Couple Things with Shawn and Andrew - 167 | Jessie James and Eric Decker's First Podcast

Episode Date: June 21, 2023

This week on Couple Things, we dive into a fun conversation with two big-time guests, The Deckers! Eric is a former NFL wide receiver and his wife, Jessie James Decker is a singer-songwriter, author, and founder of her own clothing lin!! We talked about ambition and how they balance chasing their dreams with having a family and maintaining a strong marriage.  This episode is sponsored by Better Help Visit ▶ BetterHelp.com/EASTFAM today to get 10% off your first month! Love you guys! Shawn and Andrew  Follow My Instagram ▶ https://www.instagram.com/ShawnJohnson Follow My Tik Tok ▶ https://www.tiktok.com/@shawnjohnson Like the Facebook page! ▶ https://www.facebook.com/ShawnJohnson Follow Andrew’s Instagram ▶ https://www.instagram.com/AndrewDEast Andrew’s Tik Tok ▶ https://www.tiktok.com/@andrewdeast?lang=en Like the Facebook page! ▶ https://www.facebook.com/AndrewDEast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What is happening? This is never, oh my God. You like, pull me aside. The most intense eye contact, you're like, Andrew, you need to find out the gender. And I was like, give us a little background. How did you guys meet? Oh, man. Seriously? You're lying.

You're literally lying. You're freaking lying to it, dude. I was like, all right, we got Jesse and Eric here with us. Thank you. I feel like, one, I interviewed you a couple years ago. One of my most enjoyable conversations I've ever had. And then you just kind of went dark. But, and then you'll just booty call me at 11 p.m.

Did you like that? FaceTime me. I'm like, I literally rolled in bed. I got to bed at like 8.30. I was like, freaking Eric is FaceTiming me? And I did not pick up. So apologies for that. But John sent him a selfie.

It was your brother, John. Oh, yes. It was so confusing. Anyway, but here we are. We brought you up, and then I forgot what we were talking about. I was like, I need to send him a selfie. so that's how it you aspired so we saw you guys at stage coach john was there i laughed harder that night i also got so intimidated by you that night jesse we'll touch on that so were you

she wasn't pregnant i was pregnant i was pregnant i was pregnant and jesse comes up to me she grabs me you say john you say my brother was there yeah yeah he was there and he was acting like he served in the arm it was he was back in 2019 okay so it was the year i performed formed. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you were. Yeah. Okay, because I've only been once. Okay, that's right. We ran into you guys. Was my brother there? And his wife. John and Allie were there? They were engaged or dating? John was definitely there. I will never forget. I will never forget. I will never forget. I will never be in a little building. Maybe I didn't know he was there. No, her. No, her. You're thinking of another time. We were all together. John was definitely there. There's no way. This one stage. I remember being a little building. Maybe I didn't know he was there. It was like essay ladder. You know, you were all together. So Sean's pregnant and we were talking about the baby. We're like, we're not finding out the gender and you like. You're right.

He was there. Yeah. Okay. You like pull me aside. The most intense eye contact, you're like, Andrew, you need to find out the gender. You're not doing her, you're doing her a disservice because I bond with my baby. As soon as I needed a gender and I was like, Sean, we got done telling you a story that it was because of his preference that I decided I wasn't going to find out. And you were like, no, you have.

to know. So what did you guys end up doing? We didn't find out. But I did say, I did say that's your call now, so. I will say, we did it, we did, we didn't find out with Drew and we found out with Jett. And I still, to this day, one of my favorite moments ever was as soon as I had Drew, they handed her to Andrew and Andrew got to tell me. Oh my gosh. And he was like, we had a baby girl.

Oh. Because I was convinced we were having a boy. Yeah. And I was shook. But it was, it was really. That was special. But I did my friends. It just depends.

I think I like to know, like I'll get the blood sample at 10 weeks. Oh, like 10 weeks? I'm that girl. Because I want to know instantly who's in there, who's in my body, and I want to start talking to them and, like, really, yeah. But everyone's different. Did you name them as soon as you found the gender? Yes.

I've always had all their names way before. Really? They kind of switched, though. We had like some go-toes and then. I'm saying as soon as we were pregnant, we had their names. Yeah. Right. Like the first boy.

well I guess Vivy was going to be Sophia Well she wasn't totally going to be We always liked the name And we realized everyone named their kid Sophia We had a few names though That we kind of went back and forth

And then you felt like All right this is this is the name Yeah He wanted Vivian Because he was worried that no one Was going to be able to say Vivian And they still can't say Vivian But whatever

Is it Vivian or is it Vivian It's Vivian Oh really? Okay Yeah like pronounced Vivian I'm so sorry I actually did not know that I didn't know that either. I see it now that it's written, but. I will say that after I got pregnant with Jet and finding out at, we found out

20 weeks, it was different, like having conversations with him and not just like, hey, baby, you know? Because I knew, because you know the name. Yeah. So for me, you know, being pregnant with Forrest, as soon as it was a boy, we knew, we always knew he was going to be Forrest if it wasn't what the girl name was going to be. So I would be like, Little Forrest is spastic. He's going to be a wild one.

I can feel it. I know it and he is our wild one yeah but I love bonding yeah come out give us a little background how'd you guys meet oh man oh gosh dot com seriously yeah match dot com it was the my the week trial it was the week trial we both were each other's week trial and it was instant you are lying we both deactivated it's crazy you guys are both like on a win we just like the same week decided we both were tired of like the dating process it was you're lying you're literally lying you're pretty lying to it dude i was like just eating okay i was about saying we're obligated we have a match endorsement a match dealer we have a mention in the next conversation so really

honestly it's crazy because wait do you actually no oh my god no it's farmers only i don't know what's happening right now i think we're very good I would say so. Such honest, good people. You are, though, yeah. You're blushing. You were deep in it. You were like, I got a lot of places to go with this.

No, but I'll say, like, crazy about our relationship is that we were both in places that, like, we were going to be single for, like, a long time because she got out of a relationship that she was just ready to be single. I was in, like, kind of a long-term up-and-down relationship. And then it was the lockout year. So we got to travel a bunch and thinking like, wow, this is great. I get to travel, you know, just kind of do my own thing. And she was on the road touring.

I was done dating too. I was like, I'm done. Done with men. I need to like figure myself out. Like I need to get back to me. I don't like, I'm lost here. Mm-hmm. I'm just going down a dark path.

So I was like, you know, this is just, this year is going to just be the year of Jessica. And no, no men folk. And then. Hold up. Your name's Jessica. Yes. I didn't know that either. Jesse short for Jessica.

I see that now. The Southern accent comes through and it gets me every time too. Oh, really? Just like a, yeah. I don't think I have one. It pops. It pops when you're on stage or...

Drunk. Drunk. That too. We're nervous. When I'm really nervous it comes out. So when I'm on stage, I get nervous. And right now. I'm a little drunk.

Right now. No. I'm not nervous actually. I'm not nervous at all, actually. But I think I mean, I'm from the South. So I do have, to people that are not from the South, they think I have an accent, but people in the South don't think I have an accent.

Yeah. That's fair. We're getting off track here. I know. I apologize. Beaver. Beaver. No, it's squirrel.

Squirrel. Squirrel. I've never heard of Beaver. Well, that's actually a real story. So let me tell you, let me tell you quickly while we're just distracted. I got a buddy who's got serious ADHD and on his mirror in his bathroom and says, did you take your riddle in this morning? morning. That was his like sign because he was so like ADHD. Well, we're driving down the road and we're having

like deep conversation. I don't know where he goes, beaver. We're like, what? Like just randomly said beaver. So that's why I guess you guys say squirrel. I say beaver. It's a real life story. Yes. Back to our relationship. So I'm in Arizona training. This is a March time frame. And she's in Nashville. The traveling with tour and stuff. And I'm out with a buddy who's quarterback we train together and he's like you're in scossdale so the scene's there and so he's taking this girl to dinner and i'm with a couple of other friends and she's older she's probably at her 30s i was 23 at the time she said hey i got a friend for you i was like great the time i was kind of in the cougar phase a little bit so you know like all right well 30 that's

perfect cougar phase like like you say that like everyone goes through a cougar phase you can go through Cougars? It's typical. I guess not yet, maybe. I don't get the women that are into the younger men thing, by the way. I do not understand that at all. That's another story. Being 35, I don't either.

No. I get it. I feel like Clooney older and like Brad Pitt. I'd go way older. All right, go ahead. That's true. Well, listen. So she's got this friend.

And I'm thinking she's in town. well it's Jess and she introduced us via text like hey and I've heard of Jess before because country music or she's been on the radio in Minnesota a bunch and knew of her but not knew her and so I googled her I was like oh she's beautiful of course and so I started messaging her and we just went back and forth for probably three and a half weeks uh and like i chatting because you didn't have FaceTime then so it's i chat and you know all the stuff and we just kind of really connected. I think it was super important for us because we had to like get to know each other. It was more of an emotional connection. We would have met. We would have probably slept together

that night. And that might have been it. I wouldn't have been able to have any self-control if I'm being completely honest. With a guy like that? Yes. And that was not my thing back in the day. I was very like, you know, you're in respect me situation, but he's the hottest guy I've ever seen in my life. And I would have had zero self-control. I know it because I don't to this day have any self-control even when I'm mad at him. And I was 23 and, you know, looking to have fun so yeah obviously probably but on my side i'm like on tour and i'm in jacksonville for a show and like i'm just so pissed off about the i had like a bad date situation that's when i had sworn off men i was like i'm done and lee and her name is leona and she's a girlfriend

in mine and she had texted me and said um like let me set you up with someone like don't let this leave a bad taste in your mouth like i know so many great amazing guys let me set you up with someone and she had texted me and said, I'm out to dinner. I'm hanging out with this guy and he's got some friends with him and there's this guy here that's like literally the hottest guy I've ever seen. And if I wasn't hanging out with his friend, I'd be trying to hang out with him. I was like, I'm done with him. She was talking about Eric? Yes. She sends me a picture on our Blackberry. She BBMs me a picture of Eric and he's wearing blue jeans, a white t-shirt and he's got his arms crossed and his legs kind of back on a chair like looking at someone and I

It was just like I melted. Like I was like, this is the most beautiful man I've ever seen. I just thought he was just stunning. But I had a good feeling too. So I was like, you can give him my number. And this man was blowing. Are you texting someone right now? No, I'm trying to.

Come on, do not so, sir. Just keep you deep. I'm sorry. So he starts blowing, blowing me up, like paragraphs. He's sending me lyrics of my songs. Oh, God. I like this song. And I jammed to a little bit of boys in the summer, like just saying all these days.

It wasn't the smoothest. And I was like, oh, my God, he's really hot. He's coming on so strong. No. It was a lot. And he would text me all the time. He would call me all the time. And at one point, we realized throughout our relationship, like we'd been together three months.

We had realized that he had never received an incoming call for me or a text message first. Hey. Because I would never text first and I would never call first. Well, I'm just, I've never. Then, like, I don't chase, you know. Played it well. It was not playing. I just don't chase.

If you want me, you come get me. I did. He did. You both got the bug bad. I came hard. Dang. So, anyway, we, to sum up the story, we started having a long-distance relationship for about three months. And then I was planning on leaving my apartment and my lease was up and I was moving to L.A.

with my best friend, Jessica. My best friend Jessica was going through a divorce. and we were she got me a job and my record deal was done she got me a job doing makeup where she was doing makeup because I was going to do that work out there with some producers trying to figure out my next step and she was like sending me videos of apartments like we were moving in together and during this time he's like you're not doing that like I will lose you in LA and I know it like moved to Denver and live with me oh my god making play well because during this time you got realized like there's some guys pursuing her and I was like

season starts don't say names and don't go there because I'm not it's going to be over and I was like you need to come to Denver like I'm wifeing I'm locking you down at that point and like you're mine basically put my stamp

and you were ready for that to get locked down um I definitely had fallen for him at this point and I was really excited about moving in with my best friend we'd never been able because she was married and this was going to be our first time to just like like I love this girl so we were going to have so much fun trouble it was not going to be it might have been a little

trouble but i was like you know what my heart is telling me to do this even though this is really fast and i have no business and in denver colorado like i'm literally going to be living there for him and his career but i just felt like you know what if i'm not happy on a personal like level in my heart like my career's not going to i'm not going to enjoy my career anyway so what's the point i'm such a family person and and i know that that part of me needs to feel like whole and so i went with it and i moved in and my best room was upset but i introduced her to her husband 10 years later and now they're happy living in tampa but yeah how's that wait so how did they go you moved in together three and a half months in mm-hmm yeah you moved to a new place where you had no friends

didn't know anyone would wait for him all day while he's at football practice we got engaged at a year that one year so i guess like eight months later nine months got engaged and just kind of freaked everybody out yeah we sure did how did eric propose in Vegas in Vegas for it was there for the ACM awards most romantic place on earth no it makes sense and he proposed to me um yeah it was actually let me tell a story because I was actually really nervous. So it was our one year of being together. I thought it was very sentimental.

So I'm in Denver. She's there already for some music stuff. I'm finishing up like the off-season program. I get the ring. I fly down. I like go tell the hotel manager like, hey, I want to surprise my girlfriend. Can you bring this up on, like you store it for me first?

Like make sure it's safe. The ring? The ring, yeah. Oh my gosh. I gave it to them. I know. probably crazy thinking about now yeah and i said i want to surprise you like we're going to order breakfast and have coffee because that was kind of our thing in the morning and kick some coffee

and so you know the idea was to come up with the platter and she opens it oh wow i'm on my knee proposing well what happened was we ordered it come up nothing i'm like i'm like where's the rinks i'm calling the god i'm like hey what happened like i thought someone stole it at this point yeah i don't know if i had insurance on it yet and so i'm kind of freaking out freaking out and she sees me kind of pacing around like you want some waters you need anything else and so i got a hold of them he's like i'll bring it bring it up and the guy's like i got your waters he's winking at me like i don't need the wink i just need like the execution here just give me the ring because my heart's beating really fast and uh it was like total total awkward like

hey just didn't go as planned do you want to grab a water you know like trying to get her to go and like tell me the guy was still in the room He wasn't in the room No, but So she fumbled over there And found her way, I guess It was like a sweet And it was like in the kitchen

So I went to like Pull the top of the tray And I saw the ring And I was like What? And I looked at it And then I looked And Eric was on his knee

And he was like Very simple I think Will you marry me It was really sweet I mean It didn't go his plan But I didn't know What the plan was

So I don't know That it was messed up I just you know I was very simple So he definitely got me. Wow. It was a surprise. It was very, very exciting.

That's the most nervous I've ever been, bro. Oh, dude. Yes. You planned it the same day. What do y'all get so nervous? You know we're going to say yes or you wouldn't be proposing. It's like the gravity of realizing this is like once, you know? Yeah.

And also it's like there's, you're just thinking about, am I doing it right? Am I doing it big enough? Like this is going to be something we talk about all the time. Like, what are the, I don't know. Andrew planned his engagement or engagement, whatever. like the night before he did it how do you do it in the middle of the cubs fields that oh yes i remember that is romantic is it romantic i don't know did you like it i it was the last thing i expected that's perfect i love that that's so romantic we knew i knew it was

coming because like we had been talking about it but you're just not like a on a stage person you always want things very intimate and quiet so i never expected i got pissed out i'm actually So I was throwing a first pitch, and he came walking out onto the field. And I was like, what are you doing? You're not supposed to be out here. Like, it's not allowed. No. I was so mad.

I was so dumb. And then he got down on my knee. I was like, oh, my God. I didn't know I was going to be able to do it until literally like two hours before it happened. So I was like checking my phone all the time. Like, is this going down or not? Because you had to ask. Yeah, like the Wrigley Field people anyway.

I also, when I bought the ring, it was like a month after I'd signed with the chiefs. So right, I, I, I, I got like a signing bonus. I spent every dime of my signing bonus on the ring. And I didn't factor in taxes. So I had to pay for the ring. And I was like negative in my bank account. I was like, okay.

It wasn't like you were a favorite dinner for a while. Oh my God. It says sweet. That's love right there. I know. I know. And it's beautiful. You were,

you had signed a record deal. And by that time, you had some big songs out. You were going to go do makeup. Why were you going to do you make it? I didn't, I mean, people think that musicians make money and you really don't. Yeah. If I, like, I think about it all the time.

And some of the people that you know that are on the radio are having a hard time paying their car note. I can promise you that right now. People that have had number one songs. You just don't make a lot of money in music. And so, yeah, I had lost all my money. It was, like, done and I needed a job. I mean, I remember being on tour. Jonas Brothers and coming off the road and applying at Sephora at the Green Hills Mall because

my card was declining and it wasn't because I was like big spending it's just you don't take into obviously taxes come into play but also 20% was going to manager 15% was going to my agent 5% was was going to my business manager what's left you know what I mean it's like you're not a millionaire at this point you're not you're not making even half a million like you don't make that much money I barely had enough to live and all of it was being taken away all these percentages and my card was declining when I was trying to buy like green beans at the grocery store and I'm crying because I can't afford it. Like it was not the easiest but I was never too proud and I always was trying to apply

and get side jobs and I did get side jobs in Nashville all the time. I remember dancing like for carnival like they had a thing and I got up and I had to be one of the dancer girls on a table for extra cash. Like, I always was doing something trying to figure it out. Wow. But, yeah, she'd gotten me a job and I was going to be doing makeup. It was at a place called Blushington off of Sunset Boulevard. It's not there anymore, but she'd gotten me this job.

And, like, that was the plan, and I was going to try to get another record deal. Part of it for her, too, was, like, she wanted to go the country route and, like, ended up kind of getting pigeonholed into the pop world. And so I think that transition for the label was part of, Probably like being disappointed, I guess, right? I mean, like you felt like you weren't being the country star at the time you wanted to be. You were like Jones Brothers and in the studio with hip-pop artists.

Well, I never, yeah, my intention was never to do anything but country. The only people that would sign me were pop people. And so they'd always promised me that I could do country on the pop label. But I always use the example. It's like going to Pizza Hut and asking for tacos. Like it's just, you know, everyone has their expertise. But anyway, it led me down this path And it led me

You use the term dark path I think it was when you're talking about your dating Yes But was that was this Is it career or more dating? It was all of it Like I remember it was like 2000 And

10 and 11 were just like not the best times Like I just was lost My record deal was failing My music was just going downhill At this point I was in a relationship for three years prior to that and just like my heart was broken and I was just like dating the wrong guys my best friend and roommate at the time Hallie had moved to New York and I just felt like

so alone I was just lost and was like literally it hit my rock bottom at this point but why were you dating the wrong guys I'm curious like how does that happen you know what I'm saying um I don't did the same thing yeah yeah until you found me it was yes I think we all learn a little bit about ourselves. I think like who we are as children and who we grow into to be coming and what you're surrounded by. Like there's a psychology behind all of it, why you're attracted to who you're attracted to. It's things that you love about yourself, things you don't love about yourself. Like you're trying to find that person, right, that fits those needs that you have. And I don't know, I think there's definitely some consistency with the guys that I dated, but there was a little something

about each one of them that I liked that I seem to focus on rather than ignoring the rest. And I think ultimately the person you choose, hopefully is your soulmate, but also is all those pieces that you liked about everyone combined into one. And I think, you know, I definitely dated some shady characters. Choochis, as we say. Some what? What is that? Chute, chute.

I don't know, that's my new favorite word. Chooch. Chooch? What's a chooch? I think it's actually a tachous. I think it's actually Italian for Chuchina. Can you look this up, Ro? Can we get a Google search?

Chuchita. Chuchita. Sounds like you're saying gooch. No, no. It's Italian for a stupid person. Yeah, Chuchina. I'm going to start using that. Yeah, you're welcome for that.

You guys are so romantic. We are? Yeah, I think so. I don't feel like we are. Do you feel like you're still, the way you talk about, like, your initial feelings, and it seems like you're still there. what with each other yeah you didn't see

no for sure I think that I don't know I think if if it wasn't like listen we're not perfect by any means we like have normal marriage stuff like anybody else but I think the thing that's important

is our foundation was so strong we just genuinely liked each other like from the get-go and I think there was no other reason other than we just liked spending time together and we just enjoyed each other's company and we want to do fun things together and I think that has been so important even during the hardest times or the best times or the craziest times you know I think that that's stayed with us throughout this whole thing that we just want to be together it's that simple

and I say with that you know it's like to the foundation part like we've committed our lives to each other you know having a Christian foundation in a sense like you commit to one another and you live this life and I think intimacy is a big thing there's all types of intimacy, like physical intimacy, obviously still very important, as is building the emotional intimacy and the recreational intimacy of what we get to do together as far as play and have fun. And so I think realizing, you know, those things and trying to balance it, because as you guys know, as parents, like, it's hard to, like, be selfish sometimes or, like, focus on your relationship when you got the responsibilities of career, kids, this, this, this, everything,

you know, it goes with it. It's like, but how it started is, is. you to and I think that's a realization that we have to carve out that time to give to each other and like your knees are going to be different than her knees and so how do you fill each other's buckets and just being real with those conversations and adapting as you mature I guess you know right as people we figure that out so I think that's what I say is the biggest thing is committing to that in life and just obviously we fundamentally love each other and like we're super attracted to each for reasons but to for reasons because you get like a nice butt and a great body and ambitious like

this that's doesn't go away but yeah i i i agree with her i think i think it's the foundation it's the foundation it's what's in your heart and she's got a great ass that's how it gets deeper guys obviously i might be this kachush whatever meat had when i was 23 324, but now you got to grow up a little bit. It's a hard C-H, I think. It's a choooch. Oh, cacooch? No, no.

No, Eric. Cheuch. Cheuch, I got to stuff my teeth again. Again, again. Andrew doesn't want to tell me. Oh, man, it's hilarious. I don't know how to transition off of you like her butt, but, but you said something that was attractive to you is ambition, something that we wrote in our notes because I

find it fascinating. you guys seem like very, very ambitious people, like constantly growing your businesses and you're on the road. But how do you balance your ambition for each other, like supporting each other, going off in different directions and together and being parents and being married?

I'm going to say this. This is me being totally honest. Eric has always been extremely supportive of my career and everything I do. And saying when he played football, I really didn't work that much anymore and I was always there for him. But I do think there has to come a balance.

and like last year I worked way too much and that was hard it was hard like when I went off to dancing with the stars yeah that was like that was the hardest for for Eric because because I was just like and it was hard for me because I was just trying to focus do the best that I can and it did not come easy for me at all and it was super stressful and I think that like you know it was definitely a learning lesson of like things need to be a little bit more balanced out and in a better way because it was too it was hard it was really hard because we missed each other we did I think that was a realization like we learned that last year like all right maybe less is more in that sense sometimes but also we've been able to you know make a priority

that our kids are in school from you know eight to three that's our time to kind of grind and then it's you know when we're home focus on trying to be present and be home with the kids and that's our priority. And so obviously that's not the case every day. But it was like, hey, I got to do some stuff. Okay, great. I'll take the lead now, you know, or vice versa. And as she said, when I was playing football,

she was kind of at home and took care of... I was rolling up with the wagon at football practice and their little juice boxes watching Dad. Took care of that part. And as I retired and we kind of transitioned and she went more career-oriented, I tried to do some more stuff at home. And now, you know, I've been in this transition

and trying to figure out what's next for me and obviously helping build the brand at Kittnish and a few other things on the side I do, but like we've been able to find that balance. And I think, but day to day, the important thing is, is like, at the end, our kids want to be seen, they want to be heard, they want to be loved.

Our kids come first. And so we give them that priority. That's our priority. And then otherwise, the time we get, we try to, you know, knock it out. as I'm sure you guys are the same way how supporting each other and like different you're both your careers how was it for you both of you honestly when you did decide to leave the NFL and like go through that transition because losing the identity of athlete is very challenging oh I cried

I cried for him why because I I that's all I like when I met Eric he was a rookie so like I knew Eric, and not necessarily because of the glitz and glamour of NFL, wasn't that at all. I just, this is what he did. This was his job, and it was my job to support him and make those posters for him when the season starts and the care packages and make sure I'm there in that tunnel, telling him what a great job he did, or paying attention to the game so I can critique and give him, like, that was my job. And that also, I knew how much he loved the game.

And I cried because of all the emotions of how's he, does he, is he really making the right decision? I, I, I'm worried about him. This is, our lives are changed now completely. And this is an end of an era. Mm-hmm. And so it was very emotional. I loved when he, I loved it.

I loved watching him play. Yeah, it was a transition for sure. And I think. You're still transition. Yeah. I am, yeah, for sure. It takes a long time. I still am.

I say like four, four plus years. And so, like, at the end of my career, I had injuries, and I think it just took a toll. That's how we met. Yeah. On the rehab table. You did, yep. I didn't have a leg. You didn't have a shoulder.

Exactly. Or hip at that point. And, like, so, you know, building yourself back up and then getting out there and then getting hurt again. So my last year in Tennessee, I had, like, the worst ankle injury. And it's just like the psyche of dealing with injuries and just, like, is this really worth it you know that was a thought going into that offseason and i ended up going new england for a couple weeks and like the first day i got there i was like i'm done like and

i call jess i call my agent they're like ah just just give it a week and then the week later i was like i'll give it one more a week i'm like no like i am out like my mind is is out like i'm physically there but i'm not there like invested and so at that point i'm like you know what i'm going to be good and so i retired I get home six months goes by it's like oh this is awesome I get to get the kids you to do whatever I want we just had a baby too no responsibilities no one to answer to and then it's you know nine months later it's like busy work trying to find something and a year later it's like all right I need to do something and at that point going through like these depressional you know pitfalls in a sense it's like things are good

okay who am I because my value was obviously tied to football And just trying to figure out and navigate through that path. It was hard. And obviously, I got some, like, resources and put some guys, peers around me to try to figure it out. And it's been so tremendous to kind of take this journey now because I've been through it. And I feel that it is real. And I think a lot of guys and girls go through it. And so being a spokesperson in a sense or to be able to talk about my own experience and normalize, I guess, that.

with around mental health and around just the transition in general is super important because like I've been through it I've walked it. Yeah, that's it's hard because the infrastructure like when you're doing sports

you have a coach who's like, you know, game planning for you like, hey, we need to do this in three months and they have your daily calendar and agenda laid out and you got, you know, there's like this whole system that you're part of and then you walk away from that you're like i actually don't know what do i do with my time what am i actually am i working towards

anything now it's just like empty i relate to you though about being sad and scared i was terrified because for for you because i didn't know where your energy and passion would go and a lot of people get changed forever by that and like as a wife you're like okay you're getting a new person now yes and you don't know how it's going to be channeled no you you you honestly you get you maybe become someone else now because they're not that person anymore so you don't know how that's going to go my first time kind of because I was on the road when he first got cut but my first glimpse at what life would look like after this is I just think it's funny he's got an NBA from Vanderbilt I come home off the road because I was touring post-Olympics and he had just applied to be

an Uber driver and he had been binging um PubG like um video games video games and i was like oh no there's some of my teeth for real you really do i which one you had something to see sorry sorry to cut you off you know right in the middle of your tooth yeah you do it's been there this whole time good thing the east provides flash maybe the top right one too we're just getting to the heartfelt portion i was just going to give him the obvious spot not tell i don't see anything i can't see it from here what is happening this is never oh my gosh

I've got stuff in his teeth every day. I thought that was like a low-key look where it's like, hey, we're done with it. We're done. No, I don't think of it anymore. I'm like, I can't stare at it any longer. You take what you're saying seriously. I couldn't see it. Are good?

I think you look great. It looks good. The hottest guy I've ever seen. Anywho. So Uber. You're an Uber driver and you're back to the heart fun. He was doing video games and signing up for Uber. You know the backpack?

The backpack that I had made? And you tried to start a backpack company. And I was like, oh, no. I got them not go. Dude, I got to know. What's your birthday? I don't know. September.

September what? 17th. Yeah, you're a Virgo. What are you? Capricorn. What are you? I'm an Ares. I don't.

And what are you? He's he's. My birthday next week, guys. It is. How are they? March 15th. Oh my gosh. Six days, actually.

What does that tell you? Who's counting? Yeah, why are you making fun of me? He's very. Have you ever have knee issues or anything like? Oh, yes. Yes. All the time.

Capricorns carry their stress in their knees and they're prone to those accidents and knees and Pisces rule the feet so he's broken his foot Liz Frank the whole thing wow but like it just it just yeah what about Ares neck and head I always have neck and head issues I have to get like physical therapy you know Virgo Virgo that one I haven't studied as much I know this signs a lot of the people that I'm around but our son is a Virgo and Virgo's which is interesting that you tell me you're messy downstairs because Virgos are actually quite organized and OCD and very

particular about things so I'm curious to know what your rising sign is if that's not accurate. I mean I would say I'm definitely organizing Virgo's got some ticks and they're like very detail oriented but sometimes they have a really hard time seeing the bigger picture. I can see Andrew have some ticks like you know what I'm saying like you

you may sit in this room and you could see the details but overall she may be the person that gets stand above this room being like, I see what you're saying, but this is not the whole thing. Actually, yeah, we're pretty good team that way. Lexi's like, yeah, yeah. So you see the big picture, for sure. Yes. I'm very tight thing.

The visionary, the executor. Yeah. Yes. How goes. Same way. Yes. You're the executor? I got the big dreams.

I don't know how to do it. He does it. Yeah. He's like, you're so good at like the delegation. Can I tell a story? What? Vertigo? No, not vertigo.

That's a whole different thing. Yeah. Do you ever get car sick or nauseous? I feel like I need to go diarrhea right now. Really? I'm kidding. I'm just. It's what that smell was. Do you get nauseous ever, though?

It's a bit punchy. Car sick, anything like that? Car sick for sure. Yeah. So a lot of Virgoes do get car sick and they do have like they, they don't process alcohol as well as other people. I'm a lightweight. He's a massive lightweight. Can't wait for this charity event.

We're going to have a good time. Oh, yeah. It's going to be a good time. Okay. You were going to say something, though. Are you in the Enneagram, too, or no? Yeah, I'm an eight. Really?

What's eight? The Challenger. The challenger. Oh. Oh. What are you? Achever. Yeah.

And I'm a, what's one? You're a one like a perfectionist? Yeah. Yeah. You're a two. I'm a two, wing one, but when I'm like good, two, wing three. Wow. When you're good?

Like, individualistic is three? I'm just saying like in a mental state. Like, oh, I'm a perfectionist by nature, which can be like, obviously. Is seven the achiever too? The enthusiast. What is, what would you say is your guys' challenge? Together? Yeah.

For Andrew and I, I am a perfectionist. And I expect perfection for myself, from us, from our marriage, our parenting style. And that just doesn't do well for anybody. Thank you for many. I'm glad. I'm thankful for the self-awareness, right? Yes, yes. I'll speak on our, if you let me. I would say, I think, our biggest challenge is I am a very, like, yolo person.

I'm like, I want to enjoy life. I want to have fun. I want us to, like, we don't know what tomorrow holds. Do you know what I'm saying? We don't know what tomorrow holds. So let's enjoy our blessings and what we got. and let's wake up and just like with a smile on our face and just be happy that we live this amazing life we have healthy children we have like let's just enjoy it and i think for me

eric gets so sometimes he can be a little controlling and the way that he like he needs to have control over everything and he i may want to go like let's let's get on a plane to italy tomorrow and it'll be so much fun and let's go have some some gelato and let's like take the kids to this one beach where it's pink and it'll be the greatest memories and they got pink beaches they do what yes and i'm like this will be so much fun and eric's like it's too expensive we we can't the kids got school in that day and it's like so he kind of us kills me a little bit but i understand you need both or like okay for example we went to italy okay and we made this wine

together we made this wine in 2021 and we made it with this italian guy he didn't speak a look at english and it was so much fun and we'd like sip up the wine and do all these weird things to taste it we made this amazing wine and we got to create the label and it finally came in and we've been waiting for this and i have downed three bottles since we've gotten it in yeah and me and my mom are having it like a few nights go at the house and he's like is that the wine and i was like yeah he's like he's like you know that we don't have that many left downstairs We only got a small case. And I'm like, okay, well, I'm enjoying it.

Can you please save one? Because I want to like have some at some point. There's plenty downstairs. But, you know, he's like, I don't know. So for me, I'm like, but that's why we ordered it to enjoy it. And it's amazing. And there could be, you know, our basement could collapse and then it all goes to hell. Like, let me enjoy this wine that we've been waiting for because it's delicious.

And this is, it's amazing. and my mom and I are having great deep conversation enjoying this wine and you are telling me to stop and my mom's like do we pour it back in the bottle no she's like do we put a cork in it she's like do you have a thing we can just put it back in and I'm like no but you know I mentioned that I do admit that for sure there's and again that falls into like I think I thrive in like structure and when I feel out of control I try to control things, you know, if I'm not in control of my emotions and myself, I try to control or dictate my surroundings, which obviously isn't the best. And I'm a wild woman in his eyes. So for him, I can get a little too loose canon for him that he feels like he's got like, reel me back in. Well, I also love the spontaneity that you like bring. That was something that was very attractive because I've always been very rigid and everything's like, like I said, super structured and she's just this spontaneous like full life person. I was like, wow, this is

really like infectious I guess you know so that's what was super attractive but I'm definitely more free-spirited in that way I think you know and I'm getting better working at it but just like allowing things just to happen and that's that's being real and I think that that comes with again part of the retiring and being in this phase of my life of figuring out okay like what is my value or what am I tied to like how do I you know control my nervous system and the sense of my emotions and how do I communicate it properly, even to that matter? There's a lot of things that, like, sports, I feel like, they don't really provide self-care on, on, like, those type of things.

And I don't really have that growing up either. So all of a sudden, now I'm in this space where I have a lot of time and a lot of, like, thoughts. And it's like, all right, how do you take that energy and make it, you know, a healthy way? Channeled it. it seems like you guys are kind of similar and we're kind of similar but what's what's cool there used to be a lot of tension around that for me where it's like gosh she just needs to chill out right like let's have fun exactly but i also have that tendency i am way more on your side of like

well when it comes to like spending money you're like yeah but it's the whole thing of like you've worked so hard like why not i know i i came from nothing growing up and so for me, I'm like, I know what it's like to not have anything and to watch my mom not be able to pay for dinner tonight and we're at McDonald's. So, like, I know what it's like, and I've worked my butt off and I feel like I'm going to enjoy the blessings that I have and not save them for our great, great, great, great, great grandchildren like he wants to. Now, listen, let me make it clear. We do a lot of fun stuff. Like, every time our business manager is like, you guys do no vacation this week? Because we do travel a good amount. Like, we're

Because I want to show our kids the world. We're very blessed. So it's not like on this like dictator like, no, you can't do nothing. But I'm saying that I challenge. Why are you trying to save for 10 generations to come? Okay. Well, they need to figure it out. There used to be a lot of tension around this.

But I've realized like in order to have a functioning organization that's sustainable in this scenario of family or marriage, it's good to have both. Both are necessary. Like, hey, we got to, maybe we should increase our budget a little in this area, but also we need to make sure we're on a budget and like staying anyway so we're similar in that sense but i will never this is just getting on a tangent i'll never forget one time we got into a conversation of budgeting and he had like calculated a budget for us like a monthly budget and i was like babe that doesn't cover our mortgage that literally doesn't cover the mortgage i also tried to one time go

dave ramsie and say we're getting rid of all our credit cards i lost it oh it's hilarious Is Dave Ramsey get rid of credit cards? He's a no-debt kind of guy. So, never mind. Not everyone. It's not worth it. But I do love that in a sense, like, I put the spreadsheet together for the She's like, I don't care.

I don't care. I don't care. That's not the way I like to see things from business managers. The way I like to see is how much have I brought in this month? Yeah. You know, what have I done this month? And, you know, what did I pay out and like, you know? Yeah.

looking at the top line not the bottom and it well i want to tell a story because one of the most recent times we saw eric was when jesse you were on dance with the stars we're waiting in the line out back this what i'm saying you guys this the night i got kicked off no no no it was the premiere you watched videos you all last night by the way vivie is like very she's obsessed not to interrupt your story but back just dancing with stars i have to say this vivie's like the biggest dancing with the stars fanatic in the world she's a super fan i'm talking super fan and she loves all the seasons she did not understand she keeps watching the last this past season over and over again every episode and i was like baby you know that there were other seasons yeah and she's like but they're not on disney plus and i was like i know

i was like go to youtube and see what pops up and you popped up and she watched every single one of your dances you were incredible thank you so when i tell you i like live on her a rock sometimes i don't know all these things and it's just because I don't I don't know what's going on well I did not realize what a badass you were and you should have won did you win did you didn't win I won with Mark she was on twice we can't even yeah so I wasn't maybe was trying to explain it to me but there she baby was like I can't believe she didn't win I'm like yeah I thought she did win so I should have won Derek Derek was unbelievable that season and his creativity and what he created I for Derek's Like, for Derek's reason, like, Derek should have won.

I was so sad. So she won with Mark in season 8. Radman had an all-star season. Thank you. It was fun. They had an all-star season, brought her back. Don't watch the Mark. No, it's very good.

I love Mark to death, and we had fun. But I was awkward and I was 16, and I was just like a little. A baby. Yeah. I was an infant child. So you won that season with Mark. I did. I won with Mark, and I came in second with Derek.

Okay. Yeah. During the All-Star season. Well, you were incredible. I was watching, and I'm like, because I know what it's like now. to be there and like what it feels like and the pressure and I'm just like you look like a professional out there thank you I mean you really you like I couldn't decide which one was when the y'all were all out there doing one of the ensembles I'm like she looks like one of the professionals

during the premiere we need to get back to yours but during the fair I was so nervous watching you I was so excited to watch but like I was freaking out you did a phenomenal I was excited on the premiere and as soon as we were done with the sweet home Alabama dance I was like we did it and then all of a sudden, the judges all were like, you suck. I was like, oh my God, I actually thought we did that. Also, I will say the judges were unfairly, like, brutal to you. I have no idea why. I still have so many questions.

Brutal. Also, like gold was incredible. I died. Oh, they hated that, too. It was incredible. Did you have fun? I don't know. Let's get back to your story.

Okay, so it's the premiere, and we're standing outside waiting for our tickets or entry, whatever. and Eric's standing there with, you know, a bouquet of flowers. And it's like, like, this is what I'm saying. Like, there's something, you guys are interesting because you have, like, you're a professional football player and you have, like, the, you know, the music, and there's an edge to your brand. You guys are all, you know, but it's, like, this tenderness that's, like, very apparent.

And I was just, I have a lot to learn from you. And I was like, dang, I actually think I bought flowers for Sean the next day because I was like, I need to do more of that. So I just, I just respect how you go about. I appreciate you to bounce ideas off each other because I use some advice myself. That's what we're here for, baby. That's right. That's right.

That's awesome. I think what's great too is like, and you guys are in the same situation. It's like you have, you know, prolific careers or bios in a sense and people know who you are. And, you know, obviously. No one's ever described my NFL career as prolific. But thank you. Thank you. Well, I understand the, like the percentage.

The 1% to get there. That's what I tried to get to that. That's massive. Think about the people that talk about their high school glory days. I mean, like, you made it to the NFL. It's massive. It's Rona Week. Now until Wednesday.

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But what I love, though, what I was trying to say is like, especially being in Nashville, I feel like those things are, okay, you do them, cool. But like, it's the community of, like, being just regular people. And that's kind of what we- It's a safe bubble here, isn't it? I love it. Try to give to our kids is like the quote-unquote normalcy now of like, all right, you go to school, you got your friends, you do your activities.

Like you live in a sense of just like a regular life that we call it. But like everyone, you know, we'll put you on a pedestal because of, oh, your name and what you did and who you are but like and not interrupt you but do you not feel like when you leave Nashville and you get on a plane and you're and you're like oh shoot I forgot uh-huh this happens all the time because you and I could go to the Green Hills like a whole food right now and nobody cares nobody don't care yeah but if you and I had to get on a plane and we're walking around you know LA or no not even LA like any other state or city and people start coming up there's always is the moment of going, I forget.

It's humbling in Nashville. You can't call and be like, hey, I want a table for 730. They're like, good. Everybody else does too. Too bad. We're booked. Like, they don't care. No.

And I love it. Same. I love that too. But what you're saying. So with all that said, yeah, I guess. No, it's like we're normal people, right? I think that's what we want to. I'm trying to bounce off.

Exactly. We want to provide to our kids and just like how we want to live our life. Like, we have to do some really special things. things and are going to keep doing special things in our life. We've got a cool project we're working on. But I think it's just like, you know, we just want to be normal folk. And that's what I love is that how she grew up and how I grew up. Like, you know, we meshed that.

And I think there's a lot of similarities and a lot of values that we take from our upbringings and instill them in our kids and how we raise them. And so that's super important to never lose sight of that. You know, never lose sight of like, you know, what this life is like especially like i say in nashville just it provides what we want all right of all the things that you've done and you you can answer first what are you most proud of what do you mean anything interpreted as you want you could say hey i won this award or playing in this game was big for me or this concert you mean career wise

or just all in life because in my mind immediately went to like having babies okay like immediately was like becoming a mom but I don't know if you meant personal or yeah that place that's insightful I will say that's my it's immediate I don't feel like I've like gotten to know you over the course of like a long time but that was my first impression of you as stage coach was the way you spoke about your babies I'd so much respect for you she's a mama they're everything they really are it but it's rare to hear I guess but I don't understand why it is yeah you know like why have kids if you're not going to mother them like what you know well that's something i love about just too is for how ambitious

she is and everything that she you know puts her hands in like coming home being with the kids cooking a meal having like that bedtime is like so important you know i guess the family the family life is so important and in like i guess the culture that we live in sometimes it's easier to find someone to help do things for you and luckily we have our family in town but i don't know if that would say easier like well say people people have kids but then they have someone else raising us that that would give me anxiety but i think going back to your question earlier if i enjoy dancing the stars i think that i had a hard time enjoying dancing the stars not because of dancing the stars but because i i like exhausted myself i killed myself because of

you know, trying to do both and give it my absolute best. As soon as Dancing and Stars was over Monday nights, I was getting on a red eye and flying all night long so I could wake up with the kids and then be with the kids and then be exhausted and dead from the red eye. You know how it takes forever to recover from that

and then going to rehearsals. And then as soon as rehearsals over, I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, I got to go, I got to pick Fabi up from gymnastics and I got to make dinner tonight. And it just never stopped and then I'm leaving, you know, at Saturday. morning on that 6 a.m. flight to get so I could do the the blocking, camera blocking. And then, I mean, it was just like, for seven weeks I did that. And I just ran myself to the ground. And I think

I did not totally allow myself to enjoy it because I was just so worried about the kids all the time and stressed. And like, that was my main focus. And I remember Alan, you know, who I adore. And he's like a brother to me. but he's, you know, he knew that I was struggling with it. He's like, you, this is hard because of the travel. Like, if you were here and you just sort of stayed here, it wouldn't be so hard on your body. But, like, he was riding with me to gymnastics to pick up Vivian every single day. I mean, it was just a lot.

He saw it. He knew. I'm going to ask you a question. Okay. What's your advice for Vivi? Oh, gosh. I need to know. It's probably not.

But give me good advice. I know. I know. For those listening, Jessie and Eric have a daughter who's big time in the gymnastics. Good. From everything.

I know nothing. Yeah, she's great. Very good little gymnasts. I've even heard it from other coaches around the city that she's very good. I would say point blank if you're looking at like professional athletics. It's her dream.

It's her dream. But in professional athletics, there's no one way to get there. And there's no guarantee. to get there with the Olympics with NFL with even like D1 scholarships worlds have to align yeah but I think the overarching majority of kids who make it successful in gymnastics are the ones that love it and I think the the greatest gift my coach and my parents ever gave me in my sport that is very serious and it's very taxing and it's very um terrifying and dangerous and all like all of that is

they encouraged more than anything my elite level coach that i needed to be a kid yeah so they would pull me from gymnastics some days to go to school dances or to play hooky and go shopping and my mom and dad would tirelessly ask me every single day are you sure you want to do this because like i miss my kid and I want her to be home instead of go to gymnastics and every single day of my career as annoying as it was that my coaches were like almost holding me back a little bit it reminded me every day that it was my decision and it motivated me even more to go back and there were a couple times that I wanted to quit and I said it and I felt so free to be able to say that to my parents my coach and they never blinked they're like great what are we doing next and it was like oh crap

like you're fine at this and I would be gone from the gym two days and I go back that just trying to keep that passion like you saying that makes me want to pat each other on the back because that is what we do we do let her miss it sometimes

we do not let her she didn't go the one Thursday night that she had gymnastics because they had a poetry reading that night at the school called poetry cafe coincidentally her poem was called gymnastics fantastic but that is what we do and we don't and I ask her every day there's days where she's like I don't want to go

I don't feel good I'm tired I'm like then we're not going to go today whatever you want you want to watch a movie let's watch a movie and relax let's rest our body so we definitely it makes me feel good you saying that because we that is what we do and I think him playing in the NFL but I'll say she also like comes up from school is like I'm ready to go the gym yeah I want to go now she'll get there an hour early because she wants to get there and so she has that that drive and however long it lasts, whether it's for the next five years, the next 15 years, like it's obviously in her control, which I think is super important for any kid doing any sports.

Because what I worry about is the specialization now, like in sports. Like these kids are getting burnt out. And I'm someone who grew up in like multi-sports, like is the only way because you learn skills that transfer over. But like you get burnt out. Like doing one sport, like gymnastics is a specialized sport. And like you put your heart and soul and you put hours into it. You know, you just got to be smart with it.

And obviously your family and the structure you had was super important to just allowing you to be in your own space and do that as we're trying to create that for. I do think the one thing that I always try to teach too, and that I've seen over the years, something to remember about gymnastics is unlike track and field swimming, these sports where, like, you're crossing a finish line to know if you're the best. Gymnastics is subjective and it's all based on approval. So remembering that at Vib's age, in all the girls that are going there,

they're basically trying to earn approval of people. So what I've seen in the sport is you see these kids forget why they started because they're so desperate for a coach to be like, you're good. Because there's no way for them to know unless they get that good score or whatever. So putting it back on her every day and being like, are you sure this is for you? Totally. Is the most important. Yeah, it's out of a doubt in my girl's mind.

She's in it. I told you, she said 2032. She's going to Brisbane. Perfect. She's done. Book your flights. Tickets. You don't need tickets.

You've already done it. They'll let you on. What's next for you guys? What are you excited about? You can talk about Kittnish. Well, next, we're going to pick the kids up from school in about 30 minutes. Next, next. No, what's next is we're continuing to grow Kittnish.

And I just, every day, I pinched myself. yesterday we put up this thing because it was international women's day and our team put together all of our accomplishments and I was just like damn from an outsider looking at I'm like we really have done it man like I'm I never stop and smell the roses I'm always like hustling and bustling every day and like what can we do next and what's not working what is working and it was really nice for just a moment of peace to see it in front of me and think like we really have done this like I'm proud of us this is not just some little fun hobby this is a real business that we've created that is growing and having success and I'm proud of it.

And so I think for me, it is keeping Ketnish growing and going to that next level, which I believe is going to happen this year. When I say next level, it's just what happens when your business gets big enough where you just take it to the next level. That's awesome. You know what I'm saying. But so excited about that. And we have some other projects that we've got going on as well.

How old is Kittnish? So I always had it as like a capsule partnership before for a few years. But I would say it truly became what it is in 2019 when I opened up the brick and mortar in Nashville. And as soon as, and I didn't have online anymore at that point. And so as soon as that took off, I mean, it exploded in the Gulch. It opened my eyes going, maybe we should put this back online. And so I bought, it was mine 100%. and I had bought it from these existing partners.

And it wasn't really what it was then, but opened it in that September of 2019. And so some of the question of 2019. For those coming to Nashville, go check out Kittnish in the Gulch right downtown. How many other cities now? So it's four total now. That's awesome.

Crazy. What about you, E? E. Well, I've been enjoying just honestly coaching the kids. It's been kind of like super fun for me just to be a part of soccer, football, basketball, baseball. And with that, obviously, the Kittner's things. And we got some other projects that we're working on.

Like she said, real estate is a passion of mine. I love real estate. And Nashville's a good place to be living right now with real estate. And really, I think I'm kind of in like that chapter in my life where I'm just kind of learning different things and figuring out where my interest lies. I mean, I love, like, just getting out there and flew around the garden. Like, I'm lucky enough to have that time to, like, learn about gardening and have the chickens and, you know, do the coaching with the kids and then explore, you know, with some people in the financial world.

That's something I'm interested in. So kind of like this phase of learning right now in my life while, you know, being supportive of everything she's doing is where I'm at. I'm excited for you. Yeah. I don't think shooting competitions is in your future, though. Definitely not. You have to come this year. Did you?

Did you? Did you tell you that I dominated him in this Green Beret shooting competition? I wasn't invited. You're invited. You are invited. Well, listen, I think I was like third or fourth place now. He did well. Yeah, I wasn't at the bottom of the big of him.

I bombed. Yeah. I didn't come last. But I won. I mean, you won by a stretch. He's won three years in a row. Dang. No, I lost last year.

You got some targets out there? I'd be thrown. Anyway, I know you guys have to go pick up the kids. But let me say this. You said this is like your second podcast interview. You don't really get it. I really think that people listening will pull out little bits of wisdom and like inspiration from you guys. So keep sharing it.

I think I don't like podcasts because I always say like I don't know what's going to come out of my mouth. And it always ends up as a headline and it makes the pit in my stomach. So I just, like, have definitely been more guarded. I don't do interviews or a lot of stuff anymore. But I'm always just like, oh, no. We've got great intentions here. Don't worry. Oh, for sure.

But you know, in our business, out of all these years, there's always something. And I, like, have learned a lot of lessons. I mean, I remember them being interviewed. I'm like, how's Eric handling being with the Jets? I was like, oh, man, you know, they're losing a lot. He's depressed. You know, it sucks. But he'll be all right.

Eric Decker of the New York Jets is depressed. And I'm like, oh, no, I just didn't know. And it was so nonchalant. I'm like, yeah, he's depressed. It's, you know, it's hard to go from a Super Bowl team to nod, but he's figuring it out. That's one reason why you stay off socials and don't read publications because all is his depressing news. But you guys all are so easy to talk to and I can see why it's so successful. Thanks for having us on.

I'm excited for our project and the future of our friendships. That's right.