move from Durango to Colorado Springs, which is over 300 miles away.

Okay. And Dylan would now have to acclimate to a new school, make new friends. But ultimately, he adjusted, and adjusted and it helped too that his brother at this point was an adult, but made the move to Colorado Springs as well so that he too could be close to his family. Gotcha. So, okay. So they're all together in Colorado Springs making a new start.

Right. Right. Dad's still in Durango. Gotcha. All right. Things, things seem fairly normal at the moment, but I'm sure shit's going to get real and we'll find out. Gotcha. All right. Things seem fairly normal at the moment, but I'm sure it's gonna get real. And we'll find out.

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And then the older child is also living in the same area as his mom and brother. And the dad is doing his thing as a truck driver. Now where does this story go? So Dylan, his court ordered visits with his father were a great source of considerable anxiety. By this time, 2012, his relationship with Mark had grown strained and he was openly reluctant to spend time with him.

Okay. According to his friends and family, he would plead with his mom to avoid these visits, expressing discomfort, even dread at the thought of staying with his dad. His dad is a serial killer in a truck? Honestly, I think there's a few things at play here. I think that first of all, 13 year olds, they want to hang out with their friends. They don't want to go 300 miles away to visit their dad to do what? I don't know.

And here's the thing. He's not a catch kind of dad. Right. I mean, he's a long trucker. He's probably sleep deprived. I mean, it didn't give, I like spending time with my dad. It didn't give that at all. Wasn't the movie over the top with Stavester Stallone? No, I mean, the kids literally texted friends of his saying, I'd rather stay with you guys

and hang out and play video games. I don't want to go away. Like his dad lives in this kind of remote area also. Okay. Yeah. So is that weird though? Or was it like anything like, like if it was a different kind of dad, he'd be more excited or no? Um, probably. Okay.

Yeah. Probably. All right. I mean, and also remember the dad, like he's primarily living with his mom. Right. There's been, it's been a very bitter fight between mom and dad. And I'm sorry, Jerry, to cut you off, but the other thing I was going to mention too, is that when they separated Dylan was, he was kind of little.

He was like, I think maybe six or seven. So he doesn't have much of a relationship. Right. To begin with. Right. It's sort of this. But dad wants it. Yes.

Yeah. Dad, dad is, you know, dad's made an effort to, to make space in his life and have Dylan come visit. That's kind of, I mean, respect that, right? Yeah, no, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, you know, look, there's always family dynamics that just make things hard. Okay.

It's, you know, in this, it's not like a right or wrong kind of thing. It's just, it's kind of, oh old proverbial, it is what it is situation. I will say one thing about this kind of dynamic is if you were to ask Dylan, what do you want? He would not say, I want to go visit my dad. Correct. So his, you know, if his father, I mean, it's a fucked up thing because as a dad,

you want your son to come visit you. But if his dad was respecting Dylan's wishes, Dylan wouldn't be going to visit his dad. He would stay in Colorado Springs and hang out with his friends. Right. And I think also too, if you think about the dynamic of the relationship that Mark had with Elaine,

the boy's mother, I think that too plays a part because I think it's hard for kids to witness acrimony in their parents' relationship. And I think as a child, you almost, not that you necessarily are told to, but you feel like you have to be on a side, if you will. And given that he's with his mother, I know, I mean, there was something that had come up that there was, it didn't give a lot of details, but it was something about a really bad fight that had happened between his parents that upset him. And it didn't really go into great details.

But again, it just kind of spoke to the familial dynamic and it made sense to me that, okay, yeah, of course he doesn't want to go. Gotcha. All right, enough yakking. What happens next? Okay. So the court had a mandated trip, a mandated visit, and Dylan was bummed. He didn't want to be on this trip.

It was for Thanksgiving of 2012. He was supposed to spend that time with his father. And his brother now was an adult. So his brother didn't fuck with his dad and he didn't have to because he's grown. So now Dylan now has to face these visits. And the mom brings him to the dad? She has to.

Right, right. I mean, in other words, she has to make sure that these visits and the mom brings them to the dad. She has to write. Right. I mean, in other words, she has to make sure that these visits are honored. Like he can't just hop in his truck and come over to them. No, no, no. In fact, in fact, she doesn't. She takes them to the airport. Correct. On November 18th, 2012, exactly.

And puts them on a plane. Okay. And then his dad picks them up on the other end. Right. This is not not, there's not's not a joint, these people, these are not ex-spouses that can be in the same room together. Exactly, exactly.

And the thing is too, one of the things that was coming up too was Dylan was especially distressed about missing what he feared would be his maternal grandmother's last Thanksgiving. Oh. She was dealing with cancer and it was understood that this could potentially be her last. Oh, geez.

But you know, despite his protests, Elaine had no choice but to comply with the court's orders. And given the hostility between her and Mark. Right. This was not even something that they could negotiate. That sucks. Yeah. All right.

So he's on the plane. Right. So on November 18th, 2012, Dylan ordered a flight from Colorado Springs to Durango to visit Mark for his court ordered visitation. He landed, it was about 546. Surveil its footage at the Durango airport, captures the two meeting. Okay. Though their interaction appears kind of distant and cold, which I would expect to be normal

for a 13-year-old boy who doesn't see his dad. So Dylan had, his mom had reached out to him to check in, make sure that he got there okay. And Dylan texted his mom confirming his arrival, but punctuated the message with a frowning emoji. So a subtle but telling indication of his reluctance. So that evening, Dylan had communicated with friends, because if you remember, he had lived there previously. Like that's where he was raised. So his mom had moved, he moved with his mom,

but now he's back. So why not take this opportunity to get away from dad and maybe make some plans with friends? Yeah. And he had asked his dad if he could get together with one of his friends for a sleepover. And his dad was like, no. So of course that did much in the way

of exacerbating Dylan's frustration. And just now he's just probably a real joy to be around. So after leaving the airport, Mark takes Dylan to a local Walmart and they are seen again on surveillance. Mark picked up a few things, including some DVDs. The interaction of the two still remains strained. And Dylan is now just consistently texting his mom,

he's texting his friends, and he's just kind of complaining. Right. After Walmart, they stopped at a McDonald's drive-through for dinner. And this, unfortunately, was not what Mark wanted. He wanted to go to a restaurant and have a proper sit-down dinner, but Dylan was like, no, let's just go to McDonald's. I'm sure he just wanted to get back to Mark's house, sequester himself in the room and be on his phone. That's what I am.

Right. He's a very social kid. He's on his phone, talking to his friends all the time, hanging out with friends all the time. I mean, kids also like McDonald's. That is true. That is true. Again, I give props to Mark for not wanting that to be dinner. Right. Correct. Exactly. He didn't. So once they arrived at Mark's home, Dylan firmed up his plans to meet his friends the first thing in the morning. He took that time now

to reach out to other friends. Being back in his old hood gave him the time to catch up with them. And that at least was a silver lining of returning to Durango, having that chance to do that. His friends come over or something? He wasn't going to have them come over. He was going to go there. And I think a lot of that had to do with his sort of need to want to get away. Right. And Mark was going to allow that? Yeah. I mean, Mark had some errands to run the following morning, so it would have been nothing for him to drop off Dylan at his friends. Finish your unhappy meal and then we'll just see you for a minute. Yeah. Okay. Exactly. Well, it's actually the next. So dinner was the night before. And the meeting the friends is the next morning. Oh, the next day. I'm sorry. Right. Oh, I thought

it was that night. Okay. Well, he wanted to have a sleepover, but, but then he's, his friends decided, you know what, first thing in the morning, he, you know, he was like, no, first thing in the morning, like six in the morning, like that's, he was right. My kids don't even get up that early. That's he's like, I'm setting a fucking alarm. That's correct. Fuck out of here. Okay.

That is correct. He's like, I'm setting a fucking alarm. That's correct. Get the fuck out of here. Okay. That is correct. So the following morning, now we're in November 19th, 2012, and Mark began the day by attempting to wake Dylan. And not surprising, like most teens, he reportedly opted to just sleep in.

Okay. So Mark left the house to run his errands. First stopping off at the payroll office at his job. He followed up with a visit to his divorce attorney. I think it was to pay alimony or child support, one of those things. And when he got home later, he noted that Dylan wasn't there. When he got home later, he noted that Dylan wasn't there. He said that there was a bowl of cereal and that the TV was on Nickelodeon. He also noted that the fishing rod was missing in the garage.

So he figured maybe he just went fishing with his friends. Right. Went to the lake or whatever to go fishing. He knew he had plans with a friend. Right. Well, right. Because you said he was going to get up early in the morning and meet his friends. But then the kid was sleeping in.

Exactly. Okay. Yes. All right. So Mark got back and he just took it all in. And he said, all right, so Mark took a nap. He had been up early, he was running around with his errands.

So he had gotten home and decided that he was just going to take a nap for a couple hours to figure out the rest of the day. He doesn't text Dylan and say, hey, where are you? No. Okay. No. Interesting. So Mark wakes up.

Now it's around 2.30, wakes up and he realized that Dylan still hasn't returned. 2.30 in the morning? No, no, 2.30 in the afternoon. And he figured, you know what, let me just stop off at a couple of his friend's house and see if I can't find him. I'm guessing, you know, that maybe he called him, couldn't reach him, whatever. But at this point now, he's just going to hop in the car and, you know, see if he can't find him.

He stops off at his friend Tristan's house and his friend Tristan didn't see him. And then he went over to Dylan's buddy's house, Nato, who was there with the boy, Ryan, who he was asking to have the sleep over and who he was supposedly going to meet earlier that morning. Okay. All right.

And neither of them. But none of them have seen Dylan. And seen him at all. No. Okay. And not only that, their texts and calls to Dylan at this point went unanswered. Okay. Which is very-

For somebody that's on their phone. Yeah. Yeah, he's on his phone all the time. This is very out of, uncharacteristic that his texts are going unanswered. Okay. Now, Mark is starting to realize like, oh shit, I don't know where he is. Right.

So he reaches out to his ex-wife and asks, have you been in touch? Have you? Right. But she hadn't heard. He had expressed his concern that he couldn't find Dylan and that he didn't know where he was. But it's still the afternoon.

Mm-hmm. Well, now it's early. It's starting... It's like late afternoon now. It's late enough that the fact that nobody's heard from him and no one can reach him... Right. The friends that he was supposed to be with... Right. And he's not replying to any texts.

Right. And Elaine, of course, is just furious, frantic. Right. She's all those emotions. And also suspicious. Yes. Because she texts to Mark, her texts to Mark at that point was, Dylan wouldn't just leave, he would have called me,

I'm so suspect of you right now. So immediately now there's just like, they're not gonna even be working on the same team. Like she's just right away like you fucked up somehow. Right, right, right. Which is understandable because she's already in a place where she can't fucking stand this guy. But also this account that you're giving,

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Made worse by the fact that the parents, divorced parents hate each other. Kid is with his dad, said he was going to get up early and meet friends. Father left, thinking the kid's going to be with his friends instead. None of the friends have seen him. Nobody's even heard from the kid. Father has to reach out, make that dreadful call to his ex. And then of course she is apoplectic hearing this and is already suspicious that the dad is up to some shenanigans. All right.

But you said there was a fishing rod was missing. Right. Yes. So there's always the possibility he went fishing in some remote area. Always the possibility. Well, and also. Always the possibility. Yes.

And dad lives in Cerrito, this part of Durango. That is quite remote. He almost basically lives like a remote cottage and he is surrounded by woods. Um, there are fishing places around there. There's trails, there's animals around. Like it's, it is a place where you could grab your fishing rod and go fish. Right.

And it'd be a reasonable thing to do. Right. But you expect him to do it with a friend or two. And to be responding to his texts. Yeah. If he's getting it. Yeah. Like if you're in a remote area, maybe the cell service isn't great.

Okay. But the point is now it's starting to get late. Right. And so at this time, Mark reportedly reaches out to the Marshall's office and Elaine immediately contacts the La Plata County Sheriff's Office to formally report Dilling as missing. Okay. And so she, her partner, Mike Hall, and his brother wasted no time. They got their asses to Durango. And I should mention that there is an age difference of maybe seven, eight years between

Corey and Dylan, but they were thick as thieves. They were extremely close. That was very were extremely close. Right. Like that was very heartwarming, like their relationship. So he was all in and they made the journey from Colorado Springs to Durango as fast as they could. They wanted to immediately start this search. Right. So as night fell on November 19th, the La Plata County Sheriff's Office launched a search

for Dylan in the area surrounding Mark's home. And search and rescue teams combed the rugged terrain using tracking dogs, ATVs, and even a helicopter equipped with thermal imaging. But despite their efforts, no trace of Dylan was found that night. Okay. Elaine and her partner and her other son, they got there and they immediately joined the search. Right.

And Mark was kind of wondering if Dylan ran away, if somehow he was just like, fuck this. Right, so disgruntled. Right, exactly. Okay. But she was like, no, that is not what happened. Do not, she was very emphatic to the authorities. Do not look at this as a runaway.

Something happened. Okay. Okay. So are there any signs at the house that maybe somebody broke in or did anything like that? There's nothing to indicate that there was a break-in. Okay. So in the days that followed, the search would intensify

and volunteers from the community now would join law enforcement in scouring the area. And investigators would interview neighbors, friends, and anyone that could have seen or spoken to Dylan. Now, Mark's behavior during this time would raise some eyebrows. It was considered weird that he did not actively participate in the search for his son. And given that he was very familiar with the area, it would make sense that he would be out there saying, let's look here, let's look there. If you was going to take your fishing rod and go fishing, you know, whatever the case may be.

Wait, he didn't help? No. What did he do? He just hung back and let everybody else just… Maybe he didn't help. No, what did he do? he just Hung back and let everybody else just He stayed home. Well, yes, it under the guys like I'll stay here in case he comes back Yes, but This of course was not a good look

his wife his ex-wife I should say and His other son thought this was some bullshit and were suspicious of him. Yeah, I'm suspicious now of him. They were like, why are you not helping? Right. Well, also, and it was beyond just not helping, he had this, I mean, I can show you some video of him

from the time. He has this kind of nonchalance, I guess, is the best way to put it. Completely. It just doesn't. There's no, let me, let me show you. Oh, and we can throw this on the slate caters only. Okay. But he's just very chill, chill about.

And you're like, dude, your, your kid is missing. But also like if your kid is missing in your overly chill, if you didn't do it, you're putting a lot of suspicion on you. And if you did do it, you're putting a lot of suspicion on you. And if you did do it, you're putting a lot of suspicion on you. Yeah, there's no winning. Right. I mean, there was a search coordinator who was sort of heading up the search and he would note that he found Mark's behavior a little strange.

And one of the things that he would say was that he not only did not participate in the search efforts, he seemed very detached from it. Like just like all of this activity was going on around him and he just seemed kind of removed. And he was sort of- Could this be a personality trait? Could this be he's a weird guy? It could very well be. Not everybody acts the same way.

It could very well be. I mean, one of the things that he kind of noted that he thought was a little strange was he turned off the lights and went to bed while search teams were continuing the search well into the night. Huh. What does that they say? The innocent guy stays up all night in jail.

And what we, what we do know is Mark likes to sleep. So we, we do know that. Well, he doesn't get to sleep in a bed that often. He's in the truck. Yeah. Here's a little video of him from this is from the week. This is from the week of the search. All right.

I don't want the focus to be mainly on me. I want the focus to remain on Dylan because that's the most important thing right now. The process of what's going on with the authorities and the people handling this is to search my home. All they had to do was ask. I would have willingly let them come in and do it. You know, I've given them, I've cooperated with them in every way.

Anything that they've asked me for, I've been willing to do. Anything that they've suggested that I do, whether it be sitting at the house, waiting for the phones to ring, or Dylan to walk through the front door, I'm willing to do whatever I need to do. And that's what I want everybody to understand is that my focus is on Dylan

and what's going on with him and trying to keep the investigation moving forward in whatever necessary means that that is. And so in cooperating with him and we can keep the focus on the search for Dylan and that's really where I'm at with all of this. Sounds like he's defending something, like he's been accused and he's being defensive. Well, because people have, I mean, right away, the wife just out of just knee jerk reaction was like, I'm suspect that you fucked something up.

Right. But then with his attitude of nonchalance, and as Kim said, like, he doesn't really participate in the search, then the son, the older brother and his ex-wife are like- They're looking at him sideways. They're pointing fingers at him. Like, what the fuck did- you're not-

You fucked this up. Right. You're not acting concerned or like you give a shit. There's no sense of urgency. Right. Nothing. So there's nonchalant because he doesn't care or there's like, I mean, do they think he did something at this point or they just.

They're not sure if he did something or not. Right. They just think he knows something like that. He, they're like, you, you're, there's something you're not telling us because the way you're acting isn't, you're not acting like someone who's urgently concerned to find their kid. Right. Which is, you know, I mean, look, we've done cases where people have committed the murder and then act overly like our very first case was like, let me explain how let me help you

with every detail. Like, you know, when sometimes if you're too overly helpful and overly wanting to be part of it, you throw suspicion on yourself. This guy's doing the exact opposite. Your 13 year old kid is staying with you during custody and says, I'm going to go meet a friend and that does disappears. And now there's a search party. If you're not out there searching while they're searching, you're, you're looking real suspicious.

And if you turn out the lights to go to bed while search parties continue, that can be what the kids say today to use the urban vernacular of kids today, sus. I'm just saying also though, like this guy could also be like of that old school mentality of like, look, he ran away, he'll come back when he's ready.

I don't know, the kid and I were not getting along. He was threatening to leave the whole time. Now, granted, the dad did have errands that day, and it's definitely confirmed he did those things. Yes, that was corroborated. Okay, all right. That was corroborated by investigators. All right, so then what happens?

So on November 21st, 2013, Elaine was informed that all the registered sex offenders in the area have been accounted for and were cleared in this investigation. On the 28th, investigators ruled out the possibility that Dylan was a runaway. So they were now in agreement that he was not a runaway and they issued a press release indicating as much. How do you determine? Don't ask because we don't know. Right. No. I saw this and I you determine? Don't ask, because we don't know.

Right. No. I saw this and I was like, how do we determine? We don't know. Right, but they, right. They determine. And look, I'm sure that Elaine was a huge part of that because she was always emphatic.

No, he would not run away. He would not do that. That is, and he would not do it. Do people argue with kids where you're like, eh, that guy's a runaway? Yes. Well, maybe, yeah. I mean, usually it's after they've run away once.

Well, or you say the kid has a terrible relationship with both parents or are fighting all the time. He was very close to his older brother and very close to his mom. So her point was, if he was gonna run away, he would have contacted at least Cory. Yeah, exactly. And said, I gotta get the fuck outta here.

And by the way, there's some other theories here, right? Because Mark lives in this remote area and the fishing pole is missing. So they're, they're exploring everything. So there's a theory that Cadillan have. Encountered wildlife. Because there is wildlife there. So wildlife could, some kind of wildlife could have killed him. Right.

Right. Um, there's a theory of, could he have been abducted by someone? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Like could he run into someone who abducted him? Exactly. And that's, that's, you know, of course they were, that's why they were looking at registered sex offenders and stuff like that.

And they. What about the unregistered sex offender? And that too, they had to explore all the, you know, they had to see, they had to, but what they did do was they began to treat this case as a possible abduction and definitely the possibility of foul play. Okay. But were they Mark foul play or other foul play? Just foul play.

I mean, yes, they were looking at Mark. Now Mark had suggested that searchers center their focus on the area, Lake Valacito. Mark's certainly helpful. Yeah. He was like, check that lake out, you know, and it was about seven miles from his home. And he again, sort of reiterated the fact that his fishing pole was missing. And this suggestion would lead to a thorough search of the lake and its surrounding area, but there was nothing uncovered.

Okay. So, by the way, just to note at this point, we're, you know, we, we can have into this and this is a search and rescue effort. Nobody is, nobody's thinking anything like the kid is hopefully gone lost or missed. Like they're believing that they're gonna find him alive. Right?

I was believing that until you just said that. No, that's how they're approaching it. I get it. Right, because that's what you wanna look. Of course. So you're looking, that's what you're doing. But at some point during that week, they make a decision. They need to maybe think otherwise. Right. Right. I mean, the search for Dylan would continue for months. Okay. And it would be plagued by harsh weather, challenging terrain. And as time went on, suspicion would mount.

And the investigators, they started to look at Dylan's loved ones and began to really start to examine what happened during his visit with his father. Okay. I figured you'd start there, but. Well, you know, I think at first you're sort of taking in everybody. Right. And, and you're like, okay, he's here. Let's look, let's look around.

But then, but then Corey would share a disturbing revelation with investigators. Cory is the older brother. In the summer of 2011, the boys joined their father on a road trip and landed in Cleveland, Ohio. Oh. After checking in, settled for the night at a hotel, Mark calls it a night, goes to bed, and Dylan needing access to a computer,

borrowed his dad's laptop. And I think he had stepped out, had a phone call with a girlfriend and came back. And it seemed that Dylan had uncovered some graphic and highly disturbing photos, I can't even say it, of his father on that computer. Uh-huh. So according to Cory, the boys... Joey is cowering in the corner right now.

What's about to come out of Kim's mouth is some of the craziest shit you've ever heard on the show. Oh boy. So according to Corey, they hustled themselves into the bath, they sequestered themselves in the bathrooms. They didn't want to wake Mark up. And just likely at a complete and total loss for words, Corey processing the images he is seeing.

He just takes out his phone and captures photos of the images on the computer. And those images are? So the photos depict Mark wearing what appears to be a woman's wig, lingerie, and wearing a diaper. Okay. So in one photo photo he is holding a camera up at an angle, like you would imagine, like doing a selfie. Sure. Sort of this I'm sexy look.

We're going to diaper. OK, right. Yeah. OK. And the next photo is a close up featuring his diapered bottom, which appears to be filled with feces. You know the way that a baby like blows out like if you've changed the diaper of a baby that's... That's what diapers are for. Right. So that's what he was... So that's a photograph that he... Right.

But wait, there's more. And then the other photo shows Mark holding the diaper to his face and appearing to consume the diapers content. Oh, look, I did a documentary on GGL. I knew you're going to go straight to the GGL. Yes, yes. I gave it three seconds before the words Gigi Allen come out of Adam's mouth. For a year, we were living together when Adam made that film and for a year I lived in fear that I was going to come home and Gigi Allen would be throwing shit on the walls of our

apartment and eating it. It wasn't beyond the scope of reality. Look, here's the thing. Okay. But here's the thing. Okay. Okay. So, but here's the thing, you know, and I tried to describe this as- Was John Waters anywhere to be found? Here's the-

It's like Pink Flamingos. Wait, wait, wait. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But real. Right. But it's real. It's real.

You can't make this shit up. No. It's just divine. Ba-dum-bum. Ba-dum-bum. Trying to describe it as delicately as possible. In any event, when he and his brother found it out, his brother was like, let's just not say anything. They just swore each other to secrecy.

Right. Okay. And I think too that this was a traumatic event for the boys. I think that they were so deeply traumatized by this that I almost wish he had said something to his mother. Right. At the end of the day, I think Corey believed that this incident was likely at the heart of what happened to his little brother. This discovery, I'm sure, became a source of deep discomfort and tension for Dylan because let's face it, there would never be a way for Dylan

to unsee what he saw and unlike his brother, he had to go on these mandated custody visits. I feel terrible that he couldn't feel like he could tell his mom. Well, so Cory actually had in August of 2012, a few months before Dylan went missing, Corey confronted Mark about the pictures yet by text and he sent him a couple of those photos and he said, uh, the text was, uh, you're a s****** eating coward and Mark's response on the text. Cause they went through all these texts and the investigation was, um, I'm shit eating coward. And Mark's response on the text, cause they went through all these texts in the investigation was,

I'm not a coward. He accused Corey of trying to hurt him. And he said, I'm warning you don't hurt Dylan. And it was like, I think he thought maybe Dylan didn't know about the photos and stuff like that. And so, you know, but Mark was now aware that at least Corey had seen the photos. Because Corey had the front of him. Okay.

I know you guys are going to laugh, but like, is that the worst of it? I'm not saying it's good. I'm saying there's nothing else. Like it's not like dead hookers or... No, no, no. But Elaine and Corey, they were open about the fact that they did believe that whatever happened to Dylan, it was at the hands of Mark. Right.

And, oh, I wonder if Dylan mentioned something and set Mark off. That's right. Okay. All right. That's where, that's where we're at. Okay. All right. There's a lot of, uh, a lot of strangeness, but we still don't know what happened to Dylan and we still don't know who is responsible or where he is.

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Maybe it was brought up. Maybe dad was confronted with it. We know he was confronted by the, by the older child. Uh, we don't know what transpired with the younger child who's now missing for how long it's been? It's months. Months. Okay.

And the case has gone from a search and rescue to more of a potentially recovery. Right. Okay. Right. And, but nobody knows anything. I mean, but the suspicion is now being focused a little bit more on the father, Mark. Yes. Okay.

Right. And one of the things besides Cory, the older brother, saying maybe Dylan brought these photos up with that and he killed him or something or to try and make him, you know, not reveal this is that the cops at that point are like, okay, let's bring in some cadaver dogs, right? So we're going to switch this from search and rescue to something else. And the dogs do show some interest, not a positive, like definitely, but like they start to show some interest near the cottage, um, around the living room and in the backyard.

Doug showed interest. Did they dig it up? No, because they didn't have a warrant at that point. They were just coming in because Mark, you know, they were, Mark's like, yeah, yeah, go ahead. Okay. They do go and get a warrant later in December of 2012. So it's been about four or five weeks at this point.

Okay. Now small amounts of Dylan's blood was reportedly found behind the couch and the floor near the fireplace, but it wasn't enough per se to suggest a struggle. wasn't enough per se to suggest a struggle. And Mark would, he would have this explanation where, oh, he had a cold sore that bled. Oh, we was rough housing. So, you know, there was a lot of that. Who's the one that determines

how much blood is interesting or not? Right. Well, that's the thing. Okay. Anyway. So in June, 2013 on middle mountain, searchers would discover partial skeletal remains, including a size seven Air Jordan shoe, and other personal items. And DNA testing confirmed these remains belonged to Dylan.

Oh. Two years later, in November 2015, hikers would find Dylan's skull, about five miles from where his other remains were recovered. The skull showed evidence of blunt force trauma, which the coroner would conclude was not caused by animal activity. I was about to ask. Which was Mark was saying, oh, he must have wandered and been attacked by an animal.

But they were like, that is not, not the case. And it's the way the remains were, were, were found also was inconsistent with an animal attack. Okay. And there was a polygraph test that they found the remains. Yes. I believe it was after they found the remains. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I do know that there was a polygraph. I know that Elaine passed and he didn't. At this point, the police have enough to be quite suspicious. Yes. Right? Because they have the body, the blunt force trauma. They know they found the blood in the house. He fell the polygraph. In July 2017, after years of investigation And in July 2017, after years of investigation

and the urging of former deputy district attorney, Christian Champagne, a grand jury indicted Mark Redwine for second degree murder and child abuse. Champagne-indicating Redwine. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I didn't even think of that, but yeah. child abuse and champagne and dating red wine. You know, I didn't even think of that, but yeah, I didn't think of that either. Right. Damn it. That's I know.

Right. That's champagne and dating red wine. Yes. Fuck. That's your headline. That's really good. Yeah. Yeah.

Man, by the way, one of the, one of the things that led to Jesus, one of the things also was that they did seize his electronics. The prosecution took his Mark's computers because Corey had said there was these photos and maybe Dylan. And so they got his computer and they saw the poop photos and his searches and they're like, okay, this seems like a plausible theory that he was gonna reveal this to the mom and threatened. And that dad, you know, killed him in the cottage, drove him in the truck to the woods, put the body around.

And, you know, I mean, it seems like he may have decapitated him as well since the skull was in a separate space. So it's just a nightmare of a situation for the mother and the rest of the family. And obviously Dylan. Yeah. They're right. And Mark was arrested in Washington state and extradited to Colorado to face the charges.

And the trial would begin in June 2021. This took forever, you know, between COVID. At one point his attorney was arrested for domestic violence. So that- Mark's attorney? Yeah. So there was all that going on.

But finally the trial would begin June 2021, and the jury would find him guilty of second-degree murder and child abuse. And second-degree murder because, you know, they understood the possibility of it sort of being not a premeditated situation. Right. What is second? I mean, yeah, first not a premeditated situation. Right. What is second?

I mean, yeah, first degree is premeditated. The second degree is. It speaks more to the fact that it happened in sort of this key to the moment. Like they had this confrontation and as a result in that moment. Right. Okay. and as a result in that moment. Right. Okay. One of the things that was most incriminating for Mark was that all text messages, even

though Dylan had been texting relentlessly that he was unhappy and he wanted to get out of the house and making plans with friends, at 9.37 PM on the night of November 18th, 2012, all texts and all communication usage of phone stops. Dylan's. Dylan's right. And then Mark the next day, that's claims that he notices Dylan is missing. And he goes, as Kimmy said, driving around looking for him, but investigators

got a cell phone records and note that he makes no calls or texts to Dylan at all. Right. Yeah. cell phone records and note that he makes no calls or texts to Dylan at all. Right. And so that is incredibly incriminating because if you're a father looking for your kid, why would you call unless you, unless you know. That, but again, if you're trying to get away with it and you know, you killed somebody call and text, so there's records of it and you can say like, I've been trying to get them. Yeah. It was also uncovered that he never went

to the Marshal's office to- Oh, to report? Right. Oh. He just claimed she did. I didn't even see that. Oh, yeah. So who reported it?

The wife. Yeah, she reported it. Right. She reported it. And- This guy did like, it's so weird, right? Cause he's like, he did it. Right. She reported it. And this guy did like, it's so weird, right? Cause he's like, he, he did it. And then he literally did everything he could to throw suspicion on himself, but like just

tried to like talk his way out of it. But like literally like everything you should do wrong. He did. I mean, he's just a sociopath or something. Well, look, he, he, he did it. I mean that he was found guilty. I mean, this is a case, it's a horrible case because like all these cases, like someone died, but especially like this kid and like his own dad and you know, over

this, this thing that like, okay, so, so you kind of have that choice in the moment of like, people are going to find out I'm into this crazy fetish. Like my ex-wife is going to find this out and other people might find out. Or I'm going to try to murder one of my sons, even though the other one has the same photos and try and get away with what? Like, and it's just a crazy, like, what is, like, it's such a... I almost wonder if it was an accidental type thing. Like, the kid confronted his dad, the dad got mad,

and in a moment of rage or whatever, hit him with something, and the kid, yeah, and the kid died, or got badly hurt. Yeah, I mean, look, in that moment, And the kid, yeah. And the kid died or, or got badly hurt. That's yeah. You know? Yeah. I mean, look in that moment, I'm sure that Mark was just completely humiliated, humiliated, and just responded from that place of anger and humiliation and just lashed out. No.

You know? So after six hours of deliberation, the jury found Mark Redwine guilty of second degree murder and child abuse resulting in the death of Dylan Redwine. And he was sentenced to 48 years in prison. So he will be there for a long time. Yeah. But at least there's a resolution. Yeah.

Right. Uh, wow. Wild case. All right. Thank you for, for joining us. In case you didn't hear, there was a trigger warning. I don't know if you heard that going off. Yes.

Yes. We'll spare you the details of the pictures, but you can find them online, I guess. And Mark's computer. All right. Fuck. Okay. We'll catch you on the next one. Oh, subscribe to slaycation plus you get more Kim and you get ad free listening. You can do that. You can go to slaycation.wtf our website and also join our Facebook group Slay Katers Only and we'll catch you on the next one. Bye guys and thanks for joining us. Be safe out there.

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