Couple Things with Shawn and Andrew - 25 Chuck + Kasi Wicks

Episode Date: June 17, 2020

This week, in episode 25 of couple things with shawn and andrew, we chat with some of our best friends, Chuck & Kasi Wicks. These two got married last summer and have been really enjoying their time together. They speak with us today about how they’ve been navigating marriage, and they have some VERY special news to share with us…. make sure to listen to the whole episode to see what they have to say! We’re really excited to bring you this episode and share with you all of the great advice they have to offer. Without further ado, Chuck and Kasi Wicks. If you want to follow Chuck and Kasi, you can find them on instagram as @chuckwicks and @kasirosa. Also be sure to check out Chucks website for some new music coming SOON! https://chuckwicks.com/ If you haven't yet, please rate and subscribe to the show to hear more! And if you have suggestions/recommendations for the show, send us your ideas in a video format - we might just choose yours! Email us at [e-mail]. We are supported by the following AMAZING companies! Make sure to check them out using our link below! Best Fiends! Download Best Fiends FREE on the Apple App Store or Google Play. That’s FRIENDS without the R – Best Fiends! Noom! Sign up for your trial today at https://www.noom.com/COUPLE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

One of the most important things that you could ever want in someone is to see them be selfless and to see them take care of someone to the fullest. One thing a guy is never going to come out and just say is, like, I got a low sperm count. Like, it's just something you just don't want to say. It's not a conversation starter. How you doing? Low sperm count. Your name?

Morning. Welcome back to Couple Things with Sean and Andrew. A podcast all about couples and the things they go through. Today we sit down with one of Sean's long-term friends. You've known this guy for how many years? Man, 13. 13 years. Met him on Dancing with the Stars. Yes. He was Sean's first friend when she moved to Nashville, which side note, Sean did move to Nashville explicitly for me. I did. But then I knew nobody here except for my friend. That's right. And I had to hang out with him all day while Andrew was in college. So it's fun. This guy is one of the most romantic people I know. And we've been through him through his whole dating process. And just last year he got married to love his life. We're talking about Chuck Wicks and Cassie Rosa Wicks. Yeah. So met Chuck Wicks on Dancing with the Stars. He very quickly became like my big brother when we were on there and watched out for me. it came to anything that happened on the show. But we've just kind of seen his whole relationship evolve over our I have for the past 13 years.

I've seen him go in and out of relationships and have good ones and hard ones. And he's just always been that friend that has talked to both of us now about everything. So seeing him finally find the love of his life and just the person he was meant for is so cool. So this episode is super juicy. We talk about a ton of different things, him going. You know, through 36 years of his life looking for the one and finding them. We talk about infertility, which was an very interesting topic between the two of them. Male infertility.

Male infertility, yes. And he was very vulnerable and open talking about this. We then talk about blended families because Cassie was actually married before Chuck. She adopted two girls. And then she had a little girl of her own with her ex-husband, which was a really great conversation. I just feel like there's a lot of really good topics we covered about relationships and how they can get complicated, but everybody does relationships differently. And whatever works for you works for you and it's beautiful.

Yeah, we got deep pretty quickly. And actually exciting news. So we recorded this podcast like maybe a month and a half ago. And they had just recently found out that they were pregnant. And so they have struggled, they have tried to get pregnant. They struggled with it. and they have successfully been pregnant now for 15 weeks, is that right? 15 weeks.

And it was just announced today. I know, People Magazine. That's right. They have like a centerfold and all the beautiful pictures. She looks like an absolute goddess. But anyways, this is a really cool interview. We hope you guys love it as much as we do and as much as we loved interviewing them. Yeah.

And I hope you can take something away from it. Yeah. And to give you a little more background on Chuck and Cassie, Chuck is a country musician. He's written a lot of fantastic songs, including Stealing Cinderella, which will link that down below. He's also writing new music and potentially going on tour again, which will be awesome. Yeah, he hosted a nationally syndicated radio show. So the guy's like deep in the country music scene, which fits his marriage to Cassie Rosowicz as he is, she is Jason Aldean's sister. That's right.

So anyway, they're a really fun couple. I think you guys will love them. And we're excited to bring them to you. If you guys want to find out more about Chuck and Cassie, you could find their information in the show notes down below. And before we get started, please give the show a subscription and rating on whatever platform you're listening to. Let's roll into it with Chuck and Cassie. Here's my question for these two. You guys are awkwardly like touching boots.

I know. Chuck's, me sitting on the same couch as Chuck is only going to, this is going to be awkward the next hour. That's going to be great. But how long have you two known each other? 2009 11 years Yeah 2009

Yep 2009 Wow That's right That's crazy Yeah I hope that was in your stomach Probably I haven't had lunch yet So lunch was three hours ago

Yeah so we met on Dancing with the Stars For people listening Yeah I was 16 years old You were? Yeah Geez It's right after the Olympics

True so yeah she now Sean's the only and Chuck was 35 no I was 11 years jaded that I was I was 29 28 29 yeah so Sean is the only friend I kept from Dancing with the Stars okay wow do you know because you need so many I don't know if that's the thing to brag about out of all the people I am no longer friends with any of you nobody nobody likes me. You know what? It's complicated.

It's complicated. No, I mean, you have all those contestants. Yeah. And you become friends with all of them, essentially, the ones that last more than a week. Who else was on your season? Denise Richards was the first one to get the boot, right? Remember? Yeah.

And then Holly Madison. Steve Wozniak. Steve Wozniak. Lawrence Taylor. Wow. Ty. Ty Murray. Yeah.

Gio Morini. Melissa Rycro. Yep Lil Kim Little Kim Little Kim used to call me Chuckie I don't know who that is

She's like Chuckie You know Yes you do Yeah He's Lil Kim I don't know who Look at One of the best rappers

Of all time Lil Kim Lil Kim She was one of the original You might have had one of her posters I don't know what we're talking about

You think you had Lilken's posters I mean Maybe not that far I'm going to stretch it that far It's just fun Because he's no she is Who else was on?

Stevo. Steveo. He was. He's amazing. I actually kept in touch with Steveau. I wish I would have kept in touch. I was never friends with him on the show. He was always scared of him.

He would, like, come through Des Moines after the show years later, and he would always take me my mom out for lunch. He's the sweetest guy ever. Yeah. Do you remember when, like, all the jackass guys would come on set. Yeah. And I literally would be so nervous to walk by their trailer. Yeah.

Because I'm like, they're going to, like, hit me in the nuts or something. Like, did someone's going to have? I just think they remember walking on a set one day, and Steve-O was standing on stage. And the cameras weren't rolling. It was just for the heck of it. And his partner, Lacey, swimmer, walks up and staples just a plain piece of paper to his chest and then his head. What? That's why you don't, that's why you don't walk in.

I'm telling you. That's why you weren't friends with him. That's what I'm like, I don't need to be friends with these guys. I'll watch them on TV all day and laugh. Jeez. But do you not want to be friends? It's bad for your health. Yes.

Is this your first interview as a married couple? Oh, we did one from a magazine. Dang it, babe. For people magazine? No. Well, you guys had this spread in people? We got a little spread on people. It was beautiful.

Your wedding was incredibly beautiful. Thank you. We just got our wedding video back. Oh. Awesome. Since you guys missed it, you can watch the video. I'm sorry. I was like eight months pregnant.

That's okay. Dang. You were worried it. I heard it was so fond. She was worried a mosquito was going to bite her or something. I mean, everyone put the fear of God in you for it. I was like, okay. Trust me, if she was eight months pregnant, would you have gone?

I would have been like, we're staying right here at the house. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. I get it. Okay, how'd you guys meet? In a bar? True. So I've known, I knew about Cassie forever because she's just so stunning.

when she walks into a room. Like she, and she has this, like, her hair is so, uh, it's just memorable. Like when she walks into her room,

you're like, who's the girl with the curly hair? Like it's this, it just sticks out, uh, in the best way possible. And I, we were in Boston,

um, both of us because her brother, uh, Jason Aldean was playing Fenway Park. And, um, I did not know she was Jason Aldean's sister. So I never put the two together.

So I'm like, why am, why do I keep seeing this girl at Jason's? is she like a super fan like what was happening so i would see her again and something triggered i'm like okay maybe there's something going on here so it was enough to for me to like pursue it a little more i'm like okay maybe i need to check into this so when i get back to nashville i get on instagram and i go i'm to look up, I'm going to look, find Brittany Aldean's Instagram, and I'm going to find her in one of the pictures

and see what her name is, the tag, and I find it. And I'm like, the whole time I'm thinking this is Brittany Aldean's sister. I still did not think that Jason even had a sister. So, because he never brought her up. I mean, he just wasn't, we were never in that scenario for her to be brought up when we were hanging out. So I find her, and I did all my research. You Instagram stalked her.

A 1,000 percent. I'm about to say, Cassie, at what point when you were bumping into him at all these events where you're like, oh, this guy's, this guy's following me around, you know. Well, it was always like industry events. So I felt like he was supposed to be there. So, but obviously I knew who he was. Like, we had never met or anything, but I knew Chuck. And so.

Chuck Wicks. Chuck Wicks. But, you know, it wasn't weird. Like, I was married at the time. So it was one of those scenes, like you know who's around, but you just don't really. Chuck, did you go through and like every former picture on her Instagram? No, so this is what I did. It was very confusing for me because I'm, you know, I see her.

I'm like, she's, you know, she's super young, super hot. I'm like, does she have three kids? So I was like, there's no way these, there's no way these two are kids because they're like 20 and 19 or like they're like they look over 18 and she doesn't look, you know, over 30 to me. I'm just like, these are kids. So, and it's funny now that I know the real, the story behind it, at the time I was super confused. And I was like, well, the young one, Avery, that's got, that's definitely her child. But did she have kids when she was like 15?

I was like trying to figure it out. And so I- And the story being that I was married before. And so I adopted my older two when they were five and six. So, yeah, so they are closer in age, you know, they're not that far off. have been very young. Very young. So I didn't like every photo, but I put the feelers out.

Once I knew that she was, I figured out that she was divorced and she was sick. So you liked how many of them? So I went to a one that she was very, he didn't even like it. Or you probably liked it, but more importantly, he commented. Very specific. Very specific. He went really. I'm curious to know Chuck's game.

So this is my game. This was my game. I commented publicly. Publicly. Not in the DM. Not in the DM. So everyone could see it. Okay.

So I wasn't being shady. Do you remember what you commented? It was something about, she was at Top Golf. Okay. And she was swinging in high heels and jeans. And I commented on your swing. Yeah. I was like, that's pretty impressive to do that in high heels.

And I knew if she, like, commented back or hit me back, I was in. I was in. I did. And you did. And then that's what we started. And then once we did that so everyone could see it, I would do a couple more, and then I, then we started going DM, and then, we did not DM. A hundred percent. I have the DMs.

He's saying before we met? Yes. Oh, maybe we did. You're right. I think I'm more commented on your stories. I guess, okay. Yeah, so that would go to my DM. All right, all right, right.

So we, uh, we had not met in person yet, but it was getting to that point where somebody's, someone's got to say, let's connect, let's go, have a drink or whatever. So I had met friends of mine that were out of town. They came in to see a concert or something. And he goes, we're going downtown, meet us at Whiskey Row, which is a Dirk's bar. I said, all right, I don't feel like it. But yes, we get there.

And Ann walks in. I had been to brunch with my girlfriend. So I had already had a few drinks at this point. And then my best friend, she's from out of town. So she was like, just one more place. Let's just go see. we had a friend that was actually playing at Whiskey Row. And it was like, no, I need to go home, have work tomorrow.

And she's like, just for a little bit, and all of them were like, no, you have to go. My sister-in-law, everybody. So Amory and I go to Whiskey Row. And here we walk. She goes, let's just see what's happening upstairs. Out of all the bars downtown, she walks into this one. Yeah. We had not been on a date yet.

We had not set a date yet. She walks in. She looks at me like, what are you doing here? I'm like, what are you doing here? She goes, did you get my, she goes, did you get my, DM. I'm like, no, I haven't got it. I open up the DM in front of her, because now you can tell if you've looked at it or not, I open it up in front of her and it literally says, hey, I'm going downtown. Do you want to meet up? Oh, funny. Yeah. And we literally just walked in. He was

already there, but I walked into where he was. So we were, we were in Whiskey Row from 1, 2 o'clock in the afternoon till 11.30. What? On a Sunday night. On a Sunday. Really nice. So that, and I'm, and I asked her, I asked her on a date, an official date while we were there in that 10-hour span. And she goes, because how long were you married before 10, 10 years? She goes, she goes, I'm not really good at this dating thing. And I'm like, well, do you want to go to dinner Friday night? She goes, yeah, I go, I think that's how it works. I think we're okay.

So that's kind of how it all started. Did you wear your whiskey row hat today as a, to pay out of mention? No, I just like it. Now that you say it, yes. It's a cool hat. Thank you. I can get you on. Go ahead.

No. You were married for 10 years before you met Chuck. Ten years. Had adopted two kids and had one. I was right out of college, too. So I was 21 when I got together with my ex, and I had actually graduated a year early from college. Wow. So I was super young, and, you know, we got together.

He actually, at the time, was my brother's best friend. This was kind of just, I don't know, I was planning on moving to L.A. actually, and then I got kind of chickened out, and then we met. And so we ended up together. And yep, I, we got married a year later, and I adopted Maddie and McKenzie. And so they were five and six, and I was 21 at the time. So it was like immediately became mom. Their birth mom had died of breast cancer at 30. So, you know, I'm mom to them. I'm the only one that they'll, like, really remember. Obviously, they know who their mom is. And, you know, we've always talked about her and she's close, or they were close with her family. But, yeah, so I was super young and

then married for 10 years. She grew up a lot. And I'd be jumping ahead in the story and you don't have to answer any of these questions. I'm curious. So 21, you jump into having a five and a six year old. Kind of full circle. You get married to Chuck gets married to you. And you jump in having three kids. Yeah. Did you, like, was there words of wisdom or like, how do you handle that? It's like blended families twice, but. It's very different situations, though.

So I didn't have anybody else to answer to. So, you know, their mother had passed away. So I didn't have that other person that we have to see all the time or that had to, you know, get approval from. Like, I just stepped in and I just did what I thought was best as mom. Um, my ex-husband, um, at the time, he worked out of town during the week. So it was truly just me and the girls and I just like made it up as I went along. But I always wanted to be a mom. So that situation was a lot different than Chuck. He has to, you know, and I might be

speaking for you. I don't mean to, but, you know, we do have an ex that we have, we see all the time. So it's a little good. I mean, it's good that, yeah, you know, their dad is definitely involved in their lives, which is great. And he's great at. Um, which is, uh, you know, It's a relief to me because I've, you know, I'm not trying to fill in any shoes. That was my main thing. You know, I actually talked to their dad about that. I'm like, listen, I'm not here to replace you. I'm here to support you and to support the family that you guys have together and the kids.

And I will love them as if they are my own. And it was, that was a big moment, actually, for the two of us. And they did that on their own. So that was kind of cool, too. It's awesome for them to do that. Yeah. So it's an interesting dynamic for sure. But the one thing that I love about Cassie is that and made me fall in love with her even more is that she is a great mom.

Like watching a woman be a good mother is one of the, it's one of the most important things that you could ever want in someone is to see them be selfless and to see them take care of someone. to the fullest. I mean, to where, like, nothing else around. Nothing else matters. It's all about the kids, and it's all about their health and all about what they want.

And it taught me a lot. I've never been, I was so selfish. And I think being in the entertainment industry and being a gymnast, being a football player, like, you have to be selfish. 100%.

And you have to succeed in what you want. want to do and you have to see it happen for yourself before you can be selfless, truly selfless and understand what it means and really give your all. So to see her be so selfless and be such a great mom was one of the most was the biggest selling point, if you will. I'm like she's the one. Dude, I feel like from from a personal standpoint seeing Sean be a mom and like she was made to do that. You know what I'm saying? She's made to do a ton of things. But one of those things is to be a mom, that's like the most fulfilling thing to me is like when she holds Drew and like giggles with Drew. I'm like, oh, that's the freaking best right there. Like it doesn't get any better than that. When you guys had Drew, like immediately. Isn't it funny? Yeah. It's like a switch happens. Like, you know, we want to have our own child for sure. But walking into a situation where there is, there are three girls.

You're outnumbered. I am very outnumbered. And I love it. But to be a part of that and to see it all unfold is like so rewarding in so many ways that you could never even imagine until it happens. It is crazy. We said that as soon as we had Drew, it's literally, it changes in an instant. The first time you hold your kid, nothing else in the world matters. Can I ask you, though?

Because I was going to say before this thought that, the courage it takes to adopt kids and the courage that you had walking into that situation, I feel like, what amazing people, both of you are, to just, like, assume that responsibility. You know what I'm saying? Like, even my peer group, it's like, oh, like, marriage is still too much to cope with. Right. Much less adopting, when you were 21. I know.

What? I just, like, I immediately just fell in love with them so hard, though. And, you know, because my ex was such a close friend to my brothers, I actually knew the girls. I was always in college for the most part. So I wasn't around everybody as much at the time. But, like, I knew them as babies. So it's, you know, like I've known them forever since they were born. Essentially, I haven't been around them that whole time, you know, all the time.

So did you hold them as babies? Like, I can't remember as a baby baby, but definitely as toddlers. I can remember them coming to my parents' house and I remember being like I want kids like that and I had told my mom that I'm like they're the cutest they were 13 months apart

they look like twins and like the best manners just so sweet and like beautiful and I'm like yep at the time I had said I wanted a daughter named McKinsey because she was so cute and I'm like yep

that's what my kid's name will be and then it's just so weird I mean like never in a million years at the time would I have thought my life would have come around to me being their mom. But, I mean, I was probably, I was in high school and then into college during those periods. So, yeah. So I love them already, you know, in a sense. And then it just, like, it was so easy.

And like I said, I just always wanted to be a mom. Like, since I was little, that's just like, I knew that that was something I had to do in life. And so I was, I mean, I was their mom alone for several years before. even had my own child. So it was just, and I'm glad, I'm kind of glad that it worked out that way because it let me bond with them. And then I got to experience, you know, having my own as well, but it's cool because they're all so close to. And then hopefully, you know, we get to do the same. And I can't even wait for him to be a dad to his own child. Like he does so great as a stepdad. And he's, you know, I go to him now for advice. I'm like, how should we handle this situation? And like,

One time, this is funny, but, you know, we've been talking about babies a lot, so Avery's been asking a lot of questions, you know? And so we're like in our closet. And she, we're explaining the sperm and the egg and this and that. And Chuck just jumps right in and like really starts going for it. And I'm like, sweating. What is he doing? Oh my gosh. Take a seat, Avery. But he was so, like, scientific about it. And so he handled it so well. But I mean, in the moment I was panicking, and I'm like, okay, well, that was good, okay, but I didn't know what was going to come out. But so, like, different situations.

He definitely surprises me, but he just, like, knows the right words to say to them and make them feel comfortable and not, you know, stupid for asking the question. And so, but he goes through all the details. So, yeah, it's great. I could not imagine, because, you know, Maddie McKenzie are both in college. So, you know, we see them in the summertime. It's so weird. In the summertime, I'll come home.

there's like college parties at the house. And I'm like, just a ton of girls in the pool. Hi, hi, girls. Stepdad, Tom. It's so strange, but it's awesome. But I could not imagine not having Avery in the house. When Avery is like with her dad on like every other,

it's every other weekend. And when she's gone, we feel it. Like it's one of those things. Like she adds so much dynamic and love. to the house it our house is full of like laughter and constant showmanship she's like a walking show everywhere everything every like it's a competition or show and you have to watch her and judge her and yeah and so when she's not there a lot of times we'll try to book like travel during the weekends that we don't have her if it's you know things that we want to do together but um when when we're at home

and she's not there. We're just like, what in the world? It's so quiet and I don't know. So you've become mom to now three girls and then start dating again. Yeah. How do you even begin finding, like we're trying to find a babysitter and I don't trust anybody remotely enough to watch Drew. How do you go into dating and trying to find a guy who will be a potential, not take over

as father, but father figure. year for your girls. You know, I stressed about that for a long time because I was separated for a long time before I got divorce and I did not date anybody during that period. So it was a year of like truly just by myself and I did not think it was going to be possible because I just felt like I was going to be so particular on who I let around my kids and all of that. And so, you know, luckily we met early on and you know, knowing Chuck,

for so long, you know, it's an immediate, like, you know, this is a good person. And, like, that was my, I guess my biggest fear would, was that somebody wouldn't, like, treat me or my girls, you know, with respect and love, like, the way I wanted it to be. And so, I mean, it was so early on that I just knew, like, and what everybody says about Chuck, before I even really, you know, got to know him myself, you ask anybody in Nashville and they're like, he's the best guy. He's such a good guy. Everybody in town loves him, because he is. A lot of them say he has such a good heart. You need more leg day, though. You need more leg day. That's true. It doesn't matter. I could do legs every day. But, you know, so his heart, like immediately

I saw that and, you know, kind of started letting my guard down a little bit. And then I will say, though, she was, I met Maddie McKenzie pretty quick. Yeah, but they were in college already, you know. But how about Avery? But she was very, it took a minute to me, Avery. It took a minute to me, Avery. It took a minute to me Avery. Yeah. Well, and, you know.

And how old is Avery just? So she just turned nine. Okay. It would have been, she was still seven. Yeah. Yeah. And so, and, you know, she's just, she's very aware of everything that's happening, you know, with my divorce. And, you know, us being by herself at our house.

And then, you know, if I was going to start dating someone, she's not an idiot. Like, I can't just be like, oh, yeah, this is my friend. all the time. So I was very particular about that. So we waited for a little while, but I mean, he hit it off with Maddie and McKenzie like so easily. They're all so funny. And so their humor is just like immediate. And they just all start bantering. And I'm just there for the laughs. And then I don't even, I can't really remember exactly like how far in he met Avery. But, you know, that was easy too. She immediately, I think, did you bring your dogs the first time? Using the dogs to win her over?

Yeah, I will, I don't know if that's how it happened. I don't remember. But I will say, I was nervous to meet Avery. I mean, I mean, because. I don't think you had a dog. Nash wants to say hi. Come here, now. Speaking of dogs, we have a, so remember when I asked you,

so I asked Sean to watch Cooper and Duke. Oh, geez. Oh, yeah. Have you heard this story? I think so. And Nash. And you had just gotten. Yeah, Nash was still a puppy.

And we, because we lived like, it was right outside of Vanderbilt. And we lived, like, literally two blocks away. So I could walk over there if I wanted to. But I never really wanted to. I would drive, that's how it sounded. So I go, can you watch Cooper and Duke? I go go out of town. Are you in town?

Because we were all, between the two of us, someone was out of town. And she goes, oh, actually, I can. So I bring Cooper and Duke over. And I think you might, called me or something she goes you're not going to believe what happened i didn't i didn't tell you until you got back into town because i didn't like want you freaking out but they came over nash was a puppy you left nash got on our couch marked his territory on every inch of our couch every inch shana just bought that couch just bought it and i like hyperventilate oh i would

so then i think you came over you watched cooper and Duke. Well, I took Nash to a border. And I was like, I just can't even deal with this right now. Oh, I remember that. I felt horrible because she had to pay, she's watching my dogs and she had to pay to have her dog. Okay, I have to preface this was, I love dogs more than anything in the world. But it was for Nash's own safety that I took him to the border because it costs, it costs more than the couch to get that couch cleaned. I was just, I was so mad at him as a puppy. It wasn't Cooper and Duke's fault. True.

Kind of. So that's what's, that's interesting. We have three dogs, Cooper Duke and Gunner. And Gunner's a lab, a Vesla lab. And then Cooper and Duke are Cavalier King Charles, which you guys know. And I knew, like, I love my, I love Cooper and Duke. Like, they are my biological children. Oh, okay.

Wow. So when she said, hey, do you want to bring Cooper and Duke over to the house? I'm like, yes, I do. Because you're not, she's not the biggest dog person. I would say I'm not a dog person. Really? We have dogs. She got attacked when she was small.

So there's a reason for it. And the dog that attacked her was a Cocker Spaniel. Oh, no. Which looks exactly. Like, oh, no. So I could see why she was a little hesitant, but. And your dogs are loud. That's, they're really loud.

They're amazing. They're vocal. They have moments. They're vocal. We're trying to, I was like, there's got to be something. We can train them, right? Like, we have to. So you think you're a lot as well?

And so I go, Chuck, you know they don't get a treat every time they bark. Like, that is why they, they don't bark with me. If he's not in the house, it is quiet and peaceful. And then he walks in and it. They're on to me. Cooper, Duke. if we bark, we'll get a treat. Every time.

They're just vocal. It's okay. Yeah. Vocal. It's not very often I hear someone say they're not a dog person. You know, I respect. I know. It's crazy.

I think if they didn't shed. Yeah. That's a big thing for me. And in the loudness. Well, let me clarify for anybody that's watching. It's not like, or listening, it's not like she sees a dog and she goes, get out of here. No. Yeah.

No, she'll love on them. She's all about it. She just doesn't like the shedding or she is a neat person. I didn't grow up with dogs either. So my dad never let us have dogs growing up. So, like, I think I just took on his traits of. It's okay. We get it.

We argued more about him than anything in our relationship so far. Oh, okay. Because I was a dog person. I'm a dog person, too. But she just treats it like he's her actually child. And then you have a kid and it'll change us. Yeah. Which, I mean, I can't out late.

It sounds like Cassie's a pretty neat and tidy person, is she? 1,000%. Yeah. Yeah. You guys should actually... How did that work out, Cassie? It's still working out. He's getting so good.

I think she knows you. I have made huge strides. I feel like you're pretty clean. I will. Thank you. Like, when I'm done eating now... Did you ever go to his condo? Yeah, it was like pretty clean.

Thank you. There's, okay, there's different standards. Andrew's not clean either. So... Dude. I'm offended. When we first started doing, I would literally come with, like, my cleaning supplies in a thing.

And I would, like, clean the shower. I'm cleaning the kitchen. Like, I'm not eating anything out of here until it's all been washed. Yeah. No. I mean, you don't feel that way. You guys. So your general standard of cleanliness is just out of different.

We have a lower standard. Yeah. I don't wear a hazmat suit to, like, clean off the toilet and every other square into the house. But I feel like, I feel like I keep it pretty. Yeah, pretty. I feel like if there's no pee on the seat, I'm good. Exactly.

But if it gets around and then that's fine. It's just if it's not on the seat. Yeah, you just put shoes on. Oh, my God. And just smearing around the rest of it. Oh, my God. And everybody tuned up. It messes with like my mental state.

Same. Things aren't in order. Like, I feel like my life is out of order, you know? And so are you hearing this thing? I'm not typically, I'm not like an O.C. type person, but I just need it to be clean. Like, I just, I don't know. If I'm in a bad mood, I start cleaning and he gets, like, anxious.

It's what she does. I know she's mad at me when she's, like, not talking to me. It's because of the house, like, if I'm slightly upset and the house is not in order, there's no coming back down. That was literally me yesterday. I was like, I can't do this all by myself. And then you have to clean because it's the only thing you can control. I'm like, go take Avery to practice.

I'm going to fold my laundry. which is all of the laundry pretty much. That way you don't have to worry about my stuff if you get back. And he is really good about if I do freak out, he's like, okay, okay. And then he starts, he knows what needs to be done. He just doesn't normally do it on his own all the time. But once he starts figuring out, I'm freaking out, he's like, okay, I'm going to do this now. And I'm going to put the dishes up.

I'm going to do. I'm still in that zone. I don't know if you do this. But I'm still in the zone that if I do something. you better appreciate it no if I clean if I do the dishes or if I vacuum I'm like vacuum today what's up and I did the dishes check that if only we could make a list every day but it goes both ways though it does go both ways it does go both ways I am a big believer that in a relationship even like a bad one that certain things go unappreciated a lot of things do like I like I made a big

run to the dump the other day and took a big load of trash over there that it wasn't going to get done unless I did it. Exactly. Yes. What's up? Okay. I'm curious. I'm curious. Everybody's got the lane. Let's kill this. What other, are there any other stylistic differences? Because I feel like a lot of people get caught up. It's good to change subject there. I feel like a lot of people get caught up on like stylistic differences. Like, oh, Chuck wears military boots. I don't want to marry Chuck. That's a small example. Or like Chuck's dirtier than I. am, he's not the right fit for me. Did you guys have any other small...

Honestly, I think that's the biggest difference between us is the cleanliness part. And I felt like I can control it enough that I felt comfortable with it. And he has really gotten a lot better. And especially since moving into the house. 100%. But everything else, even how we decorate our house

or vacations we want to go on, even style of clothes, if you want to go there. I mean, I feel like we're very similar, you know, even athletic. Like, we both love sports and all of that kind of thing. Like, we enjoy a lot of the same things, music. So, in so many areas, we're so similar, but cleanliness. I think it's healthy, though, to be different in certain aspects of your life. I mean, you can't be the same in everything.

Is this an excuse for that one thing? We'll just keep that one. If she's better at something, I was very impressed one day. She goes, you know what? Laundry's going to be me. You need to be the trash guy, though. I'm not, trash is not my thing. We did that too.

That's the best thing you can do in a relationship is be honest with each other and say, all right, you know what? I tried to break you, Chuck, but it ain't working. So I'm going to join the team. Let's be clear. I lived a year by myself, though, with all girls. And the trash got taken out. Just fine.

You had no help. We are independent women. You had no help. If it was something big, I might have my dad. But I just routinely, like, took it. Wait, don't you have like a really long driveway? We have a really long driveway. So the trash can is at the end of the drive way.

Do you roll it or do you have a golf cart? Or like a, we have a buggy. And his truck, we can throw it in the back. Dude, I'm with you. Sean has certain expectations because her dad is like, such a boss. Her parents are so both bosses. I'm sorry, I'm trying to work on talking. But she brings those expectations

of like cleanliness or like the chores into our marriage. And I'm like, hey, listen. Probably OCD. Like house is alphabetized, categorized at all times of the night. But she was raised in that. So they did a lot of chores. So why can't you do that, Ben? I'm just saying, I'm just saying it's interesting how that works out

because you still have those expectations. but my dad's like that too that my dad's one he just like does things like he knows how to do everything so I can be like oh can you fix this or do this so Chuck is out like now my dad is teaching Chuck so he's like I need to teach you how to run this pool and so he's like out by the pool showing him everything no it's true her dad has been amazing like I mean we have a great relationship which is so refreshing and there I mean her mom and dad are at the house all the time, which is so my parents live in Florida. So trust me, if they could be at the house all the time, they would be.

But it is cool to have them come over and, you know, have that, like, dad figure being like, all right, this is how you check the pool pump. Come on over here. And then you've got a backwash it right here. Put the hose out in the yard. You don't put the hose out in the yard. I'm like, hold on. All right, hose out in the yard.

Cut the grass on Thursdays. You're one of the most animated person I've ever been around, dude. I do have to say, so you were like complimenting Chuck. I remember the first time Chuck started telling us about you and he invited us to come to a concert that you and Avery came to. Oh, it was his fan club party.

Yeah. And I remember I was so excited. So Andrew stayed back and I went to like meet you and Avery. And I remember when I left. I don't remember if you know that. But I whispered time, I was like, don't you ever mess this up. Oh, I love it. She's amazing.

Oh, yeah. I fell in love with you guys, though. Like, you and April. I was like, oh, my gosh. Yeah, because you've known most of my ex-girlfriend since in the last 11 years. Went to the ringer, dog. Went through the ring. But it made me appreciate and realize what I have today.

And when she approved of you, of Cassie, I was just like, okay. By the way. Don't mess this up, Chuck. I don't know I don't know if I should say You're definitely the only one That I've ever been like Don't ever mess this up

I'll take that You're amazing Thank you Okay so we always ask What's your biggest pet peeve with each other It's kind of what you guys answered already But cleanliness I mean that would be my

Biggest pet peeve That's because you think I'm dirty That's what your pet peeve is That you could be cleaner I'm so glad you brought this back up Sean I know. We'll just make the whole thing about this. How long does this show?

Now, what's your biggest pet peeve with Cassie? My biggest pet peeve would be that she, it compliments what she said, that she lets things like that stress her out and affect her day. Like, like, relax, breathe. Sean's feeling me on this. She's like, okay. No, but you're probably feeling, like, you're like,

you're like, dude, it's just relax. It's okay This is literally the conversation He's like, relax Relax, I'm like No, it's not okay It never works, but relax Never tell

Just chill out Yeah, never tell your Your woman to relax It's the worst thing you could ever say What do you What do you love about each other? Do you want me to go first? You said a couple already, Chuck, I appreciate that

You can't steal any mine Well, then I go first All right, go first. No No, you go first Well, I love the way that we love each other and respect each other because that was something that I feel like, you know, I learned from my past relationships. And so the way that he is so respectful to me and like everyone around us actually, like I love that about him. And then, you know, we like to have fun together too. So he always is making me laugh.

And so I don't know what are you going to say? I feel like we're like writing our redoing our vows. I know. She's my best friend. It's so true, marry your best friend so you can do everything together. And I never thought that was a real thing.

Like, true. And I had been married before. And I just did not think that that was real. I'm like, no, you have to have like your own thing going on. We truly do everything together. Like I almost to the point where if someone asked me to do something, I'm like, cool, I'll go. If you can go, like, if you can't come.

Like, I got asked to go to a bath, like an NBA game. in Memphis, and I'm like, well, how many tickets do you have? Yeah. You're like, who do you want you to bring? I'm like, well, I need to bring Cassie. I mean, like, I just feel like I want to experience everything with her. But the things that I love about you, I love just like that I can be myself around her. Because that's the best person you can be is yourself.

And if you can't be that around the person you love, you're never. really going to be genuinely yourself and happy. So I feel like, you know, we're able to talk through things if we disagree and no one gets upset. I mean, there might be a hot minute where you're just, you're angry or something, but it's never too, it's not the end of the world. Like, we know we're going to talk it out and it's going to be fine and we love each other no matter what.

And I think that's the most refreshing thing. I feel like we like genuinely like each other, like as people, like take the marriage out of it. Like, we just like who each other are, which makes it so easy. Like, you, like, I want to be with him more than even, like, you know, my friends sometimes. Like, he's just one of my closest friends. And we have dance parties. Yeah.

I mean, we have, like, you know. McKinsey and Maddie are way better TikTok dancers than both of you, though. I do have to say. I mean, they're pretty good. I will say. I watched the video. I just. The verdicts it.

For sure. I saw some of the comments on the last TikTok we did. And a lot of them were like, sorry. Cassie, I think Chuck's a better to answer. You have one signature move. He said Maddie McKinsey. Your little foot sweet. Oh, I got an awesome signature move.

Yeah. Actually, my foot's asleep right now. I do. Was there any part of you that was frightened by Cassie having kids or a previous relationship? Shockingly, no. I and I was I've I've I've always been honest about this if someone said before I met her um hey you're gonna you're gonna marry someone that's divorced and has three kids I'm like no not that's not in my not my plan no thanks who else you got but that's when I met her

and I fell in love with her immediately and I fell in love with Maddie and McKenzie and Avery and just knew right away, I was so, what scared me the most was messing it up. Wow. I'm like, because it was more than just her, because there were kids involved, I told myself, I'm like, all right, Chuck, you don't even go down this road unless you mean it. Because I cared too much about her as a person for her just to be another, you know, girl I dated or whatever. Like, if I was going to do this and I was really going to figure it out.

I mean, you still need to be with someone and figure out if it is what it is. But I was never going to lead her on down something that it wasn't. So that was my biggest fear was messing it up because I just knew I loved her so much. And it never, the kids never scared me, which is weird. It's, you know, until you meet your person, you don't even really think about kids. I don't think. I never thought about kids and to walk into a relationship with three.

It was just so easy. Everything was so easy. My kids are pretty cool, though. Like, they're just easy. Like, they... Says every mom. Says every mom. We were having a blast.

In that situation could be, like, really bratty to anybody that I brought in. Like, I know of situations where, you know, especially teenagers and, you know, them being protective of their dad or something, you know, they could have treated him a lot differently. And they're just so. loving and open. And so they accepted him, you know, quickly and he the same. And so, I mean, they do get some props. Like, they're cool. One thousand percent. I mean, that probably could have been a, I mean, if I walked into the situation and, you know, yes, I love her, but every time I was around,

you know, I got three kids hating on me. I mean, that would be hard. That would be a different situation. Yeah, I might be like, I don't know if I need to go through all this, but it was easy. it's kind of cool because you guys just revealed this to me like even though it was somewhat of a unique some would say tough situation in a lot of ways well you guys use that as a way to like shape a healthy environment for your relationship like hey clearly like transparency is going to be on like huge here because there's three kids to take care of and a previous relationship and for you like um setting the expectations that you had walking in the race.

I just feel like instead of getting scared by that, it's cool how you guys were both like, okay, well, like we've learned our lessons and then we're moving to this new relationship as healthier people. It's cool. So hats off. It's cool, too, because we,

I feel like we, it kind of forces you to address things probably more so than you would if there weren't, you know, other people to think of in the family. So having the girls, like, we talk so much about so many different situations or just, I don't know, like... Well, I think when kids are involved, you just, you cut out all the crap.

Yeah. It's like, get to the point. What, you know, what are we doing? What is this? Okay, you love me, I love you. I love your kids. Let's do this. Like, there's no games.

Like, you don't, when kids are involved, you don't play games with someone. Yeah. And I think that was the most refreshing thing. It actually forced me to be honest with myself and where I was and what I wanted. And I think it made me move. I mean, we dated for,

we got married I mean we got engaged nine months we were dating 10 months maybe and then we were married six months later seven months later I mean we both knew yeah there was no why we even talked about like why why get engaged and for five and stay engaged for two years just was it's not that wasn't our play I mean our play was like let's do this okay so you guys are talking about kids More kids Yep Any outside on that front? Yep so we definitely want kids

And it's been an emotional roller coaster For us trying to conceive So we have to go the IVF route And I'll be super honest It's because of me Don't have a lot of swimmers And that was one of the hardest things to hear as a guy is like that you you know you may not be able to have children

because you don't have a lot of you have a very very low sperm count and that's a hard pill swallow because you know and Andrew I know you guys have little Drew and you know you guys rocked it out and didn't have any issues and and it's and well you did I mean you did have Yeah, you did have issues, but I don't think anybody told you had like low sperm count. Right. So it's one of those things where you almost feel like you're not a man. Like you feel very inadequate. And it was really emotional for us.

And I think we were just kind of blindsided by it too because he's so healthy. And, you know, he does all these iron man's and he works out. He eats so clean. Never, you know, done drugs and all this stuff. that and all of a sudden, you know, we got married and we were like immediately, we're ready to have a baby. And then, you know, it was like a month goes by, five months go by. And you're like, okay, something's not right. I just, like, something in my gut told me that something wasn't right. And we had told ourselves we were going to give it a little bit longer, like, till the

beginning of the year. And I was like, let's just go just talk to a doctor. I just want to make sure that we're not just, like, using all this energy and just getting bummed out every month for no reason. And so we go. And then that's when he got that news. And so we were, I mean, I mean, it's devastating to hear that. And it's scary because you don't know what's going to happen. When you, you grow up your whole life being like, I don't want to get anybody pregnant. I know. And then the minute you want something, it's like, oh, this is going to be a big challenge. And it was really weird. I remember getting that news when they told me. And I like to start a sweating. Like I just started immediately sweating in the doctor's office. And it's been an

interesting journey thus far. We are right in the middle of IVF. And so I would go, and I'll just be super honest about everything, I would go and, you know, we would leave samples. I would leave my sample for them to freeze. What type of sample? I'm okay. So I would go. So I would go there, and it was super... They were scared his body would stop producing altogether. So it was that low. They didn't even know if they'd have enough to fertilize eggs. Right. So it was one of the things where it was this, the whole process was just like freaky, like very stressful. And you're like, what do I do today? Do I, you know, I'm going to have orange juice this morning and it'll be healthier and I'll have more sperm. It's just not how it works. So it's just like, I would go there

and I would do a cry, they call it a cryo. And you go there and cry, and you go there and cry, and if, you know, I would go sometimes, and they would go, sorry, we didn't find any sperm today. I mean, we're supposed to have 15 million sperm. Like 40, like a 10, you know, it's just like, you found none. And every time I would get that news, it was more than once, it would be devastating. I'd be like, maybe, I'm like, oh my gosh, maybe, maybe God wanted me to meet her because she already had children, because I wasn't meant to have children. Like it got that deep Where I'm like

This is why God put me in And this is why we met Because I'm not supposed to Well I went back And we would have good news Every once in a while We went back three times Where they're like

Are we found enough sperm to cry out We're going to cry out freeze it And what we're going to do Is we're going to bring You know Cassie back IvyF is such a For those watching and listening

And if you've been through it, it is mind-blowing what they can do. The doctors and what they've done scientifically and everything to be able to make this happen is amazing. We have to prep her body to get ready to, so they can go in and retrieve as many eggs as possible. She's giving shots in her stomach every night. You know, we're sitting around the kitchen table. Avery's watching her and being a part of it. It's just a very emotional process. And so we get to the point where we go.

to the doctor for her to get her egg retrieval. And, you know, in our minds at that moment, we're like, all right, we got three cryos. So if we don't get any sperm on the fresh sample day, because that's what they want to use. When they take her eggs, they want to use a fresh sample that day and then put as many sperm and as many eggs as possible. So we're like, we got this.

So they get 10 eggs out when we were really happy about that. we originally thought, because they do checkups, they're like, well, right now we see four follicles, which basically means four eggs. We're like, we need more than that. Because the ratio on this is like, if you got four eggs, well, two of them are going to be. Like 50% of the eggs will really get fertilized is the number. Well, 50% are going to be good eggs, and then 50% of those are going to fertilize. So really, at that point, we're like, well, if you got four right now, let's get it down to two, and then you only got one. Yeah, we were truly expecting to maybe have two, two to three. So the whole, the whole process has made us a lot more spiritual than we've

been, me personally anyway. Me, I've talked to God more lately than I've ever talked to God. And I have a great relationship with God. But I've, but I've made a, it's made me realize that this is bigger than I am. And we don't get to make decisions. Because we would sit around and be like, all right, we're going to do IVF, we're going to get eight eggs, three of them are going to be girls, and then we're going to have five boys, and then we'll pick the strongest embryo, and we'll put that in. Well, it's funny how we sat around and actually... I mean, we, like, had every scenario. Like, what would we do in this scenario? What would we do here? So here's the scenario that we were given. They got 10 eggs out. They come in, they go,

Hey, Chuck, we didn't find any sperm in your fresh sample. So immediately, I'm like, don't freak out. We got three frozen vials of sperm. They go into the first frozen one, none of them survived. They go into the second one, none of them survived. The doctor that just told me that they didn't find any in the fresh sample goes back to the fresh sample, finds one. They put medicine in the fresh sample. fresh sample to kind of like get them moving and so then they find they say it's like caffeine

yeah basically oh my gosh they go we found one they go so they immediately put that in one egg they go to the last frozen one none of them survived he goes back to the fresh sample that he just told me that we're none in he's he found another one so they found two sperm they put one in each egg so we got two eggs and the rest of my eggs are frozen The remainder of the eight eggs are frozen. So now we wait overnight to see if any of the eggs fertilized. One of them did not. One of them did.

Cool. Now what? Okay. Now you've got to wait five days to make sure it turns into a blastocyte. Which is an embryo. So we wait five days. Which the odds of this happening is so slim. It's like a 50-50 on whether they survive.

to that point. Right. So technically, we had two eggs, go back to the 50% deal. So that means only one of those eggs are really going to be good or fertilized. So there's the one egg, and only one of those are supposed to. So we're like, I don't know. We don't know. We were scared.

So we get the, how we know what's going on is that we call into an answering service, basically. They leave a message for our own personalized answering machine. We hit the do, do, do, do, do, hit one. boom, we hear what they got to say. They go, you got an embryo. So we were, but we're not out of the woods yet, right? Yeah. So now, God bless science, we have what they call genetic testing.

So we chose to do genetic testing. And it just makes sure everything's good and everything's healthy and, you know, an alien's not going to come out. You know, woo. Oh, my gosh. It looked like one of the stuff. So we were like, yes, let's do the genetic. testing. And we wait, that was a long two weeks. It's the longest. We did the same thing.

Yeah. I mean, yeah. Did you do IVF? No, but. But you did genetic. We had markers. Yeah. When I got pregnant that forced us to do genetic testing. And it's the longest two weeks of your life. So we get the genetic, the, or you tell us part. Well, we got that back. And they go, well, she's like, do you want to hear some good news? And I, I, actually wasn't even with Chuck at the time. I was out of town working. So I called him on three-way and then we called the doctor. And so she's like, you want some good news? And we're like, yes. And so she's like, it's healthy. Everything's good. And like all the grades on it on the embryo are awesome. Like they're perfect. May 5, you know, whatever. I didn't know. So they grade the embryos. So the doctor goes, if you would have had five embryos, this is the embryo we would have

shows. Wow. She said, these are the ones that do the best in our lab, so we're so excited about that. And then she goes, do you want to know the sex? And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. We don't want to know yet. And you could tell she was bummed. She was like, oh, okay.

And says, like, is there any way you can write it in an envelope? We really want to be together when we get that news. And she's like, okay. And so she writes in an envelope, and Chuck goes and gets it the next morning. and I like when I picked it up I'm like I was hoping it wasn't one of those thin envelopes where you can see it yeah I'm like I don't die where you're like so I'm like I'm looking down like this and and I couldn't see through I'm like okay good so I put it I have the sex of her baby now in my visor in my truck and it sat there for two days because we wanted

to watch it alone just to two of us because it's kind of been our deal with big moments so we're like we need to do this on our own so we can be in the moment and just be the two of us and never forget it. And so we filmed it, so we have it. And so we can share it when we're ready. And we get the envelope out. And we just slowly open it up. And I had, I saw the, I had seen that it a little bit, and I knew it right away.

And we open it up and flip out because it's a boy. Oh, my gosh. It's unbelievable. And I found out, and I also found out in that moment, when I am genuinely happy, I cry and laugh. He, like, laughed so loud, like a weird laugh. That's what Andrew Day when I, when we had Drew, he just couldn't stop laughing. You're so happy, right? Yeah.

Like, you're just so happy. You just don't know what to do. Like, all the emotions go, whee, and we had all these big plans beforehand. Because, you know, we sat on it for a couple days, so we're like, how are we going to tell everybody? and the family and we'll do like kind of a gender reveal party and we like had all these plans and as soon as we found out as a boy was like I cannot keep this a secret we have to tell everybody like we still obviously everything has to go well so you know I think that's part of it too we're like let's tell everybody that you know that we know will pray for us and like want the best

in this situation for us and um so lots of prayers that everything goes smooth and yeah you know It is crazy with pregnancy. I mean, like you said, you grow up just praying not to get pregnant. And then all of a sudden, nothing's in your hands. Right. Every step of the way. I mean, it's, we went through completely different pregnancies and everything. But it's the most terrifying process.

Dude, isn't it cool, though? Like, Drew had a two vessel cord and, like, there's a bunch of complications. We weren't sure, you know, how health issues going to be. if there's going to be any type of, I guess, drawback from that? What do you mean like a two vessel cords? So we started out, I miscarried, and we weren't sure if I'd be able to carry at all because of gymnastics, which is kind of like the Ironman thing. It's like you'd train to be so healthy and you find out all this, get pregnant again.

And then our marker was, they don't know why, but every once in a while, the umbilical cord that gives the baby all the nutrients is made up of three vessels. Well, one artery and two vessels? One artery and two veins. Two veins. So instead of having three, mine only had two,

which meant she potentially wasn't getting enough oxygen, enough blood, enough nutrients. She was supposed to not have grown, whatever, there's a bunch of complications. It can cause like preterm labor, miscarriage, stillbirth, just all of this.

Wow. So when Drew was born, though, the doctor cut the umbilical cord, And she was like, that umbilical cord had more blood in it than any normal one I've seen. So, like, the two vessels would theoretically have less blood. Right. But she was like, that was the healthiest umbilical cord I ever seen. Anyway, I say all that because it's cool, just like, just like your embryo.

It's already like the most inspiring thing. You know what I'm saying? It's like, one sperm. Dude, I say, I go, our boy is already a warrior. He's like, it's a warrior. Even before we knew it was a boy. He was like, I mean, this is just the strongest baby. Like, it's just going to be a warrior.

It's going to be so, yeah. So it's cool. I mean, now it's a boy. Yeah. It's crazy. Nuts. I think your guys' story is incredible. Like, dealing with the unexpected is kind of like a general theme throughout.

And it's like inspiring. I know that when Sean and I shared our, like, miscarriage story, there's so many people that were touched by that just because. whatever people don't often talk about it but i feel like there's a lot of things in your guys relationship that could have a similar effect and just like giving making people people feel not isolated you know we've been because you say that and when we're aware of that and and i i've you know i've friends with both of you for a long time and i've followed your journey you know personally like hey what's up but i've also followed your journey um through youtube and everything else

because you guys are so good at documenting what you do and watching that and then us having what we're having to go through in order to have a child. I don't know if you remember. I say, well, you know, listen, this stuff happens.

You know, it makes you realize that you're not alone. Well, and, you know, even since we've been going through it, Chuck talked to a few people who have been in the same situation that he has. And, you know, but maybe they didn't talk about it as much. And so, like, in our mind, we think we are so isolated and that, you know, that doesn't happen to everybody. But then, you know, just in our circle, there have been people that have been like, dude, I have the same thing. And now I have two healthy babies and this.

So it gives us, you know, I don't know, such a positive outlook on it when you know that it's worked for other people and they've gone through the same thing. Well, one thing a guy is never going to come out and just say is like, I got a low sperm count. Like, it's just something you just don't want to say. It's not a conversation starter. How are you doing? low sperm count. You're doing? It is, I'd say, it is really hard since you guys are friends because I feel like

we could talk to you forever. But it's, it's been an hour and a half. I don't want to, like, keep you longer. I mean, are you shutting the conversation now? I want to respect their time. Okay, fine. I mean, we're good. I'm not, I'm in town for, what do you got to do?

You got anything to do? Oh, we have a child. You guys have kids. Yeah. You guys have kids. This whole time we were talking about kids. One of them has we picked up from school, I think. I don't really sure as mom and dad.

Yeah, we also have a. three month old wandering around the house somewhere so yeah she's not walking yet i hope i mean she she just did should we ask so many questions i mean i feel like this is you know about couples anyone oh you're asking no thank you guys for your time yes always a pleasure sit down with you Thank you.