Consider This from NPR - What is needed to keep the ceasefire on track?

Episode Date: October 18, 2025

Veteran Middle East correspondent Jane Arraf has seen peace deals fall apart many times in her decades covering the region. She talks about what she is watching for to see if the ceasefire can hold.For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Email us at [e-mail] episode was produced by Linah Mohammad and Avery Keatley. It was edited by Adam Raney. Our executive producer is Sami Yenigun.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

We're now in the second week of a fragile ceasefire in Gaza, one still marked by deadly violence. Earlier this week, a video of Hamas publicly executing eight Palestinian men, accusing them of working with Israel during the war, was circulating online. And on Friday, Israeli forces killed 11 members of a Palestinian family. Gaza's civil defense authorities said the family, like many others, were inspecting the ruins of their home. Israeli forces fired a tank round at their minibus. The Israeli military said that the family was behind the yellow line where its troops are positioned. That's NPR's Jane Araf reporting on Weekend Edition this morning.

She's covered the Middle East for 30 years. It's sort of bookended by my first experience covering the Middle East, which was in the 90s when I came here as a Reuters reporter. And it was a time when Jordan was secretly discussing a peace deal with Israel, when the Palestinians were discussing. possible peace with Israel. At nearly every juncture since then, where peace was discussed or war flared up again, Jane was somewhere in the region reporting for

major outlets like CNN, the New York Times, Al Jazeera English, and for several years for NPR on stories like these. They included two fighters being buried, plus an 11-year-old boy and a hospital orderly. For millions of Syrians, this is a new

beginning. Long dreamed of during the years of killings and arrests and repression. We've just landed in Gaza, not very far into Gaza, just a few hundred feet beyond the pence. It's part of the buffer zone that Israel has created. There is not another person in sight here. And now, a little more than a week into the current ceasefire, she's watching to see what might be different.

And so here we are decades later, and we're still talking about many of the same issues, which just drives home to me. How much of a driver of instability this all is, the fact that Palestinians don't have a homeland. Consider this. After decades covering the Middle East, a veteran international correspondent has seen many ceasefires collapse.

It's still unclear to her how long this one will last. From NPR, I'm Andrew Limbaugh. A lot of short daily news podcasts focus on just one story. But right now, you probably need more. On Up First from NPR, we bring you three of the world's top headlines every day in under 15 minutes. Because no one's story can capture all that's happening in this big, crazy world of ours on any given morning. Listen now to the Up First podcast from NPR. In the U.S., national security news can feel far away from daily.

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She's reported on failed peace deals and ceasefires that eventually fell apart. So when we spoke on Friday, I wanted to know, is cautious optimism how people there on the ground really feel? Is that how she really feels? Cautious. I mean, certainly cautious. We are very cautious. Optimism? I struggle these days with the word optimism.

I used to be, I swear, I used to be an optimistic person. That's kind of taken a beating in the last few years. Yeah, I can imagine. I wonder, what is it like to cover a story that stretches across borders, right? So you're based in Amman Jordan, you know, what's happening now in Gaza, it kind of reverberates throughout so many different countries. And how do you sort of wrap your head around all of that? Pretty much all the countries I go to are in the Arab world. They're linked.

And when you travel to these countries, whether it's Lebanon or Syria or Iraq, you realize how interconnected they are. And also, even though we're talking about historical issues that created the countries in this region, it's kind of as if it was yesterday. I was in South Lebanon recently, for instance, and I was standing on the ruins of a demolished village that overlooks Israel. and it was demolished by the Israeli army after the ceasefire with Lebanon last year because they want to depopulate those border villages but from that Lebanese village you could see into Israel

you could see the part of Israel that used to be Palestinian land in fact some of the people we interviewed in Lebanon their families had farmed that land you could see into the Golan Heights in Syria and when you're in Jordan for instance Now again, you can get in a taxi and you can go to Damascus for lunch if you want. It's that close. I mean, everything is so interconnected here that it makes it both easier and more complicated to figure out solutions to things. When we present the news in KAPU, we always make sure to tell the audience how close everything is. But I was just fiddling around from like on Google Maps this morning and be like, oh, that is only two hours away.

Yeah. It's wild, isn't it? Yeah. And it's like, I mean, I guess this is an absurd question, but like, is that scary to be so close to it all? No, no, it's exhilarating, particularly if you're a fan of history, right? Because in all of these places, you are in places that are deeply important to almost every major religion where figures from the Bible walked, for instance, where some of the famous poets. from history, recited poetry in the streets. Everything is here. And it's such an old civilization in so many places. I mean, think of Iraq, right? The cradle of civilization. And, you know, for me, one of the most amazing things that even now makes me feel so lucky

to be a journalist is that I can go to places that I only read about when I was a child, like places with magical names like Babylon and Damascus. and they actually exist, right? There's a Babylon and Long Island, but it's not as... You also have a lot of Lebanon's, right? Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of that, too. Yeah. Violence does do many things.

It attracts attention. Assuming the ceasefire holds, I imagine people's interest might drift elsewhere, right? Here in the States, we've got a government shut down. You know, there's plenty of, like, elections coming up and all that. And so I'm curious, as people continue the hard work of figuring out what happens next in the region, what are you worried might get undercovered? That's one of the pivotal questions, isn't it, that we face as journalists, because it's really easy to get people's attention during war. I mean, it's not easy to sustain that attention, certainly even when unbelievable things are happening.

But what I would hope is that there's a momentum to this. And I think that even though, yes, interests will definitely wane, but people are always interested in people. You know, the other day in South Lebanon, we were going along one of these destroyed villages, and we saw this man who was dancing on the roof of his destroyed home to really loud music. There was no one else around for miles.

So we stopped and talked to him. And, you know, his life is kind of the wider story of what's happened in South Lebanon. But the draw is, here is this man who, despite everything, is dancing. And there will always be stories like that that I think people will always be interested in. Because at the end of the day, people are interested in people. Having covered this story for a long time, I think I'm wondering what could go wrong here? So many things could go wrong. We're now weak into the ceasefire, but all the other things that have to happen are not happening.

Doesn't mean they won't happen. It just means they're not. For instance, famine has been spreading through Gaza. More than 90% of homes are damaged or destroyed. Winter is coming. Israel has restricted aid for months, and as part of the ceasefire agreement, it has agreed to dramatically increase aid. but it has not given signs that it's going to do that. It has kept closed one of the main borders with Gaza that's used for aid

shipments. It has deregistered major international aid organizations. So one of the things people really need to focus on, I think, and that we need to focus on is how is this all going to work? You know, ceasefire is wonderful news and it's a moment of, of almost euphoria, but then for anything to actually happen takes so much work, so much organization, so much effort. And we are not yet seeing that on the ground. How are you doing? How am I doing? Yeah, how are you doing? Oh, that's such a nice question. Thank you for asking.

I think I'm doing like a lot of people are doing. You know, one of the stories I'm looking into is psychotherapists and psychiatrists who say they've been seeing an increase in like free-floating anxiety. Obviously, that's not a clinical term, but it's basically an increase in anxiety from all the horrible things that have been happening in the world and the inability to do anything about it. And it's really interesting to me that that is a phenomenon. Now, as journalists, I mean, part of the reason we go into journalism, a lot of it is this is kind of a way to not do something about it, but a way to feel useful to explain what's happening. So that certainly keeps me going.

It's funny. I asked you how you're doing, and then you went to a thing about a story that you're working on, which is a very journalism thing to do. Yes. Let me just say, when you ask anyone here these days, and these days me in the past two years,

how are you? You instantly realize there's no answer. to that, right? There's no short answer to that because the world has been falling apart, essentially. So when you ask people, how are you? A lot of people find it hard to answer. That's NPR's Jane Raff. Jane. Thank you so much. Thank you. This episode was produced by Lena Muhammad and Avery Keeley. It was edited by Adam Rainey. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigone. It's considered this from NPR.

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