Consider This from NPR - Why some U.S. citizens are being kicked off voting rolls

Episode Date: December 13, 2025

Trump’s SAVE tool is looking for noncitizen voters. But it’s flagging U.S. citizens too. Host Miles Parks speaks with NPR reporter Jude Joffe-Block about tracking down citizens who are now having to prove they have a right to vote.For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Email us at [e-mail] episode was produced by Linah Mohammed and Avery Keatley. It was edited by Brett Neely, Ben Swasey and Adam Raney. Our executive producer is Sami Yenigun.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

In recent months, nearly 50 million Americans have had their names run through a federal data system that's now being used to try to weed out non-citizen voters. But as Republican states run their voter rules through it, the system is also flagging Americans who do have the right to vote, like Anthony Nell, who lives near Dallas, Texas. At first I was confused because I have a passport. I've been voting for 10 years. Why is this happening now? My first thought was something is going on in terms of wanting to adjust.

and change who is registered to vote. Nell is one of 2,700 people, the Texas Secretary of State's office, identified as, quote, potential non-citizens that are on Texas's voter rolls. The state made this list by running every registered voter through the SAVE data system, which for decades was a federal lookup tool only used to check if immigrants were eligible for benefits. Earlier this summer, the Trump administration linked it to Social Security Administration data and now claims that SAVE is the first tool that can look at.

up the citizenship of almost every American. NPR reporter Jude Jaffe Block and I have been reporting on Save for months. And recently, Jude has been tracking how American citizens like Nell are being flagged. In Anthony Nell's case, you know, he goes to his mailbox, he gets a letter. As the voter registrar for Denton County, I am writing to notify you of important information regarding your voter registration. It's asking him to prove his citizenship. We have received information from the Texas Secretary of State reflecting that you might not be

a United States citizen. And he's been a really active voter up until this point, and so he's pretty shocked by this. It turns out that the save system can't identify everyone who's been naturalized. These are Americans like Nell, who gained citizenship as children

when their parents became citizens. So he was flagged and got this notice telling him if he wanted to stay on the voter rolls, he had to come and prove his citizenship by showing his passport. He was uncomfortable with sharing those sort of sensitive documents online, so he missed the deadline to prove his voter eligibility.

He recently logged on to check his registration status. I do not pop up. I am no longer registered to vote. Jude says this shouldn't be a surprise. This has been a concern that this program would lead to eligible citizens being removed from the voter rolls. It's also raising a lot of questions about how Americans' personal data is being used by the Trump administration.

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NPR reporter Jude Jofi Block has been reporting on the use of SAVE, a federal database that's now being deployed in red states to try to find the few non-citizens that are on voter rolls. When we sat down for this week's reporter's notebook, I began by asking her how one eligible American voter, Anthony Nell, responded to finding out that he was struck from his county voter rules in Texas. He was kind of surprised, disturbed, confused, frustrated. I think he was also surprised that it happened with just one. letter out of outreach. And so under Texas code, you know, if, if somebody doesn't respond to this notice within 30 days, their registration is canceled. They didn't say, your 30 days are up.

You were no longer registered. There's no confirmation that someone received the letter. And so there are, you know, probably tons of people out there that have no idea that they're no longer registered to vote. The Trump administration is encouraging states to use this save system and run all their voters through it. But then there's some gray area about what happens next. It flags potential non-citizens. And then there's this extra step where the state is supposed to do additional verification. And what that looks like is a little unclear. So in Nell's case, it was getting a single letter in the mail that he had to respond to to to stay on the rolls. You know, there's questions, what if people don't get that letter? Are people getting enough due process to be able to stay on the

This is not the first time you've reported a story like this about either somebody being removed from voter registration lists or having been incorrectly tagged by the government in one of these efforts. What are those moments like, I guess, as you're talking to people and in some cases, I think, even telling them for the first time that they have been picked up on one of these lists? So I've done some reporting on voters in Virginia, Alabama, and Tennessee, who were at different phases of getting a notice or had been removed. move from voter rolls and didn't always know that that had happened. I contacted some voters who I told them you might want to look yourself up. And this is an interesting conversation to have with

folks where, you know, I'm asking, you know, are you a U.S. citizen? And they're showing me their passport over Zoom or FaceTime so that we can verify it. And talking with them about what it feels like to get these notices and what they have to do about it. I mean, some of the folks in, you know, Virginia and in Alabama in that reporting, they were born in the U.S. And those weren't necessarily save related, but they were mystified. How did I end up getting flagged for this? And that was a big question people had. I mean, is it also a process of building trust?

I mean, I have to imagine if some random person just calls you and tells you, I mean, you're on a list. How did those interactions go? Or how do you go about the process of, you know, making it clear that you're legit or that you're not, you know, trying to get anybody in trouble or like, I don't know. Do you ever think about even how to approach people in this situation more broadly? Yeah, it's such a sensitive topic because you're basically talking to people about something where they don't know how their information has been used and might be very wary about these efforts and feel in some ways like their privacy is invaded and maybe the last thing they want to do is talk to a stranger about that very thing, right? and then show a sensitive document to that stranger over Zoom or FaceTime.

So these are really sensitive conversations. It involves building trust. Because I have reported on this now several times, you know, done a variety of stories about people who've been flagged in citizenship reviews for voter roles in various states. I'm able to send people those stories so they can kind of understand what we're working on and what our goals are with trying to. to tell their story. So for them to come up with this list of names of potential non-citizens, this is from the federal government giving this to the state. They use this save systems. This is

a system that you and I have reported a lot on this year because the Trump administration has put a lot of resources and energy into overhauling it. But can you explain for people exactly what it is and what the Trump administration has changed? Yeah. So it's been in use for, you know, over 40 years at this point. It's a federal data system that pings Department of Homeland Security and various immigration-related systems, and its original use was to be able to figure out if foreign-born people, if immigrants in the country were eligible for certain benefits. Now, it went through a huge makeover in the last seven months. The Trump administration has really changed it because what they've done is they've linked it

to social security administration data, and they've made it so that it supposedly can look up anyone with a social security number and identify whether they are a U.S. citizen or not. And so it's, it's really essentially trying to be a citizenship lookup tool, which we've never had before and never had this kind of data consolidated. They've recently linked it to have U.S. passport information as well as, and then the plan next is to add driver's license data to this as well. So millions of people have been run through this system at this point. A number of states are using it now. Do we have any sense of what the results say or if this does provide any evidence for Trump's claims about non-citizen voting? Yeah, well, this is really interesting because so far the states that have run their entire voter rolls through Save and have made those results public, the number of suspected non-citizens who've cast ballots are really, pretty low. So Louisiana, for example, ran almost three million voters through and identified 79 people that they think are non-citizens who cast ballots going back to the 1980s. So this is a really

tiny percentage of their registered voters. But I don't think that means that this narrative is going anywhere. I mean, we've seen just actually in the last week, Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights, Harmeet Dillon, has been talking about this issue a lot. I think it could be a six-figure number when you spread out over the whole country could be even higher than that. She recently went on Newsmax and put out a number of what she guessed, the number of non-citizens who voted in the U.S. is. And when you think about the margin in the 2020 election and some other elections nationally, a few hundred votes here or there could absolutely turn the outcome of a national election. And that kind of brings up an issue, which is that when talking about this, there's numbers that get thrown out, and there could be potential non-citizens, which are different than confirmed non-citizens. And there could be non-citizens who are registered to vote, which is different than non-citizens who cast a ballot. So often even talking about this issue can lead to a lot of confusion. That's NPR's Jude Joppy Block. Thanks so much for talking with us, Jude. Thank you, Miles.

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