Couple Things with Shawn and Andrew - 111 Jordan Davis and Kristen O'Connor

Episode Date: April 22, 2022

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Today we have an awesome couple for you. We have Jordan and Kristen Davis. Jordan Davis is one of my favorite country music artists. We are so excited to get them on the show. They are going through so much in life right now because, A, they have two kids, a daughter and son, almost identical ages to Drew and Jet. And Jordan Davis is blowing up. He is one of the more successful country music artists right now, having recently released by Dirt, which we all know. Let me just read this to you.

It is platinum certified number one, received a nomination for the 55th annual CMA Awards, nominated for single of the year, song of the year, music event of the year. This is currently his fastest moving single to date in the number three most consumed country song of 2022. It's reached over 250 million global streams. It's landed on four different viral charts, U.S., Canada, Australia, South Africa, and has been inside the top 200 country streaming chart all 34 weeks. since release. I mean, there's like six more paragraphs that I could go through. But he's a boss. He's an amazing musician.

We talked to them about his start in the music industry, her career as a very successful lawyer, how they travel on the road, how they have that dynamic of kind of doing long distance, having two babies, being in the limelight, all of it. It's a wonderful conversation. I think we can now call them friends.

So without further ado, Jordan and Kristen Davis. Jordan, Kristen, pleasure to have yawn. It's good to meet you. We are just right up the road. So I feel like we should be doing this in person. But regardless, we have been long awaiting this interview. So thanks for making it happen. No, absolutely. Thank you all for having us on. We're stoked. I feel like this has been a long-awaited interview because, Jordan, you're literally blowing up the world with your music. So I understand that you guys are pretty busy right now. Yeah. It's been, it has. It's been crazy, but super blessed. That's awesome. So I would

love to hear, I don't know how many interviews you guys do together, but Kristen, could you tell the story of how you and Jordan met? Yeah, sure. So it's very serendipitous. We were both in home of Louisiana, which is a pretty small town in the bayou in Louisiana, and we were there for separate weddings. So I was there for a college roommate's wedding, and Jordan was there for one of his best friends' weddings, and we just happened to be staying in the same hotel after the wedding.

We both ended up in the lobby of the hotel and we were all with, you know, our respective, like, groups of friends and just kind of bumped into each other, like, by happenstance in the lobby. And we ended up with the group of friends from their wedding, the group of friends from my wedding, just hanging out in the lobby until, like, three, four o'clock in the morning. They were playing, they had some guitars and some beers, and we just kind of crashed their party. and really after that that's really like how we actually met and then after that we ended up all going back to new Orleans the next day like respectively our groups and just ended up kind of hanging out Jordan actually canceled his flight and stayed an extra day in New Orleans and we he like hung out with me and my 30 sorority sisters um odds were good I'll forget somebody would and uh and yeah ended up just kind of tagging along with us for the rest of the weekend.

And then I was still living in Virginia at the time and I flew home. And a couple weeks later came to Nashville for CMA Fest. He told me that he and his brother were songwriters and they were playing CMA Fest. And that was basically all I knew about them. And I already had some friends here. So we came, a girlfriend and I came here and under the guise of coming to visit my girlfriends that were here. but really so I could kind of hang out with Jordan and yeah we kind of like I mean I would say like that weekend really like solidified the fact that we knew we wanted to kind of take this to

the next level and I said songwriters I was actually a bartender that was an aspiring songwriter but uh that songwriter sounded better at the time so definitely lured me in with the idea of him being a song yeah I think she thought that uh yeah she was marrying like Shane McNeather or somebody But no check, yeah, that wasn't it. What, what CMA, what year was at CMAFest, if you don't mind me asking? 2014. Yeah, 2014. Dude.

I was to say, Andrew hooked me with CMAFest, too, 2013. Okay. Yeah, man, we got the same game, Jordan, let's go. We met, and then I kind of just blew him off. And then he invited me to CMA Fest, and he's like, come have a good time. I knew friends here. I came to meet him, and I was like, okay, the rest of him. history. She canceled her flight, but I sold her, just like you said, you know, you're a songwriter

while being a bartender. I said, I was like, you know, I got like these awesome, what I say, like tickets for this. I said I had awesome tickets for the CNFS and I had zero tickets. I was in college with no money, so I had to like scrounge. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, that's funny. That was kind of with me whenever I changed my flight, I had like, I almost took a megabus ticket from Nashville to New Orleans for the wedding. Like, I couldn't even afford a plane ticket. So I think my brother hooked me out with a plane ticket.

And then on the way back, I just put it on a credit card that took me like five months to finally pay off. So, yeah, I didn't have any business doing that, but luckily it worked out. So, Jordan, you went to LSU. Kristen, where did you

go to school? I went to James Madison for undergrad and then William and Mary for law school. So I was Virginia girl. Wow. Wow, wait. I'm not going to lie. I mean, just from the bona fides alone, Jordan, she seems way smarter than you.

The resume. 100%. Yeah, sometimes getting into arguments with your spouse is tough, much less getting into arguments with your spouse, who's also a lawyer. Like, I don't stand a chance on family arguments over here. She's pretty good at it. He puts up a good fight, though.

I do. I do do that. He's probably learned some, like, lawyer jargon over the years and like throw it back i feel like i could i feel like i could hang with the best of them so Kristen do you do you guys work together then like do you i don't want do you like represent him as a lawyer do you guys like i i don't do entertainment law at all anyway and never have so and a little i don't need to mix business with pleasure that much we already do enough together in a in a week so um no i i don't work with him at all i i read

over stuff sometimes just mostly because I'm interested and the music industry is unlike any other industry from a business perspective I think so it's interesting to me but no I don't actually represent him in any way what type of law are you in mergers and acquisitions I do mostly public company work that's awesome way smarter than me big dogs way smarter than all of us right now. Jordan, how'd you propose? So actually, we had a little kind of townhouse, tall and skinny in East Nashville, and that was where we got, you know, where that was our first house we bought together.

So I just proposed at the house, but I went and got, I think I had like 300 candles. You could see the house from space. It was just lit up in candles. So, yeah, I just had, I had a bunch of candles around the house. I had a friend of mine take her out for, like, happy hour, and then she kind of came back to the house, not expecting, which I should have thought about this, but, like, she could see that the house was, like, blowing,

like, once she turned on the street, because, like, all the lights were off. So, yeah, I just waited until she got home. I dressed both of our dogs up in tuxedos. So I made it pretty formal. and yeah I just proposed to her whenever she walked in but here's here's the thing that Kristen respects me for this instead of just putting I just bought like a bunch of candles from like the dollar general store so they didn't have like stands or anything but I bought a bunch of

parchment paper so that because I didn't know when she was going to get home so these candles were burning for like two hours and so I put parchment paper down so the wax never got on anything And she was like, like right after she says yes, she's like, oh my gosh, and you didn't let the wax get on anything. I was like, yeah, it's a win. That's awesome. That's awesome. Real heads up play there. I would not have had that insight for sure.

No, you wouldn't have. No, yeah. There would have been wax everywhere. I would have lost the house, be honest with you. Yeah. Would no longer have brought us. You think by the time you light 300 candles, the first one's like already burnt through. Oh, yeah.

it was definitely a some of them were some of them were hanging on by thread they were those big like pillar candles we actually I kept all of them because I don't know it was like a sweet momentum and we just use them and actually we just moved and I packed them all up and unpacked and we've only got like four or five left so Jordan when it comes to your music how much we've we've had a few other musicians on our show and it's always fascinating to hear each individual person's like inspiration behind their music and since you are a song How much of your inspiration actually comes from your relationship and your life? And are there boundaries there of what you're allowed to sing about or write about and what you're not?

For me, songwriting, the key, the biggest part of it is honesty. And I think that as far as, especially in the country genre, it's easy for the listener to not connect or feel the honesty in a song. It's also easy for them to connect with the honesty in song. it is genuine. So for me, you know, I've written a lot about our relationship. I've, you know, wrote about how we met. I have written songs about our fights. I've just recently recorded a song on my last EP called Trying. I wrote the day after me and Kristen had a big fight, and I never planned on recording it. It was kind of more just,

like, you know, I was in a bad mood and I just felt like I needed to write this kind of apology song and I ended up recording it. So to answer the question on that, I guess there is no boundary on what gets recorded and what doesn't. But I feel like I always, you know, even if it's like a story about, you know, lost love or something, I feel like I always connect with or try to draw back on on how much I love Kristen and you know those early days of us dating and the feelings that I had because you know everybody has that y'all have that all couples have have those memories of of the young love so I mean it does it it plays a lot into my songwriting real quick let's take a break and hear from our sponsors

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since I moved here. And at that point, you know, Jordan wasn't, he was just songwriting and like you said, a bartender. And so nobody really thought anything of it. And so it's really only been in the last couple years that now people that I work with, like know who Jordan is and have put those pieces together. I also go by my maiden name at work just because that's what my law degree is in and that's how my clients knew me so people don't always put it together but it is interesting now that people have started to kind of put it together and then a lot of times it's honestly people I work with that plug jordan to our clients and like you know Kristen's like married to this like famous country artist and so the conversations are interesting but you know

it's been it it's kind of a crazy like juxtaposition of like my work life is very formal and I don't know, probably like kind of boring. And then his life is so wild and different and much more entertaining. So it's been a learning curve, like trying to figure out how to balance the two and my work's really demanding. But I think at the end of the day,

it keeps it interesting. And I like to be able to play kind of in both worlds. I have kind of the best of both worlds, I think. We got an argument this morning because we don't ever have time to book, trip. So like we're like drinking coffee and she's like hey when are we taking a trip I was like I don't know no no time in the next four months and before we know it we're like you know like god we can't ever go anywhere. When are you guys taking trips with two kids and two careers?

It's not is the point. I think that's it. We're kind of trying to trying to find those times now. Thankfully we have some great grandparents that come in and can watch the kiddos for a weekend. So We're able to sneak away for a little bit. How old are your babies now? Because your son's really, I think we have kids very similar in eight years. Yeah, two and six months. Yeah, two and six months. Yeah, you guys are in, I feel yeah.

We all should just get a drink together. Jeez. Yeah, ours are two and a half and eight months. So. Gosh. Yeah. But hey, there's nothing better in the world. Yeah, how is it for you guys balancing both of your careers,

two babies under the age of three and just like the chaos that comes with that I don't know for me it gets you know I mean I'm grateful for I truly would not want to be doing anything else in the world than playing music and playing shows being on the road especially coming off of the last

years you know two years that we had we weren't able to play shows I like I got to see my life without music and it wasn't it wasn't great the thing that's tough for me is like you know being on the road three or four days coming home you know you're tired and you get thrown right into to dad mode and you kind of feel like you're halfway there or you just want to go sleep and then you do go lay down and you're like gosh I should be spending time with my daughter or you know

hang and so I think for me it's just that's that's my biggest I guess you could say regret sometimes it's coming home tired and not not wanting to want to be there for the kiddos because well y'all know two-year-olds are tough you know they can't really say anything you don't know what they're asking for and then our six-month-old just kind of sits there so it's like you know I could be taking a nap, but that's my, that's the thing. I guess what I'm saying is that's my goal this year to be better at, to be more present, tired or not when I come off the road and I'm home for a couple days. Yeah, it's definitely a, two to one is definitely an adjustment.

I think it's, you know, that's the joke, you know, it's man-on-man coverage now. And I think the jobs and the move, I think the most, I think the, move was I underestimated how much work it is just to move again and move with two kids and you know the immediate thing to do was get their rooms and the playroom put together in our room I mean we've only been here since Friday it's been you know just a couple of days but our room in our closets and our bath since Friday yeah it's a like just move this weekend what you what you're what you're seeing is the cleanest wall behind us That's why we decided to put the backdrop.

The only wall without a box on it. Yeah. That's it. That is it. Yeah. So it's a, I think the move added an extra level of chaos. And we had a lot of help. My parents were here this weekend to help while we unpacked. But it's just been a wild couple.

You know, I feel like we're always saying, we just have to get through this week. And then next week's going to be easier. And it never gets that way. but it's definitely you know somewhat organized chaos over here but if y'all if y'all figure it out y'all give us a call and let us know that's basically what we're saying I will say Jordan much thanks to your song by dirt Sean is just perpetually looking at new places to live so hopefully we in my I don't want to move but I know and you just heard it from Kristen that it's tough I know it's tough but I feel what you're saying about the kids

and like being the the tension between wanting to give work you're all because you love it and it's a good thing that you're doing but then also realizing that like this phase with the kids you only get one time like you get one shot at it and then like for you you're you're taking off too which adds a whole other layer of complexity and kind of emotions around it but even last night I'm sitting there after like a long day and I wanted to be with the kids But then, you know, they're crying. They're bumping each other's heads. They're like rowdy and whining and yada. And I was just like, I turned to shine.

I was like, dude, this is hard. Like I want to be with them. But it's, you know, they're not going to do it on my terms. So it's like there's always kind of this struggle that you're trying to balance. Anyway, I think I think you voiced that very well. I am curious though, Kristen, because Jordan and you guys are on the road so much and because kind of the musician life is a little bit more outside of the house now,

especially after we're coming out of the pandemic. How is that dynamic for you? And for you guys as you're, do you try to take the babies on the road all the time? Are you kind of splitting time from home? How have you guys figured that one out? We really don't since, well, Elis was born right before the pandemic.

So she really, we didn't travel at all, obviously. And ultimately, I think, We've done a little bit of traveling this year, but it's really around, like, fun trips. Like, Jordan played a show in Montana, so we went out for a week to do that. But I don't think at this point in our life, like, because my work schedule and how young the kids are, we're not like a traveling family. He kind of goes out and does, you know, weekend runs or, you know, three or four days and then comes home. And I'm typically staying home with the kids. And, you know, we have a nanny that comes in during the week so I can work and being at home is so much easier with the kids at this age.

So at this point, we really try to just kind of keep his work separate and then when we're home, we're all home. I think as they get older, you know, maybe there's times where it'll make more sense for us to go out for a weekend. But I used to travel a lot with him, but it's just since, since Eloise was born, it just doesn't make as much sense. It's a lot. I mean, you know, packing up for a weekend is so much more work with kids and it is by yourself. Yeah, I mean, I can just see it's going, doing it more maybe as they get a little older. But yeah, it's just tough, you know, having kids on a bus and, you know, there's a lot of downtime out there on the road. So having, you know, it's tough having kiddos at the house and letting them run wilds and much less trapping them in the back of a bus.

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Jordan, do you play music for the babies? I do for, so Eloise, the oldest one. I would always play guitar for her, and she loved. It really was a thing when she was crying or upset. Like, I could go get my guitar and play, and it would calm her down. She was just mesmerized by it. I think that's worn off now.

She doesn't care about that. No, she loves by dirt. She loves by dirt She said it this morning She saw a picture of Jordan And she said, Daddy, buy dirt It was like a buy dirt CD And she loves it

But if you ever ride in a car with her So she doesn't ever ask me to play live Or anything like that But if you ever ride in a car with her You better be a Jordan Davis fan Because that is all you listen to Is Daddy like that's And it's usually Tucson

It's usually slow dancing in a parking lot And buy dirt just back to back repeat So trips can get pretty trips can drive you crazy yeah that's better than in canto i don't know six songs six songs hearing six songs same one in the row it doesn't matter what it is it's brutal yeah Jordan tell me have you ever been uh driving to a spot with your daughter so you're listening to your own music and then you get out of the car and like someone recognized you and they're like

oh sick you're you're listening to your own Oh gosh, dude, I hope not. I hope that has never happened. God, I hope it probably has. It probably has, and there's somebody that can tell that story. It's like, dude, that Jordan Davis dude just bumps his music. Just driving around, that would be terrible. Yeah, I usually try to make sure that doesn't happen or, like, pull up to a red light,

like make sure it's low enough to where nobody can be like, oh, that's Jordan listening to Jordan. Like, yeah. now I can't stop thinking about like what's happened it probably has it's definitely happened for me yeah like I've for sure pulled up somewhere blaring Jordan's music yeah or watching Eloise's favorite video was the detours video because it has it's just pictures of all of us and I've for sure been on an airplane with you like next to me watching that with Eloise and the people behind us are probably like why are they watching family videos like on the plane? On repeat, the same video over and over. Again, better than cocoa melon. That's all I can say. I'm so over cocoa melon. I'm afraid, though, with both of our boys that we're going to go through a whole new round of it.

What? We got another boy? Each having boys. Each having, like, a young son. Wait a second. We had another boy? I didn't know this. We shouldn't talk about this before.

um with your career jordan um and probably the same for your career christian it's probably been a roller coaster ever since you guys met because jordan you've taken off and everything about your music career has probably changed how has that kind of like tested your relationship in marriage because it's basically two different people to a certain extent in the public situations yeah yeah i think for both of us early on uh I think we just set up, you know, set our foundations in our marriage and our family, you know, with faith being at the center of it and never lose sight of that. And, you know, based in our success off of our faith. And, you know, there's definitely seasons in that where it's stronger in seasons when we get busy and we get away from that.

But, you know, try to take our successes in our careers as blessings and be grateful for them and know that, you know, one of my favorite things or favorite quotes that I heard was, you know, this too shall pass. You know, if you feel like you're in a valley, Tom Hanks actually said this, you feel like you're in a valley and nothing's going your way, this two shall pass. you feel like you're on top of the world and you can't not write a song that's going to work this too shall pass so I think having that at the center of our relationship has been has been really key in being able to just kind of stay level-headed through all this because she's had a lot of I mean you know yeah like you said Sean like she's you know become a partner in her law firm since we got married it's just so many blessings and that have happened to us and you know we just thank the good Lord for them and and enjoy them

and try to you know try to stay level-headed and raise a family yeah I try I think I'm probably the one that reminds Jordan frequently that he's just a normal guy when he's at home and he doesn't get to be an artist when he's at home and he just has to be husband and dad so I like to think that I try to keep us kind of like down here on planet Earth. Yeah. There's nothing like having somebody, you know, you show up to a green room and there's everything you need. There's, you know, all y'all, y'all know, it's, you know, your food, your drinks, everything's

good on Saturday and then you get home on Sunday and your daughter's like, yo, go get me some chaco milk. Like, go, go. Like, it's pretty humbling. Yeah. Kids are are humbling for sure. The this too shall pass. That's honestly been the phrase that I feel like we share as couples the, it sounds like, you know,

the enjoyment of traveling or like new experiences. Like Sean and I, the first three years of our marriage was like always something new. I was trying out for an NFL team getting cut and it was like always this kind of excitement. And the phrase, this two shall pass, it's like, you know, this phase that we're in with the kids is very routine oriented and like kind of locked into one location but it's like this two shall pass and it's something to enjoy but and you know our excitement for travel we will get a scratch that itch again in the future but um anyway my understanding is you guys had the same experience with the uh with giving birth as Sean and I did where I don't know

why I said it like that. The gender reveals, you didn't find out the first time and then the second time you did do a gender reveal? What did you like better? I like finding out. She's going to say no on that. I don't want to, now that we had a boy and girl, like, I don't ever want to know again. I would have never, like, found out, but he really wanted to know. But it's fine, you know. We're running out of, we're running out of, like, Davis lines to carry the last name so like my my brother has three daughters my cousin has a daughter and then I have a sister so it's up to me and my brother's done is that dude no more kids on land it's up to you bro and so when we had Eloise I was like all right we've got to have a Davis boy we've got to have a Davis boy and I

couldn't I couldn't wait another however long to figure out in in the room so but yeah like Chris and said, I'm now, if we, if we get another kiddo, I'm cool with waiting now that we have both, but yeah. Second one I had to know. Okay. So you didn't find out with your first and then you found out with your second. Yeah. Yeah. I think I was the, I was the skeptic the first time because I wanted to find out with our first and he convinced me not to. And then we did the gender reveal for our son. But I'm, I'm all don't find out. Team don't find out. It was. the greatest surprise ever in the delivery room i mean someone said to me there is nothing in this world anymore that it's that's a surprise you know there it's so hard to find any true surprise like in your

life and that is really the one thing that you can have really no idea and to a certain extent for us or for me i felt like it was something that we got to keep to ourselves because the whole world knows everything about you anymore. And even with a gender reveal, everybody knows. All your friends know, all of this. But when we actually found out in the delivery room, I was like, this is our secret. And this is like our family for however long we want it to be.

So I thought it was really special. I'm with you, Jordan. Like, not finding out was fun. But then the second one, because we went girl, boy, too. And I was like, love, Drew is the best. The freaking love girls would be super. super happy but I gotta have like we're gonna keep going until we have a boy and that's too like I mean you more so than me like I'm a huge sports fan obviously like you know like you have those

dreams I can only imagine for you of like throwing the football with your son like and don't get me wrong like I am so looking forward to being a girl dad with Eloise like that's like it's gonna be awesome but yeah like being in the backyard hitting the baseball throwing the football with a son like that's just what i remember with my dad so it's like you know you you kind of you know i wanted that so uh yeah i was pumped i was pumped we got we got a boy second second time i got a multiple choice question a b or c okay a do you look back on uh the success that you guys have had and wish uh or and say wow our marriage is better off because of it be is it unaffected your marriage by or see, do you look back at the simpler days and like, oh, man, I missed those days.

Things were kind of like less complicated back then. What would you say? I think it certainly was, would have been simpler. Like if we had just, well, I mean, I have a pretty normal nine to five job. But if Jordan was kind of home all the time and wasn't in the public eye, I think for sure it would just be simpler. But we also really haven't ever known that life. because really after I met Jordan, he started playing shows on the road within like six or eight months of that.

So really our entire relationship, he wasn't, you know, in the public eye per se, like people didn't necessarily know who he was, but he was on the road. And so this has always been our life. And, you know, I think the pandemic actually showed us that we are, we are a couple that thrive in a little bit of alone time. And we were so used to that that I'm a very independent person. And so for us to be kind of both working from home 24-7 for the better part of two years was really hard for us. I think we both kind of thrive on having that individual capacity. Yeah, I think it was, I'm grateful. I think looking at it, it's helped us.

You know, I feel like I've become a better husband. because of it. I'm not a good communicator. I think she'll second that. I kind of feel Andrew. I was like, you know what? I feel like if I say this, he's going to feel me on this. I'm not a great. I'm not. Yeah. I'm not. And I think it's been, you know, with the rise of success, I've had to work on that. I've had to get better at it. And I think it's actually strengthened our marriage and strengthened our relationship. So I'm grateful for it. I really am.

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so what are your thoughts dude i'm probably just as scared with you know with them going to school is y'all's kid going to gym going to gym going to gymnastics or stepping on a football field Like, the day I see one of my kids pick up a guitar, I'm just going to be like, oh, my gosh. Run. Like, oh, do you really want to do that, you know? So, yeah, it's definitely been a thing of, you know, I don't know how I'm going to, I'm just going to have to pray for, you know, just peace on it and not try to. push it too hard you know the last thing I want to do is push anything on the kiddos and you know if they want to play music they want to play music that's great if they grow up and they hate

they hate guitars that's okay too but yeah I'm I'm with y'all it's it's definitely been something that I've thought way too much about for a two-year-old yeah it kind of makes me it makes me a little nervous I think that I'm not sorry go ahead I was just going to say I'm not super competitive so I'm not really like I don't want the kids to necessarily like look at me and say I want to be like mom I want to be a lawyer I am like really I think I certainly will push them on their education and want them to get a great education because I do think it'll help them but I'm not like ultimately very competitive as a person and so I think I'll probably like I don't know that I'll that I'll that I'll that I'll that I'll that I I will kind of, I don't think that my feelings would be hurt by any stretch if the kid, if none of our kids decided to kind of take a path like me, or like Jordan. I think it's. But I want them to be like well educated.

The one thing that I've like really, is just to find a passion. Yeah. Like find something you love. I don't care. If it is something that, you know, we, if it's music or law, like that's great. And, you know, we'll obviously be able to kind of help you navigate some of those things. But if it's washing cars or cutting grass, like, find something you love to do and just more so go after it the way that y'all went after, the way that we went after it with just, like, reckless abandon. I love it.

I want to be the best at it. And, um, which saying I want to be the best at it, it's kind of terrible. But like, you know, just go after it, you know, with passion. I think that's where, that's where I hope I land at somewhere in there. There's so much wisdom in that, and it got me thinking, we spoke with Allo Black, you know, the dude that did the, uh, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my best try at that. That was great. I'm actually looking for, looking for a duet on this next record, Andrew. I think he just locked it. He mentioned the fact that like, I guess, you know, they've been asked a question and his thought was, like, back in the day with farmers,

it was the farmer's job to like include the kids in their work and show them to how to at least be capable and knowledgeable about one thing and like there's more than likely going to be carryover from that one thing into other things like whether it be farming or whatever the passion is but it is such like again such a fine balance between like with Sean the the public eye thing with kids is just a. complicating factor where it's like uh different expectations different pressures and you don't want to spoil um or cause any resentment or uh anxiety you know what i'm saying it's just within your kid and i think christin your approach with like hey being supportive no matter what the uh what the genre is is like i i get lost and thought on trying to solve this problem and i'm not sure there actually is a solution but you're going to put more nightmares in their head No, I'm not giving a nightmare. I'm not, I'm not the goal.

No, it's, yeah, it's definitely a, you know, it's, it's, it's going to be something that, yeah, I think it's going to be a daily, you know, a daily thing of figuring out where it all lands. But I think we'll figure it out. I believe in, I believe in both of us. I believe in, I believe in all four of us, so we'll get there. Yeah, love that. I hope so. Appreciate the vote of confidence.

So, question we ask every single person in the show is you guys have been married a while, you guys have babies, you're in the public eye, you've learned a lot about marriage and relationships within kind of your journey. If you were to pass along one piece of advice about relationships, what would it be? Gosh, I would say going back to what I said earlier, the communication was my biggest from day one. you know and not just talking about and like I'm not I'm not even saying like communication and like checking in on the road or you know call in and talk I'm like true communication on you know what how I feel about things which is

like not always like you know sometimes easy for guys to do to kind of be vulnerable and be like hey when you do this this is how that I feel about about that. And we had so many fights early on that were like really coming from me on not communicating exactly what I should have been saying. And which kind of put her in a tough situation because she doesn't really know what she's fighting. She's not fighting the issue that we're fighting about. You know, she's fighting some insecurity that I have that she has no control over. So for me, that would be, you know, to new relationships out there, husband and wife. Yeah, like true, true in-depth communication. Yeah, I think, I think that's part of what I was going

to say is really, and I think this became much more clear after becoming parents, is really saying what you need, how you need it, and like what can your partner do to support you in it. And I think, you know, especially as a mom and as a new mom, there's, you want to be, and I'm a nurturer by nature and I want to be able to take care of my kids and take care of Jordan. But there's at some point, you know, you can only do so much. And I think being able to communicate exactly how the other person can support you, whether it be as a parent or in your relationship and in your career and whatever you're doing

is really being able to vocalize that is so important because, you know, I think I got to points with both after both kids and before kids too where, you know, I felt kind of just like hopeless and worn down and I needed support and didn't want to feel like I was putting my burdens on someone else. And so realizing that, you know, I've picked a partner who's there to support me and help me get through those tough times and really being able to say exactly how they can help me get past this phase. Whether it's, you know, taking the trash out or getting groceries or taking the kids for five minutes so I can shower, whatever it is, I think being really clear is, I think, is really the biggest lesson I think that I've learned to in the last five or six

years. Parenting really forced my hand on having self-awareness. And it was like, oh, I've never had to do this before, dang it. Now I've got to think about stuff. Is it true? Hold on. I remember hearing somewhere that you have a one text message rule, like a text message's day rule when you're on the road or something. Is that true?

Just a I'm alive case. One text message? Hey, I'll have to just, hey, babe, I'm alive. Shows over. We're taking off for Illinois or wherever we're going. So, you know, because I mean, it's tough to, I mean, you, it's busier out there than, you know, once sound check starts and you're kind of running. So it's tough to like stop in FaceTime.

And too, like most of the time when I FaceTime with the kids, they don't care anyway. They're just like throwing the phone over or, you know, whatever. So it's like, yeah, it's just a, hey, babe, I'm alive. Love you. Call you in the morning. As long as I get one, one and $24, I'm safe. Such a romantic. Yeah, yeah, I'm alive.

I will say another similarity. That was something Andrew said when we first started dating. He's like, I'm not going to text you. I don't text. Not going to do it. He's like, I'll call you once a day. And we can go over the whole day. And because we did long distance.

He's like, that's it. I was like, okay. It's too much life to live. Before kids, I was more, you know, I was at home by myself. So I would definitely like want to call. in text or FaceTime more because I was just at home I was by myself like bored I was talking to the dogs all day so since kids I would say I'm I'm definitely like if I'm if it's 830 and the kids are in bed I'm probably going to bed too and I don't care if he calls or not I'm like it's fine

that's where my one text coming here we're good but yeah it definitely changed after kids I mean now we try to FaceTime at least once a day when he's gone so he can see the kids but if it If it doesn't happen, I'm like, you know, we're all going to make it to tomorrow. It's going to be fine. For the last question, you have to decide who's going to answer first. I'll go first. Okay. What do you love most about Kristen?

I think it's changed at first. The first thing that I fell in love with was her determination. I just never met a girl that was just so like, here's what, like, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do, like, I was just, I've always been like a laid-back. kind of go with the flow guy and I think I was like almost kind of intimidated by it at first but I think that was one of the first just the ambition she had it's now morphed into seeing her be a mom seeing her with the kids it's just you know it's tough to that's what I love most about her now

is is when she when she goes into mom mode is I don't know it's just amazing you know so yeah it's been a it's been a change since the which and I always knew like when the kids came like she would be a great mom but I think now actually seeing it in real life is like whoa that's that's my wife that's pretty awesome so yeah thanks Ben beat that by no I'm kidding um yeah geez he made me cry um i think for jordan it's really just his passion not just for his career but he's a very passionate person um passion in his career passion for his faith passion for our family um and just how hard he's willing to work to do it it's really hard to be it seemed you know what he does

seems really glamorous i think to most people on the outside but it's really a grind and it's work just like everybody else's job but he really truly does have passion for it and he's you know he gets to be expressive and creative and it comes out so beautifully most of the time you know when you hear it in these in these three-minute songs um but there is so much dedication and passion that goes into making that three minutes sound the way it does and and it's art and it's beautiful and i'm i'm just not a creative so to be able to watch that process unfold and see how excited and how you know like how hard he's willing to work to get something so perfect um is it's really it's really beautiful and it's really encouraging and um i love watching the process but he is he's so passionate about really

so many different aspects of our life and he's willing to really kind of do whatever it takes to to make that one thing beautiful and it's really it's really special to see Kristen you didn't make Jordan cry so I guess he won not chucking there I cried and he didn't I was going to follow that up we usually ask the biggest pet peeves but given given the recent arguments about travel oh no I'll go pet peeve we just would leave with a win anybody with young kids should never be asked that question he wants to answer parents She takes forever to get out of the car. So, like, when we put the car in part, she just sits there.

And I'm like, what are you doing? Probably grabbing the 18 bags that it takes for me to go anywhere with kids. I'll get, like, half. I'll be halfway into Target before she even closes her door. Oh, no. For the record, we did not ask that question. I was just volunteering. He's just giving it.

He just had to provide that in detail. Well, Jordan, Kristen, this was a, lot of fun. I feel like there's a ton of similarities between us. So hopefully at some point we can meet up and hang in real life. Just let the kids take care of each other. Maybe we could run off to Mexico and just have like, you know, a couple days. Sounds great. I'm all in on that. For those listening, they want to find out about Jordan and Kristen and what they're up to, we'll link all the information down below. But it was a real pleasure, guys. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you all for having someone. That was awesome. Hey, it's Andrew. And Sean.

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