Consider This from NPR - What this term says about where the Supreme Court is headed

Episode Date: June 29, 2025

A number of Supreme Court decisions handed down this term have expanded the power of the president while limiting the power of the courts. How has this term changed the relationship of the judicial and the executive branches?NPR's Scott Detrow speaks with Greg Stohr from Bloomberg about what we've learned about the makeup and direction of the court from this year's rulings. For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Email us at [e-mail]. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

This morning, the Supreme Court has delivered a monumental victory for the Constitution, the separation of powers, and the rule of law. On Friday, President Trump hailed a series of rulings, the final decisions of the Supreme Court's term, as victories for his administration. In recent months, we've seen a handful of radical left judges effectively try to overrule the rightful powers of the president. In one of the most high profile cases of this term, the high court curbed the power of federal judges

from lower courts to issue nationwide injunctions to block a president from enacting executive orders and other policies. We can now promptly file to proceed with numerous policies that have been wrongly enjoined on a nationwide basis. That decision is closely intertwined with Trump's efforts to end birthright citizenship, but the court did not rule on the merits of that case.

After the decision, Massachusetts Attorney General Andrea Campbell, one of the lawyers representing the state suing the Trump administration, expressed her dismay. We are deeply disappointed that the court did not decide today that a nationwide injunction is warranted, so that no matter where in the United States a baby is born, that baby will continue to be a citizen. She and other state attorneys general admitted that the court's ruling on nationwide injunctions

was a serious blow, but vowed to continue fighting for birthright citizenship. Consider this. A number of Supreme Court decisions handed down this term have expanded the power of the presidency while limiting the power of the courts. So how has this term changed the relationship of the judicial and the executive branches? From NPR, I'm Scott Detro. It's Consider This from NPR. The Supreme Court's term is now over, and once again the executive branch is emerging

from the term more powerful. So what do we make of the Court's rulings and how far do they exactly go? Here to answer those questions is Bloomberg News Supreme Court reporter Greg Stohr. Greg, thanks for being here. Greg Stohr, Supreme Court Reporter, Bloomberg News, Bloomberg News, Thanks for having me, Scott. Greg Stohr, Supreme Court Reporter, Bloomberg News, Let's start with this birthright citizenship case. This is complicated because it involves this core question of who is a U.S. citizen, but it was actually fundamentally about whether or not federal judges have the authority to issue nationwide injunctions. What did the court say about each of those

issues? Well, first of all, you're right that it wasn't about the legality of Donald Trump's restrictions on birthright citizenship. It was all about the power of federal judges and what they can do when they decide that something an administration or any other government entity is doing is illegal. And the Supreme Court said the thing that they've been doing a lot, which is issuing nationwide injunctions, maybe a single person or a single group sues and a judge blocks a policy nationwide, they can't do that anymore.

That is beyond the power of the federal judiciary. That has been such a key feature of our politics for more than a decade now. You go back to the Obama administration, a president tries to do something, somebody sues, it's held up. What does this ruling mean going forward for those challenges that we've become so accustomed to? Unquestionably, it will make it more difficult. But the court did leave open some other avenues and we'll have to see how broad those avenues

are. One of them is that people can bring class actions. And you have to go through some more hoops. It's not automatic. But if you can file a lawsuit, and people may try to do that in birthright citizenship. Actually, they've already tried to do that in birthright citizenship to say, hey, we're filing on behalf of everybody who's like us across the country,

or maybe just in the state or something like that. Judge, can you give us an order blocking the policy as to that class? That's at least still a theoretical avenue for them. But this topic is such an extreme example of the questions that this raises, right? Because this creates this patchwork approach

of if you're part of the initial challenge, it applies to you, it doesn't apply to other people. I mean, what does that mean for people born in the United States to people who aren't here legally? Are you a citizen in one state or not a citizen in another state at the moment? Not at the moment, it is a possible outcome of this. So this is a very complicated thing

and so that's part of the reason why you don't wanna jump to too many conclusions. There's also this issue that some states have sued and so I think that's what you were alluding to that in the state of New Jersey for example, it may be we end up in a world where if you're born in New Jersey, a baby is a citizen, but if born in a state that's not part of the suit, they're not a citizen. But we're not there yet and these are issues that the lower courts are going to have to work out.

These injunctions against the Trump administration have been a major part of the news cycle this year. What happens to all of the ones that had already been issued across a wide range of things that Trump is trying to do? Well, the president said that they are going to try to block a lot of these nationwide injunctions citing the Supreme Court ruling. And those may well be successful in a lot of cases. And in each of those, the question will then be, how about those other avenues? Is there a way that somebody can bring a class action and get to the same place? And I don't think we know the answer to that. I think it's just going to take a while to work out.

I want to come back to these big questions about power. But first, I do want to talk about one other ruling at the end of the term. This came from a group of parents in Maryland suing to opt to get their children out of lessons that included books with LGBTQ characters. The court handed them a victory yesterday. What are the implications for parents and for schools from that ruling? Well, it's certainly a significant decision. It's one that said that because parents have a right to control the religious upbringing of their children, that they constitutionally have to have a right to get notice and to opt out of lessons if it violates their religious beliefs. It's gonna make it harder for schools to incorporate

some things into the classroom for sure because if parents have a right to opt out of things, anytime they do something that maybe bumps up against religious views, there's the risk that it will be much harder to present that lesson in class and they'll have to jump through some big hoops. And the dissenters in that ruling certainly said that this is a huge problem for public education. The conservative supermajority on the court is a huge storyline for several years. Now, what to you was most interesting, most surprising about how those six

Republican-appointed judges voted this year? Certainly the birthright citizenship case was a surprise in that I think a lot of people on both sides of this issue think that even if you think there's a problem with nationwide injunctions, this was a rough case to test it on because this is an order that, an executive order from the Trump administration that clearly goes against what most people have thought is the understanding of the Constitution for the past 150 plus years. The fact that the majority chose that case to raise this issue and thereby giving Donald Trump what seems to be a pretty significant win was certainly

noteworthy. And then just more generally, looking at the way the six Republican appointed justices were pretty much all in alignment on the biggest cases as we headed to the end of the term was very striking. What were your main takeaways from how Justice Amy Coney Barrett ruled this year? She, of course, authored the opinion that we've been mostly talking about in this conversation, but she's also been a justice that a lot of people have been really trying to scrutinize this year. Yeah, there were certainly times earlier in the term where she aligned herself with the liberal justices, the three Democratic appointees. And there was a lot of talk of Amy Coney Barrett,

not so much being a moderator, not so much being a swing vote, but being somebody who's a little more restrained in what she wants to do than some of her conservative colleagues. But in all the other big cases, pretty much all the big ones that we might talk about are ones where she joined her fellow conservatives. You know, people in institutions don't usually willingly hand over power, but I'm thinking about this ruling kind of really scaling back the federal court's ability or at least lower court judges ability to issue nationwide injunctions and last year's ruling giving big swaths of immunity to sitting executives. Do you see a connection between

the two of them and what the six justices and the majority see as the proper balance between the federal courts and the executive branch? Well, certainly it's a court that believes in a strong executive in a whole lot of ways. This birthright citizenship decision does restrict the power of lower court judges. It doesn't restrict the Supreme Court's power, however. In a concurring opinion, Justice Kavanaugh made that very clear that what this means is that probably some of these issues are going to get to us more quickly and we're going to be the ones who have to decide something. So it is a court that wants to restrain the judiciary in some respects, but ultimately

it's reserving a pretty fair amount of power for itself. What remaining big questions do you have? The term has ended, a lot of the big rulings that you've been waiting for are out there to start kind of processing. What are the questions in your mind right now? So one big thing that didn't get a whole lot of attention on Friday was a non-ruling. It's a case involving the Voting Rights Act and a Louisiana congressional map that drew a second majority black district.

Now for decades, the courts have construed the 1965 Voting Rights Act as saying, essentially, if there's a way to draw a majority black, majority Hispanic district so that those voters can elect the candidate of their choice, there's a pretty good chance you're going to have to do that. And by, in this case that they were considering, the issues before them were kind of technical and narrow. And the court said, we're not gonna decide that right now. Instead, we're gonna hear arguments again in the fall. And they didn't say what they're gonna consider, but several of the conservative justices have suggested what they are interested in doing is considering whether this whole thing is still constitutional,

namely the notion of drawing districts so that black and Hispanic voters have a chance to elect the candidates of their choice. And that would throw out decades of practice and would certainly upend the makeup of our legislatures. And it's right that that is a question that Chief Justice Roberts has repeatedly been asking and decisions and opinions over many years now at this point. It's certainly an interest of his, very much so. He does not like racial classifications. He's made very clear he sees the Constitution as being colorblind. And some other justices like Brett Kavanaugh have suggested that they look at the Voting Rights Act as something that maybe was constitutional originally, but maybe has sort of outlived its time and that maybe it no longer meets the current needs of society, that the problem that it was designed to address is no longer there.

Marc Thiessen That is Bloomberg News, Supreme Court reporter Greg Storer. Greg, thanks so much for coming in. Greg Storer. Greg, thanks so much for coming in. My pleasure. This episode was produced by Avery Keatley. It was edited by Elizabeth Johnson. Our executive producer is Sammy Gannigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Scott Detro.