Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend - Paul Scheer Returns

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

Actor and comedian Paul Scheer feels optimistic about being Conan O’Brien’s friend. Paul sits down with Conan once more to discuss the late night sketches that left an impression, why bombing onstage is better with friends, and taking trunk-or-treating too far. Plus, Sona gives a report from her participation at the assistants convention. For Conan videos, tour dates and more visit TeamCoco.com.Got a question for Conan? Call our voicemail: [phone]. Get access to all the podcasts you love, music channels and radio shows with the SiriusXM App! Get 3 months free using this show link: https://siriusxm.com/conan. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hi, my name is Paul Shear. And I feel optimistic about being Conan O'Brien's friend. Well, I hate to break it to you, buddy. Oh, man, no, I knew it. I knew it. It's a crush her optimism. But this is all for tax purposes. All right.

You understand that. Fall is here, hear the yell, back to school, ring the bell, brand new shoes. Walk and lose, climb the fence, books and pens, I can tell that we are going to be friends. Yes, I can tell that we are going to be friends. Hey there, welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. Join, as always, by Sona and Matt. Hi.

Nice to see you both. And we have a little bit of a follow-up we need to do today because our audio genius, Eduardo, was invited to speak. at a career day. Is this right? That's right. Why don't you tell us, Eduardo, fill us in case anyone missed the last episode where you set the table. No problem. So just to refresh the audience, I got invited by my cousin, who's a teacher at Altiloma High School, Mr. Morano, to speak to their students as part of a career day. Okay. To tell them what you do. To tell them what I do. And to refresh, we talked a little bit about,

well, these are high school students. None of us have any confidence. that they will know anything about this podcast. And so there was a concern that you would get up and say, okay, I work on this podcast, going to everybody needs a friend, and you'd just get blank faces, which would be totally appropriate and also make me feel better about the country.

Yeah. If young people didn't know us. So what happened? So, as you mentioned, I was terrified going into it, but thanks to you guys, everyone here participated and gave me some pointers. So I decided that night that we had the discussion

to put together like a five minutes, sizzle reel. Yeah, we thought maybe a sizzle reel would be good where you're showing them people, us with people they may, may like. Exactly. So I did that and I showed up and I got to speak to three total classes. About 25 students each, a total of 80 students, I think is what I counted. And I kept track for you because I wanted to report back as to who may be aware of your work. It was a total of seven students. Seven out of how many? 80? Okay. You know what? I just said it. Just do the percentage on that. Yeah. Less than 10%. Who am I kidding? I don't know how to calculate that. It's a little less than 10%.

Okay. It's a little less than 10%. Well, listen, these are high school students. Right. They probably know, you know, Tate McCray. Oh. You know what I mean? And listen, I'm the first one to tell you, I'm no Tate McCray. I'm the first one to ask, who's Tate McCray? She's a big, huge star right now. You know, I'm no Sabrina Carpenter, you know, and I'm no Duolipa. I'm also no ASAP Rocky, ASAP Rocky, you know. I like to spell it out ASAP. I know, but it's weird when you do that. I know.

So I get it. I get it. Now, am I wounded? Yes. I'll just say that I gained a newfound appreciation and respect for A high school teachers. That's a tough gig. So shout out to all of them. They're doing good work.

Yeah. And I also weirdly got an appreciation for people like you who get to stand in front of crowds. because at one point I like ran out of all my material and I was like, should I start juggling? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do I do here?

But no, it was great. It was a pleasant experience. What stars would they know that we've talked to? So I picked, as you guys had suggested, I picked Ryan Reynolds, I picked Iowa Debris, I did Billy Eilish, and then I showed some of your hot ones footage.

Was that just met with horror? It got laughs. Okay, okay. And then a little bit of, brief opening of the Oscars. Okay. Not that to me more part. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You just coming out to the other. It was Billy Crystal hosting. Yes, exactly. I love that. And this is a show called the Oscars. This is Billy Crystal. He did it the correct way. That's, uh, it's great that you did that.

I want to say six or seven kids raise their hand, but I bet more know who you are and are just no, you are shaking your head. Oh, you were shaking your head. No, they don't. That was between you and me. Oh, okay. I think a lot more. kids know of you. They're just, I think there's this nervousness about being like, I know

him. I made the mistake that when, because my cousin was taking role, these aren't normally his students. These were people who were assigned to his classroom, right, to see whoever was speaking that day. One person had the last name, O'Brien, and I confident it was like, you might know who he is. And she just looked at me like, who are you talking about, bro? Yeah, yeah. Tell him about the one guy. Okay. So, yeah. That was this daughter. The part that I was buried, I guess I buried the leap. The sweetest part was at the very end, one of the students that had raised their hands when asked if they knew who you were, came up to me at the very end.

He's like, hey, can I just say, I'm actually a really huge fan of Conan O'Brien. Oh, that's nice. He says he watched a lot of your clips for late night, and he had a piece of paper, like notebook paper in his hand. And he started to proceed to ask me, like, is there any way he could maybe? And he started gesturing that you would sign something for him. And I said, do me a favor. Can you write your name on the piece of paper, which I brought with me. His name's Kane.

I can't use his last name. But here's the piece of paper. Kane B from Altiloma High School. Oh. I love his kid. Yeah, he was a fan. He was very sweet, very sincere. And yeah, so I thought that was cool.

Well, Kane, listen, I love that you like our nonsense. You truly are one of a hundred. you're a one and a hundred person and yeah we'll we'll figure out someone to send him I think he wants you to sign that I want to sign this he literally gave me that paper thinking like if he could just sign this and I was like we'll hook you up Kane yeah maybe we could get them more than that you know for sure well let's let's see if we can elevate this for Kane what are we talking about here what can we get him a car yeah we can't get him a car okay but a t-shirt yeah we all

We also have, when we put in the electrical stuff here, there's a lot of ducting that's left over. He's back on ducking. We could sign some ducting. Yeah. Okay, Kane, you heard it here. Kane, you know the metal sheaths that go around electrical cables. I'll get you a section of that. I'll sign it to you.

No, we have some swag. We can sign some swag for them. Yeah. I think this shows that we're all really desperate to have high school students think we're cool, right? Isn't that what it is? I think they're the scariest. audience you can possibly have. I don't even try with high school kids. I would not try. I would, I would, I would flee the area. But, but if someone like Kane is out there, we'll make them

happy. Yeah. And they were great, by the way. Like, all students were engaged. I set up a little mini podcast set up where they can come speak on mic and act as a producer and stuff like that. I have to say, I'm glad you did this because anytime in my life I run across a teacher, I'm, I just tell them, I'm odd. I'm in awe of teachers. I just think it's the greatest profession. And I do think we have our priorities way out of whack in this country insanely because they are essential. They're just amazing, incredible people. And they change lives. And so my shout out to your teacher friend, what's the name? My cousin, Angel Marano, Mr. Morano. It's Moreno. Morano. Oh, God.

Wow. Yeah. Incredible. But sorry. RAP sign. Yeah. It's a rap. A rap.

Okay. All right. Well, cool. My guest today hosts the podcast, how did this get made? And unspooled, he also has a YouTube web series titled Dark Web. He is a lovely fellow, very funny, and I'm so glad that he could make time for us. Paul Shear, welcome. So great that you're here.

I love talking to you, and we realized, like, we haven't talked to you in a long time. There's much to discuss. Absolutely. And I'm just trying to remember, you know, because you would do bits on my show back in the day. What was our first encounter? Do you remember? I'm trying to remember it because it was a chaotic time. Well, you know, so girls were tearing my clothes off.

Okay. I'm tearing your clothes on. Giving you scarves and hats? Screaming women. Screaming women used to charge me and clothe me more. Here, sunglasses. They couldn't handle it. They're like, it's not good.

Well, it was really exciting to come on the show because it was my first, like, real foray into, like, real professional, like, acting. I had to join the, like... That can't be true. It was, man. Because we could not have been your first professional experience. I was doing shows at midnight called Robot TV, which is like an improvised show by robots for robots. Yes.

Yes. So this was a giant step up. This was, this is a huge leap for me. And even robots wouldn't watch it. I know. It's going to be big in a couple of years. We walked audiences so much. It was we had a guy on bass guitar playing like music that was not, that was not pleasant.

to hear, someone operating a slide projector, and we did the show at midnight. So people were leaving and drost. But getting, getting, where are you going? And that's a, by the way, this is my living. And that's how we all talked. We thought that would be great to have everyone just talking like, I am here. And we worshipped our God Landau, like Landau, Landau. Landau. I just love a robot being upset that people would be, I have slots to fill, lots to feed. We point at them, my port. So getting to go on your show was a giant, big deal. And a lot of the times it was in these bigger pieces.

So I was just talking about this the other day. There was a bit, and I don't remember the conceit, but it was like, oh, summer's over. So it's the return of the beach apes. And so we all sounds like, first of all, I have no memory, but it sounds exactly right. Us picking something that's completely... There's a fragment there, which is summer's over. Right. Now, most shows would have said summer's over,

so we're going to do a bit about dressing for fall. No, that means the arrival of beach apes. It was like the apes had like let the beach be open to humans during the summertime, and now we are back. So we all got... Aides don't hang out at the beach. We all got dressed up in these... You know, ape gorilla costumes.

And, you know, they had probably a couple good ones. It's so clear how this got greenlit. I know. I'm the guy that said, that sounds right. Also, if anything had an ape in it, I was immediately, yes. Oh, you have to do ape bits. We had one character, which was, they said, you know, of course, in Planet of the Apes, you saw Apes rode horseback. Behold a horse riding ape back.

And a horse came out on an ape's back. Anyway, but go ahead, Tinius, I want to hear about these apes. Your costume was not Primo. Well, look, you know, whenever you're in a situation where you have like 20 apes, the quality isn't going to go down there really quickly. There's always three good. It's like in a zombie film, the zombies that are closest to camera got the most time in the chair. And zombies, you know, if a horde is charging, the ones that are way in the back,

They just picked people with eczema. They just, they didn't even put it in. We had definitely, we look like sick dogs, like splotchy patches of fur ripped off. And we had to put on the feet. And if you know, like these ape costumes, they were like these big feet. And they drove us out to Jones Beach and they'd get over the sand dune. Oh, it's all location. Oh, sure.

Oh, yeah. Oh, we drove that. We drove like 45 minutes. Sorry. We were a real show. Yeah, this is network. We've got to get to the beach. And so.

we all hid behind this sand dune, like all 20 of us, and then someone yelled action. And then in these costumes, in the sun, with these big feet, we're trying to run up sand dunes to run at camera, like the beach apes are coming back. And that was it. That was it. The bit was just we ran up a sand dune. People were falling all over each other because he didn't know how to work the feet. And it was a bit that was just like, oh, the beach aches were back over the hill with like Congo music. And that was it. And your face wasn't even on camera. No. No, I mean, The majority of the bits I did, my face was, I was covered. I was in whale costumes.

It was great, though. It was the best, the best gig. This is an upgrade from the robot show? 100%. Well, I was getting paid. I was getting paid for that. The robots were watching at home and seeing Paul on late night and going, he's doing well. Everybody knows.

He's come up in the world. Robots, apes, cowboys. That's the hierarchy. Yeah, it is. It is. I would go home and I'd have a tape of all my, like, Conan bits and then show my parents. I'm like, look, I'm on TV. TV. Here's, I'm that ape. You see the one in the back with the patchy, the patchy, are you an ape? Are you an ape again? Well, at least he's not doing the robot show anymore. Yeah, that was, so that was like really, like just getting to hang out with everybody in that hallway. Because we'd be hanging out in the hallway, we'd wait, we'd go somewhere. I mean, the, the grossest thing I ever did for your show was a desk drive piece, right? So the desk would drive around. I would, I would say,

it's time to take the desk out for a ride. It's a beautiful day. Andy would slide over next to me and then using very primitive rear screen projection, I would put a steering wheel on the desk and drive it around. And they actually, because the bit was popular, they made it a ride at the NBC Experience store

where you could sit behind a desk and ride with Conan. And I've met people over the years that have said to me, now they're in their 30s, but they were like when I was eight and it was my, you know, I was with my parents in Rockefeller Center

and I took a ride with you. Remember? No, I wasn't there. I mean, you shook the hand of the fake robot at Disneyland and then asked Reagan, does he remember? We did a death drive piece where you were driving through the meatpacking district

before the meatpacking district was a fancy cool place. It was when it was a meat packing district. Yep. Disgusting. and we were Harry Krishna's. So again, I was in like, you know, a very small, you know, like just practically naked. And, you know, my body is not a sight to be seen unclosed, you know.

And especially back then, I was even worse. And I had a bald cap on. And you were, you said, oh, look, there's Harry Krishna's. And then you ran us over. Yeah. So then when you ran us over, we had to. You know, having fun with a hate crime. You know what it is.

These people are different than me. And a cue applause. As we did it, they're like, okay, now you guys have to lay down on the ground in the meat packing district, which at the time smelled like blood. Yeah. And it was disgusting. And I remember just being on the ground looking at the other people, make, how much longer do we have to be down? Because it smelled. And then, and we're like, no, no, I think we got to keep it going longer, longer.

So we were down on that ground for such a long time. And I remember it was one of the only times where I couldn't get that smell off because I was pretty much naked laying in like, you know, blood meat, you know? And it was like a viscera that was just out in the street. And I just remember like all of us coming home again in a van smelling disgusting. Yeah, it was well. But I wouldn't have missed it for the world because it was like, it was you're working. And I will say that.

that, like, the best moment of all time was when Kirk Douglas came on the show. Yes. He walked down the hall. He had a stroke. But he came out, uh, yeah, it was amazing. And he walked down this hallway and he grabbed my face and held it. And he's like, look at this.

This is amazing. This is what it TV is. Oh my God. And he was like looking at, you know, like, I'm in like, I'm in the body of a whale suit. He was next to a clown. A horse, a horse just went by on eight back. Kirk was like, a horse is on eight back. It felt electric every night.

You would spend the whole day there, and you did something because a show happened. And you would rehearse the bit with you earlier in the day. And everything was on camera for seconds. I mean, it was staring contest, whatever it was. So it was like you also could have like 15 people in, you know, just only be on camera for like five seconds each. I know.

I know. I can't believe. It was a definite era. because it's crazy to think about it now, but we had money to spend. Right. And so we would order up not just livestock, but we'd hire actors

and we'd have things built and crazy contraptions. And then sometimes we'd just cut them at rehearsal and you'd see like a depressed... Right there. A depressed, you know, whatever, Statue of Liberty made of sausages walking down the street.

That, you know, Bill Toll was up all night building that and it cost us 25, $100. It costs the national broadcasting company $2,500. And I'm like, eh, it doesn't quite work. It gets a laugh, but not the kind of laugh we want. You're out, sausage, liberty.

I was never thinking, what does America want? How can I appeal to America? It was, yeah. It's a very self-centered thing. It says, this is the shit I like. I'm going to do it. If they stop it, well, that's too bad. I always say, like, when people ask for advice, like, how do I get into comedy or how do I do it?

And it's like, it's less about how do you get in. It's more about finding a group of like-minded people. That will support it, right? Because failing on stage with people who are all dressed in robot costumes is a lot easier than failing on stage as one person and a robot costume, you know? And it's like, oh, you like it, great. And if you like it, then I am, I feel good, right? And then that's, and I feel like that. And by the way, this is how cults thrive.

It's true. I do have seven wives now, and they're very funny, and we all have a great. But, yeah, like, I think, you know, and I always, but it is, you're exactly right. This is, if you're on stage alone in a robot costume, you are an asshole or insane. If you're up there with two. Wow. Bold take. If you're up there with three of your friends.

Right. And you're all dressed as robots. You're in the best situation you can have in this world. By the way, you're reminding me of one of my epic failures, which was we were asked to do this show Stella. And in New York City, Stella was this like offshoot of what the state was. It was Michael Ian Black, David Wayne, and Michael Showalter. And it was like the most popular comedy show in New York. You'd see the biggest stand-ups get there.

It was like a modern Marx brothers. I loved it. Yes, it was this amazing show. And we got asked our improv slash sketch group, Respecto Montaubon, got asked. to perform at this. You really did not want an audience. I barrier of entry. Respect of Montaubon.

You have to first acknowledge. You get why it's funny that that's our name before you can enter the theater. We got asked to do a bit at the show. We're like, this is a big deal. And so, of course, instead of doing a bit that we were sure of,

we're like, we got to come up with a new bit that no one's ever seen, essentially testing out a bit for the first time ever in front of the biggest people ever. And we decided we were going to be the Blue Man Group. So we painted our faces blue. We're in these costumes. And the whole idea was that we're doing our Blue Man Group bit and one audience member isn't laughing at us. And then we're like upset with that audience member.

And that audience member is a plant. And we take her and we bring her backstage and you hear some yelling. and as we're backstage it cuts to a video clip and it's us like killing her or like she accidentally falls on a pipe she gets it through, she dies and then we don't know what to do and we have blood all over our blue faces

and we come on out. The video machine did not work. Oh no. So we go backstage and we're like, I don't hear anything. Do you hear anything? We don't hear anything. And we're rubbing blood all over our face

and we're getting all ready. And then we hear, projector doesn't want. work and now we're blue and bloody and we have no way to connect like from where the audience had seen us on stage to what the video was supposed to cover and and we can't talk because we're blue man group and we I forgot you can't do a meta thing where you explain those no we were like we are blue man group we're doing this bit and so and then but all of us were like we can't again we can't break character so we walk out covered in

and blue, we just walked off stage, and we just said, thank you. And then to complete an utter silence, audience did not know what happened. And we were crushed. But I remember, like, once we left that place, which we did immediately, you have to leave. If you bomb in a place, you can never go back. And in fact, you have to have the place burned down. Yeah, we were like, we need to commit our, yeah, we need to commit arson here to give people. The actual blue man group was shut down after that. We've got to find these guys. They had to shudder for three years.

But I will never forget the feeling of sitting in a bar with mostly blue and blood. We haven't been able to clear it off our faces sitting and drinking beers with these other people who are also like that. Just being like, well, we all went down together. It's so funny that you bring that up, that world of bombing. with an idea that you were in love with. And I have to say, there's the sting of bombing, but later, especially if you did it with other people, it can be one of the funniest things in the world.

It's such a funny memory. And being on stage, on camera, doing a national show with an insane idea, and it didn't land. And I know that people were welding last night to help make this work. There was actual... You know, unions were involved.

Engineers, unions. People had drawn plans. And you're there. And then, well, I guess, you know, I guess, uh, whatever, Hercules toilet was pretty mad. Oh. And people are like, creed, creed, creed, greet, greet, greet, greet. And I have to say, there was always part of me that was secretly delighted.

It's, it's, it's a show that goes on inside your own soul. Right. That's maybe the funniest show of all. But, but then you have to continue to stay on. stage because most people bomb and it's like, okay, next. And you have to be like, all right, we're back. And you, so I mean, I imagine your tolerance for like, you have to like digest it and then let it go immediately. No, there's no tolerance. I have very low tolerance to this day. It's just I might be a masochist, meaning it hurts a lot. And I didn't, I still don't brush things like that

off easily. If something doesn't go well, or even if a small thing doesn't go well, I try to pass it off says, well, come, you know, the audience got the show they got, or that's what happened. Right. But then I walk around for a week as if I've been shot. But that's like a 22, not a big boy. Yeah, a little shrapnel. I had a bit that, oh, I look back on it now, but it was the worst bit. Seth Myers was hosting the SPs.

Yep. All right. So I have to put in a little bit of context. During that year of the SPs, there was a riot that broke out. after the NHL championship. And it was in Canada. And there was this very famous image of a guy cradling a woman. And it looked like he was kissing her.

Oh, I remember that. Remember that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was, it looked almost like that World War II photo of like the, you know, the officer in the street. The VJ did. Yeah. And so, and so they're kissing in the middle of a riot. And Seth was like, okay, we'll, we'll do that bit.

Like, this is going to be, we have so many people. famous people in the crowd, you know, there's Gronk, there's this guy, and oh, we have the kissing couple from the riot. And so we were supposed to cut to me and Lennon Parham, Lenin's great comedian and we, as it cuts us, we're just kissing. Right. So now,

as I explained that bit to you, years later, that's how familiar the audience was with this bit. We start kissing. Crickets. So they didn't know the reference. They didn't know the reference at all. They didn't show an image.

They didn't do anything. They just said it. Now, now I'm sitting next to Brooklyn Decker, Jonah Hill, and I feel like Dwight Howard. You know, like we're in this like grouping of people and,

you know, cuts us dead silence. We're just making out, making out dead silence. Now the bit is contracted to happen three more times. Yes. Oh, no. And so I go,

well, they're clearly going to cut the bit coming back. No, they didn't cut the bit. And every single time it died, almost like then the audience got Matt, the second time I was like, they're doing this again? We didn't like, we didn't like this. No, we voted on this.

Yeah, yeah, this was. No, no, he is not to return to office. Yeah. And so like, then like the third time we're doing again, now the audience's angry ass. And I will never forget this moment. We had worked our way from the seats all the way to the stage. It was the final act of the show. Seth killing it, everything working except for.

this bit. And we're like, I was going out there with London. I'm like, okay, we got to do this one more time. And this is great. I'm watching Twitter. Just be like, this bit sucks. These guys suck. You know, it's like, oh, no. And we kiss. It gets nothing. And I walk off. And there's Jay Leno, just standing off to the side of the stage, denim on top, denim on bottom. And goes, yeah, yeah, didn't work. And I was like, like, that was being, I was like, yeah, it didn't work. It didn't work. Like, I know it didn't work, but be told, like, Jay Leno, you're like, eh, yeah. It was like, it was a mortifying fear. Never walked with my head so low.

Oh, my God. And a sports audience, too. I feel like they're even worse, right? The hardest audience. Aren't they hard? Oh, but you know. Not as hard as Leto. Yeah.

Look. At least he showed himself to be very supportive. That's the important. The, um, the, uh, he does that too. He hangs outside operating. room and when the patient flat lines he got didn't work

and the woman's crying that's my husband of 35 years heart stop Sunday I'm doing a live show on Sunday I'll be at the I'll be at the car show he wasn't even performing at the

SPs he was just there we couldn't save your son didn't work so anyway let's not get distracted or off on a tangent humans are good Um, I, uh, one of the funniest things, though, I don't know if it was the S Bs or what, but it might

have been the S Bs was, well, I think it was Will Ferrell came out as Harry Carey. Okay. Have you ever seen this footage? He comes out as the Chicago announcer Harry Carey, who's got like a big way of talking, kind of like this with big fake teeth. And Harry Carey is just slamming different, doing jokes on different people, uh, famous athletes in the audience. and they are not laughing and they're insulted and it's the funniest thing it's great it's great

because i mean it's it's just like watching snuff or something but i'm enjoying excuse me how do you am i right about that which was it was it jim uh 1998 espies it was will furrow's hairy carry yeah well ferris harry carry and i think he's saying things like you know you know john elway saved a lot of money because he he still didn't get it teeth fits and they'll cut to John Elway just staring and I love it. I'm sorry I'm I apologize that people had a bad time that night but I think it's wonderful I mean it is you look at me like I'm a horrible person but it's something about you don't like bombing but you're you laugh at other people bombing no no I'm not you're missing the point I love what will is doing I am pro will

it's really it's really funny to me and I think even if I was doing that and people were angry, I think I'd be laughing inside. I'd be falling apart. You'll appreciate this note. Norm MacDonald hosted that year. Yes, Norm MacDonald hosted, which is perfect. Yes, I knew Norm. Yeah, that's right. I knew that. Norm did that bit for one of the roasts where he just did old roast jokes that were like 1950 style. And it was like in a bomb in a room, it's one of the favorite things ever. No, and that's the thing too is there's bombing can be divine. Yeah. So you have taken this love you have for sometimes niche ideas that could only exist if a certain kind of show is around, but now the world, I think, has grown with you where you can do these podcasts, you do these other projects that are phenomenally successful and you don't have to make any kind of concession. The stuff that's in your head can be presented without any kind of filter, and it's like how did this get made?

is you and your wife and Manzoukis getting to do your thing. It's just hanging out and just doing bits with friends. And I think you're right, like this idea of getting to just make your own thing and playing to a niche audience. And, you know, I think you can play to big audiences too. But just being able to have an outlet where people like seeing the seams. Like, you know, if that makes sense, I do this show with Rob Hewbel called The Dark Web. And we are now in a world where we've pretended that our studio has burnt to the ground.

We've only been eating mustard and raw hot dogs. And now we have envisioned ourselves as hosts of a kids YouTube show. And we've actually made a guy. It will only be on kids YouTube now. Like we got it approved by YouTube. Like I'm like. Did they do any research on you? You're almost full circle back to the robot show.

I mean, 100%. We did a full kid show. And YouTube is. been very supportive, but like, you just can't associate it with the other thing. But it's like, yeah, and we just get to go down this weird path. And I don't know. I mean, it's for, I guess the idea is like you're not making it for anyone, but you're making it for the, that you think it's funny. Yeah. And I feel like it's so hard because people will tell you a million times, like, oh, that doesn't work. I remember one person, uh, when I was doing a sketch show for Fox,

they were like, oh, that, that's not funny. And that's a hard note to get because it's the only thing that you, well, it could be funny to me. It's not funny to you. It's like there's no one baseline of funny. No one ever says like, that's not dramatic. It's like, well, yeah, like it's like, dramas don't get judged the same way comedy is doing. I think it's weird. If they just put, I don't think that's funny. Right. That saves, that's, that makes them much more human to me. And then at least we can have a conversation. Yeah. And I don't think everybody needs to find everything funny. Like, you know, it's like you look at certain comedians. They'll sell out an arena. And it's like, that may not be my cup of tea.

clearly it's working. I don't think that they're not funny. It's just like it's not for me. Right. But then you also get to, I think when you get those bigger things through, it's insane. I did a thing for adult swim. Mike Lazzo used to let us make 3 a.m. infomercials. And he's like, whatever, as long as you just, like, it's got to be weird. And so I was like, I said to him, I was like, I want to make one where it's just like a hotel TV. Like, it just looks like you're in a hotel room. And this is like an ad for the hotel that you're in. And he's like, all right. And we got Ray Wise to host this thing. It was a

hotel that was clearly built on Native American land and they have come back to haunt this hotel and their and their transmissions getting like altered throughout it and they're being told like to leave the hotel and he's very like very much like Steve Wynn like

come in here and you'll get a massage and you'll die here and like you know and it was like and we could make a 15 minute long thing for, I mean, whoever's up at 3 a.m. Well, that was, too, the magic of, when you mentioned 3 a.m., the magic of making things and people will find or they won't.

Right. That's kind of a magic thing. We were on at 12.30 until 1.30. And I just always think that time slot helped us a lot. Right. Because there was no internet. People were seeing it and often thinking, is this really happening? Or am I just, you know?

Right. It's sort of like you're getting a mentality. Like, I used to love doing, like, these 11 p.m. shows because anyone who comes out for an 11 p.m. show is up for something completely different than people coming out for a 7.30 or an 8 o'clock show. Right, right. And it's like, if you're up at 1230, you're down to, you're down to go a little bit more. I had a different way of thinking of it, which is it's your fault. If you're up at 1230, you are complicit in this crime. And get ready for some apes on a beach. because you should be sleeping, you creep. So on the show, how did this get made, which I did once, and I think we did, how did this? Look who's talking.

Look who's talking, too. Yes. I think it was the second one. Yes. 2-0. Or T-O-O, sorry. That was crazy, what you just did. That was cruelly insane.

This man's having a seizure. But that feels like it would be the gift that just keeps on giving. The podcast is. is massively successful, there's no shortage of movies where you would say, how did this get made, and they keep making more of them.

Well, I think that that's the thing that we've loved is, you know that everything gets started with the best intentions. Any movie that I've been on, it's like, oh, this is going to be good. This is going to be, you know,

we don't see it, but it's going to be good. You know, it's like, no one goes in being like, this is a stinker. I think sometimes they do. But mostly not. Mostly not. Yeah. So you go into it,

you're like, you're, you know, and I think what's so funny is that we try to look at it from that point of view, like, well, this, this was the best of all, you know, everyone's trying to make something here. And then all of a sudden, your budget gets slashed and you just get ripped apart. And when we watch these shows, like Jason takes Manhattan, that's Friday the 13th, part eight. Yeah. He is in Manhattan for five minutes. Yeah. Okay. And it's Canada. And it's Canada. All right. Walk me through this movie. I don't, I don't know this one. So take me through it and Matt, jump in. This is your terrain. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's Friday the 13th, Part 8, Jason takes Manhattan.

Okay. It is taking place primarily on a senior cruise as they leave Crystal Lake, which I guess connects. That's the big mystery, is how Crystal Lake suddenly connects to the Hudson River? Yes. And they're on a two-night cruise to get to New York. So it's a cruise that goes from a lake in Canada, maybe? From New Jersey, technically, yeah. And everyone loves a cruise that starts in a lake in New Jersey and makes its way.

probably partially overland and get out and push the phone it's still a Werner Herzog movie and it's not a attractive cruise under it's a barge it's a barge it's a very much the ship they could get

for the movie yes yeah and do they try and make this ship look like something that people would want to try as a charitable word yeah they gotta see this because it's like an engine room

they go into at one point yes and they also they also have a disco, which is very small, but is the most unappealing disco. It's like a disco in an old age home. That's what it kind of feels like, it feels like, you know, and they also are trying not to make it too violent. So all the deaths are very, like, just push you.

Except the one guy gets his head punched off. Yes. A boxer. Punched off? Yeah. By Jason. So Jason takes on a boxer. And the boxer's trying to box him?

Yeah, the boxers, that's actually, I would argue, the funniest part of the film. I have a soft spot for this movie. Yeah, there are some good moments in it. There's a lot of cocaine within the characters in the film. They're on cocaine, so their reactions to Jason are odd as well. They're a little bit more ready to fight this man. Right. They're old people? Did you say they're old people? Well, I mean, this is a weird thing of 80s movies. Everyone who is in high school looks about 35. Yeah. And they might actually be young. I don't know. Ageing has changed in a way. Yeah. Yeah. But the It actually has. It has. You look at a movie and like a gnarled old Humphrey Bogart I'll tell you something kid

and you'll look it up and he was 34. Yeah. What was it like? Wilford Brimley and Coon was only like 49. He's much younger than than they put a picture up

of Wilford Brimley from Coon or the Natural and they'll say he's like eight years younger than Paul Rudd. And in the picture of Paul Rudd he looks like Oh, he looks like a scoop of Sherbert. He's delicious.

Well, I mean, I always think about, like, lethal weapon. Danny Glover's character is like, I'm too old for this shit. Yeah. He was 42. Yeah. You know, it's like, wow, all right. Like, he's the old man. I think we live in an era where no one, we don't really grow up.

We didn't go off and fight World War II. Yeah, that's true. We didn't start smoking when we were 15. We didn't have to, we didn't get shot at. We didn't live a hard life. Yeah. Well, we then didn't, you know, drink ourselves into oblivion every night after our soul-crushing job. We're on, let's improvise.

Let's get on stage and be robots. Yeah, let's be robots on stage. But first, my smoothie. Yay! How much? $15 for a smoothie? What a bargain. What a bargain.

That is a bargain. Well, time to get into my little electric car and go home. Yum, yum, yam, yam, yam, ym, ym, nine hours of sleep. Mm-hmm, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum, yum. Where's my apps, boo? I can't believe I can't find one. Oh, there it is! What the hell?

That's the whole world now. It is. It's weird. And I'm not doing the old man thing. I'm that guy. No, I mean, look, I did something weird. We have a trick-or-trunk at my kids' school where you can, you decorate your trunk like a haunted house. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. And anything that involves kids in the trunk of your car. Get in here. Get in there. It's a little thing we do with kids and trunks. I was told me a trick or trunk Oh I was We call it a trunk or treat

Oh okay I call it kidnapping We all have We all have our different fun names for it I did get in trouble One year for my trunk or treat Which was I thought this would be a really funny idea And do it you do need to explain what trunker

Because I still don't know what it is It sounds creepy So basically what it is On Halloween day It's a chance for the kids at a school Probably up to like sixth grade to trick or treat with their classmates. All the parents come.

They pop their trunk. They decorate their trunks in different ways. So, you know, like one person has a Star Wars trunk. One person has, you know, my little pony trunk of it, whatever it is. And it's cute. The kids go around from trunk to trunk. And it's a little bit of a Halloween parade. I never knew about it.

It didn't happen to me when I was a kid. It didn't exist. No, it didn't exist. Yeah. So this is like a special thing. It's kind of great to go to school and do it. I volunteer every year. I love doing it.

And in the beginning, I was like, well, part of the way, is supposed to be scary, right? And no. The answer is no. These are for young children. They should not be scary for them. I learned that's a right way, too. And so I thought it would be funny.

The theme of your life seems to be I didn't get the memo. When I didn't know. That these little preschoolers didn't need to be scared. Now, I thought it would be funny that I set up a San Diego zoo. And the way I set up the zoo is I got like some stanchions. I got a zoo uniform, and I also got a guerrilla costume. Now, you mean, you stole our guerrilla costume. I took it, I kept it, and I was like, one day.

Yeah. And I thought it would be funny to take my brother-in-law, strip him down to his underwear and undershirt, put him in the back of my car as if he was in a cage. And then me as the ape put on the San Diego Zoo uniform. And I was, like, waving the kiss over. So you're making social commentary as that. For preschoolers. Wow. So my brother-in-law's trapped in a cage.

I'm like, help, help. And I'm like, hey, check out. Here he is. And kids were scared of the ape who would kidnap the human. Yeah. Did they cry? There was a few kids that were very afraid to come to my trouble. He's okay.

He's okay. But we did mess up my brother-in-law's face. So he looked like he had been in a fight with me as well. You still didn't let you. So you bloodied him, as you did backstage with the taped piece. If you can't scare kids on Halloween, then what can you do? And you stripped his clothes off. If you can't terrify a three-year-olds, what kind of country do we have?

My son now always will say to me, he's like, you can't make it scary. Don't make it scary again. Like, I guess he had gotten some flack from other kids in the school that I went too hard on the truck retreat. So what are you doing this year? This year, I'm keeping it simple. It's an alien theme. Like the movie alien? No, no.

An alien is going to be popping out of my car. And I am somebody who works at Area 51, but I got one of those inflatable costumes. So the alien is grabbing me. And I'm like, my hands are like, wait a more. You did it again. You did it again. I don't know if that's going to help.

Yeah. Yeah. And I'm covered in acid and my face is melting. Oh my God. Okay. Well, um, anyway, Jason, Jason, Jason, Part A, you should watch it. I think you would like it.

We should bring you on. Jason takes Manhattan. Yeah. And they do, they shoot about three minutes of B-roll in New York and the rest is Vancouver. Okay, my, one of my personal favorites, and I, we may have discussed this, but the death wish movies are fantastic, but there's, but the further you go, the later you get in the canon of, of, uh, of, of, of, of, of, of, uh, of, of, uh, of, of, uh, the more insane it gets. Um, and there's one, I don't remember.

which death wish it is, but I watched it with our writer Matt O'Brien. And I just was the whole time I was in heaven, we were watching it together. And a bunch of old people live in an apartment complex. Okay. Whatever. They hear a lot of yelling and shouting and noise and they look out the window and a motorcycle gang has taken over the neighborhood and they've surrounded the apartment building and the old people are trapped inside. And they're terrified and they don't want to go out. They don't know what to do. They're trapped. They're old. They're scared. And they pick up the phone, they make a phone call, and then cut to JFK Airport, a plane lands.

Charles Bronson gets out. No, actually, I think specifically, he rides the bus. Of course, yeah, he's the man of the, and also the movie was so low budget, they didn't even want to pay for plane landing footage. So, he gets off a bus at the Port Authority. And it's Manhattan. He gets in, he's in the 30s, you know, he gets into a cab,

he starts driving, he starts driving north, and suddenly, and the cab's driving along. And then they cut, and suddenly the cab, it's still supposed to be in Manhattan, like up north in Manhattan, like 150th Street. But I think they're now shooting on a soundstage or they're in Syria. Bronson had a contract thing where he wouldn't leave California. He wouldn't leave California because his wife was there, Joe Ireland. Thank God you're here because I swear to God it switches to a completely different ecosystem, an arid desert that exists. and there's some fragments of a sidewalk.

And then Charles Bronson shows up and his solution, he meets with the old people and has tea. And then he decides, don't worry, I'll help you. And so he has a concealed, you know, magnum, and he walks around killing them. And it's insane. It's so brutal.

And he lacks the charm of, like, Liam Neeson. Like, when Liam Neeson is, like, fighting off 15 people, it's like, oh, it's like, he's got something. Like, Charles Bronson just goes like, no, shit this guy's head off. Yeah. Like, it's like, and it's, it's, it's, violent, by the way, speaking of insane ideas, there's a show I just saw it here in Los Angeles,

a comedy theater called Bronson Tonight. And it's Charles Bronson hosting a show as his death wish character. Is the impression good? It's great. And his monologue jokes are, you know, they're labored, but they're stories about, you know, running into these, these gangs of toughs out in the street. But he's trying, he's trying his best to host a very traditional talk show. He had an animal person on the show, and he's interviewing karate people. But it's like, it's no, it's a great, it's really scratched a niche that I needed to be scratched to watch that. Dana Gould, who's absolutely hilarious, does, he does Dr. Zeyas as a talk show host. So funny.

And it's, and it is note perfect. And what I love about the kind of comedy we're talking about and the kind of comedy that you've dedicated your life to, And wrongly, I think. Yeah, of course, very wrong. It is you come up with a premise, and it's just a big horse pill, and you get them to swallow it, and then you're good. Right. So Dr. Zayas has a talk show. Charles Bronson has a talk show.

Conan O'Brien has a talk show. No, it really is the same idea, which is someone who shouldn't have a show, has a show. But I think people, comedy tastes, have. I don't want to say that they've evolved, but they maybe have de-evolved or devolved. They, to the point where there's all this kind of attenuated, really cool concept-heavy comedy that people will turn out for and they'll watch.

And then there are shows like BoJack Horseman, you know, or really South Park. I mean, to think that South Park is one of the most influential shows it's been on for 30 years, I mean. Do you remember when that, like, I remember getting like a wave file of just like the Christmas card because it started off as a Christmas card. I got a pass-a-long VHS tape before that shows on, yeah.

So it was like, that was like, and it was a comedy currency. And I mean, that even started for me, you know, for lack of a better or, I mean, the jerky boys. It was like the tape that everyone passed around. And you'd be like, oh, have you heard it? And then it became a movie. And I remember thinking, how could this be a movie? And then I watched it and I thought, it can't be a movie. No way.

I just answered my own question. But yeah, that kind of thing is really interesting, the way that people find each other you want to, like, share. But it's fascinating now that whatever we're doing here, we're not trying to please anyone. We're just, I think, enjoying each other's company and talking to people and going off on weird tangents. I'm only bringing it up because I do think things have changed drastically from the way they were 20, 30 years ago. I think it's like important to be able to explore anything because anything can be a good idea or a bad idea. It's all in the execution of it, right? Because it's like you may hear something like, ooh, that will never, ever work.

But I think so many people are in this business. Before there's like this gatekeeping of like you can't, no, no, no one will ever like that. But if you can actually execute it your own way and show people, no, actually it works, then I don't know. That's what I think performing on stage, right? I love performing on stage is like no one can say no to this. that. And no one can say no to making them a video. No one can say no to us making a show for YouTube kids, you know, if we wanted to do it. And I think that... But someone should. Some I should. I mean, technically, we will be arrested. We will be arrested for that.

But I think that that's like it's, you know, because it's hard to sometimes explain that nuance, like why that would work, why that's interesting. Well, a bunch of this, you can't explain. You just have to do it. And the proof is in the pudding. You just have to, you do it. And then people go, people are laughing. Right. And they immediately accept. Oh, that was great. I always knew that would work. Right, exactly. And that's why I would be terrified to be an executive.

If someone said, hey, Conan, you've been in comedy a long time, and why don't you, we'll give you this job at, you know, Paramount or Warner Brothers, and you'll look at things and tell us if they'll be successful or not. I don't know. It looks like a funny idea to me. There's a great thing that gets passed around every now and then Paul Thomas Anderson's boogie nights. It's script coverage of boogie nights.

And it's like, this movie is terrible. The characters are awful. it's too long, and it's like this long thing written by a studio person about why they were passing on this script. And it's the script that he shot. And you have to look at him, like, oh, yeah, not everyone's going to see.

What if they found out that the guy who wrote the coverage had a small penis? And it was all just, it was all just rage. This is terrible. No one could have a penis over two inches. What is this, science fiction? What is that? He has a third leg?

I don't think so. Penises are tiny and they don't get bigger when you're attracted to something. And you go to doctors and they can't do a thing. Awful, boo! Pass on this. And then, what movies did he...

What movies did you like? I liked the tales of Little Weewee. This amiable chap with a one-inch people, Nails seven broads in one night Because that's the way ladies like it Oh my good All right, I should wrap this up

But let's get that made I'm ready to make the 10 Put it on YouTube kids Yeah Paul thank you so much for stopping in You're hilarious And it was a lucky day when our paths crossed And I'm just very happy that you are

wildly successful with all these really funny projects You know, and I say onward, go onward. Well, this is one of my favorite shows to listen to and you're just the best. And, you know, talking about comedy, I just want to say that your travel show is truly, like, I think this, like, one of the things that makes me laugh so hard. Oh, good. Oh, thanks. To me is like this, yes, you're amazing and this. You're hilarious, but that, like, it feels like you get to do this awesome sketch show that's, like, globe trotting that you don't ever get to see.

You know what? There are times where it's really. hard and I'm in a van. Yeah. And you're in a hot tropical climate and you're thinking, I'm getting, I'm no spring chicken. I'm still in a van and someone's telling me, okay, jump out here in this toga and tackle that guy over there who doesn't know you and somehow make it funny. But it's also, yeah, I'm constantly stepping outside my body and going, what are you doing? But I really love it. And I mostly love it's improv with people in other lands who often don't know who I, I am, and they don't even really speak English, but my happiest moments are when, if I can make

a little kid laugh or someone who doesn't know who I am and doesn't speak English laugh, because we're doing something pretty primal, then I'm happy. It's, it's just cool to know that as much as, like, I have a lot of respect for people who still get up and try to do, like, and do it. Like, you're doing, like, you don't have to be traveling all around the world. I do financially. They didn't tell you on the way in. I'm a terrible gambler. I need so many bets on this episode, even.

I don't even know. Paul, I bet a few million dollars that Paul will come in wearing a tank top. No! Oh, man. Banduel presents. Conan needs a friend. Over on under and when it ends in second?

Okay. I had to give money here, too. And then I'm arrested because I clearly control. when it ends. Okay, Paul, tell me that. Oh, wait, don't tell me. It's all right.

It's over a bite. Not long ago on in an episode, we were talking about how Sona was going to be a featured speaker in Q&A subject on a panel for an assistance convention. I think we want to follow up and see how that went. Yeah, I want to find out. But how did the, how did it go? The assistance convention. Here's the thing.

If you are going to go to like a summit or a convention, go to one that assistants run. Because anything you need is like within arm's reach. Oh, I bet. They think of everything that you might need. I was like, at one point I was like, I think I have something in my tooth. And I turned around and there was just dental floss. Oh, I thought you were going to say there's an extra tooth. Oh, you thought I was just going to take a tooth.

That's how good these assistants are. Yeah. There's a slight gap between my molar and my incisor. I mean, here's a tooth. Yeah. Well, I'm just curious. Okay. let's set the table. Yes.

This was a convention that you were invited to speak at an assistance convention and it's run by assistance? Yes. So the person who, I mean,

I don't know how much she wants me to give away but the person who started the organization used to work for Dick Costello who started Twitter. Yeah, okay.

And so it's all very tech heavy. They all work for like founders or CEOs or CTOs of like tech companies. The people they assist are like real. people as opposed to like some late night clown no you can say it it's just if i feel like the stakes for them are really high because they're like massive billion dollar corporations that their

bosses so what did they ask you and what did you see yeah what i really do think it felt like i was like a party clown they hired isn't this cute to give some levity to it i really do think that's what what i was there for it was a really because no one wants to hear you say well here are the 10 rules about being a good assistant. No one wants to hear that from you. What do you? I would like to hear that. What are the 10 rules of being an assistant?

Give them enough material to riff offa. Yeah. If your boss has one glass of wine, you have three on his dime. Make reservations in his name and then bring your dog to the restaurant. Okay. And you know that they won't toss you out. Yeah. Look for restaurants with at least $4 signs next to them.

Because, you know, he's going to be putting it on, no, you're not begging for it. I just, I had a, I had a lot of fun. It was beautifully organized. I got good laughs. I told, like, some really solid stories from our time working together. I bet, yeah. And it was, they loved, there's a lot of people who love you. They love you.

I love this convention. Yeah, it was really cool. How come come speak? Why have to overshadow me? You're right. I mean, you're not an assistant. Why would you be there? You know what? They did invite me first. And I said, why don't you let Sona have a little.

Then they invited me too. Isn't that weird? No, they invited you first. You said no. Yeah. I said I want and then I gave it to you. It was perfectly organized, great, great people. I really had a really fun time. It was awesome. Now, while you were doing it were you thinking, I could do more of these. Yes, I want to do it. But I talked to you about this. This is an avenue for you. And I like you to prosper. Not too much, but I like you to get. ahead in the world. Yeah. And I think about my godchildren,

your two kids. I want them to be able to go to college and stuff. So this is a, this is what? I mean, yeah, I know what you mean, but you made it sound like I can't do that now. And I need to. You spend so much on gummies. I spend, you know what?

You're making a joke. I'm not making a joke. But I spent, how much you spend on gumming? I love that you're whispering into a very expensive microphone. At least like 250 every time I order. How often do you order daily? Like,

daily. You think I buy $250 worth of gummies daily? I don't know you're losing teeth at these conventions. Oh my God. But okay. So you, how much you ingesting? Would you have one a night? Do you have two a night? I'm not, no, no. I do like a like a one, maybe five. If I'm filling crazy a 10 milligram at night after the boy's sleep. Just say 10 mil, yeah. So you do like 250 every two weeks or? Maybe even longer than that. Like, you know, it's like, it's like maybe a. monthly expense is $250 to $300 on gummies. Have you had a situation where... We're talking $3,600 a year on gummies.

Why did you do that? I'm just, just as your accountant. Now she needs another gummy to come down. That's a lot. You're saying I should do speaking engagements just to pay for my gummies? Yeah. Okay. But also, I'm saying you have a big life.

You know, you like the good things in life and you're going to want more. This is an avenue for you. and you could be right up front about it when you do speaking engagements like this is paying for my gummies. Yeah, that's true. I thought about it, but then I don't want to do like, you know, like Exxon.

I don't want to go, they don't want me to do. Do you know what they pay? Oh, that's a lot of money. I bet it is. No, I've had, I started out with principles and then. And then I was like, I was on stage like, yeah, you guys make the landmines. You don't have to tell us you're doing a podcast. Keep America.

Keep America moving, you know? Oh, no. No, I don't do that stuff. You should do gummy conventions. Do you think they have them? I bet. They have assistance conventions. Well, I know, but those, they know how to plan them.

No one shows up at the gummy convention. Just a bunch of empty seats. One guy staggers in. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just saying this is an avenue for you that you should pursue. I would love to do more of these speaking engagements, I think. Maybe like five a year would be great, you know, just to make some extra scratch. It would be fun. You got to make your scratch. You're going to get those gum gums.

But I also, I don't know who would want me other than assistance. Oh, you kidding? No, there's so many people you could talk to. I mean, the Armenian community would always like to hear from you. Yeah, I need to. I do a lot of Armenian stuff. I MC Gallas. I don't get paid for those. Oh, that's right. I don't. I don't get paid for any of those. Because a lot of them are a nonprofit. Like, what am I going to do? Ask my people for pay me a million. Yes. Exactly. Say cough it up. Let's go. You wouldn't do it. You don't, you don't, you do How many charity events? You don't get paid for those. No.

I always try and hit them up later on. I go by the Children's Hospital. And I say, where's my money? Please, sir. I have no leg. But you know what? It's funny. Being in a room with all these really professional people,

it does make me feel like I wasn't a real assistant. Like, I was an assistant to a very important figure. Like, but. You lost me on that one. No, I am. You know, you are a very big, important figure. And then, but they're like in a complete, it's like, it's like meeting, you know, Michelle Obama's assistant. Yeah, exactly. Who spoke there the year before I did. That's so great that they went from Michelle Obama's assistant to you. Yes. Yes. She's got like important places to be, important things to do. I know. That's what I'm saying. It's cool. And I, you know, I wrote a book called the world's worst assistant. And they asked me to be there. It was really fun. It was cool. I liked it a lot. If you've got a gig and you're hiring, Sonam of Sessians here, call 555-22-22. That number again is 5-55-22-22.

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