Couple Things with Shawn and Andrew - 150 | how fame changes family | the d’amelios

Episode Date: February 15, 2023

Today we interviewed Heidi and Marc D'amelio! You've probably seen this family everywhere from their hit reality show, The D'Amelio Show, Dancing with the Stars, or on Tik Tok. Marc and Heidi are the parents of Charli and Dixie D'Amelio and have secured their spot as one of the internet's biggest families. Marc D'Amelio has also worked for a number of organizations within the apparel industry and they are excited to announce a new shoe line, dropping this June! Behind all of the success of this couple, we talk to them about the importance of setting boundaries and protecting your family, how the limelight can affect marriage, and how their life has changed over the years. We hope you enjoy this episode with Heidi and Marc D'amelio! The D’amelios family YouTube Channel ▶ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIoBuVIZ9F30lmZ4ddTGnzw Heidi's Instagram ▶ https://www.instagram.com/heididamelio/ Marc's Instagram ▶ https://www.instagram.com/marcdamelio/ Watch their show on Hulu! ▶ https://www.hulu.com/series/the-damelio-show-ad993806-7961-4eb3-9f92-e7b9a349ae22 Love, Shawn and Andrew Follow My Instagram ▶ http://www.instagram.com/ShawnJohnson Follow My Tik Tok ▶ https://www.tiktok.com/@shawnjohnson Like the Facebook page! ▶ http://www.facebook.com/ShawnJohnson Follow Andrew’s Instagram ▶ http://www.instagram.com/AndrewDEast Andrew’s Tik Tok ▶ https://www.tiktok.com/@andrewdeast?lang=en Like the Facebook page! ▶ http://www.facebook.com/AndrewDEast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

When you're with Amex Platinum, you get access to exclusive dining experiences and an annual travel credit. So the best tapas in town might be in a new town altogether. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Terms and conditions apply. Learn more at Amex.ca. what's up everybody welcome back to couple things with Sean and Andrew a podcast all about couples and the things they go through today we have uh can we call them friends I think they're friends

yeah we've hung out with them we've had a nice little dinner with them yes Heidi and Mark Demilio that's right you may know the Demilios they have their own show on Hulu they have a lot of business ventures going on and Heidi and Mark are the parents of Charlie and Dixie Heidi was just on Dancing with the Stars. You know something about that. We actually got to go see her and Charlie dance in person. The very like full circle moment was Charlie was paired with Mark Ballas. It was his first time coming back to Dancing with the Stars.

And we got to know them kind of as family, which is really, really cool. Yeah. And it's been really interesting to see their family grow and expand into new things and we're excited for them. So today we sit down and talk to them about what they have going on, how Heidi and Mark met how their life has changed over the last couple years. And I think you'll find it to be a pretty interesting conversation. We certainly have a lot to learn. I feel like, you know, to a lesser extent, we're in similar industries. Yeah. So we asked them a little bit about that as well. But hope you enjoy this one with Heidi and Mark. And if you want to find out more about them and

what they're up to, we'll link information down below. Without further ado, we'll bring you Heidi and Mark DeMio. Mark and Heidi DeMelia. What a treat this is. I feel like last time, well, no, the last time we saw you was at that dinner that we somehow stumbled into. I sat across from Mark. We had a great conversation. And when I left, I was like, that would be a real treat to have Mark and Heidi on the show. So thanks for joining. Thanks for having us. Thank you. We're excited to be on. We are so excited to have you guys. First off, the last time we had dinner with you was also like the first time we met you, which was really cool. Because you were on Dancing with the Stars, and the common denominator there was Mark Ballas, who seems to get us

in very random and weird situations all the time. I'm sure you guys have learned that as well. But Heidi, you killed it on dancing. You killed it. Thank you. Well, I have to go back to that dinner because we're sitting there. Obviously, we've always watched the show, and, well, I knew you before the show, but I quickly understood why you were there because of Mark and whatever. And then at the same time i was like okay these guys are actually here at our dinner i was totally fan-gurling i have to say i was like what oh we were fan-gurling um yeah so we were like dancing with the stars was as you know intense and wild and i had so much fun it was hard but it was great i want to go on a tangent about dancing because i don't like you said it's hard people i don't think

anybody gives dancing enough credit that show is like trying to learn a whole different sport in less than a week and perform it on live national television and not fall on your face is like almost impossible but you crushed it and having the mom and daughter dynamic was so fun and endearing to watch as a viewer I feel like you were like within our home just part of our family thank you I know it was so cool being able well first of all just being asked to do the show I was over the moon but to be able to go through it with Charlie because number one she's the best I will say this always she is the best hype girl she I wouldn't be struggling or crying or nervous or whatever and she's

she's so calming and she would just be like mom you put the work in you got this you're doing it like don't don't think about this or whatever it was so that was so fun and um yeah just having her there and then like the flip side which kind of like brought me down to reality and all the best ways is she and mark would come and they would knock on our door and then they would like creep in around the door and she would be like mommy my toe is bleeding can you put a band-aid no like sure or i hit my head or my rib popped out and i was like okay so it just like immediately would take me out of oh i'm a competitor on dancing with the stars to mom mode so is that a thing where ribs pop out yeah what happens yes dang it was pretty intense looking

it was like oh my gosh wait is that what happened when you got pregnant yeah that's crazy while you're pregnant well yeah our son was 10 pounds and i'm 4 11 and my my Ribs had nowhere to go, but out. No. Mark, did you shed any tears during Dance with the Stars? It sounds like Charlie and Heidi both. It was really tough for Dixie and I because we just

had a lot of alone time. We were shopping. We were like, are we ever going to see you two again? Are we ever going to see Charlie and Heidi again? They didn't clue us in on the time commitment because it was like nonstop. But it was cool because Heidi and Charlie ended up getting, we always do things as all four of us.

So this was like one of the first times that they were doing something. And Dixie and I were just would call each other. What are you doing? I'm like, nothing. What are you doing? Nothing. So we hung out. Dixie and I hung out a lot.

Well, I'm excited to announce you heard of her first. Heidi and Charlie were the first mother daughter duo on the show. Mark and Andrew, we will be appearing on Dancing with the Stars, Spandex and all. Okay. Some future season. That would be, would you ever. do it, Mark? We're talking about, first of all, they haven't asked us, and I don't know whether they would, but I'm, Dixie and I have just kind of talking before we say, put our name in the,

in the hat, we're like, do we really want to do it? Because it is, it's a huge commitment. But there is that aspect. We just got back from Connecticut for the tour. And it is like this, almost for this fraternity. Like, once you're in it, you. you're part of the club and I kind of want to I want to be part of the club so I've not I've not been Sean's you know Sean's been a vet of the show for a while now they've still not invited me to be a part of the club but I'm wishing the best for you mark well they're not going to invite me by myself but I think the father daughter me and Dixie could be really interesting that would be so cool I would watch I was going to say

that's the best part of the show though is it becomes a family it's like blood sweat and tears so you bond very quickly and i mean mark is still like my brother so how many hours a week are we talking you said it's like a like full intense thing i mean towards the end it was like 10 hours a day every you know and then well like saturday sunday you have camera blocking and then this uh no sunday and then monday is you know all day because it's glam and then rehearsal and then dress and then the show so I mean there wasn't a day that I wasn't out of the house for at least 10 hours so like 70 hours a week and they trick you because the first week remember when we went to dinner that night that was during the show but it was like week

one so we're like oh this is going to be easy and then by week four it was we couldn't even think about doing dinner again for like eight weeks because she was just exhausted and charlie's was so banged up so yeah Wow. It was intense. Yeah. What was it just like the grind that brought you to tears or what is it? Because I've heard a lot of people have that emotional experience.

What was it for you? For me, the judges kept asking for me to show emotion. And that was really hard to just let myself go. I feel like just the nature of social media, we're all kind of a little guarded on what we say. and what not that we want to say anything that's that out there it's just um you know you like i'm an emotional mom i cry and or if mark says something super sweet like i'll tear up and i got destroyed on the internet for like crying so i don't anymore and they wanted to see this raw emotion from me and i just was so i couldn't do it like i wouldn't let myself do it and i was

getting in my way. And so battling with that was emotional and just like, you know, one step and then you can't get it and you're working on it for hours and I'm like, I'm frustrated. I feel like I'm my, you know, the partner, the pro

has this choreography and now I can't get it and like I'm letting him down and like there's all these aspects to it. And and I think when you're exhausted and like physically, emotionally just your brain just starts to melt a little bit so what we learned was we'll just come back to it the next day and either I get it or I don't and we move on and you know move on with it or without it but oh it was more of that and then just missing you know we have an office we have people that work

for us we have a relationship a marriage and there's like all of it is like gone like I feel like you're just in the studio and so thank god i had charlie because i you know she was physically with me family and then i would get you know like mark said i would get home and i was exhausted and i was like oh it was just it was like messy and beautiful all the same time it makes me not want to do the show like well like it sounds like a blast it sounds like the wrong phase of life if you have young kids like i enjoy being around yeah doesn't sound like that's uh two worlds that could mesh well. Yeah. Well, and I mean, I was lucky to do it when I was single and young and like didn't have any commitments there. But I think one of the most endearing parts of the storyline about you and Charlie on

dancing that we are following as viewers was this whole story about your guys's career and how you guys are in the limelight and you guys, you know, Charlie is on social media and you guys share your family with the world. And people. know your guys's family but you subject yourselves to like we do social media people who have opinions and call you out for crying and all of these things whatever it is but then you go on a reality TV show like dancing and you're subjecting yourself to the judges and more opinions and I thought one of the things that just like cut straight to through it all to the heart was when Charlie was talking about how this the show kind of realized that

her potential and her confidence and everything and doing it again. But it made me have the question for you guys because you share so much with the world in such a beautiful way, how do you guard and protect your marriage and your family and have those moments where you don't have to feel like you have a brick wall up where you can't cry

and you can't, like how do you protect those aspects of your life? I think we've I think what we decided to do it as a family and that was just because Charlie was 15 and I wasn't we weren't the family

that was just going to ship our kid off to California by herself and I think the fact that we are all to different degrees in the limelight and are all dealing with the same the same pressure we bounce it off each other

and we definitely spend the majority of our time out of the limelight like i mean we're we're 90 like most people we're probably 95% 8% home so and then we have each other to to talk about it and then we've always we talk about all the time we always have these check-ins with each other especially Heidi and I are kind of along for the ride and enjoying it but i did we definitely check in with the girls and make sure this is something that they still feel comfortable with that they want to do and I think that the fact that they're making the decision that this is what they want to do,

they take the bad with the good and we all kind of help each other get through it. Yeah, and I think as far as, like, when we're all together, it just seems like it always has. Like, there's not all this other stuff. And so it feels very normal in a lot of ways. And as far as being guarded, it's like, I think what. we guard is, you know, if we say something like joking around or whatever, and it could be nothing, it could mean a whole backlash of dumb comments for the girls. So that's kind of what we guard is like, you know, almost just our humor is because like the internet doesn't get

humor sometimes, so you have to be careful. And so that's probably the biggest thing I feel like we hold back on is us just being ourselves as like, because we all like joke around with each other and all of that and if I joke around with the girls I like I hate my kids or whatever and I'm like no that's just you should hear what they say to me like the jokes are flying and so that's why something everything else is very much just us like I feel like we're pretty like not guarded with our family like we're just kind of are who we are let's that's what kind of how we got here so we're not like trying to hide that. This episode is brought to you by Defender.

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But sometimes I struggle, since we're both kind of in this world of like our family is also the business, which is, I think, one of the biggest blessings, but also requires the most thought and responsibility. how do you mesh applying your ambition and entrepreneurship to the family realm? because sometimes it feels, thank goodness I have Sean because she keeps me in check. She's like, no, we're not doing that. We're protecting our family. And even though this is the right call for your ambition, it's not for the family. Tell me about that for you.

It's a tough balance. I think because I started in the apparel business and I've worked with a lot of really good brands and I had my own brand. And I think we, a lot of the same principles apply when you protect your brand, kind of equated to protecting your family. Like, you do, those decisions seem to kind of go hand in hand. And we all have the conversation on it. But I think we've done a good job. But ultimately, aside from all of the goals we put in place, it's almost like the oath that doctors take do no harm. like that's we want this thing to do no harm to our family and if there's anything that we think

could kind of go in the wrong direction we we're lucky enough and we're in a position where we don't have to take a brand deal that might not be great for us we don't have to partner with people that we don't enjoy being with so and and we definitely we didn't even realize this but the girls say it all the time we've given them a voice from when they're they were very, very young, and Charlie is the best debater. She will tell a, like, she will debate you, and she can turn my opinion around like that, but we've definitely given them the opportunity where it's not always been, where the parents, it's not our way or the highway.

They definitely have a voice, and through this whole process, I think, they feel that although they trust us, and Charlie and Dixie has both said, which as a dad makes me so happy that they, we know that they, believe in us and trust our direction, I feel the same way about them. And if they're like, Dad, I'm not into it. I'm like, okay, cool. That makes sense. So it's a tough balance, actually.

I feel like this is a business question and a family question. Your family is a business. And each individual one of you is a business. Like you have your own brand identities as individuals as well. Does that ever, like, conflict against each other where, someone's like Dixie or Charlie has this opportunity where it's like oh we actually have to weigh that against our family does that make sense what I'm saying does like individual identities ever differ from the family it's almost like a parent question too how do you I mean there are times that no I don't I don't think so I think the fact that we never set out with this vision of you know

dominating the social media like so we constantly do things that would go go against what people would be like well that doesn't seem like it's the right thing for the family um but sometimes those things make it that maybe i give an example like if we don't spend all day promoting ourselves and promoting things that could benefit fit us long term. And the fact that we don't do that, I think, builds credibility for us. And there's been, it's almost like in that, if you ever watch Miracle on 34th Street when when Santa starts sending people to other department stores, like I think people trust us because we're not all about the business all the time. And if someone has a great product and we're not always looking

for a check and we're not always like, hey, we're only going to promote this if you do this. Because I think, and I think that helps us that we just are like, whatever. If we like something, we'll talk about it. And I think that gives us credibility, which makes the business run better. And I will say, you know, we'll say little things like, you know, you guys are partners in social tourists. You might want to, you know, wear social tourists more often or things like that. But we'll never say don't wear that because of this. Like we don't get.

we don't get we don't do go that way right yeah yeah of course but also to add to that the girls have such this sort of i don't know if it's their generation or just this innate way of like just being themselves and just they like what they like and and it's so in line with who they are and kind of like how our family just is and works like things that Dixie likes are sometimes different than Charlie but it's not so out of character of any of us like oh like oh that's cool I want to try that or I want to see it or whatever it is so I don't know I guess that comes from being together so much but I'm always interested when they're into something new and different oh I haven't seen that before Charlie sent me this artist on TikTok and she was like,

you got to check out her stuff. And I, oh, I went on a deep dive. I watched her paint for hours and I'm like, oh my God, I think I found a new artist. Like I would have never, and her stuff is different. Maybe not something I would have gravitated towards, but I was like glad that she introduced me to her. So the culture is very much about

empowering individuality and like creating an environment of open discussion like a forum for debate or pushback it's not like yeah yeah that's cool okay by the way we're asking because we need wisdom yeah we need to learn and i feel like you guys are you know 15 years ahead of us and so thank you for sharing and speaking out oh no no i feel like the million dollar question everyone is asking these days and i feel like you guys might have the actual answer um how do you parent in a world where your children are inevitably going to be on social media. Like, there's no more day and age where it's like, oh, you don't get a cell phone until you're 17 or 16.

There is a day and age for that. There is, but I don't think it's very realistic. I think kids have access in every place to a computer, to a phone, to a tablet, to social media. And how do you teach such mature content? concepts of, like, so many things at such a young age? I think I was brought up my mom in a single, in a single parent household. And I had the ultimate freedom. And with that, I never abused it.

I just think it's inevitable. You see those kids when they get to college whose parents were helicopter parents, and then they go and go off the deep end. I think we've instilled, Heidi did an incredible job instilling values. and helping build the girl's character and we balanced out being involved in social media but not but giving them a level of trust and just saying hey you know

whatever you put out there is going to be out there forever and those basic things but let them gave them the freedom and we had to trust in them and I think there's a lot to be said for being in the no not being too involved in the day-to-day stuff and having trust but helping them along the way build their character so they don't screw up and let them know that when they do screw up you're going to be there for them and and that's

what I think we've done and I really I'm not just saying that because we're on your show that's really all all Heidi I mean yeah but I have to say um I was raised with my two parents in the home I have three older sisters and so although our growing up years looked different, I think we always balanced each other out very well. And where I was more of like, you know,

structure, he was a little more like, oh, they don't have to do their homework right when they were in the door. Let them do it later. And so I would be like, so he would push me in those ways and I would give because I knew I didn't want it all

one way or another. And he gave too. But what I was going to say was it started, and this goes to you, it started long before they got phones of establishing trust on both sides, like them to us and us to them. And it started with just life and letting them make mistakes and letting them learn and seeing that we could talk through it. and they're not like punished for a month or whatever so i think mark was was really good in kind of establishing that whereas maybe that wouldn't have been my way and and so by the time phones came around it was not now this it was new and different but it was this same sort of tone of you know we trust you don't do anything stupid and then also

just the nature of his background in the in the clothing business and branding he you know when I was a kid or when we were kids your parents would talk about your reputation you know protect your reputation and him being a brand's guy from when they were young would be like is that what you want for your brand you're a brand and so they you know when they would want to do something or is that something that aligns with your brand does that make sense for you you know And then the conversations, of course, with social media, everything you put out there is going to identify you as a brand. So be careful what you put out there. It's out there forever, whatever you DM somebody, it's going to show up somewhere.

So we were having those conversations long before any of this stuff happened with our family. Tim's new scrambled egg loaded croissant, or is it croissant? No matter how you say it, start your day with freshly cracked scrambled eggs loaded on a buttery, flaky croissant. Try it with maple brown butter today at Tim's, at participating restaurants in Canada for limited time. That's really good insight. I'm curious, on the subject of treating yourself or the family as a brand, what would you say the family mission is from your guys' perspective?

If you're going to capture it in one or two sentences, it's like at the end of the day, if people know this about us and that's a win, or if people have this transformation after watching our content, then that's what we're after. Like, is there a, that might be too heady so we could revisit it if you need time to think. I think kind of what we said, right? We know that this is an incredible journey that we're on and we, as we go through this day by day, we just want to protect the family and we want, and it's not all about a money grab or how much, you know, how much money we can pile up.

It's all about staying authentic and keeping our family intact throughout this process. And that's the most important thing. And we definitely want to be thoughtful on what we're putting out there. We don't just want to create products for the sake of creating products or sell things for the sake of selling things. We want to be thoughtful and do things that we think are interesting, fun, and that we enjoy. I think if I have to sum it up in one word, And I think if you see, of the four of us, Dixie's content, I think one good word would be real. Dixie is so real sometimes, I'm like, hmm, you really just put that out there.

Okay, it's just normal stuff that everybody deals with, but she just has no problem putting it out there. And she also has a great sense of humor, so it's funny. But I think when the one thing I've heard, like people that we know, and then people ask them because they know us like what do they like they're real they're just like you see them there's none of it is a whole actor anything so i love that because i mean i don't know i like us as we are i will say that was one of the coolest and most refreshing things about you guys and why we fell in love with you all was meeting the girls they are the sweetest, kindest, like, good, sold individuals that I just, I was shook by it.

Because you hear these names, and it's like, oh, I, of course, I have heard of Charlie DeMilio. And to meet her and see her, like, with Mark and see her with you guys and interacting at dinner, she was just a kid. And I was like, oh, my gosh, she's, you guys, like, all of you, you blew us away. I know people are kind of surprised to know that the girls are you know in meetings with CEOs they can hold their own like anybody else in the room twice their age but when it's the four of us you know Dixie will still ask me as higher shoes so mommy can you buy my shoe like sure they're still very young and you know funny and like very normal so when it comes to you guys how like how do you protect your marriage

in front of the entire world how long have you guys been married 22 years i thought that was my biggest takeaway after dinner was uh you two were very much like in love it was pretty adorable to see actually uh at least yeah if if not you had me fooled at the very least um but yeah it's interesting over i mean how things have changed over 22 years do you feel like your relationship to each other despite all the exterior movements has changed much i think we started off with a great foundation i think we we we were there's a lot of couples out there that get married and they're kind of start off we I mean we're I don't want to speak for Heidi but like I was madly in love and knew she was the right person and I think throughout the time that you got to work on that

so it doesn't it doesn't change there are people that start off the same way but and I think communication and and respect and appreciation and and really understanding that a partnership a marriage, a business partnership, a friendship, all takes work. And we've learned that. And over the years, that as much as people say, man, you guys have such a great relationship, relationships take work. And I think we, I think the fact that we're both committed to being in a healthy, fun, really cool marriage. And that's the most important thing. Because once you get that, You can say, all right, maybe this isn't working out the way we thought, how do we get it to be better? And we're all on the same.

She and I are on, seem to be on the same page, and we talk about it. But, and I think, I think if anything, Hollywood and this whole experience has made all four of us probably closer because we trust each other and lean on each other more where we are a little bit, even more dependent on. each other than we used to be yeah and you know yes to everything you said and to add to that um we really really like each other and um like i like hanging out with him i enjoy that and that and then the other thing i think would be just the marriage is work and you have to devote time to it and And there's been times where it's been, you know, one is busier than the other, and it takes, you know, the time still needs to be put in whenever, maybe you're not busy at the time, so you put the time in. And maybe when the other one's busy, you got to put the time in and try to help balance it. But always being thoughtful of the marriage, I think, because it's easy to get, you know, the kids and work and you're running around.

and sometimes that's the last thing on your mind. And, you know, we've had our, obviously, ups and downs over the years, but I think at the end of the day, we do have the common goal of we want to make it the best that it can be. And, you know, tending to it, like really tending to it is so important. And sometimes it's the last thing on the list, so I've got to remember that. And Heidi was great with when, When the kids were, as they were born and came up, I think a mistake a lot of parents make is the kids become the focal point of everything. And Heidi was great at balancing out. We love our kids more than we could ever imagine. But to give them the best life they can have, a great marriage between us is important, which means we have that sometimes put our marriage, maybe not first, but at least on an equal level.

And, you know, we would never let Dixie or Charlie, like, if we were all planning on going out to dinner, we would bring them out with us. And they, we wouldn't, I don't want to even use the word tolerate, but it wouldn't be where Dixie or Charlie would say, I want to go home. And we'd say, you know, Heidi was great on if you're tired, what did you use to say? If you sleepy, put your head down and sleep. Like, when we're done with dinner, we'll leave. So, and they, they can literally sleep anywhere. could sleep on a picket fence back then she would just but they'd rather be with us than not be with us so that's part of it like you know charlie loved to sleep in her stroller she was six still

wanting to sleep in her stroller so it's just like we brought them into our world like and i and i think um even now with all this that happened with our family it could have been very easy for them to take the role of like oh well we have the followers and we're making money and we're this like we're still their parents like at the after all is said and done like we're the parents and um we're not gonna you know just like they don't pay for our things like mark still has a full business of his own outside of all of this and um we never needed their money or anything like that so it never got like tilted in the in the rules and And I think they appreciate that because I think they still wanted parents that knew that

were rocks, but also that we can all lean on each other. So that's been a good thing that you try, you don't know until you're going through that. And you're like, whoa, this can easily get off kilter. Yeah. It's actually a new insight. We've done 150 episodes of this. And no one brought up the point that you said, Heidi, where like naturally someone in the relationship will probably be busier at a point.

And so it's like, if that's not you. and it's kind of your responsibility to be the one investing in the relationship. I had a cousin who said it made me think he said he started like five businesses, but he said investing in my marriage has had by far the greatest ROI of anything that I've ever done, which Sean doesn't like how businessy that sounds, but it is really, like, no, he's like, I need to make sure I have a really good return on investment here. No, no, no, but it's like, that is the most important thing about life. So I should be investing the most time, strategy, thought, money, everything into that

because that's, it's just the most important. And I think that one of the mistakes I made was the fact that I was the making the money initially that I always looked at it like, oh, but I'm out here making the money for all of us so cut me cut me some slack and I think that's a mistake got men or women who are the who are the main breadwinner sometimes make that mistake because even though you feel like you're doing it for everyone you still have to go above and beyond that because that because I realize that that's that doesn't get you as you say the ROI um even though you're out there to just say well what do you I'm doing all this for us that you still got to do, you still have to need that emotional

connection and you still have to be there for your significant other, whoever is, if the woman's making the money or the man's making the money, whatever, it doesn't matter. And I think I've learned that over time that although I'm doing things for our family, I still have to do the other things too. Hey, listen, it took us a long time to learn all this stuff. So it's not like we knew it all at the beginning. But at the beginning, like Mark said, we had a good foundation. So as we got older and the dynamics change

And you have teenagers and now we're empty nesters Like we're still learning And we're and it's and it's fun to learn and like get good at it Like oh yeah we still got this you know How did the empty nesting transition go for you guys? It's still not that empty there The birds are flying back to the nest every day Yeah

We're all we see each other a lot We spend a lot of time together And it's about to amp up because we're going to be shooting our Hulu show Starting next week So we're together a lot They live about three quarters of a mile from us And it's cute Like they are

We're still very much connected It's not like they went off to college You know, we work together We live near each other The dogs are back and forth between the two houses So it doesn't feel feel as empty nester as maybe it could. We've never been on a vacation without them.

This New Year's Eve was the first time we've been on vacation without. Now, we've been on weekend trips, and she came out on a couple of business trips with me, but this was the first time. Like a full week without the kids. And they were offended. They were like, you're not inviting us? And we're like, okay, do you want to come? they're like, no, I'm like, okay.

Like, whatever. Where'd you guys go? Cabo. Yeah. Nice. We're new to Cabo. That's a West Coast thing. We're more, would go to the Caribbean, go to the Bahamas.

So everyone's like, just go to Cabo. It really just does feel like a transplanted L.A. Yeah. Yeah. Summer's here, and you can now get almost anything you need for your sunny days delivered with Uber Eats. What do we mean by almost? Well, you can't get a well-groom lawn delivered, but you can get a chicken parmesan delivered.

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Yeah. It's different than what we thought. Yes. Yeah. Right? Yeah, yeah. I thought they were going to, I say this. I thought like you were going to wake up and all of a sudden a dude was going to be with a camera in your face.

And be like, but it was, they look at our calendar and it is all real. I mean, it's all stuff that's happening. Like if we were filming now, they might have filmed us doing this. So they look at our calendar and say, hey, we want to follow this. We think this is interesting. And we also, I like the fact now, first season would really focus on the girls a lot and showed. And then this past season, I think our personality as parents came over a little bit better. And Heidi and I made a commitment for season three.

We're just going to be all up in the cameras as much as possible, letting people know who we are. you are like honestly the um the bloopers role real was the best like that's just us goofing around and then we always say what happens is especially when it's the four of us filming together the second the thing about and i'm sure you guys know whether it's youtube or these shows you can't play music so it's like the best thing is when the cameras break down and we always have microphones and we crank the music and the three of them are on the mics i'm always the designated backup dancer which I'm happy to be and and that's when it gets like like that's the part it's hard to show because the whole music thing but that's that's super fun

for us is a podcast coming back yes yes it is let's go we kind of wanted to figure out a better format because it was it it basically was us telling dixie charlie's fans what they did all weekend and it was like it just wasn't a good it wasn't a good format but we do think we have some perspective as parents with older kids and things like that that's some of the things and just the things like where we've obviously been how long have you guys been married almost seven years yeah so you're you're getting up there but we have we've known each other for 25 we've been married 22 so we think there is some value and what we have to say but like everything if we don't have something that's going to add value then we'll just continue to talk

by ourselves with no mics we'll be the first comeback listeners to that for sure and then you'll take notes yes Heidi I have a question I'm hoping to get an honest answer on so I was watching an interview with you too I think it was with dish you're cutting onions and Mark made a offhanded comment he said he's a minimalist is that true is Mark a minimalist no he had a paper-free office in like 1998 so he is think about that that was a long time ago he like he like very little everywhere like his everything about him and I I know this is he with three girls and I like like I if I get let's say if I get a bouquet of flowers that vase I'm going to

use it again it might not be for 10 years but I'm going to keep it because I will use it again and that stuff I feel that that's Andrew that's me I'm a realist like Heidi's got a Valentine's Day card from 20 years ago and like when are you ever going to? Because when you die, it means that much. Yeah. No, I throw it away. It's adorable. That's like, you know, an expression of love that she cares that much to keep it. Wait, do I use the vase? Do I use the vase? Tell him the truth. Yes. I use the vase. Sean goes on these. I purge. Yeah, she'll just go on these tirades where she throws everything away. I'm like, Sean, I just got that yesterday.

You can't just toss in a trash can. You reckless. Andrew keeps boxes of things that we buy over the course of like the 10 years we've been together. So he'll keep like technology boxes. He's like one day I might sell it. You'll have to bring it back to the store. You're going to need that box. I'm with you and Andrew.

Sometimes I'll open one of Heidi's drawers and I'll just close it quickly because I'm right there. I use everything in those drawers. Okay. I'm re, I tell him I'm a good organizer. I just keep a lot. So I do, but I do keep it organized. Okay. Last question. Not the last question. I have more questions, but you can ask your question. Fine. Almost last question. One of my favorite things to ask couples is you can choose who goes first, but what is your favorite quality about each other? There's, I, I think that there's so many great qualities, but Heidi is just, genuinely a very nice person. Like, she's a good, and I know that seems so broad,

but she really is a good person. And you know what? And so many people come up to me going, oh my God, I met your wife and she was so sweet. And I'm like, that's not just, hey, first time I met you sweet. Like, that's really her quality. Like, she's, now she also has. Don't cross me.

Aside, don't cross her. but she is genuinely, like, the nicest person I've ever met. Oh, Phoenix. This is hard because they have a lot. But from the first moment I met Mark, I was like, I've never met anyone like him. He, I don't know what you call it, the quality, but he is so giving, but, like, would literally help anybody.

give the shirt off his back, run across the street if he sees someone that fell, but also just giving of himself, like he's everybody's cheerleader. He is, will give, you know, if, like, even if someone's like had an idea and they're like, oh, I'd always wanted to start this business. This is long before social media. And he would take the time to make a logo and be like, this is what it could be for you. like he would see this in people before they could see it in himself and he was just always so inspiring that way and just always giving just giving of his energy and his time and and just physically like helping he I don't know what it is

every time he's around somebody falls and it's it's not that he's pushing them it's just they happen to fall and he like picks him up and make sure they're okay or calls an ambulance or whatever they need like all of this has happened and he's just always like really good like that always very giving wow thank you I think those are high compliments I am if we could take a couple minutes and talk about demilio brands I'm I'm super curious the mechanics of that why you did it is it buying into the future hernings of the demilios is it like the venture arm of the how explain it to me yeah well it started off with me realizing that the girls have a great perspective and a great point of view. And we didn't reinvent the wheel.

There's other people of influence celebrities that have started their own businesses. So, you know, we look at Jessica Alba, Reese Witherspoon, the Kardashians. We're not the first to do this. But we were early on coming up with a, I don't know what the first, but we came up with the concept. and we did reach out to investors and say, what if you could buy into what we're planning on doing down the road and what if you could buy it now to a future footwear company, to a future skincare company,

and what would the value be? And we basically just put a valuation, and we ended up raising, selling 6% of it. And it's that money's going into incubating and starting, at least three maybe four or five brands and and we started off with our merch and then we launched we're in the process of launching demilio footwear which is a well-priced moderately priced footwear brand to compete with a lot of the brands that you know out there and we hired a one of the top designers from jessica simpson footwear and we hired a production head of the commuto group so we're we're in

the footwear business and we will be launching uh directing consumer with a potential retail partner in june of this year and uh we're really excited this stuff i mean we started within a couple of months we're we already have we're in production we have the boxes everything ready to roll so it's pretty cool and we're looking at a couple other things so basically it's started with the with the concept of we want to create things at the girls and we own 100% um more from the creative aspect and to make sure we have control if it's going to have our name on it,

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I'm excited to check out the footwear. Me too. For sure. It's really good, man. It's like I was, our investors are kind of like, well, we just kind of invested in this because we really didn't think you guys are going to launch it this quickly. And it's really cool. I already have like outfits planned in my head to go with these shoes.

They're so good. Oh, that's exciting. Yeah. Do you mind how many people work for you across the many projects you have going? Directly for us. This is without like agents, managers and things like that. I think we're up to about 26. that's that's amazing wow we I recently did before Christmas some YouTube videos and I had

some of the pros the girls do videos with me and I was like you know I would just like hey would you want to would you no pressure but I'd love to do a YouTube video if you want to do it and then they would I'm like oh we're going to be decorating Christmas tree or making a gingerbread house whatever and they were like yeah cool sure they were sweet and they walked in, they're like, this is a full-on production. Like, there's a greed room with snacks and, like, a lot of people here. They couldn't believe that it was that. And Mark did a great job with the office, like literally building desk and getting everything up

and running because it all happened fast. And the desk were full of people all of a sudden. So it's been super exciting and cool to have a place to work outside of our house. it still kind of feels like home that's great well mark hidey in the interest of time we'll cut it there i do look forward to future dinners next one's on us yes and hopefully future conversations when the podcast comes back but thank you for the time it's always a pleasure and uh we look forward to the next one thank you so much thank you for having us great to see you again and hopefully great to see you guys yep yes bye all thanks guys bye thank you