Consider This from NPR - The Stolen Election Lie Keeps Spreading, Here Are Some Of The People Responsible

Episode Date: July 7, 2022

Donald Trump's lie that the election was stolen from him continues to spread. That's, in large part, because of a group of people crisscrossing the country, spreading false claims about voter fraud. N...PR's Investigations team used social media and news reports to track four key figures in the movement: MyPillow CEO and longtime Trump supporter Mike Lindell, former U.S. Army Captain Seth Keshel, former high school math and science teacher Douglas Frank, and former law professor David Clements. NPR's Miles Parks explains their findings. In participating regions, you'll also hear a local news segment to help you make sense of what's going on in your community.Email us at considerthis@npr.org.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This message comes from Indiana University. Indiana University performs breakthrough research every year, making discoveries that improve human health, combat climate change, and move society forward. More at iu.edu slash forward. Ruby Freeman and her daughter Shea Moss were election workers in Georgia during the 2020 election. Do you know how it feels to have the president of the United States to target you? They were driven into hiding when then-President Trump's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, falsely accused Ruby and her daughter of rigging the election against Trump. The president of the United States is supposed to represent every American, not to target one.
Starting point is 00:00:46 But he targeted me, Lady Ruby, a small business owner, a mother, a proud American citizen who stand up to help Fulton County run an election in the middle of the pandemic. And Lady Ruby, she wasn't the only one targeted. The January 6th committee has been hearing testimony from people whose lives have been upended by the lie that the election was stolen from Trump. Among the people who've testified is Ruby's daughter, Shay. She's also an election worker. A lot of threats, wishing death upon me, telling me that, you know, I'll be in jail with my mother and saying things like, be glad it's 2020 and not 1920. Also called as a witness, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, who resisted Trump's efforts to, quote, find the votes necessary for him to win
Starting point is 00:01:45 Georgia. After the election, my email, my cell phone was doxxed. And so I was getting texts all over the country. And then eventually my wife started getting the text. And hers typically came in a sexualized text, which were disgusting. Raffensperger's deputy, Gabriel Sterling, publicly disputed Trump's claims of election fraud, and he received threats as well. There was a particular tweet that, for lack of a better word, was a straw that broke the camel's back. It said, had his name, you committed treason, may God have mercy on your soul, with a slowly twisting gif of a noose. Even the Republican speaker of Arizona's House, Rusty Bowers, who resisted the pressure from Giuliani and Trump to decertify Arizona's electors, was the target of harassment.
Starting point is 00:02:29 Panel trucks with videos of me proclaiming me to be a pedophile and a pervert and a corrupt politician and blaring loudspeakers in my neighborhood and leaving literature both on my property, but arguing and threatening with neighbors and with myself. Consider this. Since the violence at the U.S. Capitol on January 6th, Donald Trump's election lie has continued to spread, thanks in large part to a group of people crisscrossing the country, spreading false claims about voter fraud. The NPR investigations team has been following these people.
Starting point is 00:03:10 Coming up, we'll tell you what they found. From NPR, I'm Elsa Chang. It's Thursday, July 7th. This message comes from NPR sponsor, Sotva, the comfort company. Sotva luxury mattresses are sold online and priced at about 50% less than mattress stores. This message comes from WISE, the app for doing things in other currencies. Send, spend, or receive money internationally, and always get the real-time mid-market exchange rate with no hidden fees. Download the WISE app today or visit WISE.com. T's and C's apply. It's Consider This from NPR.
Starting point is 00:03:51 While the January 6th committee continues to debunk claims of fraud in the 2020 election, the lie continues to spread. NPR's investigations team tracked the grassroots effort that has been circulating false information since the attack on the U.S. Capitol. NPR voting correspondent Miles Parks has more. Carly Koppis runs elections in Weld County, Colorado. On a recent Wednesday morning, she's reading through her email. Traders will be exposed. These guys are going down and you have no chance. Over the past year and a half, she's gotten more and more messages like that,
Starting point is 00:04:27 accusing her and her colleagues of election fraud. You deserve everything coming your direction. Bless the Lord and glory to God. Isaiah 45.7. A big part of that tone shift can be traced back to April of 2021, Kappas said, when a guy named Douglas Frank came to town with a presentation on election fraud. It started because of, you know, Dr. Frank and his really bad data analysis. Him and his people, unfortunately, just don't know how to read election records correctly. Frank is a high school math and science teacher from Ohio who's taken his election conspiracies on tour full time.
Starting point is 00:05:07 When he came to Colorado, Frank took over a hotel conference room. He gave a presentation to dozens of people, including the Republican activist who posted this video of the event on Facebook. He's pointing at a PowerPoint with charts and
Starting point is 00:05:21 graphs and making a well-worn claim among election deniers. I'm here too. I'm here too. Are you here? Yeah. You've got more people voting than you have people. You have more people voting than you have people, he says. That's a common election fraud myth that comes from mixing up population and voting data.
Starting point is 00:05:40 And it's been debunked numerous times, including recently by a Republican-led oversight committee in Michigan. Over the past two years, the election denial movement has moved from Donald Trump's tweets to community events like that one, led by a core group of election denial influencers. An NPR investigation tracking them over the last 18 months found four in particular with large followings who travel widely. Douglas Frank. You know, I didn't serve in the military. I didn't serve my country in that way. And so this is my tour. Mike Lindell of My Pillow Fame. Now that I know we have that big of an audience, I should start talking about the election crimes, right? Retired Army Captain Seth Keschel. We have a real pandemic in this country, and it is called chronic electile dysfunction.
Starting point is 00:06:30 And former law professor David Clements. This is a spiritual battle. And last point, it's the machines. It's the machines. It's the machines. The four either declined our request for comment or didn't respond. But we tracked their movements using social media and news reports and found that since last year's attack on the U.S. Capitol, they've appeared at at least 308 events in 45 states and D.C. The group know
Starting point is 00:06:58 each other and often repeat each other's talking points, but they don't necessarily coordinate their efforts. Our investigation found that the scale and reach of the election denial movement has grown into a nationwide force, beyond swing states. And despite the January 6th committee's investigation and efforts to fight disinformation, Chris Krebs oversaw election security efforts at the Department of Homeland Security through the 2020 election. He says there's been a noticeable shift in strategy. It's this constellation of election conspiracy theorists. Rather than going at the national level, they've kind of decentralized post-January 6th
Starting point is 00:07:35 and really trying to affect change at the lowest possible level. But they also seem to spur action by regular people who are inspired by their almost evangelical intimacy. Here's Clements at an election integrity event in a church gymnasium in Idaho. Let's say a prayer. Let's repent. Let's have an accounting for why we got into this mess. In Colorado, there's been a clear chain reaction since Doug Frank's visit. Take Jim Gilchrist. He's a doctor of holistic medicine in Pueblo County, Colorado. He already had doubts about the 2020 election
Starting point is 00:08:08 and was looking for ways to get involved when he stumbled across one of Frank's videos. I just kind of wish there was some way of making sure the vote was counted correctly. And so Douglas Frank kind of offered a solution that we could do as citizens. Inspired, he started volunteering with a canvassing group. And he says he spent more than 20 hours knocking on doors in Colorado last summer. And this kind of canvassing for fraud has popped up in a number of other states as well. But the leaders of this movement don't only target regular people. NPR found that over the past 18 months, the four election denial influencers
Starting point is 00:08:46 either met or appeared with at least 78 federal, state, and local elected officials, many of whom will have a role in how future elections are run and certified. Here's Mike Lindell at a rally in Arizona that was attended by at least three sitting members of Congress. Our voice has gotten bigger and bigger every single day since last year, and you can't stop that. So we will, we will get our country back, and God bless America. The men also worked to persuade officials to embrace voting misinformation, like one meeting last spring between Frank and staff from the Ohio Secretary of State's office. Through a public records request, NPR acquired audio of the meeting, which lasted more than two hours. The staffers pushed back on Frank's many fraud accusations.
Starting point is 00:09:36 And at one point, he responded by threatening to send unauthorized people, or as he put it, plants, into election offices. We have plants everywhere that go into buildings when your machines are on and capture your IP addresses. And we have those, not necessarily in Ohio, but we can arrange for that. So what all I'm trying to point out to you is that this is coming. Be ready. And I'm not trying to fight you. Do you see that I'm trying to help you? The staffers in that room didn't budge. But shortly after that meeting, someone did attempt to breach an Ohio County's election network, though officials say no sensitive data was accessed. It's been a rapid rise in prominence for a group of men who, other than Lindell, were mostly unknown before the 2020 election.
Starting point is 00:10:24 But now they've become influencers of a sort. They've even got merch promoting products along with election disinformation. Body lotions, t-shirts, and the ubiquitous MyPillow often are part of the roadshow. There's two pillows and some sheets because you're going to need them to sleep at all. The events almost always include instructions, too. At one David Clements event NPR attended, he ended his presentation by begging people to show up at the offices of their county commissioners. They respond to fear, he told them.
Starting point is 00:10:57 And maybe predictably, election officials have felt a ripple effect from messages like that. Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson says her office has seen a direct correlation between election denier events and harassment. Whenever there is an appearance in which the former president or Lindell or others come out attacking our system, we know to expect an uptick in threats and add additional security as a result. But the people in charge of America's elections have not figured out a perfect way to fight back. That's because election denialism has grown from a political movement into something almost religious, says Kappas,
Starting point is 00:11:35 the county clerk in Colorado. Some of these people really truly believe they're doing the Lord's work. But I think, you know, at the end of the day, it has, they so desperately want to believe what they're being fed that they're using all means to justify what they're doing. an elections expert at the University of Southern California, says she and Americans everywhere need to keep trying. Because at each one of these events, the election denial movement pushes the U.S. closer to the brink. I think it's an existential threat to American democracy. Tolson describes herself as an optimist, but she says democracy's survival isn't inevitable. That's never been the case.
Starting point is 00:12:24 It's always been the case for over 200 years that people have fought for this. And we just have to continue fighting. Ahead of the midterm elections, it's a fight that's moved out of the limelight and into hotel conference rooms, car dealerships, backyards, and church banquet halls all across the country. That was NPR voting correspondent Miles Parks. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Elsa Chang.

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