Couple Things with Shawn and Andrew - 51 Dr. Josh and Dr. Chelsea Axe

Episode Date: February 3, 2021

This week on Couple Things, we sat down with our good friends Josh and Chelsea Axe. We dove into a ton of topics including: Their purpose in life A strong definition of love How to keep priorities straight Relearning your spouse is through different seasons Their home birth experience How the 4 of us workout Chelsea's Blog Creating a family schedule Rhythms that help their marriage And of course, Joshs' new book, "Ancient Remedies" Follow Josh on Instagram here: https://www.instagram.com/drjoshaxe/ Follow Chelsea on Instagram here: https://www.instagram.com/drchelseaaxe/ And don't forget to check out Josh's book "Ancient Remedies" here: https://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Remedies-Essential-Powerful-Medicine/dp/0316496456 If you haven’t yet, please rate Couple Things and subscribe to hear more. Follow us on Instagram to keep the conversation going at https://www.instagram.com/couplething...​ And if you have suggestions/recommendations for the show, send us your ideas in a video format – we might just choose yours! Email us at [e-mail]. We're supported by the following companies that we love! Check them out below: Butcher Box ▶ Go to butcherbox.com/couple to order your first box and get a free game-day bundle. That’s ButcherBox.com/couple to claim this special today! Releifband ▶ Head over to https://reliefband.com​ and use the promo code EASTFAM to received 20% plus FREE shipping and a no questions asked 30-day money-back guarantee! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What's up everybody? Welcome back to Couple Things with Sean and Andrew. This is a podcast all about couples and the things they go through. I'm a solo act today doing this introduction, but we recorded this episode a couple weeks. A couple weeks. ago before Sean caught COVID. That's why she's not sitting here next to me doing this introduction. And today we sit down with a couple who we have been friends with for four or five years now. We actually consider them some of our best friends. And that's Dr. Josh and Chelsea acts. And they are an outstanding couple, to be honest with you. We talk about a lot of different topics, such as how they met and ultimately were married within one year's time and how and why they decided to pursue such an aggressive timeline. Chelsea talks about her experience doing a home birth with her daughter, Arwin, who's just a couple months younger than our daughter Drew.

And we also talk about what it looks like to be extremely generous with your time. They're both amazingly generous people and selfless with their time. But how do they balance that with also preserving time to love each other and build their own relationship? So I think you're in for a real treat. There's a lot of wisdom shared here. If you want to find out more about Dr. Josh Axe and Dr. Chelsea Axe, we will link both of their information in the show notes down below, including Dr. Axe's new.

book called Ancient Remedies, which just came out this week. And it's all about natural healing. So you can check that out. We'll link that as well. Before we jump into the show, please give the show a rating and subscribe to it on whatever platform you're listening on. And let's go ahead and jump into this one with Josh and Chelsea Axe. Wow, what an honor to be sitting here with doctors. Josh and Chelsea Axe. Maybe the longest preface we've ever had to an interview, but that makes sense. We're glad you guys could come and sit down with us. It's only taken how long. You guys should have been the first ones. Literally a year ago.

And then everybody got pregnant. Everybody started having kids. Right. But we made it here. I want to start the interview with the only question that makes sense asking. What is the biggest marital argument you guys? Oh, Oh, my gosh.

Here we go. Wow. Fun fact, we were on vacation with them. And Andrew asked this question. Never, ever a good question to ask. I realize that after I ask because all I see is Josh and Chelsea look at each other. and then I realized that that biggest argument that a couple has never gets really no it's never resolved so we got to relive that and then you got to relive yours oh yeah we ours has been

updated we definitely have a new one and it's wow we've just we've agreed that it will never be brought back up yeah yeah um no we're we're honestly just thankful that you guys run the show and thankful to have you guys as friends I think looking back over the past three years you're Probably the two people we spent, we've known for three years or four. Yeah, I'd say about, yeah, three or four. Probably the couple we've spent the most amount of time with. Yeah, because we had like a good year before.

When we went to Europe, we went to Europe. That was like the starting point of our friendship. And we had a good year before we got pregnant. Yep. And then the year pregnant. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

I want to jump to a real question. You both are maybe the most, clear have the clear clearest cut visions of the purpose as to why you're here on earth like why are you guys here most intentional and what your calling is I would love to hear

your both of your guys' perspective on A how you find that calling per se and then how you support each other with that calling can we start there? Yeah that's heavy that's a casual question. Yeah good. Okay. Yeah. Well I yeah so I think for Chelsea and I, and one of the things that made me so attracted to Chelsea early on was she was just a person to me that was, she was so loving, so beautiful. In fact, I'll just share this. Like one of the things I, I had prayed for Chelsea for years that God would send me just an awesome life. And I prayed. I said, God, would you send me somebody who is physically breathtaking, mentally stimulating and spiritually just on fire for you, just somebody who's, you know, just that would help me and support me growing somebody I could really connect deeply with and do things that are really purposeful.

And so I think we both believe this early on. There's, you know, we're called to do a lot of things. But I think the three big things we really focus on is we're called to love, love God, love people, and make earth more like heaven, you know. So if there's a piece of trash on the ground, that's, you know, there's not trash in heaven. So it's like we're picking that up. You know, we believe that if there's poverty, we're called to help with poverty and injustice and all those sort of things.

So I think for us, that's, I think that's what we're all called to do is have a deeper intimate relationship with God, deeper intimate relationship with God, deeper relationship with each other and then also change the world for good and I think when we're talking about purpose you know I think we realize that I believe every single person on the planet God has given very unique gifts to like there's no one on earth like any individual and so you know I think that our calling is to figure out what our greatest gifts are and then use those gifts coupled with what's the opportunity that God has laid before you and then change the world in that positive way.

So I think that's in terms of how I think about it and anything else. No, I would completely agree. I think a lot of times it's so easy to overcomplicate it or put so much pressure as far as like, what is my calling? And it's this huge thing that we're like, you know, we're searching for in like this daily, monthly, whatever basis as far as like goals or what can I achieve to get this ultimate calling when really it's a day-to-day thing. So like every single day, how can I love God today?

How can I love people better today? And then, you know, again, what in the opportunity, like you said, what's my opportunity? What is my sphere of influence today? And how can I make the greatest impact with the gifts and the opportunities that I have, like, in this moment? And it's good to have, you know, like, long term, like greater perspective as far as, you know, year, months, the goals and different things like that. But I think a lot of times we miss then, like, at the end of the day, you know, you could check so many things out the list as far as making an impact that day. I think we miss the little things and I think the little things are the little steps that gets you to the big things overall and like that's how you start.

Yeah, I think I think this too, like one of the things I think we really aligned with too like the actual definition of love because I think this is where it's because for me to say love God, love people. For some people and I would say especially in the media like love is this sort of feeling you have for us like love it really isn't a feeling. Love is commitment and love is also this sort of it's sacrificial. love like so for us to have a good marriage it's very much like okay i'm sacrificing the things that i feel like doing right now in order to make chelsea's day better and to support her and being a

better person like when i think too about loving people i think it's this combination of and this is so true like with kids it's a combination of of nourishing them with kindness and love but also challenging them to say you know what you're called to do greater things so i think that too like when we're loving people, it's not always like, you're doing great, you know, a lot. I mean, you guys know us. It's very much like, we are also, yeah, I know. It's also very much like with our, you know, with our, you know, with our daughter, with our friends, with our, it's like, but also like, we know God has created you for more. So challenging them to, uh, you know, do, do, you know, do what they're called to do. So that's a really interesting nuance there, because I think a lot of

people when they think sacrifice it's like oh let me just be a dormant essentially right but like there is definitely sacrifice and challenging and dealing with the repercussions of like of that challenge like it's because it's not easy right it's one of the things and i talk about a lot about you guys that we respect so much is you guys have that amazing christian foundation within your marriage but you have such a strong foundation and belief that the way you confront people is we we've even laughed about it because you do it in such a way that everybody hears it and they're like oh oh yeah okay sure and i feel like that's a it's a talent because with your conviction it's just it's like a no-brainer i don't i don't know how to say that well we talk about how both of you speak such almost sharp truth and honesty

but in such a loving way that it's like received really well um So kudos to you. I am curious, though. Thanks, guys. I am curious. Something that we have talked about for it, and especially prepping for this interview, was you see, we see firsthand your marriage

and how your guys' faith plays such a strong role in that. But you guys have built a brand that uses you guys. It's not like you guys sit in the back burner and you're away from it. It truly uses who you are. And you guys have built a multi-hundred. I keep calling it a billion dollar industry or company. It pretty much is. And I'm curious how that transfers because within business, there's always sacrifice.

And how have you been able to maintain your morals and your beliefs and your marriage in such a strong way and still build something so successful? Yeah. So, you know, I think for us, if we're talking, you know, our company, ancient nutrition, I think for us, you know, we've had been really blessed and had a lot of success. number one because of God, you know, and because of those principles. And I think, too, like, for us, like, the way we run our business, like, I just want our employees to be blessed. And we really mean that. In fact, like, one of the things we do is our company now is we have a leadership development program where we read a book together a month and we have people do personal growth and leadership exercises. And I tell my team, hey, whether you're working at our company or, hey,

if you decide to leave in a year and you get a, you know, a different or a better opportunity, hey, I want you to be, you know, I want you to go over there and, you know, change the world and bless your company and people. So I think for us, like we are very much focused on our team first. Like we want to see our team fulfilling their, so it's not all about us. You know, we want to see them fulfilling their dreams. We want to see them blessed financially. We want to see them, you know, doing what they're called to do, walking within their purpose. And so we're really focused on helping them do that. And I think when you serve employees like that or your team like that, and also for me, like I've never been one of those bosses that's sort of focused on,

hey, I'm a, you know, I'm the founder. I'm higher up in the organizational hierarchy. Like my, our focus is really like team. Like my, I'm there to serve the team. Like more like they're not there to serve me. I'm there to serve them and help them fulfill their dreams and be the best they can be. So I think just like we are in relationships, same thing. I'm nourishing them.

I'm challenging them to be the best they can be. And I think that's why we've, you know, had good success. And I think we're also focused on one of the words I think of as, like excellence like anything we create anything we do we want to be the best in the world at it and that's one of the things you know we've brought up about you guys and like one of the things we love about you guys is you guys are so focused on excellence like whether you guys are doing a podcast obviously you're you know gymnastics and dancing career and your career in football and just even you know the interviews you've done like you guys do things with such excellence

so i think that's another thing in business that is probably one of the top two or three things that create success is just saying we want to be the best in the world not just to say just because we feel like that's what we're called to do we were discussing that when asked like chelsea what's a good workout routine that i could do to accomplish this goal or josh i'm i'm not feeling good and what should i do to get back healthy both of you spend such an unbelievable amount of effort and time granted you're both experts in it so maybe that makes it slightly easier but still i've I've never really seen another couple be so generous with their time like you guys both are. I'm curious what the balance is when you're giving to the company, when you're giving to each other,

when you're giving to your child, when you're giving to all these other people, how do you, like, how do you guys navigate being generous in that sense while also saving energy and thought and time for your spouse? because that's, I just, as soon as we had Drew, I was like, I don't know, like, you're on your own kind of, Sean, but I was like, we, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're definitely not the best at it. We're still learning and growing in it for sure. I would say the thing that we've learned, I've learned, especially in the last, you know, eight months since having Arwen is having your priorities right and, like, set and knowing what they are.

and in like in knowing them like having them penciled in as far as like you can say my priority is this but does your lifestyle and your actions actually show that's your priority and I think that's different for a lot of people it's like this is my priority my spouse is my priority you know my family is my priority okay okay but what does your time actually show is your priority right because a lot of times that can look different so I think being able to map out like your day to day and say, okay, if this is my priority, this is what it needs to look like. And then with whatever time is left, then you're able, you know, at that point, your cup is full, right? I think when you have your priorities correct, you're able to go into the rest of your day

or the rest of your time with a fuller cup. So you actually have more to give. It's actually like the synergistic type thing rather than, you know, giving it to it last when you're already like depleted. I feel like then it pulls, whereas like if you actually, you know, again, keep your priorities correct and whatever it's opposite it's a synergistic type way where often you have more to give important to other things would you yeah i would agree i would and the exact word that popped in my head too was priorities and so i just think for us like we we're really conscious of it's you know it's god and

it's it's it's uh chelsea and i's relationship our marriage and then it's arwin and it's our family and it's our close friends and so really focusing on on that first and i can say for chelsea I mean, every morning, she wakes up and, you know, she spends time with God sometime in the morning. A lot of times now, you know, Arwin's down for a nap and she's, you know, got her Bible. She's reading. And so anyways, you know, I think for us is like, yeah, just sort of knowing what your priorities are. And this, just checking with yourself and making sure, okay, am I walking in those priorities and am I giving them the time that they deserve? I think that's, you know.

Yeah, and we're not perfect by any means. There are definitely days and weeks where, you know, we don't have that, especially you and and I have that time or, you know, I mean, welcome to being carried. Yeah, I'm going to say more so in this season now, you know, I think, you know, the first three months of having a newborn and the whole, obviously, that's definitely the most challenging, you know. I think, too, recognizing there are seasons. Yeah, you pass each other. High five in the hallway.

Yeah, you pass each other in the hallway. Like, wait, who are you? Okay. I'll see you tomorrow night. But I think, you know, recognizing there are seasons too. Yeah, for sure. And giving yourself grace for the season that you're in. but then also being able to recognize when the shift in season comes and then like restrategizing

reprioritizing because you know yeah and i would say the other thing too is chelso and i think feel and i'll speak for myself with this but you know i feel i i know what my purpose and calling is and so i feel like i need to use that so every morning like i kind of have this thing where in the morning it's like when the morning when the day so i spend my time with god i get my workout in and get those things done and so one of the things you were kind of asking Andrew is like, I have people ask me for health plans all the time. You know, my mom is like, hey, would you make a, you know, a health plan for your aunt who has this decision constantly. Yeah. I know I personally ask you for like 50. And every time they're like, whoa, how did you do this? I know. I personally get texts from 50 people all the time.

You know, Josh. I'm like, no, no, I don't. And anytime I can't, I'm happy to. But for me, like, so here's my thought with this. You know, when I, um, growing up, my mom had some really serious health issues. And I had some doctors who worked with me in helping create her health plan that literally saved her life and changed her life. My mom's in her late 60s now. She's running. She can water ski. She brought my niece and nephew to Disney World for like 10 hours. So she's like doing great living her dream. But I think about that same thing. If somebody wouldn't have taken the time to invest in helping me create a health plan for her that took them hours, like I don't know if my mom would be here today. So that being said, like when I have people who need a health

plan like it's sort of that golden rule do unto others as you have them to do unto you like i trying to create the best plan that you know so if somebody has hypothyroidism i will lay out a detailed plan of what to not eat what to eat for breakfast lunch dinner what to have for exact supplements the essential oils to use the lifestyle practice to figure out exactly what they need to to reverse or hear that condition or if it's PCOS or you know or cancer autoimmune disease so anyways i just and what i learned too is when my mom had a serious health diagnosis says she was kind of like a deer in the headlights a lot of times there's so much information out there people don't want to do so i try to make it super practical of here's exactly what you should do

for your food for your workouts for all that stuff and so that's sort of the and that comes back to you know again your daily of love god love people of people yeah right i mean that's ultimately like in that day this is your sphere of influence this is opportunity that you've been given this isn't you know where you can serve in this capacity today and one of the things i'll say it's just so amazing about again just talking about one with you guys too it's like i we love this the the parable for of the talents in the bible when it talks about you know god gave one person one talent one two one five and in one person just buried it saying i'm not going to use my talent and the other two you know god said hey i'm going to give you more now i'm going to bless you i'm going to give you

more influence because you were you know because you were good with what i gave you and that's one of the things i see with you guys you guys have such incredible influence you guys bless so many people with teaching them good principles of marriage and family. And when you're faithful with those things, God's like, hey, let me bless you with more. Not to say you don't go through seasons of hardship, right? And we've had things of ups and downs. But I think that's a reason.

Thanks. The door was opened to Arwen. So I want to talk a little bit about babies. With Andrew and I, we have a lot of friends who are pregnant, getting ready to have babies. You've talked to my sister-in-law multiple times. But one thing that I always tell people is there's this interesting phase I feel like you go through. It's almost like you just got married.

Because when I first married, Andrew, it's a completely different person, not necessarily for the worst or for the better than you were dating just because it's in marriage. Things change. You have to learn who your spouse is and how to live with them and how to do everything. you have a baby it's the same thing your relationship and your marriage completely changes whether you want it to or not it's just there's another human being living with you and it pulls you in all these different directions i'm curious how having arwin affected your guys's relationship at first and how you navigated through that process or how you're navigating through that process That's an ongoing process.

Yeah. I don't know if that's ever going to end. Initially, I think it was just, it was harder. I mean, you know. Having a newborn, it's all consuming. Yes. And then on top of your healing, like your hormones are crazy. Yes.

That is a real thing. It's like you hear about it. Until you go through it, it's a totally different thing. Until you find yourself standing in the hallway bawling for no reason. And your husband's looking at you like, what? I don't watch you guys talking about. You showered laugh. Before you're like, no, no, you guys are always great.

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. I mean, so that, I mean, for the first little bit, it's like, I mean, it kind of what you said, it's see you in the hallway type thing. Because, again, it's the mom, you're kind of, at least for, I did breastfeeding or whatever. So the lot of it, especially as a newborn, is on you as far as you can only feed them. You know, there's only. So, yeah.

They want mom. They want mom. They're like, dad, what are you doing here? So your nipples do anything. No? Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

I'll say one thing too. Like my respect for, I mean, women was already sky high, but like knowing and actually experiencing like the amount of time and effort, just the birth process. First off, you know, what a miraculous, awesome experience, you know, spiritual experience. And just being able to experience that together, but also seeing, you know, from, from, you know, through pregnancy, through, you know, you know, everything else. like just the amount of time and effort and complete love and just the amount of patience. That's one of the words that comes to me too, like thinking about the amount of patience Chelsea

has had, just the amount of love she's given. And I know it's the same with you, Sean. It's just, it's just, it's incredible. Yeah, I was very blessed, especially with Josh. He gave me a lot of grace and knowing and didn't have the same expectations of no, I wasn't going to be cleaning the house like, you know, like I was or wasn't going to be making dinner, different things like that. He's like, he's very patient with me.

And knowing that all of a sudden, my whole life got flipped upside down as far as what was being required of me and even stepping up in areas where he necessarily hadn't had to before. Like all of a sudden, you know, he was doing like all the dishes. You know, he was doing all the cleaning and he was bringing me my meals because I was busy feeding another human being giving her her meals. And yeah, so that changed immensely. But yeah, you were great. And I was very blessed that you were, you know, you have that mentality and perspective to give me the grace

to be able to do that and allow me to without feeling guilty or, you know, shameful because I think that's easy, especially for moms, it's like trying to do it all, like, I'm giving myself all here, but then I feel empty and, you know. I feel like the hardest part for us is something we agreed to right before we had Drew was no matter what we have to always remember that we are each other's number one. Yeah. And she's our number one together. And I think I think the hardest thing for us to go through in those first.

months, however many they were, you know, 12 and counting, is that priority. Yeah. Like you guys were talking about earlier, every once in a while you have a hard day where it's like, I love my child so much that you accidentally flip-flop the situation. You put your daughter ahead of your husband or your spouse. And I think that that constant challenge of reminding yourself, my husband comes first because if he does, that'll be better for our daughter can sometimes get tricky. And especially in those first months when you're spending so much time with your baby,

it's hard to make that that priority. Yeah. He's like no comment moving out. I love Chelsea. The decision to do a home birth. Josh was talking about the miraculous, you know, act of birthing. And you decided to take it like a notch up and just do the home birth. I'm very envious.

I'm very envious. I wish I had that much courage. Oh, you run to. Yeah. Whatever you all decide. Talk about, we'll run over here and how, you know, we're, you know, two doors down. You'll be my doula. Yeah.

I'm all for it. Yeah. Talk about why that was an important decision for you to make and then how the experience was. If you don't mind. Oh, gosh. You know, I mean, it's one of those things where I think anything that anyone, a woman, a woman decides for her is great. So it's never.

I don't think it's ever about this is better or this is not as good. You know, when you're talking homebirth versus hospital versus birth centers, there's so many options. And I think every option is different for every woman. So let me just preface it all by saying, I'm not saying this is the best way or this is the only way. This is what everyone should do. Although I had an amazing experience and I wouldn't change any of it. And I really hope to replay it again for future kids.

I loved having a home birth. um being able to do all my appointments in our living room um labor itself you know labored at home um birthed the baby arwin in our yeah in a tub in our bathroom and within 10 minutes was laying in our bed at home with her um there was just so much peace and control and i don't know it was it was amazing sorry it was amazing it was amazing sorry I had some of it um yeah I don't know for me at least just hospital settings everything like that that just there's just a level of stress that you know kind of goes on you the light do the different people it's not your home you know just anytime

you're in your home so being able to do all that at the house for me was just it was awesome I loved it I liked being in control knowing what to expect. I liked being in control of, you know, all the decisions that were being made. Our midwife team was incredible. You know, I think a lot of people when they think homebirth, they're like, oh, they're just going to go out back in, you know, squat. And the baby's going to come out and they're going to come back in. And, you know, it's kind of like that foreign, like, you know, what if something goes wrong?

I think those are a lot of the questions that people come up. But it's like, no, you know, we have a midwife, you have a full team, fully trained in everything you know they have all the things that um you know like at oxygen they had different things if like they were need to intervene in any way we already mapped out a route to the hospital we knew exactly how many minutes it would take to get there we knew the doctor you know different things like that so it's not like this free for all where you know something were to happen like there's plans in place um i mean yeah yeah well i think one of the things to remember about homeburst too is people have done homebursts i mean that was the norm up until yeah a hundred years of

ago. I mean, so people have been doing home birth since the beginning of time. And I do think it's great. Whatever anybody decides where to have it, hey, we totally respect that. But I think for us, the choices, Chelsea said, was less stress. There's no doubt that if you go into a hospital environment, and I've been into many hospitals over the years and treated past patients, and that's the sort of thing and found that there's just a level of stress and a lot of times fear in just the way that a lot of times our conventional medical system operates. And so for us, the biggest thing I can say is we were just so stress-free. It was such a relaxing environment. And I think if somebody realizes, hey, if you've got a good midwife, like usually, I mean, there's just, there's typically, I think,

a lot less stress. It's just more relaxing than the average. And so for us, it was right. I will say, I had a little stress because here's what Chelsea did. I wonder if you're going to say that. Chelsea, we're kind of timing of these women in the world. Exactly. I'm very competitive. I like to win. Well, and she doesn't like the inconvenience people. That's true as well. And so like we're timing these contractions and I'm like, okay, she's at like five minutes apart. We were watching the movie. You've seen the movie multiplicity? Yeah.

Anyways, it's hilarious. And so we were watching the movie with Chelsea and her mom. And Chelsea's like, I'm going to go in the bedroom. You know, I'm having a few contractions. And so she was in there. And then anyways, I'm like watching the timer. And I'm like, okay, how far you part five minutes? I'm like, okay, when it gets to like four and a half, midwife wanted us to call her.

Yeah. And so Chelsea's like, okay, we're at five. And then I'm checking. I'm like, hey, I think you're down around four. We need to call the midwife. And she's like, you're not doing that right. And I'm like, no, I'm pretty sure I'm doing right. She's like, no, give me the phone.

I'm like, okay. And then she starts timing it. And in my head, I'm not too bad with time. And I'm like, gosh, this is, you know, these seem pretty close. And finally, this is like two hours later. I'm like, Chelsea, can I, can I see this? And I'm like, babe, this is like two minutes. And she's like, oh, no, I think it's five.

And I'm like, she's not in her right mind right now. And so I call her midwife, Marianne, call her. They get there. And like 30 minutes later, we've, you know, Owen is born. Yeah. You're like blowing up the bathtub while Chelsea's like pushing. Oh, yeah.

The other thing is, too, I broke off the handle of the tub. So then. And we were going to use the handle to fill the birth tub. So I had to like tape it to where it actually water came out. And that anyways, it was a whole. It was amazing. And also, didn't you blow up a tub like manually too? So you're like,

oh, then I had to blow it up manually. Oh my gosh. I was like sweating. And then my favorite part is your poor mom is upstairs listening to all this with the dogs. She is. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh. I think it was a day after our one was born. We came over and Chelsea was just like chilling on the couch. Yeah, I'm good. It was a couple of hours. Yeah, because she was born at like 1.30 in the morning and y'all were there out next We were both sitting at home like, oh, yeah, can we go see her? Oh, yeah, crazy.

Babies, man. Oh, yeah. Josh, who do you think is the tougher workout partner, Chelsea or Sean? The tougher workout partner? Yeah. Man, that is hard. Yeah. It really depends what your definition of tougher would be.

I mean, they are both. Honestly, I'm afraid to say because I'm afraid what the other one will do to me. I'll say this about other six. So what in terms of creating a really challenging workout. Yeah. Chelsea is one of the, I mean, I don't know anybody.

She will destroy you. In terms of these two, both in terms of competitiveness and, you know, and I mean, I will say this. I'm going to give Sean this one on. Hey,

Sean, you maybe shouldn't do that. And she's kind of like, I'm going to go and prove you wrong. I'm going to dominate this. I'm going to dominate this. I just remember the first time. You and I worked out at Chelsea.

I've literally, I've done a lot of hard workouts. You know, I've been through college football, professional football, thrown up one time ever from a workout. Our first time, I was literally in the fetal position feeling nauseous for like a half hour after. It was so brutal. And she was doing more weight than me the whole time. Was that her butt workout?

Yeah. Yes. At boost. I remember I'm coming home from that. Because I remember, because we had worked out together yet. We had worked out. And I knew. I like to work out with you.

I remember that. I remember sending him being like, I can't be the first to work out with her. You have to. So you worked out with her a couple of times. You went to yoga. That's right. And he was like telling me about it. I'm like, okay, I think I can do this.

Oh, my gosh. I'm so intimidated. Same. So funny. Oh, gosh. The best, though, was when you and I coached Andrew together during his crossfit, open workout. Yeah, I remember. Can I tell you the story?

Oh, yeah. So I'm at the gym doing like this competitive workout. And I said, around other people. I thought, you know what? It'll be great to have Sean and Chelsea here for motivation. And sure thing, in the middle of the workout, both of them are just ripping me, like, yelling at me, full throttle. What are you doing? Again.

Talking to the people who were at the gym during it after, they're like, I can't believe that those girls were yelling at you like that. Like, they were just scarred. They're like, oh, my gosh, that was so intense. Hey, you got a good time. You did. So you talk about the homebirth and also workouts too on your blog, right? Yeah. Everything.

I think, yeah, yeah, all things. Dr. ChelseaX.com? Sweet. I always love whenever you're your question answers on Instagram. I'm always so fascinated. Like, oh, okay. I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

I didn't know that. Chelsea's documented your experience well on Instagram and the blog. I have sent more people to the lady comp because of you. Then. It's a great, great tool. Yeah. Everybody. Can you explain?

natural birth control natural birth control device kind of tells you when you're fertile when you're not so you can either use it to avoid pregnancy or to age you and getting pregnant well it might be time for number two for you guys yeah you guys ready let's master the whole sleep thing on our end let me catch up on that for a little bit before we even ventured on that that's the most daunting part about like thinking about more kids is when you finally get your sleep back yeah it's like Oh, do I really want to give my sleep half again? Yeah. I'm still waiting for the getting the sleep back part.

Like someday. Even when you do, you still will never sleep past 6.30. True. Yeah. Yeah. One of the things that I've learned from you guys that I feel like has been really good is literally we were talking about priorities earlier, literally scheduling out, like putting on your like tangible schedule. hey this is date night or this is from 4 p.m. on it's boys night you know what I'm saying and so when someone asked you hey can we have a meeting at 5 p.m. no I'm actually busy and Josh you've had

you've mentored me in so many aspects of life I will give credit to you Chelsea I asked Josh the other day I said I want someone who can mentor me in praying and he said Chelsea you should you should talk to Chelsea about that so yeah that's pretty good credit but um What rhythms do you guys have that help you have a healthy marriage? Is there monthly rhythms, weekly rhythms, anything that you guys do consistently to just kind of get on the same page and mesh well? Yeah, so I'll say this and then I'll also throw in the disclaimer of the last eight months have definitely been a little different.

They've been different. Okay. So throwing in the seasonality thing. But I think, you know, ever since we were, you know, we got married. done, we've done a lot of date nights. And not to say we've always been perfect. There's been months where we've missed. But for the most part, we've done pretty consistent date nights. And then also, and so we tend to do, I guess it's always dependent. A lot of times it was a Thursday night. Sometimes it was other nights. But that's, and then we do a lot of trips together.

I mean, that's another thing. I think scheduling these great vacations. And so, you know, we would try and do a big trip every year somewhere like the Caribbean or we've been to Europe twice which was just magical and amazing and fantastic and so I think and then we also have a place in Florida we go I think a lot of people in the South go down to seaside slash 30A and so we're down there real consistently and going out to and the other thing is and we haven't done this as recently the past year but we've gone through seasons of marriage we've worked out a lot together too and that was a great I mean that was I mean I think that's you know and I think so in disclaimer well one thing there too When I first started working, this is probably our second year,

because I kind of was teaching Chelsea more how to work out the first year. The second year, she is so into perfect form when you're working out, which now I'm so grateful for. But at the time, like, I'd be in the middle of a set working out hard. And then it went from me coaching her to her coaching me. And she's like, hey, straighten up, you know, like, make sure your back is straight. Hey, you're swaying when you do. And I'm like, I remember one time, it was probably hard.

I literally dropped the weight and just had to walk out and just be like, You know, just swallow my ego and just anyways, do you remember that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. There have been a couple times where you haven't walked away. Yeah, there was probably a couple times where I was like, hey, believe me a lot, you know, sort of leave me alone here. We went through a season where we all worked out together and the boys had to work out separately.

I remember that. Oh, good times. They had to work out on the other side of the gym. That's right. So I think that's a good rhythm too. But I think for us, our rhythm is. you know first of we both say to each other too

when we get out of rhythm we're like gosh we feel like we need to get back in rhythm because I think we're just wired that way but we both definitely start off time in the morning with God and we're in taking care of our bodies and we really that's been consistent since we've been married and then also time together

but then also time with other great couples like we've spent a lot of time with you two have spent I mean the past three years we've definitely spent probably twice as much time with you guys than any other couples or friends with and we have a few others too we we see sometimes but uh yeah yeah i would say too though um like knowing how the other one like what it takes to make them feel connected like what their love language type thing is um because my love language versus like what his like what i when i feel

connected is totally different so i think knowing what the other person needs and then you know it's self-sacrifice in order to give that and then get that in return um and making time for that specific thing so like for me like I need to have like really deep conversation so this so even if like we're going out to dinner and doing all the like trips and everything if we're not having like a deep conversation where I feel like I'm can get to like this place where I'm like really vulnerable I don't feel like we're connected. It's like we can do all this like superficial stuff and it's like we're getting all this like face time but like my internal state of like I feel really like connected one with you right now isn't there. Can you make it a little easier on the guy?

no you know what i mean i remember our first couple years of marriage i really was like this is you know i was like i'm you know this is a challenge you know i mean having a deep conversations all the time and and the truth is i do like deep conversations but chelsea likes them all the time and a lot and so it's you know but uh but i do think i mean it's so important knowing the other person's love language yeah well like to play devil's advocate in that because of that, like, that's how I feel connected. I don't need to go out to dinner. Like, I don't need to go on these trips.

Like, we can sit on the couch and have, like, eye contact and just have a really deep conversation. Like, I'm so full after that. And that's one of the things that attracted to me, Chelsea, at first, too, is somebody that has, you know, so much depth to her and likes to talk about the deep things in life and has, you know, if you ask her, I mean, if you ask her, her opinion on something, it's not a one-word answer. It's a very, it's, again, it's a deep and meaningful.

and impactful. And I've grown as, you know, I've grown so much just in my spirituality, my personal life, my character from being around Chelsea because she is so deep, she has such great character. That's kind of iron sharpens iron principle. And so it's, yeah. I feel like one good event that shows how intentional and, you know, thoughtful you guys are is the timeline of when you met to when you got married, which was how long? six months engaged six months yeah six months dating six months engaged yeah so about one year exactly we were married yeah how love that like what do you accredit that to both of you i think i think knowing what we wanted in a spouse and so for me again it wasn't this feeling like now again

had strong feelings that came with it but but more so it was like okay it was those things i mentioned earlier i'm number one looking for a woman who is um loves god you know she had she she and she wants to continue to grow in her relationship with God. Number two, she's, we have a lot of the same values. I know, like, hey, in terms of when it comes to Arwin and her health and those decisions, and it comes to, you know, what we believe about, you know, politics and what we believe about, you know, what we want for each other. I mean, all those things, like that thing, like love God, love people, change a world.

like so so i think that um again and the other thing is we shared also values of like we loved health right so obviously we you know um she was a visit you know in school to become a doctor when i first met her and and um yeah so i think sharing the same values is a really big deal and also knowing that you're going to grow together but and the other thing is that same thing of like and this is biblical but it's love is not a feeling love is a commitment like i'm committed to chelsea no matter what i mean if she makes mistakes even if i make mistakes even if i make It just seems like we were committed. Yeah, I think we went into dating too.

It was we were dating with the intention of finding someone to marry. It wasn't like a, we're going to date to have fun and just kind of see what happens. Like the very first date that you and I had, we were both kind of went into it and we're like, okay, like let's see if we are actually compatible. And we had like a two, three hour conversation where we hit just about every make or break. I feel like conversation or topic. Oh, yeah. Without like saying we're going to drill each other, we kind of did. But just like, let's figure this out right now.

Like we don't want to waste each other's time. Like we're, you know, I'm looking for a spouse. You're looking for a spouse. Let's see if your spouse material. Like if we line up in these values, I think sometimes a lot of people take a lot of time getting to where they actually discover somebody else's values and like things that are important to them. Yeah. Which I think it's okay to take time to do that.

But at the same time earlier, you know, if you're really wanting, you know, get married or find somebody. having those conversations earlier on, especially if there's something that's really important to you and make your break, it's important. And if you don't know discovering it, you know, and yeah, and making sure you're aligned. So do you think if you take two mature adults, that timeline could work for them? Like two mature adults with the intention. I think shorter. I know plenty of couples who got married in six months and have, or three months and have great marriages. So I think you could, yeah. Yeah, because again, if your values align and you, you know, you,

have you grew the same lifestyle and you talk about all those types of things and you choose each other you know love at that point is a choice it's not like a fleeting feeling so at that point you say okay well i'm choosing you to commit to tie myself with you and i think it's a combination of like this thing where it's like okay we both said this and then you do want to give time to see is that person walking that out so so that gave us enough time that year or even with chelsea i could tell after, you know, a month. But it's like, well, everything she's saying, she lives this. She actually believes that.

Yeah, that's true. Well, and I feel like when you see a lot of people and they're dating, it usually takes them way too long to just uncover and start revealing to the other person who they are. Yep. And for some reason, people are too scared to share what their morals are because they're like, oh, this person is going to leave. Yeah. Which is a waste of time.

Yeah. If you want to date to date, fine. But if you want a date to marry, I love your guys' whole stance on it. And I think if more people uncovered what they actually are looking for, you would not waste so much time. And you'd probably fall in love with people a lot faster. Yeah. Because you're just being you.

Yeah. And not being some random Joe until you uncover who you actually are. Yeah. I don't know if it's because like I'm an old guy now or I've been married. So old. I've been married for like four years. But I do, I do reflect on like our two years of dating and think that was way too long. It was a waste of time.

It was great. The further we get into our relationship, again, it probably comes with experience. But now I'm like, oh, well, three months is enough time. One month is enough time. But I think part of that is maturing maybe. Anyway. Okay. So you're both health experts.

Sean, did you want to go ahead? Okay. I was really curious about this. And we talked about it beforehand. but you guys are doctors you practice eastern medicine is that yeah and I feel like we've lived in a year of pandemic of medical fear and when you watch the news I feel like one side of medicine has been just shoved down your throat. And I've been curious since it goes against your practice, how it's affected you guys emotionally, physically, within your business, within your marriage,

and how you've dealt with the past year since most people have just lived in a year of fear. You know, I think, I think, and just to just sort of divine it too, I do think more of our thoughts are more towards sort of an Eastern medicine. I'll say, when I, used to run my practice full time it was more it was called a functional medicine practice and so it is there are some aspects of western thought that i think are valuable but um you know we really believe in more natural medicine as you're talking about and so that really means you know when it comes to you know a virus or a bacteria or something that we we get exposed to uh on um you know on a yearly basis. My philosophy has always been the very same as Hippocrates, as Ayurvedic medicine,

as Chinese medicine, as biblical medicine in the past. And that is very much on your body heals itself. And so what we always want to do is we want to strengthen the body, because our bodies are incredible. And if you get your body strong enough, your body's able to fight off viruses and other things. And so when you look at what's going on today, when people are more susceptible to different viruses or conditions, it's due to immunodeficiency. which essentially means your immune system is down as weak. And when people are over 70 years old, on average, their immune system can start to get weaker.

And so what should we be doing is strengthen their immune system. I came out with a podcast with Gabe and Rebecca Lyons. You guys have found them on. So I did a podcast with both of them. This was about a year ago. And he interviewed me and Rebecca did. And they said, hey, what would you do right now to fight this virus that's out there today? And I said, here's what I would do.

I would eat this very specific diet that's good for the immune system. chicken broth, ginger herbal tea. You know, I laid out all the foods. Lots of vegetables, these certain berries that are rich in vitamin C, and all the foods that are good for immunity that have been known for thousands of years in ancient Chinese medicine. And I said, this is the diet. I would follow in the supplements I would take are zinc, vitamin D, vitamin C, and then I

would do herbals like elderberry, echinacea, astragalus, and ginger. And so anyways, and I got all this criticism for it of people saying, how could you say that because this virus might be different and all this and i'm like listen this these are principles that don't change that's the other thing our medical system today conventional it's changing one week they'll say this is good another week they'll change it these principles i'm talking about they are set in stone and it's just true there are things you can do it's like if you eat vegetables versus cotton candy one is better than the other like we know it but but but not until there's so all that being said you know now recently they're coming out saying well vitamin d actually

is, you know, might be good for this and zinc might be good for this. So anyways, I think our philosophy is very much on, we make decisions based on principles, not what the latest, you know, study says, because they're actually ever changing and they're very biased. If you look at pharmaceutical companies today, they're making money off of these things. So they want them to show and say a certain thing. So and the other thing is we really also just really believe, I would say too, and I love to hear Chelsea's thoughts on this too, but is let's look at the fruit. This is a biblical. principle, Jesus said, by their fruit, you will recognize them. So I think, hey, healthy people, people that have really good health. That's who I tend to listen to versus if somebody hasn't had

good health, they haven't gotten good results with people. Why would I listen to them? And the people I know that are the healthiest live by these principles. And so that's why we, you know, we live by those principles and teach them ourselves. Yeah, I think one of the hard things this year, again, is what you said is that a lot of what they've pushed, majority of it's so fear-based. Yeah. And that's something we never, or we don't endorse and we don't ever want a promoter on anybody.

When you're making a decision, you don't ever want it to be because you're afraid. Like you need to be empowered with, you know, the education, with what's truth. You know, you need to know your options, all these things.

But it should never be made in a position of being manipulated by fear, right? It's not saying you're never afraid, but it's not getting. giving fear this place of influence where it's actually deciding and making those decisions for you because fear is not truth right it's not truth love is all those different things um so i think that's been the one of the most frustrating things is because everyone is in the state of panic and fear and they're just it just keeps it's like this positive feedback cycle that just

keeps growing and growing and growing and how do you get off the hamster wheel um yeah so i think being able to take a step back and say okay what is truth well this is how the body was created the body was created has been getting over viruses and bacteria and it actually needs those for health for since you were born since you came out of the womb that's how your immune system how does your immune system actually work what does it look like okay well how do these things come into effect and being up to actually logically lay out all the factors and I think that's that's been frustrating is that hasn't been done people haven't looked at it that way It's been just whatever the media is, you know, pushing or whatever I heard on social media,

somebody tweeted this. So, oh, my gosh, it's all freak out and go by toilet paper. You know? Exactly. Yeah. I mean, that's what's been frustrating. I think for us is, I feel like it just, it's even been able, people haven't been able to think. Yeah.

And I think one of the things Chelsea and I always try and do is, and she said something that I thought was brilliant. It's you want to step back and also look at things from a big picture perspective. Like, think about this. Like, if. we're talking about the Bible, there's no doubt anybody could say our medical system today, the conventional system is full of striking fear in people. Well, the Bible says God is love and the opposite of fear is actually love. And so you have this system that is all based on fear

and manipulation, which isn't healthy. Here's the other thing. When you look at the way that this virus may have affected society today, people aren't considering it's like you should look at how many lives are being lost that's so important, but also how are people being affected on the other side the amount of the suicide rates i just read an article that came out last week based on a study showing kids depression has gone up tremendously because wearing masks they're not interacting how that's actually going to weaken their immune systems there's so anyways i think that's one of the bigger issues today too is people have not had a big picture perspective about hey how we make decisions about closing businesses what that means for people so anyways i don't want to be political

but just to say too i think that is the that's the weakness of our medical system today. It's very much based off of fear. It's based off of bias studies. And it's not big picture thinking about, hey, what's really the best for the health, health, health of everybody long term. That is actually something we've talked about a lot, the psychological effects of everything that's happened this past year. We were on a plane not too long ago. And we saw an elderly man have a panic attack. Just. Yeah. And you, I was talking to Andrew. I was like, you have to sympathize with him that our world is so scary, not because it's supposed to be, but I would have a panic attack too. And it just made us really sad that the psychological effects of everything going on is

huge. Yeah. So you mentioned principles that never changed that have been used for thousands of years. I think that ties in nicely to your most recent book, Ancient Remedies. You've written book on keto diet you've written essential essential oils ancient medicine i'd love for you to just talk about this book if you don't mind yeah so you know i uh this is the book i'm the most proud of in fact we had dr oz write an endorsement who he rarely writes them and then we had sean he's here right right in endorsement fun fact that's how we met was long long story when i was training for the 2012 olympics yeah i had a nutritionist that i swore by the one the one book she told me to read was eat dirt and I remember like thinking about I knew your name and fast forward we got

introduced and I was like wait I know him yeah on a side now before we get in this too and then I went up and introduced myself at a coffee shop because we you know we are we have the same are we a brother and sister PR people too and I and Andrew gave me the most evil he's like he was literally like dude what do you do he's like I'm trying to enjoy a nice coffee with my wife and this guy's coming up Saying hi. Are you Sean Johnson? Who are you, dude? I was like, wait, no, babe, babe, that's Josh.

And I was on the other side of the coffee show. I'm like, I can't believe he's doing this right now. Oh my gosh, like, I'm going to sit over here. And I'm like, just last week, they were like, you should do a collab. So I'm like, hey, we just, you know, so. Yeah. So anyway, so, but I'm so, I'm excited for people to read this book. We've already got incredible feedback from people saying it was one of the most, you know,

one of the easiest to follow, but also most advanced at the same. time. So the book really goes through how to use food as medicine. And so whether somebody's looking to balance their hormones naturally, lose weight, boost their energy, boost their immune system, any of those things that goes through it. So, you know, and I think a few things, we try to make it really, like it's both advanced nutrition. So it goes into TCM and biblical medicine and Irobata, all of those forms of ancient medicine and these principles that have stood the test of time, but then also we go through and we have a personalized diet in there. So one of the things that I've taught for years that's a form of ancient medicine is, is that there's not one perfect

diet for everybody. Like a lot of times people, I think we've probably all experience, have you ever had a friend who's done a diet and they've seen great results and you've tried the same thing? And you're like, this is not working for me. It's because everybody is very, very unique in their body type and the way they were created. And so this has really the five diet types based off ancient medicine. So you can take a quiz in the book and find out which diet is best for you. And then I have meal plans in there. We have recipes. And the recipes are all really healthy but also really practical. So we have like chocolate chip cookies only rather than white and wheat flour. We're using, you know, almond flour and oat flour. We've got pancakes. We've got all kinds of stuff.

Their recipes are the best. We could speak from personal experience. Yes. Fire. They're so good. And then we also, I have a reference guide in the back. So if anybody's struggling with anything, again, whether it's hypothyroidism, adrenal fatigue, you know, infertility, I go through exactly what to do for foods to eat, foods to eat, the supplements to take, essential was the whole thing. So that's all kind of laid out in there. And anyways, it's the book I'm most proud of. And I think if people pick it up and people can go on, you know, Amazon.com or Barnes &over,

local bookstore and get it. But I think they're going to be really just, you know, impressed with a book. I'm excited for people to check it out. One thing I love about both of you is you're both so rigid with your diets, I would say, but you leave a lot of room for dessert too. Like both of you love dessert, but you just know how to do it and navigate it correctly. You got us hooked on dessert. We were never dessert people.

Now we eat dessert with every meal. So I'll say this. I would say, actually, when we first got married, I was a little more rigid. I would say we just, we know what ingredients, we know what works well with our bodies too. So like we still eat chicken parmesan, which we actually have in the book. We have lasagna. We have, but we just use really clean and healthy ingredients that we pick up at whole foods or the health food store, that sort of thing too. And I'll mention too, like, so like even in the book, like Sean, like when we first met, like you do really well on a certain type of diet.

It's actually different than I actually all of us are wired a little differently. And so like Sean's like, you know, orange foods like pumpkin, sweet potato, butternut squash is like a perfect food for her, you know, in any ways. And so it's important that people are eating based on their unique makeup or else sometimes they don't, you know, they don't see the best results if they're not eating that way. So I would like to get your guys insights. A lot of people have health goals that may be ever changing. Maybe they attain them. Maybe they don't. How have you guys supported each other with your different diets that you have?

And how do you, what advice do you have for someone who, you know, picks up ancient remedies with a certain goal and they need to help from their spouse, you know? So, so one, I think if anything, we've, we've realized that eating healthy is important, but like being super strict is not good for you. You know, being stressing about food all the time, being. And so that's one of the things I think we've helped each other with is like, hey, you know what?

Like, when we went to Italy, like, we had gelato. we had pizza we had the pasta like we do those things so anyways we don't eat per i actually believe a lot of people make themselves sick emotionally because they over worry or have anxiety about what they eat versus knowing hey this is the unique way i made these foods are better than me i'm just going to try and get more of these foods and get a few of these out just being a little bit more flexible like that i think people are healthier for it so if anything i think we really help keep each other in check in that hey it's okay to have a vacation we don't call it cheap meal okay that's what it is but it's okay for you hey to have a vacation meal and

and splurge a little bit, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So I think, I mean, Chelsea definitely moved me more in that direction. I'll say that too. Yeah. She was very rigid, you know. When we first got married.

Yeah. That was hard. I'm a lot more. I'm a lot more. Yeah. Now you're more fun. Exactly. So.

And I'll say this too. One of the things, too, just as a takeaway for some food stuff for people. Like, I think we're under the mentality too. Like, nobody needs to be perfect. Like, if people just thought about this, If you just change breakfast, that's one third of your diet. So if people don't know what to do, where to start, just start doing like a superfood smoothie in the morning, three simple ingredients, one cup of like almond milk or coconut milk, something like that, one scoop of a collagen protein and one cup of like blueberries or some sort of fruit. If you just did that smoothie for breakfast, bam, that goes a long way having something healthy there.

So anyways, I think sometimes less is more with people. I think, hey, just try and get more vegetables, fruits, wild organic meat. You do that and just change breakfast. Boom, you're going to, you're going to go a long way. Or we can fry up 50 quail eggs. Or, wow. Duck eggs. We were in seaside and you and I are both pregnant.

And we made the most food I've ever seen in my entire life. It was like five cookie sheets full of duck eggs. As well as waffles. We had waffles. And omelets. And bacon. And there was like, we had the beef. beef bacon. Remember we had the beef bacon? That stuff is amazing. I remember, I remember there's like 20 eggs left and everybody looked at me like, well, Andrew, you got to fix it off.

I got no chance here. You did eat a lot of that. I bet you had 10. You may have a dozen. You have a lot of as well as five egg almonds. Yeah. I don't know if I've been had a duck egg since. I don't think I could. Yeah. I can still smell it. Yeah, fried coconut oil. Closing question. What is the best piece of advice you have been given or would give about relationships. Oh, no, you put us on the spot. I got two thoughts. Go for it. I don't have any yet. So two things. So one is this principle, and I think it relates to couples,

you become who you surround yourself with. I think being around other couples that are, you know, love God, love people, and want to change the world, like that's what we look for in couples. And so that's why we spend time with you guys, you know, it's why we have just a couple other friends we spend time with. We're really selective about who we spend our time with because we know, like, we rub off on each other, right? And I think we also sharpen each other. And so I can tell you guys, like, when we go on vacation with you or we're doing a date night or you guys are coming over in our sweats and like hanging out, like I always leave feeling more inspired and excited because

you guys are people of action. You guys are people that love people so well. Family is such a priority for you that it makes us say, hey, we want to continue to do these things in our family. When we hear you guys around a Trevor, you guys have a family tradition, like that inspires us. Like we start doing some of those things. So I think being around like being really conscious of being around other couples who are, again, love God, love people, want to change the world. Like that's, I think that's so important. And the other thing is, I don't know if I'm going to take your thing. So do you want to say it?

And then I'll say my last thing. So one of the things Chelsea has said is, I think it's important to focus on just. I'll let you go. Because I know what you're going to say. Do you? I don't think it was what you're going to say. Okay. You go ahead, though.

Okay. One of the big things that we got when we were in premarital counseling, but I loved, him and I are both very competitive. And so we compete at, you know, we're on the same team, but at the same time we both like to win. So one of the things that was told to us was make every day a competition of who can out serve the other. And I think going into every day with like that mentality or even at the end of the day,

if you've done one thing or you know if you ever have a choice where I can put a I can hang up his shirts for him like do I want to I could do a million other things but it's going to take me three extra minutes I can do that to serve him today even if he is no idea he's not aware you know little things like that I think that goes a long way in marriage and I think those add up and build over time and it also just creates um you know a different like I don't say atmosphere but just like you know a sense of mentality of you know perspective of the relationship, even at the end of the day of, you know, what that looks like. Is that what you were going to say? Really? Yeah. Oh, wow. When I think back on the past three years with you guys, it's fun to think that, well, we were with, we were with you when I got a call to sign with the Redskins.

That was so awesome. In New York. Greatest breakfast ever. It was a fantastic breakfast. We've vacationed together. We've bought this house because of you. We've started businesses. We've ended businesses.

Had babies. Yeah, we had babies, the whole thing. So that's only three years. I'm excited for what the future holds. We're thankful for you guys. Thanks for. Yeah, we love you guys. Thanks for giving us the time.

And yeah, we love you too.