Couple Things with Shawn and Andrew - 265 | Assumptions About Us: Let's Talk About It

Episode Date: June 18, 2025

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What's up, everybody? Welcome back to a couple things. With Sean and Andrew. Another fun one, Assumptions about us. That's right. We're going to roll into it, but first I want to talk about the comment of the week. This one is from pagy.m.m.99. Wow.

Who says 10 out of 10, 5 stars, love the ask. Sean and Andrew Epps, keep the wisdom and optimism coming. As someone who started playing volleyball at 10 years old, I love that you all have fallen in love with the sport as well. Exciting news, the Indy Ignite of which Sean is a part of is in the playoffs for the PVF. They're the top four teams and that's going to be an exciting role. So let's bring home the championship Indy Ignite. Yes. Go volleyball.

Go volleyball. Love these episodes. Love that you guys have so many assumptions of us that we just like to debunk or talk about. Always interesting episodes. Do we have any life updates? John and I are doing morning workouts together, which is new. Yes, though you didn't join this morning. Correct, correct.

We're pacing ourselves just because there's a reason that we didn't work out with each other for the first. Eight years of our marriage. Yeah. Yep. I will say, the workout, though, it's interesting. I, you couldn't have paid me six months ago to wake up early in workout. I'd be like, no, absolutely not. Now it's the only time I want to work out, 5 a.m.

why what changed tell younger Sean tell Sean from 12 months ago why you like it I started the workout journey at doing like one one o'clock workouts throughout the day and I think after working out at the 1 p.m. time slot for probably three or four months I started getting my energy back started sleeping better don't know how any of that works physiologically but that happened and then being able to work out in the morning became a little bit easier and then now that I am working out in the morning it's just like a great start to the day I feel like a better mom I feel like a better wife I feel like I have more energy during the day and then you don't have to like disrupt your day and work out it's just like all done yeah uh so Sean works out from five to six

the kids wake up a seven so we've had a nice little hour before the kids wake up which is really It is really nice. It's like a good way to warm up to the day. Prime yourself for what's about to happen. Maybe work on breakfast, lunch, whatever. The most common question we get, though, is what time do we go to bed if we work out that early? We go to bed at 8.30. Early. It's interesting. We used to love watching shows together. And I don't really have that appetite anymore right now. No. If we're watching a show, I'm like, why aren't we just going to bed? I think part of it is a morning workout. Part of it is the fact that, that there's like, everyone has a show, they recommend that you watch, so much so that it's like, all right, I'm never going to get to all these. I'm done with this, you know. I think it's also just noise.

I think we are in a phase of life where there is so much noise that at the end of the night, we're either going to talk and chill or we're going to go to bed. You literally mean like audible noise? Like actual audible noise. Okay, interesting.

Because I also work out with no sound, with my trainer. like no music nothing it's just great to have like Wyatt it's interesting because Sean's kind of increasing her competitive edge and like desire towards the health and wellness I wouldn't say mine is decreasing

but last year was a big year for me to do all the competitions be real intense fitness wise I think I've settled into like the long the long game of life from like we're gonna just I'm gonna work out like 40 minutes a couple times a week kind of work on maintenance. You have to understand that. The past six years, you've had to be competitive.

Yeah. I have not. Yeah. Like making up for a kind of lost time. I dig it. I dig it. You're doing a great job. So anyway, this episode, we posted on Instagram at Sean and Andrew Pods, which if you don't follow us on that Instagram channel, please do. There's clips that we post about the episodes and interviews we do. But anyway, we asked for your latest assumptions about us as a family of five, and we are excited to go through these and see what you all think about us. We have not seen these ahead of time. No.

So we're always interesting. We're going to be getting our live reaction. And we share a lot about our lives on social media and YouTube, Instagram. It is so fun. And I talk about this often, but we have a wonderful corner of the internet where the community of people that is surrounding us on Instagram and these different channels are all just like good folks.

and it's fun. So we love being able to share our lives and we love getting your input. But at the end of the day, that's still just a piece of our life. So some of these assumptions are going to kind of be painting what people assume is the rest of the picture.

So let's just jump into it. All right, so we're about to do 20 assumptions and I think we'll probably have to do a part two just for time, but you got the first one. All righty. So we have to say true or false and then explain. Okay. First, you have a strong community around

you in order to do all the things you do. True. 100% true. We have a wonderful community. We have worked very hard to have a very strong community around us. That includes my parents, Andrew's family, our friends that we consider family. Like we literally get texts that'll be like family dinner.

And that's from our friends asking to like do big family dinner. The girls who work with us, everybody. We have worked very hard to have a very good one. I would say one of the blessings of having a child or children. children is that you realize how much you need community. I think before we had our first kid, we kind of took it for granted. And it's like, ah, I don't know if I need to live around family or I don't know if I need whatever.

But like with a kid, you're kind of stretched a little thinner. And so you really need to press into the team mentality. So yes, we do have a wonderful community. Friends, family, teammates, the whole thing. It's great. Number two, you never go through each other's phones. Okay. that's a true and false we have full access yeah like we use each other's phones every single

day it's like can i have your phone can you have your phone whatever yeah but we're never like searching through each other's phones to like find something you're free to go through my phone anytime you want same yeah which is an interesting thing because i think it's yeah the comfort the the comfort and knowing yeah we have nothing to hide yeah is enough like that's all that's all the thing that you need to build trust. Yeah. If there was a, no, you can't have access to my phone, then I'm like, well, why? Yeah.

So I guess just live a life that you don't have to worry about that. It's also interesting to you because like our phones and our computers and our iPads are all like completely open for all of our work people. So everyone has access to literally everything. I'm not we're not recommending that no but it's definitely like nice to know that we have nothing to hide yeah I will say this is this is probably oversharing but I was I had to be a part of a legal case in college unfortunately which is crazy but anyway it involved having to go into these detectives office and they interrogated me which is wild I won't share any more details about that

it was not even about me but yeah and the greatest feeling in the world is going into that office and not and knowing that you have nothing nothing that you're guilty of or like whatever i was just sometimes i think about that would be so stressful if you're in a situation where you're getting called upon tapped on the shoulder and you're like oh shoot also we learned in that case like nothing is deleted forever not because we had anything to do like nothing But just so you know, if you type it, send it, it's there forever, no matter what. Yeah. Anyway, make good decisions, folks.

Next. You have a ton of help with your kids and you don't have to do much parenting on your own. I would say that's true, but we've realized that we want to do parenting. Yeah. So we don't have to do much. We could definitely take our kids to different lessons or sports or whatever daycare. but we don't want to do that because we enjoy spending time with our kids. I think at our worst, we were like, oh my gosh, this is overwhelming.

Let's get as much help as possible for as long as possible. And then it's like, no, that's a me thing. Yeah. I need to work on myself so that I don't have that impulse or lack of patience. We do a majority of the parenting. We have my parents to help and our kids go to school. and we have a nanny who helps. So we have a lot of help.

But we are with our kids doing the parenting. 75% of the day. Yeah. I think about 25 hours a week is kind of where we have landed on getting help with the kids. Having someone in the house with us or helping with carpooling. Yeah.

Next. Sean secretly wants to go back to school like Andrew did. Yes. you just mentioned this the other day i know i still think i'll get my nursing degree sometime i want to be like a high school nurse when she grows up at our kids school yeah that'd be great um next i don't love you because you have a degree or not so thank you just right back and i support you and whatever you want to do thank you right back at you you've inspired me honestly learning is great and i didn't realize that until i was 32 years old and i was like

what are we doing man this is so fun so you know what else ander has done that i have put on my list now to complete is getting my pilot's license i would love to see you as a pilot honestly next your kids are always flexible with your schedules and adapt easily yes yeah i guess we were We're doing this big trip to Japan and Singapore and Dubai. And there's people we've talked to there, like, you could not pay me to bring my kids international like that. I think we definitely understand that feeling. For sure.

First time we took them on a long plane ride or car ride, it's like overwhelming. And you're like, dang, I won't have the peace and quiet that I usually have on planes or I can't listen to my songs or watch my TV shows. And it's like, yeah, you're losing that. You need to kill that part of the, trip. But once you get to the other side of that, and it's like, oh, my gosh, this goes back

to the, we want a parent. It's like, no, this is actually, we'll never get this opportunity again. And so anyway, we've kind of, we've kind of trained the kids in some ways to be flexible in that way. Yeah, they're very used to planes. They love the adventure. They love, you know, everything. But they're very used to hotel rooms. They're used to, we have our system. And they're very used to that. But I would actually say we're more rigid than we are flexible. Like if on the scale, I would say we're definitely more routine oriented. You know?

Yeah. We just use the flexibility strategically. Yeah. Is that fair? Yeah. Like our kids will be in bed. Yeah. By 7.30 every night. Yeah. But even traveling, it's like we're strategic with like what time the flights are and

if they're going to miss this night of sleep how are we going to make it up? And yeah, we're just like But that is flexible, too. I don't know. You do a great job at game planning around, to set our kids up for success. Yeah.

The best. Like, yeah, you do a great job. We've had major failures there, too. Don't worry. All right, next. Marriage counseling saved your marriage. I don't know if it saved it. I would say it definitely changed it for the better.

Yeah. It wasn't in a place to, like, it wasn't like a life or death situation with the marriage. Yeah. We weren't in a great spot. So it helped us get out of a bad spot. But we weren't in like a, this isn't going to work situation.

I think this goes back to the school question where it's like, one beautiful thing about Sean that I think I've grown into is you have like high expectations, which is great. And so if the marriage, isn't thriving if we aren't vibing. You've got to fix it. Yeah. It's like a fix it.

And you're kind of relentless and ruthless towards that. So. Too soon. But it's great. Like you will say something like, hey, something sings off. And then we'll end up in marriage counseling. I'm also trying to put verbs and words around how it positively affected us. I think,

I think a certain awareness or a different perspective is kind of we were stale in some ways of like we couldn't figure out how to communicate effectively in a way that made us feel intimate with each other after we had the third kid like we talk about emotional intimacy a lot we were kind of at this weird like stalemate point and I think going to counseling softened my perspective to be able to hear what you were saying less aggressively and receive it better. And then also just have a different perspective of like, oh, shoot, you kind of view things. I grew an appreciation for the power of marriage and how good of a team we really are. So it shed more light on that. Yeah, I would say it's worth trying to, like people say

marriage counseling was great. I'm trying to answer why, you know? Our marriage counseling was also biblical. I think something that really helped us was it gave us a perspective shift or realignment that we hadn't had. After a third kid, we had so many logistics in life that we had to deal with every single day. It just goes with having another kid. There's just more logistics. And learning how to like have a new perspective, a fresh perspective on everything, I think helped us. Yeah. That seemed very vague.

But yeah. Okay. Did anyone else relate to eating the same few dinners every single week? Sometimes I get sick of it. I'll have the best intentions of looking at more recipes, but then life happens and I just don't, which is why I'm so grateful for Home Chef. I love Home Chef so much. Sean and I have worked with Home Chef for a while, and their food is genuinely delicious.

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must be an active subscriber to receive the free dessert. Next, Sean can bench press Andrew. No, I can't. Should we try that right now? You want to try it live? No, you would smush me. 220? I cannot bench press 220.

I don't think you can't either. I don't think I've even bench pressed. Ever? No. What do you mean? That's not. Tell me you've bench pressed, babe. For the gains.

No. That's not, that's not an aesthetic I'm working to enhance. You've never bingched? No. Oh my gosh, get big bro Next time we work with Mark Just ask him Why don't you have Sean bench

And he can explain it I get like You don't need pecks I've laid on a bench And pressed a bar before I just needed to know I know the feeling Okay good

Thank you Next you got it Your videos are rehearsed A lot of the times In advance And sometimes staged No Definitely not true

Actually it would The opposite We actually Yeah that would not be our style at all. No. We're not out here trying to be like. Have you tried to see this act?

It doesn't work. Also, I feel like all of our videos, I like it when it's me failing or me looking dumb because it's for our first time through. The only thing that's ever like, quote, rehearsed in advance is like I will find videos that I like the idea of, whether they're like challenges or something. And in the moment, it's literally the first time I'm showing it to Andrew. I'm like, watch this, let's do it. That's not rehearsed.

We're not trying to be like pro-dancers or pro-acro yoga people. Or actors. So we don't need to come off super polished. We just like trying fun things. It's actually been really fun for Sean and I to do together. It's like, we'll giggle. We get to play.

Yeah, it's really fun. All right, next. Everyone always seems happy in your family and the kids always get along. No. No. No. We fight.

The kids argue. The kids try to, clock each other. Yeah. We have as much family drama as anybody. I think whatever that's talking about is more back to marriage counseling. Like learning how to navigate that without being so wedded to it. Like we're not just so immediately urgent in the situation that it's like detrimental or catastrophic.

You know what I'm saying? I think the feeling of happiness is like the feeling of, oh, you got to. are able to navigate this freely and loosely and flexibly also i want to put a note here this is also what is wrong with social media yes so like when you're when you're scrolling through social media and every single family looks absolutely perfect know that they're not just because we don't actively choose to film ourselves crying or arguing or having a hard moment and posted on the internet doesn't mean it's not there like we try to be very real with you and say like our lives are not perfect but you're probably going to see

happier moments posted for the world to see than sad ones because of the vulnerability factor honestly as it should be because if you're sitting there filming your crying child not good yeah or if i'm sitting there filming myself crying it's like no i should i should just i should be digesting that and working through that yes so i don't know like don't social media just complicates things, I think. Editing. On to the next. You literally never sleep.

We are obsessed with sleep and we sleep a lot. Our kids are great sleepers. I would say on average we sleep eight hours a night. Yeah, we just go to sleep early and wake up early. So we're not, I would say we don't waste a lot of time. No. So that's why at night we were just kind of wasting time watching Netflix for a while. We're like, let's just go to sleep.

Yeah. So then we'll wake up there. I will say, in case you're curious, I wake up on average probably once a night to help kids in some way, shape, or form. It's weird. You know what I just realized? Morning Netflix is not as much of a thing.

Does anybody like wake up early at 5 a.m. and just start crushing the Netflix? I would hope not. I'm sure it's out there, but it's like, it's not the same. It's not the same. It's not as socially acceptable or normal as a nighttime netflix. No. Yeah.

So I don't know why that is. I got to complete that thought later. Okay. Next, you like to keep your kids occupied with something at all times. Only in the sense of like we try not to have them mindlessly sitting on the couch watching TV. So yes, we try to keep them occupied with like arts and crafts or laying with Barbies and dolls or doing hot wheels with racetracks or let's go outside and ride a bike. but we're always trying to have them actively, like, yeah, playing or being bored or, like, cooking with us, but not always, like, doing an extracurricular. Yeah, Occupied is not the word that I would use there.

I would say we always try to have our kids engaged. Yeah. Maybe period. And so, like, to us, the kids probably watch TV 20 minutes on average a day. Yeah. maybe like before we start the the nighttime sequence yeah but we yeah we try to have them reading or playing or but occupied is not that that feels like it's a not intentional in some ways yeah next one you schedule sex on the calendar to make sure it happens we have never put sex on the schedule

i'd be down to though okay sure yeah just start adding them all in there monday we wouldn't have room for anything else. No, we don't do that. But we are, honestly... Let's try it out. No, we're trying to do a better job communicating that part of our lives better. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

Yeah. I need some naked time. Yeah, that's... That'll do it. Okay. Next. You'll eventually end up with a fourth baby. probably i don't know i've never heard her say that for the first time you know what happened

we saw a baby named goldie i was so mad someone had a baby named goldie it's a friend of ours and that was what we were going to name our third child if it was a girl and sean for the first time mentioned having a fourth baby wow that'd be great i love babies if barely was a girl. I can't believe I'm even saying this because I can't use the name now. If bear was a girl, the name was going to be Goldie Jean. My dad's middle name is Eugene. We could definitely use a name. I don't even. What do you mean? She lives right down the street. So what? Such a beautiful name. I'm so happy for you. All right. You got it next. You don't have time to be dialed in on what is happening in the country with politics, the news, etc.

Oh, dude. Andrew knows majority of what's going on. I used to be so obsessed with this. Oh, my gosh. I used to love, like, writer, I would wake up, check the news. It was so fun and thrilling and like you feel it in your bones. Yeah. And then we had kids.

Actually, no, COVID. Yeah, it was 20-20. Every day it was like, breaking news. And you're like, oh, my gosh. I feel like COVID we became anti-news people. Every day was like something just crazy happening. Crazy. And then I had a cousin talk to me about how they started just ordering Time Magazine.

Yeah. And his thought behind it was you get Time Magazine once a month. And it just highlights the biggest stories of the month. And so if it's a substantial enough and important enough story to make the monthly news, then that's all you need to know. But you don't need to know the day to day or minute to minute. You know what I'm saying? So I think I've started to detach myself from that. We like to be engaged citizens, though.

Yeah. So I think from a high level, we definitely engage with it. We just don't do the, like, Twitter refreshing. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that's good for anybody. Okay. You don't let your kids eat things like McDonald's are fast food.

Our kids had drive-thru McDonald's four days ago. They probably have McDonald's three or four times in their life. Yeah. Once with us. I mean, with Mimi and Poppy, they have McDonald's off them. I would say we hit up Chick-fil-A, Jimmy John's, Jersey mics, Chipotle.

Yeah. Those are a go-to. Waffle House. Waffle House. That was our Sunday tradition after church. I'll say this. My perspective, you probably don't agree with this.

We've actually never explicitly talked about this. If there's anything in life that's like a, oh my gosh, we'll never do that ever, to me, that's kind of a problem. I agree. So I'm like, I would... If you felt that way I bet McDonald's,

I might like intentionally say we're going to McDonald's. No, I don't feel that way. Just because it's like, it's not healthy. Yeah, what around, why do you have such intense emotions around that? Yeah. And the more you do something like that,

the more a kid's going to, like, rebel or. Yeah. Yeah. But it's definitely not a, McDonald's is not every week. Up next. You have probably not cleaned a toilet in many years. Oh man

I've unclogged plenty No I feel like The kids Are they asking Like do we have help With cleaners We have cleaners

We have cleaners But we do have cleaners But we've definitely also Clean toilets We've cleaned toilets And Sean cleaned up Throwup The new puppy ate

All the coffee grounds Which was crazy It's a crazy amount of coffee grounds Threw up everywhere We might not be cleaning toilets But we're scrubbing carpet We've cleaned up Every day

Yeah I would say We clean up Throw Up or poop off the floor once a week so I don't know Not a toilet Bear

We have found out Has a like dairy intolerance So we're cleaning up a lot of poop Yeah Everywhere Yeah

Next Your kids never Or very rarely Have tantrums True Why do you think that is I don't know Lucky

We just interviewed Cissy Gough And David Thomas Check out that interview They're great I was thinking though I think

one thing that we have challenged each other with is not feeding the tantrum. This is kind of what we talked about with them partially is like the responsibility of a parent. And I think a tantrum happens when the kid has an emotional outbursts, which ours

definitely do. And then the parent also has an emotional outburst. Or tries to stifle it. Yeah. And I think we'll either like go take the kid outside or run them around. or like we just don't um we try not to apply pressure to pressure in that situation emotionally i would also say something we have tried very actively to do from day one is if our kids

want our attention they're going to get our attention not immediately but they know like they can come over and put a hand on us and we'll acknowledge that they need something you know in whatever way shape or form it is and they're going to get attention so like i do feel like tantrums a lot of times are a desperate cry for more attention yeah I don't know I think yeah back to Sean having high expectations like there's a high expectation that we're very aware and present with the kids also honestly probably part of this has to do with genetics or something yeah I'm not sure but maybe these are some strategies that you could use I will say bear's little arched back tantrum is a first that we've never had yeah but he's grown out of

it's great yeah yeah all right next Andrew is a laid back one and Sean is on top of everything or else there would be chaos. Yeah, that feels pretty relevant. Feels pretty relevant. We're going to have a conversation up to this podcast about scheduling. Yeah. That we argued about last night. Honestly.

Moving on. No, no. I'm going to say this and then we can. Sean and I are a great team. We are. I used to interpret that saying as like, Andrew doesn't hold up his end of the bargain. But now I'm like, for the sake of our kids, this is something. else kids if they were all like oh my gosh everything has to be clean all the time and everything

has to be perfect and you're very good at that stuff I also don't think it'd be healthy so we compliment each other well do you agree I do okay I think we're perfect for each other I do too what are you laughing no what are you just said hey laugh I said I think we're perfect Then you're like, no, you just laugh. No, that was very sweet that you said that. I meant it. I'm a thing for this podcast because of that. All right, ladies, let's be honest.

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our show in the drop-down menu that follows. Next, you spend a lot of money but invest even more so you're very responsible with your income. So another area where Sean and I compliment each other well. She spends a lot of money. I invest that. Yeah. And honestly, I used to interpret that. I could be more expensive, okay? I used to think it doesn't do anybody any good if you only invest money. There is like, to your point, money is meant to a certain degree be spent and enjoyed. And I'm just saying, I could spend more. You do a good job.

You do a good job already. We compliment each other. Last one. Great team. Oh, so wait. Yeah. Your life is a bit crazy, but this is the happiest you've ever been. Yes.

I am so grateful that there's never been a time in my life where I look back and think those were the golden days I wish like honestly I'm grateful that it feels like every year

is better than the last maybe that will keep going I don't know maybe that's just like faith kind of like or gratitude or being present but I would say this is a happiest

have ever been. Simultaneously stressed in some ways, you know, but they go hand in hand. They're good teammates, craziness and happiness. They do. That was fun. I like those.

None of those were wild. No. I think they intended it to be wild to say we schedule sex on the calendar and we're like, that's a good idea. We should try that. We're open to trying most things.

Yeah. Did any of those surprise you The assumptions? I don't think so We'll do part two Maybe those would be crazy But I don't know Yeah

None of those seemed too far off the truth Either You guys are figuring us out Thank you for watching If you made it this far Please subscribe to this show Share it with the friend Maybe our nonsense

Would be something they enjoy And thank you for listening I hope you have a wonderful day and thank you for being a part of this wonderful community that we have we're just tickled by it so thank you that's all we got I'm Andrew I'm Sean next time