Couple Things with Shawn and Andrew - 322 | Failing Fantastically: The Skill Nobody Teaches You

Episode Date: August 2, 2026

This episode we talked about one of the most important life skills that nobody really teaches us: how to fail well. We shared why failure isn't something to fear, but something to embrace, and how our biggest setbacks often become the moments that shape us the most. However... one show DOES teach us this and that's Gabbys Dollhouse! During a segment of this episode we had the pleasure of sitting down with the star of Gabbys Dollhouse, Laila Lockhart Kraner, to talk about a puppy-riffic addition coming to the Dollhouse. Watch Gabby and her little sister Doozie, played by Celestina Harris, in their first adventure together in an all-new season of #GabbysDollhouse, debuting September 14 only on Netflix! Love you guys! Shawn & Andrew Ka'Chava → Take your daily ritual with you. Get 15% off your first order with code EASTFAM at https://www.kachava.com Lola Blankets → For a limited time, get 40% off select products with code EASTFAM at https://www.lolablankets.com Minno → If you want something your kids will love and you'll feel good about, start your free 7-day trial at https://www.gominno.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up, everybody? Welcome back to a couple things. With Sean and Andrew. Today is a fun one. We are talking about failing fantastically. That's right. We're going to be talking about our biggest failures and hopefully what we've learned from those failures.

Which is actually funny because I feel like this is a theme through a lot of the podcast that we have had, a lot of the interviews we've had, and talking about both of our upbringings. I think one of the greatest things that we were ever taught by both our parents and a lot of our coaches was that failure was a good thing. It's part of the learning process. I do feel like in today's culture, we're kind of getting away from that. People don't think it's okay to fail.

Like cancel culture, I feel like is the opposite of failing fantastically. Yeah. I would say it seems like there's a good way to fail and a bad way to feel. And the difference is, do you reflect on it? Do you learn a lesson? Yes. And then try to avoid that same failure moving forward. But we do feel like failure is,

something to avoid, it's really something that you should welcome because it means you're trying, you're pushing the limits of what you know and where you're comfortable. And I feel like it's where resilience, confidence, and growth are all built from. One of the benefits of getting older, as we're in our mid-30s is you start to build repetitions and you start to have seen the resume of failures, maybe pivot into good lessons that you've learned. This was kind of the heart of my podcast redirected was like, hey, not everything works out the way you think it will, but are you able to pivot? Are you able to learn? Are you able to grow? So we just thought we'd get vulnerable and share some of our biggest failures. Yes. This is also something we're trying to teach our kids

heavily. That's right. We want to encourage them to fail. We want them to not feel like they need to be embarrassed by it or set back by it. Like it actually is a beneficial thing to experience. That's right. I feel like the most meaningful seasons in our life have been full of failure. Yeah. You know? I would also say, especially with our kids and how we have started to raise them, I feel like I have noticed that they do handle failure well.

There aren't many times with our kids that we're seeing like a massive frustration with like mistakes or being unable to do something. They've really kind of built a resiliency already. I'm just curious now how we take that into the rest of their. Childhood. Yeah. And I feel like it's a conversation that a lot of parents are trying to have. And we actually started watching Gabby's Doll House, which is a show on Netflix.

It's one of our daughter's favorite shows. She has all the toys. And what I love about this show is that they talk about that growth mindset. They kind of coined the term failing fantastically. And we had the opportunity to meet the voices behind Gabby and her little sister. Doozie. That's right. Doozie is a new character.

Yes. On this season, which is season 14. And their show is all about embracing mistakes, trying again, and finding creative ways to learn. In talking about failure and failing fantastically, which our daughter taught us came from Gabby's Dollhouse. We thought what better way to talk about today's topic than to talk to Gabby herself. It's so fun. Our daughter is obsessed with Gabby's Dollhouse. There are so many great lessons to be learned from them.

And the show, I love their scripts. I love everything that that show kind of like embodies and what they teach children. So today we actually have the voices behind Gabby herself and her little sister, Dozie from Gabby's Dollhouse, to talk about the growth mindset, the failing fantastically and everything that that beautiful show has to talk about. Yeah. And we hope that if you have kids, you'll learn something from these two. And maybe even consider watching the show together as a family.

Gabby's Dollhouse is on Netflix. Season 14 is coming out. has cats, dogs, and a lot of fun characters. So let's jump into this quick interview with Lila and Celestina, who are the voices behind Gabby and her little sister Doozzie and Netflix's Gabby's Dollhouse. I want to thank both of you, both of you being, there's a huge announcement this season.

Oh, yeah? Season 14, debuting on September 14th. Yes. The Dollhouse is bringing in. So to start, Lila, you are the vet here. You have been the main character and voice and lead of Gabby's Dollhouse since 2021. Did I get that right? Mm-hmm.

That's correct. How did that come about? And tell us a little bit more about why it's such a passion of yours. It came out in 2021. It came out, but we started recording in 2019. And it was a really cool journey for me because when I got the audition, I saw it was all about cats. And it was from Dreamworks. I was like, those are two my favorite things ever.

So I just had a lot of fun. Like I put my cat in my audition. I had a little puppet panda that I found for Pandy. And I found out that I got the role on my birthday, on my 11th birthday, which was really cool. Since then, it's just become this insane thing where I guess people really have connected and getting to grow with Gabby in like the Gabby's world has been so incredible. Because there's just so much like great messages about the group. growth mindset and, you know, failing fantastically that I think are so important. And I feel like

having those messages and great in me has like helped create this whole wonderful world. It's been, it's been really cool. I love how many wonderful subliminal messages are tied within the show as parents to a six-year-old daughter who has all the toys from Gabby's Doll House and watches all the episodes. I want to thank both of you, both of you being there's a huge announcement this season. Oh, yeah? Season 14, debuting on September 14th.

Gabby's Dollhouse is bringing in some dolls and Gabby's little sister. We have a big surprise. Yes, this season 14 has got to be our biggest surprise yet because Gabby is getting a little sister who is played by the wonderful Celestina. And I am so excited for everybody to find out. Do you want to meet my little sister doozy? The sister fun has just begun. It's an all-new-new-season of Gabby's dollhouse.

Sean and I were bored one evening after dinner, and we did a math problem of trying to figure out how many different times Sean had practiced certain gymnastics moves and how many failures she had had before she made it to the Olympics. And it was something like 16,000 repetitions. of trying, sometimes failing and sometimes succeeding. But the important part was that she continued to press on and continued learning and growing. And I do love that about the show.

But I want to hear about Doozie because we have two dogs in our house. We have Oakley, who's a golden retriever. And Nash has been with us now for 13 years, also a golden retriever. But I don't hear about Doozie. Doosie is just a very fun puppy lover. She's just so energetic and creative. and I would say she's like me because I love having everything upbeat. I love just having fun.

I love dogs. But Gabby has really inspired her to be the person she is because Gabby shows her throughout the episodes that it's okay to feel because you could still keep on pursuing, keep on trying, and she is just a really good lesson for a doozy. I hear there's a lot of new characters, being introduced and more surprises coming. But can you tell us about a couple of them?

Yeah, so obviously we have my best puppy pal puggy and my cakey, which is cream pop. Juzy and puggy! Hi everybody. It's for a little puggy-wuggy. They both are, we all are so excited to just shrink into the dollhouse for the very first time. and everybody is most of the cats are very welcoming but there is one little kitty cat that needs a little bit more I wonder who I wonder who it is but yeah they just need a little bit more convincing that dogs and cats can coexist in the same room

I love that I also love the little outfit that he's wearing with like the polka son oh yeah the little puggy is very cute I can also see in the future my kids asking for some toys in that style. Buggy pajamas. Oh, yes. I'd say coming from two parents who have three kids, all we can say is thank you, and we are so excited for this new season.

It comes out on Netflix, season 14, September 14th. You have Gabby and her little sister. So we're really excited to watch it with our kiddos, and we are so excited for both of you. Congratulations. And for those listening, who want to watch season 14 of Gabby's

On Netflix, you can turn it on on September 14th. Is that right? And we'll have a lot of fun characters for you to check out. It helps us get excited to turn something on with the family that we can all watch. And you know that there's some really great takeaways that you can get from the show. And you guys are perfect for that as characters and all the messaging is amazing. So thank you guys. I feel so spoiled when we get to talk with those type of people.

I know. Also, it's crazy to me that they're so young and they've done so much. and they're also so wise and their answers. I love to hear the younger generation truly being so intentional and how they impact the generation below them. And as a parent, it just makes me feel good about some of the stuff that our kids are watching. Yeah.

Maybe help prevent people from failing in really the heart-wrenching ways. I feel like we had some heart-wrenching failures, you know. We have, which brings us to the meat of this conversation, which is some of our, let's not. get too deep here and like really air out dirty longer. Yeah. But some of our biggest failures and what we learned from them and how we moved forward from them.

So Andrew. You want me to start? Obviously. Okay. Well, the first one that comes to mind, I have a whole list here of my failures, by the way. We won't share all of them. It's a long, extensive list of failures. But as far as our relationship together, there was a lesson that I learned about kind of

responsibility and financial stewardship when I was 21, just came out of college, signed my first professional football contract, didn't know anything about payment terms or timing, and I got a signing bonus from the chiefs when I signed with them. And I turned around, like a week after I signed and bought an engagement ring for all the amount that I got my signing a bonus for. Who's your body engaged ring for? You. Spent every dime of it. But had the check hit your bank? Check and I hit my bank, bank yet.

And I was negative dollars for, yeah, for the first time of my life, which is a stressful, a stressful place to be. It was worth it, obviously, but definitely a lesson that I had to learn as far as, like, knowing kind of the cadence of that and really digging into, hey, if you don't have the money in your account, just assume it won't be there, maybe, you know? Yeah. I do think there, I mean, we could really dive into that and talk about finances of like credit and loaned money and like the interest and stuff. Yeah, which I'm pretty conservative with. You are, but we don't always have to assume like you don't always have to spend when the money's there, though that might be a smarter option.

I'm curious to hear the audiences. I'm curious to hear all y'all's take on this. but I do feel like there's a certain aspect of faith and trust of, you know, the Lord's going to dress the lilies of the field will be okay too, yes, but also. But also. If you don't have the money yet, or if you don't know when it's going to come in. Yeah. Then don't spend it. Our entire career.

But I do. I will say I will never forget how stressed you were in that phase. and I'm sorry, you know, it was simultaneously the greatest, one of the greatest phases of my life and also maybe the most stressful phase of your life. I tried not to let that bleed over into how I related to you. Did it? I was stressed. I knew you were stressed.

I literally think, though, did the bank account, like the app had like a red number? I'm like, oh my gosh, this is stressful. Why'd they have to make it red, too? Just like an extra slap in the face. You know what, though? I think something that you. you learned from that lesson is, I'm not sure you've ever put yourself back in that position,

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We think you'll be pleasantly surprised. Okay, my first one that I want to talk about. I'm going to go progressively kind of through life. I'm going to start back and... I think it was second grade. Isn't it funny how some of these, like, make an impact? Second grade, my favorite subject is math. I love it.

I love numbers. I love numbers more than anything. I love my favorite pastime is Suduko. I don't even know how to say that. Maybe that's my favorite game. Sudoku, Sudoku. Love numbers. But I'm also highly competitive, kind of to an unhealthy.

sent. In second grade, we would do these tests, timed tests. And there was incentives for like whoever won them got like, whatever, candy or something. And it was multiplication. So we would go through the multiplication tables. Do you remember that? So like one times nine, one, whatever. Loved it. It's like a competition. Yeah. You do your two's, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, science, whatever. And it was a competition of who could get through the charts the fastest. And I remember, I don't know why, but like the six times seven, seven times eight always got me. Couldn't figure it out. Couldn't like get through that fast. So I cheated. And I wrote those two answers in like on a tiny little piece of paper inside my desk.

Remember the desk so they opened? Yeah. And it was just those. And I wrote it. I love those desk. Yeah, I love those desks. And went through the whole chart and it's so funny because I was such a good student. I was like teacher's pet perfect student. And on that, I cheated that one time. And you know what? I got caught mid-test too. That's a bad feeling. Second grade. It's a bad feeling. And I will never forget Mrs. Claus of all names. Like, that was your teacher's name? That was my teacher's name. Pulling me out of class. And they had these pods at our school where it had like a, it had phones in them, where you would call. And she walked me straight to the phone.

She said, you'll call your mom. You'll tell her exactly what she did. And you'll have her come pick you up. I will never forget that feeling. Did it tighten you up after? Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's a bad feeling.

Really bad. And it's funny. I think I went on to become an even harder worker after that. but that feeling of like seeing my mom's face and hearing her voice and knowing now like she's at work and you know has to leave work because her child did this it was just it was really that was a really bad failure that I probably would not take back because I learned so much from it but that was the heck of feeling I was going to say that's lower stakes and my failure that I shared but I think to our point about this episode in general,

that redirects you and kind of pivot you to say, okay, you know, we all have these little moments where we'll bump up against the edge of what we're supposed to do or what we should do. And then it's like you got to redirect. Do we all wish we could go through life and not fail at anything? Absolutely. To a certain extent.

Because it's uncomfortable. I mean, it's like, I know that feeling when you say the teacher caught you, you're like, ugh, it's worst. And there's, there are bad failures in life. I don't want to say there's worse than others, but like, yes, there are worse failures than others. But I truly believe they're only bad if you choose not to change from them. I think they're great compasses in life.

I would prefer to have not failed at many things and had to self-reflect on my misgivings and but yet it has made me, all of them, has made me a better human. It's made me a better mom, a better wife, better friend to have failed bad at things. Yeah. And said, dang, I actually don't like how that felt. I don't like how I made someone feel.

Yeah. And I never want to feel that again. Because the idea is if you fail often and fail early, then it kind of set you up for walking down the right path and compounding the right things for the rest of your life, which can result in great things. That's kind of what our book's about. Yeah.

But do you wish these type of failures on our kids? All right, I got to ask you, what's the one thing you've become weirdly consistent about every morning? Honestly, I'd say getting outside for a few minutes. Even if it's just sitting on the porch with my coffee before the day gets going, it helps me wake up, it helps me reset, and feel like I've started the day off on the right foot. Honestly, mine's pretty similar.

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But I also know that if I can be a good enough parent to them in those moments, that we can raise them to be strong enough to get through those and be better for it. This is a whole different conversation, but parenting in those moments of failures, like what does your mom do when she picks you up after getting a call that you cheated? Is it a stern reprimand?

Is it a, hey, I'm glad you learned this gently. I guess it's maybe kid by kid. I think it's kid by kid. We know for a say it's kid by kid. I watched the funniest Instagram real the other day where it was basically like, there are some kids you can't gentle parent because they don't respond to it.

But my mom in that situation was very, she was both stern and gentle at the same time. It was not a massive reprimand, you know. I felt yucky. It felt terrible. But you want to drive the lesson home? Yeah. And it was, I can't believe you would do that.

I'm disappointed that you did that. That hurt. That hurts. Why is that so much worse? It hurts. I would rather you be mad than disappointed, you know. But it was enough to drive home the point. What's your next one?

Maybe we just do like four. Because I have, now that you're saying these stories, they're just starting to pile up. And I'm like, oh, man, we could have a long episode here. I thought of this one, as you were saying, the academic integrity thing. And part of me is like, man, I wish. Like, it's tough when when you're not up to the intellectual standard of the class. My freshman year of Andy, I legitimately failed, got an F at the end of the semester, three of my first four classes in college.

And I came out of high school, a really good student had above a 4.0. It was kind of easy for me. College was a whole different game where I feel like in high school, the teacher, says everything that you need to know while you're in class. In college, it's not the case. You're supposed to learn. And then you show up the class and it's kind of like an overview or a debrief. And I just didn't have the reps at doing the at home work that it was required.

And I was playing football and I was on a new city. I was trying to make all these new friends. And it's just an overwhelming period. Which I think is that freshman year of college is kind of unanimously tough. and I failed three of my first four classes. My football coach was so upset at me. Coach Caldwell. And I was,

I tore my hamstring in football. It was just like a mix of a ton of difficult things. And my lesson there was, you got to get up the speed. And there's like a, there's probably a transition period. Like I had that first semester. but you can't you can't keep going on the same way you've been going and as much as I wanted

to transfer out of Andy because everything was going so poorly it's like no you stick with it you make the changes and you press on and then sure enough I ended up graduating early from Mandy loved playing football with honors all the things but but it hurts so bad I remember sitting with my teachers going to get extra tutoring to trying to do all the things and it wasn't working like i was failing my classes despite me trying to do all these things and it just is like it makes you think ah well maybe what if i what if i did just have a little note during the test and like put your feet to the fire a little bit anyway you just needed a hug that's that's about when we met um i don't know why that

That made me think of like, again, this is unlocking a lot where you start thinking back to I actually think failures are like defining moments of your life. They truly drive you in a better direction or a worse one. I am so grateful as I'm starting to just go through the Rolodex of failures. Like, like we have used those as positively defining, not like crippling, oh my gosh, I ruined everything at that moment, you know. But I'm thinking back only because now us being parents and looking at our kids. A very unique situation that my parents ran with me was a lot of times when I was facing failure.

I was not with them. I was somewhere around the world by myself with a team traveling. And I think one of the most beautiful things that maybe my parents were forced. to do because of that is they couldn't come save me from it. They were my support system, and they would talk me through, you know, what it was I did or how to get through it or whatever, but then it was now it's your job to go do it, which taught me so much at such young age of, I got myself in this and I'm going to have to get myself out. I even remember the second grade cheating.

My mom had the big conversation with me instead of my dad at home. And then I was made to go back in. And I had to talk to the teacher. And I had to talk to every single person that impacted, basically. My mom was not going in to talk. Yeah. You know.

Which would be hard as a parent, you know? It would. Because we've had an instance where you're trying to call parents and like, you know, try to paint the picture, Rosie and oh my gosh, apologize on behalf of the family or something like that. We would never. That's not what we do. And maybe there's a time in place for that. Another one that comes to mind for me. You're going like later in life.

I'm working my way there. So next one that felt defining to me was world championships, gymnastics. I think I've told you the story before. I got there, and summary of the story was like I qualified to like the metal round of many different apparatuses. But like, Beam was my best. It was my easiest. As far as like, if I locked in and did it, I was really good. And metal round day, I just got, I don't want to say too confident, but I got too comfortable.

And I fell three times at the medal round. And it feels different there, and it felt different there, because one, it was my mistake, but it did not just affect me because I was there on behalf of our country. And I was there on behalf of my team. And world championships is where you qualify to the Olympics as a country. And so there were like bigger stakes at it. So I wasn't just disappointing myself.

I was disappointed in the team. And I remember I was a very stoic competitor when it came to like, I didn't show much emotion except when I was done. I was really happy. And within the like stoic training, you were not allowed to show like a lot of emotion. And I remember that was the first time I got down off of my performance. And I could see it in my coach's eyes. He was just like, it was just a look.

And it was a look of like, yeah. Yeah, you did that, you know. He didn't have to say anything, but I could see it. It was like, brick. Yeah. And I remember I just broke. Like on, he could see. I was like breaking.

I had like welled up tears in my eyes. And he said, this one was on you. He said, you can go back there. And I remember he pointed, I don't remember where it was. In my brain, it's like under a back stadium or something. He's like, you can go back there. I'll give you 20 minutes. You can go cry.

You can do what you need. But then you will come back here and you'll show up for your team on the next one. And it was like a, I know you're hurting. I know this is a hard lesson. Go feel it. Now come back. And I want the next one. Okay.

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There is a bit of that that's unnatural. And I don't think it would be like you dealt with it about as well as you could. Yeah. But I think it's probably too high stakes for the age. Yeah, for sure. And so ideally, like with our kids, hopefully we're able to acclimate them. maybe more progressively. It also makes it interesting for me as a parent

because I don't, because I don't know because I was introduced and meant to deal, left to deal with probably more than I should have handled at a young age, it makes it hard for me to gauge what is appropriate for our kids. Fortunately, I think we're both on the same page, though, that we would way rather prepare our kids

than protect them. For sure. And I think everything from letting them climb the stairs when they're just crawling and not walking and not immediately impulsively pulling them off the stairs. But also being there next to them. I think we have done a good job at introducing them to what their limits are and letting them feel that. But hopefully we don't have to throw on them to have them shoulder greater responsibility than is beyond their limits.

I know there was some heartbreak. through those years as well for you. But, okay. Another one. Another one. One failure that I had, this was back to my rookie year, failing with the chiefs. And actually my whole professional career,

this is kind of the lesson that unfolded. It is just not trusting your preparation. I think it's super important that you prepare. that you're the most prepared person. But then I also think that when it's game time or time to execute, like, there is a humility to kind of trusting your coaches and also what you've prepared for. You know what I'm saying? I think there needs to kind of be like this release of like, hey, you know what?

I don't need to stress now. Like now is not the time to say, oh, shoot, we've got to change X. and everything from wearing gloves when I never had to just like overthinking and ruminating on every rep. But the specific moment was that December, I got a call from the chiefs and the Cardinals after months of free agency, both of them wanted me to sign. I chose the Seahawks. And fast forward a couple months, the Cardinals Snapper got hurt and they signed a different guy and they wanted me, and I kind of took myself out of the pool because I chose a different team.

And that failure hurt because I was like, man, my NFL career could have been so much different because, or if only I would have chosen the Cardinals instead of the Seahawks. And I think that failure taught me that you control what you can control, and then there are certain things that are out of your control, and you can't, don't beat yourself over those, you know? And maybe part of that's like a mind game,

of like, oh, maybe part of that was my responsibility, certain due diligence things I should have looked into or whatever when I was making that decision. But I think the way I cope with it, Elise, is saying, shoot, well, I was just out of my control. Not necessarily bad luck, but like, dang, there are certain things that are out of my control. And that's okay, you know, that's okay.

Keep pressing on. That's what that failure taught me. It's interesting hearing you say that. just talking about your NFL and how you paint that picture. We had an interesting experience with one of our kids last night where they were being celebrated by people around them for doing a good job and for working hard. And it was fascinating.

We still haven't really figured this out, but it really bothered them, the celebration to the point of tears. they got called up to like a new class because they were doing such a good job yeah and we had a big conversation with them about this idea that you don't have to enjoy something you don't even have to go back but you should be proud of yourself for your own work and you should allow people to celebrate you and you should do that with the NFL Andrew oh and I have no regrets looking back these are the lessons that taught me Okay. One thing that we were talking to our child about in that situation was like God's giving you treasures. And when you have appropriate pride in those treasures and you don't hide your light under a bushel, it blesses others, you know? So then we had to talk about humility and we define it as giving credit where credits do. It's not pretending that you don't have anything to give credit for. It's not giving credit to yourself. It's like, hey, yeah, I,

This is a fun talent that I have. You did a great job in your NFL career. I appreciate that. You should. Thank you. Celebrate that. One more each. One more each.

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I think it kind of plays into the one that you just said. But I remember my retirement, so my final retirement of gymnastics, I was 19 years old. It's coming off of injuries and surgeries and really kind of budding heads with a lot of like the program and a lot of the process of like competing. I was really trying to like preserve and protect my body and my performance. Like do the best. I was going about it in like a very strategic manner and trying to like do it the right way. I knew how I could train to give the best result and everything. And the failing fantastically reverse engineering this for this answer is I was faced for probably the first time in my

career with people telling telling me I had failed them. Does that make sense? I remember very, very clearly having a face-to-face reprimand from someone saying I had failed them and I had failed the team. And I think a failure that you have to learn in life is that and knowing if it's accurate or not. And I remember maybe because of like the failures that I had gone through and the self-reflection of like what we're talking about, of going through the second grade failure and the world championship failure and all these things. And having to self-reflect and be like, what did I do? How can I own it? How can I change it? How I can get better? It was the first time I was faced with someone saying I had failed and I knew they were wrong.

and I think all of those failures had kind of led me to a point where I could not necessarily absorb it, but listen to it. And in my heart be like, I think this is your failure right now. And maybe when you're going to have to reflect on someday. But I remember just standing there and thinking, you know what, I have done everything I can up until this point. and I know I'm not wrong. And I didn't have to say it and I didn't say it. But I remember being really proud of being able to feel that. And no, this is not my failure.

That's beautiful. Yeah. It's a fine line because it can come off as defiant or stubborn or self-assured. Yes. In certain situations. And I think a lot of people, I don't know, like online guru, will say, oh, you just got to like, don't let anybody tell you what to do. Is your life, you call the shot.

I don't like that perspective on life, because I think coaches, mentors, parents, teachers, all have a wonderful perspective. And that's a fragile relationship because, sure, they're imperfect and they might be guiding you wrong and heaven forbid they are. But like, I agree that's part of growing up is, like, like understanding that it's not defiance, it's conviction and where you're headed

and what you need to do. But it's fragile because you're like, yeah, for one person in one situation, it might be totally different for another person in another situation. Absolutely. But I respect how you want about it again. Yeah.

I love this conversation. This is great. I'll end with a dumb one. Okay. In high school, I had just signed my scholarship offer with Vandy, had this dream. dream come true. This is a pattern in my life, I think. It's like, I just, I don't take it easy and I,

really? In some ways, can self-sabitized. It's kind of like your first Washington commanders practice for the night before you run am I. We could talk about that. Yeah, yeah. That should make the list, too. Yeah. Just signed my scholarship offer. And months earlier, my high school friends and I had buried a time capsule in the soccer field. Oh my gosh, Andrew. And so this was like really weak. This is what has happened? Yeah. And so we go middle of the night.

We're like, we have to take up this time capsule, which I think it was our intention to leave it there for a couple of years, but we were just so excited to see what we put in there. And so we go out there, jump this fence in our high school, get our shovels, dig it up. It was snowing. There's mud prints everywhere. Like you could see clear stay where we were. We dig it up, come back all sloshy muddy and broke the ball. box. So the time capsule was ruined. I think we had a Harry Potter poster in there and a CD

and whatever and a cop was waiting for us out there. Oh my gosh. I thought I was going to jail. And I almost did. I almost did. If it wasn't for the grace and generosity of several other people in my life, the cop would have been way shorter patience with me. But he talked to, I think, a teacher. I might have talked to my mom. This is at like 2 a.m. What's also hysterical is like in the grand scheme of things, you hopped a fence to a football field and dug up a time capsule that had a Harry Potter place.

Yeah, it's so Andrew. It's so Andrew coded. But also so childish where it's like, why would any cop ever want to take you to jail? Well, because we were, you know, trespassing. I think the lesson that I learned from that, though, is... To abide by the law. Not everything's a game, you know?

playfulness is one of our family values we learned this yet sometimes I overdo it and I mean I don't mean it disrespectfully when I'm treating things as a game but it can definitely come off like you mean and sometimes everything's a suggestion I am for sure and ask for forgiveness rather than permission type of guy even as it pertains to the law that's not as best strategy not as the best strategy so anyway um this has been fun Yeah, I love this conversation. Also, absolutely loved talking to Lila and Celestina. If you all are parents out there and have some kids,

Gabby's dollhouse has a wonderful script and narrative to it. And we are really excited for season 14 to come out on September 14th on Netflix. So highly recommend you tune in. Yeah. So far, the episodes have all been about Gabby and her cats and now Gabby's younger sister, Doosy and her dog. are a part of the show. So check that out. I also am curious what one failure is that you are

grateful for listening, that you would have maybe never chosen to have that failure happen in the moment. But let us know in the comments or DMs or emails. We love checking those out. And onwards. Thanks for listening. I'm Andrew. Until next time.