Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend - Molly Shannon Returns

Episode Date: July 20, 2026

Actress Molly Shannon feels proud and cool to be Conan O’Brien’s friend.   Molly sits down with Conan once more to discuss her rule-breaking youth, creative ways to calm the brain, and her longtime friendship with Will Ferrell leading all the way up to their new Netflix series The Hawk. Plus, David Hopping reveals a disturbing corner of TikTok focusing on Conan’s Toy Story 5 character Smarty Pants.   For Conan videos, tour dates and more visit TeamCoco.com. Got a question for Conan? Call our voicemail: [phone]. Get access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using this show link: https://siriusxm.com/conan. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hi, my name is Molly Shannon, and I feel proud and cool to be Conan O'Brien's friend. Cool. No, you're not. I don't think I generate a cool vibe. Yes, you do. Really? Oh, yeah. Of course, I'm you kidding, the coolest.

Fall is here, hear the yell, back to school, ring the bell, brandy shoes, walking blues, climb the fence, books and pens I can tell that we are going to be friends I can tell that we are going to be friends Hey there, welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend I've joined by Sonam of Sessian

And of course, Mr. Gourley, how are you, sir? I'm well, how are you? I'm really good Although we did discover recently that the chair I'm in makes noises Yeah, it does. Are we going to oil this chair? What's going on?

I am not the person. Did we find out wrong with this chair? I'm actually, I will say, Jason Chlemmy and I are ahead of the game. We already switched that chair out for you. So this is a new chair that doesn't make noise. But I just interviewed a very famous celebrity. Yes. And while I was talking to him, I heard yes. We all thought it was a fun. It's not like a very old Jimmy Stewart at an auction. Oh, God. I can't buy that. But what was, what was going on? Who would allow a chair like that to even be in this room? Well, we're not exactly. We don't test the chair. We don't test the chair. every day beforehand.

This is why you didn't get that job at NASA. We don't test the rockets. That's why. We didn't test it. I mean, we kind of operate in this studio. We kind of operate on a, oh, when it breaks, then we fix it. Versus being ahead of the game. We kind of wait for something bad to happen.

I don't know. You just looped Eduardo into your failure. Oh, no. And that's not. No, no. I go by that. Yeah. Let's just make sure we have the proper equipment.

Everyone looked at the clock to see how much more time we have. have during this segment when I started speaking, by the way. Yeah. Oh, I do it to just mark when to rap. I wasn't making a judgment call. Blay, I like you and I appreciate it. I didn't look at it. I don't look at the clock.

I just look for something that I can hurt myself with. Just made it so awkward. Like we want you to just stop talking. But we tell you that. But everybody just looked at the clock. Literally you all look. As soon as I started speaking, everyone looked at the clock to cheat. No, they didn't.

I didn't. I didn't look at the clock. You did. You all looked over there. I do. This is on video. I'm the keeper of the time. That's my judge. job is nothing personal.

Okay. But now you've talked a lot. Okay. Yeah. Now I'm looking at the clock a lot. I apologize. Your chair is fixed. It's fixed.

But it did make a big noise and it was a big problem. Uh-huh. Another big problem that needs to be fixed right over there. I'm sorry. You're saying that this institution is literally not a well-oiled machine. Exactly. It is not. We had a topic.

And then we went down this primrose path. I'm sorry. What were we talking about? I can't remember. Why don't we just start over? No, no, this is fine. Will you not? Shut up, Blay.

When did you decide that you needed to steer the podcast left and right? I got this. I got this. What a madman. Leave the man alone. He does a lot here. I know he does a lot. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Sort of the unabomber. Okay, so we had. I'm talking to you now, Matt. Let's see if interjectee. He can just settle down for a second. What about me?

You're good. Okay. We'll get to you. We had a topic that we agreed on before we started. We were going to talk about this fact that Sona's sons have learned to swim. Oh, my God. That was the topic? Full disclosure.

We sat around for five minutes. That was the topic that made us say, hallelujah. She brought it up and you went, okay, let's go. I know, you did. I just was saying it. Wow. You know what's looking tempting right now? Blaze, multi-volume discussion of squeaking chairs.

Part four Chapter 1 But, okay, so let's commit to this and see if there's something there. So, Sona, word on the street is that your twin sons learn to swim? Yeah, Charlie and Mikey can swim now. Okay. No floaties needed, baby. What was the process?

They went to classes and had an instructor one-on-one, and they taught them what to do, and they did it. Wow. Well, that's a good story. I've got a story. No, but I have one, too. Do you want to hear about how I learned to swim? That's what I was going to say. I want to learn how you learn how you learn.

Let me show you how you tell a story about swimming. We went. They made a promise that the swimming would be learned. It was learned and all was done. No conflict. No conflict. No plot point. And then everyone was happy.

And then long credits. 40 minute credits. We did have a little bit of a conflict. Oh, good. This is how you tell a story. You didn't want to lead with that? They were learning how to swim in this one pool. And then they thought they could only swim in that one pool.

Oh, you took them someplace else. So then when I took them home or took them to another pool, they were like, this is not the pool we swim in. They took site-specific swimming lessons. Yeah, yeah. It only works in that one pool. Yeah, yeah. I can understand that. That's sweet.

When I was a little kid growing up, and I think I've mentioned this before, we didn't have a summer house or anything, but we would stay at my grandfather's summer cottage. She had a small house near the state beach in Miss Quamaca, Rhode Island. And so all of us, the giant O'Brien clan, would cram into my grandparents' house. And that was our favorite thing. We'd go there for like a month in August. And we would go down to the beach. And it was time for us to learn swimming, how to swim. And my mother signed us up for red cross classes that they taught in this marshes.

area that was near the state beach. You know, not the most appetizing body of water. It was like a salt marsh. This is where you're going to learn to see. Yeah, and you'd like, you'd climb through some tall reeds, maybe be attacked by a crane.

And, you know, it had that boggy smell, methane smell. But anyway, we'd all gather. Of course, my mother, I would burn constantly. And so she would just, put white t-shirts on us, which we now know just attracts Moore Sun. And I would get giant blisters on my back. I'm just picturing these little red children.

No, I was so... Walking into a swamp. I was so red. I don't even think they had come out with Sunblock yet. This is, you know, the early 1970s. So she put... I think she just put mayonnaise on our faces. And then I'd be attacked by these...

More apricizing for the animals. Yeah. Attacked by these marsh animals. So I'm sitting there like, cross. And this woman would lecture us and then she would say whose turn it was to go in and the first thing she wanted us to learn was how to float on our back. And I remember she would always read through all our names and we had to say present, but she would always say the same thing. She would go, Conan O'Brien, C-O-N-O-N-O-Bry. And then on the ride home, my brother Neil would go, Conan O'Brien. Khan and O'Brien. And I was sit there burning, like shivering because you get like blisters and then you're shivering and covered in just like a methaney bog smell. And still like a, you know, some kind of some kind of marsh bird still nestled in my shirt.

And that was my traumatic introduction. But I do thank the Red Cross for teaching me how to float on my. back, which I can do to this day, which I can do to this day. And yes, you have a story. Oh, well, a year ago when we hired a swimming instructor for my daughter, Glenn. And so it's the first time she's coming over. We've never met her. She's a wonderful young woman. Comes over, gets out of her day clothes into a leopard print one piece, very attractive young woman. Wow. sits there. None of us have entered the backyard yet, and she's just sitting there in the pool. Turns out she's in our neighbor's pool. And the mother of the neighbors comes out and it's like, what is this woman? She went to the wrong house. She went to the wrong house. What is this, is my husband having an affair? What is this woman in a leopard print bathing? She's doing in our pool. And she came over. She figured it out and came over. She's like, I'm so sorry. I just went to your neighbors. And the wife was there. And she thought maybe I was having an affair or something.

Can I just say this is the excuse I use every time Liza catches me cheating. Every time. Who's this bikinied bimbo in our backyard? Who mistakenly came to our home? I say that every time. And Liza goes her in the marsh. Yeah. Oh, my God.

So how do the lessons go? Fine after that. Okay. And she and I are very close now. I bet you are. Listen, the important thing is, It started off with us not knowing what to say. And Blay, you did try to help, and I appreciate that.

You know, you stumbled and bumbled, as most large forest bears do. Yes, I'm sorry. But you did help. You got us, and then I think my anger towards you caused me to suddenly remember this story. Oh, you are. Maybe it was me prompting you guys with some good premise. It could have been. But don't we always say, let's just go.

We'll figure it out. But also it was Sona's inability to tell us. a good story that I think at a panic, I rose to the occasion and then you rose to the occasion. So, Sony, you hope too. You're welcome. All right. My guest today is a hilarious actress who was a cast member on Saturday Night Live. Now you can see her alongside Will Ferrell in the new Netflix comedy series The Hawk.

This woman is one of my all-time favorite human beings. And I'm thrilled. She's back on the podcast. Molly Shannon, welcome. Molly, listen, I've known you a long time. You're going to listen to me now. I don't know if I said, listen. Listen here.

I've known you a long. Now, you listen to me. I'm a huge admirer of yours. You have the best energy. Molly just walked into this building and just made everybody happy. It's sunshine. But that's the effect you have on people. You were talking to everyone.

You were talking about how much you love the building. You were hugging me. You were hugging our. Our Booker, Paula Davis. I got a hug. Oh, yes. Even you got a hug. Yeah.

Even you. Come on. I always feel like we have, oh, here's your coffee. Oh, my gosh. Let's have this coffee come in. Thank you very much, Maddie. And you're fired. Thank you so much, Maddie.

So I've always felt like a kinship with you, Molly. And I don't know if I'm correct in saying any of this, but we both are Irish stock. Catholic? Yes, Irish Catholic. Yeah. And I used to watch you, you know, over the years when I first was watching you on SNL, and I would notice that you would just throw yourself around with absolute careless abandon, often into stacked chairs, classroom chairs, as Mary Kathleen Gallagher, you know.

And at the time, I remember thinking, well, those must be made of foam. And then I found out later, no, they're just the same chairs they use in a classroom, which are the most dangerous. dangerous thing in the world you can throw yourself into. Yeah, yeah. I would see you do that and I would think, oh, I too, if I think it will get a laugh. Yeah. We'll do something, would throw myself into a pile of nails.

Yeah, yeah. If I thought people would laugh. Yeah, yeah. And I thought, this Molly Shannon, I don't know, it just always made me very curious about you. And I've always felt like we're quasi-related. Is that possible? I know it could be possible. How Catholic were you growing up?

Very Catholic. My dad was really, you know, yeah, we went to church all the time, and he was very, I would say, very religious, you know. Yeah, yeah. He believed that you shouldn't have sex before marriage or you should put your marriage certificate above the bed, like that type of Catholic. Oh, my God. Interesting, right? Yeah, yeah. He felt like you shouldn't live with somebody before you were married.

Yeah. Well, that would be my parents as well. Your parents, too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. They were both very Catholic. Yeah. In almost a 19th century way.

You know, like it felt like. And they were both very smart. My parents were both very smart people who lived in the modern world, but came from this 19th century idea, I think, a little bit of how one should conduct oneself. That's, I love that old-fashioned values. I was going to say, but regarding the Mary Catholic stuff, I feel at that time, I feel at that time, I was much crazier and more reckless, and it felt a little bit like, I didn't care. And I wouldn't even feel pain when I was doing it. I would feel nothing.

I would feel it the next day. Yes, the next day. Isn't that? Like, I wake up bruised and cut, and I could not feel it in the moment at all. So my wife would always notice, like, I'm getting out of the shower, and I would just, my whole leg would be yellow and purple and should say, what is that? And I go, huh? And then I'd remember, oh, right, we had a water buffalo on set, and I jumped on it.

and I got thrown off of it. Yeah. I would remember these things, and it didn't hurt as much at the time because I was getting all the adrenaline of people laughing. Exactly. Ha, ha, ha, ha.

Orange man fell down. And then you didn't even notice you were bruised. No, you don't really think about that stuff. And then later on, you'd notice, this leg won't work. Exactly. I'm just walking in circles. Yeah.

Did you, I think you used to watch mass on television, because I remember that being a fixture. When I was staying at my grandfather's house, he would have the Mass on, my grandmother and grandfather would have the Mass on television. And I remember being kind of fascinated by that because sometimes it was the only thing that came in. This is before cable.

And you would just watch whatever came in. Like, oh, we're getting reception on this one channel. It's a Catholic Mass. Let's check it out. It beats going outside and playing like other people. Yeah. My sister, Mary and I would watch the Mass. for shut-ins, they called it.

And they would show people going up to communion. Right. To get the wafer. To get the wafer. We would guess how many people were wearing glasses. Great.

You'd be like, one, two, three. And so it was, I mean, today, you were looking into the future because today that's the kind of stuff people bet online about. You can make any kind of bet. And that's the kind of thing people would bet online about now.

My friend's son started Polymarket. Oh, you're kidding. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That must be going quite well. Wisdom of the crowd, right? Yes.

I know. It's amazing. But I was going to say, and then we would watch this other show called Davy and Goliath right after. Do you remember that? Of course I remember Davy and Gleith. It was claymation. Yeah.

And it was a boy named Davy and his dog was named Goliath. And Goliath would be like, I don't know, Davy. It doesn't sound like a good idea. And they were made, I think, by the Catholic Archdiocese. Yes. And they were made, I think, little morality tales. And so it was always, you know, this claimation boy saying, I'm going to go over there and, you know, throw paint against that wall. I don't know, Davy. Oh, there they are.

There's Davy and Goliath. Oh, my gosh, that's so cool. Yeah. I love that show. So that show was weird. Some of the episodes were very strange. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll have to go back and look at it, but I remember. Let me refresh your memory. Okay. I'm glad you brought this up. There's one, my brother Neil and I, howled for days about this. We were watching it. Davy and the whole family is on a camping trip, and Davy finds this beautiful spring, like a little watering hole that all the animals are drinking at, and it's just beautiful.

And Davey finds a can of red paint, and he pours it into the watering hole and says, look, I made a giant strawberry shake. Ha, ha, ha. And, of course, the dog goes, I don't know, Davy. And then you see all the animals try to drink out of it and they can't. And I think they're going to die. And the father has a stern talk with Davy.

And I thought, Davy's a sociopath. That's amazing. That's really messed up. I'm going to put plutonium in this water supply. So no one in New York can have a drink of water. And anyone who does will die. I don't know, Davey. That's an act of terrorism.

Anyway, I'm sorry. I went on a jag there. I love it. Wait, Conan, are you like, do you consider yourself an extrovert, extrovert? Or do you ever have time when you're not performing, like, not being bruised, waking up bruised, where you're just like, have to be quiet and just reading or are you? Well, I do like to read. I was just curious about that.

It's a funny thing where I want to say I'm a, I'm, you can be both. It's a weird thing. But you can be an insane extrovert, which I can be. And then there are other times where, you know, people come to the door and I just kind of want to stay in my room. Yes. Because you almost feel a shyness. Like, I don't want to turn that guy on right now. Yes.

Of course. I would say most the time, it's weird. You can be both. I'm guessing you're both. I'm both. Jack Nicholson used to say when he would go out in public, he would have to be the mayor. You have to be the mayor. Oh, hello, everybody.

You know, like really? And I'm like, that's a good way to put it. Yes, I'm definitely both. I love being around people. I'm like you and I get energy from people, but I can be by myself for hours and be completely entertained hiking and being quiet. Yeah, so I think I'm an extrovert, introvert maybe. Yeah, I think you can be both. I just spent a weekend and it was my wife was out of town and I just was me and my two dogs because my kids are both, you know, out of town. And I just spent my whole weekend either reading a book or walking with the dogs. And then I came in today. and I can't stop talking. I know. That's amazing. And it's been a problem. They want to sedate me.

You can tell you've been alone. Yeah. So do you feel like giddy when you're by yourself at the dog's house? I'm really happy. I'm really happy. Yeah. I'm really happy. I can do whatever I want.

Yeah. And how long do you sit and read? How long can you if you have the luxury of time? Oh, I would read for hours if I could, you know? I mean, with breaks. Yes, with breaks. Because I blame apps. Apps have shortened to my reading time.

But as long as I take a little. break, I can read a lot. And I like it. It makes me really happy. This is interesting because when you describe your childhood, it's not like mine. And you've talked about this, I know, a lot. And you've talked about it on this podcast, how your dad was very unconventional in some of his thinking. Yes. Because in one way, he's very Catholic and very strict, but in another way, he had these very strange ideas that he was about what it is to have a child, is that fair to say? Oh, sure, yeah. Like, he would encourage, you've never talked to this about this with me, but he would encourage you to cheat. Yes, yes. He did not care a lot of

school. So this is a guy who says no premarital sex, no premarital sex, and you can't live with someone before you marry them, but if you can cheat to get ahead, do it. He was like that. No, he just, he really thought street smarts were like a great thing, you know, learning how to make a buck and make it in the world. And school, he would say if I had a big exam and I was dressed out in high school, he would say, can't you get a call in sick and get a copy of the test so you can go in the next day?

So he really did not care about school. He was so laid back. and yeah, he was much more into street smarts. Isn't that interesting? It's fascinating. And then, yeah, so he didn't mind. And then if we went to the amusement park, like, he's like, okay, if you guys clean out that backyard, I'll take you to Geago Lake, this local amusement park in Cleveland.

And then, but then when we got there, he was like, I don't really want to have to pay. So he was like, can you guys sneak in? Oh, my gosh. Hop over the fence. And we were like, but there's barbed wire you go around. And he was like, just do it, do it. be an adventure. You know what, it's so funny.

It's funny that he's defining this as street smart. I know. These are just crimes. These are crimes. These are just crimes. These are crimes. This is all illegal. But it must have, I mean...

He was wild. He was fun. Or we would go to the movies, right? He didn't... I've told these stories before, but we would go to the movie and then after, let the mall or whatever, they would have those gates that they would pull down, like at Spencer's gifts or the wig store or whatever. And then we saw a wig store coming out of.

the movies at the mall, and he was like, stick your little hand in there and try to pull out of it. And we'll say, Valley, you have a little wrist to it. He thought it was the claw game that you'd get in an arcade. It's like that. You just reach your hand in, and if you can get it, you can. That's a jewelry store, but if you can get your hand in there, you get to keep it. So I pull a wig, wig, wig from me and him and my friend Anna, we put them on.

And we would die laughing, running out of the mall with our wigs on. No one will ever catch us. They said leaving them all wearing three crazy wigs. Arrest that man on the beehive hairdo. No, there is 100 crazy stories like that. He was wild. He was a rule breaker. But yes, he was traditional.

But understand the Catholic stuff was a little messed up because he is, he ended up admitting right before he died. I said, have you ever thought you might be gay? And he was like, most definitely. Oh, wow. And so I think he was conflicted with his. he's not alive to say what he would have been, whether it be bisexual, homosexual, but I did say, have you ever thought you might be gay when he was dying of cancer? 72. We were sitting at the Four Seasons Hotel. I was on a press jacket. He's like,

most definitely. And then we talked all about it. So I think the closeted homosexuality or bisexuality was mixed up with the Catholic stuff. Does that make sense? Of course it does, yeah. Because he couldn't fully be who he wanted to be. So I think he had anger about that, not being able to express himself. Yeah. So. And then it comes out your elbow. It says this is a phrase I've always thought that I've heard used, which is if you can't

admit some essential truth about yourself, you think you can suppress it, but it's coming out in some way. Yes, yes, exactly. And that means stealing wigs through a great. Exactly. You, I heard this one story that you and one of your friends used to go to a hospital. to eat food for free, how would you do that?

That's so fun. Well, that's kind of like... Oh, this one's fine. Oh, yeah. No, I don't think we did it. No, we would pay for the food, but it was kind of like, I still feel that way.

It was if you've kind of felt in a little bit of a rut, I would try to throw myself into a different atmosphere. Like, oh, let's go, let's just go up to the hospital and we'll get lunch and we'll get like cream of broccoli soup

and it split a tuna for salt sandwich and we can watch the doctors. And it felt inspiring to be in a different type of atmosphere. I still feel that same way. And when I was first in L.A. and I was struggling as an actress, I would get kind of depressed because I was like, oh, this is so hard. It's such a hustle.

I didn't realize how hard it was. So when I felt in kind of a blue mood, I would drive to Ontario, California. And I would go to the Wilford Academy School of Beauty and let the young students do my hair. and I would get breakfast at Mollies, and then I would feel better, kind of throwing myself in a new atmosphere. Right? It's like traveling,

but like little cheap ways to kind of open your mind. Yes. Yeah. There is this concept among, you know, neurologists, you have to just keep challenging your brain. Yes. You just keep changing it up.

And then one of the problems is people get into a rut and they're not challenged. So it sounds like almost the ultimate way to say, I'm going to go to, you know, I'm going to hang out with some scuba divers just to see what that's all about. Exactly. Even though I haven't passed any classes and I could easily die underwater.

I'm just going to try it. Well, I love reading about brain science and stuff. And I do think if you do feel in that state, sometimes an action can help you kind of get out of your head. And I think, yeah, so I love reading about that. Also, if you ever felt like, you know, angry or something, if you do or kind of supercharged, if you do a math problem, like a subtraction problem in your head, that can also calm down. your amygdala, or if you, I just love the idea of thoughts and how you can change your thoughts and stuff to do to help you get out of a little rut or something. Does that make sense? I love

reading about that. Yeah. Yeah. Every now and then I'll be doing something and a friend said, well, this doesn't seem very like you. And I think, well, that's good. Yeah, yeah. Because I want to try. Like what kind of thing, for example? Well, I don't talk about it much on the show, but for years I've, I drive a motorcycle. I ride a motorcycle and people don't know that. And I do it kind of like, I just like, you can be another person. You can put on a helmet and you can just go. And as long as you have a credit card in your pocket, you can pay for gas and you can go anywhere. And sometimes I just feel like I'm a different person when I'm doing that. And I take off for most of a day and come back. And it's very therapeutic because I'm being someone else for a while, which is.

which I really like. Yes, I love that. I also kill people. Oh, my God. No, you can. You can. If it's completely random, nothing links you to the crime.

And then you get away, but you have that feeling of like, I'm choking the life out of you. You know, you know what I mean? And then you run a little quick burial, shallow grave, and then you run away. And then you just feel like

I was just that guy for a while. I've done that second one a lot. Oh, my God. And I lied about the motorcycle. I mostly just kill. Anyway, try it. You're going to really like it. I know that you were here to talk about this project that you're doing with Will Ferrell.

Yes. And you two have such a unique chemistry and relationship that just goes back. Did you, had you worked together before SNL? Or was SNL the time that you came together? Oh, that was the time it came together. I worked at Melrose baking company, and Will was in the Groundlings Comedy School across the street, and we had a mutual friend named Patricia Cotter, and she said, Molly, I really think you're going to get along great with this guy, Will Farrell. And I was like, bring him over to the coffee shop.

So he came over, and I was like, nice to meet you, and what do you want? And he was like, I'll have a scone and a latte. And then we just started talking, we became friends. We've been friends for over 30 years. We did click right away, just like she said. And I got on SNL first, and Will came shortly after. Yeah, we just right away, like, clicked so much and have been really close, close friends for so long. And then you're on SNL together and everything else happens.

Yeah, and I really did feel like the press was kind of behind. And when we all first started all us newcomers, they were kind of like, you know, really hard on us. And I remember thinking, wow, the press is really behind. They're just kind of copying old press. And Will to take the, like, to not feel bad, he would have. hang up the worst reviews about himself on his office door. Oh, man. Isn't that wild to just kind of take the, you know, to not feel ashamed about it?

And I was like, good for him. I could never do that. But I remember thinking they're wrong and they don't, these people are really good. I'm like, this is good. So it helped me understand the press a little bit where I was like, wow, they're like outside and they haven't caught up yet. I remember first hearing about Will and someone said, oh, yeah, I've been hanging out with this new cast member, Will Ferrell.

And at the end of the season, he was dressed as a character on some sketch. And he decided to just keep wearing the costume. Yes. And I don't know if it was like a, you know, like a boiler suit or some kind of over-the-top weird costume. But he wore it for weeks and weeks. And a friend of mine said, yeah, I saw him at the National History Museum. And he's still wearing that outfit. And I said, I don't know who that guy is, but I love that guy.

And this is before I knew him. Yeah, I'm liking in the character that I know he loves doing that kind of stuff. And it's so he's really just entertaining himself. And it's just so, he, it's just so fun. And he's so creative. And I think Will, too, is more serious, too, than people would expect. Like, we know his big comedy side, but I know his more serious side. And it's so nice.

Yeah, it's a real drag. Yeah, it's awful. No, I know what you mean. Do you know what I mean? I think what's tough, and I think it's the same thing with you, too, is people would assume, you or Will are just kooky all the time and over the top entertainment machines and both of you are very soulful, real people. Yes.

You have a very serious side to you. Yes, yes, very. And do you find that there are people when they first meet you who think they're going to meet the Molly Shin and who's going to throw herself into a bunch of chairs and then they find someone who's really talking to them seriously about an issue? Probably, yeah. I think I am more serious. I really like to get to know people and if I have time. And I think I'm more a one-on-one. And I think I'm shire than people would think, too. But yeah, I do feel that a little bit too. Yeah. And the whole thing, too, with critics, like what you were saying to, I feel like I'm very conscious too of like, God, you could so easily, you know, the whole like show business is such a hustle. And I just don't like getting into that thing of like going back. Like, you're good, you're bad. You're good. You're bad. I think I can really repeat like childhood patterns. And so I try to be healthy. You know, when you think about life and how lucky we are to be healthy, I just, I just don't, I don't really worry about that. I try not to get into that too much. Don't you think having a family helps? Oh my God, it helps so much. It's just my everything. Like, I'm just so glad I'm alive to be there and do it. It affects every decision in my life, my children. I want to be there. I love being a mom. That's my number one. So it makes showbiz less, I'm very, I'm pretty late, very laid back about it, I would say. You have, yeah, you have like a solid foundation, like a solid basement foundation of this is what matters.

Yes. Yeah. Other stuff can come and go. Yeah. And I feel like I just don't want to do that to myself, like, rile myself up like that, like never feeling good enough or that you're only as good as your last thing. I'm like, oh, enough. You know, I want to, I feel like I'm proud of myself and I try not to have to need that so much from the outside. Does that make sense?

Yeah. Otherwise, it just feels so unhealthy. And I feel like there can be a nice place to be healthy and be creative and not like not not worried too much about that. Yeah. I worked hard in therapy to not rile myself up like that. What kind of therapy did you do if I'm not being too personal? I mean, I've done EMDR. Mm-hmm.

And do you know what that is coming? No, I just said, mm-hmm. Oh, okay. It's more for like trauma where you do like bilateral stimulation. So if you were nervous, you do the beep, beep, beep, like the little, there's a, like a buzzer where you would, you would hold the buzzer and you go back into, you would, you could pick like supercharged moments in your life, like a top five where you're like, ooh, and feeling scared or whatever. And the bilateral stimulation kind of will bring it from

like a 10 to like a three. So you slowly kind of can reprocess this, these trauma. Yeah. And so it really, it's great. Did you ever do cognitive? Cognitive? I mean, yes, yes. Cognitive is so fascinating because They say if you have a good imagination, it can be great or you also have a great imagination for bad things. Yeah. My career is over. I suck. I'm terrible. All these things David writes to me every day.

Yeah. Every morning. Just little memos. Yeah. But I start to spiral and go down. And one of the things I learned is write it all down on a piece of paper. Yes. Walk away from it for 10 minutes.

Come back and then read the piece of paper. During a worry time. Yeah. Yeah. And you read it in like, I'm the worst person who ever lived. And I go, well, no, Stalin was bad. Oh. Hitler.

I mean, yes, I'm bad, but I'm not that bad. And then, you know. You find evidence contrary to the beliefs. But also a lot of the things you've written down just look silly. Yes. You know, like they just look ridiculous. And so I find that to be, and it's helped me talk to my kids, if they have anxiety, all these little tools. But I'm always looking for another thing, you know, because you,

okay, I've got those tools, but I'm always looking for the next thing. Yes, I love that. I love that kind of stuff, though, but that does make sense, the act of writing it, that you can put it aside. And then when you go back and look at it, you're, you know, you're like, yeah, I just, I just write a great book called Social Anxiety for the Overthinker, and it talked about that same thing. And I love that kind of stuff. I talk to myself out loud. One of my kids overheard me. I don't want to talk.

They're private and stuff. But I was talking to myself in my office, and that one of them, overheard me and I was like just going through these files it was kind of a tedious and I was like you're doing a great job malls out loud and one of my kids heard me and they were like yeah they yelled up in the house you're doing a great job malls but I I wasn't aware that I was doing like a kind of long island coat talk literally talking to myself out loud telling myself I was doing a good job lady I don't know it just came out you doing a great job malls I love that. But no, I love positive self-talk, creative visualization. I feel like life is hard. Like any tools that can help you. For me, it's exercise. Like I have to. I feel like I'm in great shape, but it's not really about exercise. It's about it just makes me feel so happy, so good. I sleep better. It just makes me relax.

Do you do this? Because exercise releases all these endorphins. And so what I have found is I'll get on a treadmill and I'll run really hard. It's like, wow, I just did 40 minutes on the treadmill, really, you know, really going all out and I'm sweating and I get off of it. And I'm, I'm euphoric. I am euphoric. And when I've been on the treadmill, I've had all these ideas. It's like, I'm going to, you know, I'm going to learn how to play the oboe and I'm going to become a really good oboe player. Like, I'll come up with all these ideas for what I want to do and I'm going to take a woodworking course and I'm going to, I'm going to build a sideboard and give it to my wife on our anniversary. It's going to be made out of maple.

And then I'll play the obo while she's open. I'll have all these ideas. And I'll start looking up stuff online like oboe classes, carpentry classes. And then I get in my car. I drive here to the studio. I get to work and I think, I don't want to do any of that. I don't want to do any of that because my heart rate came down

and all of this great stuff that gets released. So I have learned don't make any calls. Yeah. Don't make any plans after the exercise period. Just wait a little bit. But it feels so good. Yeah, yeah. That is so, I love it.

That's great. I love that you have that inspiration, though, and while you're exercising. If I ever call you right after a workout, just don't listen to me. I'm going to say, like, you and I should get married. We should leave our spouses and marry each other. And I'm going to take a woodworking course. And I'm going to build you a house, Molly. It's going to be the bestest house you ever saw.

That is so funny. And then I get to work, and your husband's like, What the fuck, man? I'm sorry, man. I just had a really good exercise session. And I love Molly. Conan, where do you get your work drive from? How did you learn how to do that when you were fresh out of college?

Like, is that from your dad or your mom? Work was prioritized when I was a kid. But I don't think all of us learned that lesson in my family. But I certainly, I don't know. I decided. I remember kind of thinking like in. fourth grade. Yeah.

Like, I'm just gonna, I didn't know what I was good at. I had no idea that I'd be good at anything. Yeah. So I just decided, well, if I work really hard, that'll make up for the fact that I'm not good at anything. I remembered thinking that. And so I just started, it's not a cool. You started off by saying, oh, I feel so cool.

I'm not a cool person. I was, I just worked really hard when I was a kid in a way that makes me a little sad. I'm really worried about stuff. Yeah. And the way I combated my anxiety was to prepare really hard for things. And then that yielded these benefits. And then people later on said, you're really smart. And I thought, I think I just work really hard.

Interesting. So, but I have a work ethic. And I like to make things. And I like to work with people and make things. And so I think that's kind of just part of who I am now. That's great. Sometimes I think about show business, I'm like, you have to be crazy. It's like, I think, like, you know, you're from Boston, I'm from Cleveland.

Like, I just think, oh, my God, what did I think coming out here and not knowing anybody? Like, you have to be kind of crazy to think that you're going to, come on, let's, you know, you have to, don't you think? Yeah, no, I do. If I were to really have known how much work it would be and what I would have to do in the somersaults and backflips and what was going to. I'm like, oh, my God, I can't believe I did it, you know? No, when I look back now, I mean, do you feel that way? Yes, of course. I look back now and I think we graduated from this really good school and I did well.

And I was like, okay, well, I'm going to L.A. with my friend Greg. We took a People's Express flight out there. I don't know if you knew. People's Express was like if you had no money, you flew People's Express. You gave them some cash. There was no, you know, it was like flying a credit card on the plane. Yeah, it was like flying a barn. You could get on a barn and fly. They put wings on a barn and you flew to L.A.

We took a red eye and Greg Daniels, who's gone on to create every great show? He did okay. Yeah, he did fine. He did. I go to Greg for loans. We just had this goofy existence, but the only thing I can say is it was like a salmon swimming upstream. Yeah. And did you come out, you guys leased an apartment for a year and just did you take jobs while you were taking comedy classes?

We did. Well, we had an entry-level job. We had a job at this show. cable. It was on HBO back when if you wanted to watch HBO, you checked into a hotel or a motel because no one I knew had HBO. But we worked on the show called Not Necessarily the News and we had a sort of an entry-level job at that. But then we would take other jobs. I took some kooky, other jobs. So did you come out with just a small amount of money too? I love your podcast. This is fantastic. I know. I know. I love doing the Molly's

podcast. I have so many questions are all of you. Did I do what? Did you come out with like $3,000 or how much money did you come out with to L.A.? I can't remember what I had. I don't, I didn't, we knew that we had this gig. We just didn't know if it was going to last. Okay. So we were under the impression that we were on like a three-week tryout, I think. We just didn't know.

Yeah. And so we came out very ready to leave immediately or that was what we kind of told ourselves. This isn't working. We can do something else. But I remember thinking, I'm not leaving. That's so great. I love that. I didn't know all that.

And I kept thinking, I just want to have a girlfriend. That was the heart. Yeah, and no one would talk to me. That's so sweet. Well, it was just very sad. Let's talk about the Hawk because you and Will Farrell are together. Yes. And again, which is as it should be, Will is out there doing all kinds of insane stunts, which I love.

This is the Will we love to see. He's out there 100% committing to being The Hawk, who is this down-and-out aging PGA golfer. And you are his ex-wife. And tell us a little bit about that relationship. I'm kind of frustrated with him because I feel disappointed. I'm like, oh, these nutty golfers. And, you know, I kind of regret. I'm like, I just don't, I'm being very hard on him. And he was great in the past. He was great in the past in his glory days. But now I'm like, oh, God, I'm so sick of your bullshit. You know, I'm really tough. And I kind of want to do my own thing and not rely on him. And I want to pull myself out of these world of golfers, these crazy people. It's all consuming that world, yeah. How they can compartmentalize things. And, but we have a son.

But yeah, so, but we really do love one another. We're just kind of in a little rocky period, but we truly do love one another deep down. And yeah, it's about our relationship, our family. And we have a son who's a pro golfer. And who's really good. Who's really good. Yes, he's excellent. So, yeah, so it's just, it's just that whole world. And yeah, we had a blast shooting it. It was so much fun. I am just going to imagine that when you two get together for a project, it's right back to could be the third week at SNL that you're together.

Exactly. It is like that. There's a lot of tomfoolery, chicanery. Yes, yes, yes. Skull-duggery. Yeah. We had one day where we were shooting and there was a little stunt woman who was hired. And her name Sandy Gimple.

But Will said, he was like, Molly, did you see when Sandy was taking arrest on the grass? during when we weren't shooting. I was like, well, of course I noticed. You know, she's like flat on the ground, sleeping. And we notice the same things that we think are funny or, you know, it's just, it's an absolute joy we talk about our kids. I'm really close to Will's mom and dad. Will was really close to my dad. It just feels like family in all honesty. And Will is so professional. This is what I always tell people. He is the most professional, most prepared, most thoughtful, you know, just like he's just the best. You better be on your A game because he, Farrell is ready to go.

But see, that's another misconception. People would see a Will Ferrell or you, Molly. And they would think, well, they're just wacky and they get together and they're crazy together. And then they roll it. They don't understand that there's just an immense amount of preparation and professionalism that's required to get to that space. And then there can be some improvisation. But that's like the frosting on the cupcake. Do you know what I mean?

Exactly. He's sitting there and he's like. looking at his and he can look at the scene and go, yeah, we could lose that. I guess I could cut that. You know, he's looking at the writing very technically and excellent, you know. So it is just all those things, but he is there before everyone ready to go and memorizes really fast too. Like he'll have these giant scenes where I'm like, wow, you started memorizing that last night. That's hard. You know, he's just a pro. And so it just feels so fun. It's just working with your friend. And it's just, it's the greatest.

I feel like there's no greater joy than when you get to work with people you love. It just doesn't even feel like work. That's truly how I feel. Well, that's how it, you know, it's so many people in the world have to do a job. Yes. That they don't maybe love or have a connection to. Yeah, yeah. And anyone who gets to do anything like what we're doing.

And it's not just in the arts or in comedy or entertainment. It's just, you know, people that really love what they do. Yeah. is the ultimate gift. It is the ultimate. Greatest way to go through life. Yeah, and you should never, I think it's so important to not, but to enjoy where you are and not be like, oh, I'm only as good as this last thing. It's just, it's, it's just, I try to, I try to come with age, though. Doesn't it comes with age? I try to just enjoy, like, I'm like, if you can't be happy, I had a, you know, when you think about life, how precious it is and health, I just think, I don't want to live like that

anymore. I had a, my childhood was up and down. You're good, you're bad, you're good, you're bad. It's like, I'm not going to do that anymore. I don't like that. This life's too short. So what I want to say is, yes, it makes you appreciate. I don't like buying into that you're only as good as your last thing. I think if you do work that is meaningful to you and you love it, that's all that matters. Because like I said, I've seen people become superstars who feel like they're only as good as their last movie. And I'm like, I don't want to live like that. Like, if they're like that, I should just enjoy my level where I am. Do you know what I'm saying?

Of course. Well, there's also, there's a lot we can't control. Yes, yes. So if you're, quote, only as good as your last thing that you did, you have very little control over that. Yeah. Do you know, there have been things I've been involved in that I thought were just the most amazing thing ever. And it didn't, no one talks to me about it, doesn't go anywhere. And then there are other things where everyone just loved it.

And I don't remember the difference. There's just other currents. that are happening. This is a very, this isn't, I'll say this. You came in with this energy. Okay. This, I'm not, you're not being punished. You look very upset.

I know, no. You came, you come with this energy that I'm just going to call, this is going to sound very L.A. and crunchy. But you come in with this energy that's very healing. Oh. True. And very positive. And I just absolutely, uh, love talking to you.

You have always been, I mean, you came on my show so many times over the years. You would always come on and be just outrageously entertaining. But I also knew that you were the highest quality person. You really are. And so to have you, and you coming in today and just everybody is irradiated in this Molly Shannon glow. It's a lovely thing. Well, you know, thank you, Conan. That means so much.

Well, I feel like I could almost get choked up. You know that I feel the same way about you. And I remember two years ago you were so nice. Conan's exactly the same all the time. Like you treat everyone with respect and kindness and you make everyone feel good. You have that ability, that gift. You were that way with my father. But I wanted to say, too, that if I get fucked up about comedy or thinking too much about competition or sure, everybody has it.

I just think when I really want to get back to be grounded, I think really I do it to make people feel good. Like, I like what people feel happier. They're like, I love that. That is really all it's about. You won't get fucked up. It's a, it's, I'm an entertainer. It is a giving. It is, do you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, I do. And if you think about it that way, like a service almost, then you're not going to be so self-centered about it. Does that make sense? Yes. And I want to enjoy my life on earth as an artist, not be like, you know, I don't want to be that way, competitive or, you know what I mean? Exactly.

I do know what you mean. Like, it's just. But I still want others to fail. You know what I'm saying? I want people who aren't me in comedy to fail. No, that's not what Molly said. Wait, is that not what you? No, that is the complete opposite.

I agreed with the Molly said, and all I'm adding is, but I want others to fail. Yeah, no, you missed the point completely. I want to do better, not because of my own abilities. I want them to fail so that I rise. I see, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, still completely. Okay, well, whatever. I think we pretty much said the same thing.

It's okay. But, Conan, listen, getting back to the Irish thing, because my Irish thing was that my dad could be tough, you know, this and that. My mom died when I was little. So much of me getting into it was a bit of a painful thing. Like my dad really would have loved to have been an actor. My mom died. I thought, well, if I get famous enough, I'll bring my mom back from the dead. It was very sad stuff.

And I still have to ask myself, do you really still want to do this? Is this really you? Do you, you know, I really have to check in with you. with that, you know, but that's my point, going back to the Irish stuff of it, was, it had some dark stuff. Of course it does. You know what I mean? Really dark.

Do you relate to that? But also, of course I do. Yes. There's also the, am I doing this because in some way I'm not well, like what's the whole wanting to make everyone laugh? Is there an unhealthy part of this? Is there a part of this which is revenge? Like, I can make everyone happy because maybe some people weren't.

happy, but now I'll make everyone happy. And is this unhealthy? And if you get healthy, does that mean you can't do this anymore? Yeah. All the dark stuff. I had, I just got my star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. And I feel like, thank you. And Will gave the speech.

That was so nice. But I was going to say, I get very shy when people have to show up from me. That makes me shy. I can go be a celebrity by myself alone, but if people have to come from me, I get like, oh, God, I'm going to disappoint you. Or even at S&L. Will would always bring tons of friends in the show. He'd have like, oh, you know, he has so many.

friends. And I was always like, I would prefer strangers because I felt like if a friend's going to come, they're going to get disappointed and they're going to want to leave. This is me. I mean, everything you're saying is if there's a thing where people, which hasn't happened a lot, but something like the Twain award where people come for Conan O'Brien, I was mortified. Really mortified that like people, I don't want people to have to get. No, they're flying in. They're flying in. No, and they're going to prepare stuff. They have to prepare stuff. And I had done it for other people. people and felt fine doing that because I loved the people I was showing up for. But I couldn't see it the other way.

So I was kind of mortified. And then everything you're saying, I always, when I was doing the late night show or any show and people were like, yeah, and guess what? Your friends are. I'm like, no, no, what do you mean they're here? Oh, no. Now the show has to really be good. Yeah.

Because if it's a stranger, it's like there's nothing, you know. Yeah. When I would do SNL, if I did invite a friend, I have to give them a list of rules. I was like, don't, you know, because they'd be like, more Molly. And I was like, oh, my God, like, really don't. If you knew how hard a bunch, you're just going to make me feel bad. So I had like a list of rules like, save it. You can't save this.

Like, I already am hard on myself. Like, so no more Molly in the show. It's like the love course. My least favorite is occasionally, there's an etiquette when you come off a show. I know, first of all, you're always going to be great. But no matter what, oh my God, great show, Molly. That's what you do. And that's what you would say to me.

if I came off stage, I love people that come up and go, how do you think it went? Oh, my God. Is that right? Yeah, I've got to go, how do you think it went? I don't know. How do you think it went? I'm just curious what you thought.

Oh, well, I guess I should get out of the business. All right, we have to wrap this up. Okay. But Molly, I adore you. I love you. You're so great. And you live in this neighborhood. So can we get lunch?

Wouldn't that be nice? Let's do a lunch sometime. Yes. It will be very serious. Serious lunch. No joking, Conan. I'm going to break you down. No bits.

No bits. No bits. It's like a no shoes, no shirt, no service. No bits. Can you do it? I think I could do it. It will be deadly, serious. So get ready.

It's going to be my dinner with Molly. Like my dinner with under. It's just going to be the same thing. Like, serious. All right. This was a joy, a pleasure. I love this office. Conan.

What could be? Everyone loves you. I mean, this is something. Thank you so much. So, no. Everybody loves you. Thank you. It's a,

Molly Shannon Day is a fun day. I've tried to start shit, you know, start saying, I've said shit about you to try and get negative stuff out there and it doesn't take. No, no, no.

No one, people, I'm just like, you know, Molly Shannon. I think he's just kind of, they're like, no, what? Yeah. He talks so much shit about you. Yeah, and it doesn't take. It won't take.

That's hysterical. I'm going to try again later today. Yeah, good luck. All right. Thank you for. My assistant David Hopping has entered the room and you have an announcement to make, you said? Yes.

So. I do not know what this is, by the way. Oh, you're, I think, I think you're going to like it. So. Your doctor just called. Every once in a while. And he says the test are back and you're hilarious. No.

Okay. So every once in a while, I will get tagged. different TikToks about Conan. And last night I opened up TikTok and I had like a bunch of notifications. So I clicked it. And we all know Toy Story 5 just came out and you play Smarty Pants.

There is an entire side of TikTok that find themselves attracted to Smarty Pants. And it's not like just a few. These videos have like over 100,000 likes each and all the comments are about how weird it is to be attracted to a potty training toy.

And I sent Eduardo some of them to pull up to show you. Let's check this out. Multiple levels. Ew. Hold on. Oh, gosh. It says, hear me out.

148,000 likes on that video. Oh, my God. Excuse me. Does it not occur to you that maybe this was my intention when I brought this character to life? No kidding. Yeah.

Walk us through your process. Well, I have a lot of Riz, I think is what the kids say. Is that right, Sona? I don't know. I'm not well. You're not well? This is so gross and disturbing.

I didn't see this one coming. I have to be honest. I tried to, you can't say, I tried for a second to go with it and be like, yeah. And then I realized I can't. Oh, there's more. Oh, here we go. Here we go. You want smart.

I want to buy. Oh, God. No, the internet needs to go away. I know you're not supposed to kink shame, but shame on you. Yes. No, yeah. You can't. For this.

we can kinkshame. Really? This is kink shamable. This is kink shamable. You are a potty training toy in a children's movie and people are like, what are, like, what are we doing? Like there's so many hot cartoon characters out there. Oh, you do tell.

There's a lot of hot cartoon characters out there. Are you saying, so you're saying it's not just that I'm a cartoon character, it's that there are other far more worthy sexual. Yes. Let's hear who they are. Oh, off the top of my head? I mean, this is not. in a cartoon, but recently I was reading a comic book, and I was like, when did Superman get

like this hot? Like, there's been a lot of illustrated characters I have responded to recently. I just, I can't think off the time. But not fucking Smarty Pants. Not that. That is ridiculous. I'm sorry. You can't see it. What about the, there's a section where Smarty Pants has my hair, you know, it's a dream sequence, a fantasy sequence. Are you asking me of them adding one of your characteristics makes it more attractive to me? That's my question. Yes. Yes, Senator, that is my question. The answer is a hard no. And it's even more no. The gentleman from Boston will yield this time. I yield my time and I also ask for a weapon to kill myself. I know that doesn't usually happen in a Senate subcommittee hearing.

No. But if there's a weapon present, I will use it. He will go into a warm bath. Arrested. No, that's weird. Okay, so... Like, you don't know. No. David, give us your thoughts. Because, you know, you discovered this. I was shocked whenever I clicked on it and you'll see what this was.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't know what to say. The world is not well. No. I mean, there's hot cartoon characters. Again, you keep saying that. I think we can all agree Jessica Rabbit is a hot broad.

We all want to bang. Right? And then, like, even me. And I think that there's hot cartoon characters. You were a hot cartoon. Oh, yeah. No, I want to bang her. But I'm saying there's hot cartoon characters. You are a pot-trained toy.

Who's another hot cartoon character? David, you're probably thinking of someone. Any of the, like... Well, I'm going to... I think I just had a stroke. Now we're going to take a look into your psyche. Well, like, Gallator. Like, He-Man can get it. He-Man?

Yeah. He can get it? Sure. Scarlet from G.I. Joe. Are you saying... Yes. You're saying He-Man. Fucks. Yeah.

I think He-Man. Fucks. Guess what? Skeletor fucks. Skeletor doesn't fuck. Jared Letto playing Skeletor, he fucks, unfortunately. Unfortunately. Skeletor is DTF. Yeah.

He bones. He bones. There you go. Nicely done. Nicely done, Blay. No, I remember my friend had to think for Gambit from X-Men. That, like, he's hot. That's a cartoon character?

Yes, from X-Men. Gambit. But I just, I, this is one of those things where you're like, people don't need to post everything on the internet. That's the problem. He's a machine. He's for kids. Is he kind of a childlike?

Well, I think he has many of my qualities. So yeah, probably a little bit childlike. I would do Woody before I did Smarty Pants, I think. Oh, I know. Buzz Light, you're for sure can get it. All I know is that advance. Well, you know, you can get him if you just go to the store. I only know.

For raking the Toy Story Fats. All I know is. is that a minivan packed with Disney lawyers is driving from Anaheim to this podcast studio right now at a hundred and ten miles an hour. Absolutely. And you know what?

Anyone who goes to see Toy Story 5 the day after this comes out is going to see just pixels where I used to be. And a burn mark on the screen. I think that's for the best. We lost any chance of you being in the sixth one. Anybody that goes to see the movie is going to be put on a sex offender list from here on out

and has to go door to door in their neighborhood. No, they're going to stop the film the minute my character's about to come up and go, all right, you perverts. We got you. Clear out. Clear out. The raid of vice rain. Clear out.

You and the raincoat. Get out. Oh, God. Oh, my God. No, even Wally before Smarney Pants. I have a list. I have a list. Now you're just being mean.

No, I'm not. Wally? Wally is like sentient and he got E. And sensual apparently. Yes. No, he got, he landed Eve. There's like a thing to him. There's a, there's a sensitivity. You know what? I'm nothing about your character. That's just, what are you talking about? I'm adorable.

I mean, you're talking about Pee Pee Pee and Poo Poo Poo Poo Poooo. A lot of your humor is like Pee Pee Pee Poooooooooooo humor. I saw what the character was and I said, oh, you want the Sona. That's why this is happening. Those people up there putting this up. into some weird shit. Well, listen, I think the only way to decide this matter is for everyone to go see Toy Story Five in theaters now. And guess what?

The van just turned around. The van just turned around. It just did a hard 180, and it's headed back to the Magic Castle. Oh, my gosh. All right. Peace out. Conan O'Brien needs a friend. with Conan O'Brien, Sonam of Sessian, and Matt Goorley.

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