Consider This from NPR - With "Wicked," director Jon M. Chu writes his own story

Episode Date: November 12, 2024

Wicked – the 20-year-old – smash hit on Broadway turns the story of the "Wizard of Oz" on its head. Now, the story of Elfaba the Wicked Witch of the West, Glinda the Good Witch, and the Wizard himself is making the shift from stage to screen. The director bringing the Broadway hit to screens across the country is Jon M. Chu, the director of the blockbuster Crazy Rich Asians.The movie version of Wicked is in many ways the culmination of Chu's own story as a person of color. Chu always wanted to be a filmmaker. Chu says his life experience and career lead him to tell the story of a person of color in a new way.For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Email us at [e-mail] more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

The wickedest witch there ever was, the enemy of all of us, here he comes, he's dead! Wicked. The 20-year-old smash-it on Broadway turns the story of The Wizard of Oz on its head. You know, where the villain becomes the hero, and the hero becomes... Well, it's complicated. You'll be with me Like a handprint on my heart And now whatever way I story you Now the story of Elphaba, the Wicked Witch of the West, Glinda, the Good Witch, and the Wizard himself

is making the shift from stage to screen. Are people born wicked? Or do they have wickedness thrust upon them? And this movie cast is stacked with talent, with the likes of Cynthia Erivo as the wicked witch of the West, Ariana Grande as Glinda, the good witch of the North, and Jeff Goldblum as the wonderful Wizard of Oz.

Just follow the road. It's gonna lead you right to me. And it seems fitting that the person finally bringing the Broadway musical to movie theaters around the world is John Chu, the director behind this other blockbuster. So, Litsa, what are you doing in America? Um, I'm an economics professor. Oh, very impressive. Econ professor, eh? Wow, you must be very smart. Good for you. John Chu helped make significant strides for Asian representation on film with Crazy Rich Asians in 2018.

Let me get this straight. You both went to the same school, yet someone came back with a degree that's useful. And the other one came back as Asian Ellen. Chiu is a director who's often made music central to his work, like in 2021 with the musical drama In the Heights. Maybe this neighborhood is changing forever. Maybe tonight is our last night together, however. I just want to see the whole world through our eyes. They're talking about kicking out all the dreamers. It's time to make some noise.

And now, with Wicked, Chu is embarking on a project that is, in so many ways, the culmination of his own story as a person of color. The Wizard of Oz, how do you flip it to see it from a new view of a person of color, a person of green, who is looked at as so different that everyone thinks they're wicked? Consider this. Director John Chu always knew he wanted to be a filmmaker. And each step he's taken has led him to this moment.

From NPR, I'm Elsa Chang. I'm Rachel Martin, host of NPR's Wild Card Podcast. I'm the kind of person who wants to skip the small talk and get right to the things that matter. That's why I invite famous guests like Ted Danson, Jeff Goldblum, and Issa Rae to skip the surface stuff. We talk about what gives their lives meaning, the beliefs that shape their worldview, the moments of joy that keep them going.

Follow Wild Card wherever you get your podcasts, only from NPR. I'm Rachel Martin, host of NPR's Wildcard Podcast. I've spent my entire career learning what kinds of questions prompt the most honest answers. What's the biggest sacrifice you've ever made? What's a belief you had to let go of? What's a goal you're glad you gave up on? Now I'm putting those soul-searching questions to guests like Jenny Slate, Bowen Yang, and Chris Pine. Follow Wildcard wherever you get your podcasts, only from NPR. It's Consider This from NPR. Wicked hits theaters next week. The film had its LA premiere over the weekend, but the movie's director was noticeably missing.

In a prerecorded video, Chu let attendees of the premiere know why he could not be there in person. And I've waited for three years to have this moment to share a movie with you, but I've waited my whole life to have this moment to have a good child right now. Of course, this little girl knows

when to show up. Chiu and his wife dropped by the premiere through a video because they were at a hospital to welcome their fifth child into the world, a girl named Stevie Sky Chiu. Recently, I talked to John Chiu about his path as a filmmaker and how his own life story led to a blockbuster career. When the movie Crazy Rich Asians came out in 2018, I, like almost every Asian I knew, rushed to the theater to see the first Hollywood movie in decades starring an all-Asian cast. I'm sorry to tell you, but Rachel has been lying to us about her family and her mother. What are you talking about? I hired a private investigator.

Now, at the time, I didn't know much about the director, John Chu. But what I did know, long before I ever read his new memoir, Viewfinder, is that he and I grew up in the same town in Silicon Valley. I have been dying to tell you, John, I grew up in Los Altos as well. Basically, yes. At the same time you did, basically. I graduated high school in 1994. So I think I'm a few years older than you, right? But not much. Right there, yes.

And I grew up going to Chef Chu's as a kid. I swear to God. Oh my gosh. That's crazy. It is crazy. How did I not know that? To be honest, Chef Chu's was like the fancy Chinese restaurant for us growing up. That's funny. Chef Chu's is the Chinese restaurant that John Chu's parents have owned for 52 years. Even though it's known for great Chinese cuisine, Chu says what his parents most wanted

was to radiate American-ness, to assimilate. They sent their kids to the San Francisco Opera in matching suits and to a comfortable private school called Pinewood. My parents came from Taiwan and China and they didn't speak a lot of English when they first got here. And I think that was really hard for both of them. My mom specifically. And so I'm the youngest of five kids. And she really wanted us to fit in. She wanted us to feel like we belonged the way she didn't at first. And so she put us in etiquette classes and dance class and music classes and really encouraged us to be as quote unquote American as possible. And in

a weird way, it worked for us. And going to Pinewood was one of those things. It's very idealistic and you learn songs, you learn cardan and it's very, very safe for sure. Did it ever feel performative to you growing up, what your parents asked of you? Like, were you felt like sometimes you were being asked to basically act white? It honestly never felt performative, maybe because I grew up in it. And my parents, you know, when you are the owners of a Chinese restaurant, they felt like they were ambassadors, that our family were ambassadors to people who had never met Chinese families before.

And so they instilled it in us that, you know, no matter what people said, no matter how people treated us at first, that we were to not just fill their belly when they come into the restaurant, but fill their hearts. So next time when they see a Chinese family, they'll know that they are worthy as we would be and we could prove to them right there. So there was a lot of proving ourselves. It's so interesting listening to you describe that pressure on your parents to be ambassadors because at the same time growing up Asian in Silicon Valley can be confusing because

there are so many Asians in that area. You can forget sometimes how different you are compared to the rest of this country. It's harder to feel like a minority when there are so many of you everywhere, right? Definitely. And there wasn't really the term Asian American, not that I remember. Yeah. Yeah. It was just like, oh, you're Chinese, basically no matter what you, if you look Asian, you're Chinese. And there was no differentiation if you- Is that the occasional sayonara? I'm like, no, I'm not Japanese. A lot of bowing, a lot of different random things that would happen to you, calling me

Jackie Chan wherever I went. But you just sort of went along with it because you had no other choice. And there was also the Asians that literally just got there and didn't speak English. And so we felt that like, oh, we're not them either. We couldn't define it because we didn't have a term. And so it was very confusing sometimes. You had to make a choice. And I didn't realize that until much later in my life that subconsciously we did make a choice. There are so many parallels between your family and mine, like how your parents

first reacted to your passion for filmmaking. Like they first thought of it as just playing around. But eventually they did support you, just like my parents finally got over me quitting the law to become a journalist. What do you think allowed your parents to embrace your unconventional career way before you even got famous? Because for them, so much of Chef Chu's was just about survival. Yeah. I don't know exactly what's going on in their heads. Because when their child is running around with a video camera,

running around downtown Los Altos, running through traffic, trying to get fun shots, I don't think they exactly knew what I was doing. The only time that I knew it was when I would convince my teachers that I could make a video instead of write papers. And I remember one night, it was like 3 in the morning and I'm editing, and my mom comes in and is is like you can't be editing You have to be studying you'd be reading you have conned your school She unplugged my computer and you know at that time everything would be lost and I was just devastated

And I went to her the next that night and said this is what I love you always said that this is America the greatest Place in the world you could do whatever you want if you love it. And the next day she came to school and she had a pile of filmmaking books and said, if you're going to do this, you have to study it, like a craft. And from then on, they were right there next to me. They must have seen it in my eyes. I don't know exactly.

Well, as you wrote about your decision to eventually make Crazy Rich Asians, you said, quote, I turned 35 without knowing who I was because I'd ignored the Sleeping dragon in me. What was that sleeping dragon inside you and how did that dragon? Lead to crazy rich Asians. I think the sleeping dragon was the kid that was folding napkins at the bar at the restaurant I think that kid was fiercely close with his grandma, my boo boo. We'd fold wontons at lunchtime for dinner meals with the whole family. I think that kid is the one who went to Taiwan and looked around for the first time and was

like, I feel like family is here and they're treating me differently here. As I got older, seeing this identity of the Asian American rise from Wong Fu to so many Jabberwockies and all these people that were amazing and confident and fully who they were. And I think it was this community rising that gave me the right bed, I guess, to rise out of and fire me up and say, John, you have a responsibility too in this and for your children as you look into your adulthood. And I think that that was the dragon, was this new force that I didn't realize I had. Well, let me ask you finally, as someone who is knowing himself better, who sees himself

as an ambassador in a way for other Asians, who's a different kind of storyteller now. How does your biggest project yet, Wicked, fit into all of that for you? Well, I think that was a big reason for the book, that I wanted to look at my life going into Wicked, going into having children, and solidify the lessons that I'd learned. And this was sort of a way for me to get to Wicked through my own story. How does the most American fairy tale, maybe other than Star Wars, The Wizard of Oz, how do you flip it to see it from a new view of a person of color, a person of green who is looked at as so different that everyone thinks they're wicked and what happens to that person who believed in the yellow brick road

who believes in the wizard who's supposed to give them what their hearts desire when maybe maybe there is no wizard at the other end maybe the yellow brick road is not meant for you maybe you have to actually take to the skies and do it yourself and I love the story of Elphaba because that's what she has to figure out how to do to let it all go and find and write her own story. Film maker John Chu's new memoir is called Viewfinder, a memoir of seeing and being seen. Thank you so much, John, for spending this time with me.

I so appreciated it. Thank you. I love spending this time with me. I so appreciated it. Thank you. I love spending any time with a person from Los Altos. This episode was produced by Janaki Mehta and Brianna Scott. It was edited by Courtney Dorney. Our executive producer is Sammy Yannigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Elsa Chang.