Corporate Survivor with Mei Phing : Career Growth In The Corporate World - Ep121: When you feel like you don't have motivation.

Episode Date: May 5, 2022

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Welcome to the Corporate Survivor Podcast, where we talk about how to grow your career confidence, build your skills and value, increase your salary, and the many lessons we learn in the corporate world. For more career support, click on over to www.mayping.com. This is Mayping, your corporate leader turned career coach. I hope you enjoy, like and subscribe. Hello, hello, hello and welcome back to another day, another live stream. So this is part of my 30-day careers live stream series and today we are in day five and I'm very inspired to talk about this one topic that has never ending on social media, including LinkedIn.

And it's all about motivation, motivation and motivation. And the standard complaint, struggle, challenge that a lot of people are sharing on the platform is I don't have motivation. How can I get motivated? What can I do to feel inspired? You know, can you, maybe can you inspire me? All these are pretty standard comments that I hear from people who leave comments on my posts, you know, drop me DMs, not just on LinkedIn, but, you know, Instagram, YouTube, all these other platforms that I am on. So, you know, motivation is one of those topics that I am very passionate about because I feel, and now I feel, personal opinion, I feel that people are

nowadays searching for motivation more than action. So, let me repeat that. People now prefer motivation rather than action. In fact, to go into more detail around that, I think nowadays, a lot of people are mistaking motivation for action. Now, I'm going to give you some examples here so that you can, you know, better resonate what I'm saying. Basically, right, if you are reading a motivational post, yeah, you know, you may feel good about it and so forth, but don't make the mistake, right, of thinking that you have taken action to solve a problem, to solve an issue in your career, and actually taken tangible steps to move forward. You have only read that piece of motivational content. That's it. Reading versus doing, not the same thing, right? Consuming

versus action, it's not the same thing. And I think this is really one of the things that I think people are confused. And, you know, it's like, let me give a better example here. It's like, I can watch like as many Kung Fu videos on YouTube, but unless I go out there and like practice my Kung Fu skills, which you guys know is not exactly going to happen, technically, I'm just getting motivated. Getting motivated from all these videos

and making me feel good that I can do these things. If I try hard enough, if I pat myself on the back hard enough, I can actually achieve all these things. But the real thing is then, have I actually done anything? Have I actually taken tangible steps to move forward? Now, again, as I said, motivation versus action is not the same thing. It may be, you know,

you may easily get confused. Nowadays, you know, there's just tons of motivational content out there, a lot of inspiring content, a lot of stories that are designed to tug at your heartstrings, and that's fine, right? That's just the art of storytelling, and that's fine. But I think you should really, really assess whether are you actually taking any real insights from what you have read, what you have listened, or what you have watched, is from a blog, a post, or YouTube video, or TikTok video, Instagram stories,

or through a podcast, then the real question is then, what have you done about it? Now, I don't want to be too critical here, but I do find that um people do enjoy motivational content more than taking action and um i think it's a shame i think it's a shame now i also want to tell you guys like a very very quick story you know one of the quotes that i truly believe in and it's called confidence comes from competence a lot of times like natural motivation comes

once you keep doing the damn thing it's like the more you do it, the better you get at it. And the more like you become better at it, you'll find it less difficult to just do it, basically. So this is how you develop consistency and continue to drive the inner motivation through taking action and more importantly taking action in the right direction now this is a process and what that also means is that a process takes time because you are building foundations right but unfortunately most people want shortcuts most people want to do things fast most people want the quick hacks the magic fixes you know the cheat sheets and that does not necessarily work in the long run so I actually had a client I think this she's actually the first client that I've ever worked with and if you want to listen to more

of her story it's actually in episode 62 of my podcast so this particular client like when she first first approached me and she was my first client ever in 2019 like very late 2019 when I wasn't even you know doing, doing a career coaching yet. So when she first came to me, one of her constant complaints to me is, oh, Mei Ping, I feel so demotivated. I feel like I can't do this, I can't do that. Or I'm really bad at doing ABCDE.

Understand? But the problem was that she couldn't tell me what action has she taken, aside from the fact that she's been thinking about it, thinking about it, and then telling people that she's not progressing or telling people that she's facing all these problems. But what has she actually done? Now, we had several career coaching sessions, consultation sessions,

that one of the problems that I identified in her is that she seeks a lot of comfort from reading motivational content now i completely understand right when you're feeling really like down in the dumps right motivational content is one of those things is like gives you the quick hurrah it's like a band-aid but does it actually solve a long-term problem i think that's the question that only you can you know you need to be honest with yourself it's like an right? You're just like seeing the top and then you're trying to like patch the top and, you know, with like good content.

But like, guess what? The root cause problem actually is not resolved, right? And therefore, because the root cause problem is not resolved, what's going to happen is you will continue to feel demotivated because all these like, you know, Friday night drinking sessions, right? Money that you spend at the spa or something, like money that you spend to serve as a distraction from whatever problems that you need to solve or, you know, or maybe gaining clarity on your career direction, whatever that is, right?

Either it's a goal or it's a challenge that you need to overcome. Until you get clarity, motivation is not going to come. Like motivation is a result of clarity. Clarity first and then you get clarity, motivation is not going to come. Like motivation is a result of clarity. Clarity first, and then you get motivated. Now, back to that client that I was talking about. After we have gotten clear that, okay, you know, it's a hard pill to swallow, but honesty to yourself is really important. So after going through the list of like, okay, you know,

these are all the skills that she's lacking. Some are personality driven. Some are actually skill set-driven, right? So personality versus skill set, completely different. There are some correlation for sure. And this is something I actually go into a little bit more detail in my course where I have like a full-on module two only on personality and people dynamics and then moving into module three, assessing skills gap.

So we do a lot of the correlation work there. But anyway, back to this client story. So she had to acknowledge that there are a lot of things that she had to fix, right? So identifying your skills gap and acknowledging that you have challenges and then also acknowledging the feelings as well. So are you escaping? Or are you being brave to say,

okay, I know that communication is a problem. I'm going to fix it. I know that productivity is a problem. I want to fix it. I know that getting along with people at work is a problem. Or I know that stepping out of the comfort zone is a problem and I need to fix that. Or I hate networking, but I need to fix that. Whatever that is.

Are you, number one, even aware of that problem? Number two, are you actually taking real action? And when I say real action, I don't mean reading motivational content. Reading motivational content is just like, and this was an actual analogy that I told my friend a long time ago who signed up for a yoga class at the gym. So after she signed up for the yoga class, like, sorry, detour here,

but it's a really interesting story, I promise. It's really related to this motivational thing. So now, so my best friend, right, she signed up for this yoga class, right? She was very happy, paid the fees and everything. Then she went out shopping. So she bought the yoga gear, like whatever, yada, yada, yada.

But when it came to the time to go to the damn class, she wasn't very interested. She was like, well, you know, it's kind of tiring. It's a little bit far. All the excuses came. Now, it's actually very similar to the point that I was trying to make earlier of like reading content, looking at all the fancy stuff, all the colors.

It's not the same as doing the damn thing or taking the action to solve the same as doing the damn thing or taking the action to solve the problem or taking the action to go and get whatever clarity that you need in your career. Now, clarity can come from many places. You could do some digging, you know, self-reflection or whatever. You could go and talk to a coach, a mentor. You can go talk to a family member. You can talk to somebody online, whatever that is. Either you seek it internally or you seek it externally. But it's a very, very important step to go through that barrier so that the real motivation comes from within.

Now, this is also a bit of an unpopular opinion because I know that everybody comes to me saying, Demi Pin, can you give me the quick hacks, the magic tricks and stuff? But self-awareness and self-assessment is something that I highly, highly advocate. And, you know, for clients who work with me on like longer term or even sign up for my online course, right, you'll notice that like mindset, self-awareness, self-awareness on particularly your personality, your own habits, and more importantly, the next step after that, how does it actually relate to the skills in terms of is a good skill or a skills gap that you have like that is that is like half the course

half the course then after that only you can deep dive into stuff that you need to fix right because if you don't know what you don't know then it's a blind spot thing it doesn't matter like where you're going to look for the motivation because the motivation is coming from a fluffy place that like doesn't really solve a problem but does that make sense like really think about what i say here because this is a common problem that honestly if you're feeling this way you are not the only one there are a lot of people who are also facing this exact problem but they don't know how what to do and then they just find it like a circular situation. A circular situation. So challenge yourself and be objective.

I think being objective and being honest with yourself is very important, right? Asking, you know, ask yourself whether are you just consuming for the sake of consuming and like what magic do you think is going to come out from that? Or are you actually taking action? Now, I'm going to give you guys another example and i'm going to talk about interview coaching because for the past few days i've been doing like back-to-back interview coaching sessions i feel like right now is probably the time where everybody's looking for a job for some reason so i've been doing like multiple interview coaching sessions like back-to-back days so if you're tuning into this live stream like live

live live you'll notice that i've been talking about interview a lot. That's because I've been facing with clients preparing for interviews quite a lot. So anyway, back to this interview coaching sessions. So obviously, recently, there are a lot of people who reached out to me to get interview feedback, to get my perspectives as a hiring manager

and to help them point out what's wrong with their answer and restructure their interview answers to be better. Now, what I find very interesting is that for a lot of these people, they have actually been silently struggling for a long time. Now, I want to walk you through their journey so that like maybe you can resonate what I'm saying here. Now, them if not all of them all started with motivational content reading content on social media by looking at like oh hiring manager sucks right right the bosses need to be better yada yada yada so it's all motivational inspirational content so if you've been spending time on social media i think you understand what i'm saying here so each and every one of my interview coaching clients all started from the point of like

reading all these inspirational content or content that is like blasting hiring managers hri recruiters and like responding on social media now how has that helped their interview skills it's not helping it's not helping so what then happened is that they actually went for the interviews right so the clients who come to me have already most of them have been to like four or five rounds of interviews but like could not pass could not progress or could not land the job offer and they don't know why um guess what the motivational content is not going to help you now because now what you're lacking is not motivation it's skill because interview or you know workplace, everything comes down to skill. Once you master the mindset,

you actually, I mean, clearly all my clients are enthusiastic, right? Otherwise, why would they be applying for a job if they are lazy? So they are totally not lazy people. They know what they want

and they are going for it. But what's now missing is the skill. So all of them suffered for months looking at motivational content, hoping that it will help, but it did not because what they did not realize is that they are lacking skill.

And skill, you need to develop. You need to go and get a different perspective. You need to learn how to structure your answers so that you can get better. Now, 10,000 motivational pieces of content is not going to help you get there because no skill is being transferred. It's like, I can watch like 100 hours of Kung like, you know, 100 hours of Kung Fu videos.

Like, I am not going to be able to Kung Fu any better than whatever I'm doing right now, which is like, nothing. So, some food for thought, some food for thought. It may sound a little bit harsh or heavy, but I just really wanted to share the experiences that, you know,

not just one client recently have encountered, but multiple, multiple, multiple clients who have come to me with similar problems. Because normally, right, just to share with you, normally when clients come to me, one of the questions that I like to ask them is like, so what have you done about your problems? And a lot of them, I find that they will say

that they have been watching YouTube. So clearly they're not getting answers from YouTube or rather they're not getting the right answers from YouTube. Or they tell me that they've been following some influencer and you know, taking some advice that didn't work out. So now again, inspiration versus like real career advice, like not the same thing, right? Just because somebody gives you the rah-rah-rah doesn't mean that the person can actually help you. So hopefully you can actually separate those two because it's definitely not the same thing. So anyway, I want to wrap up this point very quickly and say that if you find yourself telling yourself that, hey, I don't have motivation,

that likely means that you lack clarity, right? That's why you're not clear on what you want and therefore you cannot commit to an action. Or number two, you just don't have the right strategy to take action. So because you don't know what the steps are and therefore you are just not going to do it because you feel lost to begin with, right? So you don't even know if it's the right thing and you don't really want to waste your time to go and do something that you're not sure is going to work out or not.

So either or, either or, it makes sense too. You just need to know like kind of know where you are on the scale. So if it's a clarity problem, like I said, then before any action, you should go and get some clarity first as to actually what you want, what's stopping you, or maybe you're making mistakes that you're not even aware that you're making. So that's all part of clarity.

And the second thing is that if you find yourself being afraid to take any action, then the question that you need to ask yourself is, what's stopping you? Is it you don't know the strategy? You don't know the steps? Or have you tried the steps before? It didn't work?

Are you listening to the right people? Are you looking at the right advice? Are you getting the right advice from the right people, from the right sources for advice that actually work? Or you're trying to get some inspiration and try to implement, which, you know, clearly it's not going to happen, right? Okay, anyway, that's a bit of a rant, but, you know, motivation is one of those topics that I'm super passionate about, and I have definitely seen people, or rather my clients, who manage to bounce back from like a very very very

low time to do self-reflection understand their personality a little bit more than yeah self assessment being aware of the skill gap and then taking actions to upskill which is obviously a longer term process but it's really really important if you really want to set yourself up for long-term success so So my question to you is, do you constantly find yourself facing motivational problems? And what are you doing about them? Do you read motivational content? Do you go to YouTube?

Do you go to Spotify? Do you DM and ask for help? Do you hire a coach? Do you go and talk to a mentor? Or do you talk to your family? So what's your experience like? Yeah, I mean, let me know. If you are watching live right now,

just drop a comment and let me know what you are doing or rather, yeah, or like what's keeping you stuck? What's stopping you from taking action? Is it, like I said, is it a clarity problem or is it like an action problem?

Which is it? So if you're watching live right now, feel free to drop a comment and share. We'd be interested to see what you all think about it. So let me have a quick look at probably some of the questions that are related to motivation. So I'm seeing a question here saying that I'm feeling demotivated. People kept saying that I'm a CPA, but I don't work like a CPA. Now, at the end of the day, it's really how you work, right?

That's a combination of personality and skills that will actually make up the work habits as well as the competence. So yeah, I mean, education education i always believe that education is only the first step yes it's great to get that education but the second thing that is actually more important is how you adapting to every every new job now every new job right requires a new version of you and usually a more upgraded version of you depending on the job requirements and that is why in my signature course, the first module and first phase, right, is always like getting clear on the corporate world. And we'll

actually go through what to expect at a new job, how to go through the matrix to outline what is the expectation. And if you have relevant skills gap and really to iron out expectations, like the first thing that you do, because if you don't iron out the expectations again right back to what i say it's no clarity so no clarity how are you going to get motivated to do your job like it's not going to happen but if the question is a little bit broader to talk about career change then okay then there's a career clarity career options and career direction problem that's maybe a little bit deeper of is that really what you want to do and yes like okay then what then what else is stopping you and if that's not

what you want to do then like what else you you want to potentially explore now i can't go into detail here because i don't really know um what this actual situation is but i actually do have a training um okay so it's right here on www.growyourcorporatecareer.com. So in this training, I actually go through the six steps of what you need to know when doing career planning. And one of the first steps that I talk about is career interest and direction, where I go through the six common mindset challenges or mindset blocks that many job seekers go through.

So whether you're an active job seeker or just someone exploring as well, these mindset blocks will apply to you. And I also do share how you can overcome that or rather some of the root causes that's causing that and there's some of the actions that you can take. So if there's something that you want to do a little bit more or find out a little bit more, you can always go to www.growyourcorporatecareer.com to access the six-step training. So if that is like a bit of a career change sort of situation. Okay.

Alright. Hi, Marco. Good to see you again. A very loyal listener of this live stream. I know that I'm not promoting this live stream at all, but I think the reason why I wanted to go live is because I've been seeing a lot of content on social media.

Some I agree with, but I guess most of it is just storytelling with no basis. So there's just a lot on my mind. So I wanted to come on live stream and share some of the thoughts of recurring teams that I've been seeing, like recurring career teams that I've been seeing, particularly on linkedin if not on other social media platforms that that i hang out on instagram you know tiktok youtube and all these other places then yeah talk about it a little bit more so don't worry every day we'll have a completely new topic it's just that i have not been very consistent to publish the new topics but rest assured that we will go live at nine o'clock

GMT plus eight and that's Singapore, Malaysia and Hong Kong time every single day in May. So that is my promise to you. So if you happen to just catch today and today is day five then you are also welcome to watch or listen to the replay on Spotify as well as YouTube. So feel free to check those out as well. So in some of the previous episodes, I talked about working hard versus working smart, which is better. Or, you know, between family and money, how do you prioritize and which one can you choose first? I also talked about, you know, putting all your eggs in one basket by relying on just that one person to help you plan and grow your career so like multiple interesting topics that i want to continue to explore um as the month goes by so if you have a topic suggestion

right if you have a topic suggestion um definitely let me know drop me a dm with the um topic that you would um that you would recommend and yeah probably you'll hear about it in one of the upcoming live streams so uh the topic can be related to career mindset, career planning, job search, work skills, networking, LinkedIn, all these areas that I do cover in one-on-one coaching as well as in my courses. So these are what I consider my area of expertise, given that I've worked in the corporate world for more than 10 years in leadership positions. So a lot of things that I share are things that you'll likely not get access to unless you have been a hiring manager or you're somebody who has worked in senior leadership positions as well. So yeah, if you have any interesting topics that you want to explore or you're spending some time on social media and you see some pieces of advice or content

that you're not really sure whether, you know, the advice is good advice or bad advice, then yeah, definitely drop me a DM and let me know that you want this topic to be discussed in an upcoming live stream. And yeah, just make sure that you dial in on time. So we go live at like nine o'clock every single day in May. So make sure that you catch the replay as well.

There'll be more interesting topics as the month goes by also. All right. catch the replay as well. There'll be more interesting topics as the month goes by also. All right, so let me have a look at some other interesting questions. All right, so the question here is, how do you gain clarity when each industry is pretty disruptive due to technology? Now, this is a very, very broad question, and I don't really know what kind of role that you are, what kind of job that you do, what kind of company, or what kind of industry as well. But if just looking at the way that this question is designed, I can probably deduce that because of e-commerce, fintintech and all those things, everything is changing. Now, if you want to adapt to a growing industry, to an emerging industry or an industry that is actually being disrupted, then personally, I don't really advocate technical skills as much

as probably, you know, from other coaches or trainers. And the reason is because technical skills is something that you can pick up. But the transferable skills, right, are the ones that are going to help you go a much longer way. So I almost say that, like, if you really want to gain clarity, you know, in a very disruptive time, then you should truly assess whether, what do you actually want to do in the next few years?

Like, what would help you grow and really do a proper self-reflection on your personality and go and fix your skills gap? Because I have also, I'm not sure if you guys know, but in 2013, when fintech was a nothing,

fintech was nothing in 2013, right? I actually joined Visa, which is obviously a payments technology company. And during that time, a lot of people said this was stupid. Like maybe you're making a really dumb decision maybe at that time i thought i was making a really stupid decision as well but why i went for it was because i thought that like okay so i have consulting experience but i've never really had an experience of working in an mnc and specifically in a in a very new industry like payments technology, and it's very niche as well.

So I felt that there was a lot of benefits that I could gain from it. You know, I could gain knowledge in an industry that probably most people will not have the experience as well, amongst other things, right? And how that sort of turned out, I mean, honestly, the way I got the job wasn't because I had, like, a lot of technical skills, but I had really a lot of transferable skills, like technical skills, but I had really a lot of transferable skills,

like people skills, productivity, communication, stakeholder management, all these other things that are equally important as well. Because think about it, a disruptive industry usually needs agility. It needs adaptability. And that's when communication, productivity, critical thinking, problem solving,

you know, self-leadership, yeah, yeah, yeah. All these are even way more important. Like I have managed like IT people, even though I don't really have an IT background. And how I can, how I did that wasn't because I had any, you know, technical skills.

Obviously I had enough, but it wasn't good enough to like, obviously, you know, for that kind of like tech person, if you get what I'm trying to say so yeah you should i think you should um really spend a little bit of time to ask yourself like what does growth look like for you and really take stock of your skills gap and then improving them one by one so that you can infuse that into your career story and be able to navigate out if you need to. But otherwise, it also helps you to survive better as well.

So if you want to learn a little bit more, you can actually go to, as I was saying earlier, the free training at www.growyourcorporatecareer.com. So in the second half of the training, when I go into step five and six, I actually share my three-step framework on how you can survive at basically any company using my three-step framework,

which is get clear, get confident, and get visible. So if you want to spend a little bit of time on that, you can definitely go and do that. And more detailed step-by-step lessons is actually something that I teach in my course, which is the corporatesurvivor.co. So if there's something you want to find out as well, you can definitely go and check it out also. Okay, so let's have a look at some of the other things. Okay. Hi, Renadette. Good to see you here. So, you're saying that I have an interview sometime soon. So, all the best in your interview. And I think that, and if let's say you have an extra bit of time, go and check out the live stream that I did on day three. And that's the 3rd of May. You can find it on YouTube or on Spotify,

where I actually went through the biggest interview mistakes that a lot of job seekers make. So I think you'll maybe find it really helpful as well. So you can definitely check it out after today's live stream to see if you can get any interesting insights from it. So learn what not to do, then learn what to do. That has always been my philosophy. You first learn what not to do, and then you learn what to do. So it's like how I was describing it to my client the other day was like, it's like a boat, right? You're rowing a boat. But if your boat has a lot of holes, then how are

you going to row faster? How are you going to get anywhere? So it's better to patch the holes. And when I mean patch the holes means you learn what not to do. So you eliminate the mistake, then you learn the right right strategy then you learn the right steps then it's going to be way more effective because if you're trying to learn a bunch of things while still making a lot of mistakes that you're not aware of like that's not going to go well like it will actually stop your progress in that sense okay so i wish you all the best. So let me have a look.

Okay, now this is going to be the last question. So the last question is, I have trouble getting along with people, but I don't know what action to take. Now, again, this actually, a lot of it kind of goes back to personality as well. So I think if you have, you are struggling to get along with people,

to communicate with people, to, you know, really to align people in many sense, you need to kind of go back to your personality because each and every one of us is different and that's okay, but you should actually be aware of like how you are and how somebody else is. So it's a little bit of a long-winded story here, but I have multiple episodes on personality, you know,

communication, getting along with people so you can definitely check out my podcast on spotify apple podcast or google podcast or the video versions are on youtube um however this is actually something that i go through a little bit more detail in my online course um the corporate survivor specifically phase one where after talking about the corporate mindset culture and preparing for your job for your new job the phase the module two actually is all about people understanding yourself understanding other people and also under understanding people dynamics so a little bit of a long story and you know it's not really something that you can easily fix but there are

some steps to get better but i think if you really just want to get started, you can definitely check out the multiple podcast episodes and I think that will be super duper helpful as well. Okay, now I'm going to take a very last question here because I think it's a pretty interesting one. So how do I grow from a consultant into a leader? So basically what I'm seeing here is probably a senior executive that's trying to become a leader or a manager of some sort. So a few things. First, every career level requires a new version of you. So are you having the right mindset and really have a good

understanding of what are the roles of a leader and what you need to focus on. And then once you know that, you can then focus on upskilling. Now, upskilling normally is in multiple areas, but the four groupings that I normally teach is communication, relationship, critical thinking, and productivity. Now, you need to learn how to manage all of these on your own first because when you become a leader, you're going to manage somebody else. That's going to be way more complicated. So you need to assess your own skills gap first. Then, you know, if you're not good enough, then like fix it

as you position yourself. And obviously the final part is then making sure that you're visible, getting recognized for your contribution, performance review or through networking sessions so that you can continue progress upwards and be given the opportunities because you are the one at the forefront. Now, it sounds complicated, but it's not really as complicated as it is. So, this is actually covered, as I was actually saying earlier as well, in the free training, www.growacorporatecareer.com, the second half of the training, I again go through the three-step framework, get clear, confident, and visible in terms of growing your career. So, I actually also go through the three-step framework, get clear, confident, and visible in terms of growing your career. So I actually also go through the career ladder as well.

So from fresh graduate to junior executive, senior executive, manager, director, and C-suite CEO, what are the expectations and what you actually need to focus on.

So I think that particular part you'll find actually really interesting. So hopefully the free training helps you. So you can just check it out over here. Okay. So thank you everybody for joining.

Some really, really interesting questions today. So as usual, if you want to check out the replay, I will be uploading it on YouTube as well as my podcast. So feel free to check out the replay for this live stream there or any other previous days as well. And as usual, for every single day in May, I will go live at 9 o'clock, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong time

on a very interesting career topic. So if you have any topic suggestions that you want to hear a bit more of, drop me a DM. If you need help with your career as usual, drop me a DM as well. And I'll see you in tomorrow's live stream. With that, good night and have a good day.

All the best in your career. Bye. And I'll see you in tomorrow's live stream. With that, good night and have a good day. All the best in your career. Bye.