Consider This from NPR - Conflict in the Middle East is spreading. Is a wider regional war imminent?

Episode Date: October 1, 2024

The war in the Middle East appears to be widening, almost one year after Hamas launched its attack on Israel.For more on what might unfold from here, Consider This host Ailsa Chang speaks with General... Frank McKenzie, the retired Commander of United States Central Command.For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Email us at considerthis@npr.org.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Transcript
Discussion (0)
Starting point is 00:00:00 A dramatic escalation in the Middle East has heightened fears that the region is on the brink of an all-out war. On Tuesday, Iran launched nearly 200 long-range missiles against Israel. Sirens rang out across Israel as the attack unfolded. Iran claims the strikes were in response to Israel's killing of Hezbollah's leader Hassan Nasrallah last week in Lebanon. Iran has considered Hezbollah an important proxy against Israel, and it has armed the militant group for decades. The missile attack occurred just hours after Israeli forces launched a ground offensive into southern Lebanon. It is the first time Israel has invaded Lebanon since 2006. Consider this. Conflict in the Middle East is spreading. Is a wider regional war imminent?
Starting point is 00:00:57 From NPR, I'm Elsa Chang. NPR brings you the updates you need on the day's biggest headlines. The Senate narrowly passed the debt ceiling bill that will prevent the country from defaulting on its loans. Stories from across the world. Knowing how to forage and to live with the land is integral to a nice culture. And down your block. From CPR News, this is Colorado Matters. And you can find all of that and more in your pocket. Download the NPR app today. It's Consider This from NPR. The war in the Middle East appears to be widening, almost one year after Hamas launched its attack on Israel.
Starting point is 00:01:47 For more on what might unfold from here, we caught up with General Frank McKenzie, former commander of United States Central Command. And I asked him if he had a sense of Iran's calculations in launching Tuesday's attacks and what it all might mean for the wider region. The long-term goal of all Iranian foreign policy is regime preservation. They want to preserve the clerical regime. They don't get themselves into a situation where that regime is actually subject to direct attack by Israel or the United States or anyone else. So I'm a little surprised they're actually doing this right now because, to be honest with you, I doubt their ability to have genuine success in this attack. And now the Israelis will have the option to retaliate.
Starting point is 00:02:30 And the Israelis possess far more retaliatory options against Iran than Iran does against Israel. So I'm a little puzzled at this attack, although I would say they've been pushed into a corner a bit by largely the decapitation of their major ally, Lebanese Hezbollah. Things are not going well for them in Lebanon. Things did not go well for them in April when they launched the last attack on Israel. So you could see that Iranian thinking could be they need to do something now. Just you've got to be very careful that if you're going to do something, it needs to have a meaningful effect. If it doesn't have a meaningful effect, you're going to be in worse shape than you were when you began.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Well, just to put this in very real terms for people on the ground in Israel, what are the risks that they are facing at the moment? Obviously, these strikes are deadly or could be deadly. Can you just describe for people who are listening, what are the immediate direct risks for people on the ground in Israel? Sure. Well, people need to be under shelter, and that's why they sound the air raid sirens. You need to be undercover because even a successful intercept, there's still a lot of iron that's going to fall from the sky. And the other thing is, as you look at these missiles impacting, and I'm seeing some impact, remember that Iron Dome, Patriot, other systems make a calculation about intercepting a missile. If the missile's not headed for a populated area or a
Starting point is 00:03:45 vital target, you're going to let the missile continue on its track and explode harmlessly. So when you see missiles hit the ground, sometimes people think, well, they're having success. Well, not necessarily, because if the missile's not going for a vital area, which is in the ballistic computers that look at the track of the missile, you might let it go on. There's a lot of stuff falling from the sky. People should take cover, listen to notifications from the air defense system there, which is very good, very well plugged in, and will keep people apprised of what's going on. Well, as you look ahead, can you just tell me what is top of mind, your most immediate concern as you're thinking about how these simultaneous conflicts are unfolding right now?
Starting point is 00:04:23 Sure. I think the thing that people's mind will turn to next, what will be the Israeli response? It will be scoped to what happens in this attack. So if there's significant damage done in this attack, then I would look, I think, for a very large Israeli response. And they've demonstrated that they have the ability to do it. They've demonstrated they have the ability to operate almost with impunity over Tehran. They did that in April after the 13 April Iranian attack on Israel. So they have a lot of options if they want to take this war and really impose a significant punishment on Tehran. And so, you know, I think, again, I think though that will be scoped and scaled to what happens in the attack that is still in the attack period right now. You said Israel has multiple options.
Starting point is 00:05:11 What are those options at this moment to respond? Well, Israel has the ability to respond with, you know, with airstrikes. They have their own missile force. They have a variety of cyber options that are all available to them. Remember in the aftermath of the 13 April attack, they demonstrated profound technological superiority over Iran by operating essentially unmolested in the Tehran-Espahan corridor over Iran's most sensitive nuclear targets. And Iran was unable to prevent them from doing that. So Israel has lots of choices here should they choose to respond. That was General Frank McKenzie, former commander of United States Central Command and executive director of the University of South Florida's Global and National Security Institute.
Starting point is 00:05:55 This episode was produced by Catherine Fink and Michael Levitt. It was edited by Courtney Dourning and Christopher Intagliata. Our executive producer is Sammy Yannigan. And one more thing before we go. and Christopher Intagliata. Our executive producer is Sammy Yannigan. And one more thing before we go. You can now enjoy the Consider This newsletter. We still help you break down a major story of the day, but you will also get to know our producers and hosts and some moments of joy from the All Things Considered team.
Starting point is 00:06:19 You can sign up at npr.org slash consider this newsletter. It's consider this from NPR. I'm Elsa Chang.

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.