Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend - Larry David

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

Larry David feels so-so about being Conan’s friend.Larry sits down with Conan to discuss the final season of Curb Your Enthusiasm, why parties should have a party sheriff, quitting Saturday Night only to come back the next week pretending it never happened, and more. Plus, Conan’s wife Liza Powel O’Brien stops by to talk about season 2 of her podcast Significant Others which is available February 14th wherever you get your podcasts.For Conan videos, tour dates and more visit a question for Conan? Call our voicemail: (669) 587-2847.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hi, my name is Larry David and I feel so so about being Conan O'Brien's friend. That's the energy you're giving. Since the minute you walked in. So so, yeah. Hear the yell, back to school, ring the bell, brand new shoes, walking blues, climb the fence, books and pens. I can tell that we are gonna be friends. I can tell that we are gonna be friends. Hey there, welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend, joined as always by Sona Movesesian.
Starting point is 00:00:43 Hello Sona. Hi. And of course, Matt Gorley. Hi. And it has been raining constantly here in Los Angeles. And when people say it's been raining constantly in Los Angeles, it means it has rained. Yeah. It's been actually a couple of days of intense rain
Starting point is 00:00:56 that's made the national news. But I have to say there's an upside to it, which is we get to dress like adults. And I'm talking specifically to you, Matt, and to myself because I just, whenever the weather is kind of chilly or rainy, I love wearing clothing. It's not a T-shirt and a jean jacket and some sneakers. And it looks like my mom just packed my baloney sandwich
Starting point is 00:01:22 and I'm off to summer camp. So I don't know. And I walk in today and you are dressed like the old Spice Guy. You've got that really cool pea coat. Oh, it's nice to wear clothing. And there's something about Los Angeles that infantilizes people. You can see like the most successful person in LA walking down the street, you know, someone with like a billion dollars and they're wearing a hoof hearted t-shirt. And they're wearing some stretchy pants.
Starting point is 00:01:45 So they can do yoga squat whenever they need to and some big balloon sneakers. And you're like, what? How old are you? I'm 77, you know? It's just, are you picking up on any of this? I think there was a year once where I wore flip-flops every day for a whole year
Starting point is 00:02:00 and when I was in school. And this is bullshit. This rain sucks. No. This rain sucks. No, it's great. It's great. People should be dressing like they're doing a spy dead drop in East Berlin in. Yeah. Sixty nine. And this is where this is where. So today I did some traveling recently and I was in Ireland
Starting point is 00:02:17 and I brought with me this this tweet suit that I've had for a while. I'm not going to give you any grief for this. Because no, no, I know. I know. I always I always look. It's it's it's common knowledge that I attack you for a while. I'm not gonna give you any grief for this. No, no, I know, I know. I always, look, it's common knowledge that I attack you for my own flaws just because my self-hate comes out when I see you. And I'm learning vice versa too. Yeah, well, it's a nice moment.
Starting point is 00:02:36 But anyway, so I have this nice coat and these matching pants and I wear them today and I swear to God, I have a different, I feel like I'm a teacher at Eaton, like some kind of British school and it's the late 50s and they're just kind of, post-World War II rationing is still going, but I've got a stiff upper lip and I'm going off,
Starting point is 00:02:55 I'm courting the landlady, I'm a bachelor. You know? You know what I mean? And I'm walking around and I've got my boots on and I just, I don't know. I, it's so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous. But, and then everyone else is waiting for, please, please 72 degrees and sunny.
Starting point is 00:03:12 Yeah. 72 degrees and sunny. And this is what I like. Me too. I like this. Move. Just go somewhere else. Both of you.
Starting point is 00:03:19 Both of you buy an apartment in, like in, I don't know, Seattle. I think about it. Or Brains all the time. I think about it. Me too. But you know what the problem is? Seattle, all they do is wear fleece. It's all fleece, it's all North Face.
Starting point is 00:03:32 People, if you go to the op. You want fancy winter. My wife is from Seattle. I've spent a lot of time in Seattle. And I love Seattle, but if you went to the fanciest ball in Seattle, if such a thing existed, everyone there would be wearing big floppy fleece. When I met my wife, Liza, all she owned was fleece. Jeans and fleece. I can't do modern athleisure. It has to be wool, knit,
Starting point is 00:03:55 you know what I mean? You two sound so like uppercrest. I need my tweeds. This is the opposite of that. Can I say one thing? Can I say one thing, Sonnet? You're making us into stereotypes and caricatures and that's not who we are. Oh. Let me talk about, wait a minute. Let me talk about this. You're doing it.
Starting point is 00:04:11 I found this monocle store. Where you can get a horn-remeced monocle, just like the one Clank had on Hogan's Heroes. Oh, my God. And it's so great. Like, I don't even need a monocle. Both my eyes, you know, it's the same prescription, but what I do is I buy two monocles and I hold them in
Starting point is 00:04:25 and they act like glasses, but they're even more effete. This is highly erotic, do you agree? Oh, highly disagree. This is the least erotic thing I've ever heard. So you want cold weather, but you want a cold weather where everyone's dressing kind of posh. Not posh? Not posh, not posh.
Starting point is 00:04:42 I'm almost like Irish pub. Yeah, Irish pub, exactly. This is not posh we're posh. We're talking like Irish pub. Yeah, Irish pub. Exactly. This is not posh we're talking about. We're talking about Irish pub. I wish I smoked a pipe. And I wish that when I smoked a pipe, and this is a line from The Simpsons, not a line I wrote,
Starting point is 00:04:56 but a line that I really loved at the time when I was working there. Flanders talked about how sometimes he liked to smoke his pipe. And he said, yep. Sometimes I like to fire up the old briar. And I remember thinking, God damn it. I wish I smoked so I could get a big crazy pipe.
Starting point is 00:05:13 Cause you know, I do bits. I can do bits with a pencil. Think what I could do with a pipe. Oh my God. I would get a big pipe and I would, I would get a very, I would get the tobacco pouch and I would get my little tool that packs it in and I'd say, well, time to fire up the old briar. And I would puff the tobacco pouch and I would get my little tool that packs it in and I'd say, well, time to fire up the O'Brien.
Starting point is 00:05:27 And I would puff on that pipe and then I'd walk around in my tweed coat and be just a dick. Hey, Conan. Yeah, I bought a new umbrella yesterday. No, you didn't. Yeah, plaid. Which is plaid. Of course it's plaid. It's plaid.
Starting point is 00:05:38 It's extra long so you can use it as a walking stick. Yes! Oh, yeah, I get your walking stick. Oh, does it have a little wolf's head on that? I wish. What am I in heaven? Come on. Well, if does it have a little wolf's head on it? I wish, what am I in heaven? Come on. Well, if you don't have a wolf's head on the handle,
Starting point is 00:05:49 then you're in hell, sir. Hell I say. All right, we gotta get into it. Please, please make this end. I am thrilled about today. My guest is a good lord, absolutely brilliant, hilarious writer, actor and comedian.
Starting point is 00:06:06 Behind such shows as Seinfeld and Curb Your Enthusiasm, the 12th and final season of Curb Your Enthusiasm is now airing on HBO and streaming on Max. Thrilled isn't the word, honored, just blown away, just can't say enough about this gentleman Larry David welcome Feel this group is diverse enough cuz I'm a little I gotta sound slightly uncomfortable I'm a little bit of all the British
Starting point is 00:06:42 I gotta say I'm slightly uncomfortable. I'm a little bit of all the British Isles, if that helps. This would be your belly button mark. What is that? Yeah, there's a camera right there. What do you mean, a belly button? I'm on TV? Sure, it's being broadcast now. What the fuck, man?
Starting point is 00:06:55 Okay, first of all, this is a surprise to me. You've had a lot of surprises today. You didn't know we were all the way in central Los Angeles? No, I did not. Yeah, no. And you live quite far away. You didn't know we were all the way in Central Los Angeles? No, I did not. Yeah. No. And you live quite far away. You know, it's amazing as you're taking the drive
Starting point is 00:07:09 how the resentment builds and builds and builds. You know? Until finally, I'm coming north of Arlington. What am I doing here? Yeah. You and I live very close to each other. By the way, I think it's important for your listeners and viewers to know that Conan has already made not one, but two anti-Semitic statements to me.
Starting point is 00:07:32 Personally, yeah. Keep that in! Yeah, okay. Yeah, two. I was gonna try to get to seven before the hour's up. He's gonna try to get to seven. I had someone made a bet, and it was Jeff Ross, actually. Who said, I bet you can't get seven in and
Starting point is 00:07:46 Adam Sacks is okay with it too. So two Jewish people of the Jewish faith have said let's try and get to seven I'll keep a tally. Yeah. Thank you very much. So far. All you've done is bitch about how long you had to drive to get here Okay, which I thought was I think again again Accusing me of complaining. Okay. I didn't say Kovetch, I said bitch. Yes, but still, you're treading into an area now. I can't believe that you complaining
Starting point is 00:08:15 is considered an anti-Semitic. Yes, it is. Okay, all right, well, again. Is that three? Is that three? It's 2.5. It's 2.5. 2.5, I think to be fair.
Starting point is 00:08:26 Larry, I dread this day, the day that you would come in here. Most people do, wouldn't you? Before they see me, yeah. You're really, you're not a good guy. I think it's fair to say, right? I think it's, you know. No, I don't think so. You disagree.
Starting point is 00:08:41 People refer to me as splendid, that I'm a splendid. I don't know if I'm a good guy, I'm a splendid fellow. You're a splendid fellow. Yeah. I would agree with that. Yeah. I would agree with that. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:08:53 I remember very clearly the first time I met you. You, I was shooting something on the same lot where you guys shot Seinfeld. I had been doing the late night show for about two years. I walked over because I saw something was being shot and exterior was being shot. And then you were standing near a table and you were eating a sandwich chomping away, like a monster on a sandwich. And I got introduced to you and with a full mouth,
Starting point is 00:09:17 you said, I haven't seen your show. And you said, and I went, okay. And you said, so I don't know if you're any good or not. Oh God. And you're with a full mouth. And I said, okay. And you went, I mean, I'm not being rude. I'm just telling you honestly, chomp, chomp, chomp.
Starting point is 00:09:36 Another bite. I haven't seen your show. So I can't say right now whether you are any good or you're not any good. And I said, okay. And I remembered thinking I respect the honesty. You didn't sugarcoat it. I have to say that does not sound like my...
Starting point is 00:09:51 That's much nicer than I thought probably. Okay, all right, all right, all right. But you know what? You were my first talk show. That's right, yeah. And you were not happy about coming on a talk show. But I remembered, I got you through is the way I look at it. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. And, and Conan, I'll never forget that. I'll never forget how
Starting point is 00:10:18 how coming to work to me. Yes. In that time. Yeah. In your time of need. Really? Yeah. Because it really, when you think about it. Yeah, because it's a nerve-wracking thing, your first talk show, you know? Yeah, I guess so. I was not prepared, because I thought when you go on those shows, that you actually, you just talk. But there's research done.
Starting point is 00:10:41 People have no idea what goes into this. They see people on these talk shows and they think they're being all spontaneous and they're just talking, but they're not. They're doing prepared material. Yes. A producer calls them beforehand. In your case, it would have been Frank Smiley.
Starting point is 00:10:57 Frank Smiley. Calling you and yelling at you, probably. Frank Smiley called. I was supposed to come up with some anecdotes, I guess, but nothing in my life, nothing ever happens to me. So I... Right, there was a... There's not been one anecdotal moment in your life.
Starting point is 00:11:10 Exactly. There's a terrible dearth of anecdotes. So, yeah. To me, the secret is once people know you and like you and they know your rhythm, you don't need the anecdotes anymore. Once they knew you, through my kindness of putting you on a talk show, they got to know you.
Starting point is 00:11:28 They didn't know you from Curb or from Seinfeld. Two shows that had never really been much viewed. But when they saw you on my show at 12.50 at night, I think it got you through. Those were, for those of you. Those were loud swallows. That was a swallow and I don't think that's a terrible thing to do after after a swallow. Why do I have to curb that? Why should you apologize? I apologize. And you know if there are bodily functions you do it. You do it. I don't I don't
Starting point is 00:12:04 think that's rude. Not at all. Yeah. I do it. I don't think that's rude. Not at all. Yeah. I like it. I like your little crew here. It's very nice. It's very nice. I like these people.
Starting point is 00:12:12 You know, people ask me all the time, they say to me, Conan, you know everyone in the business when I say thank you. And then they say, Larry David, is he exactly like he is on Kribbger Enthusiasm? And I say, yes, he is. You are exactly like that guy. You would claim that you're not quite that guy. But the times I've hung out with you at parties, I feel there might as well be a camera recording this for HBO.
Starting point is 00:12:38 You are the same guy. You know, I take that as a tremendous compliment. Yes, because I got to tell you something. I love that as a tremendous compliment. Yes, you should. Because I gotta tell you something, I love that guy. That guy. Oh my God, I am so in love with that guy. He's my hero. Yeah, he should be.
Starting point is 00:13:00 It must be nice though, because you've carved that out for yourself. And then if people encounter you in real life, you don't have to in any way contort yourself to please them. Yes. You can tell them, I don't feel like taking a selfie. It's not really what I want to do right now.
Starting point is 00:13:15 And they must love it. And they laugh. And they laugh. Except a couple of weeks ago, I got invited to a dinner party. And, you know, 10, 5, 10 years ago, I would have gone, okay, yeah, okay, sounds good, what's the address? And now, this time, I said, who's coming? Oh, yeah, did not go over well.
Starting point is 00:13:41 The person was offended? The person seemed to have been a little offended. And I wound up not going. Yeah. Wow. So there you go. So there you go. So I did, I tried to be Larry and it didn't work.
Starting point is 00:13:57 But by the way, as long as I'm on the subject, is it such a terrible question to ask who's going to, why is it such a secret? Why is that a secret? I don't understand the big secret. You can't say who's going. Why? I don't get it. Yes.
Starting point is 00:14:17 I think you were within your rights to ask who's going. Thank you, thank you. Because you want to find out, also I'm imagining you have enemies. Thank you. Because you want to find out, also, I'm imagining you have enemies. And you want to make sure you're not walking into a party. I just made four more as I walked into the building. But you want to make sure you want to know.
Starting point is 00:14:36 Yeah, yeah, I want to know. It's like a mobster who's going to a restaurant wants to know how many ways are they're in. If there's if I'm attacked, is there a way out? Yeah, exactly. Because a lot of times, honestly, you'll be invited to these dinner parties and you find yourself sitting next to some insurance salesman and you know, you're there the whole two and a half hours sitting next to him or her, whatever. Yeah, it's not comfortable. Let me ask you a question and you, I want you to you to be honest. You came to my house not long ago.
Starting point is 00:15:07 You didn't know who was gonna be there. Were you pleased or were you not pleased? And you can tell me. Well. Were there enough celebrities to make you comfortable? Were there two, did you feel that it was a good environment, a good ecosystem for you? I need like three comedians and I'm fine. Right.
Starting point is 00:15:25 Do I count as a comedian? Oh, Conan. Conan. Conan. Poor Conan. Oh, Conan, dude. Poor, dude. It's just sad.
Starting point is 00:15:34 You're so sad. Don't do this to him. Oh, my. Yes, Conan. Thank you. Well, I wasn't sure. You know, you seemed happy. You seemed pleased. But then at one point. Comedians, comedy writers, you. You can. Well, I wasn't sure. You know, you seemed happy. You seemed pleased.
Starting point is 00:15:46 But then at one point- Comedians comedy writers, you know, either one. Yes, but at one point I noticed that you had retreated to a separate area and you were just observing. You were eating your food and you were just observing other people. Well- As if you were looking at birds.
Starting point is 00:16:02 You know? And you were doing little sketches. And I wondered if that's normal behavior for you. Well, I birds, you know, and you're doing little sketches. And I wondered if that's normal behavior for you. Well, I'll tell you what, I don't like sitting with a plate on my lap, okay? Right. And I saw there was a counter, there were stools in front of the counter, and I thought this would be a good spot to plant myself. And so I planted, and it turned out to be a great spot,
Starting point is 00:16:24 because when people come over, this is what I do at parties by the way, I always sit. You can't be in the middle of a room making small talk and then you're going, your brain is racing, you know? Oh my God. Oh my God, I'm out. I can't. I got nothing.
Starting point is 00:16:43 I got nothing. What, what? The bathroom? Do I have to go to the bathroom? Do I have to get a drink? Or, I know, I'll do TV Larry. I'll do TV Larry. All right, well, it's been nice talking to you.
Starting point is 00:17:03 And then you move on. Right. I think people know now that you can't have interminable conversations. They can't go on forever. There's got to be an out. There's got to be an out. You know what? You're on a podcast right now. How long is this going to go? This is our special five hour salute. No, but it's not. It's a special five hour salute to Larry David. But I think I think I have an idea for parties. I have an idea for parties. You have a party sheriff. Okay He's in a chair above the party he's overseeing the party. Yep like like a lifeguard. Like a lifeguard. Or he's in another room on video.
Starting point is 00:17:47 Yeah. And he's got cameras on every body. Like a pit boss. Yeah, like a pit boss. And he's seeing the conversations. He's looking at him. He's seeing how it's going. He's looking at the body language.
Starting point is 00:17:57 He's timing conversations. And then he sees that somebody's in trouble. And he goes, OK, all right, I gotta go. He goes down. He takes the version by the arm, he goes, excuse me, this is over. This is brilliant, this is brilliant. I have to have this, I have to have this.
Starting point is 00:18:18 I mean, this is a great idea. It's brilliant. It's fantastic. Thank you. I love that idea. I think we've all been there. He doesn't even pretend to take, hey, I need to talk to you about something.
Starting point is 00:18:28 No, no, no, no. No, everybody's aware. Also, does he flash a badge? Yeah. Does he put up a badge and say this is over? This is over. Everybody's aware there's a sheriff. There's a, you know, there's somebody overseeing,
Starting point is 00:18:41 overseeing the party. By the way, I think I'd be a good one. You'd be great. I'd like to volunteer. I definitely could do that job, a party sharp for sure. All right, I think, you know, I want you to do it for me. I'm gonna set up cameras. Okay.
Starting point is 00:18:54 Because I am a good host. I mingle, you probably saw, I mingle a lot. I get to everyone. I didn't get that. I got like 13 seconds for me. Because I knew that you were fine. That I was fine, yeah. I don't worry about you,
Starting point is 00:19:07 and then there are other people I worry about. Of course, of course. You know, so I probably short-tripted you. You didn't get the full conan, which is I'm told magnificent. I felt a little on the shripty side. Yeah. There was some shriveness present. Yes. Mike Sweeney is working downstairs. Mike Sweeney worked in the comedy clubs with you. And Mike Sweeney has been with me for almost 30 years, I think. Not working, he just hangs around. But he's a terrific, incredible writer.
Starting point is 00:19:46 He's been with me forever. But he loves to talk about you in the clubs and what you were like as a standup. I was very young. I was a young man. One of my favorite stories that he tells, and I don't want to mistell it, is that you apparently had a joke that you would do
Starting point is 00:20:03 at the top of your set. Which, and you would tell the other comics, if the crowd goes for this, I know that it's my crowd and I'll continue. And then if they don't go for this, I'll know that it's not going to go well. And the joke was, I was the two form. I did that on the curb special. Yep. Basically I'd go up, I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say.
Starting point is 00:20:29 I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say.
Starting point is 00:20:36 I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say.
Starting point is 00:20:43 I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd say. I'd that. I like the joke. You know, you seem like a very good audience tonight. I'm wondering May I use the two form with you people because I feel I feel very kind of close to you I feel like I know you do you mind if I jump into the two form and If I got laughs I would continue yeah, go, you know Caesar used the two form with Brutus even after Brutus stabbed He said that to Brutus I think at that, if somebody's trying to kill you, you don't have to be that familiar with them. So I would throw that out.
Starting point is 00:21:32 And Sweeney said that other comedians would all come out and they would watch because they were so fascinated to see what would happen. And their favorite thing was if the crowd didn't go for it. You became enraged. Hey, you started berating them. Oh, I guess you people didn't Spanish your French in high school. You know, there's a familiar two-form in know, if it's kind of formal. But if you're friends with a person, then you use the two form. Imagine you're being yelled at.
Starting point is 00:22:13 Cause you, uh, you and I have talked a little bit about, cause I worked at Saturday Night Live, you were, had worked there earlier and you were very principled about doing things your way. I know what SNL, it wasn't a good fit for you. Yeah, I didn't get one, oh, I got one sketch on that wonderful 1250 spot. My favorite, that's the sweet spot, 1250. Yeah, that's where I used to hang out.
Starting point is 00:22:40 I love that. Yes, I had one sketch on the whole year. At one point, you just became angry and quit. Yes, I had one sketch on the whole year. At one point you just became angry and quit. Yes. And then famously showed up a couple of days later. I pretended the whole thing never happened. Yeah. Which became a, became a Seinfeld episode.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, I was computing how much money I had. I cost myself enough money to live on for two years for me. And I go, oh boy, what an idiot. That was so stupid. Because I really had like a hissy fit. I went up to Dick Ebersol and I said, this show stinks.
Starting point is 00:23:18 This is right before air. This is like week number six. And I had been cut every week. and I went up to him and he had the headphones on. The headset on and I went, this yo stinks! It's a piece of shit! I'm done! I'm done here!
Starting point is 00:23:39 And then you just came back. Now maybe because he had the headset on, he couldn't hear you. Maybe, yeah. Yeah, no, I came back and pretended it never happened. And it worked. I think you did that a few times, Sona. I think there was a couple, because Sona was my assistant and there were several times where I think you told me to fuck off. I've stormed off I've stormed off a lot. I've come in the next day and you'd be eating zanku chicken at your desk
Starting point is 00:24:11 And watching the bachelor. Yeah, and you you completely just didn't even mention. What are you gonna do? Yeah, what are you gonna do? I'm surprised it didn't really catch on throughout the country, you know that uh, after I told the story Yeah, hey, this is a way I could tell off my boss and then come back and keep my job. I would think because of the shows you've worked on or created Seinfeld and then Kerb, those are shows where everybody thinks they have a good episode. Anybody can come up to you and say, you know, when you're at the gas station and you go to clean, but there's no towel there to wipe off the squeegee. And I think that's a thing that happens to everybody and shouldn't that happen to Larry.
Starting point is 00:24:50 And you have to, what do you do? Because you must get that constantly. I go, let me stop you right there. I'll let you meet the pitch sheriff. There should be a pitch sheriff too. There should be a pinch there of tears. I go, let me stop you right there. I'm not the writer's guild for business to hear ideas from other people. So I'm sorry. I'm sure it's a great idea, but I can't hear it.
Starting point is 00:25:18 And does that work? No, it works. It's pretty good. What doesn't work? The pictures, because you're in the street. Hey, there's a fan wanting to take a picture. And so I thought, I tried something new. And I said, you know what?
Starting point is 00:25:40 I can't take pictures outside. Wait, what? What's like a vampire? Yeah. I said, you know, there's people, I can't take pictures outside. And then when I was inside, I would say to people, you know what?
Starting point is 00:25:53 I can't take pictures inside. And how's that working for you? You know, it started out okay. And then I sort of couldn't get through without laughing. So. So. So. So.
Starting point is 00:26:09 So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So.
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Starting point is 00:26:23 So. So. So. So. So. So. So. So. There's something about your past that doesn't make sense. There's a lot of things that do make sense, but I didn't know that you were in the US Army Reserve. And I cannot imagine you in any situation where people are telling you, this is how you must behave and this is what's required. Yeah, it really tough. I just can't imagine you falling into line.
Starting point is 00:26:44 You did that for a couple of years, right? Yeah, I was in the reserves to avoid going to Vietnam. I'm kind of old. Oh yeah. Yeah, no, I know. I know. We'll bring that up second. That's my next question.
Starting point is 00:26:56 You seem very old to me. That's my next question, which isn't even a question. Yeah, nice. I'm realizing none of these are questions. These are just statements. Yeah, so I was in the reserves to avoid Vietnam and I was in it. I went to basic training. I had occupational specialty school. I was a petroleum storage specialist, by the way. Oh, there you go. Yeah. So then I had to go to meetings once a month for the next six years. And to go to the meetings were near my parents' apartment
Starting point is 00:27:31 in Brooklyn, and I was living in Manhattan. So once a month I would go home and I had a big, I think the word was at the time, Jew fro. Now you have that's now. Wait, Do I tally this? No, no, no. That's he has one anti-submitted comment to my 2.5. The score is 1 to 2.0.
Starting point is 00:27:54 This is anybody's game. Wow. I'm excited. I can't believe we're competing. I got this now. I want this. So anyway, I would stay with my parents for the weekend and I had a wig and I would wear the wig and I was doing this once a month and then in the summer there was a summer camp that you had to go away for two weeks.
Starting point is 00:28:15 So all these guys were in my unit and then I heard about a psychiatrist who was writing letters for like $250. And so I went to see him and I talked him for, you know, 45 minutes and he wrote me up this letter and the letter basically said that I was crazy. And I took the letter and this is I'm in for two years now. So I know all these people imagine coming to work and acting insane. Yeah, which is what I did. I had the letter. Where's the major? Where's the major? I need to talk to the major. Did it work? I saw friends. These are friends of mine. I socialize with these people.
Starting point is 00:29:06 I see them all huddled together, pointing and looking. What's he doing? What's with David? Look at him. And then I went to see the major. And the major was reading the letter. And he's talking to me. And I'm answering his questions. And after five minutes, he says to me,
Starting point is 00:29:27 can you drive home? Oh my God. And I swear I said this line way before Dustin Hoffman said it in that movie, I said, oh yeah, I'm a good driver. I'm a good driver. And that was it. And I got out. Good for you.
Starting point is 00:29:45 Yeah. You still have that letter? You must. I don't think I do. I'm kind of, we'll find it. Yeah. I have to say tremendous performance on my part. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:55 Tremendous. I can tell. In here it was spectacular. Yeah. It's really good. Good lighting and everything. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:01 The job I can imagine you having, which you did, was your limo driver. I don't know if you ever did this, but this has happened to me many times. I go to the airport and I get picked up and my wife and I are in the back and we're chatting. And then out of nowhere, the driver says, well, I have a cream for that. You know, they've clearly been listening. It's like your phone when it knows you've been talking about maybe I should go buy a new camping tent and then your phone suddenly suggests, you've been talking about, maybe I'll get a, maybe I should go buy a new camping tent. And then your phone suddenly suggests, you know,
Starting point is 00:30:27 REI is just a block and a half way. And it's this eerie feeling. Right, right. Were you a listener? Would you listen in and interject? Their conversations really weren't interesting enough. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:37 Uh, she was an old woman. She was practically blind. I think she could see a little bit. Right. And I took complete advantage of her. Oh. Because she couldn't see. She didn't know if the car was filthy or not.
Starting point is 00:30:50 And it was filthy. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Spotless. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, always means not true. That's a giveaway. And she said to me, you got your hat on? Yeah. Cause I had the chauffeur's cap. Sure. Yeah. I said, yeah, yeah, I got the cap on. Yeah, I got the cap on.
Starting point is 00:31:14 And then, and then, and then one of her, one of her friends squealed on me. Who would do that? She saw the car, the condition of the car. It was a Datsun. She saw the half filthy car once and she squealed on me. And that was it, I got fired. Yeah. You know that you studied history
Starting point is 00:31:47 because I studied history, I love history. I don't know how it's come into it, but it's felt like it's helped me a million times. You mean history major? Yeah. And it's been like a lifelong passion of mine, but I read history and then I feel like that fills up my comedy well somehow.
Starting point is 00:32:02 I don't know how, I can't explain it. I completely agree with you. I'm really happy that I made it in history and not communications or any of that stuff. You know, people, like if they wanna be an actor or they are a comedian, they take it so seriously. Like they're a, there's no class. You can't, there's nothing to learn.
Starting point is 00:32:22 Either you can do it or you can't, I think, right? That's mostly how I come down on it. I think you can improve, you can hone your skills. Yeah, because you're doing it, you're practicing. 90% of what I do, I was doing around my kitchen table in a big family in Boston or with my friends. And then it's just been heightened and indulged by enablers all around me.
Starting point is 00:32:49 But it does feel to me like that's most of it. Yeah, I guess I would never want to be in a comedy class to hear those forced laughs. I'd rather just go up on the stage and do it. You know, those people that they're just gonna be forcing their left, you know, like everybody. Yeah. And I gotta say, I don't even mind it.
Starting point is 00:33:11 I can already tell the difference. They're very good. In fact, I'm reversing my old opinion on this. Yeah. They're very good. Yeah, they're very good. Really, you guys are the best fake laughers I've ever been around.
Starting point is 00:33:23 I don't know how you avoid that because there's a lot of at sitcom table reads and sketch comedy table reads. I think I was lucky because all the years I was doing late night, we were pretty brutally honest about things. And people were very happy to tell me they thought that something I was thought of wasn't a good idea.
Starting point is 00:33:44 They really enjoyed that. And then every now and then I would see, I would visit someone who was working on a sitcom and I would see, they're reading the script for like the fifth time. You've seen this phenomenon. I doubt it happened at Seinfeld because whatever you were doing there was right. But there's this phenomenon where you're being a good person and a good sport, and you're helping grease the wheels for the whole project. Like you're being a good member of the Communist Party
Starting point is 00:34:09 if you laugh. Right. And so it's the fifth time a script is being read and people are like, ah! Ah! Ah! You know, and I found it really upsetting
Starting point is 00:34:22 for lack of a better word. Honestly, I don't think we ever did. I'm a modest fellow, you know that. I'm not a- It says it on your jacket. I'm not a braggart. No, no. There's no braggadocio.
Starting point is 00:34:37 No, I don't go on about myself. Not at all. But I don't think we ever did a second read through. We did the one read through and if it didn't work, we would fix it, and then we wouldn't have another one. We'd just do the show. So I really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Yeah, there you go.
Starting point is 00:34:55 Well, do you know what I'm talking about outside of the projects you've worked on? Have you seen this phenomenon? Absolutely, absolutely, yeah. No, the, yeah, you're right. You're not, you're not, you're not helping the project by laughing. Right. But what do you do in situations? I'm sure this has happened to you tons of times where you'll be given a friend will give you a script. Yeah. And then what you have to, of course,
Starting point is 00:35:21 you have to read it. And then if it's not any good, well, what do you do? You say, I can't read a script indoors. Well, we'll step outside. And today isn't a good day to step outside. Well, it's difficult sometimes to come up with exactly the right wording for it. That's why texting is good, because you can do a few drafts until you get it right, I think. Rather than running into on the street, hey, did you read it?
Starting point is 00:35:51 Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's fantastic, yeah. I don't know. I can usually find constructive criticism that I can make about something, but I wouldn't be able to say like, well, this just isn't funny.
Starting point is 00:36:05 No, you can't say that. I can't say that, because that's not, how does that help the person in any way? But also sometimes you're given something to see or read after it's already locked and there's nothing you can do. Nothing you can do. Nothing you can do. So you have to go, oh yeah, this is great.
Starting point is 00:36:18 What are you gonna do? Right. So you gotta lie. Right. I've been in a few screenings with you. Yeah. When I've been together and one of the things we're screened before and it's been interesting to watch you, you always have... Oh, yeah. I think I know what you're referring to.
Starting point is 00:36:32 You're very good. Very, very good. Maybe we could do without mentioning... Well, I think we can. I love this story, but you go and see a lot of things. I go and see a lot of things. There've been a couple of times where I've seen something screened and you've been in the room. And we saw one thing, it was very long.
Starting point is 00:36:53 It was a studio movie. Yeah, studio movie. It was very long. And so we see this final cut of this big budget studio movie when we're both there. And there was someone there taking questions and who worked for the studio and they wanted feedback. And I'm eager.
Starting point is 00:37:11 I always think I don't want to look like a dick. I don't want them to see who I really am. So I will, you know, what am I going to do? And man, this is getting late and I really want to get out of here. And you did this thing where the thing ends, lights come up, and you immediately shot your hand up and you said... No, wait, but there were a couple of questions before I did that.
Starting point is 00:37:33 Yes, one or two questions. You shot your hand up and you said, I have one question and then I've got to go. And as you asked a quick question, and as you were asking it, you were putting your down jacket on. You put your down, and so you said, I've got one question, and then I have to go, and I'm looking at you.
Starting point is 00:37:54 And I looked at him, we made eye contact. We made eye contact. And I saw the admiration and envy. Okay, okay, so anyway. So anyway, so anyway, the studio person's answering the question as you leave and you go, I think you're right. I think that's a good point.
Starting point is 00:38:12 And you're like, bye. And you left. I was there for another 45 minutes while people were saying, when the aliens come to the other planet, it wasn't quite clear. And so you might want to in post. And so I leave and the next morning I wake up
Starting point is 00:38:29 and my phone is right by my bed. And I turned it on and there's a text from Larry and it says, quote, I have one question and then I have to go, quote. And then it says, how fucking genius was that? Exclamation point. Question mark. And then it says, you must have been so jealous.
Starting point is 00:38:53 So the next morning you knew, you went to bed that night with your covers tucked under your chin thinking, I made O'Brien, I left him in the dirt. I have to say. It was such a proud moment for you. Yeah, I was O'Brien, I left him in the dirt. I have to say. It was such a proud moment for you. I was so thrilled with it because it was so brilliant. Yeah, it was just such a great move. Boy, sometimes it's like writing.
Starting point is 00:39:16 Sometimes you're in a corner, right? Yes. And you have to write yourself out of this. Yes, yeah. And that's what happened. Yeah, and I think it made it feel all the sweeter that I had to stay late. I think that you have to admit
Starting point is 00:39:29 that was the cherry on the Sunday. That was the cherry on the Sunday. Yeah. Yeah, that was great. It wouldn't have been nearly as satisfying if you weren't there. You are wrapping up curb. This is the last season.
Starting point is 00:39:39 Oh, oh yeah. Is this news to you? Oh, oh yeah. Oh boy. You're regretting it? You can always, you can come back and take, you can just pretend you never told them. This is the last. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:54 You should do a whole last season salute. Get all the love, get all that love gravy, all of that. This was a benchmark show. What a landmark, you know, what I changed everything. And then come back and do another three more seasons. You're really great on the callbacks, by the way. I think this is your second or third. It's my ninth.
Starting point is 00:40:14 Yeah, it's your ninth. Yeah. It's great. One of the things that, because my son really got into Curve and we started watching them again. And I thought intentional, not intentional, but your style of comedy, it so fits younger people today. Things are played very real. I could talk to probably like a 15 year old
Starting point is 00:40:33 who would say, I love that show. The multicam started in such an old format. It started in like the early 50s, right? So I love Lucy, Desi Lou. We went all the way to the, I guess there's still shows like that, but this show's improvised. And I think that lends a sense of reality
Starting point is 00:40:53 and spontaneity to it. That the young people enjoy. Well, I think there's also, I can remember when I was growing up, I accepted it, but I'm still, I watching happy days and a character enters. There's massive applause and the fawns has to wait for the and we just accepted that well that Kramer used to get applause when he would enter. That's right. That's right. And so everybody
Starting point is 00:41:20 would wait and then he would start talking. And then finally, I think we have to tell the audience not to applaud when he came in and we put a stop to it. But no one else would put a stop to that. What I'm saying is that was so encouraged that he got to a point in the 70s and 80s on sitcoms where characters would come in with important information. Like, you know, the tests are back and it's fatal. And the character would come rushing in and people go like,
Starting point is 00:41:50 whoa, look, it stopped your cuckoo. And occasionally, and you'd see those characters would have to kind of nod and look out. And then, by the way, the tests are back. It's cancer of the sp display and you will not survive. You know, this is madness, but we just, there's the things that we, I think I knew on some level this isn't good,
Starting point is 00:42:13 even when I was a kid, but. Also there are scenes that are outside and there's an audience laughing. Yeah, yeah. Where's the audience? Where are they? What are they on the corner? It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:42:28 There's such an emphasis on jokes, jokes, jokes. And I knew that because really the only show like that that I had worked on was The Simpsons. We worked so hard on jokes, having to be just going over and over and over to get the best jokes. And then you find that, and I love that format and I love working on that show and think it's brilliant, but on your show, what I loved, it's that old Jack Benny thing, the biggest laugh can be on a reaction. The other thing, well, it's nice of you to say,
Starting point is 00:42:58 I think it's the first compliment you've ever given to me and our relationship. So it really, it means so much to me. So much to me. Is it the first? I think it is the first. And thank you, I thank you from the bottom of my, of my, whatever this is.
Starting point is 00:43:16 I'm told. I'm told I have a, you're like the Grinch now. I know. I know. I know. I know. Are you listening to Whoville? Whoville. The Larry Davis.
Starting point is 00:43:29 The thing about the three camera show, yes, the jokes. Tons of jokes, they're coming at you one after another. There are people in rooms, there are writers in these rooms till three o'clock in the morning, punching up scripts, joke after joke after joke, and they tell the joke, and the character says the joke, and nobody ever laughs. Nobody ever laughs in these shows, which is odd,
Starting point is 00:43:52 because if these things are so funny, how come nobody ever laughs? Right. Well, they don't laugh because laughing is the hardest thing to act, I think, and be real. That and drunk. I've always been told, yeah, being drunk is... I don't know.
Starting point is 00:44:07 I don't know. Okay, sorry. I gotta get the fuck out of here. Sorry, I just wanted to tell you that you weren't quite right. Is it a big surprise who's on the final season? Is it a surprise? Oh, wait a second, wait a second.
Starting point is 00:44:24 Have I been sitting here this whole time? Have we not acknowledged that this man, this man right here? Conan. Thanks. Thank you. This guy is in the show. Really? Yes. He's a guest star. I might be one of the reasons it's the final season. He's gonna tape in the bottom of the barrel, huh? And he gave me a compliment before.
Starting point is 00:44:55 And I know you think, oh, well, he gave me a compliment. Now I'm gonna return the compliment. He was so, so. Yeah. No, it was great. It was great. We had a great time. He was, you were very good, and thank you for doing it.
Starting point is 00:45:11 Well, I was compensated. It's the only reason I'm here today, actually. Yeah, it's a tit for tat. And I had to do the tat. He did the tat. I did the tat. And I had to do the tat. Yeah, I always do the tat. You always do the tat. Yeah, and I don't like being a had to do the tat. He did the tat and I had to do the tat. Yeah, I always do the tat.
Starting point is 00:45:26 You always do the tat. Yeah, and I don't like being a tat by the way. You should. It's uncomfortable being a tat. I'd rather be the tat. Yeah. That's just stupid. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Yeah. Let's take that out of context. I am enraged because we talked to fans on this show and I did talk to a fan. Oh, yeah. And this really stuck in my craw. And I think I've mentioned this to you, but I need to bring it up here in this forum. A young woman who's a big fan of mine and she was talking about, you know, she's unlucky in love, she's looking for the right kind of guy and she wants someone who's funny, she wants this,
Starting point is 00:46:03 she wants that. And I said, what kind of person you look for? And she said, well, you'd be really good, but you're too old. And I went, okay, that's, you know, this woman's in her 30s and I'm 60. And I said, I completely understand that. And she said, but Larry David, I like Larry David.
Starting point is 00:46:20 And I became a wild beast. I started shouting at her. What are you talking about? I said, Larry David could have technically driven me home from the hospital as a baby. I think he's 15 to 16 years older than me. And I couldn't shake it. She was like, no, you're too old. But the ladies like their Larry David.
Starting point is 00:46:41 I hear that all the time. The schwa de vie. All right, I won't even try to explain it, but it has been an honor to have you here. I say that knowing that you'll make a face, but just an absolute thrill to talk to you. And it was a big deal for me to get to be in that episode. So because like everyone, I adore your work. So there you go. And then on a nice note,
Starting point is 00:47:12 there's nothing you can do about it. Well, I had a wonderful time. I want you to do my eulogy. I had like a first date. A peck on the cheek. I date. A peck on the cheek. I might get a peck on the cheek. I had a wonderful time and honestly, I hope we can do it again. Ask him upstairs.
Starting point is 00:47:36 Ask him upstairs. We will never see this man again. That's one of the old times. You'll never see him again. Yeah. Thank you. This'll never see him again. Yeah. Thank you. This was great. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:47:47 This is a special segment. It is because we are joined by my wife, Liza Powell O'Brien. And everyone far prefers Liza to me. That is pretty much true, right? Oh, so true. And I'm tired of it. So we're gonna... What are you gonna do?
Starting point is 00:48:13 Oh, I'm gonna cut this one down to size. You brought her on the park has to do this. Yeah. How are you betrothed? I feel like if I was around everyone as much as you're around them, they would, the balance would shift back. No, no Absolutely not I don't know you but I know him
Starting point is 00:48:35 But I don't I chose him so That's true of all the men in the world you chose this one they were all You're disposed of everyone. this one. They were all at my disposal. They were all your disposal. Everyone on the picture. Matt Damon, they were all lined up. Matt Damon. I don't know, it just. And I'm thinking of him, of course, from Team America.
Starting point is 00:48:55 I'm Matt Damon. Anyway, let's pull this thing together because Liza likes to spend as little time with me as possible and so the fact that she's here means there's a reason. And I am very proud of the fact there are many things you do that I'm very proud of, but your tolerance for me is a great source of pride.
Starting point is 00:49:14 But you have made this podcast that I think is stunningly good. I love it. And I'm not just saying that. Many people really like this podcast. It's called Significant Others. And we thought this was a good time to talk about it because it's Valentine's Day.
Starting point is 00:49:32 You're so in love with me. I do appreciate being recognized for that. It's your greatest achievement, is your love for me. It confuses everyone. No, and your podcast though, I wouldn't describe it as a romantic podcast, but it is about couples dynamics, significant others, how they, sometimes it's a husband and wife.
Starting point is 00:49:55 These are famous couples, sometimes it could be a father, daughter, there's a power dynamic and how that all works. Sometimes positively, sometimes negatively, often positively positively and negatively is that a fair description? Yeah, it is I think you're right that it's not romance is not at all part of I mean sometimes there are romantic stories But mostly their stories of sort of complicated partnerships. Yeah, which spoke to me. I don't know why Which spoke to me. I don't know why Well, it's so funny because you often contrast your podcast with mine ours is is seed of the pants
Starting point is 00:50:39 Absolute nonsense. I'm always seeing her pretty much in her study in her small study Crafting these episodes you get very cool people to do the voices you also use a bunch of people here at team Coco I do you really make these things beautifully and Then I'm also a little put off that you have a fantastic Podcast voice that is far superior to mine. I don't know why I I'm the one Doing the podcast first because your voice is so terrific. Well, that's nice. Thank you. Season one, I love. Season two is premiering. I haven't heard a bunch of these yet, and I know that you've been working on them. But I, for example, Jenny and Carl Marx, Carl Marx's wife, and what their relationship was like. And because you were doing all this research,
Starting point is 00:51:19 when you were done with one of the books, I read it, I had never read a book about Carl Marx and his relationship with his wife, Jenny. But that's a husband and wife team where you can really see how as a couple they worked with each other. Then there are other teams like Billy Strayhorn and Duke Ellington. Billy Strayhorn, Duke Ellington was,
Starting point is 00:51:39 I think has been referred to as the first grade American composer. He was just unbelievably talented. And forget the fact that he was violently discriminated against his entire life. But even outside of that, his accomplishments are spectacular. So he kind of had this empire, almost, of music. And he had all of these different versions he had different versions of his band and
Starting point is 00:52:05 he was touring all the time and kind of stretching himself really thin. And he met this kid named Billy Strayhorn who was 21, who had wanted to, I don't want to give the whole story away, but he had wanted to be a concert pianist and he was a prodigy, he was incredibly gifted, used to play the piano in the, he and his family lived in a boarding house and the prostitutes who lived next door had a piano and he would go play on that and earned enough money when he was quite young to buy himself piano lessons. Anyway, so he got into this conservatory in Philadelphia and his dream was to be a concert pianist
Starting point is 00:52:54 and he was basically told, you can't because you're black. So he was looking for other ways to express his musical abilities. Anyway, he auditioned kind of for Duke Ellington and Ellington and Ellington was like, oh, this guy is special. What Strayhorn could do was he could play in the style of anyone. So he could play in the style of Duke Ellington and then became his
Starting point is 00:53:15 sort of stand in his band leader, his collaborator. He wrote a ton of music for him, including the anthem that I think most people think of when they think of Duke Ellington, which is Take the A train. That was actually a great story. Which I won't tell you here. That's just amazing, iconic. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:31 So anyway, and he was, he was gay and he was very determined to live openly. And so he was- Which at that time is unheard of. It was, it wasn't entirely unheard of, but it made it very difficult for him to be a star in his own right, because that was still a disadvantage.
Starting point is 00:53:49 So anyway, so that's a really interesting story. That's a great, I mean, what's interesting is, I'll often know one of the names, but not both. Benedict Arnold, I know that name. You did Benedict Arnold and Peggy Shippen. I had heard a little bit about Peggy Shippen. That's a fascinating story, how those two work together in positive, negative ways. I love that you cast as Benedict Arnold, you cast Andy Richter, which resonates with me
Starting point is 00:54:16 in so many ways. I think complicated is the word that comes up a lot. The series opens up so many different great ideas about how people help each other, also can get in the way, and how it's a lot. The series opens up so many different great ideas about how people help each other, also can get in the way, and how it's a dynamic. Yeah. I mean, we talk a lot about how there's some piece of ancient wisdom that talks about how everything's basically dependent on how you frame it. So I think these stories are all about that kind of, this is the worst matchup ever, although they did help each other in this way.
Starting point is 00:54:48 Right, right. I just think that makes it more interesting and more true. I think it's really human to want things to be simple. And I think there's a lot of oversimplification that happens all the time, especially now. And this kind of doesn't allow for that. These stories allow for a complicated narrative,
Starting point is 00:55:07 but you listen to them and they're great stories. And I come away and I sort of want to, I always want to know more about the Nietzsche one. That's such a great one. Elizabeth Forstner Nietzsche and Friedrich Nietzsche and... A lot of this I owe to the books that I do read that you know, there's usually some take by the author that's really helpful. And the one that I really appreciated with that was that,
Starting point is 00:55:32 you know, his big thing was all about this will to power that like you're supposed to will yourself into the best version of yourself that you can be. And she really embodied that in a way that was terrifying. And she was incredibly ambitious. And he's been misunderstood a lot, I think, and I'm not claiming to be the one who understands him best at all. But he was anti-nationalist. He didn't believe in statehood. He had lived through war and thought it was abhorrent. And he, you know, his sister marries an anti-Semite who's trying to found a pure racist colony in Paraguay. He thinks that's disgusting. He stopped speaking to them. And then by the end of his life, he was so incapacitated that she finagled the way to become his caretaker, his mind, or his power of attorney, all of that. And used him kind of as a prop that she would walk people
Starting point is 00:56:28 past and she was hanging out with fascists and hit with a game to her funeral. This is what you're gonna do to me. Oh, I cannot wait, picking up so many good pointers. So many tips. I plan on becoming incapacitated and I know Liza's just gonna- Becoming. Wow. More incapacitated. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:56:46 But what I'm saying is, I don't always ask you to carry me to the toilet. But- You don't always ask. And I don't always ask. Sometimes I should. Anyway, we got off track. My point is, I love your podcast.
Starting point is 00:57:03 And I'm not saying it because you're making me, which you did. No, she's got a gun. That begs the question, season 12 Conan and Liza episode? Yeah. That episode, well, that's the one where I'm in a wheelchair and capacitated. This is months from now.
Starting point is 00:57:21 And Liza's bringing people by and she's promoting me as a great nationalist figure Those great aphorisms that you've Yes, they're usually involved nonsense words. Don't be a jibble when you can bebble. Yeah, I Be who I be there was a big refrain last night. It was a lot of I be who I be there was a big refrain last night. It was a lot of I be who I be No one needs to know about our private life. I You try singing that to the game of Thrones. Yeah, we were rewatching game of Thrones and I insist on singing loudly My own lyrics which is I be who I be and I be and lies is like you've got and my son
Starting point is 00:58:02 It's like if you do that again, we're not fucking watching this. That's the significant other. And then, I be who I be, be. So now they don't even watch the openings anymore as beautiful as they are. We watch it for the nudity. Anyway, I'm a ruiner. You're a ruiner.
Starting point is 00:58:21 But anyway, I love that you've gotten everyone at Team Cocoa. Oh my God, we'd be lost without everybody's care. Gourly, Adam, Blay, Eduardo, Hopping, Erica Brown, Haze, Chills. They've all read lines for the episodes. Erica Brown, no. Yes. Really? Yes.
Starting point is 00:58:37 You got Erica Brown on a microphone? And she refuses to do a microphone, but she does it because she likes Liza. Oh my God. I don't think I can ever ask her for anything again. I think I used up all of my credit with her for the rest of time. Oh my God! I don't think I can ever ask her for anything again. I think I used up all of my credit with her for the rest of time. Oh my God. Also, she did not enjoy the experience,
Starting point is 00:58:51 but she sounds great. Yeah. Ted Danson was here recording something and. Nicest man I've ever met. Well, he's right up there with me. Nice tall drink of water too. I'm tall too. Easy on the eyes.
Starting point is 00:59:02 Me too. Yeah, I know. He's still got it. I was on television for a long time. Oh God. Yeah, I know. He's still got it. Was on television for a long time. Yeah. Both of us know what it's like. Me, Tom, Ben, cool. Yep, friendly.
Starting point is 00:59:09 Just the coolest guy. I'm a good bartender. Anyway. What? That was on Cheers, I know I was. Anyway, you got him helping out. It's just great. I'm very excited about it.
Starting point is 00:59:23 It premieres on Valentine's Day, and it's called Significant Others. And that is you. That is Liza Powell O'Brien. Is that another one of your iferisms? That is you. That is you. That is you, says I. That makes more sense than most of them, I have to say. That's what I would say. And so now, someday we'll do one about your Significant Other, TAC. About his love like karate and stuff
Starting point is 00:59:46 Are you a whole thing about Chernobyl? Are you gonna make it like a fake one? Why it's not my Sorry Story you texted me yesterday. Oh, that was great. Well, yeah, so he went on he's gonna hate me for saying this But he went on like an intensive karate weekend which they do do twice a year and it always is in different places. And this time it was in Pasadena, which is 10 minutes from our house. He takes it so seriously that instead of coming home and sleeping because there's no room in the gym, he slept in his car for two nights and in the middle of winter. To be close to the dojo.
Starting point is 01:00:21 To be close to where they were practicing. Oh, he's so having an affair. Yes. Oh, my God. Every time I tell Liza, I've got an intensive karate weekend, she knows I'm meeting Muriel on Catalina. You know what? It's actually... It's worse if he's not.
Starting point is 01:00:39 I know. I know, yeah. He is, though, because I've met all his karate friends. I mean, it's possible. I think I'd feel better if he was having an affair. See, I'm already thinking these are very beautifully crafted historical documents that you've made. They're really great. They're really great to listen to.
Starting point is 01:00:56 You walk away from each one learning more. Yes. But I do want you to take a break from that and do one about Sona and Tak. It's about him sleeping at his car and his quote, his quote karate weekend. Sorry, Tak. Just, and it's in there, and it's, you know, and it's in there with, you know, all these other great figures. It's in there with George Putnam and Amelia Earhart and Baird Rustin and Martin Luther King Jr.
Starting point is 01:01:18 George Orwell. Tak and Sona. Dolly. Tak and Sona. Yeah. Karate weekend. I know, but you know what? I did see his SUV. He had a whole setup in the back of his car. That's what I do when I go to Catalina to meet Muriel.
Starting point is 01:01:30 I put a bunch of Karate. Wait, how are you getting your car to... I own a C-plane. Okay, fine. I have two different sets of books. You've never... I have two accountants. You've never seen it.
Starting point is 01:01:42 Liza's not even angry. She just wants to know the logistics of how to do it. We have talked about this, which is, I've said to Liza, which is that, you know, if you ever found out that I was having an affair, wouldn't your first thought be to be kind of impressed at my time management skills? Because that's all I ever think about when I watch movies where someone's having an affair. I'm like, what? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:02 I couldn't keep all that straight. Yeah, it's true. I couldn't, what? Yeah. I couldn't keep all that straight. Yeah, it's true. It's a lot of work. I couldn't, yeah, all that. We are just- Barely hanging on with our very basic straight-forward vanilla. We are very committed to each other,
Starting point is 01:02:13 monogamous relationship, but we can barely- It's more than enough. We can barely keep it going, because you're just like, oh wait, who's picking up our son? Wait, but when are we going to the airport? There's all that stuff. Who's taking the dog to the, and then the idea.
Starting point is 01:02:25 Who threw out the mayonnaise. That was a big one the other day. Sounds funny guys. And also, I think it hadn't expired. But anyway, I wanted a tuna fish sandwich with mayo and suddenly there's no mayo. That didn't go well, but my significant other said, I'll make you some.
Starting point is 01:02:42 And she made me mayonnaise. She did. That's a win-win. Yes. And it was better than the regular mayonnaise. Wow. So anyway, that was a win-win. But this is riveting. I can't wait to hear about this on your episode. But wait a minute.
Starting point is 01:02:55 What I'm saying is if on top of all of that, I had to get on the sea plane to Catalina to meet Muriel and bring her the, you know, whatever the avocados she loves to eat. Who can keep track of all that shit? Very diverse, chastened women. Yes, that's good to say. Freaking girl. And you know what she's really unpleasant.
Starting point is 01:03:16 We got it, yeah. Why are you late? I had to, because I was doing a podcast where I was promoting last, why are you promoting hard podcasts? Why can't promoting hard podcasts? Why can't I have one? Hey, is that my avocado? Shom.
Starting point is 01:03:30 Then she's super old and there's nothing sexual about it. She is 82 years old. Oh, that's sweet. Yeah. She was a nurse in the Korean War. Anyway, as stupid as this podcast is, I'm sorry, life is up. I'm gonna say this, I'm so proud of you.
Starting point is 01:03:48 I love you, I'm so proud of you, and I think this is an incredible piece of work. So I'm excited about the new season, significant others. Wherever you get your podcast, season two premiering on Valentine's Day. Subscribe where you get your podcast. Conan O'Brien needs a friend, with Conan O'Brien, Sonam of Sessian and Mack Gourly, Subscribe where you get your podcast. Incidental music by Jimmy Vivino. Take it away, Jimmy. Our supervising producer is Aaron Blair, and our associate talent producer is Jennifer Samples. Engineering and mixing by Eduardo Perez and Brendan Burns. Additional production support by Mars Melnik.
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