Consider This from NPR - Violence in Iran and Lebanon Prompts Concern Israel-Hamas War Could Expand

Episode Date: January 3, 2024

Twin bombings in Iran and a senior Hamas leader killed in Lebanon are just two recent events that are prompting concern that the war between Israel and Hamas could be expanding to other parts of the M...iddle East.NPR correspondents Jane Arraf and Peter Kenyon, both with deep experience in the region, talk to All Things Considered host Mary Louise Kelly about the days events, and what it could mean for the stability of the region going forward.Email us at considerthis@npr.orgLearn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Starting point is 00:00:00 It didn't take long after the Hamas attack on Israel for world leaders to start addressing the elephant in the room, the risk of a broader escalation. Any country, any organization, anyone thinking of taking advantage of this situation, I have one word, don't. That's President Biden on October 10th, just three days after the situation. I have one word. Don't. That's President Biden on October 10th, just three days after the attack. Since then, if the conflict hasn't spilled into a full-blown regional war, it has at least begun to trickle. First, it was exchanges of fire between Israel and the militant group Hezbollah along the northern border with Lebanon. Then, as the civilian toll of Israel's invasion of the Gaza Strip piled up, Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen began targeting cargo ships in the Red Sea.
Starting point is 00:01:02 Ahmed Nadji with Crisis Group says they are playing to broad popular support for the Palestinian cause. They need to act to show their people that they are the movement of actions, not the movement of words. And last week, American forces were pulled closer to the conflict. A drone attack on a U.S. base in northern Iraq wounded three service members. The U.S. responded with its own airstrikes on Iran-backed militias, though the Iraqi government said civilians and police officers were injured. Paul Salem, president and CEO of the Middle East Institute, says neither the U.S. nor Iran wants this to become a wider war. Both sides have long experience with this type of, let's call it, limited escalation. This is not new to the post-October 7 period. It's been going on effectively for years.
Starting point is 00:01:50 Of course, the risk is always there. And in just the past few days, more attacks in Lebanon and Iran have again underscored that risk. Consider this. Whether or not Israel's war with Hamas officially sparks a wider war in the Middle East, danger and violence are spreading beyond the borders of Israel and Gaza. From NPR, I'm Mary Louise Kelly. It's Wednesday, January 3rd. It's Consider This from NPR. We'll start with two major developments of recent days.
Starting point is 00:02:34 The first is in Iran, where today a pair of explosions killed more than 100 people and wounded many more. The other in Lebanon, where a senior Hamas leader has been killed. No one has claimed responsibility for either incident. To walk through how they may fit into the broader picture, we're going to hear from two NPR correspondents with deep experience covering the region. In a moment, we'll hear from Jane Araf, who has just landed in Beirut. But first, NPR's Peter Kenyon, who follows Iran from his base in Istanbul. Hey, Peter. Hi, Mary Louise. So these explosions in Iran come on the fourth anniversary of the U.S. assassination of Iranian General Qasem Soleimani. And I gather the bombs went off as
Starting point is 00:03:18 a procession of people who were marking that anniversary in his hometown as this was underway. What else do we know? Well, officials said the explosions were detonated by remote control as people walked along a street in the southeastern city of Kerman. Emergency crews said many of those injured were in critical condition, suggesting the death toll could rise. General Soleimani himself was killed in a U.S. drone strike in Iraq in 2020, not far from the Baghdad airport. And since his assassination, Soleimani has been lionized by Iran's leaders as a kind of a symbol of the country's resistance to oppression by the West in general and the United States in particular.
Starting point is 00:03:57 And as it happens, this isn't the first time this particular road in Kerman was the scene of casualties. In 2020, a funeral ceremony for General Soleimani on the same road saw a stampede breakout that left 60 people dead. I remember that terrible tragedy as well. What kind of reaction are we hearing so far from officials in Iran to these explosions today? We are starting to get some reactions. The head of the judiciary, Khalem Hossein Mosseini Eje, blamed the attack on, quote, blind-hearted terrorists that are hired by the arrogance. Now, arrogance, a term often used by Iranian officials when they want to condemn the U.S. or other Western countries. And now he also said a massive
Starting point is 00:04:35 military and security operation had been launched to discover who was behind the attack. Separately, Iran's interior ministers quoted as saying this was the second of the two explosions that caused the most damage and casualties. And he basically said the whole city was effectively under military control. Okay. And I want to follow on something I heard you say, which is that Soleimani has been lionized since his death as a symbol of resistance to the West. Just remind people listening how big a deal General Soleimani was in Iran, why an explosion at an event to mark the anniversary of his death would be so sensitive? Well, Qasem Soleimani was a commander of the Quds Force. That's an elite part of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, which itself is a key part of Iran's military. Now, Soleimani joined the IRGC, the Guard Corps, very early, not long
Starting point is 00:05:23 after the Islamic Revolution that toppled the U.S.-backed Shah of Iran. He fought in the nearly decade-long Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s. Later, he turned up in Afghanistan, where he helped the so-called Northern Alliance in its fight against the Taliban. Now, he went on to join the Quds Force, which played a major role in supporting Iran's proxy militias. These are groups including Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in the Gaza Strip, a number of militias in Iraq. He was basically seen as playing a central role in Syria as well, helping President Bashar al-Assad when his regime was under attack during the Arab Spring. Is Soleimani seen as an important actor in helping to spread Iran's influence in the
Starting point is 00:06:02 region and beyond, as Tehran developed its technique of using militias in other countries to fight its enemies. Peter Kenyon in Istanbul. Thank you, Peter. Thanks, Mary Louise. And let me bring in NPR's Gina Raff on the ground for us tonight in Beirut, Lebanon. Hey, Jane. Hi, Mary Louise. It's funny, I remember covering the fallout from the assassination of General Soleimani with you four years ago. I was in Iran and you were across the border in Iraq.
Starting point is 00:06:30 We come to you today to discuss another assassination there in a suburb of Beirut. This happened yesterday. One of the founders of Hamas's military wing was killed. Israel has not claimed responsibility, but it feels worth noting Israel has vowed to target Hamas officials in other countries, right? They have. And the person who was killed is a pretty big deal. Salah al-Aruri, who was not just the founder of the military wing, but instrumental in relations between Hamas and Hezbollah and other countries. He always said he expected to be assassinated. And in fact, he was killed in what the Lebanese government said was an Israeli
Starting point is 00:07:14 drone strike. This was on an office building in South Beirut, which really brings that war home to Lebanon in a different way than fighting between Iran, back to Hezbollah and Israel at the border that most people never see. And as you mentioned, Israel had warned after the October 7th start of the war that it would target Hamas officials in other countries. And Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah had said even before the war started that if Israel assassinated any officials in Lebanon, that his organization, the major player here, would retaliate. So basically, Mary Louise, as much as people are upset that Israel appears to have launched drone strikes in the capital city, They're perhaps even more afraid that any large-scale Hezbollah retaliation could go spiraling into a conflict that could become out of control. Yeah, I mean, that leads me towards some of the bigger questions I have. I mean, how should we think about this, about the danger of Hezbollah, another armed group, getting involved in the Israel-Hamas war? Yeah, well, they're already involved in the sense that
Starting point is 00:08:26 Nasrallah says they're doing their bit by attacking Israeli forces across the border with Israel to divert Israeli resources from Gaza. So the two sides have been launching attacks against each other since the war began. But this assassination is a whole different ballgame. And in a speech in Beirut today, one that had been previously scheduled to mark the death of General Soleimani, the Hizbollah leader accused the U.S. of extending the war in Gaza. And he vowed that Israel could expect a, quote, response and punishment for the assassination of al-Ruri in Beirut. And here he pledges that if the, quote, enemy launches a war on Lebanon, our fighting will be without ceilings or boundaries or rules. And even though it is four years ago since that U.S. airstrike killed Soleimani in Baghdad, that strike, as you saw in Iran and I saw in Iraq,
Starting point is 00:09:32 did have huge repercussions, not all of them contributing to stability. So here's my big picture question for you, Jane. As a longtime watcher of the region, do these events, these last couple of days, raise the risk of the current war in the Middle East expanding? Yeah, I don't know about you, but I certainly did not see this coming. And I think we're seeing a different Middle East where some of the balance of power has shifted in the last three months and perhaps become more fragmented. I mean, we've seen an expansion of attacks on U.S. targets by groups aligned with Iran, but not necessarily directed by them. Limits of U.S. influence.
Starting point is 00:10:09 But really what we're seeing, I think, for the first time in years is a realization that the lack of Palestinian homeland is deeply destabilizing. Jane Araf in Beirut. Thank you, Jane. Thank you, Mary Louise. This episode was produced by Connor Donovan and Megan Lim. It was edited by Tara Neal and Courtney Dorney. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Mary Louise Kelly.

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