Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend - Kesha

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

Singer-songwriter and pop icon Kesha feels c*nty about being Conan O’Brien’s friend. Kesha sits down with Conan to discuss the healing waters of Esalen, ghost hunting on her television series Conjuring Kesha, and finally being able to produce her independent album Period with the rights to her own voice. Later, Matt Gourley deals with the fallout of a major faux pas. For Conan videos, tour dates and more visit TeamCoco.com.Got a question for Conan? Call our voicemail: [phone]. Get access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using this show link: https://siriusxm.com/conan.

Hi, my name is Kesha. And I feel cunty about being Conan O'Brien's friend. That's exactly what Michelle Obama said. She did not! That was what Al Pacino said. Fall is here, really meaningful friendship. And we'll never, we are gonna be friends. Hey there, welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend, my eternal search for friendship, really meaningful friendship.

So far, how many of these shows have we done? 300 and something. And not one person has agreed to be my friend. This is a journey, it's like Hercules and his labors. I'm just out there trying, but I'll keep trying. I'm joined by my, I hope, friends, my pals. We're friends. And employees.

That's true. Yeah, Sonam Ussessian. You said 300, and I was gonna guess like 3000. No, 350, something like that, right? 350. I was way off, okay. And Matt Gorley, how are you? I'm good, how are you?

Haven't seen you guys in a while. We've spent a little time apart, and I did miss you guys. I say that with genuine feeling, which is rare for me. That's nice. And I'm curious how everyone's doing. Sona, what you've been up to? I fell down the stairs a couple of weeks ago. We're laughing already.

Well, you're here, so you weren't killed. No, I wasn't killed. But where, tell us what happened. It was at my new place and I was coming down the stairs and I slipped and so I like slid down the stairs on my butt. So it was like a, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, all the way down

and nobody was around. Like Tak was in the shower. And so it was one of those things where you just kind of are like, well, I just fell. Now I have to just get up and continue on with my day. Did you get, did it hurt? It hurts so bad. On the coccyx, the tailbone?

Yes, on my tailbone. And it still hurts. Like I'm having, like, I'm kind of like moving around a lot on the chair right now, cause it's like kind of uncomfortable for me. But then, Tak came out of the shower and he was like, what was that? It sounded like something really heavy fell.

Okay, Tak. Who threw a piano down the stairs? Who threw an Armenian piano down the stairs? Ah, come on. But it was just like, you know when you fall, it's like, it could be funny if someone else is around or if other people- You're chilling right now.

If other people like come and check on you, then it's like, oh, okay, she fell, it's weird, but she's okay. They make it kind of normal. Yes, but when you're by yourself and you're at the end of your fall and you're just kind of in a weird position and you're like, okay, I just have to get up

and just keep going. Right. That's life. I know, but- That's all of life. And it's ironic cause people falling is one of my favorite things. Oh my God, you have shown me over the years

as my assistant long before this podcast, you would say you've, I would hear explosive laughter. I'd be trying to get a show say, I would hear explosive laughter. I'd be trying to get a show together. I'd hear explosive laughter. I'd go out and you would be watching a bride come out at her happiest moment and then fall into a big bowl of dog shit.

And you would be crying. And then, and you know what it is? It's best, it's best when it happens when someone's preening. You know, there is a difference. If a person just falls, it's not as funny as someone who's dressed up for their big moment and grinning and saying, everybody look at me.

And then they trip, do you know what I mean? There was a video I bookmarked and would watch over and over again. It was these two men dressed as mascots, so in big costumes, and they were on ice and they were doing a commercial for, I think, cars or a car dealership. One of them has a car.

Okay. We're gonna have to throw to this. We're gonna find this and throw to it. One of the mascots could not... Wait, wait, hold on. Hold on. Real quick, listeners, go to the YouTube channel or Instagram. One of the mascots could not stay standing. And so I get it.

This is... I'm so glad I brought this up. His guts could not stay standing. And so I just. This is, this is. I'm so glad I brought this up. Oh my God. Oh my God. You gotta find him. Throw to the tape, go to the tape. He's like, you know, he's like walking around and then he just.

Goes down hard. Oh my, you've been defeated. Oh my God, you're in vapor lock. You've been defeated. I'm actually crying, I can't speak. Too bad. I think about it, I think like on a regular, I think about it more than I think about my kids sometimes. Just this video of this guy, this, he's like,

did you find, please tell me you found it, of these people on a mascot This is it. Yes. This is it. I've seen You know, it does that for me have you ever seen the drunky walk on the Today Show That humps their legs and does Michael Jackson dancing. Oh my god, it's incredible. It's incredible. It's like a Halloween display. Yes!

Oh my god. Is this it? Yeah, it's the boopers. For the wrong socks. Oh. You took the hot dog, too. You need to go home for this. I'm going to go home for this.

I'm going to go home for this. I'm going to go home for this. I'm going to go home for this. I'm going to go home for this. I'm going to go home for this. I'm going to go home for this. I'm going to go home for this. I'm going to go home for this. I'm going to go home for this. I'm going to go home for this. I'm going to go home for this. I'm going to go home for this. Don't make him keep doing it I'm going to be a I'm going to be a I'm going to be a

I'm going to be a I'm going to be a I'm going to be a I'm going to be a I'm going to be a I'm going to be a I'm going to be a I'm going to be a

I'm going to be a I'm going to be, I'm buying it. That's it. Oh. Oh. Why? Incredible. Why do they keep me?

Amazing. Look at her, look at her. She's a puddle. That lived up so, I wasn't thinking that was gonna live up to your reaction. No, no, no, look at her. That was pretty good. She's gonna die.

You're not getting enough air. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes I get really scared I'm not breathing enough when I laugh too much. All right, we gotta do this. But that video does it all every single time. We gotta do this. My guest today is a singer-songwriter whose first independently produced album,

Period, is out now. I'm very happy she's here today. She's an old friend from back in the day. ["Cat's Got a Cat"] Kesha, welcome. I know it's a podcast, it's an audio medium, but you look as always fantastic. We do have cameras rolling.

Anyone, you've got to go online, you've got to check out how Keshia's dressed. You look fantastic. Thank you. Which camera do I like? Stand and look, I mean we have all these cameras here. You look incredible as you always do. You're wearing Conan merchandise and this is- Oh my God. Oh my God.

Oh my Lord, and this is what you will look like if you buy Conan merchandise. Oh wow. Yeah. It's amazing. Kesha was a 77 year old man before she put that shirt on and became, I am so glad you're here. You look gorgeous. Thank you.

You look fantastic. You are all things Kesha. And I wanna start by reminiscing. Let's go. You came on my show in 2010, I believe, when you were blowing up with TikTok and you kept coming back on my show. I wouldn't leave.

You would not leave, but you were such a loyal person. You always came back to the show. You were always great. We had great interviews. We had great moments. You would perform. You were just a trooper and so nice to me. And I wanted to first thank you for that.

Oh, well thank you back. You were great. And then I wanted to reminisce about, we're not getting into specifics today about the various shit that you have gone through. We're gonna stay clear of all that for all legal reasons and blah, blah, blah. But I was walking along in Venice a bunch of years ago

when you were in the midst of some real dark times and we bump into each other and I gave you a hug. I hugged you because I just knew that you were going through this bad time. And we had this like nice moment of me asking you, how you doing? You talking to me. It was this nice human moment.

Of course you're Kesha, so there's paparazzi. I had never seen paparazzi before. They are not interested in Conan O'Brien. So I was like, hey, so that's paparazzi. They avoid you. Yeah, oh, oh, paparazzi. They do not. No, no.

They follow you. A photo of Conan O'Brien is worth less. Even in the digital era, you lose money on a photo of Conor Bryan. But they got this photo and so I thought, and it circulated and I thought, got a first call the wife about hugging Kesha on the street. To confess.

To confess that yes, Kesha and I have been seeing each other secretly. But on a personal level, I'm very happy for you that you have gone through a really bad experience and come out the other side seemingly stronger than ever. Thank you. And looking beautiful and making great music. And so I just wanted to start with that,

like this just big dose of positivity. I love it. And as my old friend, I'm proud of you for hanging in there. Oh my God, this means so much coming from you. You're iconic and the reason I kept showing up is not because you're iconic, but because you're such a good man. Like you're so kind and you can just tell in Hollywood,

there's everybody and then there's like the especially bad ones, but then there's like sprinkled with especially good ones. And I just could always tell from the very beginning, I was like, he is an especially, like you're a magical, like a light worker. Like you're just amazing. So that's why I do this. And that's why I show up with guitars

in your face on my outfit. Oh, listen to this. You look at you, look what you brought. You bring me this gorgeous Fender Strat, which is, I love a Fender Strat. Look at this, yes, we're now a game show. You're like a Price is Right model. And I've never seen that color with a black pickguard

and it is absolutely, how's the action on that baby? The action is satisfaction. Okay, all right. You shouldn't have asked him. I know, I regret. I take it all back. Yeah. That was so nice of right. You shouldn't have asked him. I know. I regret. I take it all back. That was so nice of you. You're just a lovely person.

But literally, it's because you're such an amazing person. Oh. We gotta take this on the road. I think I should be part of your live show. Let's go. I'm going on tour, baby. Let's go. I know. And it's called the Tits Out Tour. Yeah. You'll have to get your tits out, though. Listen, when I let these babies out,

you are gonna see audience attendance plunge when these two Irish cutlets come out. Bring them out, baby. When these... God! Looks like two... Two little dollops of spam. That is both too poetic and too on the nose or something.

Oh my God, Irish cutlets. They gotta come out. They've never seen sunlight and it is time. Let's go, come to MSG. I'm headlining Madison Square Garden for the first time in my entire career. How could that be the first time? I've played there many times.

It's the first time I'm headlining. So like having gone through the shit I've gone through, not fun, don't need to talk about it. But I will say, I am proud of me too. You should be. I am proud of me. And I'll say something. I wanna go back and take people,

this is not news to you, but your story, you've been working at this for a very long time. I like to highlight those parts of the story because there are a lot of people that can think, attractive woman hits it big, it can just happen. They don't understand the years and years of the songwriting you were doing since you were a kid. Oh, yeah.

Your mom, a songwriter, Totally, yeah. Wrote for Dolly Parton, wrote for a bunch of people. Johnny Cash, Merle Haggard. But you guys had hard times, food stamps, not a lot of money, struggle. From an early age, you were writing songs and working on becoming yourself. Yeah. Well, I got the assignment when I was little.

My mom was like, you're going to be a pop star. I was like, I am? She's like, when I was little like my mom was like you're gonna be a pop star And I was like I am just like yeah, and I was like all right, and so then I was gonna go to Columbia I didn't know that you went to Harvard. Yeah, that's Smartie a little genius. No, no lots of evil. Trust me lots of evil dumb people go there, too Every college encompasses all kinds of people. So yeah, there are war criminals there right now that are training to be war criminals. But that aside, and don't worry, I'll make a donation. You were working on, your mom told you

you're gonna be a pop star and you took the assignment seriously. Well, I'm also secretly, people don't know this about me because I have my butt hanging out and I brush my teeth with a bottle of Jack. These kind of things, so people think I'm like doopey, but actually I was really smart. You're doopey like a fox.

I'm doopey like a fox. I got like almost perfect SAT scores. My IQ, I forget what it was, but it was impressive. And I was gonna- Before all the Jack Daniels. Before all the Jack Daniels got to me. And I was gonna go to Columbia and study comparative religion and psychology.

And then instead I signed a record deal. So what was my point? Well, I think the point is, and it does not surprise me, you're saying, oh, it might surprise some people that you're smart. Yeah. There's all kinds of ways of being smart. And it does not surprise me at all

that you're really smart. And watching, first of all, the tenacity that you took to your career, I think for your first album, if I'm correct, you wrote like 200 songs. Oh, every album I write like 200 songs, I write many songs. This week, I've probably written like nine songs.

It's insane. Most of them are bad. And some of that's like how some of the hits come out is because I'm like, okay, yesterday I wrote a good song, today I'm gonna write one or two songs. So let me just write like the worst song. And then all of a sudden the worst one I can write ends up being the fan favorite.

Well, that does not surprise me. There's an old saying that every person who comes out with the great American novel, great, has 15 terrible novels in their desk. Yeah. And the problem is once they write the hit novel, then the publishers quickly want another one. So they go, oh, I got them.

And it's like, yeah, there's a reason those didn't go. Yeah, you have to write, I mean, Lennon and McCartney wrote hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of songs before they get to write the good stuff. And I think a lot of art is good editing. It's what you take out. Now this podcast, we don't seem to take much out.

It would be 10 seconds long. And we just can't make any money that way. This isn't art, so we know that. That's not true. Humor to me is the most impressive kind of art. I'm going to challenge you on that. I think in moments, I think in moments we hit these really nice high notes and then there's

a lot of map going blah, blah, blah. And Sona going blah, blah, blah. And then Sona going blah, blah, blah. Why do I sound like that? You have a beautiful high register. Oh. It's funny because you describe yourself as a kid, as a seeker, and that you tried out different churches. You were looking for something.

Well, so since I was little, okay, let me back this up. Okay. It's my last lifetime and I always knew that, but then I recently was at the naked hippie commune and the medicine woman was like, you know it's your last lifetime. I was like, I know, right? She's like, it definitely is.

So ever since, because I'm Pisces. And Pisces means you had other, you're saying you've had other lifetimes. How many do you think you've had? Oh, too many. Okay, and this is the last one. This is it, baby. This is the finale.

That's why I got it all popping off like crazy. So it's the last one, cause I was like, give me all you got. And God was like, are you sure? And I'm like, yeah, bitch. And then I'm like. You know, when I call God bitch, he tends to throw thunderbolts down at me.

Or she, or they. I'm just gonna cover every base here. But what I'm saying is, I don't like the way you talk to God. I think that's just. That's my only problem. So this is your last lifetime. I would be okay with this being my last lifetime because I've loved this lifetime.

And if this is it, I'm not greedy for more. I don't think it's gonna get better. When's your birthday? April 18th. Oh, you're at the beginning, honey. I know, I can't do more. This is like your first one. You have like 3000 minimum left.

I'm more worried for the world. That's it. Oh my God. Well, it's gonna be end times. It's all post-apocalyptic, me babbling as a new person. So you were going to, you were, you know this is your last, who told you this? A shaman told you this?

Well, this medicine woman, so I go to this place called Esalen and it's like, you can be naked and you started as an alternative to an insane asylum, but it's in the Redwood forest and you go and you soak in like these lithium-filled baths, and you're naked, and it's beautiful, and there's butterflies, we love it.

So I go there, and then I met this medicine woman, and she's like, oh my God, and I was like, I know. And she's like, I don't know, I know. And she's like, it's your last lifetime, you know? I'm like, yes. And so we've been doing all this work, trying to get me, like, spiritually focused and ready to just, like, spread as much love

in the most adorable package, as much as I can, until the day I die. Let me ask you a question. Would I do okay at Esalen? Be honest. You would love it. But... Have you ever been? Do you know about it? I've never been naked.

Oh, gosh. Well, come to the tw. Oh gosh. So. Well come to the twangit church. So, so, so. The getchurcha time. No, but what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, I don't know, be honest. Try and be, we're friends, be honest.

How would I do at Esalen? Well, how do you feel about spiders? I'm okay with spiders. Okay, how do you feel about like, nakedness? I like other people being naked. Okay, how? Totally down with it. how do you feel about like nakedness? I like other people being naked. Okay, how? Totally down with it. How do you feel about hippies? Hippies, I'm cool with hippies.

You'd be great. Yeah. Yeah. You can go and like take different, I teach songwriting there. Oh wow. Yeah. Okay. I'm down with all of it. I'm down with everyone else being naked,

me maybe in a three piece suit. No. That's great. You can do whatever makes anybody comfy. But with like a little butt, like assless chaps. Wait, but you're watching everybody who's naked and you're fully clothed? And sketching them. That's so cool.

Sounding kind of weird. I've done that there. I'm sketching them in. And I found a little window I can peer out of. Oh no! Yeah, peering through a little window and I brought the little window. I set it up between two trees. And you were never invited there.

And I was not invited there, and I'm escorted out, and I run away every time she's approaching. Geez, you were invited. Now you're not invited. I'm not invited. You just disinvited me. No, you would love it. We should go, honestly, if you ever want to go for a weekend,

it's my favorite place in the world. Okay. And what was my point of all of this? You don't need a point. That's the thing is, it's probably a good time. Is that how podcasts work? You don't need a point? That's how this one works.'re having a good time. Is that how podcasts work? You don't need a point? That's how this one works.

So I just don't have to have a point? I love it. No responsibility. Oh my God. I'm gonna give you your point. Go ahead. And this is the ultimate form of mansplaining. I'll tell you, Kesha, what you meant. Please, tell me my point.

Well, I was bringing up the fact that as a kid, you were a seeker, you went to like, you used to drive around to different churches or have your mom drive around to explore. And it sounds like this has been a theme in your life. You're going to Esalen, you were a seeker, you went to like, you used to drive around to different churches or have your mom drive around to explore. And it sounds like this has been a theme in your life. You're going to Esalen, you're just, you're out there to try and find out whatever you can find out you're curious.

Which takes a certain amount of bravery, I would say. Oh my God, it's very psychedelic out here. You guys don't think, it's so surreal. I have the trippiest experiences and I'm like, fine line between like spiritual and just insane, but I love riding that line. And I've just had so many interesting, serendipitous experiences, like where my cat,

I had a spiritual awakening and I saw the universe and my cat brought me headphones and a guy. Was that real, the part where your cat brings you headphones? I swear to God, Mr. Peeps. I swear to God. What brand headphones? He can turn this into a plug and then Mr. Peeps can make some money.

Come on, Peter, let's go. What did we use in here? We used Shure headphones. It was this giant Shure headphones my cat brought me those. Cat approved. Meow. Ask Mr. Pe this. Cat approved. Meow. That's Mr. Peeps.

They're really good. Meow. Mr. Peeps just made $40,000. He does that. ["Sweet Home Alone"] ["Sweet Home Alone"] So anyways, so like weird psychedelic things have been happening my whole life. So I started, because in school, I was like, I don't know if I belong with these people

because I'm in like outside of Nashville, people are thrown around the N word. I'm like, I think I'm gay. And then I was like, well, actually, I just don't like anybody. And so then I met punk rockers and I was like, wait, I fuck with punk rockers. Cause they're like, don't give a fuck, but they stand in their integrity, but like in a very offensive way.

Yeah. It's kind of fun. And so I was like- In your face. Yeah. Yeah. That's the essence of punk rock is lean into it in your face, this is happening. Yeah, but like at the, at the heart of it, there's a lot of integrity.

Yeah. That's just mixed with rage and like, I don't give a fuck how this reads to you, but like it is what it is. And I loved that like Iggy Pop was a guiding light for me. So I'm in like middle school. I'm like, mom, will you drive me from one super church to the other one?

And my first kiss outside of a super church, and I was like, I have always been fascinated with what makes people do what they're doing, like survive, like what do you believe in? What are we doing? What are we doing here? And who are you gonna listen to about how to do it, and like why?

So that was always my fascination. Even with becoming a pop star, like I always thought Mick Jagger was very similar to like the preachers I would see at the church. Yeah. Like there's a similarity there. He's a good front man. Yeah.

A good front man is serving the same purpose as a preacher. Yeah. It's this tireless energy and then they have to project hardcore belief in what they're doing. Totally. It's easier to be Bill Wyman, the bass player in the Stones, formerly bass player,

but like you can kind of hang back and have a bad day, but if you're Mick Jagger, you can never have a bad day. You can't doubt, you can't have a doubt in your damn body about what you're doing. And like that faith, I'm like, shit, I want that faith in something that's wild. So I always was like really fascinated to that energy. Did you know you could get up on a stage

or that you belonged up on a stage even as a kid? No, I was like the person that everyone's like, you're too weird to even like sit near. Like you're just so weird. And so, no, I didn't wanna be on the stage. I was like, I'm just gonna go make out with some dude. That has been my motto my whole life. Fuck you guys, I'm gonna go make out with some hot dude.

This was your religion in a way. Honestly, dead ass. I dabbled in that a little bit too. Sona worked with me for quite a while. During the period of time when you were coming on the show and everything, Sona was making out with some dude up in my office. Good job.

But she was supposed to be filing. Who's done the filing lately? This is my, it was my religion. Yeah, it was your religion. So, yeah, so I love that. I just saw there's a song in there. Go on. You gotta cut her in.

No, it's fine. It's interesting to me that, and I didn't realize that you were doing backup vocals for a while before you hit it on your own. That's a very interesting role, I would think, and very educational. Totally. Because you're around Miley Cyrus, Ariana Grande, and you're watching them do it,

and you're providing this very technical assistance to them and helping them out, but you're also, you're kind of watching from the side, but seeing how it's done. Totally, and absorbing it all. I've worked with all different kinds of people in the business, but one of the greats is Rick Rubin. Yep.

And just seeing how he's done it alongside of how someone like Ariana does it, alongside of, I wrote a song for Britney. Like, just kind of like taking these notes. And that's why I teach songwriting, is because I'm like, I've been around some of the most incredible, like, artists of our generation. Not let alone myself, right?

So, very cut and T. Um... BOTH LAUGH This is only going to be the podcast that's used that word the third most. So, very cut and T. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. This is only gonna be the podcast that's used that word the third most. That's right. Right. There's been two others that are still ahead of you.

But so yeah. You have to figure it out. I like watching, I like watching people in flow. That's why you wanted to know why I brought you a guitar is because I love watching people in flow. I love seeing people in their creative and like anything can be creative, right? Like the way I got dressed today, I was creative.

Yes, you took a Conan t-shirt and you took it so to the next level. That's right. Yeah, I've never been attracted to myself. And now I am. Wait a minute, that's not true. Promoting self-love in here too, we love that. And now I am. Wait a minute, that's not true. Promoting self-love in here too, we love that.

You're not attracted to Kesha, you're attracted to yourself. Kesha is making the t-shirt with me on it attractive. Yeah, I'm certainly attracted to you as well. Yeah. So let's talk about this because you put in the time, you work, you work, you work, then I meet you when TikTok hits and it's a phenomenon.

And you have described the feeling that so many people wish and pray for this day. And when it happens though, it's kind of mind-altering because you had been playing in front of, oh, I just played a show and there were a couple hundred people there. And then overnight. Dude, it was not a couple hundred people there, and then overnight. Dude, it was not a couple hundred.

Don't you call me dude. I almost called you the admiral. I'm an admiral in the Navy. You call me Admiral O'Brien. I'm an admiral in the Kesha Navy. I stopped myself from saying, bitch. No, bitch is okay. Okay.

This admiral's okay with bitch. Great, but not to God. Okay, so the shows I was playing before that were like 10 people and the one guy at the bar was asleep. So does he count? I don't know. And then I played Lollapalooza and I will look out and I was like, they must be here for the person after me.

Right, who's standing behind me that they wanna see? And I was like, what? And then they knew the song and I was like, what the fuck is going on here? And then that night it was like hanging out with the Black Keys and they came to the show and I'm like, whoa, what the hell? It happened so fast, so fast.

And my mind like was like, what? It was very weird. Well, I remember you came on for TikTok and then you kept coming back with other performances. And what I always remember is how you're so quick and funny and your whole spirit was, let's see where this goes, which was great, which was really nice.

And you had this sense of humor about, I'm sure that try to say this right way, like you would use your sexuality in this way that was really fun. Silly and fun. Silly and fun and things firing out of your... Chicha. Pfft.

Austin, I'm sorry. Yes, that's right. I didn't realize we were in Nicaragua. Oh, please, someone translate for me. Two cunties and a chicha. We got them. Oh, I love keeping track. And one chicha. I'm not familiar and a chicha. We got them. Two cunties and one chicha.

I'm not familiar with the chicha. Or the vagina, for that matter. You both were writing it down. Yeah, I'm just trying to get my terms right. You know, when Kesha comes on, it comes with a term sheet. Yeah. It does. There's a glossary.

God is a bitch. There's cunties and chichas. Can we get a telestrator of you as well? But no, like literally, and things were firing out of your nipples. There was? There was, you didn't. Oh, wait a minute, that's a dream I had.

Yeah, you had, you would, there was a burlesque fun attitude about it all. Which was, had almost cartoonish element to it. And it was, it was fun. It was for lack, I mean, that's the word. It was, it had an almost cartoonish element to it. And it was, it was fun. It was for lack of, I mean, that's the word. It was fun and- It's fun. Experimental and artistic and silly and absurd

and the whole thing mashed together. Totally. Cause I like, I grew up not knowing, I didn't have my God to pray to. Like even in anywhere I was like, and I to pray to. Like even in anywhere, I was like, and I've started to realize like, it's kind of cool that I do feel like a true original. In ways I wished I had someone to be like,

I wanna be just like that person, but there's like nobody to really point to. Like there are a lot of amazing people I wanna be like in ways, but there's not just like one person. Well, I have this theory that I've had for a while, which is we all grow up looking at people and thinking, I really like what they're doing,

I really like what they're doing, I really like what they're doing. And it's your failure to be the person. And I use the word failure, it's not really a failure, but it's your attempt to be the person and your inability to be them that makes you original. Totally, I have many thoughts about this. So I think authenticity is the highest vibration you can vibrate at.

True authenticity, not trying to be somebody really just your authentic, weird self with your family dynamic passed down in your body and your DNA and where you come from and everything you've seen and done. Your authenticity, you're the only one. Everyone is a true original. And so I've like started playing a fun game with myself, like how authentic can I be? And it freaks people out.

It kind of freaks me out sometimes. But then I'm like, well, it's authentic. This is the game we're playing. It's your last lifetime. So that's A. Wait, there was a really good point. Hold on. Let me tell you what it was.

Ah! Ah! Fuck, what was it? B, tariffs don't work. Oh! Oh! Oh! Okay, I remember now. Sorry.

Okay. I made a guess and I was wrong. Not, was not. Okay, height of the pop stardom, like bejazzled body suits, not eating, like trying to be this thing that I'm like, bedjazzled, bodysuits, not eating, like trying to be, trying to be this thing that I'm not. Yep. And I just like hit a wall where I'm like doing the dance,

the dancing and I'm like, this is not me. Everybody wants me to be this. And I'm trying to please them because I like people to be happy. I want people to be happy. Timber, biggest song in the world. Took off the bedjazzled bodysuit, stopped the arena tour, started a punk band called Yeast Infection, played dive bars,

much to the dismay of everybody around me. Of the machine. Oh my God, they were not happy. But like, that's one of my proudest moments. Because like, I did grow up on food stamps. I'm not scared of what it means to not have money. Like, fuck that. But like, that's one of my proudest moments. Because like, I did grow up on food stamps. I'm not scared of what it means to not have money. Like, fuck that.

I'm gonna stand in my integrity of who I am and in my authenticity. And I'm not gonna stand for, like I become the thing that I like hated. Like, I don't want little girls looking up to someone who's not eating and me pretending like I'm eating, but I'm not. Like, no, I'm not gonna do this.

That's not who I am. That's not what I stand for. Fuck that. And that was like when everything changed. Where I was like, but I'm not like, no, I'm not gonna do this. That's not who I am. It's not what I stand for. Fuck that. And that was like when everything changed. Where I was like, I tried it your way, you guys, and it's bullshit. And now I'm doing it my way. And like take whatever you want

because my fucking genius is in my mind. So you can never have it. You can own my voice. You can do the thing and blah, blah, blah. Let's talk about that because the album you're coming out with now is the first time that you've do the thing, blah, blah, blah. Let's talk about that because the album you're coming out with now is the first time that you've owned the rights to your voice, is that right?

Yeah, it's the first time I've had the legal rights to my recorded voice since I was 18 years old. Jesus. Oh my God. Yeah, and after a 10 year litigation, three states, but like it was kind of- And this is period, this is the- Yeah.

And it is, it's a strange thing to think about and I can kind of relate, not on the same scale, but I can kind of relate when you're young and super hungry, you just want in. When you're just happy to be there. You're happy to be there. And so, and this is the one of the oldest stories in show business is pop stars when they're 17, 18,

signing everything away because someone's saying, we have the microphone, the microphone's in that room. If you wanna sing into it, sign this piece of paper and you'll do it. Yeah, well, and you also like, your brain's not fully developed. I grew up without a father, you know, came from very humble beginnings.

And so, like, also didn't really understand in perpetuity in the universe. Mm-hmm. Like, that's what I signed. And in my mind, I'm like, I'm a punk rocker. Like, he's going to take, they're going to take a bunch of money? That's fine.

Like, I don't care about money. But actually, what I didn't realize is, like, in perpetuity in the universe of my voice, like that's a, it's a big thing you're signing. And then I just like, I like reached max capacity, biggest song in the world moment. And then it was like, no. So that's when I saw you in the street.

So I needed that hug. So thank you. I was wandering around hoping I could hug Kesha and I manifested you. I needed that hug, so thank you. I was wandering around hoping I could hug Kesha. And I manifested you. I love that. And I was like, I gotta get her fast because it's her last life. You can do that?

It is. And I knew that I had 10,000 lives still to go. But I knew I couldn't get you the next time around. Oh, right. Because you're not gonna be around next time. It's now or never, yeah. It's gonna be some other, and I don't wanna hug that creep.

This period of time that you went through this crazy litigation and all that stuff that everyone's read about, and I don't think people that have been through legal things on that scale can understand how it consumes your whole life. You know? Every thing. And like it takes over your whole life.

And when it has to do with your creativity and what you do to keep yourself sane, that's doubly. It's not like, oh, you're being sued over a parking lot that you own in Encino and you may not get to see it for a while or you may lose part of it. It's your essence of who you are. Well, it's the thing that you, yeah, it's weird. It's like your soul is like on paper owned by someone else,

but you're like, but it's in my body. And I have rights to my body, but all of this is infiltrated every ounce of my body and my brain. And it just is really toxic and it's really unfortunate because people use that as as a tool to torture. And it works. It was really, really hard.

And I just remember getting more and more scared and paranoid because the fuckery, but then also how long it went on. And that was by design. And I remember being told that by the time I got out of this situation, I would be old and I would be broke and I would be irrelevant. So every single time that I do anything that connects, it hits like on a level people will never understand.

Right. And so like, it's like- It's a great, it's a sweet revenge. Oh, it's also just like, it's not true. Like I'm not old, God damn it. And I'm well, the legal bills, but I'm not irrelevant. And so that it's like, it's nice to have people that believe in you and like, so I appreciate you.

And I always have from the beginning, like our relationship from the beginning. It's so funny that you, cause I feel like we're in tune in some crazy way because you bring this guitar and you talk about flow state. That is the way I chill is before you showed up, I was upstairs with an Epiphone Casino strapped on, just doing scales and noodling and doing little riffs

because that's in my office, because that's how I kind of turn off the noise. Is I've found that if my hands are busy, the noise goes away. And if I'm doing scales or if I'm doing, it's just everything calms down a little bit. Yes, this is what the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills does to me.

I'm dead ass right now. I don't know why, but it scratches that part of my brain. But you know, I completely relate to that. And I've said this before, but for my wife, it is below deck. She likes her some below deck. And there are times where she's so smart and she's so hyper literate and hyper competent.

And then there are times where I'll just find her in a room and she's like got Cheeto dust in her face. And she's just watched like 15 down under below decks in a row. And you're like, are you okay? I'm like, are you all right? And she's like, who are you? Look, I'm your husband of 23 years.

You've never seen me naked, but I really am. And so, I mean, but that is, I understand that. I understand that. We all need that. Well, I think because creativity has become like, it became my job, and then it became like, I have to fight for this, like, so fucking hard. I need like 30 minutes, one time a week, to watch some ladies yell about their Birkins, okay? for this, like so fucking hard. I need like 30 minutes, one time a week,

to watch some ladies yell about their Birkins, okay? The Birkin, such an innocent shoe. Or a bag? It's a bag. This is a fake Birkin. That's a fake Birkin? Oh yeah, but you can't tell, right? I could. South Korea. You could not. The minute you walked in, I was like, fucking fake Birkin. That's a fake Birkin? Oh yeah, but you can't tell, right? I could. South Korea.

You could not get out of town. The minute you walked in, I was like, fucking fake Birkin. And you know what? Matt gave me the signal to cancel. I did. He gave me the, let's cut this off. We got a fake Birkin in the house.

And we can't talk to you. You might meet not the real Kesha. We actually switched that out with a real Birkin when we were looking. I would love that. That's our prank show. Oh my God, giving people real Birkins? Okay, I'll play. You know, you had the moment,

you talk about these little cultural moments, you knew you had made it. You said when the Simpsons switched out, the opening of their show, because they always do a different opening. They did an opening featuring TikTok and you're like, okay. It's like, fine.

Got it. I guess this is on. And I was like, and then it was like wild style. It was just like wild style. My life's been wild style. Wild style. It's just the only way I can describe it. So are you willing to have like a boring day

that would, I know you mentioned, you wanna watch your Beverly Hills Housewives. Yeah, that I've. But do you ever take a day and just, I don't know, you know, make some pasta. Cake. A cake, bake a cake, paint a wall. No, paint a wall.

Do some electrical repair on my wall. To be honest, no, this is kind of a problem. I have no chill. I have a tattoo that says chill. It's a lie. I'm not chill. That's why you got the tattoo. I know, I was trying to chill.

To remind yourself. Just get more tattoos. Yeah. When you're trying to chill. I have a tattoo that says stop talking. You do? No, but I wish I had a tattoo. Well, it doesn't help.

But no, I don't understand how. But what about when you're at this retreat? Okay, but then you're romping around naked, chasing the butterflies and like tromping up in the hills and then go in the art barn, and then you go and you like dance your traumas away, and then the medicine woman comes and... Are you still naked when this is all happening?

You like can be, but I wasn't dancing naked. I agree with you. I'm making little noises. Again, I'm the creep who's peering in at Esalen. No, no. You know what, I'm in a faraway hill with crazy big comically large binoculars going, oh, I think I see Kesha.

You're wearing like a sniper ghillie suit, you know? No, I'm not wearing a, I'm wearing a birding outfit. So it's, you go and like, you don't usually dance naked. You're usually just naked in the hot springs. Yeah, yeah. Don't be weird about it, Conan. Don't be weird about what? Dancing naked is problematic, I'm sure, you know?

Why? I don't know. Things could get caught in the machinery. What? What machinery? There might be a thresher nearby. I don't know. I haven't thought this all the way through. I assumed they're out

in the woods and there's a threshing machine. Your Irish cutlets are gonna get caught in the combine. I won't have my Irish cutlets thrashed in some thresher. Kesha, you've ruined this podcast forever. He's short-circuited after he said, Cheetah. I know. You said Cheetah. And you know what? Once that happened. Let's not discount the jazz

Are we writing these down what do we have we got two countries well I guess two cheetahs now for countin that one One Irish cutlets and one bejazled count it. Yeah, literally the dorkiest thing you could do is write this stuff down I'm gonna keep these on clipboard Yes, I love having this, I love consulting a clipboard. Hold on a second. That's one be jazzled, two Irish cutlets, a cuntie. You compared your nipples to spam.

I wanna write that one down. Well, if you saw them, you'd notice what I'm talking about. Let's just say the freckle is not the most erotic symbol. You have had, I'm telling you, you're a very spiritual person. What's this segue gonna be? Let's go! Do it! Get it! Get it! Here's your potter, like I can't show a potter, cause I can't show a potter, don't stop.

Okay, listen, I want control of this. There's no kind of product like Kesha product cause Kesha powder don't stop. Okay. Listen, I want control of this. It's my job as the admiral of this podcast to get it under control and Kesha has ruined everything. You are always fun, always fun. 100%. That's why, you know what happened was we,

I was doing something at South by Southwest and someone came up to me and said, "'Kesha's here' and was just to speak to you." And I hadn't run into you since I think I saw you on the street and I said, "'I would love to see Kesha.' And then five minutes later you walked in and we had this nice reunion and I said,

"'You've got to come on the podcast, please.'" And here we are. And here we are and it's a mess. It's a mess. That is what I do. No, it is. It should be. It is exactly what it should be.

You are a magical, you are a magical spirit from another land. Let's take a spiritual journey together. Tell me. Let's go. You're a very spiritual person. You say you've had spiritual encounters. Do you believe in ghosts?

I'm not a ghost person. Are you fucking kidding me right now? Well, I don't know about ghosts. Okay, well. I believe there are energies and spirits, but I don't know about a ghost. Would you ever go ghost hunting? Yeah, I go ghost hunting.

Okay, so I did a TV show on Disney Plus called Conjuring Cashew where I went ghost hunting, looking for aliens, looking for Bigfoot. Some shit happened, didn't do a season two, so on my tour this summer, on the day is off, I'm doing it myself. See, this is how you relax. It's not making a cake. Dude, that is your chill.

That's your chill. Your chill is looking for Bigfoot and... Fuck yeah. What about Luckness Monster? Fuck yeah. Chupacabra. I don't know what that is, but fuck yeah, too. It's an Israeli appetizer.

But like, yes, that is how I realize. Ghosts though, specifically ones who have passed on you think are still visiting us. 100%. Okay, so I'm filming a show. I am the exec producer, filming the cameraman. I forget what the camera is called, where it's like infrared, where you can see body heat.

Eduardo, what is that called? A thermal camera? I asked Eduardo. Oh, sorry. I defer body heat. Uh, Eduardo, what is that called? A thermal camera? I asked, Eduardo! Oh, sorry. I defer to Matt. God damn it, you're good. I'll have you see my previous answer. A thermal? I think, isn't it a thermal camera like Predator?

Just like that. Yeah. OK, so I'm filming him. He's filming me day two, haunted insane asylum. They're with Big Freedia, Chip Coffee. We're bored. It's like four in the morning, and they're like, start like basically talking shit

to the demons. I'm like, all right, where are you at? Like, you're not even here. Just like- Right, condescended the demons, insult the demons, which would bring a demon forth, I would think. And it did. And so then, on camera, holding the camera,

watch this thing like crawl up Jake and crawl into the ceiling. And it happened so fast I was like Jake there's the thing and then that's how fast right filming it exact same time He like throws down a red camera really expensive cameras like oh my god There's something crawling on me pulls his shirt up and there's three scratch marks down his spine and chip coffee comes over And throws holy water on it, and then it heals and I'm like what the fuck is this who's chip coffee comes over and throws holy water on it and then it heals and I'm like, what the fuck is this? Who's Chip Coffee?

That's the cruelest name I've ever heard. And why isn't he a private detective? He might be. The name's Coffee, Chip Coffee. Well, OK, that's stunning. Do you have all that on camera? Yes. And nobody cares.

That's the craziest part. Nobody cares. I'm like, nobody cares about these ghosts I found. You're welcome. But I found so many. You found so many ghosts. Uh, what do... Do you get creeped out in a graveyard? Are you kind of happy there? No, I'm so happy.

Yeah. Because I'm like, almost there. Well, you know what? Oh, my God! Getcha! Kesha, no. You're not. Oh, you're not. Oh, you're not.

Trust me, I'm getting to the boneyard long before you. I'll tell you, and I'll come back and I'll tell you how it is. Kesha, it's me, it's me, it's Conan. No, please. I'm in the afterlife and I'm still not naked. All the other ghosts are letting things flop around. Wait, how would you haunt? How would I haunt?

Irritating. Irritating? I wouldn't scare people, but I'd be, I mean, I'm gonna pass on, and even Gorley and Sona are youngsters, they're gonna be happily living their lives, and I'm gonna just be like, ooh, hey, what's going on?

You're gonna be doing bits. Doing bits, I'm gonna be doing bits, and coming back and saying, wouldn't it be funny if, yeah, and you will get an exorcist, but nothing scary will happen. There'll be no cone vomiting or head spinning. I'll put my hair up in a bun

and it'll just get knocked out immediately. Whenever her hair is in a bun, I knock it loose. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, it's a lot of like, yeah, you'll do that. I'll do that. Or Gorley, I'll scratch your favorite. He loves to listen to old Kay Kaiser tunes on his 45 player.

I've got spurs that jingle when they jingle know who that is. I don't know. I don't know. He's got me. I don't know. He just loves old, he just puts on old records and he wears a seersucker suit. Oh my God, so cute. Yeah, I do do this, I do do this.

I'll be scratching, all your records will be scratched and you know what happens. I go to flea markets and I'm in a ukulele club and. Same, cute. I've been signing him a personality over time and soon it will become his personality. This is the first time I've ever been happy about it. Yeah, it's just little things.

Like he'll take things that you have like organized and he'll move them around just a little bit. So it'll infuriate you. Yeah, make you crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Has that ever happened? The thing is, the first person I'm gonna go to is Kesha. You better.

That's like, yeah, I'm gonna go to you first. You fucking better. Hey, man, Jesus. And I'd be like, I'm gonna go to you first. You fucking better. Hey, man, Jesus. And I'd be like, I like when you wear my merchandise. It looks so sexy and I can monetize it. You're a weird ghost. You're gonna, you know, I'll be the first,

I'll be a ghost that has a restraining order. Keisha, ah, ah, 55 know, I'll be the first, I'll be a ghost that has a restraining order. K.Sher 55 feet. Oh, fuck. Well, I gotta talk about this. You're going out on tour. It's the Tits Out Tour and I have got to join you on stage and I gotta let these cutlets breathe. Yes, let them out, baby. Are you enjoying the live performing?

I bet, I have a prediction that you're enjoying it now maybe more than ever because you've been through everything. I am enjoying everything better now. It's weird when you like sign away the rights to the one thing you do and have dedicated your life to in perpetuity in the universe, and then you get it back. Fucking everything is different. I feel like I'm living in hyper color.

I feel like I'm also like healing in front of the world at the same time, which is like messy, but I just had to make a conscious choice. Like, what do I believe? I believe in being authentic. I believe it's my last lifetime. Like I really do believe it. And so like, fuck it, let's go. And like now everything is so much more fun listening to,

I couldn't even listen to music for a long time. I have not listened to some songs that were like, particularly unpleasant for me. And I like, last week, you would hate this, but I was like, dancing around my room, naked, sobbing. No, no, no, no, I like it when you do it. Okay, just not you, okay, got it. Yeah, again, I just, I'm there just as a sketch artist.

But just like crying, being like, these are my children. Like I've turned my back on my children and like, I love them and I wanna play them and the fans wanna hear them and I can't wait to see my fans and I'm free. There was just a period of time when like, I felt so forgotten by the world. Like 10 years is a long time.

And I was also like, signed to the people that were suing me. And so like by year like nine, I was like, I feel so fucking like nobody cares. Yeah, yeah. It was so isolating and so depressing. And then I get a phone call. Everything looks the same, ring ring.

In three months time, you will be free. And I'm like, everything just flipped in that minute. Like in that moment, I wrote 200 songs over the course of the next couple of months. Like just, there was like color brought back into my life. And now I can't wait to tour. And I'm, all the music that has negative connotation, everything's energy.

So yes, I believe in ghosts. We'll have to circle back on that. But anyways. I'm taking a... Asha, it's me, Conan. I didn't even die, but I'm a ghost hanging around your house. Doing sketches. hanging around your house, doing sketches. He's here, alive and well.

I'm alive and well. I'm here to serve you with a ghost subpoena. Oh, ghost subpoena. Yeah, so I mean, I am genuinely very happy for you, and it's funny, I have this, because I've been doing this for so long and I encounter people and then I see them at different phases in their life.

And I have this relationship sometimes and I've said this to many people and you fit the bill as well, where I'm rooting for you because you came and helped me out and gave of your talent on my show, and you always brought great energy. And I thought, I'm just so happy to reconnect with you. And this has been really funny and fun and filthy at times.

And like a little psychotic. Yeah, but also, no, and also I'm learning some words here that I didn't know. Oh, we love that. It's good you wrote them down. It that. It's good you wrote them down. It is, it's good you wrote them down. What happens when this piece of paper's found later on in my pocket?

That's when the restraining order gets good. This laundry got sent back and the woman who works there wants to talk to you? This was rolled up in your... Hi, I have Mr. O'Brien's grocery list. I'm wondering if you could help me find some of these. I understand Irish cutlets, but where are the chichas? I need two cunties.

I need two cunties and a chicha, please, to go. Well, I'm really happy for you. The Tits Out Tour, I'm going to be there, man. I'm going to be there dancing on stage. Yeah, you are. No, no, that will hurt you. That will hurt the members. No, you must.

No, no, no, your fans will get so mad when I dance out on tour in the Tits Out Tour. They'll be so happy. Sona, talk some sense into Kesha. They won't be happy. No. No. No.

Your first independent album, period. This is under your own label. Kesha Records, July 4th, 2025. This is your sixth studio album. I'm really happy for you. And thank you so much for bringing me that gorgeous guitar. I'm gonna be playing that today and tonight. And thank you.

Conan merch has never looked cooler. Oh, we'll have to take some hot pics and drop it on the gram. Yes, yes. I wish I knew what the gram was. I got you. I got you. On a gram cracker.

Kesha wants a photo on a graham cracker. Idiot! I know what the graham is, he said lying. Kesha, thank you so much for being here and for bringing your cool spirit. Thanks for always being the fucking best. Geez. Deadass. See that gorley?

Rick Rubin and Conan O'Brien. You are one of the best men. Oh my God. That is the first and only time anyone will clump you are one of the best men. Oh my God. That is the first and only time anyone will clump you together with Rick Rubin, I think, right? They're my two favorite men in entertainment. I'm gonna try and get into offender bender with him. Just so that we're named in court together.

I'm gonna wait for Rick Rubin to drive by and then just slam into the back of his car. Conan O'Brien struck Rick Rubin, see, so now twice! He was driving his Nissan Sentra when he was hit from behind by Conan O'Brien. All right, bless you, Kesha. Ryan struck Rick Rubin's C-Sona twice! What? He was driving his Nissan Sentra when he was hit from behind by Conan O'Brien. All right, bless you, Kesha. Go forward and do great work.

Let's party. Let's party. Let's party. Let's party. Let's party. Okay, we need to discuss something that just happened moments ago. And this has never happened before on the podcast in five years.

We took a break. We had just finished interviewing Kesha. Wonderful time, really fun. Wonderful. She's so funny and fun and it was revealing and cool and all kinds of stuff. Then we take a break. I remain here and start doodling on my sketch pad. I remain here too.

But- Because I am a decent person. Why don't you tell us what happened, Matt? Just tell us, it's okay. No, it's really embarrassing. It's not okay at all. I had to pee and I went to the bathroom and I opened the door, it's really embarrassing. It's not okay at all. I had to pee and I went to the bathroom and I opened the door, it wasn't locked,

and Kesha was peeing in the bathroom. So you walked in on Kesha while she was urinating. And she screamed. She screamed. But she did the cutest little, ah! Like this, like an Ewok or something. And she was very nice about it and I truly didn't mean to. Just the door. it and I truly didn't mean to.

Just the door. You said you truly didn't mean to, but I would like to point out that just as you got up from the table, you looked at me and you said, time to watch Kesha Ping. And stormed out of the room and I said, no. No, you did not say that.

And this is for the court records, you did not say such a thing. Can I say something? The door was closed, and you didn't think about like, knocking? Yes, here's the thing. The door was not locked, and there are two doors in that restroom. There's the door, and immediately to the left,

there's another door, so I just, anytime I've ever used that restroom, it's always locked, if it's being occupied. Yeah, but- So I just wasn't used to it. Are you suggesting that I did that on purpose? I didn't even know she was in there. I don't know. It's not proper bathroom etiquette.

If the door is closed, you knock. I'm totally with Sona on this. I'm a knocker. Me too. I always knock. I just certainly will from here on out. I can tell you that much. Oh my God. But I mean. Unless from here on out. I can tell you that much. Oh, my God.

But I mean... Unless it's Kesha. Yeah. It was... We heard shrieking. Yeah. You came running back in, face beet red. It was. Uh, the... We have a whole bunch of people out there who were watching the podcast.

They find out what happened. They're screaming. I mean, it really did sound like a house of murder. It did. Well, and also, I have to admit, because I think it's a very awkward situation for everybody. You came in here like, I just walked in on Kesha. And then we could have just, you could have ignored it, but you went out there and you apologized. Which was nice.

No, I think it's nice, but it also, I don't know, does that make you somebody more uncomfortable or more embarrassed? Can I also explain one other thing? I was right on the heels of Eduardo saying, let me just go pee really quickly. I didn't know which one he was in. I thought because this one was unlocked,

he was not in there. Maybe he was trying to come look at me. Yeah, maybe. Oh! In his defense, he was trying to watch Eduardo urinate. That's right. And accidentally walked in on Sexy Kesha. So I-

Wait a minute. You're the creep here. And just to let people know here, there are two bathrooms. There's one right next to our studio. And then there's one that is kind of further on down the hall. And so you didn't use the one right next to the studio. Why?

It was used. Okay. How did you know it was used? Cause the door was shut? I thought- Yeah, why didn't you walk in on that one? Because I thought Eduardo went into that one and I thought no one else is in this other one.

Cause I knew he went into that one. I don't know, there's a lot of assumptions here. A lot of assumptions here. And can I say something else? The second bathroom is labeled pop star. And the first bathroom is labeled peons that work here at the show. That's an unfortunate pun.

Yeah, it is. And no pun intended. And then my bathroom is called a comedic icon and that's on the top floor. I just wanna refresh us to the interview prior to this where you spent a good five minutes talking about how you wanted to dress like a urinal and have women pee on you.

So, okay. No, no, no. No, that's, okay. That, I did not. Eddie talked about perving on Kesha while she was at the Esalen. Esalen, that's right. No, no, no, no, no, no.

First of all, this whole thing about me dressing as a urinal wouldn't work on women. That's a flawed concept. So I know you're lying. Oh, then it's okay. I know you're lying. Oh, I'll dress as a urinal and then trap women. Slight flaw with your plan there, Gourley, that you're trying to assign to me.

Clearly you've thought this out, and I've found your sketches, and I've seen what you've done. Anyway, I want to assure all of our guests that from now on, Matt Gourley is going to knock. I, yes, agree. And a good idea maybe to lock the bathroom door when Gourley is going to knock. I, yes, agree. And a good idea maybe to lock the bathroom door when Gourley's on the property.

I agree with that. When the mad peeper's here, let's lock things up. Mad peeper. You know? Can I ask a question? So, you know, we are on the second floor. Conan, your office and your own personal bathroom

is on the third floor. It's not my personal bathroom because I share it with Adam Sacks, Jeff Ross, and anyone else who wants to go up there. Well, that's my question is, should we, so this doesn't happen again, should we assign Gorley a bathroom? This is the only bathroom you're allowed to use. Oh, what are you doing?

I'm not like a sex offender. Oh, you know what we should do? I'm just saying. Well, first of all, we want to learn from our mistakes. You know what? We should learn from our mistakes. First of all, I think Gorley should wear

an ankle bracelet for a year. Yeah. And he has to go to every pop star in LA and knock on their door and tell them, if you're urinating in a bathroom near me, I may try and peek in on you. I might try to get in, yes. So that's rule number one. Rule number two is we should get one of those

outdoor bathrooms and we should put it in our little yard and that should be just for Gorley. Oh, like a porta potty? Little porta potty. Like an outhouse. Little outhouse porta potty. Oh, you like old timey things, we'll get you an old. Wait, no, I have a solution.

I quit. Okay. Hey, a little Gourley. Win, win, win. A little Gourley potty. A Gourley potty. We did it. Listen, you can write up rap all you want

on this piece of paper. Rap now. But you just wrote rap now. Oh my God. Listen, it was an accident, accidents happen and- I will say, if you're gonna walk in on someone, I feel like Kesha is a good person to walk in on. She was cool about it. She was so cool.

She's cool about it. She laughed about it. She's very, like very cool, very open. Yeah, I walked in four times on Al Pacino. Yeah. And he was like, Get the hell out of here! Who are you? What are you doing? Going to run. Mr. Yeah, I walked in four times on Al Pacino. Yeah. And he was like, get the hell outta here!

Who are you? What are you doing? Going to ride. It's the fourth, hey, he said I understand one time. It was the fourth time. And I said, it's taking you a long time to pee, Mr. Pacino. Who are you on?

I'm 94. I'm also played gym on taxi. All right, peace out. Love you, Kesha, bye. Oh my God. Hold on before we go, actually this just in, if you'd like to get the same retro Conan O'Brien t-shirt Kesha is wearing in this interview,

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