Consider This from NPR - Joe Biden pardons his son. Is that justice?

Episode Date: December 2, 2024

Hunter Biden no longer has to worry about going to prison.That's because his father President Joe Biden pardoned him with just weeks left in his presidency. The President's son was convicted in June on federal gun charges. Hunter Biden lied about his addiction to crack cocaine when he purchased a gun. And he pleaded guilty in September for failing to pay more than a million dollars in federal taxes.The younger Biden was due to be sentenced in both cases later this month.President Biden has granted his son a sweeping pardon. What will that mean for his legacy... and for the future of presidential pardons? For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org.Email us at [e-mail] more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Over the last four years, President Biden has often said he wants to restore Americans' faith in our legal system. He gave this speech a day after the insurrection, on January 7, 2021. Justice serves the people. It doesn't protect the powerful. Justice is blind. As Joe Biden's son Hunter has faced federal charges, the president has often said no one is above the law.

On ABC News back in June, days before Hunter was convicted on federal gun charges, the president told David Muir this. But let me ask you, will you accept the jury's outcome, their verdict, no matter what it is? Yes. And have you ruled out a pardon for your son? Yes. And have you ruled out a pardon for your son? Yes. Well on Sunday, just weeks before Hunter's sentencing hearing, the president reversed

course. He offered his son a quote, full and unconditional pardon. Joe Biden is certainly not the first president to use his position to help those close to him. He's not even the first president to pardon a relative. Also on this list just released from the White House, Jared Kushner's father, Charles Kushner, let's stick through these. Donald Trump pardoned the father of his son-in-law just before leaving office four

years ago and on President Bill Clinton's last day in the White House in 2001, he pardoned his half-brother, Roger Clinton. Today, some experts say President Biden's actions recall another moment in history. Good evening. Gerald Ford has been president for exactly one month, and today he got his first hostile reception. The reason was his surprise weekend action

of granting a pardon to his predecessor, Richard Nixon. Consider this. weekend action of granting a pardon to his predecessor Richard Nixon. Consider this. President Biden has granted his son a sweeping pardon. What will that mean for his legacy and for the future of presidential pardons? From NPR, I'm Ari Shapiro. It's Consider This from NPR. Hunter Biden no longer has to worry about going to prison. That's because his father, President Joe Biden, pardoned him with just weeks left in

his presidency. The president's son was convicted in June on federal gun charges. Hunter Biden lied about his addiction to crack cocaine when he purchased a gun. And in a separate case, he pleaded guilty in September for failing to pay more than a million dollars in federal taxes. The younger Biden was due to be sentenced in both cases later this month. Rachel Barco is a New York University law professor and was a member of the US Sentencing Commission and she's here to talk more about this pardon and how it could impact future presidential pardons. Professor Barco, good to have you here. Thanks for having me. Other presidents

from Bill Clinton to Donald Trump have pardoned allies, donors, even family members. Does this strike you as different from those? I think it's different in that President Biden had announced in advance that he wasn't going to do it. And so, you know, one issue for him is that he made a pledge that he wasn't going to do it. And then he went back on that pledge. It also looks like the language in this pardon is very, very sweeping. It protects Hunter Biden from ever facing federal charges for crimes that he could have committed over the last decade. How different is that from typical pardons? That is different, although it does meet the concern that President Biden indicated that

he had with respect to Hunter Biden, which is that he was concerned that he was being singled out and selectively prosecuted in an effort basically to get at President Biden himself. And so if that's your concern, the worry would be that the next administration, for example, could be going on a witch hunt for any number of possible things. And this kind of blanket pardon would avoid the ability for them to do that. Whereas, you know, if he tried to specify just this specific case, it wouldn't immunize him from that kind of, you know, if he tried to specify just this specific case, it wouldn't immunize him from that kind of That kind of aggressive behavior in the next administration I've read that the only comparable pardon with language as sweeping as this was President Gerald Ford's pardon of Nixon

Do you agree with that assessment? Yeah, that's correct, you know and similarly it's about an instance where we might think about what might be a politically motivated or a politically concerned kind of prosecution. And if you want to make it blanket to avoid any possibility that that person can still be prosecuted, that's the kind of language you need to use. So when someone with close personal access to the president receives a pardon like this. Do you think that shapes Americans' perception of the justice system more broadly? Unfortunately, yes. I think it starts to look like there's a different set of rules for people who are politically

connected and regular people. And it's particularly pronounced in the case of President Biden because he's had a really anemic use of his pardon powers in his time in office. I think he was probably waiting until the election was over and for a while we thought he was gonna be running. So my guess is he made a political calculation that if he was gonna do anything, he was gonna do it at the end.

But what it means is we arrive at today with a really weak record on clemency on his part. So very few people have received any kind of relief from him. And so it looks like he just singled out his own child, whereas I'm sure there's a lot of parents in America saying, hey, what about my kid? You know, he, she, they have a meritorious case and there's been nothing and, you know, followed all the rules, filed the petition, but still no ruling. And that I think is the problem when it looks like you don't have a functioning pardon system for regular people and it's just people who know somebody.

Yeah, I think that's important to highlight because we often hear about pardons when they are high profile controversial individuals, but thousands and thousands of other people who may be worthy of a pardon whose names most of us have never heard apply every year. And you're saying in most cases under the Biden presidency have been rejected or ignored Exactly, and he has a very low grant rate historically speaking It's really been mostly symbolic gestures on his part like the big announcement he had for Marijuana people who had possessed marijuana, you know that didn't release anybody currently incarcerated He inherited a backlog of 18,000 petitions when he took office and really just

hasn't made a dent. So it's a stark contrast to see the Hunter Biden pardon when you're looking at how the regular process has unfolded during his administration. And when you look to the future, when we think about somebody like Donald Trump who has promised to pardon the January 6th insurrectionists, do you think Joe Biden's actions in this pardon of his son affect the way future pardons will be perceived? Does it move the Overton window of what's considered acceptable? I don't think so. I think that President Trump was going to do whatever he wanted to do no matter what

President Biden did. You know, he basically said he was going to, and he himself has a record on pardons from his last time in office that was basically almost entirely cronies of his. So he clearly already has a vision of the pardon power that is about helping his friends. He had some regular people too, but it was overwhelmingly people who knew him

or people on Fox News. So I don't think this changes what he does. I think some, I have seen that some people have said well Does that mean the democrats lose the high ground in terms of how they talk about it? Um, and you know, there may be some truth to that But I think partly it depends on what president biden does in the remainder of his term if he has a really robust clemency Set of grants between now and when he's out of office I think it would help the case to say, no, you know, Hunter was the first of many people

that I know have received unjust sentences. That's NYU law professor Rachel Barco. Thanks for joining us today. Thanks for having me. This episode was produced by Brianna Scott and Catherine Fink. It was edited by Courtney Dornig and Nadia Lancy. Our executive producer is Sammy Yennegan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Ari Shapiro.