Couple Things with Shawn and Andrew - 329 | what changed after having kids

Episode Date: September 17, 2026

what actually changes after having kids? from our marriage and friendships to our priorities, routines, and the little things we never saw coming, we’re talking about all the ways becoming parents has changed our lives. the good, the hard, the hilarious, and everything in between. what surprised us most, what we miss about life before kids, and what we wouldn’t trade for the world. what changed you the most after having kids? and if you don’t have kids, what do you think would change the most if you did? love you guys! shawn & andrew → Branch Basics is available at Target, Target.com, Amazon, and https://branchbasics.com. Get 15% off the Home Essentials Kit with code EASTFAM! → Head to https://nobltravel.com for up to 46% off your entire order. And when they ask where you heard about NOBL, tell them Shawn and Andrew from Couple Things sent you! → For a limited time, get 40% off select Lola Blankets products with code EASTFAM at https://lolablankets.com → If you want a faith-first place where your kids can watch, listen, and learn, head to https://gominno.com and start your FREE 7-day trial today. (00:00) 62 people under one roof: family reunion (06:38) no more “selfishness” (13:13) the identity shift (16:30) marrying a “new person” + sharing your best friend (20:48) a whole new number of tasks + styles (23:50) “hyper-ultra-rigidness” (26:00) appreciating time in a new way (28:00) new worries + ambitions (33:10) being intentional with our health (34:13) how friendships change (35:27) stress, control + risk (36:40) how faith has changed (37:25) how relationships with parents change (39:00) what do I actually care about? (40:25) kids are a delayed mirror Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Frick, this really is hard. There's a lot that you've got to balance as a parent. Is that a burden? Are you alluding to that? Am I going to lose my best friend? Not in a morbid sense of like, you know, passing away. But introducing this baby, am I going to lose you as my best friend? What's up, everybody?

Welcome back to a couple things. With Sean and Andrew. Today we are talking about what changed after kids. Yeah. We were thinking about this and how beautiful life is now. We just got back from a family reunion for three nights with 12 of my cousins and 30-some-odd young kids that we've all had. Do you know how many it was total? 62.

62. 62 people under one roof. Yep. We go to Pigeon Forge every two years and do this. And there's 30-some bedroom. We have so many people have I've been posting about this. People ask how do we do this. And let me just riff a little.

Okay. Go ahead. People have been curious. But we rent this 30 bedroom lodge, which is epic. It has. Well, Galingberg is just like a crazy place. I love it.

You go and there's guerrillas on buildings and old school diners and the pirate ship and then roller coasters. I said if Andrew's soul was a city, it would be Galingberg. It is nonsense of excitement for me. But one cool thing about Gatlinburg is they have these crazy like Airbnb since it's such a tourist destination. So there's pretty much like this private hotel cabin that you can rent. If you want to look it up, it's called the Grand LeCont Lodge and Pigeon Forge.

But within our family, so this is Andrew's mom's side. We are so organized. It is my love language, how organized this group of people is. are we organize by generation. So we have G2, which is your parents. Yes. Generation. G3, which is our generation.

G4, which is under us, our kids. And then. It's planned over the course of a year. Kind of. Mostly, like, it's like an email chain for a long time. But what basically happens is G2 selects the planning committee. Planning committee changes every two years. but there's one head of the planning committee

and they kind of select their two people. So it's like three. And then the planning committee selects the subcommittee. We should share this. We should share this. Yeah. But we have committees for food. We have committees for scheduling.

We have committees for activity. We have committees for rooming and housing. Like how do you divvy up the rooms and where are they going to go? We have another committee for cleanups. and then another committee for teams. And another cleanup for family sharing and like stories. Yes. And like the also another committee for finances,

how we divvied this all up. Yes. And that kind of gets subdivided out probably a year in advance. And then you have like a full year with your committee to figure things out. I was on the food committee back to back, which makes me think that I am a hot commodity for food. That is the toughest committee. I love it.

Yeah. But I'd say we started planning food, probably a month ago, two months ago, so not super long. But you figure out how much is needed and who's taking over what. Anyways, it is an A plus trip. Our kids said, can we do this more? You know, it takes all logistics, but it was incredible. Yeah, it's a blast.

And we went out there for three nights. And we were realizing, man, life looks so good now. It also looks so different this year than two years ago. Yeah. Where the kids just kind of ran out and did their own. thing two years ago we had to like be really hands on and make sure that the stairs were protected and yada yada yada but and that was us personally though because yes there are new babies introduced already into the family but for us personally we had such a different experience because ours were

i don't want to say self-sufficient but we are not in the like super hazardous infant i feel like the family reunion was so beneficial official because in the same room you'll have a 74 year old aunt and then a brand new baby and we do this family sharing time over the course of an hour like every family will stand up and share about what's going on in the past year what they're excited about and how the kids are doing they'll do like a prayer request and like this is something that's we're struggling with or we just need support with And honestly, the amount of color that is added, the richness, as some might say, when you hear someone who's later on in life talk about the things that they're excited about versus the younger people, it's just beautiful. I think it increased my appreciation for our phase of life that we're in.

I think it increases your perspective or allows you to kind of zoom out. It's also helpful just to see other people and grow up with other people and say, oh man, I can't. believe that little wilson's already two and you kind of just get this understanding that things come in seasons and the good seasons come and go and the bad seasons come and go and like and then to have all these stories to make fun of each other for and you know share advice through and yada yada is really good but john and i were thinking about how kids change a lot of life and it's not just like this added list of responsibilities and tasks that's added to your life. kids really change a lot of things.

And so we want to walk through some of the things that having kids does change. And I think that hopefully in this episode, there'll be what we've learned through, the experiences we've learned through. And hopefully maybe y'all can either look forward to some of those changes or share some of the things that have changed for you that we didn't list through. through here, so feel free to comment.

We've also done episodes before about people who don't have kids or don't want kids, and this isn't us trying to convince you to have children. This is just our perspective and what changed for us and how it's evolved. But I do want to start with the, like, number one thing for me. Okay. With kids. Okay. Or the thing that changed.

The biggest difference before kids after kids. And you and I have talked about this a lot. but I think the biggest, most immediate difference was this lifestyle change of going from two people who are adults who can function on their own and who can be independent. And we could be 100% selfish with our time. Meaning, if we just don't feel like going into work today,

are there potentially consequences or repercussions? Sure. But we don't have to. could I skip dinner tonight? Sure. I'm the only person who has to live with that consequence, right? There's just like a hundred percent selfishness is possible. You can do whatever you want, whenever you want.

And then you have kids and you switch this mentality of like, I could binge watch Netflix for the next 10 hours. You switch it to, I no longer have that choice because now I have a, a human that's dependent on me. So there's no more like selfishness or not nearly as much. Not to derail us, but can we, I'm just curious because we've never talked about this. The way you phrase that, something about the way you phrase that made me think like, I don't know, of mom guilt or the pressure of mom carries the burden of like always this

subconscious list of to-dos or what you could be doing or improving or, or preparing for your child, whether that's playing the right music so that they're developing in your womb to making sure that their homework is done and prepared to their backpack and whatever. Do you feel like that's like a... Is that a burden?

Are you alluding to that? Like the... It's the antithesis of the phase that we were in before kids, which is... I don't think it's a burden. Okay. Sorry, I didn't mean to interact.

No, it's good. I don't see it as a burden. I think it was the most drastic difference of lifestyle. Does that make sense? Is there a healthy amount of which to assume that? You know what I'm saying? Maybe this is not like a blanket statement to anybody who goes from not having children to having children. But maybe this is just how I'm wired and this is what I'm realizing is like I am such an obsessive all in person.

I obsess over things. I try to perfect them. I try to figure out, I was, I probably way over-indexed in the selfishness before kids. But then because of my tendencies after kids, I way probably over-index and what you would call this, what you thought was like the burden, what I was talking about, which is like this lifestyle of like selflessness and service. So trying to go from one to the other for me felt so drastic of

I feel like such a harsh realization of I did nothing but think of myself First of all I would not use the term selfish To describe you before I also think you've in a lot of ways Lived a life of service to the things that you've been involved in a fierce capacity I don't also mean it in a way to put myself down

But wow, we're not spiraling here, but going down into a direction I wasn't expecting, which is like, we've talked about this. I've been very open with like eating disorders and addictions and black holes that my brain would go down. And I honestly think it's because I way over indexed and obsessing over like the selfishness of my life. And I use selfishness not in like a, I wasn't like a bad human being in the selfishness of like I couldn't care for others. It was just all I ever thought about and not consumed me is what do I need to be doing for myself right now to make myself a better person, a better looking person, a whatever it was. And that consumed every ounce of my day. Fast forward, have children. I didn't have that time because now I was over-indexing and thinking about serving our children and taking care of them.

And it was just a very different lifestyle. Do you think having kids helped you through some of those things you just listed? Oh my gosh. Me personally, not saying that's what kids do. Kids are not meant to heal you. Yeah. It gave me, they gave me my life back. Because it shifted your focus.

Yeah. Interesting. Thank you for exploring that. So the first thing that changes what you're saying is like the psychological focus. Yeah. That you had. Interesting. What would you?

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And fast forward to having kids, you just can't do that and feel justified with it. And so it's like focusing on, well, which things should I be doing and saying no to the rest. And I do think as a father, it was really interesting. I resonated with that because, you know, you always joke that every time we've had a kid, I've gone through this experience of like, oh my gosh, something needs to change. Maybe it's start something new.

Maybe it's in something. Which I totally understand when it happens, why your brain is wired that way. Yeah. Because you're like the provider and you feel this huge transition of, are we good? It was interesting.

Yeah, in a lot of ways, it was more situationally or outwardly focused of like, okay, do we have all of our ducks in a row? Do we have the right card? Is the house right? Is a room right? Is this? And it's like the situation, which I think allowed for some pretty good teamwork. So I'm with you on the psychological shift.

The first thing I would list it, though, is the identity that we had. shifted. It is like, I don't know. It's just a pivotal moment where you're like, okay, I now have a child and it hits you so much harder

than like standing at the altar for some reason. I feel like of this is a person I am here to take care of and I am excited about it. At the altar, I mean, when I propose, I said, can I serve you and the Lord together forever?

And I think this idea of service was inherent and voluntary and I was excited about it and and then at the altar more of that. But when I had a kid, it was like, oh my gosh, okay, dad mode. You're responsible for that person. Yeah. And it's so much more apparent, I guess. Yeah. I think it's so much more scary or so much scarier as well.

Yeah. I feel like to a certain extent when you're facing another adult at the altar, you're to a certain extent saying like this is a choice we're going to do this but god forbid anything happens like we're just two adults you know you don't need me yeah yeah there's a deep cut deep cut there for a kid it's like when you have a kid you're like wow this human needs me yeah that's a scary feeling yeah and also the identity of like your focus on ambition or careers or professional this or that It's like none of that. That all takes such a back seat as soon as you hear that baby cry for the first time in the delivery room.

Or kids screaming as we're hearing. Yeah, exactly. The identity, I think, also goes into what I would call like the other big lifestyle change that I think nobody warns you about after kids, which is if you are similar to us where you have like two spouses going into a marriage, we get married, we kind of figure your life out. in the first couple of years of like how we operate together in a marriage yeah yeah we spent two or three years figuring figuring it out marriage and to a certain extent i don't want to say we figured it out but like we found a group had a good little rhythm we knew how much space we needed each of us we knew how we lived within a household we knew our personalities we like all of these things we kind of gotten into a group we would split time between national and l.a i would do like two-hour workout

And then we'd have nice slow mornings. We could disappear for hours at an end, not in a sketchy way, but just like, we could just do our, we could do our life. Yeah. And then when you have a kid or kids, and it changes your identity as individuals, right, which is what Andrew just talked about. It changes your identity. You go from like, you just have to deal with kind of identity crisis to a certain extent because you become a different human. You become a parent. but now as spouses who both have new identities you almost like i don't want to say start over

but like it's like you immediately become married to a new person and then on top of that dynamic change you have a human to share your most coveted person with does that make sense like you're adding another person to your marriage yeah so much much changes between the dynamic of a marriage after a kid and nobody talks about it. And I'm not even saying it's bad. It's just it was so new and not anything I had prepared for. I remember driving to the hospital to have Drew our first and legitimately being nervous. It was like, am I going to lose my best friend?

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That's LolaBlancets.com code Eastfam. L-O-L-A Blankets.com, code EastFam. When they ask you where you heard about Lola, please tell them we sent you. I think we're doing great. I'd say two and a half years in to our third kid, I feel like I have come back up for air. I feel like skies are blue again. I feel like I got over, got through the postpartum phase.

And I feel like myself again. I feel energized and excited. And I feel a new excitement with you. Not that I didn't, but it's like now I have the capacity in my brain to have fun. I'm going to share. do you think we're doing first really good and i'll explain why and i'm grateful for it but i'm going to share two more things that have changed and then circle back to answer that yes i would say the

an additional thing that changed is just like the sheer number of tasks that need to be worked through on a daily basis it's like you got to do all the tasks associated with your work whatever that looks like and then there's like you know in the early phases washing bottles making the bottle we had do you remember all the washing the bottles the what washing the bottles Do I remember that? I just think they remember one night me just crying washing bottles. Yeah, it's considering, okay,

childcare, how are we scheduling that? What child care are they going to go to? It's the clothes, it's the all these things. You know, babyproofing X, Y, and Z, getting this ready in the room, ordering more supplies for the diapers or whatever. So like that changed? And I'll bring it back to the previous one,

except. in a second, but also the style changes massively, along with, you know, in the marriage. I do think it's true that you kind of default back to who your parents were and how you were raised in a lot of different ways. It's just like totally natural and understandable to do that because what else are you going to go off of

other than the one example of parenting that you had and, you know, work through that as much you want, good or bad. but we found this both with each other and with our friend group where we had friends that we were extremely close with before kids and then after we each had kids stylistically it's like this person prefers this food we prefer this food the person doesn't do x y and z detergent we don't do x y and z detergent and oh my gosh it becomes a little sharper distinction and styles um Which was fascinating to me.

I wasn't expecting that. There's a ton of kind of nuanced discussions you'll have about the color of the baby's room to what type of fabric is right for them to wear to all the things in between. I don't want them wearing that diaper for XYZ reasons because of this video I saw or this article I read. And I also will say it is different being married to a mama bear. Like your focus did shift to the kids and it was like intense and it was stylistically different of like, okay, sweet. This is a different approach that needs revered. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

And you need respect it in a whole different way where it's not like for me, I'm just thinking out loud here. So bear with me. Whenever we would have stylistic differences before kids, it was, it felt way more casual. Yeah. And then with kids, there was like some really strongly held beliefs, which it's like those conversations, it took me some time to understand how those conversations should unpack differently. So all that to say, I think to wrap back to how our marriage changed, one thing that's

really helped through the tasks increasing and the styles increasing and, all the things of like the newness that does get added with a kid. I am super glad that we were, we adjusted to be more intentional and scheduled than we were spontaneous. Before we were spontaneous as could be, like you said, it's like disappear for a few hours here or watch this or whatever. And as the task grew and as the need to work through some stylistic differences grew, it was important for us to be intentional to say, hey, let's make sure we go on date night

because we have some conversations that need to be had because they're hard conversations or like we, I think we became ultra routine oriented, which was very helpful for the child and also for us. That went against your natural inclination, though. Being routine. Rigid and routineed and scheduled. I mean, it still does. I know.

So, but I'm curious. My natural inclination. why when did that change for you? Because we had a lot of conversations where the rigidity that I felt was needed, you would push back on. And I'll still own that. I think it does need to be pushed back on.

I think back to the teamwork thing, you will index to ultra rigid. Yeah. Which I think I just said we were. You will index to hyper ultra rigid. And I'll naturally default to spontaneous. Yeah. And the extremes on both sides are not healthy.

So like rigidity when we're on Christmas break with my family and cousins are around. And maybe we don't need to do the hard seven o'clock nap time. You know what I'm saying? Yes. So the appreciation grew, but also I think like a little ebb and flow and understanding of context and situation matters. You know what I'm saying? Did I hit you wrong there?

No. Okay. Okay. So how many is that? five things that's changed so far that we've been i mean everything's changed okay so our marriage changed yeah the different parenting styles is also our time that's like a big one yeah you alluded to it but like our time changes by the sheer volume of tasks that you have so in any given day before kids we had 20 things to do now we probably have 200 and it quickly weeds out the things that are not

important and that you have to get rid of because you don't have the time. So I would say after kids, we had to learn how to become incredibly efficient and productive. And all of those things that you would push off because you just don't want to do them, you just have to do them. And you have to get them done. And so I think it's made us better business men and women. It's made us more appreciative of the time that we do get to spend together because we don't get as much. it's made us more appreciative of the time we get with our kids

because there is so much to do and we use our time more intentionally now than we ever did. And we still have a long way to go. Yeah. But yeah, I think our understanding of, I think we used to feel connected through a quantity time. Yeah.

And now we feel connected through quality time. And so, yeah, we've tried to do things like we've talked before about like morning coffee and bedtime and night and all the things. So it's like really trying to make sure that we're present wherever we are, whether it's in the car with the kids or with each other so that we can have the quality time is good. I would say the things that we worried about changed, things like I think I used to worry about my career or stuff like that. You don't worry about that anymore?

In a totally different way. And like a, there's no edge to it or desperation. The worries shift to the kids, you know. It's like, are they safe? Are we? It's almost like back to the first psychological focus thing where you're like, okay, everything else is reparting.

prioritized and thus my worries are associated with this highest new priority, which is the kids, you know. Is that fair? Mm-hmm. Okay. Do you feel like you've become less ambition-oriented? Yes and no. I feel like I have to balance it a lot.

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I have to ask myself, like, what's worth it, though? What's worth giving up more time with our kids? Which I would argue actually increases the successful outcome of whatever you're doing. Can I go on a soapbox real quick? Yeah. I did this whole study for, my degree for this, trying to just prove that having kids does not hinder or obstruct your career success. Did this study with 160 people about if having kids affects the productivity

and goal orientation of entrepreneurs? The outcome is no. And I think the reason is because you focus on the things that matter the most. Like we were saying with the comedian, And it's like, you're not just, you're not just treading water for the sake of treading water. Like if I'm going to jump in the water, here's how I'm going to swim and here's I'm going to move forward. You know what I'm saying? It's like we've become more efficient in that sense of, nope, nope, nope, not going to do that. Yes, I'm going to spend my limited amount of time crushing that. So I'm glad to hear that.

I like you. You're so bad. Thank you. Appreciate that. I think there's many things, too, that we could go on and on about. everything changes after kids and it's for the better how you travel changes you're not you can be spontaneous but things come with so many logistics and so many extra things the amount of stuff we pack has changed yeah for sure used to be just a backpack on the plane kind of guy and now you got

suitcases strollers car seats maybe you're still a backpack guy with on the plane with checked bags yeah you know but would you bring strollers and all this stuff Yeah. First of all, okay, can I just say this? Another soapbox? If I was going to pack for the kids, it would be okay. It would be way less, but I would have the essentials there, and the kids would be totally fine and happy.

It's not going to have some fancy sound machine that takes up half a suitcase. I would be curious to know what you would consider essentials. At a later date. We should maybe do a YouTube video about that. Your bodies change. Your emotion changes. How you treat your body. How you take care of your body, I think, changes.

Or it changed for us drastically. I feel like we went from being frivolous and kind of like, oh, it doesn't matter to being really intentional with keeping ourselves healthy and prioritizing sleep and, you know, watching what we eat so that our kids are getting good examples. Like, I would argue that. Every single teeny, tiny aspect of our life changed and just became more intentional with kids because we wanted to do it in a way that we felt proud for them to see. Can I list some of other things? Yeah.

It's hard because some of these are like interwellven. So we had listed on here friendships changed for like we said some stylistic differences. Some change for the better. Some change for the worse. Like what? What? What change for the worst? Friendships.

Meaning what? Every time we're with this person, there's this awkward conversation about, oh my gosh, I can't believe you do that with your kid. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So then the natural result is the next step we're not going to hang with them anymore. Yeah.

Slowly, whether it's explicit or just kind of withers, friendships change, which I think is fine. Yeah. Friendships change because at a certain age, our kids now are in school. and all of a sudden that kind of becomes your community as opposed to whoever you went to school with, you know? We've actually had to have these conversations before with friends where it's like, what's wrong? We don't see you anymore.

And it's like, honestly, we do not have time behind, but between kind of like Andrews said, when you start getting to an age where your kids are picking schools, you're kind of picking communities and you start running in circles and in schedules where you're just seeing these people frequently. And we have a lot of friends who live not close and go to different school communities. And that naturally just kind of pulls you apart a little bit.

You don't have that time anymore. And then what school you, well, we're in Tennessee, so there's a whole different school system, but you can, to a certain degree, choose a school you go to, and then the school you go to kind of changes the stylistic differences and amplify those. I would say also my cortisol levels have done. changed. A lot higher. And like your relationship with control or risk, I'll lump all these together, even though we had them separate here, where you're like, honestly, ever, ever since we found out we were first pregnant with Drew, it is this gradual process of realizing how little you can

control everything from the health of the pregnancy to the way the delivery goes, to how you give birth, to what they're into, to who they make friends with, to. But like, it's like humbling. And you're like, dang, that is, we used to be able to walk through life, picking things a la carte, you know, more for ourselves of like, yeah, we can do this. And I have agency over that. And with this idea of, like, kids being their own person, you just lose some of that, you know what I'm saying?

Mm-hmm. I would say our faith has changed in really great ways because you realize how humbling parenting is, I feel like, for me, was a catalyst that, and also in the early days I was so worn out. Like, we just needed to take the kids to Sunday school. Now I would sit there and, like, thank goodness the kids are being taken care of, and I'm sitting there in the quiet silence.

sometimes not being tugged at to now you realize that they listen to the things that are said on Sunday and then they ask you about them and it's like leads to some really beautiful conversations that's changed I think relationships with your parents change talk about the letter I wrote to my dad often of you get so caught up with how frustrated you were with your parents for doing X, Y, and Z. But what about the things they did right? You know what I'm saying? It's like, There's more of an empathy and a gratitude of, freak, this really is hard. There's a lot that you've got to balance as a parent.

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in any stance, and any whatever it may be, because you don't really have to, like, voice it, say it, share it, be it. And then all of a sudden you have these little kids, and they start asking you questions and they start asking you to teach them and they start saying what's right and what's wrong what's black and what's white and what's all of these things and you're teaching them and exposing them to the world and I think one of the hardest things for me that did change is you have to very quickly to a certain extent figure out where you stand in life on all these things and now you to teach them and pass them on or pass on uncertainty, which we've done too, because we don't know. And it just, it's a really quick way to be like, oh, yeah, well, what do I believe here?

What do I think? What do I care about? You just made me think about how marriage, thank goodness for it, is like a really immediate mirror to have in life. Like you get feedback immediately. If I do something wrong, thank goodness. You'll usually like give me feedback on that. And it's a short-term mirror in that sense. Kids, it's a little daunting and a great challenge.

They're like a long, it's like a delayed mirror of like, okay, the habits that I have now will be mirrored by my kids five, 10, 15 years from now. You know what I'm saying? So it's like there's less immediate feedback, but the long-term reflection of it is there. And it's like, to your point, it's like I should be intentional with how I'm living my life, you know? I remember we used to sleep until 8 o'clock. That changed, our daily scheduling routine and our sleep patterns. Sleep until 8, and then we wake up and watch whatever morning show and then we, you know, cook eggs.

and now we pretty much put the kid down, have some time together. We started waking up way earlier with kids because of the tasks that need to be done. So it's all good changes though. Would you change any of the changes? No. Nothing.

Yeah. Me neither. I love it. It's like it can be a heavy responsibility, but it's a good one, you know? It's good. I think it's the greatest thing we've ever done in our life. I agree.

I agree. Thank goodness for kids. I'm curious if we miss anything, though. We missed a lot. I mean, we had a big old list. Sean has to get somewhere. So we're going to just, we kind of consolidated, which is good. That's not true.

It's good. And if you would like to share any of things that have changed in your life as you've been listening to this, please comment down below. And if you made it this far, give the show a thumbs up if you're on YouTube or Spotify and give it a rating. if you can on whatever platform. And I don't know if we'll do a nostalgia series next or what, but you've been like the nostalgia.

I do. I love going through down memory lane. That gymnastics conversation was really fun to have your first day. It was really fun. That was really good. I don't think we spend enough time as we learned from our family reunion. Someone said we should spend more time remembering. That's good.

Lastly, the things that have changed the most probably me as a father, as a person, as a man. Say, you've probably changed, you think? I'm a different, I'm a completely different person. Do you think I'm a different person? You change as an individual for the better. Yeah. Thanks for listening. That's all we got.

I'm Andrew. I'm sure. Until next time.