Consider This from NPR - When will sufficient aid be allowed into Gaza? UNICEF says Gazans need more

Episode Date: October 5, 2025

As peace negotiations between Israel and Hamas made significant progress over the weekend, many in the region are expressing some cautious optimism about an end to the two-year war. NPR's Andrew Limbong speaks with James Elder, a UNICEF spokesman, about what he is seeing in Gaza now and the urgent need for food and medical supplies. For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Email us at [e-mail] episode was produced by Michael Levitt. It was edited by Sarah Robbins. Our executive producer is Sami Yenigun.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

Will peace finally come? It's an urgent question for many in Gaza and Israel as delegations from both sides in the war sit down for negotiations in Egypt on Monday. Over the course of the past two years, there have been numerous failed attempts at brokering a deal. Still, a cautious sense of optimism is spreading. I crossed my fingers very hard, so it will finally happen. That's Karen Giel. She was one of thousands of protesters who gathered in Tel Aviv over the weekend calling

and hoping for an end to the war. You know, just when I'm thinking about it, it makes me like shiver, because, you know, we want it so bad and let's hope it will happen. Those feelings of hope can be heard also in Gaza. Amper's reported there, Honest Baba spoke with Iman Abu Aklein. She's a 48-year-old mother of four. She was buying canned food for her family, and Baba said she was very skinny. She said the news of a deal has brought some relief.

It's like we've been living in a pressure cooker and we can take a small breath after all this fear we live with each night. But even as hope takes hold, humanitarian organizations warn that hope is all that many Gazans have and that aid is needed now. Consider this. This seems to be a pivotal moment for diplomacy,

but more than a million Gazans are in desperate need of medicine and food. When will Israel allow enough aid in? For NPR, I'm Angela Lombong. It's considered this from NPR. After nearly two years of unrelenting war, the end just might be within reach. However, the peace process is fragile.

And for Palestinians in Gaza, any stall or breakdown of negotiations could cost them their lives. says UNICEF spokesperson James Elder, who spoke to me over the weekend from Gaza, where war continues. And I was in a hospital on Saturday, and there I am again in ICU, looking a little 10-year-old girl, someone who has got horrific wounds to her face from shrapnel because she was getting water when there was an airstrike as she was, you know, queuing to get water. Despite constant pressure from UNICEF and other humanitarian organizations to expand access to aid, last August, a report from a UN-backed panel from the Integrated Food Security Phase classification or IPC

declare that famine had reached Gaza. I asked James Elder if that declaration had any meaningful difference on the flow of aid in the month since. No, that didn't come. That never came. And it wasn't just the food. It's the medicine. You hear a child having had an amputation. You hear those screams because pain killers have not been allowed in.

Incubators. I just was at a hospital two days ago, Andrew, and you're talking about three premature babies on a bed sharing oxygen. I'm seeing mums and brand new babies, newborns, in hospital corridors, in what were world-class hospitals, because there's a lack of incubators now and what possible reason is there to deny incubators. So, no, a meaningful level of humanitarian aid has never flowed, particularly, particularly after the famine declaration. You know, several aid organizations have said that the crisis of, starvation could be resolved quickly, right? It's not logistical issues or a lack of capacity. It's all about access. What do you need to happen to be able to serve the children and families

you're trying to reach? Yeah, it is about access. Exactly. It's not a logistical problem. Logistical problem is where you're hundreds and hundreds of miles away from the support you need. Here, it's five miles. There is a border, you know, and on the other side is a thousand trucks. So what we need is the Israeli officials to, a, lift humanitarian aid flow. And then once it gets into Gaza, it's not just getting into Gaza, legally they have a responsibility to facilitate that. What that means is opening up multiple routes, not denying aid for two months, and then giving us one route to go down and then creating the systems for aid to be looted and then blaming aid workers for that. So again, yes, these are not logistical problems.

These are political decisions made and there's lives at the end of every one of these. Israel has rejected the claim that it's responsible for conditions of famine and starvation seen in Gaza. Prime Minister Netanyahu's office called the IPC report an outright lie. And he also shifted the blame back on Hamas. Here's what the prime minister said at the UN General Assembly last month. If there are galsons who don't have enough food, it's because Hamas is stealing it. Hamas steals it, hordes it, and sells it at exorbitant prices to fight its war machine. You've been on the ground.

Who bears responsibility for the fact that critical food supplies are not reaching people? Oh, Israel. I'm sorry, there's two parts to this. One is that senior American officials, starting under the Biden administration, going all the way through today, have made it very clear that at no point were they given evidence of systematic, meaningful aid diversion. So we face statements time and again without evidence designed to discredit tried and tested aid systems to justify controlling and weaponising aid and displacing a population. So this is not suppositions. The evidence is very very clear on the ground in terms of where those denials have come from. Well, the political developments between the U.S., Israel, and Hamas this weekend make an immediate difference for the people you and your partners are seeing every day? Oh, there is no doubt. This is so quick. If the bombs fall silent and humanitarian aid flows, absolutely.

And there's a couple of reasons for that. One is, of course, because that would be the first time in a long time that parents can promise their children at nighttime and a tent that they will go to bed and wake up next day. And the other is, and it's not a cliche, there is an ability of Palestinians to bounce back. And that's based on something concrete. That's based on a foundation of education. This is one of the highest literacy rates in the region. It's based on engineers and doctors and computer scientists and nurses and moms and dads.

So there is an education system here that's been the backbone and the pride and joy of Palestinians. As long as Palestinians are given a chance now and, of course, given the support that they need. Yeah, hope is even stronger right now because it is literally all they've got. That is UNICEF's James Elder speaking with us from Gaza. James, thank you so much for the time. Pleasure, Andrew. Pleasure. This episode was produced by Michael Levitt. It was edited by Sarah Robbins. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigan. It's considered this from NPR. I'm Andrew Limbong.