Couple Things with Shawn and Andrew - 253 | Reacting to Online Dating Advice

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

Today we decided to do a deep dive into the dating advice we found online and let’s just say…you definitely shouldn’t believe everything you read on the internet! Some of the advice we found onl...ine was helpful and some of it we highly disagree with so let us know your thoughts in the comments below! If you're currently in the dating scene, you’ve got this! Someone amazing is going to come along, don’t lose hope :)  Love you guys, Shawn & Andrew Check out https://fractureme.com/ and use our code COUPLE25 for 25% off your first order!  Get the best pillow EVER from Lagoon! ▶ https://lagoonsleep.com/pages/lagoon-the-couple-things-podcast-from-shawn-johnson-east-andrew-east Beam Kids is now available online at shopbeam.com/COUPLETHINGS  Take advantage of our exclusive discount of up to 40% off using code COUPLETHINGS Subscribe to our newsletter  ▶ https://www.familymade.com/newsletter Follow our podcast Instagram  ▶ https://www.instagram.com/shawnandandrewpods/ Follow My Instagram ▶ https://www.instagram.com/ShawnJohnson Follow My Tik Tok ▶ https://www.tiktok.com/@shawnjohnson Shop My LTK Page ▶ https://www.shopltk.com/explore/shawnjohnson  Like the Facebook page! ▶ https://www.facebook.com/ShawnJohnson Follow Andrew’s Instagram ▶ https://www.instagram.com/AndrewDEast Andrew’s Tik Tok ▶ https://www.tiktok.com/@andrewdeast?lang=en #Dating #DatingAdvice #DatingTips #OnlineDating #ShawnAndAndrewPods Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 What's up everybody? Welcome back to Couple Things with Sean and Andrew. Today we're talking about online. We are reacting to online dating advice. I am very excited. I am very glad we are no longer dating. We have seen none of this advice, but we're going to go through and give you our live reaction. I imagine there's going to be some pretty solid tips, I've had to guess. Hopefully. But also maybe some ridiculous ones. Yeah. You know what? I think the online dating world seems terrifying. I agree. we never partook did you actually Andrew did you partake did you dabble I have never had swiping I've never had a dating app profile but I will say that seems like an interesting workaround to the question what else is there no I will say the only the only reason we ever started social media sorry the only reason I got a social media account was so that I could tweet at you yeah and then slide into your DMs so in that capacity We are experts. We freaking did it.
Starting point is 00:01:02 And now we're married. We're online dating experts, is what I have to say. Which is so funny even the whole like sliding into DMs because your brother set us up. Why didn't he just exchange numbers? I feel like there's a certain way to go about things. And if it's like, I feel like I had to test the waters myself. And if it was, if it was me asking for your number through my brother, it might feel like a little more pressure on your part. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:01:30 I have never asked this. I'm going to put you on the hot seat for a second, babe. I want to go back. I'm nervous. I want to go back. Okay. To the very first time you talked to Guy, your oldest brother. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:44 And he brought me up. What was the conversation? You know how Guy gets giggly? Yes. This is how I'm remembering it. He's giggly. He was like, I just sat with Sean Johnson for two hours at Taylor Finney's bike race. Yep.
Starting point is 00:02:00 And he's like, I think she's interested in Vanderbilt. You should connect with her. And I think that's about how it went. I was in the middle of like two days, so I don't think it was like a long conversation. And like two chicks? Stop. No, but it was like him being giggly
Starting point is 00:02:18 because he gets excited about things like that. But what was it about him being giggly that then was like, oh, I should set up a Twitter account and DM her? Like, did he say, like, you should pursue me? or like He said he had a great conversation with you So it was like
Starting point is 00:02:33 You were getting the You're picking up what he was putting down It like I mean look here I was A young 20 year old Guy So if it's a pretty looking girl Like you are
Starting point is 00:02:46 Who gets along with my brother Like you did Probably worth a shot You know Let's test the waters a little bit What do you think about that I like it I also remember
Starting point is 00:02:56 He didn't give me much information on you other than like I knew his last name was East I knew he said Andrew at some point in some way I found a family picture and I deduced who you were in a picture vaguely I probably had the long hair going at that point you did I loved it anyways
Starting point is 00:03:20 anyways did you ever partake in online dating never never But you would slide in DMs. DMs. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:03:32 So that's our extent of our experience. Like back in the day, that was the thing. Obviously, it's become like a whole algorithm thing and there's all these games and gimmicks and tutorials and all this, like the game within a game. So I'm excited to dive into this and see if it resonates with how we would stylistically approach dating. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But before we get into that, let's give you a little life update. I think we just got word that it's been right over a month since Beam launched and there are about 20,000 customers who have tried out Beam and the feedback has been the best thing ever.
Starting point is 00:04:10 It's been so much fun because we just got a call from a friend and they said their kid has trouble going to the bathroom. They don't eat anything. They don't eat anything. So much so they're about to take them to the pediatrician because they're really concerned. this friend is very like blunt in such a beautiful way like there's no hiding there's no people pleasing it's like it is what it is she's like I've been trying this secretly because if I hated it or we hated it we didn't you know want to hurt your feelings and she's like it has literally changed our life this could go to the bathroom twice a day now and craves it like
Starting point is 00:04:46 asks for it every single morning when he wakes up and it's funny people will stop us on the street and say thank you so much for being my kid loves it so I do want to say we have had many requests. There is a pocket of people who have children who don't like chocolate. Like chocolate is not their thing. But you guys have requested and we hear you. We have talked to a lot of you about new flavors. We have ordered new flavors, two new ones so far.
Starting point is 00:05:13 And we are working on more as quickly as possible. We're trying to make them absolutely perfect. So our kids, our little lab testers, are trying to, trying to find the next ones. But so far we have chocolate chip cookie coming, which it does not taste like chocolate.
Starting point is 00:05:32 It is Drew's favorite. It's really good. It tastes like chips a hoy. And then we have strawberry, which tastes like strawberry nestquick. But just so you know, strawberry is green. Just so you know.
Starting point is 00:05:46 Also, well, if you haven't tried it out, we'll link that down below. So I think we have a little discount for you. yes you know what else i've been thinking about though babe is um the watch time from subscribers i just i just saw this 56% of people that watch our videos are not subscribed to the video bro but just click the button can i say selfishly like it would really help us out in like a really big way if you just press subscribe yeah and we promise you if you do that You can turn out the notifications.
Starting point is 00:06:23 You don't have to, like, do any of that. Just subscribe. But we'll promise you that we will continue to work for unique guests and unique conversations with those guests and increase the production quality and all the things so that we can bring you the best experience because that's our goal. We're not going to be the most clickbaity, most poignant or controversial show. But what I was thinking about the other day, someone was talking about God and like, man, think about how your life would change.
Starting point is 00:06:51 if you meditated on God and all he's done for you, like think about how much more grateful you might be. You think about how much more top of mind, like values and virtues might be and how that would change your life. And what I was thinking about with our show, which is not God, just let me clarify, but like, we're out here trying to freaking stay married.
Starting point is 00:07:14 You know what I'm saying? We're out here trying to have interesting conversations. What I love is your perspective is way different to mine when we do these interviews. And we're out here just exploring topics, I think, in a distinct way. Your background is incredible.
Starting point is 00:07:30 And I think your perspective is amazing as a result of that. That was a tangent. Let's get back on track. I appreciate that. Last thing I'll say is Jet had his first t-ball game this weekend. And that was a peak moment in life, to be honest. And if he never plays any sport again, I'll be happy.
Starting point is 00:07:52 But he had his little jersey on, his little belt, socks. So much fun. We had hot dogs and concession stands. And it literally brought me back to, like, my childhood. I'm not living vicariously. All I have to say is I did really enjoy it. And I told Andrew, I'm not trying to live vicariously either. I'm trying to separate this.
Starting point is 00:08:11 But this was not the lifestyle I grew up in. I grew up at a gym, which is all year round. You don't, it's not like you have your outdoor experiences or anything. We're inside all year round. So getting to experience this for the first time literally felt like a dream come true. So much fun. Which is not, I'm not, like if he never wants to go back,
Starting point is 00:08:33 that's totally fine, that's on him. But it was still like a dream come true. He had fun, Drew had fun, playing in the river, meeting new friends, bear had fun, meandering around. So it was a fantastic weekend. Which brings us to our featured comment of the episode. Yes. This one's from Chee Cake, who said,
Starting point is 00:08:51 Always a Good Time, five stars. I love Andrew and Sean's chemistry in the podcast and how it's clear that they respect each other and take care of each other and love their family well. They can be just as hilarious to listen to as they can have deep and meaningful conversations, good balance of fun and meaningful topics. Well, thank you, Cheecake.
Starting point is 00:09:09 And please give the show a rating on whatever platform you're listening to. We love reading these and going through these and I mean a lot. and it helps the show, too. So anyway, to the episode, reacting to online dating advice. Here's the thing. This is like relationships.
Starting point is 00:09:28 I'm studying social psychology right now in school. I think relationships are the reason we're here. You know what I'm saying? So it's important. And I like the topic. This is what I listen to for podcasts and books and articles I read about and books I read. So that's where the idea I came from is like I kept. coming across these articles about people giving different advice.
Starting point is 00:09:50 And I was like, I wonder, I wonder what dating advice the internet would have. So I am curious, Sean, have you ever sought the internet for any type of relationship advice? Google, what do I do if my husband does X, Y, Z? Like, relational, soft skill stuff. Yeah. Do you have an example? I don't know. I don't know if I have an example, but I do think there is a lot.
Starting point is 00:10:17 Back in the day, even now, where I feel like seeking Google is the same as like reading a book. It's all like, how can I be a better wife? What are like, I don't know. Maybe not so much now as it was like back in the day of, I think there was a lot around the wedding. Oh, man. I don't know. Less so now. Here's just a, this is a rant that I'll have. Yes, I have things like gift.
Starting point is 00:10:47 or what do I do, like, certain things in pregnancy, I feel like, post-pregnancy, ideas for like postpartum, things like that. Remember a lot of things in pregnancy. And honestly, I have strong feelings about this because in this world of AI and Google, where you're turning to the internet more than you're turning to your family or your parents, you kind of come up with this monoculture, hey, we're all trying to, do this same recommended output that Google gave us applied to way different context. And I think it takes the context out of it, which makes it less applicable.
Starting point is 00:11:27 I also think it takes the style and culture away from the person. So I think Google is helpful. It can give you a good starting point. But don't forget your freaking friends and family are there and probably have valuable insight to what we try to do with our videos and maybe even with these hot takes of online dating advice that we're about to go through. hopefully I think the best case scenario is you you watch what we do or you hear what we're about to go through and you say oh I really agree with that I don't really agree with that and you kind of start navigating through what your style is I think getting that more explicitly top of mind is really helpful and it's like a fun adventure especially if you're walking through
Starting point is 00:12:09 this with someone you're dating or etc so but don't just go with the first thing that pops up on Google. You also have tailored advice from friends, family, and closed circle that's perfectly tailored to you. Yeah, they know you. Yeah. Google doesn't. I mean, Google probably knows the worst part of you, to be honest. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Anyway. This is a long list. Okay, let's hit it. So, after we say it, say if you agree with it or not, and then we'll dive in. All right. First one, forget flirting. Just say hello. People get too caught up and waiting on someone to lock eyes across the room. So instead, if you want to approach someone, do it.
Starting point is 00:12:53 I don't like the headline. I think flirting is actually very important. It's like part of the courting process and stuff. But I do agree. Like, rip the band-aid and say hello. I agree. Don't be caught up in saying like, in your mind he should say high first. Like, what if he's not noticing?
Starting point is 00:13:10 Whatever. Definitely say hello. Someone has to break the ice first, but flirting is important. Next, give it a second date. Unless the first date was truly disastrous, always give the second day to try. We tend to see people's flaws first, which means we may make mistakes as we view pet peeves for deal breakers. These are all from The Guardian, by the way. We have like seven different websites that each gave their advice.
Starting point is 00:13:39 I agree. I actually have some friends, you and I have some friends who, we get really frustrated because they'll go on one date and they're like, oh, I was kind of bored or they weren't tall enough or whatever. Give it a second date. Because personality and like the way you get to know someone, I think is really important. I agree. Yeah, I think I mostly agree. Here's something else, tangent. I have to go off for a second. The whole online dating world, we said this. We were talking about this with someone the other day. The online. dating world gives you the ability to make every possible opinion of someone before you ever meet
Starting point is 00:14:20 them. Yeah. You fill out these online dating forms saying, here are my hobbies. This is what I'm interested in. This is my career, my resume, how tall I am, my hair color, how I like to dress. Like, you paint this entire picture and you form an opinion on someone else or let someone form an opinion of you so then when you go on a first date one if you don't come to that date being that exact person
Starting point is 00:14:48 you're already ruining like sending yourself up a failure yeah because like whoa this didn't meet my expectations that's super interesting I never thought about that two you're taking away a lot of conversation a lot of curiosity of like what are your hobbies and the delivery of those
Starting point is 00:15:07 like that answer gives you a lot of context as to like I like canoeing I went canoeing once though and it was absolutely hysterical and it was so much fun because we went to this whatever you know I just I think these online platforms
Starting point is 00:15:22 you lose so much ability to truly get to know a personality and a whole human as like their whole character because you go in saying like oh, they love football so much. That's kind of a, I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:15:42 When in reality, that's all they post about or whatever. And maybe it doesn't get accurately represented. I also think, like, it does take a certain amount of inertia or a higher amount of energy to change your opinion of somebody once it's already formed than it does to initially create it. So you are kind of swimming upstream in that regard. But also, it's like, well, this is the day and age we live in. So what are you going to do? I just don't like it.
Starting point is 00:16:08 I think if you are on online dating apps, you should make your profile as small as possible. And not give out a lot. Are you just limiting your candidate school, though? Anyway, I will adjust this piece of advice. Give it a second date if it's a maybe or a yes. If it's a hard no, then don't. With the asterisk of widen your guide. guidelines.
Starting point is 00:16:38 Yes. Third, know your hard lines and make them known. Is it helpful to know which lines you won't cross, such as political differences or ambivalence about children? I think that's supposed to be. It is helpful to know which lines you won't cross. Make sure your date knows where you stand on deal breakers very early on so you don't waste their time.
Starting point is 00:17:00 Not on the first date. I don't think so on the first date. here's the thing relationships are not meant to change you you should not go into a relationship with the expectation that the other person will change to your liking but relationships do change you so like they do things like children maybe that's hard no and maybe that's enough but also I think there's a lot of topics where it's like yeah probably you're going to change your perspective on things as you should yeah I don't think you should go into a first date and be like I am left or right, and I'm never going to move. You know, like, that's not a good way to open yourself up to a conversation. Like, we shouldn't hit the really heavy hitters hard. It's almost like a type of arrogance in some regard, but carry on. But I do think there's a world in which you should probably show up to a first date
Starting point is 00:17:51 a little bit with, like, I'm here to find a long-term partner, or I'm here to literally just hook up and never see you again. like I think you should be forthcoming maybe in that respect and then everything else may be saved
Starting point is 00:18:11 for like maybe a second date yeah I mean I agree with this as long as it's executed with a soft and curious style where it's like hey if you're if you're just like this is not a conversation that doesn't sound like someone
Starting point is 00:18:23 I want to be on a date with like this is how I am take it or leave it that sucks yes but if you're like hey this is my take on that what do you think and it's like wow it's a
Starting point is 00:18:31 conversation now we're freaking get to know each other and getting different perspectives and that might be the whole point of the whole whole ordeal and you shouldn't go in judgmental like if someone if you are on a date with someone who has the complete opposite belief of you that's totally fine you can respect that and not like yeah whatever that's right also we have john chris headed our way right now so we're going to try to make it through this episode and then go through that interview so let's roll great these next ones are from cup of joe moving away from the guard and advice. Their first piece of advice is Google at your own risk.
Starting point is 00:19:06 If you exhaustively research your date before meeting, you may hold off on asking them questions like where you go to school, what you do for a living because you already know all the answers. This is what I was saying. Don't do that. Don't go all FBI on them. Please. I agree. You're really good at it though. I'm so good at it. It is fun and also
Starting point is 00:19:22 such an instinct to do that. But when girls start going through like all the exes that they've had and all the girls that they've posted a picture with and like nothing about that is healthy yeah i agree you read the next one if you don't want to date don't date it is easy to feel the pressure from friends or family to put yourself out there but no one gains from you going on dates you don't want to be on i agree unless you're like in the true mindset of this is something i'm pursuing and i want you can't be doing it for other people i agree but if you don't want to date because you're
Starting point is 00:19:58 self-conscious or um whatever like if it's a I think there's a little bit of a personal challenge that you might need to overcome you know what I'm saying because you should push yourself in certain regards but if it's just not something you're interested in right now that's fine does that make sense
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Starting point is 00:21:15 Go to lagoon sleep.com slash eastfam and take their quick two-minute sleep quiz to find your pillow match. And you use the code Eastpham for 15% off your first purchase. All right, next up, this advice is from the Huffington Post. Their first advice is to make a list of every quality you want in a spouse. People think that by creating a very specific list of what they are looking for, this will help them to find love that is compatible with their desires. Some people also write down a list of non-negotiables prior to dating.
Starting point is 00:21:43 What do you think about this? I don't like this. I feel like we talk about this. Really? Yes. Really? Say more. I think you can have some non-negotiables, but I don't think you should make a
Starting point is 00:21:54 very specific list of like this is where I think people get caught up with looks and height and hobbies and like where they live and like like when we met it didn't make any sense at all we didn't even live on the same coast as one another yeah I was working in entertainment you were in college I was like I basically was a 30 year old at the time and you know the way that I functioned in life and it like it didn't make sense on paper so to that respect it wouldn't have been I don't know I'm in favor of this because I think our friends that you've mentioned they'll go on dates and they'll be like I didn't I don't want to go on a second date because
Starting point is 00:22:46 that just wasn't into them it's like well what about them were you not into you know what like having specific adjectives that say I need someone who's a little more respectful or a little more social and outgoing or a little more rambunctious or maybe a little quieter or maybe a little funny like I just I'm in favor of making a list to build an awareness and specificity with like
Starting point is 00:23:12 what exactly do you like about this person and don't like if we're viewing this almost like an experiment I think it's so dangerous, though, because you can end up making your list so specific that you weed out people who could very well be such wonderful contenders. I don't think the list should be the master file. I don't think it should be the only thing making your decision. I think it's more of a almost like journaling, reflecting exercise. Like on your list, when we started dating, all you wanted was a brunette. Okay.
Starting point is 00:23:46 I do. Stop. You do like Burnett's? Yeah. You got me blushing. What? I'm not blushing, actually. You have to move the conversation for it.
Starting point is 00:24:02 You're blushing because you like burnets? Again, I think it's a style of how this advice is executed more so than agreeing or disagreeing with the surface level there. Second, don't share too much on the first day. Sharing too much about yourself, your family, past, etc. or it can be overwhelming to someone you just met. Keep things vague for the first day and learn more about each other as time goes on. I did just hear this term,
Starting point is 00:24:26 I believe it's called floodlighting that is like a generational thing where the young people will just like word bomb at everything. Which people always talk about I like how open and authentic you are. And I think people get that confused with like oversharing.
Starting point is 00:24:45 You know what I'm saying? So finding the balance, I think, is crucial. I don't think you should consume a conversation. Myself? Yeah, that should be like one-sided all about me. But I don't think you should intentionally try to be vague just because you heard that you shouldn't share details about yourself on the first.
Starting point is 00:25:10 This is why this stuff gets really frustrating to me because if you start making all these rules about a date, then if you have two quirky people meeting for the first time who want to do things a different way, but in the back of their mind they're like, oh, but the list told me not to, you're forcing yourself to be in a box that's not you, and then all of a sudden you're on a first date
Starting point is 00:25:33 that actually doesn't represent you. So to me, it's like, yeah, go say hi. You don't have to wait for them to make the first move. I'm really enjoying your perspective on this, by the way. Thank you for sharing all this. I think it boils down to like emotional intelligence that you do that people talk about. It's like, hey, certain things are appropriate in certain situations, but not in all situations. And knowing what to share and when is a very, it's like dynamic process.
Starting point is 00:26:03 You should not overshare. I agree. But if someone's like, hey, I lost my dad or whatever, sorry I'm sad, I lost my, like, knowing how to navigate that situation and showing empathy. But also we've sat down here with couples who've been married for 40 years and a
Starting point is 00:26:22 husband will be like, you know what on the first day? I said, I'm going to marry you. And the wife was like, I thought he was absolutely crazy. But here we are 40 years later. Yeah, but doing that with a joking like sly smile feels different than like a super intense a little bit. It is like, oh, this is a stocker.
Starting point is 00:26:38 Which is EQ. But what I'm saying is like to write a list and say don't overshare don't say that on the first date don't do this there's actually asterisks and like exceptions to everything on on any list ever right so in general i would say go on more dates to build emotional quotient and also spend time with your friends and family that will help you build that emotional quotient anyway next up never kiss on the first date this can be seen as distasteful and forward and should be saved for consecutive dates do you agree with
Starting point is 00:27:12 in general in general yes when we've talked about this lightly on previous episodes I think there are signals that are given when
Starting point is 00:27:30 like I'm making a move on the first day physically that might trigger like psychological walls to be built in your mind where it's like oh what's he in this for. So I'm not saying that's always a case. I'm just saying I would play it safe probably.
Starting point is 00:27:48 I don't know what your full past is if I'm going on the first day. So I would lean on the side of moving slowly physically. You know what I'm saying? For sure. So we kissed on the second date? First, uh, second or third, yeah. Well, but it was like the fourth time we had hung out, right? Because that was, that was like the second night you were in Nashville. Oh, because of L.A. Yeah. And then IndyCar.
Starting point is 00:28:25 That doesn't count. We weren't, that wasn't like a date. That was like a, hey. Okay. Okay, great. So like maybe third or fourth. Yeah. Anyway, you got the next one.
Starting point is 00:28:38 Let go of dating stigmas. Everyone wants to meet their partner in a cute, organic. way but if you meet someone online or through a dating app that's fine too don't be ashamed of how you met let go of any stigmas of how meeting someone is supposed to look and just enjoy yourself i agree with that yeah there's no stigmas it's like if you meet someone you meet someone great yeah on to the next thing yeah next it's a numbers game date as much as humanly possible some people recommend casually going on dates with multiple people out once until you get to know them better or to you want to get serious with one person.
Starting point is 00:29:14 What are we calling for a group date here? Is that what that is? I think they're saying like set up a ton of dates. And keep dating all of them until you find one that you're serious. I don't like that at all. You think that just, why? I don't think you're invested in the curiosity of one person. Does that make sense?
Starting point is 00:29:38 Like I think you should go on a date with someone. And if you want to go on another date with them, book another date if not book a date with someone else but don't book like four different people and keep consecutively dating them seeing oh I kind of like this guy more than the other guy so like yeah yeah I agree but maybe I should give him another chance like then you're not actually interested on someone you're not actually pursuing them to get to know them because you always have other people you're thinking about and then if I fast forward three or four dates later you're like I think everyone has beautiful qualities that are really likable and so if you
Starting point is 00:30:12 you spend three dates with option A and option B concurrently, then that's going to be really confusing. We're like, well, I like this about them, and I can't leave that because this person doesn't really have that and that way. You kind of juggled a little bit, though. I cut it pretty soon after you were like, I'm in, I cut it. That is true. First of all, you drug me out for nine months.
Starting point is 00:30:35 I'm just saying. You put me through the ringer. You juggled a little bit. Anyway. All right Did you How long after my Nashville visit
Starting point is 00:30:46 Did you cut it off? That week. Okay Because that makes sense No no I cut it off in Indy I said this done Okay
Starting point is 00:30:58 Yeah Because then you were actually texting me Freakingly Yeah And I was like Yeah And the time between
Starting point is 00:31:08 Indy and Nashville That was like May 26th June 4th, or about then, was CMAFest. So, yeah, it was somewhere in that week. Okay. Next, these are from E-Harmony. Dating advice.
Starting point is 00:31:22 Keep the sexual content to a minimum over text before and after the first date. All right, it's better to err on the side of caution when it comes to making sexual comments over text without body language to give you cues. It can be hard to tell when it's appropriate or if they're into it. If you're feeling bold, you can always ask if it's okay to take the conversation there. Honestly, I'm going zero. Zero sexual content. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:44 Unless, like, I mean, maybe this is just our style, but like... I just live in a world where I'm like, someone's going to see that, and it's going to get posted somewhere. I have never understood nudes. Never. I'm saying, get it live, man. That's how I feel. I agree. Also...
Starting point is 00:32:08 It's too risky. It's too risky. in it have you ever sent to nude god no me neither i'm glad i'm glad to hear it yeah okay yeah next it's okay i'd be fine it'd be fine i have never understood nudes i've extra never understood a dude sending nude i was just gonna say i'd like to see you try to take one yeah also that whole process just feels humiliating like what what are we doing here what are we doing next up your date's body language, match your body language to your date's body language. Like, lean in
Starting point is 00:32:45 when they lean in, touch them when they touch you is a well-known flirtation technique called mirroring. It's a great way to make your interest known without being too obvious about it. Are these all physical oriented here? This feels weird. I actually generally agree that like mirroring someone and saying, oh hey, thank you for sharing that. You know, repeating things people share verbally, but also yeah the body language mirroring is real it helps people feel comfortable yeah but you don't have to you can also like have your own body language i agree i agree with you also the next one what okay go ahead if he calls too soon after the first date something must be wrong with him what but also if he doesn't call soon enough after the first date something must be more than throw that in
Starting point is 00:33:30 the trash and don't ever think about that again oh my gosh what are we doing internet again it took me like nine months to call Andrew. This says some say if your date is into you, they'll show it and you'll know it. However, some say that calling too soon shows desperation. No, you don't know what people are going through. What are we talking about here? I will say, we talk about parenting advice and... I think I texted you right after a date and vice versa.
Starting point is 00:33:56 Yeah. You're going parenting advice. Ultimately, you know, Emily Astor's book talks about there's a ton of different ways to do parenting and most of them are good. There's a ton of different ways to call somebody or contact someone after the first day and probably most of them are good. It's how you execute it
Starting point is 00:34:12 and the intention and what you say. If I call you right after and I'm like, hey, you forgot your wallet, that's going to be different than like I'm obsessed with you. I don't know. There's just so much gray area here. There's also a gray area to say like,
Starting point is 00:34:26 can't stop thinking about you. I had fun. Like, that would make any girl giddy. Yeah. All right, next. Today, we are doing something really fun and slightly terrifying. We are going to be scrolling deep into the camera rolls for a little game we're calling
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Starting point is 00:35:05 Go glass. So we're going to scroll together and answer some fun, totally unfiltered questions about what we've been capturing on our phones. This could get interesting or super embarrassing, I'm not sure.
Starting point is 00:35:15 Probably both, but also cute. So let's go. All right, first question, how many photos do you have in your camera role right now? No lying. Let's look.
Starting point is 00:35:22 Wait, how do you find out? Let's see. If you go to your photos, top left. Oh, my gosh. 86,000, 42. $100,282. Oh my, what?
Starting point is 00:35:36 Gosh, Apple owns us. For the rest of our life, we're going to be paying subscriptions. They do. Good heavens. The amount of cloud. I know. I know. Okay.
Starting point is 00:35:45 Next question. How many photos do you have of me versus how many you have of the kids? Okay. 26,116.116. Of me? Yeah. Interesting. I have 14,000 of you, and I have 20,000 total of the kids.
Starting point is 00:36:00 kids. I have. I have 33,000 photos of the kids, 26,000 photos of you, give or take. I mean, that's pretty good. Yeah, it's a fair split. Okay, ready for round two? Yes, let's do it. So first up, find your absolute favorite photo in your camera roll right now. No thinking, just go. That's impossible. I know. We have the same one. Okay, great. It's like, this is taken last night, the kids cuddling. Yes. It's one of the first pictures we've ever had, like, of them intentionally hanging out together and it's so sweet. Pictures worth a thousand words and it's like you see your kids
Starting point is 00:36:35 being sweet to each other and you think about all the work it's taken to get them this face. I know. That is a sweet picture. I know. Okay. A photo that made you cry.
Starting point is 00:36:46 Oh. I mean, so many of the favorite ones for different reasons. Yeah. You have one? Mm-hmm. I know exactly based off how you're going to be about my dad.
Starting point is 00:36:55 Which one? Oh, that's a great picture. Oh. Yeah. there's a there's a photo of all our family taken at that wedding my brother's wedding and that one makes me cry but this was this was a picture i picked out our last family christmas all together yeah just you don't know what you got so it's gone yeah you know good memories good tears so strangest random photo this is round three yeah okay so something that makes absolutely no sense
Starting point is 00:37:23 i got uh easy i don't know why that was in my favorites yeah what is that it's all my perfume bottles that is very random yeah okay this was one taking a couple years ago of us at apple headquarters with apple co-founder steve wasniak who fang girled over sean and it was it's it's weird because of the story of how it is he like came up to you was so excited you guys did dancing with the stars together so i guess you know this legend of a guy he's so sweet he doesn't own a phone and he's like hey sean i've been reading about you in the paper it's so good to see you yeah this guy reads a newspaper you know everyone else is using the phone that he created that's changed
Starting point is 00:38:01 history. He was the act. Love you. All right, round five, the last photo that you took. Okay. Great. Pull it up. This should be easy to find. Got it. This is Sean and Jet eating breakfast this morning. Wait, what? They were sitting there looking cute and you guys were doing the same thing. So like, doing this, eating
Starting point is 00:38:17 the same thing in the same way. Bear, holding a frother in the cutest little dinosaur outfit with his beanie. That outfit. He always has to have something in his hand, some sort of like staff. We do have one more thing to do before we wrap this up. Since this segment is brought to you by fracture,
Starting point is 00:38:33 we have each picked two photos from our camera rolls to print on glass, but we didn't tell each other which ones we chose. And now we're surprising each other with them. Are you ready? Yeah, let's do it. Okay. First one. Man, it is quality fives.
Starting point is 00:38:46 Oh, my gosh, look at that. This is a gift for you. Oh, thank you, baby. I like that picture a lot. I like this picture a lot. Thank you. Wait, they're both from the same place. Look how pretty look.
Starting point is 00:38:57 That's my favorite smile. you've ever had. Okay. Okay. Are you kidding me? You kidding me without who you are? Next one. Okay. You picked one of the same pictures. How about that? And this was in Paris. I love that picture. I like the picture because there's a funny backstory. I showed up totally
Starting point is 00:39:15 underdressed and it was a super fancy event. But you weren't underdress. Well, it was a red carpet and there's like all these big time people. Do you remember getting ready for this event? We were so sweaty. and so gross coming back from work. We had literally 30 seconds to get dressed. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:39:33 Yeah, yeah, good times, good times. A lot of memories that that picture represents. Anyway, honestly, those photos look ridiculously good printed on glass. The quality is incredible and the glossiness is so pretty. The color is really crispy. We need to do this more. I agree. I feel like we need to cover every inch of our house and just pictures.
Starting point is 00:39:49 Honestly, the moments are so special. But how do you select them? It's a lot. Let's just print them all off. All 100,000, we'll just do glass everywhere in our house. The moments are too special, and they deserve more than to just sit on our camera roll. Yes, this is slightly chaotic, but also so fun.
Starting point is 00:40:04 So let us know if you want us to do this again because I feel like there are so many more weird and also sentimental gems in our camera rolls. That's right. And if you're listening right now, open your camera roll and see what your strangest or most emotional photo is, and let us know. Tag us in it, if you want to share it because we want to see it.
Starting point is 00:40:20 That's right. Who plans the date should often pay? If a date invited you to a concert, you might be a bit put off if they ask you to reimburse, them for the ticket no just have an open dialogue and I would also defer to the manpaying I agree because right or not that is kind of the the stereotypical way to do it in some ways subconscious expectation yeah so dang it I would I would suggest that I mean I agree but like yeah I agree what no no I would agree you think that's like super old school
Starting point is 00:40:56 I think people would argue that it is But I think we are old school You think so? Yeah, I do I can't tell if we're old school or new Look, you got all these fancy clothes on, your style You're like new age
Starting point is 00:41:12 You got the mom jeans, you know Are we old school though? We are Okay, last You may grow to like the person Even if you don't right now Even if the first date doesn't go as planned And maybe the person will grow on you
Starting point is 00:41:25 The longer you see them yeah just give it time people there's there's depth people that you have to learn yeah that's why i think if it's a maybe or a yes go for it yeah go on the second date just like that other piece of advice we heard because i think to know is to love and you get to know someone by spending time with them and being curious with them and trying new experiences with them, putting them in new context.
Starting point is 00:41:59 You gave me butterflies when we were dating. Always. Then butterflies is gone now, though. Bay is gone. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I actually driving home the other day.
Starting point is 00:42:11 Well, you were, Sean's been busy in New York. She's like, freaking international superstar. So she's been traveling everywhere. And I just miss you. every hour you're gone is sad that sounds so cheesy but here we are 12 years into this thing I confess that I missed you on Saturday when I was with you all day but I still missed you
Starting point is 00:42:31 somehow it's pathetic hilarious I love you that was fun all right let us know in the comments what topic we should do next leave the show rating review also share any other good or bad dating advice you've seen online would love to hear what you all are coming across on the inner web and we'll see you next time i'm andrew i'm sean or the east fam out

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