Consider This from NPR - Trump's tariffs and rhetoric strain historic Windsor-Detroit friendship

Episode Date: February 23, 2025

President Donald Trump's tariffs and comments about turning Canada into the 51st state have tested U.S. relations with the country. One example is the deterioration of longstanding bonds between Detroit, Michigan and its neighbor across the river, Windsor, Ontario. NPR's Don Gonyea is a Detroit native and current resident of the city. He's had a front row view to changing attitudes between the two populations who have long enjoyed a very friendly, symbiotic relationship.For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org.Email us at [e-mail] more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

As a Detroit native and current resident of the city, I've had a front row seat to what Donald Trump's proposed tariffs are doing to U.S. relations with Canada, not to mention his recent comments about turning it into the 51st state. In fact, there may be no better real-time example of the deterioration than the long-standing bond between my hometown and its neighbor across the river, Windsor, Ontario. As the auto parts capital of Canada, Windsor's economy and identity has for decades been linked to the Motor City. According to government data, Ontario has more than 100,000 automobile jobs, not counting the spin-off jobs. And the two populations have enjoyed a very friendly symbiotic relationship since way

back before my time. But consider this. As Trump threatens to annex one of the U.S.'s closest allies and hit products crossing the border with 25% tariffs, the historic harmony between these two sister cities is already starting to fray as Windsor residents deal with Trump's policies and rhetoric. MUSIC From NPR, I'm Don Gagné.

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could look across the Detroit River to Canada not even a half mile away. This is the busiest commercial border crossing in North America. The Ambassador Bridge is right there to our right, a still under construction second span called the Gordie Howe International Bridge, named after Canadian native and Detroit hockey great Gordie Howe. And that bridge to me, named after Howe, symbolizes the many connections between the US and Canada and this narrow span that separates them. I grew up on the Detroit side watching Canadian television, listening to Canadian radio stations. Hockey night in Canada was a regular staple in our house. Friends on the

Windsor side work in Detroit, come over to watch Detroit Tigers or Detroit Lions games in person. Detroiters eat in their restaurants. Windsorites eat in our restaurants. It's just kind of amazing the connections between the people of these two cities. All of this place kind of wrapped up in a single identity, some of us Americans, some of us Canadians. We then made the very short drive across the river and pulled out our passports at the

border. At the checkpoint, we got the standard questions. Where are we headed? What's our business in Canada? Do we have any weapons in the car? Then the customs officer quickly turned into a concierge giving us recommendations for lunch. What's the restaurant called? It's called Twisted Apron. It closes at 3. Thank you so much. Enjoy. Alright, thanks.

Welcome to Canada. Have you ever had a border crossing experience like that? I really, really haven't. And that kind of hospitality isn't just on the Canadian side. In fact, there's a pretty famous bus tour run by a local Windsor business that takes Canadians into Detroit for an hour's long bar crawl. We're taking you on a boozy adventure through the grittiest, most iconic dive bars the Motor City has to offer. You'll hop on the most epic party bus of your life,

where the good times roll and the karaoke never stops. Between bars, you and your crew will be belting out your favorite tunes and living it up like rock stars. These tours are legendary and sell out faster than you can say cheers. So, do you have your passport ready? That voice is Adriano Ciotelli who runs Windsor Eats, an event planning business that highlights local food and activities around Windsor.

But he says Detroit was always included. Visiting sporting games, events, concerts, That's almost a rite of passage for a lot of Windsorites to kind of jump on the tunnel bus, head over, get dropped off on Detroit and just wander around and just enjoy a day or two or a weekend in Detroit. And while it's been an extremely popular piece of his business, usually selling out even in the colder months, he's also aware that the tours really help out some of those smaller bars on the Detroit side. There's another one in Hamtramck, which would reach out to us after every tour and essentially

tell us, you know, you made us able to keep our lights on at the end of the month. They were so thankful every time that we would visit them. But since Donald Trump's reelection and all the rhetoric that's been hurled at Canada... I think they have to become the 51st state. ...Windsor Eats made the tough decision to pause the beloved Detroit bar crawl. And it's unfortunate that, you know,

in the grand scheme of things, it's little businesses like this that are, and people that are going to be hurt. Chattelli calls what the U.S. administration is doing a very personal attack. It's kind of like when your best friend goes and stabs you in the back. It's a common threat among Windsorites,

we interviewed, a sense of betrayal. And though the potential tariffs are the more immediate and economic threat, as Trump lays out here. Canada you know they're gonna have to pay tariffs on automobiles, lumber and oil and gas etc etc. It's Trump's repeated talk of Canada as the 51st state that really seems to rile people up the most. You know it's just sort of preposterous for us to think about this, that we're at this point in time and we're not even quite sure how we got there. That's Windsor Mayor Drew Dilkens. We drove to his office at City Hall downtown where we saw many flags in red and

white with the iconic maple leaf hanging from apartment balconies and local businesses. Dilkens is also a big fan of the Tigers and the Lions, and just like many Windsor natives, has many fond memories of traveling into the U.S. to cheer on Detroit's sports teams in person. And remember when Canadian hockey fans booed the U.S. National Anthem at an NHL game in Montreal this month. Choir singing Then, a few nights ago, U.S. fans in Boston

reciprocated by booing the singing of O Canada. Choir singing Mayor Dilkens is saddened by all of it. But even as he has taken steps, official ones, to make a statement. He ended city subsidies for a transit service that helps fund an hourly commuter bus to Detroit for his constituents. I just can't act as an economic engine to Detroit at a time when we're being economically threatened by the President of the United States. I just can't get my mind around it. And one more thing got sacrificed as relations started to ice over.

The mayor pulled the city's sponsorship of the annual Detroit Grand Prix. And in true Canadian form, let me tell you, I apologize for having to do that. And I recognize it's a pebble in the ocean, like the rippling. I'm not changing the world by doing these two things, right? But it's a signal. Dilkens knows that stuff like cancelling bus lines and sponsorships might seem small. I don't have any other arrows in the quiver. I have nothing else I can fire back. I have nothing else I can do.

I have no other way except using my voice to express my dissatisfaction and my feeling about this. A sign of more than just hurt feelings, he says he's even heard rhetoric accusing Canada of taking advantage of the U.S., specifically within the auto industry. And he has a passionate response to that as well. No, we built it together.

We have built this thing together. When Chrysler announces they're building a new car factory in Detroit, we would light fireworks off here because we think that's amazing for our region. Just as you should celebrate when we build a $6 billion battery factory, that raises your boat as well in the United States. It's great for everybody. Meanwhile, in a recent speech, the chairman of the Ford Motor Company

warned that the threatened tariffs and their impact on tight supply chains would, quote, blow a hole in the auto industry that would affect both countries. Mayor Dilkens, meanwhile, says it's more than pride that it's all very scary. And none of us are foolish enough to think that the United States doesn't have the military might, if they want and choose, to take over Canada. We'd put up a good fight, we'd probably lose, we know that.

But the thought that that's where we are, all of a sudden with a snap of a finger, is abhorrent to us. You have to understand Canadians, like they'll just become more, it's a rallying cry to pull together even tighter. So as evening approaches we head back over the river and into Detroit. Our next stop is one of the dive bars from the cancelled tour. Then we get a text. Oh it's her. It's the bar owner. She won't be there. In fact, she says they're not open much anymore these days. This episode was produced by Lauren Hodges and edited by Megan Pratz. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan.

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