Consider This from NPR - Joe Biden's complicated legacy

Episode Date: January 19, 2025

When he ran for office in 2020, President Joe Biden vowed to turn the page on then president Donald Trump. But it's Trump who is returning to the White House for a second term in office. We speak with NPR's Asma Khalid, who covered the Biden administration, on the legacy he leaves behind. For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org.Email us at [e-mail] more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

On Monday at noon, Joe Biden becomes a private citizen. He's been holding office in Washington, D.C. for more than half a century. The youngest new face in the U.S. Senate next year will be that of Democrat Joseph Biden of Delaware. So young, in fact, that at the time of his election on November 7th, Biden was not yet old enough to serve. Yesterday, that problem was resolved. Senator representing Delaware.

Joe Biden's my name. I'm the Democratic candidate for the United States Senate. Mind if I ask you resolved. As a senator representing Delaware. Joe Biden's my name. I'm a Democratic candidate for the United States Senate. Do you mind if I ask you a question? No, go ahead. Do you believe politicians when they tell you something in an election year? No. Most of the time, no.

Would you believe me if I told you something as a politician in an election year? I could believe you for now, but what about later? As vice president. Since I've never been called a man of few words, let me say it as simply as I can. Yes, yes, I accept your nomination to run and serve with Barack Obama, the next President of the United States of America. And for the past four years, as President of the United States. Please raise your right hand and repeat after me.

I, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr., do solemnly swear. I, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr., do solemnly swear. That I will faithfully execute. It is fair to say that Biden is not leaving office the way he wanted to. When he ran for president in 2020, he vowed to turn the page on then-president Donald Trump. Here's Biden four years ago delivering his inaugural address.

We must end this uncivil war that pits red against blue. But on Monday, it is Trump who will once again take the oath of office and deliver a second inaugural address. Biden's presidency was dogged by middling to low approval ratings. And after a disastrous debate performance, Biden was pressured by leaders of his own party to end his presidential bid last year. And yet, Biden is leaving with accomplishments, measures signed into law that will affect the country

for decades to come, like the trillion-dollar infrastructure investment law. It will take time to feel the full impact of all we've done together. But the seeds are planted and they'll grow and they'll bloom for decades to come. Consider this. Now that Donald Trump is returning to the White House, Biden is the only one-term president of the past three decades. What mark did he leave on Washington and the country?

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It's Consider This from NPR. President Biden is spending the last full day of his presidency in South Carolina. As Biden has said repeatedly, without South Carolina, he never would have been president. That was the pivotal state that helped revive Biden's fledgling campaign in the 2020 presidential primaries. Tomorrow, Biden's predecessor and now successor, Donald Trump, will take the oath of office

and return to the White House. And to mark this moment, we are joined by somebody who can give us the long view on Biden. NPR White House correspondent, Osma Khalid, who along with me covered that Biden 2020 campaign, his time in the White House. Osma covered that truncated run for a second term. Hey there, Osma. Hey there, Scott. So you and I were covering it earlier this week. The president gave his goodbye, a farewell

address from the Oval Office. After 50 years of public service, I give you my word. I still believe in the idea for which this nation stands. Nation where the strengths of our institutions and the character of our people matter and must endure. Now it's your turn to stand guard. May you all be the keeper of the flame. Now Osma Biden has been trying in many different ways to shape his legacy on his way out the door. He tried to do that in his speech, but it was also interesting. He had a dire warning. He did. And Scott, it was a warning that genuinely surprised me. Today, an oligarchy is taking shape in America of extreme wealth, power, and influence that

literally threatens our entire democracy. And that word oligarchy, I mean, that is the first time that he has used the idea of an oligarchy in an American context. He went on to warn against the idea of a quote tech industrial complex. He said there's a small group of ultra-rich people who have too much power in the country and he said that it could have dangerous consequences for misinformation and for policies like climate. You know Scott what was so striking to me about this final speech is that he did not explicitly ring the alarm bells about the next president. He didn't name check Donald Trump once.

And that was so interesting because he raised that alarm so many times throughout his time in office and it seemed like one of his major goals was to turn the page on Donald Trump. Obviously that didn't happen. And I think that gets to the next question, Asma. On one hand, when you talk to Biden and his allies, and I feel like you especially heard a lot of this this past summer when he dropped out of the race, his allies will make the argument, Joe Biden is one of the most consequential presidents of the last half century when it comes to things signed into law. And at the same time, Joe Biden is somebody throughout almost the entirety of his presidency. He was deeply unpopular. He leaves office deeply unpopular with the American public. How do you sort through that?

Well, let's start with the approval ratings. I mean, you are right that a majority of Americans disapprove of how Biden has performed as president on a whole range of issues. You can look at the economy, immigration. But at the same time, Biden has invested billions of dollars in infrastructure projects with the goal to make more things in America. And the other night in that farewell speech, he tried to make the case that it's going to take time for this all to really be understood. It will take time to feel the full impact of all we've done together.

But the seeds are planted, and they'll grow and they'll bloom for decades to come. You know, but right now, in this moment, people see Biden as a one-term president who had really hoped to turn the page on Donald Trump. He had described Trump as a threat to democracy, but now, of course, we are seeing Donald Trump return to the White House. Any thoughts on why ultimately Biden was so unpopular? You know, he is blamed, often blamed, particularly among Republicans for inflation. And while, you know, yes, the White House could have recognized people's financial

pain perhaps more quickly, controlling inflation is largely the purview of the Federal Reserve. And Biden believes deeply in the independence of the Fed. Biden has also been blamed for how he handled, or you could say mishandled immigration. You know, initially under Biden, the number of people crossing the border without authorization soared. And the president did not act quickly enough

to get that situation under control. I will say, Scott, there are a number of issues that made Biden unpopular. I think you could look, for example, at the war in Gaza. He was routinely protested by people on the left as he traveled the country. You know, he did manage to get this ceasefire hostage deal through last week, just as he was leaving office. But it is a plan that the incoming president, Donald Trump, is taking credit for. And I think it's a valid question whether or not this deal would have actually happened without Trump. His

Middle East envoy was also involved in the negotiations and Trump had said that if the hostages were not freed by his inauguration there would be hell to pay. So let's get to the big question that so many Democrats have been frankly angry about over the past year. Given that unpopularity, given Biden's advanced age, why did he decide to run for reelection initially? You know, Biden didn't seem to understand the mood in the country. And I will say he seemed out of touch, perhaps even with parts of his own party. You know, many people, including Democrats, thought that he would be too old, 86 years

old at the end of a possible second term. When he ran back in 2020, given his age, the thought was that he was going to be a one-term president. And last summer, shortly after he bombed that debate against Trump, he held a press conference and I asked him about his decision to run for reelection. In 2020, you refer to yourself as being a bridge candidate for a younger, fresher generation of democratic leaders. And I wanted to know what changed. What changed was the gravity of the situation I inherited in terms of the economy, our foreign policy, and domestic division.

I think, Scott, what this comes down to is the fact that Biden felt that he was the best option to defeat Trump. But that decision to insist on running for reelection and not drop out until July prevented a real democratic primary from taking place. And it shortened up the campaign for his party. Let's end with the long view. Let's zoom out. What do you think some of the accomplishments are

that Biden will be remembered for? What do you think, as he said in that clip we heard earlier, are some of the things that maybe won't come into fruition for a long period of time, but will be Biden administration accomplishments? You know, whether or not you approve of Biden as president, it is an accurate assessment that he has made, certainly massive investments in things like infrastructure, clean energy and semiconductors. Most presidents get one major bill through Congress in their first term. Biden managed to get several legislative wins through to really reach these sort of historic levels of spending,

not just to improve bridges and airports, but to fundamentally make more things in America so that the United States doesn't rely on competitors like China for some of the things that he sees as being really vital for national security. You know, for years there was this idea of industrial policy, and that is the idea of using huge infusion of government money to reshape the economy. And it was taboo here in Washington. Biden, though, openly embraced it, and that also spurred investments from private companies. A whole range of new projects and investments

have been announced in a range of states, in a range of places, including a number of Republican-controlled congressional districts. That was NPR's Osmahallid. This episode was produced by Jordan Marie Smith and Brianna Scott. It was edited by Roberta Rampton, Adam Rainey, and Jeanette Woods. Our executive producer is Sammy Gatigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Scott Detro. For every headline, there's also another story about the people living those headlines.

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